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The climate crisis has provided the perfect cover story for the biggest transfer of wealth in human history ! Whether you believe CO2 is a problem, or not ? It's glaringly obvious that the so called solutions on offer have done nothing for the climate, or to curtail the excesses of the uber rich, the opposite in fact, it has concentrated wealth in their hands to the point they now have oligarchical status, immune from accountability, they meddle wherever they see fit with little fear of the consequences. As for the common people ? The middle class have joined the working poor, and the working poor are being groomed for the fact that they will be needed no more, as technology will soon replace them, technology that is so hungry for energy, that the common people are being conditioned to accept less, so that a greater share can go to the technologies that will inevitably be used to control them !
$58,000 is a top premium price for a car. I thought EVs were supposed to be $15,000 cheap cars that everyone could afford. Electric motors are cheap and have been around forever. Are they using braking recharge? An electric motor per wheel? Can they get the batteries off the bottom where they get damaged and in the back or front where they can be fire walled off from the passengers?
Yes BMW’s cost too much! I had 4 BMW LEASES, FINALLY SAID THE COST WAS JUST TOO EXPENSIVE. THE LAST CAR I TURNED IN ONLY HAD 7800 miles on a 3 year lease. BMW still charged me $1400 usd because I turned in the car early!
There is one main reason for dismal sales of German EVs: Super high prices. In Australia the base iX30 is $160,000. With that money I can buy a Mercedes C63. Or 3 BYD EVs, or 2.5 Tesla Model 3s!
BMW had a superb EV called the i3, but they binned it as it was not big enough for their image. They all need to stop this obsession with big, heavy, cars in general and start producing more practical vehicles.
Since the beginning of time the market and demand has dictated what consumers want. The EV car is trying to buck that trend. Used prices for ICE are increasing
EVs is the worst "investment" anyone can do right now. The growing EV crisis due to explosive, poisonous battery fires, will make the used EV market plummet. You could buy 4 new cars for the price of one EVs lifetime. Risking your life at home while charging, when driving or if you like most people some day experience a small collision, is not something people are willing to do. Even less so if they have small children or pets in the car.
Just wanna point out that, with very few exceptional individual cases, buying a passenger vehicle has never been an "investment" but rather an expense unless the vehicle could generate income during its lifetime such as taxis, trucks or other utility vehicles. I never got to understand how some folks would actually placing buying a house vs buy a car head-to-head; they could be put together as the first and second most expensive spending in a lifetime of common folks, definitely not investment though. Just saying.
Fires in all types of car are extremely rare. Internal combustion engine cars are more likely to catch fire than EVs. Hydrides are more likely to catch fire than both ICE and electric vehicles.
@@grahamf695 Sure bro, ICE related fires are happening on a daily basis around the globe for decades, so often that they don't get reported anymore. On the other hand, EV fires are hot news.
Auto executives must be smoking some good stuff. Hydrogen?? How about an episode going over why hydrogen is an energy negative concept. You can't get the energy out that you put in separating hydrogen from water and it still doesn't make sense when you use the more common natural gas source. Please, get real with some of these observations.
Here in the US copper thieves rip off the charging stations, so you can’t charge your car! I know one area charging stations have not been repaired for almost 2 years!
Hydrogen isnt the solution, it takes alot of energy to create it. Energy that is coal and gas powerplants. Also hydrogen is hard to store. Not to mention exhaust from hydrogen in winter wich is water would turn highways in ice.
@hunchanchoc8418 Solution to what? What if human caused climate change is a myth? What if changes in temperature are due to variations in our own sun? Can you do anything about that?
The entire European car industry has been shackled by the EU's and UK government's 'net zero' obsessive legislation. The EV market is saturated, the situation exacerbated by plummeting residuals. BMW (and more acutely, Jaguar) have put all their eggs in the EV basket, and could tank (as could VW and Stellantis). BMW has not helped itself by increasingly hideous designs (as are Mercedes EVs), and dashboards that look like cheap, aftermarket add-ons. Most consumers want and need ICE cars, and this will be the case for a very long time to come. However, if hydrogen fuel (using green hydrogen) becomes viable, both in fuel cell EVs as well as ICE cars, then things may turn around - the operative word being 'may'.
The EU and Europeans are rolling back from what they've supported simply because they are not on the vantage point on EV manufacturing and related infrastructure.
@@MMLL369 that is true but the hydrogen fantasy will not be reality for another 100 years if ever. The sheer production and logistics of a hydrogen future is insane to pursue. I believe that they only talk about it because they lost the EV race and are trying to cover it up
The EU's mandate on EV conversion for everyone is meeting significant resistance because society fundamentally doesn't like being told what to do. The fact that EVs are 20%-50% more expensive (and poorer quality because the EU insists on loading them with more technology that has to be paid for by reduction of spend in other areas) will obviously come up against sheer affordability. The lack of a decent charging network and the social awkwardness of asking your host if you can recharge your car when visiting distant friends (or turning up an hour late because you had to charge en route) also plays against the whole concept of EV usage. The EU has inflicted a mortal wound on the motor industry, which only can bring a smile to the faces of the Chinese competitors. They are out for blood.
@@FlyingScud It’s not only socially in bad taste to ask your host to pay for your trip there, at the higher evening rates, if he’s having a party, only one person gets to charge for a couple hours, and since it’s not fast charging at home, only one car. And don’t forget all of his guests must park fifty feet from all buildings.
Have the royal family of Brussels ever had real jobs? do they have long term experience in business? Do they even have the faintest idea of what it takes to develop a new car? Unrealistic EU Mandates are going to destroy European engineering and manufacturing. I’m retired now after a lifetime working in the automotive industry, imagine how I feel.
You enjoyed the golden era of the motorcar, I would not want to be anywhere near the industry now. Of course it is unpleasant to see the sector destroyed by greedy incompetent politicians.
