Supernatural Has Become Fan Fiction
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The only death That seems to be real in supernatural is deaths death 😂 gotta love the irony
No kidding
No kidding
@Keys andFood The concept is alive but the incarnation was killed
In all honesty, when it comes to supernatural, it seems that fanfiction actually handles the characters and their growth better than the show does. In fanfiction, authors are allowed to take the characters in a direction that is different and new, and that the show would never allow, because it's just plodding along season by season. I've read fics that incorporate side characters that I absolutely loved, but the show just completely forgot (Max and Alicia Banes anyone?), or that deal with traumas that the characters have experienced that the show just glosses over. For a show that delights in hurting the main characters, the writers don't spend a lot of time dealing with the consequences of what they've done. Like, every single lead on the show should be in intense therapy. I mean, both Dean and Sam went to HELL, and I know that was seasons ago, but PTSD can last for years. In season 11, for like one episode, they tried to bring back the fact that Sam released all those demons at the end of season 3, but that was quickly forgotten. Castiel has been murdered, tortured, mistreated, abandoned, manipulated, and on and on, and the writers just let it build. It's kind of a gamble that when they do address the characters' problems, if they'll even focus on the right ones or do it right. Take, for example, the episode in season 14 when John Winchester comes back. In the episode JUST before it, Dean literally admits to Sam that their Dad used to send him away whenever he messed up. In earlier seasons, through flashbacks and interactions, it was very easy to pick up that John mistreated Dean, and if not physically abused him, emotionally did. They even had a whole episode dedicated to the fact that when Dean was 16, he was caught stealing bread to feed Sam (because, remember, John left them to fend for themselves for long stretches of time), and when Dean was caught and John was contacted, he literally said something along the lines of "let him rot". But in the episode where John is brought back, Dean says he's "moved past all that" or whatever. Like??? That kind of abuse should at least be addressed?? And like, I'm really glad Sam got his moment to reconcile with his dad but...they really just ignored the fact that most of Dean's emotional issues (like how he has a hard to time expressing his emotions, how he often postures at being more macho/masculine than he is or needs to be, how he is so utterly reliant on Sam) comes from his upbringing.
I don't know anymore.
At this point, I'm happy to have the good episodes and storylines the show has given me, and have come to terms with the fact that if I want these characters handled in a way that will actually further their development or treat them with love, I have to look elsewhere.
at least the boys get more development in fanfic ...
Osmodeus's plan to raise the shadien could have been an amazing storyline because it could have explored more of hell and we could have learned of more possible hell gates that had been locked away.
Can we address the degradation of Castiel? I mean, think about it! When we were first introduced to Castiel, he was this powerful and intimidating supernatural being who apparently had the ability to send Dean back to Hell if he felt like it. He took crap from no one. Not even Sam and Dean. But as the series went on, he was reduced to someone who put up with being treated like garbage. Mainly by Dean. Don't get me wrong. Cass is still my favorite character. But the writers did him wrong.
And don't get me started on what happened with Dean. I know he's always had anger issues. But the writers ruined Dean for me by amping up his anger issues to the point where he turns his back on Cass over things that aren't Cass's fault and then seeks to murder Jack because of who his biological father was. I'm sorry! Am I *supposed* to like this version of Dean; the "practically foaming at the mouth," Dean? 'Cause I didn't!
I totally agree with I really hate what the writer's did with castiel and dean in the later seasons he's become a raging dick
i personally dont like dean, and characters who make excuses for him i like even less. i feel their characters would improve if all their decisions didnt revolve around their love for dean who is a piece of work. even since jack was devils son, even when he was soulless, he was a better person then dean because he always wanted to fix things to make it right when dean is a dick and gives no fucks. i loved when cass wouldn't take shit. i thought it was great that cass was someone who dean could not get the upper hand on for a change. i love cass wings or not i just dont like the crap he took from dean later on.
