Rear Sway Bar and Link UPGRADE 2019 Golf R
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2024
- Today we upgrade the rear sway bar on the Golf R! Replacing a rear sway bar and sway bar links is one of the best suspension modifications a FWD and AWD car can get. This is a sway bar upgrade, but if you are having sway bar bushing noise, sway bar link noise, you can follow this DIY as well. Upgrading a rear sway bar introduces more oversteer in a FWD/AWD car. This allows the car to turn easier. The best part it doesn't impact the car in normal driving conditions. Thank you to WD-40 for being such a great partner on this video #humblemechanic
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I love how you show us alternative ways to do things.
Steven L no one else does it like him
#flatratedoneright
Really appreciate how you put in the safety warnings, not something you see in a lot of TH-cam installs.
Charles, the lighting, editing and recording is getting as good as the mechanical part! Great job as always!
When I first installed the 034 RSB on my '18 R, it felt lively in normal driving but turning into high speed sweepers felt spooky, like the back end wanted to come around - didn't like that at all. Once I installed their upgraded front sway as well, however, the car felt much better. The greatly reduced amount of lean works well with the McPherson suspension to maintain negative camber in turns for more grip, and the car feels safe. My personal recommendation is to do both bars.
What size rear bar?
Thanks, I’ve been wondering about that… I have a front strut bar along with rear sway & strut bar so maybe it’s not that bad but there have been some scary oversteer moments
The DCC is more than enough for me. All cars have limits regardless of mods. I am confident with the all wheel drive system in race mode. If it understeers then I have pushed that limit. I don’t need to go any faster, just enjoying the G’s!!Thx for sharing.
I did front and rear on my 2012 GTI when I went coilovers. Love how planted it is. I bought the same coilover model for my 6R and plan on doing front and rear swaybars too for it.
Just did this upgrade on my MK7.5 R a few hours ago. This tutorial made it super easy. Especially when the exhaust is off. Thank you very much!
hi buddy do you know what the part numbers are for the nut and bolt that goes through the bottom of the droplink ? thankyou.
@@rmc5278 it's a stud that comes out of the link
Rear sway bar upgrades always do wonders in most applications. My Charger has a Eibach and Corolla has a whiteline. Both cars grip while turning. My corolla even now kicks the rear out instead of understeering
I definitely know first hand how loose that rear end can be in these cars, so in your first five mod recommendation video where you recommended this mod could not have been more spot on. Wheels and ecu flashes can wait.
Did this on MK7 and fortunately had installed at a shop I use (because their problem to correct), same exact end links as yours. The problem I had was end link mounted to frame, the OEM bolt could not handle the stiffness of bigger sway bar and would rattle and to eliminate had to weld nut to frame to make rigid.
Thank you so mush for the video! I've just installed mine thanks to you, and I can't believe what a difference it made😍😲
Just insane! Way more then I could imagine! Thanks!
Why can't everybody shoot videos like this guy, freaking clear video quality 😎
What are the things hanging from the 📷 under the car when you were driving? zip ties?
Thanks so much 🙏. The zip ties are another GoPro. The footage was really dark so I didn’t use it
I dont like working on VWs, but your videos are very helpful for when I do.
AWESOME!
Sounds like the start of a beer commercial. "I don't always like working on VWs - but when I do, I prefer to watch Humble Mechanic first."
Stay greasy, my friends. :-D
Thank you for the video Charles! I just replaced the rsb on my ‘19 R following your video. Except I used jack stands and didn’t lower the exhaust. Initial in/out of the rsb was a pain, like you said. But, after doing it once, the process and angles were easy. Thanks again for posting!
Awesome. How’s she drive?
Definitely notice she can take the turns at higher speeds than before.
Thank you for helping us on how to fix our VW's. Videos are awesome and simple to understand how to do it, also thanks for the precautions that we need to bear in mind!!!
I did the exact same sway bar upgrade with those 034 links. They do make a little noise but that i can accept for the performance enhancement. On my Audi with Bilstein coilovers. The handling is amazing.
How long before you got noise?
I could hear a noise immediately after install but only at very low speed under 3 mph and windows down. I have put at least 40,000 miles on those links and no failure. I have visually checked them a few times and ball bearing looks good.