Die Deutschen wollten perfekte E- Fahrzeuge bauen. Das ging in die Hose. Keiner kauft diese zu teuren Fahrzeuge. Tesla und China gehen den richtigen Weg. Wer ein Auto braucht und arbeiten gehen muß, der will ein günstiges Fahrzeug. Das gibt es in Deutschland nicht und wenn, dann kommt es nicht weit. Tesla und China werden den Markt aufmischen, denn sie liefern günstigere Fahrzeuge, die die Menschen befördern und die Umwelt schonen. Allein das Chaos an den Ladestationen ist bezeichnend für den Zustand unseres Landes. Das haben die Holländer super gelöst. Wir waren mal gut und innovativ. Heute sind wir nur noch „und“.
They aren't realistic. They also aren't needed. EVs will outsell ICE very soon. Peak ice was over half a decade ago in 2017. While EVs have been on the rise. As EV prices fall with plummeting battery costs, you'll soon need rocks in your head to spend more on an ICE car over an EV.
@@DanielWillis-q2g EV sales depended on the 3 F's, Fans, Fleets and gov Freebies. The Fans all now have one, the Fleets are at saturation point, and gov Freebies that was the sweetener is gone, so sales are no in terminal decline. ICE engines will probably still be here when EV's are a dim memory.
The points made ARE spurious,........THE MAIN reason is LACK OF MONEY BY any future buyers, this IS certainly true if you live in starmers socialist UK where TAX TAX & more TAX are the absolute NO 1 item.
The Hydrogen alternative is a loosing proposition from very basic issue of COST and EFFICIENCY. We know that H2 is expensive to produce and to deliver also in transforming into kinetic energy. Loosing early should not responded by pivoting to other technology which is obvious is a loosing one.
Perhaps the days of the status car are over, and with it, the demise of the premium brands? As a petrol head that saddens me but then with the vast consultation goes in to any car, car makers need to be more controlled about how quickly new cars are introduced to cool the market and give time to really ensure a new product is fit for purpose.
Not status cars but what you call petrol heads -- people who make their hobby cars with engines and transmissions. Perhaps there won't be something similar - EV heads - in the future.
I have driven BMW for years, and I have had every M3-M4 apart from the first E30. At this moment in time, I'm driving a BMW M4 G82. There is no way I will be buying an EV unless I'm forced too.
I needec a car, searched a long time, I can afford a new one, and .... bought finally a 20 year old diesel, without DPF, without electronic, without LED Light, without EGR. And I'm happy with it.
They should explore vegetable oils, recycling cooking oils, and continue with ethanol. These show more promise than electric. We don’t have the electrical infrastructure.
Country's need to understand most or majority can't afford these EVs,they are to expensive for most people plus there's the infrastructure which is not in place we still need oilandgas end off
IF EV'S r successful by 2035 as planned what happens to all the gas stations & all the uncollected gas taxes. EV trucks are impossible and still need fuel infrastructure 😅
Compressed air engines might be a better way to go. EVs for all cars would be unsustainable for a start its not even a green solution as it uses toxic materials. No C02=No Plants=No humans. Single large compressors powered by various fuels could fill up a car far quicker than battery charging. Being just compressed air there would not be any exhaust other than hot air. Compressed air powered cars were used in WW2 so the technology is already developed using standard car engines with just a bit of tweeking.
@@gj91471 That's a blatant lie. Check your facts. ICE hybrids are the only real alternative to any system. Full EV car batteries cost at least half the price of a car to replace! And that is definitely, not the case with ICE powered hybrids.
I bought a BMW i3 and with only 2300 miles in showroom condition, 20 months old, they offer me 33% of the original sale price. I was so p*ssed that I walked away from upgrading to an iX.
Germany has a choice between shifting to affordable ev’s, losing maybe 100.000 jobs. The alternative is keep producing ice cars. This will eventually lead to 1.000.000 jobs lost. By the way, all sectors in Europe’s industry has a shortage of manpower. This could be solved by 1000.000 production staff from the cat R industry.
Correction: 1) EVs are not too expensive. Unless you are referring to EVs made in EU or America. 2) Nowadays there are EVs that can travel up to a thousand km on a single charge. So what range you are looking for? Up to 2,000 km? 3) Again new EVs battery can be charged pretty quick. Like the Zeekr that can charge from 10% to 80% in slightly over 10 minutes.
At the moment 100% EV's by 2035 is a pipe dream. The charging infrastructure can't support it, battery technology doesn't allow for extended range, charging times are too slow, and recycling used batteries will be a problem. Industry will dictate what the future is for new vehicles based on affordability to manufacture and the cost to the consumer. Governments are not likecorporations because they don't rely on profitability to sustain themselves; they simply raise taxes when they want more funding or deficit spend.
“Facing mounting pressure and a shrinking market…” except that EV sales are up everywhere. I don’t care if you don’t like EVs but don’t change facts to fit your story.
Who is going to pay for the hydrogen network. Most european countries only have 1-2 fuelling stations 6 countries have none. Tesla has no problem making profits on making and selling EVs in Germany and Europe. Germany ev sales went down because Germany and france stopped the EV subsidies. New car sales in Sweden now 85% EV. BMW biggest problem is that much of their profit came from China and China is phasing out ICE cars this year more than 40% are EV
Most cars are built out of painted spot welded steel. Pure heavy junk. Cars need a simpler blueprint, and components such as motor drivetrains should be coming from separate companies, so they will be more standard. The horsepower per passenger is completely ridiculous. A family wagon should weigh a few hundred pounds.
Use to like BMW cars when growing up would never buy one now unreliable, expensive and using cheap plastic components instead of metal parts.EV is not the way to go battery costs too expensive when cars become older.
Who would have thought that reliance on an aggressive imperialist communist party state on the other side of the planet - could be a bad idea? We have such excellent experience on replying on a European imperialist gas station, right.... so you figure this is the way to go?
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You’d think EU experience with weaponization of Russian oil would quickly change their future energy strategy. It’s time for EU to embrace an EU First to support its businesses and citizens. It’s a National Strategic policy for independence from countries not favorable to Western countries.
Where are you going to put hydrogen in your car. The UK has about 8 public fueling stations mainly near London. Scotland has 1, Wales and all of Ireland none. Hydrogen not cheap.