@@angelaholmes8888 why, they were just friends lol
Personally I think as fans we've become lazy and we don't expect and ask any better of the writers. We just take any hot garbage that they throw at us.
i think your're on to something
"Supernatural has become fanfiction"
Honestly, which of my favorite shows hasn't? Most shows just aren't meant to last more than a few years, apparently...
deep space nine doesnt
I honestly think they just don't try. The writers coast, and the network wants them to keep doing the same thing...
it's almost like there are other threats to progress a plot than death! but wait, that would require a character to grow and change and we can't have that
Supernatural should have ended with Season 5. Now the show became pretty much a Parody of its former self.
Old comment but I’d love if in an alternate universe supernatural was structured in this way. Season 1 - 5, 13, 10 (a shorter version), then end it with 11. Obviously things would have to be tweaked to make it all come together, and some of the writing in season 13 would benefit from being touched up, but I absolutely love that season. To me it’s the last good one we’ve had and is up there with 5 and 11 in my opinion. Season 11 would just be the perfect way for it to end, an alternate version of the show which had the seasons in this order with perfect continuity would be perfect to me.
Preach! The best part of of 13 was Jack and they exiled him to the alt world because they weren’t creative enough to write for him. Oddly jack and Mary’s relationship became the best part of the season for me, and season 12 made Mary un-redeemable. That’s how bad this season was. Not to mention how the finale completely subverted/undermined season 5.
I totally agree 👍
Great video pal! Might be the best you ever made no joke. Great points made!
Thanks man! Appreciate it! Make sure to check out Sarah's video as well. She kills it with her discussion.
I know this is an old video, but recently I've been rewatching a few of my favorite shows. Finished the entirety of Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood (Great Show about Brothers), Castlevania, and Breaking Bad. The top mentioned ones all had good starts, some better than others, but interesting, and this quality continued throughout each show's runtime until their endings.
Versus Supernatural, when I initially started watching it, I thought seasons 1-5 were great. A few things weren't perfect, but overall good show. Season 6 was a mess (shouldn't have killed off Eve so quickly), and season 7 could have been good, but the Leviathans felt more like a joke than an actual threat. After season 7, the seasons began to feel like a farce, even with some good episodes and plot points. Yes, I liked season 11 (I didn't like the whole romantic subplot between Dean and Amara). But I wish the showrunners would have ended it there. Because although the show wouldn't have been perfect, overall it would have been good. Instead, it continued to get progressively worse. It's sad since if they'd stuck with the original season 1 through 5, I think this is a show that would have been remembered for its greatness for the entirety of its runtime, not just the start, and a few episodes here and there.
The entire show is a shadow of itself, the first and second season are a night and day comparison, I think a lot of behind the scenes meddling and advertiser deals have kept the show afloat all these years, but eventually when we got to the 4th series finale, it doesn't have weight or meaning.
Preach 🙌
Yeah yeah!!
I think supernatural should end like this, Jack will get his powers back when the new season of supernatural comes of but Jack probably won't gets his powers back until like the last few episodes and in the last episode he leaves to see the universe.
Dude you are spot on!! You make so much sense.
That's a girl...
I have been so disappointed. Too much fan service that does not add up. Sorry I watch for Sam and Dean and their adventure and making family along way and big storylines but Sam and Dean. It seemed this season they were kind of just there. Supernatural is Sam and Dean which I was surprised to learn so many disagree with and get mad if anyone says. I honestly do not get the show some watch. Like she said at the start everyone is back and death means nothing.
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I continue watching for the characters with Castiel my being my favorite. And yet, Castiel hasn't done anything badass in years and no character besides Crowley and Rowena has had any real character development. At this point, the characters are just caricatures of themselves (I get it; Dean likes women and bacon, and Sam is a worrywart. What else?) It's a terrible thing when your minor characters have better writing than the characters that are the foundation of your fanbase...
Sophie Filo yeaaa. Cass has a great arch season 5 and then same thing. True Rowena is like only one who had any arch. It makes me sad. Supernatural always has had great characters but writing was better for them.
