I saw Leighton Lillie testing on the Snake/Clearwater when we went to Lewiston in mid May for our motocross race, It won't be long before Garrett and Spencer will be up with you guys defending his win! GOOD LUCK WE WILL BE PULLING FOR ALL OF YOU TO HAVE A SAFE WEEKEND!
Hi Eric, really glad you and your buddy didn't get hurt. You and I (USN-RT ) know very well how fast sh*t can get out of control on the water. Hope you can get stuff sorted in time for your first trials. Cool vid, cheers.
Tough luck for sure , but testing reveals the weak links , better now than later. The Rivnuts and bead rolled aluminum panels as suggested below sound like the way to go. Thanks for the update and good luck !
I hate it when something that you are sure will work suddenly fails and leaves you in the position you find yourself in now. Your capable and smart enough to come up with a solution I am 100% sure! Regroup, re-engineer, and come out with a better, safer and more capable boat in the end! As Always, May God Bless you and yours! 😇
Damn, that sucks! Try Rivnuts along the upper rim of the hull. The then press break a 1" flange on the new wave break and screw it inplace, that way you can remove the new wave break when needed. Bead rolling a pattern like someone else suggested would give added strength.
Riv nut to a folded lower side. With a slight break on the diagonal up to rear wing part. And carbon fibre wrap it so you won’t need to wait for paint to dry. Keep up the content. Hit us up next time in the South Island NZ for some river boating.
I would recommend putting a slight bend on top of the deflectors. A bend will deflect the water out rather the over the engine compartment. At those speeds could possibly benefit turns. Just a thought
Yea a gourney lip at the top. Adds strength and will affect aero as well. A hem at the bottom would add serious strength too keeping any waviness out. But I know my break wouldn't fold .080 that tight for a full hem.
Pop rivets with large washers inside n out, and a generous helping of automotive sealant/ panel adhesive. It'll no longer be removable, not in one piece anyway, but it won't come flying off either.
That's a bit shit really, BUT at least you found out before the racing season. Other that that inconvenience,the boat seems to handle very well and certainly has the grunt. At some stage it may be worth installing a self bailer, so at least you can get rid of any water in the boat. BTW what stops the splashes going down the trumpets?
How is such a thin piece of anything going to hold up with tremendous vibrations and wind/water load? It needs some sort of reinforcement built into the parts making it structural at least along the top edge. When it's all reworked, aluminum may be the choice material to use still needing some support and good fastener points. The CF panel breaking should not be seen as a problem....it's another fun challenge to be overcome.
Any chance of getting someone to put your aluminum on a brake and give you a 1/2-3/4” bend top and bottom to keep the side skirt rigid? I’m sure you have already considered it. Just curious what factors prevent it from happening. Glad you kept it afloat long enough to get it out of the water!
Could the problem with the steering be that you have the 2 rear pulleys for the steering at the same point, I see that the cables are making a triangle instead of being in line 90deg from the side of the hull, should each pulley be in line with each attachment point on the pump steer arm
Steering is related to hull design, only thing the steering wheel does is pivot the nozzle, it’s the same concept with Jetski’s, some hulls like the seadoo T3R have a much easier time entering a turn at 70+mph, they just lay over and go, more aggressive hulls that rely on chines/ lifting strakes (much like theses jet boats) have much better turning grip & control, but require much more force to get the hull to lay over and bite in at higher speeds. There’s positives and negatives to all these designs.
@@hunterj2253 yes I understand that, what I'm saying is the geometry of the cables could be causing erratic movement of the nozzle. The cable at the back of the nozzle arm is pulling at a different angle than the front.
What about 1/4 carbon fiber? There’s gotta be a way, does 5200 cure to carbon fiber? I glued float pods on my Jon boat using 5200 and have smashed it on rocks without issues
I have been working on a problem too. I know that 1/3 plus 1/3 plus 1/3 equals 1. But when I follow the order of operations and do my division before my adding and subtracting I end up with .99. But how do you explain that .99 equals 1?
What is that machine called, what you can make thin metal stronger, not dimple die, but what leaves metal entact. You could ride JollyRoger907, put youtube logo and sqeuras on that sheet and still bolt it on.
The carbon fiber panels need a core... So laminated on both sides. You could get some foam core and make stringers. Epoxy to the existing panels and then add a few layers of carbon fibre. They should not be floppy. Same goes for the aluminium panels. Good luck! Your boat rips!
