1:00 this is one of the very few times that Star Trek ever made you feel like you were really on a ship in space, the way they did the shift of the lighting to show that the ship was changing direction. Really well done.
The time, effort, cost AND most importantly consideration required to put together the shot of Wesley & Guinan plus the 1701-D leaving orbit and going to warp makes this scene one of my most favorite understated moments of TNG! Spectacularly simple! The way Trek should always be!
the entire TNG sequence from the beginning to the end is probably one of the best scenes of the show with regard to deliver the feeling of following the whereabouts of a spaceship and her crew
When you see the ship turn from the perspective from the people aboard you realise how much the inertia dampeners must really do, the acceleration would slam everybody into walls.
and yet in space battle they get shaken around as if an earthquake happens... inertia dampeners must be like " ship turns super fast? keep people from even moving an inch. getting attacked in space combat? let them tumble over like rag dolls" XD inertia dampeners dont make sense sometimes
In fairness, the inertia dampeners must first 'feel' how much the ship is moving... if you use impulse power, you can predict the torque and acceleration, but if a missile hits the ship there is a sudden jolt and it will take a few moments for the dampeners to kick in, as they can't predict the force.
Actually I was under the impression that the warp jump was not the ship moving, but the outside space around the ship. They wouldn't feel the jump because the ship didn't actually move anywhere. Different than using impulse engines that work by the ship pushing itself.
+Oooo Reality If I recall the lore correctly, that helmsman would've received a severe beating from Martok and Worf (or at the very least, from Martok) for scoffing/scarcasm-ing at commanding officers.
Yeah, on a Klingon ship, you don't talk to your superior officer like that unless you want an asskicking or plan to challenge him/her for his/her position.
Oooo Reality Just as well that Klingon never watched Monty Python Brave Captain Martok ran away Bravely ran away-away When danger reared its ugly head He bravely turned his tail and fled Yes, brave Martok turned about And gallantly he chickened out Bravely taking to his feet He beat a very brave retreat Bravest of the brave, Martok
You must be joking... You pretty much described the kind of people who are _against_ social justice. If you're just trolling, then well done; I took the bait.
Ah people use the term SJW to refer to everything from nuns to hitler these days, I would ignore them and move on. It had a use at first, now its used to describe everything lol. From racists to people opposing racists. From communists to nationalists. Its bonkers and the arguments you can have with these people are equally bonkers.
I love the consistency of Star Trek in showing warp speed from Next Generation to Voyager. Sad that since then they seem to have dropped the continuity.
This is actually pretty accurate to what it would look like in reality if you went to light speed. Your eyes would start smashing into a bunch of photons as you're approaching the speed of light, so you'd see a bright flash, and since the wavelengths of that light would be effectively shortened by you accelerating toward it it would be blue-shifted.
@Afqwa Any sane engineer would have no windows at all! Have you ever wondered why- before 2009, at least- warp-capable starships in _Star Trek_ never used windows for their bridge viewscreens, but instead giant wall-sized flat-screen computer monitors? (Another exception is shuttles, runabouts and fighters, but that is for a different reason.) This actually goes all the way back to _TOS._ Although we never saw the _Enterprise_ then without the viewscreen turned on, Roddenberry & Co. actually worked it out due to their time serving in the US Navy. Matt Jefferies was smart enough to know that, from a structural engineering standpoint, the more holes you put into a pressure hull, the greater you compromise its structural integrity _unless_ specially reinforced during the design and construction phases. (The earliest versions of the DeHavilland Comet suffered their initial crashes because the windows were of the wrong shape, but that wasn't learned until after those planes crashed.) In effect, the _Enterprise-D_ was a colander of thin glass made of explodium compared to the _TOS Enterprise!_ In addition to this, if you have a big ol' window on the front of your commander center, the enemy knows exactly where you are and can see right through the window at the display screens behind you! So, Jefferies and Roddenberry played it _smart-_ the fewer windows, the better. The idea was that, if someone wanted to look outside, all they would have to do is access one of the externally-mounted cameras, and _voila!_ you can see outside your giant tin can! Also, because it's just a giant computer monitor, you can change what it displays at will. . . . Of course, then Bad Robot came along in 2009, did _minimum_ research, somehow missed this very important point, got impatient, and put a giant fragile glass window right smack on the front of the Bridge because they were lazy and stupid. Unfortunately, they haven't or won't even understand their mistake, and that stupidity was passed on to Secret Hideout who has done just that even into -stpoop.-
@@EVAUnit4A Yeah 10 Forward is a luxury in Trek... No Starship had ever had such a sweet view before... I'm sure The Fleet Engineers made sure everything was sound before building The Galaxy Class :)
@@nunyadambidniss If you ever looked at some of the areas of the D that were never seen on screen because of budget restraints. The D was very very luxurious. It was truly a grand city in space. If you never seen it. This site shows some of the D that was planed but was not able to be realized. forgottentrek.com/the-unseen-enterprise-d/
@@EVAUnit4A Startrek relies on "structural integrity fields" to explain away most of that. Take the Enterprise D for example, those curved nacelle mounts are curved in the wrong direction for forward acceleration, they would sheer right off. If the nacelles held then the engineering hullwould snap away from the saucer at the thin neck, and a circular saucer puts massive strain on the back trying to support the expansive width. The only ships that look viable without some sort of integrity cheat are the Defiant and Voyager, with the Enterprise E maybe being ok.
You know, I never noticed this before! Must have always been looking the other way by pure fluke. Its interesting as its facing forward where almost always its from the side or back or external to the ship in scenes. Kind of beautiful to see light spectrum separate as you break the lightspeed limit.
Always loved the effect. I just wish they had shown what it looks like from a rear-facing window more often (where the stars are drawn towards the center, away from you.) You only get to see the effect from the front of the ship, or sliding across the side while already at warp
I loved how they showed motion outside the windows of Ten Forward in that first scene. The way they moved the light to create the impression that the ship was turning. They never did that again after this episode.