Supernaturally American Yesss. and the sad part is so many of Cass "fans" get mad when someone brings up that fact calling them just haters but I think we care about his character. They literally are like Cass was just sad and he is an angel just excuses that might have worked season 4 not now. Cass makes same mistakes constantly with no real consequence or growth :( Why keep him around then? Its not about hating the character but wanting better.
Since they don't even bother to give Castiel a plotline or even show him doing ANYTHING important without the Winchesters, I'm thinking the reason they keep him is for the Destiel shippers who comprise a large chunk of the fanbase. In season 12, I think the show even baited these shippers several times with things such as the mixtape Dean made for Cas. I love Castiel, but can they please do something with his character? I literally cannot think of a single important thing Castiel did in all of season 13 except get (*OFF-SCREEN* in "Scoobynatural") some ingredient they needed in order to open the portal...
Sophie Filo Yeaaaa. and true. Idk if destiel shippers are majority but they are a lot and vocal on social media. I do see writers giving moments for destiel shippers. There was a natural friendship in season 4 and now everything with Cass seems to be that many people will get mad if they kill him off but exactlyyy he hasnt added to plot :(
Buffy only had 7 seasons, but everything you say about Supernatural is absolutely correct. I love the show and characters too, but there comes a time and place to ride off into the sunset. And I know people will say "Just don't watch" which I've finally done, but that means not getting closure not having a story I've or other fans have invested in actually en dina satisfying way.
Jeremy I agree with you for the most part. I still love this show, but of course it’s not as good as it once was, it’s just I feel like a lot of us fans are just stuck on how good the characters are and how much seasons 1-5 had progressed them to now. Supernatural is unlike any other show now where characters don’t revolve around the story, the story revolves around the characters, and to me it works. I would love a more powerful narrative and progression for Sam and Dean though because that has been a weak thing after seasons 1-5. Thank you making this video though I like hearing your thoughts. Speaking of that, their are leaks saying that s14 might only have 20 episode instead of 23? Maybe a tighter story is coming? Idk we’ll see
Hi Mr. Hannaford,
I feel that the "Supernatural" franchise needs to evolve beyond the Winchester Brothers. The CW network had the perfect chance to do just that with "Wayward Sisters", but didn't pick it up because of "Creative Issues", but I think you & I know that the issues go deeper than that. What do you think those issues might be? The CW President has gone on record saying that it was felt that upcoming "Vampire Diaries/Originals spin-off "Legacies" had a better shot than "Wayward Sisters", but you & I both know that is only half the story & that the network could have & should have picked up both spin-offs since both spin-off shows are extensions of two iconic long running franchises that helped put the CW Network on the map, but clearly the CW continues to play it safe with Supernatural & clearly isn't as committed to branching out the franchise as they would have you believe. They also clearly don't care about what the fans want. They want to keep Supernatural the way it is for as long as they can, but how much longer can Jensen Ackles & Jared Padelecki continue to do this? The show needs to undergo a major change or it needs to stop. At least the network is allowing The Vampire Diaries/Originals Universe to evolve & change with "Legacies" which I am looking forward to, by the way. If "Supernatural" is no longer your cup of tea, give "Legacies" a try. It premieres Thursdays this Fall right after "Supernatural". P.S. I no longer watch "Supernatural" for the boys, but the other characters & the plots continue to be interesting. Now if only they would make the "Wayward Sisters" cast into series regulars......
@Supernaturally American they picked up legacies despite the fact that it has left crap I think it boils down to they had two options wayward or legacies they simply overlooked another supernatural spin off for more vampire diaries garbage just like originals and spn:blood lines
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There’s only going to be 20 episodes for 14, fingers crossed that it’ll be the last season! Of course with this new guy Jack, they could continue the story.... but it just would ‘t be the same without both Jared and Jensen.
And guess who’s rumoured to not be dead next season??? Mark kind of spilled the beans on that one at a Meet and Greet a few weeks ago! 😂😂
Hoping that they do something interesting and exciting for the 300th episode, but it’s hard to top off the 200th though!
