@@jackspradt1562 I think what you are missing, is the fact Jeremy said "I haven't tried it".. I can't speak for Collin, but maybe he was responding that he did... Maybe before being judgemental next time, try understanding we are all just here to help and learn from each other...
If you want to make it a beautiful blue. Put the knife in an oven set at 250 degrees for 10 minutes. Apply your first coat of cold blue while the knife is still warm. Buff it out with 4 ought steel wool lightly . Repeat the process 3 times and then put a light coat of oil on it and wipe it down. It will have a beautiful blue sheen to it when you get done. I do all of my guns this way when I refinish them. Great video. Keep up the good work.
Nice effect. I have found that heating the metal just warm and then using the blue will get a better finish. Just take the chill out of the metal and it also drys faster. Good job there!
I blued my first knife. I applied 8 coats. I used a foam brush for the application. It turned out super black and consistent. One thing I must mention is make sure your first coat is evenly applied because there was one spot where I put some on and unintentionally let it sit a bit before I continued and there was a semi-noticeable line where I hesitated. Other than that I was really happy with how it turned out. Also, putting a light coat of mineral oil on it right after your final coat dries seems to help the initial bluing application last a little longer. Great video, and I love how the knife turned out!
I've been playing around with some cold bluing for the past year and definitely found CLEAN AF & multiple coats is the key to evenness. Oh, warming up the steel a tad with my heat gun seem to help too.
Remember to use some oil depending on the steel. My friend was doing some stuff on his gun, forgot to oil afterwards, and it was covered in surface rust by the next weekend.
Go to brownells. Purchase Mark lee express brown #2 and bottle of OXPHO-BLUE®. Need a heat gun. Apply 3 coats of the brown as directed. Than as many coats of the oxpho to get the desired blue color. Then you will have something that will last.
I think gunblued blade is safe for food if you wash it properly because patina on the blade is just a layer of oxides very similiar to that you can get from acid etch, mustard, vinegar etc. Or from regular knife use. I personally force patina with Coca-Cola due to its avaliability & low reactivity. Gives patina with colours from gray to black depending on soaking time. Though it definetely takes longer to force patina & you better boil it first to let all bubbles go out for more even coating.
When using cold blue, you actually bond seleniumdioxide to the surface of the steel. It is not the same as a classic etch where you speed up the natural oxidising process of the steel. After putting on the cold blue, don't neutralize immediately. Just put on a coat of WD40 and leave it for 24 hours before cleanup. That leaves a deep, strong and durable finish.
Hm, interesting. I did a quick search through Google & all information I could gather is either commercial or controversial. Is there any source where I can read more about this process (with chemical explanation & formulas)?
Hey just want to let you know love the videos keep them coming and keep up the good work also when something is labeled corrosive that doesn't necessarily mean that it can't be used around food because if you were to have Dawn dish soap in a bigger quantity than 5gallon bucket it would have to be labeled corrosive also I do believe and that is used around food all time
One thing that helped my get an even finish, is to mix that little bottle of bluing solution with water in a glass. Then submerge the knife in the mixture and watch the magic. I’ve also seen people put the mixture in a spray bottle and get good results that way.
Love your work and channel. Agree with the idea of a random texture to preserve the look of the finished knife. I'm going to try this, for sure! Can u comment on Andy Roy's (Fiddleback Outpost) "spalted steel" finish.....
Love the video! I used this on my first blade. Then, like you’ve said, experiment, I wanted a really black finish. So instead of following the directions and repeating that process a gazillion times, I tried soaking the blade in the blue. Experiment failed. That stuff are holes into the blade. The surface wasn’t any darker either. It looked cool, but just destroyed the metal. Lesson learned and move on to the next blade.
Check out a black oxide(there are a few, but most are $18 for a few oz..), like Caswells(a pint makes a gallon)... just don't mix it all at once, just use what you need, it goes bad once it hits metal... After dipping, wash off with water, then use a penetrating oil to seal it in...
Looks great and while I appreciate the long high production videos, I enjoy you putting out content (I always learn something), and I really don't mind a "lower production" video. This was great.