Lmao!! The faces you're making are cracking me up!! 😂 I can't tell if you're about to shit yourself or maybe be a little "premature". If you're picking up what I'm putting down. 😉 Hahahaha!! But holy shit! Bean's right though. You were going so fast you blew the carbon fiber out of it. 🤣🤣
@@JollyRoger907 lol!! Well, if anyone knew how to handle G force it's you. Now I'll be watching fighter pilots while they're pulling those insane G forces and be wondering if they're making the same faces behind their tinted lenses. 🤣🤣
Just put tabs in corners and ever 12 to 18 inch with zues fitting or pop rivits... you can do it with the carbon or the aluminum... and why you gotta strip the boat to do sides??
You got lucky. Good catch to get it back up on step and back to the trailer. Personally I think aluminium is the best way to go for the sides. You can save weight with the wind screen and rear spoiler. The little amount of weight saved isn't going to make a difference in that beast anyways.
Dammit man! We don’t need you breaking and rebuilding for more content! Glad it wasn’t much worst! Small angle iron tacked top and bottom on the sides for rigidity? Maybe bolt it down? Idunno, brainstorming with you.
Just tack weld it down through there and then weld small sections spread way out and let it cool. Then start working on fabbing another piece and when it's cooled for a good while weld a little more. Just take you time and everything will work out. Keep moving forward👍
You may not know this. Exposed carbon filaments on cut, drilled or sanded edges will eat Aluminium especially in a wet environment that will support Galvanic Corrosion. Carbon and Aluminium are 'Dissimilar Metals' so they absolutely hate each other and this form of Corrosion is rapid. Water in the joint not dried out since last test might be what caused the failure.
Thinkin’ prescribed corners of a race course, will make the wishy-wash lines of a open water course, it a different animal to drive… Maybe look at somebody that does aluminum roofing, trim, gutters, that could do you some beaded panels? Later, when y’all got time, use them as molds to duplicate in carbon…
Dam!!!!! We're off grid this weekend and keeping tabs on forest fires at home with the Elon musk. Seen this and had to watch....... if I could get across the border I'd be there to help ya buddy! Nicole has gotta step up to the plate if she wants to boat first race !
Hi Brian. I'm from Tamworth NSW Australia. I'm involved with a Astronomy group that features monthly leatchers with professors other scientists. One of our lecturers was with NASA's pilot of the Rosetta mission that piloted the landing craft on to the astoid P56 that malfunctioned on landing due to contaminated gun power that space radiation contaminated causing failure to detonate on landing. 🔭📡🌌🚀🛰
Man I wish I was closer. Id bead roll or bent up something that looks good and solves issues. Dude works at spaceX and lives in Washington? Bet him or you both know a friend. Jimmy Shane? Recently moved to Texas to be near the kids. Bianca Bonncinini? His ex. I understand her family is big boat racing up there.
Btw check out a tool called Hem-pro. Jacob Poel makes them. Saves us dirt guys building bodies tons of time and work. And makes our work look better. Some of those panels you need a little strength on would benefit big time.
Man that sucks watching that carbon fiber go to crap on you brother. Not cheep stuff. Yes sir, get some aluminum, make it removable and call it a day. That 907 superboat freekin flies brother... those other superboats got their work cut out for themselves this year. You have a winning boat right there.
@@JollyRoger907 Right a shell that's in line with the weight of blasting water coming at it. As thin and floppy as that panel was it was never going to have a good time there.
I can definitely build you carbon panels that will stay on and be stronger than what you have. Also easily removable. I want to help if you looking for help.
@JollyRoger907 oh well that changes things....well if you ever decide you want to keep the carbon and have some down time I'm willing to help. I can send you my IG or email if you interested
@JollyRoger907 Take you back to 1993-94. Graduated high school and I entered the work force. Thought I'd be able to do 30 and out then find a part time job and retire. Turns I was fucking wrong!
Bead roll a ribbed pattern into the aluminum panels. That will stiffen the panel and add a nice visual touch at the same time
Great idea, I just don’t have the time or resources
100%
I saw Leighton Lillie testing on the Snake/Clearwater when we went to Lewiston in mid May for our motocross race, It won't be long before Garrett and Spencer will be up with you guys defending his win! GOOD LUCK WE WILL BE PULLING FOR ALL OF YOU TO HAVE A SAFE WEEKEND!
Thank you! See you at the track?
Hi Eric, really glad you and your buddy didn't get hurt. You and I (USN-RT ) know very well how fast sh*t can get out of control on the water. Hope you can get stuff sorted in time for your first trials. Cool vid, cheers.