Robanah jack is human and he's grace was destroyed along with lucifer forever.
aDm hence is why they made him less powerful.... I’m guessing he became popular enough that they wanted to keep him around longer than a season, or in case one of the main actors wanted to step down
Fair, but unlike other angels who have lost their grace in the same fashion Jack was still glowing where Lucifer cut him when he was healed. To my knowledge that's the only time that that's happened before. Thoughts?
Again, another example of retreading and retconning the show continues to do with no disregard to keeping true to the lore already established.
Chris Mergner I kind of gave up trying to make sense of it... When Cass lost his grace at the end of season 8, he became full on human. When he took another angel’s grace, it became like a battery where if he didn’t recharge it he’d become really sick. But when he gets his own grace back, he’s still an angel, but weak and for some reason he cannot replenish his grace. Now when Luci loses his grace it totally changes... he feeds on angel grace, finds an angel that is willing to help him out, she can restore he grace? So a run of the mill angel is able to recharge her grace, but Cass isn’t??? And don’t even get me started on Lucifer’s grace which was so inconsistent!
With the apocalypse world story arc I thought just excuse to bring back characters they killed. Jack, honestly, the worst thing to happen to the show. They gave him so much power from the beginning you didn't feel a major threat of the big bad was very dangerous since they could just write him in getting new powers to save the day and side line the brothers and cas.
Such a great video! At one time, Supernatural was my favorite show. It really makes me sad to see its decline. I can honestly say the last season I enjoyed from beginning to end was S6. The first four episodes of S7 were outstanding but then it went all downhill from here. I hung in for all of Season s7-9. I only watched part of S10 before I gave up. I didn't watch any of S11 and only returned for S12 to see what they would do w/Mary. Oh my goodness. Mary was AWFUL. The BMOL were awful. S12 was really bad, IMO. I watched several episodes in S13, but not all of them. As for S14, I watched a few episodes but then missed a whole bunch. I did see the post-midseason break episode.
You've made great points I'm going to watch that Sarah girl's video next. Supernatural, for me at least, just isn't what it used to be. The Carver years ruined the show, IMO. I think it needs to end.
Oh man, you missed out on 11. Honestly the best season since S5. It's essentially a retread but it really set itself up as the ending for the show. Aside from S5, I would have been fine with the show going out on that season. Carver brought it out of the hole that was S7. Yeah it took a long ass freaking time and I barely remember anything that happened in S8,9, and 10 but at least he was building up to that supposed ending. Andrew Dabb is currently bending this show over the counter and wrecking it due to his inability to write anything decent.
I came from the future, you were right, the ending didn't satisfy all of the fans xD
(Personally I did liked it though xd)
You all nailed it! It's so sad, because it could have been an incredible story. Guess it was a good idea for Jared and Jensen to get out. LAZY WRITING! Milking the show for the money. But I've been bingeing it over and over during COVID. Why? I can't explain it.
They should have end it at the end of season 6 when Lucifer went back to his cage..
Season 5 not 6
Fuck, I thought you gonna talk about dean and Michael romance thing ... hence the thumbnail
Oh you are so right there was no growth between sam and dean in the later seasons plus the two of them also would sometimes act out of character unlike with buffy there's no consequences with supernatural except for the supporting characters like Charlie Bradbury Bobby singer Kevin tran bella Talbot and I also hated the way the female characters were treated throughout the series I know that this show was built for a male audience but come on women watch the show to 😤🤯😠😡🤬🥶
built for a male audiences since when? at least after 5, the showrunner catered toward the social media audience tumblr, twitter etc. because they mobilized and promoted episodes, wrote fanfic and organized fan gatherings etc. they catered to that group till the end. that group is tween and teen girls
Most of the fanbase are young girls
It did go for 15 seasons. So 20 isn't that crazy...
and their friends and foes all die for them one by one. to me, that made it boring, i didn't feel anything, even way back they brought jo back just to be killed, and im just like really? really? we already know the brothers weren't gong to die, this show seems to have only one possible plot:: the world is threatened and one bro dies, and their friends die for them one by one. people watch for their personalities. even though stories might be trash, their personalities are fun to watch. im so jaded i feel that sam and dean didnt change because people dont change. people are stuck in their ways lol . i dont know how or why we should expect better. we already know neither sam nor dean are not at all mentally healthy.