ALWAYS wash this stuff off with water after, the chemical can seep out of the metal and into your hands after you take off your gloves so do be careful with this stuff, anyway great video and thanks for sharing your ways with us, take care and happy crafting! -Tim
Perma blue works alittle better that's stuffs more for touch ups.... and next bottle you should dump some out to use or use a different q tip every time you dip to avoid weakening the strength due to Cross contamination
Great video! I have not been really fired up about the needle scaler finish until now but I really like it blued. Do you use the scaler before or after heat treat? Also, one problem I have is the rounding off of the spine. Could you do a video on your process for doing that? Both with and without scales. Thanks!
Normally, after wipe it with gun blue, you have to use some oil for the finish. The gun blue soaked up the oil and the result is much better, more black. You have to lay it in oil and let it soak. But thanks for sharing ✌️👌😉
will it really be unsafe for food? i mean, its not the bluing that remains dark on the steel, but oxidation of some sort? if there was bluing left it would continue eating the steel? I dont know, just my speculations :P
What about food safety though? Is a blued knife good or not to slice food with. I've done a lot of patina and etching with vinegar, and that doesn't worry me, but bluing seems like it could get us real sick. I'm trying to figure out what I what to do with my new carbon kitchen knives.
Cool look. No amount of cold bluing works on stainless steel. I’ve tried almost everything on the market for cold bluing. Black oxide hot dip is the only way, or coating with cerakote etc.
Sharp looking finsh, thanks for sharing! FYI though, I'm fairly certain that cold bluing does not provide any significant corrosion protection. Hot bluing and rust bluing provide some rust protection in conjunction w/oil. Cold blue recreates the color of bluing without creating the black oxide layer. Keep up the good work!
"Blueing" whether "Hot" or "Cold" is very similar to acid etching,,,, it is not "coats" of material you are applying ,,,but basicly fast oxidizing the metal itself (this is why it doesn't work on stainless steel). After you clean it off , the surface is colored metal , not a coat of blueing, this is a common misconception. Hot Blueing is usually a "Casustic Salts" solution heated to about 300°f and the metal part immersed for several minutes, then immediatley cleaned and oiled to to stop the corrosive chemical reaction.
Can anyone tell me what is the active compound of this product? I mean, steel blue is just the commercial name and here in spain we dont have gun shops so im asking to find a similar product in my country. Thanks
I have done it before but there’s some folks who think it’s a bad idea if using something like ferric chloride. I see both sides but not 100% convinced either way. As long as you properly clean the blade after etching there should be no issues.
I like the fact that when your just talking I don't need to put you in 1.25X or 1.5X or the really Sothern boys I have to 1.75X because they talk sooo slow haa haaa
I've tried it on stainless steel, it doesn't work.
Great little knife.
Thanks so much for that feedback! I'll pin your comment to let other know👍
Check Caswell's sight, they have a stainless steel oxide.. It's under metal antiquing
dude, he literally said that @1:10 in -- did you bother to watch or just thought you had to comment?
@@jackspradt1562 I think what you are missing, is the fact Jeremy said "I haven't tried it".. I can't speak for Collin, but maybe he was responding that he did... Maybe before being judgemental next time, try understanding we are all just here to help and learn from each other...
You need caswell stainless black etch. This is gun bluing it's a form of oxide rust... Obviously not going to work on stainless.
Being an outdoorsman...I think this is by far the best finished blade you have done.... and so"SIMPLE"...
hahaha, thank you very much!
If you want to make it a beautiful blue. Put the knife in an oven set at 250 degrees for 10 minutes. Apply your first coat of cold blue while the knife is still warm. Buff it out with 4 ought steel wool lightly . Repeat the process 3 times and then put a light coat of oil on it and wipe it down. It will have a beautiful blue sheen to it when you get done. I do all of my guns this way when I refinish them. Great video. Keep up the good work.
The bluing/sanding brought that knife to a whole new level. Looks great, Jeremy!