Zipse thinks we'd like to pay €400 per fill of hydrogen or €600 per fill of synthetic fuel, just because BMW wants to build old-fashioned engines. 🤣🤣🤣🤣The man probably didn't have physics at school, how is it possible that someone with so little knowledge of physics is in such a position? 😱😱😱😱 Laws of physics mandatory states: Hydrogen efficiency wind/solar to wheel: 22%, Synthetic fuel costs per liter: €8,-
however: what shall we do with the plenty of energy produced with the household solar cells in peak hours? one plausible solution is to convert it to H2?
@@mortenvanlinden567Yes H2! But not for cars.....H2 is very useful for fertilizers, iron melting in blast furnaces and other heavy Industries: they have no other environmental friendly alternatives.
I hate BMW. I bought 2 "NEW" BMW's 325i, and X5, right after another, and both were unreliable. I missed so much time from work and loss a lot of money on repairs. I hope they go out of business.
Hydrogen is a dead end street both from a storage and conversion view. Hydrogen is a cover for legacy brands failure to make the transition. CEO's are gaslighting non technical investors with H2 and E-fuels. The top ten in the US of EV/hybrid cars with the most stock expressed in average sales days included some 4 BMW models There is an abundance of lithium. In contrast to the more ore less static Internal combustion engine both electric motors and especially battery technology is advancing fast with no end in sight yet. EV are outperforming ICE on: -power, -torque, -efficiency and soon on range too, -mechanical complexity no transmission and far less parts, -safety (required to protect the battery anyway), -production technology (mega castings), high voltage 48V board net -software defined cars soon including real probably autonomous driving -life time not being subject to the wear and tear resulting from that internal combustion vibration and heat All (if you aware of exception please react) legacy car makers are experiencing their Kodak/Nokia moment and very few will survive. Current ICE supercars Lamborgini, Ferrari and so on are not able to compete with a Tesla S Plaid or a Xiaomi with more power at a fraction of the price The flight of ICE into the luxury segment is running into problems too.
Note: I do object to an ideologically driven mandatory switch to EV. EV will do well on their own merit anyway. Mandates force uneconomical decisions. We are not a plan economy (yet?).
If EVs are that wonderful, why have governments had to step in with tax breaks, discounts and all the other incentives. As one economist said, “make a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door “ a good product will sell itself.
A year or two ago, I would have agreed with you on almost all points. I have even started an initiative to set up 12 charging stations in a communal area. And I might even buy a small electric car for the city soon. Nevertheless, I have strong doubts that electric cars will prevail in the medium term. I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that electric cars are and will remain a niche product. -Drive power, yes, but is not nearly as important -Torque. Yes, it's fun. But it wears off after a while. Range is more important. -Efficiency, only if you look at the direct energy consumption. On the other hand, there are other disadvantages that are more important to me as a normal driver. Range, payload and trailer load are definitely important in practice. -No, Teslas are safer, but not a Dacia Spring. -Magacasting has nothing to do with electric cars. I looked at complex aluminum castings at trade fairs 30 years ago. 48 volts also works in other cars. -Yes, but more expensive and more vulnerable parts. That is only a theoretical advantage. If I have to spend a fortune on a single part, the battery, then the advantage is of little use to me. That's the reason why electric cars are so expensive. If that were true in practice, then all electric car manufacturers would be money-printing machines. But they are not. I think only Tesla and BYD are making money at the moment. And part of that is credits from other manufacturers and subsidies. - Yes, software is becoming increasingly important. But it has nothing to do with electric. The problem is that European and especially German software developers can no longer think straight because of data protection. They were systematically taught this during their studies. (Just my personal opinion, fuck data protection) -Yes, in theory you're right. However, the high discounts on used electric cars indicate that things could be different in practice. Time will tell. Your Kodak comparison is flawed. Kodak's problem was that they earned money from the follow-up products. Nokia's problem was that their smartphones could do so much more than the old Nokia bones. My original analogy was the advent of sports shoes. They were no better than well-made leather shoes, but could be produced much more cheaply. Also, electric cars theoretically have much lower barriers to entry. In my area, some small companies have turned new combustion SUVs into stylish electric cars. We're talking about 3-man operations here. But I don't see that small businesses have any say today. Only a vertically integrated state-owned mega cooperation like BYD can produce cheaply. My confidence that electric cars are the future began to waver when the state paid purchase premiums for electric cars and quotas were increasingly demanded from manufacturers. The electric cars that I find interesting are exorbitantly expensive and were only sold in homeopathic doses (e.g. Jaguar E-Pace 150 units for the whole of Germany !!) or had. Massive delivery problems (Audi Etron, Skoda Enyak). The VW E-up, the only VW electric car that VW could sell in large numbers, was discontinued by VW and previously only sold at inflated prices. The earning structure of electric car sales is such that dealers have no interest in selling these great future-oriented cars to customers. Fundamental problems such as insufficient local distribution networks are not being tackled by politicians in Germany. Instead, the problem is to be solved via land management. In other words, a cheap solution. WFT. In some cases, wallboxes are no longer approved if more than 2 electric vehicles charge in the street. One German municipality has completely stopped approving wallboxes. How are we going to achieve 100% electric by 2035? Charging at public charging points is still a problem. Some e-car drivers estimate that 10% of all charging attempts, for non-Tesla vehicles, fail in Germany. I asked an experienced electrical engineer why this is the case. He has no explanation. Electricity is electricity. With a properly defined interface, this shouldn't really be a problem. But it is. Prices for public charging stations have risen dramatically. If you can't charge with your own PV system, you save little or no money. For the extra 10,000 euros that an electric car costs, you can fill up a lot. Chaos cards. Up to 70 Card in GER. For me as a consumer, I can't see why I should have a charging card at all. I don't need one at the filling station either. After a lot of complaining, there are now probably the first charging points where I can pay by credit card. You can even pay cash at the ARAL petrol station chain. Why not just like that from the begining? Oh, but I wrote a lot about that. That is frustration and disappointment. I used to believe in electric cars. Yes. Faith is the right word.