You nailed it brother
It seemed like... Andrew Dabb wanted to ruin every character and story, tbh...
I have a question for you Jeremy and any other fan! Do you think any of these problems can be fixed in any upcoming seasons, or is the show already ruined and is it too late?
I feel like it can be fixed if Andrew Dabb gets fired lol
Lol says he likes it tells us to stop watching personally I disagree if you kill your main characters your show dies fast just like TWD is
supernatural is more than just a show its a spn family. the cast have made awareness for good causes like mental illness and misha has random acts and gish. i just enjoy the show.
Who is the girl who's videos you show? Nevermind, I found her!!
Yeah... if I think a show sucks I don't waste my time watching and complaining about 15 seasons. Not every show is for everyone.
Why do did you continue to watch?!?! I don’t disagree with a few things.
I thought season 13 was rather enjoyable hopefully the things asmoedus was trying to raise have a story in season 14 or what about the work Billie had for dean something better that apocalypse Michael even though I’ve enjoyed him
Austin cozart oh Christ I forgot about the Billy story line that got dropped as well.
Jeremy Hannaford that annoys me I was hoping for something big with Billie maybe they’ll touch on that subject next season probably not though
I gotta feeling that will be a plot at some point I think what Billy was referring to was the empty
Look at the ratings. S12 was the best. I bet everyone really liked ketch and marry.
It's alittle terrifying how close it got to season 5 but thankfully season 12 never got a higher average than any of the original 5 seasons. If it did, I would have chucked a chair out the window.
lol
@@aDm219 I absolutely hate ketch he seems so useless to me and as for mary dabb made a stupid decision to bring her back he totally ruined her character
Supernaural has not become fanfiction.trust me, fanfcs of this show are more often than not VERY different from the show, even the present canonical show.truth is, jeremy hannford has become a HATER who just cant see the positive aspects of the show anymore and just focuses on the negative all the time.but not all of us see that way,thats why we watch.and thats why we'll keep watching and you'll keep thinking we're killing the show,we're beating a dead horse and all that crap cause you are INCAPABLE of seeing anyone else's perspective.thankfully, not all of us think the way you do,infact most of us dont.i could sit here and give really good and lengthy explanations to counter each of the points in your video as well as the other girls video.but whats the point?you'll never understand any of it because you just cant see outside of your narrow tainted perspective.so im just gonna suggest you stop watching supernatural to save yourself from suffering and frustration and save us from letting you ruin a show we all still love for good reasons,and everyone goes home happy...
Shruti Mahant I in fact would love to hear you offer a counter to the constant retreating of lore established long before, retconning moments of the past, bringing back characters for no reason other than to provide fan service or how the brothers have had less development than a wet pasta noodle since season 6 😊
Also, I would love to see you try and counter any of Sarah Z's points. The girl has every beat 10 times to Sunday.
Also, yes, Supernatural is beating a dead horse.
Sorry for the 3rd response here, should have put it all together. I don't just see the negatives. Look over my episode reviews for this season and there were some pretty decent episodes here and there. Admittedly, I didn't give any my highest rating, the last episode I gave that was when Dean had the spell that caused super amnesia (this was in part because Jensen actually got to try something beyond his usual routine with Dean and the emotional weight of the episode was pretty darn good) But when the plot has become a repetitive cycle of the same elements over and over and over again to the point where the only solution is to bring characters back from the dead, YES, you are beating a dead horse.