Actually, it's probably incoming EM waves accumulating in the compressed space in front of the ship, before going to such a high energy level that it becomes invisible. Or they found some way to dissipate the energy for the safety of the crew. This is one of the predicted effects of a warp field.
Initial compression could, logically, be depicted as the demonstrated luminous flare, it is also logical to assume that compression is then dispersed into the many folds of subspace that enshroud the ship, balancing the force much like the structure of an egg would(with help from the structural integrity field of a vessel). Just a thought...
TNG's weakness was being a bit too random with its episodes. Really made it difficult for real character development. Wesley would have definitely become a more popular character if he was given a direction to go.
@@samsonguy10k A direction to go? Like a long walk off a short pier? LOL! J/K. Actually I developed a bit of a soft spot for Wesley as when TNG aired I was around the same age. Actually I spent the entirety of the series thinking he was slightly younger than me when when in fact he is slighter older. In Encounter at Farpoint I believe his age is given as 15. That aired in 1987 when I was 14. Wil Wheaton was born in 1972 and I was born in 1973. My pespestectvie got skewed by the fact that it took a few years for them to make their way to the UK. Something that would be unthinkable now. Edit: I think that WW had a very young looking face too. Mind, I've been told for a while that I look about a decade younger than I actually am.
somebuddyx it is especially season 1 which looked poor for years as it was originally mastered at tape resolution. The company that remastered season 2 messed up the colours sadly.
So good, that they the used same effect in TNG DS9 and VOY, but it work well and adds something special to the idea that they really are travelling through space.
In Star Wars when one jumps into hyperspace, stars briefly turn into streaks, then everything turns white. Then a blue, white and black tunnel form around your ship and into the direction you are traveling in. Depending on how good the hyperdrive is, one can cross the galactic disk in a matter of weeks. A speed of 5.0 would be very slow, but a speed of 1.0 would be extremely fast. I am not certain, but once you hit zero you are everywhere at once -- traveling at infinite speed. A ship flying at a speed of 1.0 is already going excessively fast. A speed of 1.0 is like... A-wing speeds; Han Solo's ship somehow manages 0.5. In all of the Star Wars works I have read, I have only read about one ship that could pull off 0.4 and it got destroyed later on. My Star Trek knowledge is no where near is good as my Star Wars, but if I had to make a comparison to Star Trek. I would say the hyperspace is a faster version of Star Trek's Slipstream.
In Star Trek universe warp speed 10 to 12 is a very fast speed and rarely there are any ships that are willing to or capable of going faster. With the warp factor formula provided by the creator, travelling across the galaxy will take about 60 years.
SVAFnemesis Roddenberry was trying to impress upon the audience that "space is not your back yard," i.e. the ENORMITY of it, like the oceans were to ancient mariners. "All I ask, is a tall ship, and a star to steer her by...." Kirk's immortal words illustrate Gene's vision of space as truly the final frontier. Star Wars, meanwhile, sees a galaxy as a country in which factions vie for control, and so it can be traversed in weeks or days.
+Ken Burns As I understood it for Star Trek, it was a way of allowing them to travel vast distances in shorter spaces of time working within the current known theory or relativity. Otherwise we would ultimately be confined to our own solar system, which would have made for a pretty boring show! If we were to compare to Firelfy they got around any such tech by having a single solar system terraformed in entirety. Never travelling beyond such limits. And oddly never featured an alien keeping the human species very much alone! As to star wars,,, I always found it appeals entirely to fantasy (where others try to offer some explanation, even Andromeda played on another loophole in the theory of relativity), and what you say is correct... Its pretty much "war" with space thrown in for some POW look at my special effects (coughs 1-2-3 pout pout moan). PS, Star Trek only went to warp 9, at warp 10 you were supposedly in all places at once, but in the final episode of TNG in an alternate future they engage warp 13. Its never really been explained. Assumption is they changed the measurement of speed. Oh and in Voyager there was one episode (sorry names a loss on me) where they hit warp 10, came out and were exactly where they started.
The entire point of a MANUAL override is that it works when the technology doesn't. ie, when your automatic door opener at the grocery store is broken, there's a MANUAL lever that releases the hydraulic pressure to allow you to open it by hand The writers had no clue what a "manual override" was. Just like how they always said "hull plating is at X percent" in Enterprise. Because they couldn't think beyond "it's just a placeholder for shields".
@@compmanio36 Agreed, the showrunners are usually clueless and just go with what (they think) looks cool. The dialogue usually doesn't make sense because it just keeps steamrolling forward without actually adding anything to the scene other than more dialogue.
For those upset at Dr Graves' death leading to his knowledge being lost forever, don't be. He transferred his mind into Data and then later, transferred it into Data's computer. While his soul was lost /and went onto the afterlife/, his knowledge remained behind in Data's computer so the Federation got a hold of it thus preserving his knowledge to be used to advance science.
Each time you accelerate to a higher warp factor it changes your reception of light emitted from any particle so it appears like streaks. When you retain a level (such as travelling at Warp 6 continuously everything looks normal. When you jump again up to Warp 7 streaks again appear while you accelerate. When you decelerate some other effect may occur. Don't ask me.
That may be how it works in star trek, but in physics red/blue shift are related to your current speed not your acceleration and for any given speed would thus remain constant.
EnterpriseKnight I dislike the View screens, the one good thing in the kelvin timeline is that the fucking bridge has an actual window , and the Video is projected on the glass that makes more sense
I loved the nice calm feeling of warp travel in actual Star Trek. That idiotic epilepsy inducing mega strobe effect they have in "nutrek" (STD etc) is just completely ridiculous. After staring at that for 30 seconds you're going to be anything but calm. Just another area where kurtzman and his flunkies have literally no idea.