Incredibly flawed policy to force EVS onto at best, a market that is already best served with an established infrastructure and plentiful fuel supply. Led by “Let’s go Green” environmental Government thinking as opposed to consumer demand. Whilst there is plenty of the black stuff to be extracted the adoption to electric will continue to struggle.
i'm not an expert, nor do i have a fancy degree from an ivy league or g5 university, but as this is not rocket science and even a kindergartner knows, that in a rapidly changing world, when you choose to go at your own pace or get stuck in your previous fame and glory, this is what will happen. in the 80s, american automakers faced challenges from japanese automakers, then starting in 1997, japanese automakers faced this challenge from south korean automakers, and now, all the world's automakers face this challenge from one american automaker and many chinese automakers. just like nokia, soon, these giant automakers will perish if they don't want to change (e.g. gm and vw - to large to fail companies). all they can do now is construct and make a completely different kind of renewable energy vehicle (e.g, methane to electric or others), and build a network of all the essential and necessary supporting infrastructure to support it, and it has to be done quickly and in the very near future, or, you can choose to compete head to head with the vehicle manufacturers from china. i have to admit, to be honest, china makes good cars at low prices, for example wuling cloud ev, byd dolphin, etc.
EV’s........ Dunno........ “Extremely Volatile”?! Buses...Cars....Lorries?! It just doesn’t make sense Carrying 500 Kilograms Of batteries in a tin box?! Just have to wait while they invent “Accessing the electric power externally while moving....Without cables but Electromagnetic pulsing?!”
Complete nonsense. In 2023, the BMW Group sold over 566,000 plug-in cars, including over 376,000 all-electric cars (up 74.4% year-over-year). BEVs represented 14.7% of the total volume-almost in line with the 15% target.
I had to stop at point number one. I can't believe you too ignore the mathematics and economics of hydrogen to throw in with the "fool" cell nonsense. EVs aren't slowing down - BMW EV sales are slowing down.
Look, imho the EV's look _ugly_ . The height/length ratio is odd. This is due to the battery cell. [ A nice looking car is eg. the F36 BMW] Thus, as long as we do not have solid state accu's [ with higher energy density], the problem will not be solved. Indeed, BMW produces Autobahn-limousine. What do you do on the highway? You drive very fast ( ~180-200 km/h ), on long distances. Not with the current battery technology. With that, you rather build small city cars [ i3]. Bad luck for BMW, who is famous for the Autobahn-limousine. And this problem is made more serious by the new "" design" "language" of BMW. The dexterity and the elegance of their cars disappeared in oder that it appeals to the Chinese and yankee customers, who prefer the aggressive and villain style. [ An absolute disaster is the grille on the new 4er BMW, the 7er and the iX]. This does not correspond to the European taste. [ Maybe if a French or Northern European gets the chief designer position again and not a Serbian - who says that the cars should not look good, they should look "remarkable". Nope.]
Over time the general public will realise EV cars are more reliable and last much longer than ICE cars. By 2030 there will be many ten year old EVs running around with 2-300k miles on the clock cheap to buy, cheap to run and perfectly reliable.
The UN Global Party has dictated what the global market wants……..😂😂😂supranational government can’t dictate free markets, this idiocy is doomed to fail without more tyranny.
BMW a driving garbage can made from plastic, materials don't last, for more then $100000 you should buy a shinese car. Chinese cars are less expensive and better quality.
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The climate crisis has provided the perfect cover story for the biggest transfer of wealth in human history !
Whether you believe CO2 is a problem, or not ? It's glaringly obvious that the so called solutions on offer have done nothing for the climate, or to curtail the excesses of the uber rich, the opposite in fact, it has concentrated wealth in their hands to the point they now have oligarchical status, immune from accountability, they meddle wherever they see fit with little fear of the consequences.
As for the common people ? The middle class have joined the working poor, and the working poor are being groomed for the fact that they will be needed no more, as technology will soon replace them, technology that is so hungry for energy, that the common people are being conditioned to accept less, so that a greater share can go to the technologies that will inevitably be used to control them !
The cheapest BMW EV starts at $58,000, simple economics.
$58,000 is a top premium price for a car. I thought EVs were supposed to be $15,000 cheap cars that everyone could afford. Electric motors are cheap and have been around forever. Are they using braking recharge? An electric motor per wheel?
Can they get the batteries off the bottom where they get damaged and in the back or front where they can be fire walled off from the passengers?
Chinese EV's are better and cheaper.
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Yes BMW’s cost too much! I had 4 BMW LEASES, FINALLY SAID THE COST WAS JUST TOO EXPENSIVE. THE LAST CAR I TURNED IN ONLY HAD 7800 miles on a 3 year lease. BMW still charged me $1400 usd because I turned in the car early!
@@jeffereylew581 Run stupid contests, win stupid prizes!
There is one main reason for dismal sales of German EVs: Super high prices. In Australia the base iX30 is $160,000. With that money I can buy a Mercedes C63. Or 3 BYD EVs, or 2.5 Tesla Model 3s!
BMW had a superb EV called the i3, but they binned it as it was not big enough for their image. They all need to stop this obsession with big, heavy, cars in general and start producing more practical vehicles.
Correct, super light weight I’ve still got two of them 😊😊
Yes, problem is that BMW is famous for the highway-limousines. Which are big and robust [ long distance, high speed]
The cars may be prices as a premium car, but when you will buy upgrades the prices explodes. The comptetion is often all inclusive…
Since the beginning of time the market and demand has dictated what consumers want. The EV car is trying to buck that trend. Used prices for ICE are increasing
Who wants a used EV when the cost of replacing a faulty battery is more than the entire car is worth?
EVs is the worst "investment" anyone can do right now. The growing EV crisis due to explosive, poisonous battery fires, will make the used EV market plummet. You could buy 4 new cars for the price of one EVs lifetime. Risking your life at home while charging, when driving or if you like most people some day experience a small collision, is not something people are willing to do. Even less so if they have small children or pets in the car.
ICE cars burn much more often than EVs…
Just wanna point out that, with very few exceptional individual cases, buying a passenger vehicle has never been an "investment" but rather an expense unless the vehicle could generate income during its lifetime such as taxis, trucks or other utility vehicles.
I never got to understand how some folks would actually placing buying a house vs buy a car head-to-head; they could be put together as the first and second most expensive spending in a lifetime of common folks, definitely not investment though. Just saying.
Fires in all types of car are extremely rare. Internal combustion engine cars are more likely to catch fire than EVs. Hydrides are more likely to catch fire than both ICE and electric vehicles.