Hi Charles. Thank you so much for your channel. The clarity of what you do is fantastic and inspiring. Can I ask, if I'm upgrading to KW clubsport coilovers is this still a relevant mod, or should I use the money elsewhere? Many thanks.
Changed the rear sway bar on my bmw f10 to a H&R one. Night and day difference. Really pleased.
Hey Charles, could you send a link for the hardware? I want to install my new sway bar and assumed it would come with new bolts but alas. Great video as always!
So what kind of difference is there between the 25 and 26mm? I’m curious why they are sold in 24, 25, and 26mm as those are so close I can’t imagine there being much difference, but I have no idea about such things 😄
I can't say for sure about this particular brand, but some sway bars are hollow and some are solid, so that may be what the big difference is even though the sizes are so close.
Hey Charles did this other day, used your video a the tutorial, all went well - test drive I am getting some "clunking" not really sure why all is tight and torqued. Any possible thoughts?
"Super easy. Barely an inconvenience." Nice Pitch Meeting reference
One of the only things I watch on TH-cam. HAHHA That dude is hilarious.
Excellent detail, excellent camera work, excellent lighting. Just excellent!
Thank you!!
Swaybar and end-links do not need to have the suspension at ride height/loaded to be torqued down, not sure what your reasoning was for that. Bushings that will flex/move with the suspension ie control arms DO need to be torqued at ride height....but not swaybars/links, the swaybar bushings are fixed to the chassis and do not “move” based on vehicle/suspension movement. And the tightening position for the links will not affect their movement or “resting/ride height” position whether it’s torqued up in the air or at ride height. That’s my only comment, everything else was great love your vids. Great work!
What is your opinion of running stock links with a smaller, upgraded bar, Charles? I think most probably aren't as diligent about maintenance as you (i.e. cleaning the aftermarket pieces and greasing bushings regularly) - myself included. Instead, I've been beating around the idea of grabbing either a TTRS bar or one of the smaller aftermarket bars available and running stock links and bushings. Curious to know your thoughts!
I have s3 with h&r kit 33851-8 front 27 mm and rear 25’mm… is the same of you? Amazing golf R!
Job well done, appreciate all close-up filming.
We love our Race Ramps Wheel Cribs for settling/preloading suspension for proper torquing of the hardware.
@18:06, it is cool to see the sidewall flex on the driver rear tire. Currently shopping for rear sway bar for my R. Thanks!
Seems so simple with the proper precautions and tools. Would an alignment be necessary or recommended after the install? I have the same seat bar sitting in a box in the garage, saving up for some endlinks.
No alignment needed. And I totally meant to mention that.
Thanks for addressing the Alltrack differences.
Great video I had the EMD Rear sway bar and end link set installed pretty much like a month after I got my S3. Best suspension mod!
A review please how it changed an haw does it feel like now
Great video. Is it possible to upgrade to new end links rather than full RSB upgrade? and call it a day for a DD? No track.
Yep you can. Not sure it will make a worth wild impact
Hi Charles. I only have two stands and a jack. Is it OK to load and torque one side at a time?
I upgraded my sway bar and went sliding off a turn now I need upgraded tires and to reseal the oil pan 😂 you should express that stiffer suspension puts more reliance on the stickiness of the tires
I upgraded the RSB to a 26mm 034 within a few months after getting my 2018 S3. Totally worth it.
Awesome.
Why? Can you tell your review please
Thanks
Really awesome Video Charles, Very helpful and informative...I learnt so much watching it and re-watching it....Keep up the great work...Love each and every video you make
Thank you
Gat a better alignment with some front toe out (2mm total) and slight rear toe in (.5-1mm total) and it handles even better with fantastic turn in feel.
I had issues with the mounting hardware (bolts and nuts) from 034's end links rusting out almost instantly after 1 snow storm with lots of road salt. Keep an eye on those and consider replacing them with something that handles the winter better.
We don’t really have winter here. These do require maintenance. I’m going to run them and see how they hold ip
*This is a HUGE Audi upgrade too!!*
Yep!