Please do one with all the clips of people in windows viewed from outside the ship. Examples: when Picard is first seen in Encounter at Farpoint, or Tuvok looking out his window after kes transforms, or in the good Shepard when we pull up to Janeway’s readyroom window and later leave the ship with the crewman looking out the window on the bottom of the ship. Those types. I don’t know how many examples there are but there should be at lease one or two from each show. Just would be a neat montage.
Given the distance between stars and the (cannon) speeds at various warp factors, I believe the effect of appearing to be passing by lots of distant stars is great for cinema, but far from what the reality would be. And, as others noted, the doppler effect doesn't appear to be accounted for. Of course, I'm still fascinated by visible light making it through the screens when other forms of energy, including laser weapons, are deflected.
Not passing by stars. The idea is these are streaks of interstellar dust being deflected by the navigational deflector and warp field, imparting enough energy that they luminesce and streak as they pass by harmlessly on the edge of the warp field. TNG tech manual went into detail on this but they never explained it in the show.
Someday we will achieve faster than light travel i.e. "warp speed". In just the past 100 years, we've gone from the Wright Brothers to the space shuttle, and sending probes out of the solar system. In the next 200 to 300 years, who knows what we will do?
I share your optimism, but bear in mind that Airplanes and Moon Shots look like learning how to start a fire next to the energy, materials, and logistics required to build and fly an interstellar craft.
Not to mention in the 80's British scientists worked on a fusion based device that could send a ship of nearly any mass up to 80% speed of light, now it they figured out the issues with inertial dampeners we would open up the whole solar system and its resources.
Zooey, Leonardo Di Vinci foresaw airplanes, helicopters and submarines, 300 years before the technology to build them was developed. Star Trek is set 300 years from now. What if Roddenberry is right?
To anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of the laws of physics, saying "Faster than light" is pretty much the same thing as saying "Slower than stop". Nothing about airplanes or space shuttles, or sending probes into space violates the laws of physics. Faster than light doesn't even exist as far as science knows.
I think the "light streaks" or "stars", depending on dialect of Nerdish you speak, were probably intended to represent rapid acceleration/deceleration. Otherwise, how would you know the damn thing was even moving...
The "streaks are just dust" retcon doesn't work. Whenever they showed a ship dropping out of warp, the streaks would always slow down and become stars again. We have to just face it: Trekkies are geeks, not nerds.
I never really thought about the intense light of a local star (sun) shining through all those windows. On the bridge viewscreen, this wouldn't be a problem as the computer would reduce the effect. But could you imagine being asleep while the enterprise warps into a system and the window above your bed is exposed to direct starlight as you enter orbit about one of the star's worlds? I wonder if the transparent aluminum had some sort of automatic light filter built in?
sherpajones most likely so, not to mention the shields provides protection from radiation from the stars. Think about it, the Boeing Dreamliner windows can already change opacity to block out the light and we are only in the 21st century!
The problem with warp speed is that not only does time at the original point basically stop when someone is moving at warp speed but different parts of space do not work the exact same way that earth does simply because of time dilation. That is something they mentioned in the movie "Interstellar". it is very possible that if I had warp drive right now and could go anywhere in the universe that I would be able to visit several dozen planets within 10 minutes of earth standard time.
5:29 Sisko's Head up display, predicted HUD tech 20 years ahead of it's time. Real navy ships are investing in wrap around displays for ship bridges 360 degree views.
Wonder if it would be disorienting to see the view of the ship change outside the window without feeling the motion due to the inertial dampers. Like reading in a car; your visual input doesn't match the signals your brain gets from the inner ear.... And I think we all have to accept that the lines about not warping from within a system are just not true given how often it happens, but to warp from within orbit of a planet? Seems risky for no reason. It's been established that to one degree or another, gravitational fields DO affect warp drive.
+compmanio36 heh they have to develop their space legs? Sounds like it 's not much different from when you first try traveling on a ship. Your first few days are awful. You spend most the time hanging over the side of the ship or sleeping but after awhile you get use to it. Just don't eat anything too greasy for your first few days.
Why is warping within the orbit of a planet risky? Zefram Cochrane's very first warp flight was in at the very best a high orbit above Earth, and also I believe that in "The Voyage Home" the captured klingon bird of prey they're flying goes to warp in the atmosphere, no apparent ill effects.
Because you're changing the gravitational constant of the area in which the warp bubble resides, literally changing the fabric of space time. This is how the warp drive works, by "warping" space. In this way you get around the relativistic constraints of nothing being able to travel faster than the speed of light. I imagine that's quite harsh on the orbits and integrity of a planet you're pretty close to, not to mention tidal shifts in oceans, etc. Unfortunately the one thing Star Trek hates more than a red shirt is consistency, so they often broke their own rules, much to the confusion of the fans watching.
A warp bubble is a whole helluva lot smaller than a planet. I doubt it would have any serious effect beyond the bubble itself, since ST often shows ships going to warp near other ships. If there was enough disruption to cause a tidal shift in an ocean, it would wreak havoc upon other ships nearby when you go to warp.
jumping towards and past the speed of light you would notice a blueshift in color looking forward and a redshift looking backwards. correct me if I'm wrong here.
I was always thinking if people in the ship feel something while warp speed...and is there any visual signalisation (e.g. light colour change on hallway)
Why the shit would Tuvok run diagnostics on anything other than tactical systems. The's the Tactical officer not the Operations officer. Harry Kim should be running diagnostics on stuff like that.
It's why Harry was still only an ensign at the end of the series, even though Nog entered the academy much later than Harry, didn't even graduate, yet was a Lt. jg even before Voyager got back!