@@grahamf695 Sure bro, ICE related fires are happening on a daily basis around the globe for decades, so often that they don't get reported anymore. On the other hand, EV fires are hot news.
Cars are not an investment
Auto executives must be smoking some good stuff. Hydrogen?? How about an episode going over why hydrogen is an energy negative concept. You can't get the energy out that you put in separating hydrogen from water and it still doesn't make sense when you use the more common natural gas source. Please, get real with some of these observations.
It's like using a regular battery-powered flashlight to power a solar-powered flashlight. 🤭🤭
I had that idea years ago along with de-hydrated water, but couldn't sell the idea to anyone😃
EV apps in America can't connect to your phone's hotspot. Ridiculous.
Here in the US copper thieves rip off the charging stations, so you can’t charge your car! I know one area charging stations have not been repaired for almost 2 years!
Too expensive. Too ugly. Not hard for Oliver to work out and solve!
Very few private buyers want EV's . . . And the early business EV adopters are replacing with Plugin Hybrids (to get tax break)
Hydrogen isnt the solution, it takes alot of energy to create it. Energy that is coal and gas powerplants. Also hydrogen is hard to store. Not to mention exhaust from hydrogen in winter wich is water would turn highways in ice.
Thanks, I never thought of the icy highway situation since I live in the warmer part of the world.
The vehicle could catch all the water and make it available to the driver to drink. Problem solved!
BEV's also don't work in freezing temperatures.
What IS the solution then?
@hunchanchoc8418 Solution to what? What if human caused climate change is a myth? What if changes in temperature are due to variations in our own sun? Can you do anything about that?
The entire European car industry has been shackled by the EU's and UK government's 'net zero' obsessive legislation. The EV market is saturated, the situation exacerbated by plummeting residuals. BMW (and more acutely, Jaguar) have put all their eggs in the EV basket, and could tank (as could VW and Stellantis). BMW has not helped itself by increasingly hideous designs (as are Mercedes EVs), and dashboards that look like cheap, aftermarket add-ons. Most consumers want and need ICE cars, and this will be the case for a very long time to come. However, if hydrogen fuel (using green hydrogen) becomes viable, both in fuel cell EVs as well as ICE cars, then things may turn around - the operative word being 'may'.
If ev didn’t work out then sure as hell hydrogen cells won’t 💀
The EU and Europeans are rolling back from what they've supported simply because they are not on the vantage point on EV manufacturing and related infrastructure.
@@MMLL369 that is true but the hydrogen fantasy will not be reality for another 100 years if ever. The sheer production and logistics of a hydrogen future is insane to pursue. I believe that they only talk about it because they lost the EV race and are trying to cover it up
No one restricts hydrogen-powered cars.
But obviously, this product will make investors lose money.
The EU's mandate on EV conversion for everyone is meeting significant resistance because society fundamentally doesn't like being told what to do. The fact that EVs are 20%-50% more expensive (and poorer quality because the EU insists on loading them with more technology that has to be paid for by reduction of spend in other areas) will obviously come up against sheer affordability. The lack of a decent charging network and the social awkwardness of asking your host if you can recharge your car when visiting distant friends (or turning up an hour late because you had to charge en route) also plays against the whole concept of EV usage. The EU has inflicted a mortal wound on the motor industry, which only can bring a smile to the faces of the Chinese competitors. They are out for blood.
@@FlyingScud
It’s not only socially in bad taste to ask your host to pay for your trip there, at the higher evening rates, if he’s having a party, only one person gets to charge for a couple hours, and since it’s not fast charging at home, only one car. And don’t forget all of his guests must park fifty feet from all buildings.
Their best EV are better than Tesla or the Chinese but the price is a bit stiff.
Have the royal family of Brussels ever had real jobs? do they have long term experience in business? Do they even have the faintest idea of what it takes to develop a new car? Unrealistic EU Mandates are going to destroy European engineering and manufacturing.
I’m retired now after a lifetime working in the automotive industry, imagine how I feel.
You enjoyed the golden era of the motorcar, I would not want to be anywhere near the industry now. Of course it is unpleasant to see the sector destroyed by greedy incompetent politicians.
The ICE ban started with the proposal submitted to the EU parliament by Denmark in 2018, a country that doesn't even manufacture bicycles. LoL
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This shows that Danes have the highest environmental awareness.
@@amandagrant4331 Or the most unrealistic vision of the future.
Die Deutschen wollten perfekte E- Fahrzeuge bauen. Das ging in die Hose. Keiner kauft diese zu teuren Fahrzeuge. Tesla und China gehen den richtigen Weg. Wer ein Auto braucht und arbeiten gehen muß, der will ein günstiges Fahrzeug. Das gibt es in Deutschland nicht und wenn, dann kommt es nicht weit. Tesla und China werden den Markt aufmischen, denn sie liefern günstigere Fahrzeuge, die die Menschen befördern und die Umwelt schonen. Allein das Chaos an den Ladestationen ist bezeichnend für den Zustand unseres Landes. Das haben die Holländer super gelöst. Wir waren mal gut und innovativ. Heute sind wir nur noch „und“.
The mandates were never realistic
They aren't realistic. They also aren't needed. EVs will outsell ICE very soon. Peak ice was over half a decade ago in 2017. While EVs have been on the rise. As EV prices fall with plummeting battery costs, you'll soon need rocks in your head to spend more on an ICE car over an EV.
@@DanielWillis-q2gDream on, EV's suck.
@@DanielWillis-q2g EV sales depended on the 3 F's, Fans, Fleets and gov Freebies. The Fans all now have one, the Fleets are at saturation point, and gov Freebies that was the sweetener is gone, so sales are no in terminal decline. ICE engines will probably still be here when EV's are a dim memory.
Try pulling a trailer with an EV!
Hint: doesnt work!
The points made ARE spurious,........THE MAIN reason is LACK OF MONEY BY any future buyers, this IS certainly true if you live in starmers socialist UK where TAX TAX & more TAX are the absolute NO 1 item.