That’s a GREAT look. Its always so satisfying when short cuts wind up looking better than the long traditional way.
hahaha thank you! It is satisfying when that happens isn't it? 👍
I would argue this isn't really a shortcut, the oxide cost more takes a little more effort, but you are right in that it last longer & is tougher...
With the surface and the finish it almost looks like painted cast iron I like it.
Cool video.
I like that texture, it reminds me of those old tool boxes from the 50's
Nice effect. I have found that heating the metal just warm and then using the blue will get a better finish. Just take the chill out of the metal and it also drys faster. Good job there!
I blued my first knife. I applied 8 coats. I used a foam brush for the application. It turned out super black and consistent. One thing I must mention is make sure your first coat is evenly applied because there was one spot where I put some on and unintentionally let it sit a bit before I continued and there was a semi-noticeable line where I hesitated. Other than that I was really happy with how it turned out. Also, putting a light coat of mineral oil on it right after your final coat dries seems to help the initial bluing application last a little longer. Great video, and I love how the knife turned out!
I've been playing around with some cold bluing for the past year and definitely found CLEAN AF & multiple coats is the key to evenness. Oh, warming up the steel a tad with my heat gun seem to help too.
Oh great tips! Thank you! 👍
I recently used paste bluing on a santoku myself. Worked really well, and gave it a halfway finished look like the Japanese knives have.
Perfect timing. I’ve been trying to decide whether to put scales on my neck knife or not. Now I know what I’m going to do. Thanks
Beautiful knife and finish Thanks for sharing !
I use this a lot too. Best part is you can always hit it again and renew the finish.
Yeah buddy! Pretty slick way to go. 👍
Pretty cool little shank! I need to get a needle scaler. They make a good texture.
Thanks! Yeah, I really like that needle scaler. Fun to be able to change up a little.
Remember to use some oil depending on the steel. My friend was doing some stuff on his gun, forgot to oil afterwards, and it was covered in surface rust by the next weekend.
Just recently picked up a bottle and am exited to try it! Great vid as always!
I dip my knives in a container full of gun blue to get a even patina. Then repeat after rubbing it with steel wool to get a really dark patina.
Awesome! Thank you for the tips! 🙏
Great Video & Awesomeness thrown your way, for the look of the Knife! I Dig it! Thanks for Sharing! Have A Super Week!.....Gus
Reminds me of the scotchbrite micarta I make. Love that crackled finish.
Go to brownells. Purchase Mark lee express brown #2 and bottle of OXPHO-BLUE®. Need a heat gun. Apply 3 coats of the brown as directed. Than as many coats of the oxpho to get the desired blue color. Then you will have something that will last.
Cool stuff and new ideas, thanks.
Very neat, kinda wondered about this route. Thanks for the video!
You're welcome. 👍
I think gunblued blade is safe for food if you wash it properly because patina on the blade is just a layer of oxides very similiar to that you can get from acid etch, mustard, vinegar etc. Or from regular knife use.
I personally force patina with Coca-Cola due to its avaliability & low reactivity. Gives patina with colours from gray to black depending on soaking time. Though it definetely takes longer to force patina & you better boil it first to let all bubbles go out for more even coating.
Yeah I wondered about that. Something to look into more. That Coke idea is really cool! I've never heard of that before. Cheers! 👍
When using cold blue, you actually bond seleniumdioxide to the surface of the steel. It is not the same as a classic etch where you speed up the natural oxidising process of the steel. After putting on the cold blue, don't neutralize immediately. Just put on a coat of WD40 and leave it for 24 hours before cleanup. That leaves a deep, strong and durable finish.
Hm, interesting. I did a quick search through Google & all information I could gather is either commercial or controversial. Is there any source where I can read more about this process (with chemical explanation & formulas)?
What a beautiful knife.
Hey just want to let you know love the videos keep them coming and keep up the good work also when something is labeled corrosive that doesn't necessarily mean that it can't be used around food because if you were to have Dawn dish soap in a bigger quantity than 5gallon bucket it would have to be labeled corrosive also I do believe and that is used around food all time
Awesome tip. I think I have an unopened bottle of that around here somewhere!