Were those warp effects always there? By that I mean during original broadcast in the 90's or have they been added on to the remastered broadcasts/Blue Ray's? I'd never noticed those shots before now and yet they look so f***ing awesome! Great upload thanks 🖒
Marvin James As far as I know, they were always there. I watched way too much TNG as a kid, and I remember those lines. Still impresses me that all of the flyby shots were practical shots done with models. I don't think Star Trek started using CGI models until "First Contact." Very groundbreaking for their time.
You're right. Thinking back on some of the shots they did in "Generations," at least some of them had to be CG. Either way, you do bring an excellent point. I remember seeing a remastered episode of TNG lately - I can't remember which one - and the effect they used in one of the shots looked too clean. I noticed right away that it had been redone, just like all of the flyby shots of the Enterprise in the remasters of the original series.
Yes, in his first major (and mostly loathed by fans) role. There was a scene shot with him for The Last Starfighter, but it got cut so late in the production that he's still listed in the credits, despite not making it into the final cut.
In reality, the stars would get larger and move upwards from our perspective as we travel towards them. In no way would most of them look like they are coming towards you. Stars are far too spaced apart for that. And if they did get close to you, their size grow very quickly.
Honestly the warp trap traveling affect could have been better I like how they did it in star trek 2009 Even if the effect looks like a shooting star in space but it's actually a traveling starship
"Its beautiful" That line would make sense in the movie gravity, but seriously in the 24th century? Like they've never seen it before. It would just be like looking at clouds in the sky.
1:00 this is one of the very few times that Star Trek ever made you feel like you were really on a ship in space, the way they did the shift of the lighting to show that the ship was changing direction. Really well done.
budgets allowed this for the episode - it was a bottle episode if i recall
@@ghostrider-be9ek what does that mean?
@@mz00956 everything took place within the ship on that episode - no planets or other ships = more budget for effects
@@ghostrider-be9ek The point of a bottle episode is to save money, period. Lower budget for sets *and* effects
I noticed that too, how rare it was to see the space lighting change through the windows in trek.
I do wish they would have shown warp from this perspective more.
The time, effort, cost AND most importantly consideration required to put together the shot of Wesley & Guinan plus the 1701-D leaving orbit and going to warp makes this scene one of my most favorite understated moments of TNG! Spectacularly simple! The way Trek should always be!
the entire TNG sequence from the beginning to the end is probably one of the best scenes of the show with regard to deliver the feeling of following the whereabouts of a spaceship and her crew
When you see the ship turn from the perspective from the people aboard you realise how much the inertia dampeners must really do, the acceleration would slam everybody into walls.
and yet in space battle they get shaken around as if an earthquake happens... inertia dampeners must be like " ship turns super fast? keep people from even moving an inch. getting attacked in space combat? let them tumble over like rag dolls" XD inertia dampeners dont make sense sometimes
In fairness, the inertia dampeners must first 'feel' how much the ship is moving... if you use impulse power, you can predict the torque and acceleration, but if a missile hits the ship there is a sudden jolt and it will take a few moments for the dampeners to kick in, as they can't predict the force.
Jeroen D Stout and the weapons would cause magnetic and electrical disturbances in the ship too
Actually I was under the impression that the warp jump was not the ship moving, but the outside space around the ship. They wouldn't feel the jump because the ship didn't actually move anywhere. Different than using impulse engines that work by the ship pushing itself.
I was under the impression that warpdrive was an augmentation of impulse drive...meaning, impulse is active whenever warp is active.
...found the Klingon helmsman's sarcasm lol-ful... "YES, Commander ... maximum warp ... 'arrrrrrrrrround' the nebula ... !!"
+Oooo Reality If I recall the lore correctly, that helmsman would've received a severe beating from Martok and Worf (or at the very least, from Martok) for scoffing/scarcasm-ing at commanding officers.
Yeah, on a Klingon ship, you don't talk to your superior officer like that unless you want an asskicking or plan to challenge him/her for his/her position.
That Klingon didn't look like a normal crew member though. Perhaps that was how he got away with it.
Oooo Reality Just as well that Klingon never watched Monty Python
Brave Captain Martok ran away
Bravely ran away-away
When danger reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled
Yes, brave Martok turned about
And gallantly he chickened out
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat
Bravest of the brave, Martok
Gotta love the Klingons.
Goldberg: "What do you see when you look out there?" - Wheaton: "Well... a script would be nice!"
Best blooper line ever!!
Wheaton: a sexist, racist, prejudiced social justice warrior
bcmasur,
that is the biggest oxymoron I've ever seen. It's right up there with "wet fire".
You must be joking... You pretty much described the kind of people who are _against_ social justice.
If you're just trolling, then well done; I took the bait.
Ah people use the term SJW to refer to everything from nuns to hitler these days, I would ignore them and move on. It had a use at first, now its used to describe everything lol. From racists to people opposing racists. From communists to nationalists. Its bonkers and the arguments you can have with these people are equally bonkers.
"What do you see when you look out there?"
"Well... a script would be nice."
XD Sorry, I couldn't help thinking about that blooper from this scene!
I love the consistency of Star Trek in showing warp speed from Next Generation to Voyager. Sad that since then they seem to have dropped the continuity.
Who needs warp effects when we can power a ship with magic mushrooms now!
I never realized that this particular effect was reused in every show. That's so cool.
@@iancypes5911 or pylons with no connections
watch lower decks, it has a warp jump shown in the reverse perspective, (crew watching out the back of the ship)
its pretty good
It was a great continuity - just needed to be a little faster to match the timing of the external SFX. - It'd have been perfect for the TMP era.
This is actually pretty accurate to what it would look like in reality if you went to light speed. Your eyes would start smashing into a bunch of photons as you're approaching the speed of light, so you'd see a bright flash, and since the wavelengths of that light would be effectively shortened by you accelerating toward it it would be blue-shifted.
@Afqwa
Any sane engineer would have no windows at all!