It can go sideways in a heartbeat for sure!
Tough luck for sure , but testing reveals the weak links , better now than later. The Rivnuts and bead rolled aluminum panels as suggested below sound like the way to go. Thanks for the update and good luck !
Glad it happened testing & not race day
I hate it when something that you are sure will work suddenly fails and leaves you in the position you find yourself in now. Your capable and smart enough to come up with a solution I am 100% sure! Regroup, re-engineer, and come out with a better, safer and more capable boat in the end! As Always, May God Bless you and yours! 😇
At least it wasn’t race day!
@@JollyRoger907 For Sure!
Damn, that sucks! Try Rivnuts along the upper rim of the hull. The then press break a 1" flange on the new wave break and screw it inplace, that way you can remove the new wave break when needed. Bead rolling a pattern like someone else suggested would give added strength.
I would but I don’t have access to a brake that quick in 6 days to being in the track
You can see The adrenaline. going through your veins. he looks calm, but you look well. Intense? That's speed? You were ripping, man. GODSPEED
Yeah it was pretty intense! Almost lost the 907
Eric and Tina y'all rock! Love the channel and content! Peace
Thank you very much!
Riv nut to a folded lower side. With a slight break on the diagonal up to rear wing part. And carbon fibre wrap it so you won’t need to wait for paint to dry. Keep up the content. Hit us up next time in the South Island NZ for some river boating.
Only issue is I don’t have access to a brake that large enough on short notice.
What was that you disconnected at 1:25? Power to starter? Looked like some sort of special connector.
Quick connect to a 16 volt starter battery on the trailer.
I would recommend putting a slight bend on top of the deflectors. A bend will deflect the water out rather the over the engine compartment. At those speeds could possibly benefit turns. Just a thought
Yea a gourney lip at the top. Adds strength and will affect aero as well. A hem at the bottom would add serious strength too keeping any waviness out. But I know my break wouldn't fold .080 that tight for a full hem.
I hear ya!
Pop rivets with large washers inside n out, and a generous helping of automotive sealant/ panel adhesive. It'll no longer be removable, not in one piece anyway, but it won't come flying off either.
The sealant is the issue!!!
That's a bit shit really, BUT at least you found out before the racing season. Other that that inconvenience,the boat seems to handle very well and certainly has the grunt.
At some stage it may be worth installing a self bailer, so at least you can get rid of any water in the boat.
BTW what stops the splashes going down the trumpets?
I’m waiting to see how the spray is on track.
Damn! Hope you're able to get both boats done.
It’s gonna be tight!
the launch is so nice and smooth... and flat.. it does not jump out of the water.. hits and goes flat...
Bingo!
How is such a thin piece of anything going to hold up with tremendous vibrations and wind/water load? It needs some sort of reinforcement built into the parts making it structural at least along the top edge. When it's all reworked, aluminum may be the choice material to use still needing some support and good fastener points. The CF panel breaking should not be seen as a problem....it's another fun challenge to be overcome.
I definitely underestimated the wind load on the forward section!
My favorite Bean quote: "a gallon per zip zip."
That was a good one lol
Good luck Eric. 🤞
Thanks! Luck needed at this point
OOOOOHHHHHHHHH wow so close! LOL Glad you got it back to land!
It was crazy close!
Glad you noticed and got it back to the ramp in time holy shit 👍👍
Had about 2 seconds to spare!
Any chance of getting someone to put your aluminum on a brake and give you a 1/2-3/4” bend top and bottom to keep the side skirt rigid? I’m sure you have already considered it. Just curious what factors prevent it from happening.
Glad you kept it afloat long enough to get it out of the water!
Out of time at this point
re your fastening dilemma: would pop riveting be an option to fasten the sides and back ?
I don’t have time at this point.
Could the problem with the steering be that you have the 2 rear pulleys for the steering at the same point, I see that the cables are making a triangle instead of being in line 90deg from the side of the hull, should each pulley be in line with each attachment point on the pump steer arm
Steering is related to hull design, only thing the steering wheel does is pivot the nozzle, it’s the same concept with Jetski’s, some hulls like the seadoo T3R have a much easier time entering a turn at 70+mph, they just lay over and go, more aggressive hulls that rely on chines/ lifting strakes (much like theses jet boats) have much better turning grip & control, but require much more force to get the hull to lay over and bite in at higher speeds. There’s positives and negatives to all these designs.