I love your videos. I have a 2001 jetta glx 12v vr6 and just got a 2001 Audi quattro a4 b5 2.8l for $400 it just needed a timing chain tensioner
I'm sorry for being negative, but you don't need to load the suspension, it is not mandatory. And etka will tell you the same. Unless your touching or removing other components, you do not need to have it preloaded. So preaload isn't a must.
But yeah, did install myself, and huge difference on the stiffest settings. You also don't need new bolts, that depends tho, how old are the "old ones". Just add lockite if you wanna play safe but those bolts aren't those that are mandatory to replace, even VW doesn't replace them in real life. But some bolts do stretch, not those tho.
Hi Charles. I just ordered the RSB and End Links. Do you have the part numbers for the one-time use hardware? I’d like to get that ordered as well. Thanks for the great videos!
I always hit like first, as your videos are always perfect!!! I love your perfectionism, start to finish, with All aspects!!! Thanks, as always😁!!!
🙏 thank you
Thanks Charles, great video, I will re-watch it again just before installing my Whiteline Rear Swaybar and Whiteline Endlinks to my R in the next few weeks :) Cheers, Don (Perth WA)
Awesome. Thanks Don! 😎
Wish I could find a channel this good with a guy that loves Kia souls! Love this channel, not a big fan of VW.
enjoyed this one.. a rear sway is next on my list.
I'm sure it's too late for the Craftsman giveaway, however, I do enjoy your videos. In fact, the videos are helping me keep my Audi A4 on the road. Thank you!
Thanks so much!!! Stay tuned for a huge tool giveaway later this year!!!
This helps a lot on RWD cars too. My old 968 was much better at turn in with a fatter rear sway bar.
On the ball joint type fittings. If you can't get a triple square in it or have one that doesn't have a way to put anything in it you can squeeze the joint tight with a pair of channel locks and get the nut off
You can. Typically that ruins the joint. Not an issue ir replacing, but will be if you are putting it back on
Nice to see somebody how's not just making there car a straight pipe and put more power to the engine. The R has plenty of power as is. And suspe spension, breaks upgrades a d chassi upgrade is also fun. I remember when i had a Corolla AE92 GSi and my friend had a G2 GTi 8V his car was a bit faster but i could beat him in small roads because i put on some H&R springs, Bilstein dampers and Toyo CF1 tyres and he put on a Super cheap hight adjustable suspension and Roadstone tyres. His car was to stif to control the small bumbs in the road and his tyres didn't have enough grip to drive it as fast, it maybe could, but you have no feeling of how much you where pushing the tyres. After some time my friend switched to the same tyres and the CF1 is now his favorite Tyre for his cars because it's good value for the money.
Would love to se a laptime with a Stock, yours and a engine modified only golf R to se the gains maybe with 3 diffrend drivers and make it a test like some body does to motocross mashines where they have a lot of diffrend riders frome a matures to pro's to see with is the best for them and and why
that would be super fun!
Hi there, great video. I have a question. The reason for compressing the suspension and getting it loaded? Is it to get access to the bolts or is there some other reason as well? And do both side need to be loaded together or can I just do one side at a time?
Came here with this question. Seems 2 yrs later it hasn't been address. Fml😢
Has the Golf R been out for long enough that a "Common VW Golf R Problems" video could be made?
I’d say so. Maybe a MK7 Common issues video.
HumbleMechanic That would be great buddy.
@@HumbleMechanic Pretty sure that'll be fried spark plugs once you get a tune? That and Haldex filter sludge haha
@HumbleMechanic
I have had worsening creak noises since 60,000km on my 2016 Golf R (104,000km now). I drive in all conditions as I live in Atlantic Canada.
The noises are heard when going slower and driving over uneven surfaces.
My guesses as to the source of my noises:
- Stabilizer bar end links front and rear
- Stabilizer bar rear bushings
- Control Arm bushings
Any other ideas or insight? Car is headed to the garage for 105,000km maintenance in a couple weeks and I'm gonna have them fix the noise. Having some idea of the issue may help.
@@PurpleSideBlack I recently heard about this, as a common issue with the Mk7 and S3 8V. It seems to come from the front subframe mounting bolts. 034 makes a kit to fix it.
www.ecstuning.com/b-034motorsport-parts/mqb-front-subframe-locking-collar-upgrade-kit/0346010028~034/
Now this next step may take a little while, so if you need to take a crap, now's the time to do it.