Have you ever wondered why- before 2009, at least- warp-capable starships in _Star Trek_ never used windows for their bridge viewscreens, but instead giant wall-sized flat-screen computer monitors? (Another exception is shuttles, runabouts and fighters, but that is for a different reason.) This actually goes all the way back to _TOS._ Although we never saw the _Enterprise_ then without the viewscreen turned on, Roddenberry & Co. actually worked it out due to their time serving in the US Navy.
Matt Jefferies was smart enough to know that, from a structural engineering standpoint, the more holes you put into a pressure hull, the greater you compromise its structural integrity _unless_ specially reinforced during the design and construction phases. (The earliest versions of the DeHavilland Comet suffered their initial crashes because the windows were of the wrong shape, but that wasn't learned until after those planes crashed.) In effect, the _Enterprise-D_ was a colander of thin glass made of explodium compared to the _TOS Enterprise!_
In addition to this, if you have a big ol' window on the front of your commander center, the enemy knows exactly where you are and can see right through the window at the display screens behind you!
So, Jefferies and Roddenberry played it _smart-_ the fewer windows, the better. The idea was that, if someone wanted to look outside, all they would have to do is access one of the externally-mounted cameras, and _voila!_ you can see outside your giant tin can! Also, because it's just a giant computer monitor, you can change what it displays at will.
. . .
Of course, then Bad Robot came along in 2009, did _minimum_ research, somehow missed this very important point, got impatient, and put a giant fragile glass window right smack on the front of the Bridge because they were lazy and stupid. Unfortunately, they haven't or won't even understand their mistake, and that stupidity was passed on to Secret Hideout who has done just that even into -stpoop.-
@@EVAUnit4A Yeah 10 Forward is a luxury in Trek...
No Starship had ever had such a sweet view before...
I'm sure The Fleet Engineers made sure everything was sound before building The Galaxy Class :)
@@nunyadambidniss If you ever looked at some of the areas of the D that were never seen on screen because of budget restraints. The D was very very luxurious. It was truly a grand city in space.
If you never seen it. This site shows some of the D that was planed but was not able to be realized. forgottentrek.com/the-unseen-enterprise-d/
@@EVAUnit4A Startrek relies on "structural integrity fields" to explain away most of that.
Take the Enterprise D for example, those curved nacelle mounts are curved in the wrong direction for forward acceleration, they would sheer right off. If the nacelles held then the engineering hullwould snap away from the saucer at the thin neck, and a circular saucer puts massive strain on the back trying to support the expansive width. The only ships that look viable without some sort of integrity cheat are the Defiant and Voyager, with the Enterprise E maybe being ok.
@@EVAUnit4A Whilst I totally agree with you on bad reboot and their trash, isn't it transparent aluminum, not glass? I mean, still idiotic....
They did this way MORE often than I thought!
While i looks the same they clearly got better at it by the time of Voyager.
How the helmsman mocks Martok is priceless :D 3:20
Yes, sir, maximum warp AROUND the nebular!
I love the first 15 seconds of loud ambient engine noise! So relaxing.
There are whole videos like that on YT that are just ambient sounds of starships from Star Trek, if you're interested in that.
I hope one day humans get to see and experience a view like that for real.
It would be nice to have someone like Guinan in my life. Wonderful counsel.
It's OK to be selfish. Sometimes.
Several centuries of life experience must give rather a rich perspective
O'brien's such a troll.. "pull up a chair" lol
@@Avatarbee
Garaka?
You know, I never noticed this before!
Must have always been looking the other way by pure fluke.
Its interesting as its facing forward where almost always its from the side or back or external to the ship in scenes. Kind of beautiful to see light spectrum separate as you break the lightspeed limit.
Always loved the effect. I just wish they had shown what it looks like from a rear-facing window more often (where the stars are drawn towards the center, away from you.)
You only get to see the effect from the front of the ship, or sliding across the side while already at warp
I loved how they showed motion outside the windows of Ten Forward in that first scene. The way they moved the light to create the impression that the ship was turning. They never did that again after this episode.
I remember seeing this when it first aired and being blown away.
I suppose the flash is analogous to a sonic boom. A photonic boom if you will.
Gogglesaurus Warp Flare.
Actually, it's probably incoming EM waves accumulating in the compressed space in front of the ship, before going to such a high energy level that it becomes invisible. Or they found some way to dissipate the energy for the safety of the crew. This is one of the predicted effects of a warp field.
Initial compression could, logically, be depicted as the demonstrated luminous flare, it is also logical to assume that compression is then dispersed into the many folds of subspace that enshroud the ship, balancing the force much like the structure of an egg would(with help from the structural integrity field of a vessel).
Just a thought...
doltBmB again, photonic boom
An extreme blueshift.
didnt care much for wesley, but he had a few nice scenes. This one being one of them.
TNG's weakness was being a bit too random with its episodes. Really made it difficult for real character development. Wesley would have definitely become a more popular character if he was given a direction to go.
@@samsonguy10k A direction to go? Like a long walk off a short pier? LOL! J/K. Actually I developed a bit of a soft spot for Wesley as when TNG aired I was around the same age. Actually I spent the entirety of the series thinking he was slightly younger than me when when in fact he is slighter older. In Encounter at Farpoint I believe his age is given as 15. That aired in 1987 when I was 14. Wil Wheaton was born in 1972 and I was born in 1973. My pespestectvie got skewed by the fact that it took a few years for them to make their way to the UK. Something that would be unthinkable now.
Edit: I think that WW had a very young looking face too. Mind, I've been told for a while that I look about a decade younger than I actually am.
Man you are the best! you have no idea how long I've been looking for a vid like this one
Soldiers of the Empire was one of my favorite DS9 eps. A ship full of demoralized and depressed Klingons is really unsettling somehow.