Don't matter who
Makes EVS
They are not the future
The Hydrogen alternative is a loosing proposition from very basic issue of COST and EFFICIENCY. We know that H2 is expensive to produce and to deliver also in transforming into kinetic energy. Loosing early should not responded by pivoting to other technology which is obvious is a loosing one.
Perhaps the days of the status car are over, and with it, the demise of the premium brands? As a petrol head that saddens me but then with the vast consultation goes in to any car, car makers need to be more controlled about how quickly new cars are introduced to cool the market and give time to really ensure a new product is fit for purpose.
Not status cars but what you call petrol heads -- people who make their hobby cars with engines and transmissions. Perhaps there won't be something similar - EV heads - in the future.
Why would any Western government what to give subsidies to people buying Chinese made battery cars
You buy a BMW for the engine, not an electric motor.
I have driven BMW for years, and I have had every M3-M4 apart from the first E30. At this moment in time, I'm driving a BMW M4 G82. There is no way I will be buying an EV unless I'm forced too.
I needec a car, searched a long time, I can afford a new one, and .... bought finally a 20 year old diesel, without DPF, without electronic, without LED Light, without EGR. And I'm happy with it.
EGR is asking your engine to sniff its own farts!😆
They should explore vegetable oils, recycling cooking oils, and continue with ethanol. These show more promise than electric. We don’t have the electrical infrastructure.
These have been explored for a long time, but failed.
Country's need to understand most or majority can't afford these EVs,they are to expensive for most people plus there's the infrastructure which is not in place we still need oilandgas end off
IF EV'S r successful by 2035 as planned what happens to all the gas stations & all the uncollected gas taxes. EV trucks are impossible and still need fuel infrastructure 😅
Compressed air engines might be a better way to go. EVs for all cars would be unsustainable for a start its not even a green solution as it uses toxic materials. No C02=No Plants=No humans. Single large compressors powered by various fuels could fill up a car far quicker than battery charging. Being just compressed air there would not be any exhaust other than hot air. Compressed air powered cars were used in WW2 so the technology is already developed using standard car engines with just a bit of tweeking.
It's not rocket science. Electric assisted ICE hybrids are the only true option we have at this point.
No.....Hybrid's have A Lithium battery and a Hybrid System that costs more than the price of the Car to fix......in some cases
@@gj91471 That's a blatant lie. Check your facts. ICE hybrids are the only real alternative to any system. Full EV car batteries cost at least half the price of a car to replace! And that is definitely, not the case with ICE powered hybrids.
Hybrids are the highest at risk of fire, why add the complexity of two forms of propulsion when ICE cars have proven to be the best mode of transport?
Nobody wants to pay top dollar for a badge. Simple as that. Thanks to Chinese innovation, consumers have more choices.
I bought a BMW i3 and with only 2300 miles in showroom condition, 20 months old, they offer me 33% of the original sale price. I was so p*ssed that I walked away from upgrading to an iX.
TWO thousand miles in 20 months? You'd be better off with a pushbike.
Aren't European customers savvy enough to not buy Chinese vehicles. I am.
COVID proved how stupid most people are.... Like lemmings off a cliff!
Germany has a choice between shifting to affordable ev’s, losing maybe 100.000 jobs. The alternative is keep producing ice cars. This will eventually lead to 1.000.000 jobs lost. By the way, all sectors in Europe’s industry has a shortage of manpower. This could be solved by 1000.000 production staff from the cat
R industry.
If I wanted to buy a milk float, I would buy one to deliver milk not fit for purpose
Look how ugly the latest models of BMW are. No wonder people won't buy those. 👀
Well, the EV cars all have front grilles that look like they're made of Fablon (sticky back printed plastic)
It's this simple : 1) EVs are too expensive, 2) The range is not yet far enough, 3) It takes too long to 'refuel'.
and they look ugly.
Correction: 1) EVs are not too expensive. Unless you are referring to EVs made in EU or America.
2) Nowadays there are EVs that can travel up to a thousand km on a single charge. So what range you are looking for? Up to 2,000 km?
3) Again new EVs battery can be charged pretty quick. Like the Zeekr that can charge from 10% to 80% in slightly over 10 minutes.
@@jmchng9662 ...4) EV battery make more damage to nature and "climate change" than ICE (euro 6 is just fine)
At the moment 100% EV's by 2035 is a pipe dream. The charging infrastructure can't support it, battery technology doesn't allow for extended range, charging times are too slow, and recycling used batteries will be a problem. Industry will dictate what the future is for new vehicles based on affordability to manufacture and the cost to the consumer. Governments are not likecorporations because they don't rely on profitability to sustain themselves; they simply raise taxes when they want more funding or deficit spend.
The EU 'ban' will have to be rescinded, and market forces will see to that.
They should have gone for hybrids first rather than fully battery cars.
If BMW frontal appearance was less ugly, maybe they would shift more vehicles.
If everybody in the world was like me there wouldn't be one single EV on the roads.
I dont pay +10K€ extra for a BMW compared to another car
Uggly, technology, lower quality, price, re-selling market
Hydrogen doesn't work either!
It’s not just BMW it’s every ICE car manufacturer.
German car repair cost is unimaginable. It's just stupid. Unnecessary complex designs.
Complexity is the enemy of reliability...
“Facing mounting pressure and a shrinking market…” except that EV sales are up everywhere. I don’t care if you don’t like EVs but don’t change facts to fit your story.
PRICE REALLY
Who is going to pay for the hydrogen network. Most european countries only have 1-2 fuelling stations 6 countries have none.
Tesla has no problem making profits on making and selling EVs in Germany and Europe.
Germany ev sales went down because Germany and france stopped the EV subsidies. New car sales in Sweden now 85% EV. BMW biggest problem is that much of their profit came from China and China is phasing out ICE cars this year more than 40% are EV
Whether hydrogen or not, it ain't 100% EV's! That was blindingly obvious from the start!
Sweden new car registrations this year are 80% EV
Give hydrogen a chance. It could be a real game changer.
the CEO is called Zipse, not Sipsi
If BMW truly wants to save itself, drop EV's entirely. 😔
The price is the problem !
BMWs are too expensive and their cars are too ugly. A killer combination.
Burn coal to charge battery cars, smart?
BEVs had a 50% market share 100 years ago but then declined, for good reasons.