All joking aside these videos are very thorough. Keep up the great work. 😂
amishterrorist17 I may or may now be taking one watching this. I’ll check back when I’m done
MyzteryMedia should i call a doctor my guy?
I see you using the gear wrench brand of tools, how do you like them? How would you compare them to craftsman or some of the other mid range tools?
Consistent. They are good, not great. But at the price I’d for sure be good with them
Hey Charles, do you know how much stiffer this is over stock? I’ve been looking everywhere with no luck...
Hi. For the End links, do you recommand 034 or another chaper brand like ECS could do the work ? Does the price difference worth it ? Thank you!
Always my first suspension mod on the 'Dubs... Just changed out my 034 bar for an APR one couple days ago as the 034 bar is not quite stiff enough even on the stiff setting for my needs (S3 - which seems to need more rear bar than the R))
There's no reason to preload the suspension for the end links since they're spherical bearings. Still need to for the anti-swaybar bushings.
I was just going to say the same thing.
not everyone will be using those. Plus 034 recommended that for torquing.
Sway bar bushings are supposed to allow the sway bar to twist, too so it’s not necessary to load the suspension before torquing the mounts. It’s not like a bonded control arm bushing, which needs to be tightened at ride height to prevent premature cracking due to twist/preload between the inner and outer sleeves. Some sway bar bushings are tighter than others, but they can/will move. Especially with poly bushings that need to be lubed, anyway. It’s also completely unnecessary to torque the end links at ride height, because they use ball, heim or spherical bearings, which are free to rotate.
@@Bones43x ...The H&R Rear Bar is a dry bushing, no need to lube which is part of the reason I choose it. I just installed and it's totally silent...time will tell.
Quote from H&R: "H&R exclusive bushings made from a urethane / teflon composite that eliminates squeaks and don't require lubrication. Ever."
Is there any particular reason you went with this size RSB? I noticed they have bigger and smaller, so I was just curious
You increased oversteer characteristics as well as reduced body lean. Does help to get the car turning into a curve....
Makes it super fun and a much better autoX car!
Just be careful if you push it in the wet - and especially in snow. They can get a little tail-happy when grip levels fall off if you stiffen the rear too much (which is why I love adjustable anti-roll bars.)
@@aussiebloke609 doesn't the skinny pedal resolve that?
@Keith Hache Within limits. If you're short on traction, then flicking the rear around quickly won't be easily salvageable as the front is going to be a bit slippery also. That's why I like adjustable bars (when available, of course) - you can dial the car in a bit better without buying half a dozen new bars to try out.
That said, if you still have some grip on the front, then it's certainly the most fun way to resolve that particular problem. It's why I used to daily a classic Mini when I was younger, despite the Lucas electrics and the generally unreliable nature of the car. They were easy to get sideways, and even easier to straighten up again. :-)
@@aussiebloke609 Yeah. Good point. I think my happy place for that would be a more neutral, "anti snow plow" behaviour compared to an autocross-style setup as I'm more prone to tear down windy B roads and offramps in my car. Wouldn't want too much lift-off oversteer in a river valley with a 500-ft drop on one side.
great video! I just want to mention that your links section is missing the triple squares.
Thanks for the heads up!!! I’ll fix it.
I installed rear sway bar on my s3 8p too, just wondering is it necessary to install a front sway bar upgrade as well? Do it worth it? Or just rear one is good enough
Hi Charles - love your videos. You do a great job at explaining everything. I do have two questions though:
1. I'm watching this video because of your "5 best mods for the Golf R" video. So because is THAT video is the upgrade the ENDLINKS or the SWAYBAR? I understand the plastic vs metal concern but which is the actual modification?
2. Having said that - since you're removing the plastic for the metal but according to the video there already is a sway bar SO why are you replacing that as well?
Thanks!!
Ari
He upgraded the sway bar which puts additional pressure on the plastic that’s why you upgrade to the metal otherwise it wouldn’t matter.
Would it be an easier install if the suspension was loaded up by just backing the car up on ramps?