4:19 Klingon Picard lol
+Luke Snyder General Martok! He's an amazing character in Deep Space Nine
HD TNG looks pretty neat!
somebuddyx it is especially season 1 which looked poor for years as it was originally mastered at tape resolution. The company that remastered season 2 messed up the colours sadly.
So good, that they the used same effect in TNG DS9 and VOY, but it work well and adds something special to the idea that they really are travelling through space.
4:50 - Garak: "Sisko... What does the scouter say about the Jem`Hadar's power level?"
going to warp. that would be mesmerizing.
going to warp when you dont want to. that would be terrifying.
Great work atmosphere on board the klingon ship btw. Reminds me of my first job.
Great upload that is pretty cool looking.
In Star Wars when one jumps into hyperspace, stars briefly turn into streaks, then everything turns white. Then a blue, white and black tunnel form around your ship and into the direction you are traveling in. Depending on how good the hyperdrive is, one can cross the galactic disk in a matter of weeks. A speed of 5.0 would be very slow, but a speed of 1.0 would be extremely fast. I am not certain, but once you hit zero you are everywhere at once -- traveling at infinite speed. A ship flying at a speed of 1.0 is already going excessively fast. A speed of 1.0 is like... A-wing speeds; Han Solo's ship somehow manages 0.5. In all of the Star Wars works I have read, I have only read about one ship that could pull off 0.4 and it got destroyed later on. My Star Trek knowledge is no where near is good as my Star Wars, but if I had to make a comparison to Star Trek. I would say the hyperspace is a faster version of Star Trek's Slipstream.
5 past light speed is 1.5
In Star Trek universe warp speed 10 to 12 is a very fast speed and rarely there are any ships that are willing to or capable of going faster. With the warp factor formula provided by the creator, travelling across the galaxy will take about 60 years.
SVAFnemesis Roddenberry was trying to impress upon the audience that "space is not your back yard," i.e. the ENORMITY of it, like the oceans were to ancient mariners. "All I ask, is a tall ship, and a star to steer her by...." Kirk's immortal words illustrate Gene's vision of space as truly the final frontier.
Star Wars, meanwhile, sees a galaxy as a country in which factions vie for control, and so it can be traversed in weeks or days.
Ken Burns agreed.
+Ken Burns As I understood it for Star Trek, it was a way of allowing them to travel vast distances in shorter spaces of time working within the current known theory or relativity.
Otherwise we would ultimately be confined to our own solar system, which would have made for a pretty boring show!
If we were to compare to Firelfy they got around any such tech by having a single solar system terraformed in entirety. Never travelling beyond such limits. And oddly never featured an alien keeping the human species very much alone!
As to star wars,,, I always found it appeals entirely to fantasy (where others try to offer some explanation, even Andromeda played on another loophole in the theory of relativity), and what you say is correct... Its pretty much "war" with space thrown in for some POW look at my special effects (coughs 1-2-3 pout pout moan).
PS, Star Trek only went to warp 9, at warp 10 you were supposedly in all places at once, but in the final episode of TNG in an alternate future they engage warp 13. Its never really been explained. Assumption is they changed the measurement of speed.
Oh and in Voyager there was one episode (sorry names a loss on me) where they hit warp 10, came out and were exactly where they started.
They got lot of mileage with that warp clip. Just sayin.
It's a cool looking effect, not gonna lie
if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it…only reason they’d be different would be different propulsion systems but that’s a stretch
If it was anything like the slit screen effect from 2001 you'd want to get every plug nickel out of it
@@CardboardSliver - why would you lie? Bizarre thing to say.
Trillions of miles, to be precise.
1:15-One of the bloopers showed that Wil forgot his line and answered "A script would be nice."
"Manual override"
"No response"
Federation technology sucks.
The entire point of a MANUAL override is that it works when the technology doesn't.
ie, when your automatic door opener at the grocery store is broken, there's a MANUAL lever that releases the hydraulic pressure to allow you to open it by hand
The writers had no clue what a "manual override" was. Just like how they always said "hull plating is at X percent" in Enterprise. Because they couldn't think beyond "it's just a placeholder for shields".
@@compmanio36 Agreed, the showrunners are usually clueless and just go with what (they think) looks cool. The dialogue usually doesn't make sense because it just keeps steamrolling forward without actually adding anything to the scene other than more dialogue.
Now we know what became of the Ford Motor Company in the 24th century.
Great compilation.
4:47 - "What does this scouter say about our Warp Speed?"
Late to the party but... It's over 8000 times the speed of light...
It's over 9000!!!
@@Spacegoat92 WHAT 9000!?!?!?! THERES NO WAY A SHIP CAN GO FAST ITS IMPOSSIBLE!!!
For those upset at Dr Graves' death leading to his knowledge being lost forever, don't be. He transferred his mind into Data and then later, transferred it into Data's computer. While his soul was lost /and went onto the afterlife/, his knowledge remained behind in Data's computer so the Federation got a hold of it thus preserving his knowledge to be used to advance science.
First big moment begins at 2:24.
Each time you accelerate to a higher warp factor it changes your reception of light emitted from any particle so it appears like streaks. When you retain a level (such as travelling at Warp 6 continuously everything looks normal. When you jump again up to Warp 7 streaks again appear while you accelerate. When you decelerate some other effect may occur. Don't ask me.
That may be how it works in star trek, but in physics red/blue shift are related to your current speed not your acceleration and for any given speed would thus remain constant.
Pretty interesting. I've seen nearly all TNG episodes, but I seem to have missed these warp scenes.
first episode from the second season I believe
It happens a handful of times actually, but yeah they're few and far between.
Tom Paris wanted a window. I guess he got one in the Kelvin timeline.
EnterpriseKnight I dislike the View screens, the one good thing in the kelvin timeline is that the fucking bridge has an actual window , and the Video is projected on the glass that makes more sense
MrVercettti89 Nope, it doesn't.