No sympathy as EV’s are not the future & people don’t want tanks when BMW is supposed to be the ultimate drivers car….
Not a fan of the thought of hydrogen
Most cars are built out of painted spot welded steel. Pure heavy junk. Cars need a simpler blueprint, and components such as motor drivetrains should be coming from separate companies, so they will be more standard. The horsepower per passenger is completely ridiculous. A family wagon should weigh a few hundred pounds.
BMW is not a car any more, it is a gadget.
Use to like BMW cars when growing up would never buy one now unreliable, expensive and using cheap plastic components instead of metal parts.EV is not the way to go battery costs too expensive when cars become older.
Journalists and technology... Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are EVs. I think you guys wanted to pit them against Battery EVs, not EVs.
Who would have thought that reliance on an aggressive imperialist communist party state on the other side of the planet - could be a bad idea?
We have such excellent experience on replying on a European imperialist gas station, right.... so you figure this is the way to go?
BMW should take the initiative to withdraw from the China market and then vigorously develop the North American market.
WE DONT WANT EV WE DONT WANT EV WE DONT WANT EV WE DONT WANT EV WE DONT WANT EV WE DONT WANT EV WE DONT WANT EV WE DONT WANT EV WE DONT WANT EV WE DONT WANT EV WE DONT WANT EV WE DONT WANT EV WE DONT WANT EV
You’d think EU experience with weaponization of Russian oil would quickly change their future energy strategy. It’s time for EU to embrace an EU First to support its businesses and citizens. It’s a National Strategic policy for independence from countries not favorable to Western countries.
A BMW that runs on hundreds of little batteries all glued together is funny.
I would choose hydrogen over EV every time.
Where are you going to put hydrogen in your car. The UK has about 8 public fueling stations mainly near London. Scotland has 1, Wales and all of Ireland none. Hydrogen not cheap.
Zipse thinks we'd like to pay €400 per fill of hydrogen or €600 per fill of synthetic fuel, just because BMW wants to build old-fashioned engines. 🤣🤣🤣🤣The man probably didn't have physics at school, how is it possible that someone with so little knowledge of physics is in such a position? 😱😱😱😱 Laws of physics mandatory states:
Hydrogen efficiency wind/solar to wheel: 22%, Synthetic fuel costs per liter: €8,-
however: what shall we do with the plenty of energy produced with the household solar cells in peak hours? one plausible solution is to convert it to H2?
@@mortenvanlinden567Yes H2! But not for cars.....H2 is very useful for fertilizers, iron melting in blast furnaces and other heavy Industries: they have no other environmental friendly alternatives.
I hate BMW. I bought 2 "NEW" BMW's 325i, and X5, right after another, and both were unreliable. I missed so much time from work and loss a lot of money on repairs. I hope they go out of business.
BMW stands for Wallet
Bring
My
Wallet
Their EV lineup is so cheaply produced. It’s literally yugo quality materials and finishes.
An EV is a worse investment than a mobile phone...simple.
Hydrogen is a dead end street both from a storage and conversion view.
Hydrogen is a cover for legacy brands failure to make the transition.
CEO's are gaslighting non technical investors with H2 and E-fuels.
The top ten in the US of EV/hybrid cars with the most stock expressed in average sales days included some 4 BMW models
There is an abundance of lithium.
In contrast to the more ore less static Internal combustion engine both electric motors and especially battery technology is advancing fast with no end in sight yet.
EV are outperforming ICE on:
-power,
-torque,
-efficiency and soon on range too,
-mechanical complexity no transmission and far less parts,
-safety (required to protect the battery anyway),
-production technology (mega castings), high voltage 48V board net
-software defined cars soon including real probably autonomous driving
-life time not being subject to the wear and tear resulting from that internal combustion vibration and heat
All (if you aware of exception please react) legacy car makers are experiencing their Kodak/Nokia moment and very few will survive.
Current ICE supercars Lamborgini, Ferrari and so on are not able to compete with a Tesla S Plaid or a Xiaomi with more power at a fraction of the price
The flight of ICE into the luxury segment is running into problems too.
Note: I do object to an ideologically driven mandatory switch to EV. EV will do well on their own merit anyway. Mandates force uneconomical decisions. We are not a plan economy (yet?).
If EVs are that wonderful, why have governments had to step in with tax breaks, discounts and all the other incentives. As one economist said, “make a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door “ a good product will sell itself.
A year or two ago, I would have agreed with you on almost all points. I have even started an initiative to set up 12 charging stations in a communal area. And I might even buy a small electric car for the city soon. Nevertheless, I have strong doubts that electric cars will prevail in the medium term. I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that electric cars are and will remain a niche product.
-Drive power, yes, but is not nearly as important
-Torque. Yes, it's fun. But it wears off after a while. Range is more important.
-Efficiency, only if you look at the direct energy consumption. On the other hand, there are other disadvantages that are more important to me as a normal driver. Range, payload and trailer load are definitely important in practice.
-No, Teslas are safer, but not a Dacia Spring.
-Magacasting has nothing to do with electric cars. I looked at complex aluminum castings at trade fairs 30 years ago. 48 volts also works in other cars.
-Yes, but more expensive and more vulnerable parts. That is only a theoretical advantage. If I have to spend a fortune on a single part, the battery, then the advantage is of little use to me. That's the reason why electric cars are so expensive. If that were true in practice, then all electric car manufacturers would be money-printing machines. But they are not. I think only Tesla and BYD are making money at the moment. And part of that is credits from other manufacturers and subsidies.
- Yes, software is becoming increasingly important. But it has nothing to do with electric. The problem is that European and especially German software developers can no longer think straight because of data protection. They were systematically taught this during their studies. (Just my personal opinion, fuck data protection)
-Yes, in theory you're right. However, the high discounts on used electric cars indicate that things could be different in practice. Time will tell.
Your Kodak comparison is flawed. Kodak's problem was that they earned money from the follow-up products. Nokia's problem was that their smartphones could do so much more than the old Nokia bones. My original analogy was the advent of sports shoes. They were no better than well-made leather shoes, but could be produced much more cheaply. Also, electric cars theoretically have much lower barriers to entry. In my area, some small companies have turned new combustion SUVs into stylish electric cars. We're talking about 3-man operations here. But I don't see that small businesses have any say today. Only a vertically integrated state-owned mega cooperation like BYD can produce cheaply.