One thing that helped my get an even finish, is to mix that little bottle of bluing solution with water in a glass. Then submerge the knife in the mixture and watch the magic. I’ve also seen people put the mixture in a spray bottle and get good results that way.
What a great finish
Love your work and channel. Agree with the idea of a random texture to preserve the look of the finished knife. I'm going to try this, for sure! Can u comment on Andy Roy's (Fiddleback Outpost) "spalted steel" finish.....
Love the video! I used this on my first blade. Then, like you’ve said, experiment, I wanted a really black finish. So instead of following the directions and repeating that process a gazillion times, I tried soaking the blade in the blue. Experiment failed. That stuff are holes into the blade. The surface wasn’t any darker either. It looked cool, but just destroyed the metal. Lesson learned and move on to the next blade.
Check out a black oxide(there are a few, but most are $18 for a few oz..), like Caswells(a pint makes a gallon)... just don't mix it all at once, just use what you need, it goes bad once it hits metal... After dipping, wash off with water, then use a penetrating oil to seal it in...
Try acid and cold blue. And after each coat buff it or use steel wool. It inproves consistency and gives a better finish.
Right on. Thanks for those tips!!!🙏
Looks great and while I appreciate the long high production videos, I enjoy you putting out content (I always learn something), and I really don't mind a "lower production" video. This was great.
Looks great my friend!! I will have to try that someday!
one of my favorite finishes
ALWAYS wash this stuff off with water after, the chemical can seep out of the metal and into your hands after you take off your gloves so do be careful with this stuff, anyway great video and thanks for sharing your ways with us, take care and happy crafting!
-Tim
The blueing and sandy high spots creates a repeatable finish! How much for a EDC like that with kydex sheath?
$150 plus shipping 👍
you should try rust bluing some time... definitely more labor intensive, but gives a sweet finish
Do you think you could do a video on tips for working with micarta handle scales?
Nice Look will have to try it . Thanks
thank for the video. great little knife!
Thats so cool! Thanks J! Thats a great idea🤙🏼
If the gun blue isn't talking to a certain spot, your supposed to run over it lightly with fine steel wool
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Perma blue works alittle better that's stuffs more for touch ups.... and next bottle you should dump some out to use or use a different q tip every time you dip to avoid weakening the strength due to Cross contamination
Love the babbeling!
Hahaha, thank you!
Turned out nice.
How does your etched maker's mark fare under the blueing?
great stuff ! thank you for sharing .
You're welcome. 👍
Great video! I have not been really fired up about the needle scaler finish until now but I really like it blued. Do you use the scaler before or after heat treat?
Also, one problem I have is the rounding off of the spine. Could you do a video on your process for doing that? Both with and without scales. Thanks!
Thank you! I use the needle scaler before heat treat. I should do a video on that! 👍
Thanks! I assumed pre-HT. Look forward to a video on the rounding process.
Normally, after wipe it with gun blue, you have to use some oil for the finish. The gun blue soaked up the oil and the result is much better, more black. You have to lay it in oil and let it soak. But thanks for sharing ✌️👌😉
Sweet, thank you for the tips! You're welcome and cheers!
will it really be unsafe for food? i mean, its not the bluing that remains dark on the steel, but oxidation of some sort? if there was bluing left it would continue eating the steel? I dont know, just my speculations :P
Will using super blue work similar to the ferric chloride to get the stone wash look? Thank you
Hi my friend, nice video!!! Between super blue and 75%ferricChloride25%vinegar which one do you prefer???? Which one is more durable??? Thanks a lot.
What about food safety though? Is a blued knife good or not to slice food with. I've done a lot of patina and etching with vinegar, and that doesn't worry me, but bluing seems like it could get us real sick. I'm trying to figure out what I what to do with my new carbon kitchen knives.
Sweet and well done.
How long did you needle scale for? I doubt you will see this or respond but it's worth a shot
What was the thickness of that steel?
Try using some plum brown barrel finish and see what that looks like!