Imagine what happen if an asteroid hit the window.
Sergente A the windows on starships are made of transparent aluminum. They're about as strong as any other surface on the hull.
Then why not make the entire outer skin of the ship transparent? Unless, there's a structural issue to it, why not?
That would make things a little disorienting for the crew if everything was transparent. Not to mention the lack of privacy...
that guinan/wes scene may be the best wes scene by far
and by that i definitely mean "least bad"
Everyone is frozen until the panning is almost finished.
Anyone remember what episode that Voyager scene at 5:33 was from? Can quite place it.
The Haunting of Deck Twelve. S6E25
So this is where the 2009 and Into Darkness crew got their idea of that blinding hyperspace like warp speed.
Consistency, the key to any good story that wished to enjoy longevity
6:00 My favorite special effect of star trek.
What episode is the last one from?
I loved the nice calm feeling of warp travel in actual Star Trek. That idiotic epilepsy inducing mega strobe effect they have in "nutrek" (STD etc) is just completely ridiculous. After staring at that for 30 seconds you're going to be anything but calm. Just another area where kurtzman and his flunkies have literally no idea.
Please do one with all the clips of people in windows viewed from outside the ship. Examples: when Picard is first seen in Encounter at Farpoint, or Tuvok looking out his window after kes transforms, or in the good Shepard when we pull up to Janeway’s readyroom window and later leave the ship with the crewman looking out the window on the bottom of the ship. Those types. I don’t know how many examples there are but there should be at lease one or two from each show. Just would be a neat montage.
Given the distance between stars and the (cannon) speeds at various warp factors, I believe the effect of appearing to be passing by lots of distant stars is great for cinema, but far from what the reality would be. And, as others noted, the doppler effect doesn't appear to be accounted for. Of course, I'm still fascinated by visible light making it through the screens when other forms of energy, including laser weapons, are deflected.
Not passing by stars. The idea is these are streaks of interstellar dust being deflected by the navigational deflector and warp field, imparting enough energy that they luminesce and streak as they pass by harmlessly on the edge of the warp field. TNG tech manual went into detail on this but they never explained it in the show.
2:51 I thought Scott Bakula was about to leap in and put right what once went wrong.
Love it
All that warping whilst clearly still inside a solar system. Madness! ;-)
I wish we had more shots from the interior like this
Sisco had Google Glass?
the idea of a single eye piece like that predates google glass.
The Dominion had Google Glass.
A Scouter.
Google Glass before it was..... Oh, who am I kidding? It was never really that cool.....
It looks more like the scouter device from Dragon Ball Z.
Guynan -(gods I hope I got that right), always gives the best advice.
Someday we will achieve faster than light travel i.e. "warp speed". In just the past 100 years, we've gone from the Wright Brothers to the space shuttle, and sending probes out of the solar system. In the next 200 to 300 years, who knows what we will do?
I share your optimism, but bear in mind that Airplanes and Moon Shots look like learning how to start a fire next to the energy, materials, and logistics required to build and fly an interstellar craft.
Not to mention in the 80's British scientists worked on a fusion based device that could send a ship of nearly any mass up to 80% speed of light, now it they figured out the issues with inertial dampeners we would open up the whole solar system and its resources.
Zooey, Leonardo Di Vinci foresaw airplanes, helicopters and submarines, 300 years before the technology to build them was developed. Star Trek is set 300 years from now. What if Roddenberry is right?
To anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of the laws of physics, saying "Faster than light" is pretty much the same thing as saying "Slower than stop". Nothing about airplanes or space shuttles, or sending probes into space violates the laws of physics. Faster than light doesn't even exist as far as science knows.
I agree.
I think the "light streaks" or "stars", depending on dialect of Nerdish you speak, were probably intended to represent rapid acceleration/deceleration. Otherwise, how would you know the damn thing was even moving...
A common thing in many space video games, where there is so much 'dust' in space because otherwise you couldn't even tell your ship is moving.
The "streaks are just dust" retcon doesn't work. Whenever they showed a ship dropping out of warp, the streaks would always slow down and become stars again. We have to just face it: Trekkies are geeks, not nerds.
I mean IRL you DON'T move when at warp.
@@davidkelly4210 Space is the thing that moves
@@SiBanstead89 That's what I said...
I never really thought about the intense light of a local star (sun) shining through all those windows. On the bridge viewscreen, this wouldn't be a problem as the computer would reduce the effect. But could you imagine being asleep while the enterprise warps into a system and the window above your bed is exposed to direct starlight as you enter orbit about one of the star's worlds? I wonder if the transparent aluminum had some sort of automatic light filter built in?
sherpajones most likely so, not to mention the shields provides protection from radiation from the stars. Think about it, the Boeing Dreamliner windows can already change opacity to block out the light and we are only in the 21st century!
In the EU, the viewports can be darkened, just like chromatic glasses (only a lot quicker & on demand).
That feature was shown in the TNG Season 2 Premiere "The Child"
I love Dax also.
The problem with warp speed is that not only does time at the original point basically stop when someone is moving at warp speed but different parts of space do not work the exact same way that earth does simply because of time dilation. That is something they mentioned in the movie "Interstellar".
it is very possible that if I had warp drive right now and could go anywhere in the universe that I would be able to visit several dozen planets within 10 minutes of earth standard time.
5:29 Sisko's Head up display, predicted HUD tech 20 years ahead of it's time. Real navy ships are investing in wrap around displays for ship bridges 360 degree views.
Wonder if it would be disorienting to see the view of the ship change outside the window without feeling the motion due to the inertial dampers. Like reading in a car; your visual input doesn't match the signals your brain gets from the inner ear....
And I think we all have to accept that the lines about not warping from within a system are just not true given how often it happens, but to warp from within orbit of a planet? Seems risky for no reason. It's been established that to one degree or another, gravitational fields DO affect warp drive.
compmanio36 I think the crew get used to it after sometimes.