okay.i'll give this a try but i can bet even after all the explanation is done you still wont understand.but here goes.character developmental: sam and dean literally had more development in season 11 than any other season before that.they learned that the bigger cause they were fighting for , saving people, should always come first.its not okay to keep saving each other over the entire world,which is a lesson not even the wisest in the world can learn easily and it was done in steps throughout the season in subtle but significant ways.in season twelve they learned the truth about mary's true nature and the entire fantasy of having a perfect mother was gone and they had to deal with it as grown ups and it'll never be the same again for them.that perfect persona of a fantasized mother is gone forever,which means they had to deal with and grow out of a lot of complications from their past,especially their childhood.and of course dealing with the fact that mary was the one who was the root of most of their problems in life and then proceeding to forgive her and accepting her for what she is,an imperfect human like them.in season 13 they learned that even a spawn of evil can not only do good in the world but also give hope to them and everyone else for a better future and help them redeem themselves and start anew with him as part of the family even if he's not their blood.they also learned to deal with the guilt of people they couldnt save and have a better chance of a better relationship second time around with the characters they liked and change their attitudes about the characters they didnt like and allow them to grow beyond their prejudiced image.so the return of characters in the recent times has always served very valid and interesting purposes.
Well, I'm sorry to take the words out of your mouth but I can immediately counter two of your points. As much as I loved Season 11, it was a complete retread of 5 (which is probably why it was good) As for the brothers learning about the bigger cause? Yeah that was done long ago in Season 5. You know, when Dean willingly let Sam sacrifice himself to throw Lucifier back in the cage. Both the brothers had a fantastic arc in that light through Season 5. It was kind of there again in 11 but honestly the brothers were just witnesses to beings and powers beyond their comprehension (which was something I enjoyed about it). Dean thinking of using the whole Spirit bomb thing is a complete retread of Sam's willingness to become Lucifier's vessel except without actually sacrificing himself.
As for Jack, I very much liked his character arc but again, a retread albeit longer version of a story from Season 5. You know, the Anti Christ episode. A creature born of evil that they came to originally kill but realized there could be good in him as he was still too young to have been corrupted and didn't know his purpose in the world. Yes Jack did have the element of being a part of the family ... except that was Castiel's plot line several seasons ago ... repeatedly.
Also the whole getting a better chance for a better relationship with previously dead characters isn't a strong point. It's just Andrew Dabb's terribly lazy writing. An example? Where the hell did all the people they brought through go after the first five minutes of S13 finale? They all checked out like nothing. Again, bringing back dead characters isn't impactfull writing, it's just lazy writing.
Which brings me into your second point about S12 and the return of Mary. I hated the character. Many others did. But I can agree with you about the perfect persona of the mother figure being deconstructed. That in a sense did happen. However, if you watch my Season 12 prediction video, I called that happening because I knew that she wouldn't be a regular character. I said this because this has happened over and over and over again with different characters. The complete randomness of bringing Mary back was definitely eye catching but it ultimately turned out to be a pointless endeavor. Her character was pointless and had barely any use to the show, ergo why they barely used her throughout the season. Her terrible "sacrifice" of punching Lucifier through the Deus Ex Machina gate to the other dimension was only done because they wanted to deal with her character as little as possible in S13 because there is no reason for her to be back ... other than fan service. Look at Charlie for example, you say that bringing her back was for valid and interesting purposes? What was it for here? Dean feels guilty and that's it. That's what guilt is! THAT'S WHAT BUILDS CHARACTER! And what happened in the end? They brought her back and she disappeared just like everyone else!
What about Ketch? Who in their right mind thought it was a great idea to bring back this awful character? His entire arc and persona is the peak of lazy writing.
Hell, I even heard that Lucifier was going to come back in the next season. It just makes me shake my head with disappointment and embarrassment. If that does happen, that will solidify Andrew Dabb as one of the worst writers Supernatural has ever had.
So in conclusion, I do understand what you are trying to say. That the obstacles and challenges the brothers come across are against the Hunter norm from time to time. That sometimes their ideals and their rules will be challenged and possibly even altered. And I can agree with you ... because I've seen it already. All of this happened throughout the first five seasons and everything since then has been a complete retread of plots and stories written long before.