My confidence that electric cars are the future began to waver when the state paid purchase premiums for electric cars and quotas were increasingly demanded from manufacturers. The electric cars that I find interesting are exorbitantly expensive and were only sold in homeopathic doses (e.g. Jaguar E-Pace 150 units for the whole of Germany !!) or had. Massive delivery problems (Audi Etron, Skoda Enyak). The VW E-up, the only VW electric car that VW could sell in large numbers, was discontinued by VW and previously only sold at inflated prices. The earning structure of electric car sales is such that dealers have no interest in selling these great future-oriented cars to customers.
Fundamental problems such as insufficient local distribution networks are not being tackled by politicians in Germany. Instead, the problem is to be solved via land management. In other words, a cheap solution. WFT. In some cases, wallboxes are no longer approved if more than 2 electric vehicles charge in the street. One German municipality has completely stopped approving wallboxes. How are we going to achieve 100% electric by 2035?
Charging at public charging points is still a problem. Some e-car drivers estimate that 10% of all charging attempts, for non-Tesla vehicles, fail in Germany. I asked an experienced electrical engineer why this is the case. He has no explanation. Electricity is electricity. With a properly defined interface, this shouldn't really be a problem. But it is.
Prices for public charging stations have risen dramatically. If you can't charge with your own PV system, you save little or no money. For the extra 10,000 euros that an electric car costs, you can fill up a lot.
Chaos cards. Up to 70 Card in GER. For me as a consumer, I can't see why I should have a charging card at all. I don't need one at the filling station either. After a lot of complaining, there are now probably the first charging points where I can pay by credit card. You can even pay cash at the ARAL petrol station chain. Why not just like that from the begining?
Oh, but I wrote a lot about that. That is frustration and disappointment. I used to believe in electric cars. Yes. Faith is the right word.
Hydrogen = Hindenburg
Why should the customer subsidise overpriced German cars
I don't think I'll will still be around in 2035, so my old diesel BMW will see me out.
Me too Mate! born in. the fifties, Rock On!!!!
Incredibly flawed policy to force EVS onto at best, a market that is already best served with an established infrastructure and plentiful fuel supply. Led by “Let’s go Green” environmental Government thinking as opposed to consumer demand. Whilst there is plenty of the black stuff to be extracted the adoption to electric will continue to struggle.
i'm not an expert, nor do i have a fancy degree from an ivy league or g5 university, but as this is not rocket science and even a kindergartner knows, that in a rapidly changing world, when you choose to go at your own pace or get stuck in your previous fame and glory, this is what will happen. in the 80s, american automakers faced challenges from japanese automakers, then starting in 1997, japanese automakers faced this challenge from south korean automakers, and now, all the world's automakers face this challenge from one american automaker and many chinese automakers. just like nokia, soon, these giant automakers will perish if they don't want to change (e.g. gm and vw - to large to fail companies). all they can do now is construct and make a completely different kind of renewable energy vehicle (e.g, methane to electric or others), and build a network of all the essential and necessary supporting infrastructure to support it, and it has to be done quickly and in the very near future, or, you can choose to compete head to head with the vehicle manufacturers from china. i have to admit, to be honest, china makes good cars at low prices, for example wuling cloud ev, byd dolphin, etc.
EV’s........ Dunno........ “Extremely Volatile”?! Buses...Cars....Lorries?! It just doesn’t make sense Carrying 500 Kilograms Of batteries in a tin box?! Just have to wait while they invent “Accessing the electric power externally while moving....Without cables but Electromagnetic pulsing?!”
An inferior product at a premium price.
...plus utterly ridiculous designs
I don't like the idea of driving around with a high pressure bomb in my car.
The ugly EV grill
BMW needs to develop a good windup spring powered car, instead of all this nonsense
Sounds good, but who would be strong enough to wind it up?????lol🤣
Complete nonsense.
In 2023, the BMW Group sold over 566,000 plug-in cars, including over 376,000 all-electric cars (up 74.4% year-over-year). BEVs represented 14.7% of the total volume-almost in line with the 15% target.
its end of 2024
I had to stop at point number one. I can't believe you too ignore the mathematics and economics of hydrogen to throw in with the "fool" cell nonsense. EVs aren't slowing down - BMW EV sales are slowing down.
Well that's what happens when you sell out to the devil and then the devil sell you out... bye bye Euro car market :)
Look, imho the EV's look _ugly_ . The height/length ratio is odd. This is due to the battery cell.
[ A nice looking car is eg. the F36 BMW]
Thus, as long as we do not have solid state accu's [ with higher energy density], the problem will not be solved.
Indeed, BMW produces Autobahn-limousine. What do you do on the highway? You drive very fast ( ~180-200 km/h ), on long distances. Not with the current battery technology. With that, you rather build small city cars [ i3]. Bad luck for BMW, who is famous for the Autobahn-limousine.
And this problem is made more serious by the new "" design" "language" of BMW. The dexterity and the elegance of their cars disappeared in oder that it appeals to the Chinese and yankee customers, who prefer the aggressive and villain style. [ An absolute disaster is the grille on the new 4er BMW, the 7er and the iX]. This does not correspond to the European taste. [ Maybe if a French or Northern European gets the chief designer position again and not a Serbian - who says that the cars should not look good, they should look "remarkable". Nope.]
Over time the general public will realise EV cars are more reliable and last much longer than ICE cars. By 2030 there will be many ten year old EVs running around with 2-300k miles on the clock cheap to buy, cheap to run and perfectly reliable.
Germany should exit the EU, then will not be held captive to the unelected EU mandates.😳😳
The UN Global Party has dictated what the global market wants……..😂😂😂supranational government can’t dictate free markets, this idiocy is doomed to fail without more tyranny.
BMW a driving garbage can made from plastic, materials don't last, for more then $100000 you should buy a shinese car. Chinese cars are less expensive and better quality.
EU IS STUPID
EU can stay happy for now using combustion engine cars and forgo the ideological concept about Green energy and environment.
Junk