@@hunterj2253 yes I understand that, what I'm saying is the geometry of the cables could be causing erratic movement of the nozzle. The cable at the back of the nozzle arm is pulling at a different angle than the front.
I actually think it’s my fins.
I do like the removable sides!! Hope u can rework it to keep that feature.. glad ur ok
It’s soooo handy!
piano hinge and mount the side panel like you had it before. The hinge comes in many sizes and thickness that is light weight and very strong.
Isdue is keeping it water tight
You probably have addressed this question before. But what fuel are you using?
Methanol
What about 1/4 carbon fiber? There’s gotta be a way, does 5200 cure to carbon fiber? I glued float pods on my Jon boat using 5200 and have smashed it on rocks without issues
My issue is time. I have 6 days to be race ready and have no carbon on hand
I have been working on a problem too. I know that 1/3 plus 1/3 plus 1/3 equals 1. But when I follow the order of operations and do my division before my adding and subtracting I end up with .99. But how do you explain that .99 equals 1?
Lol 🤷🏻♂️
Why not use nut serts and screw the sides in place so there removable?
Was trying to make it super easy/quick.
Why does the boat have to come all apart? Just cause u got water over the sides
Decided not to
Bummer Eric. Maybe you could birdcage sides and rear like a sports racer or aircraft. Ridgid small tubing frame with rivet on skin.
Thanks Peter
Dude! Your intro with the land jump….that’s the yacht club at SL!
Right on
What is that machine called, what you can make thin metal stronger, not dimple die, but what leaves metal entact. You could ride JollyRoger907, put youtube logo and sqeuras on that sheet and still bolt it on.
Bead roller?
The carbon fiber panels need a core... So laminated on both sides. You could get some foam core and make stringers. Epoxy to the existing panels and then add a few layers of carbon fibre.
They should not be floppy. Same goes for the aluminium panels.
Good luck! Your boat rips!
I’ve used foam core on the fin before. It definitely makes them stiffer!
Lmao!! The faces you're making are cracking me up!! 😂 I can't tell if you're about to shit yourself or maybe be a little "premature". If you're picking up what I'm putting down. 😉 Hahahaha!!
But holy shit! Bean's right though. You were going so fast you blew the carbon fiber out of it. 🤣🤣
It’s my G-pulling focused face 🤣
@@JollyRoger907 lol!! Well, if anyone knew how to handle G force it's you. Now I'll be watching fighter pilots while they're pulling those insane G forces and be wondering if they're making the same faces behind their tinted lenses. 🤣🤣
Just put tabs in corners and ever 12 to 18 inch with zues fitting or pop rivits... you can do it with the carbon or the aluminum... and why you gotta strip the boat to do sides??
Kinda what we did last season on the 146
You got lucky. Good catch to get it back up on step and back to the trailer. Personally I think aluminium is the best way to go for the sides. You can save weight with the wind screen and rear spoiler. The little amount of weight saved isn't going to make a difference in that beast anyways.
We sure did! Aluminum going on today!
What about Zeus fasteners? Maybe? And what keeping the splash out of your face?
Waiting to see the spray on an actual track
I can't see...🤓
hold my glasses. 🙈😁😁😁
Lol yup
Dammit man!
We don’t need you breaking and rebuilding for more content!
Glad it wasn’t much worst!
Small angle iron tacked top and bottom on the sides for rigidity? Maybe bolt it down? Idunno, brainstorming with you.
Lol trust me, I wish that didn’t happen!
@@JollyRoger907 I know, I nearly have a Doctorate in Smartass😆
You will make it better than before!
Just tack weld it down through there and then weld small sections spread way out and let it cool. Then start working on fabbing another piece and when it's cooled for a good while weld a little more. Just take you time and everything will work out. Keep moving forward👍
Exaxtky my plan! Thank you
Maybe Aluminum with a piano hinge to fold it down for work room.
Not a bad idea there!
You may not know this.
Exposed carbon filaments on cut, drilled or sanded edges will eat Aluminium especially in a wet environment that will support Galvanic Corrosion.
Carbon and Aluminium are 'Dissimilar Metals' so they absolutely hate each other and this form of Corrosion is rapid.
Water in the joint not dried out since last test might be what caused the failure.
Sure do, but that’s not what caused this.
Thinkin’ prescribed corners of a race course, will make the wishy-wash lines of a open water course, it a different animal to drive…
Maybe look at somebody that does aluminum roofing, trim, gutters, that could do you some beaded panels? Later, when y’all got time, use them as molds to duplicate in carbon…
Track will be different for sure. Just trying to establish a baseline
U can't rivet it on ?