+compmanio36 heh they have to develop their space legs? Sounds like it 's not much different from when you first try traveling on a ship. Your first few days are awful. You spend most the time hanging over the side of the ship or sleeping but after awhile you get use to it. Just don't eat anything too greasy for your first few days.
Why is warping within the orbit of a planet risky? Zefram Cochrane's very first warp flight was in at the very best a high orbit above Earth, and also I believe that in "The Voyage Home" the captured klingon bird of prey they're flying goes to warp in the atmosphere, no apparent ill effects.
Because you're changing the gravitational constant of the area in which the warp bubble resides, literally changing the fabric of space time. This is how the warp drive works, by "warping" space. In this way you get around the relativistic constraints of nothing being able to travel faster than the speed of light.
I imagine that's quite harsh on the orbits and integrity of a planet you're pretty close to, not to mention tidal shifts in oceans, etc.
Unfortunately the one thing Star Trek hates more than a red shirt is consistency, so they often broke their own rules, much to the confusion of the fans watching.
A warp bubble is a whole helluva lot smaller than a planet. I doubt it would have any serious effect beyond the bubble itself, since ST often shows ships going to warp near other ships. If there was enough disruption to cause a tidal shift in an ocean, it would wreak havoc upon other ships nearby when you go to warp.
jumping towards and past the speed of light you would notice a blueshift in color looking forward and a redshift looking backwards. correct me if I'm wrong here.
I was always thinking if people in the ship feel something while warp speed...and is there any visual signalisation (e.g. light colour change on hallway)
I love how consistent this is.
4:43 the liar being promised an opportunity to sit, with no chairs... lol
The Voyager bridge was such a beautiful set. I just wish I could sit through more than one episode without wanting to throw bricks at my screen.
Now you mention it, I'd like a tall frosty glass of f**k off and leave me alone!
Magnificent.
That was nice..
the second scene , what chapter is ?
Why the shit would Tuvok run diagnostics on anything other than tactical systems. The's the Tactical officer not the Operations officer. Harry Kim should be running diagnostics on stuff like that.
They wanted it done right. /snark
Josh Downs Who's the Navigator or warp operator on the bridge ,?? (haven't watched Voyager in years )
Paris should be the one; it's his area of responsibility, shared with the engineer.
It's why Harry was still only an ensign at the end of the series, even though Nog entered the academy much later than Harry, didn't even graduate, yet was a Lt. jg even before Voyager got back!
oldtwins na battlefield commendations?
Nice
Love it.
Oddly in the first scene you can hear the ship's engine hum outside in the vacuum of space, but not hear them within the ships atmosphere.
could just be vibrations from the engines
Were those warp effects always there? By that I mean during original broadcast in the 90's or have they been added on to the remastered broadcasts/Blue Ray's?
I'd never noticed those shots before now and yet they look so f***ing awesome!
Great upload thanks 🖒
Marvin James As far as I know, they were always there. I watched way too much TNG as a kid, and I remember those lines. Still impresses me that all of the flyby shots were practical shots done with models. I don't think Star Trek started using CGI models until "First Contact." Very groundbreaking for their time.
Thanks. It's a beautiful effect and I can't believe I've never noticed it before.
Oh but I think the first TNG CGI was 'Generations' 😉
You're right. Thinking back on some of the shots they did in "Generations," at least some of them had to be CG.
Either way, you do bring an excellent point. I remember seeing a remastered episode of TNG lately - I can't remember which one - and the effect they used in one of the shots looked too clean. I noticed right away that it had been redone, just like all of the flyby shots of the Enterprise in the remasters of the original series.
Loren Helgeson I'm halfway through season 3 so I'm dying to see best of both worlds and any redone shots in that
Yeah, The CG Shot was when the Enterprise Warps to Veridian III
It's Tom he's trolling.
2:33 You could say Data's grandfather took those secrets to the "graves" with him.
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I'll let myself out.
I like this video...
Is that a young Wheel Wheaton??
Yes, in his first major (and mostly loathed by fans) role. There was a scene shot with him for The Last Starfighter, but it got cut so late in the production that he's still listed in the credits, despite not making it into the final cut.
.........what use is a sextant if the stars keep moving?
Dragon Book Writer It's designed with that in mind...
The first 2:33 is my favorite scene from TNG.
I know they just do this for the small amount of seconds for vfx , tho it still would be longer time in warp to cross system points
In reality, the stars would get larger and move upwards from our perspective as we travel towards them. In no way would most of them look like they are coming towards you. Stars are far too spaced apart for that. And if they did get close to you, their size grow very quickly.
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Google Glass lives! lol
Mmmnnnn, better replicate some curtains tomorrow.
It looked to me like they used the same effect shot for the warp distortions in all those clips
Honestly the warp trap traveling affect could have been better I like how they did it in star trek 2009 Even if the effect looks like a shooting star in space but it's actually a traveling starship
Is there raw footage of such first-person acceleration to warp?
Perhaps ask any teams involved in the remasters. A lot of shots that used greenscreens and compositing were rebuilt using raw elements.
Wesley Crusher!!!! He was good in Star Trek Next Generations.
A pity that they didnt used these effects more often in the show.
CGI was still in its infancy at the time.
Yes, but they had this effect already. They could have used it more often likle they used all the other pre-made effect-shots.
"Its beautiful"
That line would make sense in the movie gravity, but seriously in the 24th century? Like they've never seen it before. It would just be like looking at clouds in the sky.
but clouds are beautiful
i love it
Now I am missing star trek. I want a new series badly right now, hopefully the new cbs all access one is decent. I have an itch for exploration.
First it looks like warp from the motion picture, the hyperdrive, then TNG warp
I thought I knew Kai Winn somewhere