Hello
Is it better to do the front sway bar too or it decreases handling in some ways
I am planing to buy front and rear einbach swat my bar
Thank you
Great video Charles!
One of the big criticisms of say a TTRS (similar would apply to Golf R) compared to something like a Cayman S is its handling and steering response due to front weight bias.
To what extent do you think a good rear sway bar and a bit of toe out up front would correct this?
How close to the handling of a Cayman do you think you could get?
What brand and size anti-sway bar is that? I didn't hear you mention it at all. This was super easy on the e-Golf. Also, maybe explain why the final torque's must be done with suspension loaded.
It's an HR bar, I think the size was 25mm, but measured over 25mm. I just love HR stuff. LOL
@@HumbleMechanic Hotchkiss Racing=HR?
H&R Springs. They make some of the best stuff out there
@@HumbleMechanic I wanted H&R but the price point of the Megan Racing one was spot on at 25.6mm iirc.
Could you please provide some input regarding the wedge shape bushing on the sway bar links? They do not sit properly and cause an annoying "clunking" sound.
Thank you , Charles. I’m planning on installing Eibach Pro Kit lowering springs onto my Alltrack. I’m thinking while I’m at it install an Eibach rear sway bar and replace the links. Plastic links??? Will the new springs and new sway bar work well together? Perhaps even in daily driving? Thanks. 👊🏼.
Should be no issues
Right on, Charles. Thank you.
This will be a big help when I get around to doing this on my S3
Hey, I significantly dropped my alltrack, and since, have a terrible squeak from the front oem sway bar bushings. Can they be replaced without removing the whole bar? In other words, is it similar in procedure to an mk4, for example?
Hey Charles :) do you have to lift the rear wheels off the ground when doing this job? i.e. does the weight have to come off the suspension to do the job.... or make it any easier to do the job? cheers, Don (Perth, W.Australia) :)
Makes it easier but wheels can stay on
Top shelf video Charles 👍. Don't even own a VW, but still can learn something
Man that means a lot. Thank you
@@HumbleMechanic I'm just a diy driveway mechanic. I know how long it takes me to do things sometimes. I can't imagine the added work of camera set up, talking, explaining, voiceover and editing. The clear and well lit video is super helpful. Your hard work is greatly appreciated, by me and many others I suspect. Looking forward to the Miata stuff down the road.
Ive just ordered front and rear white line, how comes you’ve only done the rear? Is the front not worth it ?
Id like to replace the stock sway bar on my 2019 VW ARTEON, but in my place the only option is a Front and Rear sway bar package, do you think I need to replace both of them or just the rear one ?
I had those same 034 end links installed on my S3 last week. Now that you've had them installed for a few weeks, do you find them to be slightly creaky? Forums seem to be split on whether or not they should be.
Bought an Eibach rear sway bar for my Mk6 gti after having gone stage 2. The OE sway bars in the mk6 are metal. Do you feel there is still major benefit to replace them?
Unfortunately the hyperlinks to the end links and sway bar don't work. Anyone have the proper links and the product IDs? I would like to eventually do this. I love this channel by the way :)
Thats a beautiful car. Have you thought about getting different exhaust system?
Would it be better to change the front sway bar as well?
I’ve Done the same on my GTI. But I am having a clunking sound when I go over a rough road or bump. Also upgraded with the dynamic + end links from 034. What do we need to do ?
Have you pushed the car to the limit with the new bar yet? Any oversteer with throttle lift? I had a 87 16V that would actually spin if you were too abrupt with lift in a hard corner. The rear bar was so stiff you could feel the inside wheel lift off the ground when pulling into driveway with a curb cut.
Not as aggressive as I’d like.
@@HumbleMechanic I have been tuning on my Alltrack. I used OBD11 to turn off the stability control (not just sport limited) and set the Haldex to high. Now I can get the back end to step out on dirt or wet. Only making 240 ft/lbs right now so she still stays planted on dry roads. Still understeers under acceleration, but she transitions to mild oversteer nicely on throttle lift. She's got a big butt, so it swings pretty good when you toss it hard into a turn. Can't wait for the first snow.