Yes, water-tight is a different story
@@JollyRoger907 sealant and rivet
Cut the the part, make a press break on the bottom to match the railing, and bolt it in that way. Then it’s removable.
Unfortunately don’t have the time or resources
@@JollyRoger907 crap. If I was local I’d happily help. Unfortunately I’m decidedly not local (Sweden).
Suddenly very glad that boat launches like God kicked it in the ass.
For sure! Anger issues saved me!
Dam!!!!! We're off grid this weekend and keeping tabs on forest fires at home with the Elon musk. Seen this and had to watch....... if I could get across the border I'd be there to help ya buddy! Nicole has gotta step up to the plate if she wants to boat first race !
It’s gonna be close!
Challenges, you'll make the monster work.
Yes we will. Let’s gooooo
Hi Brian.
I'm from Tamworth NSW Australia.
I'm involved with a Astronomy group that features monthly leatchers with professors other scientists.
One of our lecturers was with NASA's pilot of the Rosetta mission that piloted the landing craft on to the astoid P56 that malfunctioned on landing due to contaminated gun power that space radiation contaminated causing failure to detonate on landing.
🔭📡🌌🚀🛰
Right on!
Man I wish I was closer. Id bead roll or bent up something that looks good and solves issues. Dude works at spaceX and lives in Washington? Bet him or you both know a friend. Jimmy Shane? Recently moved to Texas to be near the kids. Bianca Bonncinini? His ex. I understand her family is big boat racing up there.
Btw check out a tool called Hem-pro. Jacob Poel makes them. Saves us dirt guys building bodies tons of time and work. And makes our work look better. Some of those panels you need a little strength on would benefit big time.
I wish I had a brake! He lives in SoCal, relocating to Texas to their site down there
I wish I was somewhere nearby so I could help you with the boats. At least help with the dumb grunt part of the job that needs done.
Thanks Mike! Appreciate that
You can do it just head down tail up with small sleeps.
Thank you!
Thanks God!!! They didn't sink!!!
No doubt!
Man that sucks watching that carbon fiber go to crap on you brother. Not cheep stuff. Yes sir, get some aluminum, make it removable and call it a day. That 907 superboat freekin flies brother... those other superboats got their work cut out for themselves this year. You have a winning boat right there.
Thanks Rick. Aluminum it is!
Dang glad you didn’t sink. That could have been a lot worse
Oh for sure! How you guys been?
@@JollyRoger907 doing well, just plugging away on the v8 turbo ski. Progress is slow because I have to redo a lot of things to accommodate the turbo
keep going
Yes sir! No quitting!!!
9:39 tip of hat in the background there is a being
🤷🏻♂️
That looks like way too thin a laminate to be in the position it's in.
It’s just a shell.
@@JollyRoger907 Right a shell that's in line with the weight of blasting water coming at it. As thin and floppy as that panel was it was never going to have a good time there.
Didn't sink, and learned a weak point. This is how science and development advances. Better to know now as opposed to mid event.
Exactly! Thsnks that!
Eric, you've got an Australian built engine that you are happy with, now go order an Australian built hull. End of problem mate
Na mate, I love building my own boats!
I can definitely build you carbon panels that will stay on and be stronger than what you have. Also easily removable. I want to help if you looking for help.
I appreciate that, my issue is it’s gotta be race ready in 6 days!
@JollyRoger907 oh well that changes things....well if you ever decide you want to keep the carbon and have some down time I'm willing to help. I can send you my IG or email if you interested
Plenty of carbon fenders for the bikes and things, it won't go to waste. Bummer it didn't work though...
Extenuating circumstances justify a postponement. I mean, "Git'r done! yee Yee!
Lol right!
Waiting for stuff it buying a drag car and going to sick summer lol
Enjoy!!!
Better it happened now rather than a race weekend
Exactly!!!
There's not much in life that is easy.
So true!
@JollyRoger907 Take you back to 1993-94. Graduated high school and I entered the work force. Thought I'd be able to do 30 and out then find a part time job and retire. Turns I was fucking wrong!
More is learnt with failure then copying
For sure. Look at NASA & Spacex lol
Plastic
Sides?
Zee locks.faseners.
Quick & ezy gust a twist of the risst.
They use them on a lot of racing applications to fasten penals to frame work...
Exactky what my neighbor said!