Cool look. No amount of cold bluing works on stainless steel. I’ve tried almost everything on the market for cold bluing. Black oxide hot dip is the only way, or coating with cerakote etc.
Sharp looking finsh, thanks for sharing! FYI though, I'm fairly certain that cold bluing does not provide any significant corrosion protection. Hot bluing and rust bluing provide some rust protection in conjunction w/oil. Cold blue recreates the color of bluing without creating the black oxide layer. Keep up the good work!
Love it! I should pick some up just to touch up some guns.
Thanks for sharing 👍👍👍👍
You’re welcome buddy! Thank you for watching!
Looks great and would make a nice EDC. But I can't cut an apple with it because it's toxic??? Whhhaaatttt? :)
Looks awsome 👍
would this stuff be good on non stainless tools
Great tips...
Really cool
I wound if you dipped the knife into a container of bluing if that would be any better as far as an even spread. Not sure though
So should I blu or etch my knife? Any pros and cons to each?
What steel is this knife made from?
What would work on stainless to get the same effect?
Sandblast first. the chemical don't like oils from your skin After you apply the bluing Add some hydrolic oil to lock in the bluing
you have to thoroughly degrease it or else it won't work properly, good stuff!
Is blueing the new black ? 😏 4th or 5th vid this week on blueing
hahaha! Really? Who else is uploading about bluing? I haven't had time to check out videos much lately 😆
Abom79 and This Old Tony both did some blueing and a few other random ones i dont remember
"Blueing" whether "Hot" or "Cold" is very similar to acid etching,,,, it is not "coats" of material you are applying ,,,but basicly fast oxidizing the metal itself (this is why it doesn't work on stainless steel). After you clean it off , the surface is colored metal , not a coat of blueing, this is a common misconception. Hot Blueing is usually a "Casustic Salts" solution heated to about 300°f and the metal part immersed for several minutes, then immediatley cleaned and oiled to to stop the corrosive chemical reaction.
Awesome, thank you
Can anyone tell me what is the active compound of this product? I mean, steel blue is just the commercial name and here in spain we dont have gun shops so im asking to find a similar product in my country. Thanks
Usually selenium dioxide
@@szymonjastrzebski2909 thanks for the info.
@@gladeshunter8796 thanks for the info.
Also mustard is fun for patterns and hot apple cider vinager for a greyer patina
Nice
Would you recommend acid etch for kitchen knives ?
I have done it before but there’s some folks who think it’s a bad idea if using something like ferric chloride. I see both sides but not 100% convinced either way. As long as you properly clean the blade after etching there should be no issues.
What metal was that knife made of?
O-1 tool steel 👍
Shrugs shoulders... "There's directions on here". Thanks, that's the MOST AMERICAN THING I'VE HEARD IN A WEEK OR MORE!
From a Canadian...
Just buff it with a bit of steel wool between coats and it removes all the blotchiness
Babbling means your excited it's ok
Video reported. For cruelty to auto focus. ;-) great looking knife. 👍
hahaha! Hope you don't have too much of a headache now 😆 Thank you!👍
Why IS IT xalled blueing when itse actually blackeking
I think i am first
it think it looks beatiful it almost look like it was cast
I've had no luck bluing 5160 with that same product.
Acid etch doesnt sound very food safe either😉 But maybe it is, I dont know very much about ”blueing” other than I dont like it very much😁
Its a great way to prevent rust though👍🏻 Could you use the needle thingy (I forgot the name🤦🏻♂️) on stainless steel?
Cold blue finish is food safe because it is just iron oxides. That liquid I wouldn't drink. If you clean the liquid off then it's food safe.
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I like the fact that when your just talking I don't need to put you in 1.25X or 1.5X or the really Sothern boys I have to 1.75X because they talk sooo slow haa haaa
hahaha! Most people complain that I talk too fast 😆👍
Why would it be bad for a kitchen...look it won't hurt you if you cut meat with it....well about as bad as a rusted knife....thats why you blue it
Directions? Real men don't read directions and don't ask for directions! :-)
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Just for the record I quit enjoy your short babbling videos lol.
Can you ferric C etch then blue?