Freaking awesome..it is so amazing how much that rear sway improves the turn in & tossabilities ( I know that's not a word, but it fits) When I had a beefier rear sway installed on my MK7 GTI....it was night and day when I hit the whiny roads. Great Video....loving the progression of the car.
100% LOVE THIS MOD.
Thanks for sharing the knowledge man! I actually went ahead and bought this 25mm by h&r myself... I opted for the "maintenance free" links per your advise. I was curious if you just called up your local vw dealership to get these one time use bolts? Appreciate any suggestions!
Yea I got them from the dealer. Make friends with the top level parts guy there
Did you get the 034 Motorsports Dynamic+ end links? Did the asymmetrical bushing work properly with the 25mm H&R bar? Working on procuring my own setup for my GTI. Thanks!
Cameron Lewis and @humblemechanic Can you guys tell me where you got the “maintenance free” end links? Are you talking about the $130. 034 DYNAMIC+ ADJUSTABLE REAR SWAY BAR END LINK KIT FOR MKVII store.034motorsport.com/034motorsport-dynamic-adjustable-rear-sway-bar-end-link-kit-for-mkvii-vw-gti-gli-r-jetta-and-8s-8v-8v-5-audi-tt-tts-ttrs-a3-s3-rs3.html
I know this is of topic but you haven’t lowered this golf R do you think lowering springs damage the DCC system. I’ve been told yes and no but that’s coming from sales people. I would greatly appreciate your opinion.
Depends on how low. A little and you’re probably fine. A lot. You aren’t fine
@@HumbleMechanic Thanks for replying, love your content (insert ass kiss here lol) is that why you didn’t bother lowering your 7.5? I’m going to install a rear sway bar do you think it’s worth while doing the front at the same time? I’m getting the FR500 with MPI installed at HPA and want the car to have less body roll but don’t want to spend an extra 6k on suspension.
Does this upgrade confuse the 4wd system.
hi Charles thanks for video very helpful 👌 . do you know the part numbers for bolt and nut that goes through the droplink at the bottom ? thankyou .
Is there a good spot on the rear area for the Golf R to jack it up to raise both sides at the same time so I can use the reinforced pinch welds for my jack stands? On My Mk4 Jetta I did just that using a long reach jack and a 2x4 to distribute the load using the beam axle to lift the car...that worked great but the independent rear is a different beast altogether. Any suggestions?
+1 for RSB upgrade too... .perhaps one of the cheapest suspension mods... I'm looking to upgrade my GTi bar as well.. @humblemechanic do you happen to know the stock size? Btw, happy belated thanksgiving!
Very thorough! Nice work Charles
Great stuff as always!
Hey what brand of lift do you have in your garage? Thanks
-Jake
Super easy, barely an inconvenience... lol, I caught that. Yeah, yeah, yeah
Hahaha I love the pitch meetings
"Wow, wow, wow ... wow!"
😂
Thank you. So impressed with all your post. I always check your site for any suggestions or ideas on any VW’s I’ve owned. Now that i have a 2018 Golf R Mk 7.5, have you explore a rear fig light on a Golf R? Always admire german cars and swedish cars like Volvo with their rear fogs. Pls research and post. Thanks a million!
Bj- Wash dc area.
Thank you so so much 🙏
how about a video on your car lift? always wondered if those things were safe and the best way to use them
That’s a great idea!!!!!
Great video! Could you please do a similar one but for the installation of the front swaybar?
I may at some point. Just to see the different
Is there any way you can make a video on how to turn off the ACC light when you remove your bumper?
If i take it to the dealership the car will get TD1
Any reason why you didn’t install a front sway bar also? Since its a AWD.
Can I do it this way on a mk7 gti? I like how the endlinks were bolted onto the control arms before hooking them up to the sway bar.
You still might have to drop the exhaust, but it should be 99% the same. Probably easier
Hey Charles have some questions about the VW 1.4 TC Jetta. Is it common for the newer Jetta 2019 to rattle at high rpm (4500-5000)
Awesome!!!! Bearded wonder strikes again!! Question.. no grease in the brackets??
Lol thank you. No lube needed. The HR bushings are impregnated with lube....😳
HumbleMechanic Hahahah gotcha!!!!
You need your own TV show!