Warp Speed Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2017
- Ever wonder how fast the ships in Star Trek actually are? How about relative to one another?
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When I use the can opener in the kitchen, my cat can hit warp 1.2.
Hahaha! My cats just even don't bother! They teleport to the kitchen! They do it so fast that you can't see them shimmering!😁
Quantum level cattiness is required. So she can move from half way up the tree in the garden to rubbing against your leg in an instant. :)
Spot wants to know your location
@@Cjnw Spot eats Klingons!
@@agnesstrzykowska4300 Transporting would be much slower; the transporter beam only travels at the speed of light.
'as it would appear in its manual'
Chapter 1: thank you for purchasing our Galaxy Class Star Ship.....
Doug would prolly go through all of the 120 000 pages of it.
So would I
@@ImranIsak THIS is a 2475 Galaxy class starship!
In Star Trek world they have no money, so it won't be "purchase".
@@iannickCZ And the Ferengi?
rolandet
Well yes , if you don’t follow the instructions in the manual .. no warranty on your warp drive . ... your triple A card is void and your stuck in deep space with an annoying EMH
When you hear “9.7 seems a little slow and 9.995 a little fast” and know what he’s taking about, you’ve watched a lot of trek.
not really
Or you remember 'logarithms' from your algebra class?
@@mdhj67 i don't mean the nombers, i mean the way warp works in star trek. in tos, tbey hit warp 13 regulary... but they wanted to limit that for ds9 and they limited it even more in voyager. the federation, klingon and romulan empires take up a significant portion of the alpha qhadrant and travel across all these places can be done in days - weeks at warp... but because plot, this would suddenly take at least a dacade. the numbers don't change the fact that the voyager scale is bs.
It's science fiction, it doesn't exist....where does he come up with these numbers.....what Manuel...lmao......stop living in your parents basement and get a real life
I was starting to think moving at ~4000 times the speed of light would make the galaxy seem tiny with how quickly it could be traversed, then seeing how many seconds it took just to leave our tiny little solar system even at that speed humbled my perception of the scale of space once again
In DS9, it's stated that the gamma quadrant is 70,000 light years away. At 4,000 times the speed of light, it would still take almost 18 years to cover that distance
@@SonofTiamat But in Voyager it's said that at max warp it'll take 75 years to do 75k light years
@@termed2367 Yeah, but I'm just going off the numbers stated on this video. Also, could a starship even maintain max warp for that long?
@@SonofTiamat They'd run though a huge amount of dilithum and would require multiple retrofits during that time, so, not really. :)
(That may very well be a big aspect of why they're stopping in star systems along the way so frequently, apart from the missed opportunity to write the scripts to better express the challenge of operating so far from Federation space.)
@@termed2367 I think that number is more the estimate for what it will take overall, not maximum warp the entire time. Otherwise it just doesn't make any sense.
Conclusion: space is big on a completely different scale of "big"
The NX-01 is “slow” but it’s still FAST
“Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.” --Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
@@lanapowell Oh you wise man of culture who had the opportunity to write this comment before me. Had Voyager only met the Heart of Gold.
@@lanapowell Someone fr reddit sente that book. I've yet to read it, but I'm at the beginning.
@@lanapowell I read the comment and then searched this very quote to put in the reply only to find you had already put it here already.
It's a good way of helping us to understand the vastness of the universe.
For example, when Voyager was transported to the Delta quadrant (by an alien entity, known as the Caretaker), they found themselves more than 70,000 light years from Earth. Although this is a vast distance away, it was still only about two thirds of the way across our Milky Way galaxy.
When they eventually set off for home, they knew that it would take them around 70 years to get back to Earth at an average of Warp 6 (roughly 975 times the speed of light).
They were limited to averaging Warp 6 because this was Voyager's safe high duration (non harmful) top speed. Although Voyager could travel much faster than this - up to W9.975 - it was only possible for short periods, or quick bursts due to pressure on the warp engines and their limited supply of dilithium.
If they were able to travel at Voyager's absolute maximum warp factor non-stop, then the journey time could have been reduced to just 16 years.
But what really blows your mind, is when you convert this to realistic terms in the 21st century. The fastest man-made space object to date, is the Helios 2 probe, which reached a maximum velocity of 253,000mph. If that probes set off from the Delta quadrant on a journey back to Earth when Apes were just starting to walk upright at the beginning of the Neogene epoch around about 6 million years ago..
.. the probe still wouldn't have reached by today.
In fact, it would have to set off around about the middle Jurassic period when dinosaurs were walking the Earth - or around 185 MILLION YEARS ago before it could reach Earth by today.
And now that we know that, let's put space travel into perspective. If Helios 2 wanted to travel to the nearest star Alpha Centauri, travelling at its top speed of 253,000mph, it would take about 10,500 years..
.. on Saturn V only reached 1/10 of that speed on its journey to the moon. Meaning that, if we were to travel at that same speed, it would take us over 100,000 years to reach Alpha Centauri.
At Warp 6 Voyager could do the same journey in 9.7 hours. At Warp 9.975, the journey would take just over 2 hours.
And that's just 4.22 light years away.
The Milky Way galaxy is about 105,000 light years across. Travelling at Warp 6, a journey across the galaxy from one side to the other would take more than 107 years.
If one were able to travel non-stop at Warp 9.975, more than 4300 times the speed of light, it would still take more than 24 years!
And that's just to cross our own little Galaxy. Travelling at more than 799 MILLION MILES per second. That's nearly 9 times to the Sun and back - in just 1 second. And just for reference, remember that at Saturn V's top speed, it would take more than 8 months just to reach the Sun - ONCE.
The vastness of the Universe becomes apparent when one thinks in these terms.
Our nearest galaxy not gravitationally bound to our own (i.e., not a satellite galaxy), is the Andromeda (M31) spiral. It is around 2.6 million light years from our own. If you were unlucky enough to be transported to the Andromeda galaxy by an alien, then at Warp 6 - more than 900 times the speed of light - your journey home would take nearly 2700 years..!!
... And at Warp 9.975 it would still take you an incredible 603 years. And that's just to our nearest non-satellite galaxy.
Just think about that for a second. No, really think about it. In the time it takes you to read this paragraph, light would have travelled more than 2 million miles.
Light, which travels at 669 million miles per hour, can travel from London to New York in half the time it takes you to blink. Can orbit the equator seven times - in less than ONE second. Can get from the Earth to the Sun (93 million miles) and back....
...Three times - and then still have enough time left over to make it most of the way back to the Sun again..
In just ONE HOUR.
So, Captain Janeway, your 70 year journey might have seemed long on your way back from the Delta quadrant, but just grant yourself lucky that the Caretaker wasn't in a different Galaxy altogether - like Andromeda.
So, if it took more than 600 years to reach our nearest non-satellite galaxial neighbour, the Andromeda galaxy, travelling at more than 4300 times the speed of light (Warp 9.975), then just imagine how long it would take to reach the biillions of other galaxies in the observable universe.
They could be hundreds, or even thousands of times further away than the Andromeda Galaxy.
So Voyager's journey home could have taken millions of years, even travelling at maximum warp.
And that's just the observable universe..
Great write up!
Amazing comment, but..... The Helios probe was the fastest probe relative to the Sun, but the launch vehicle was still _tiny_(I think it was a Titan? Or a Mercury? Don't quite remember) relative to modern systems. A better comparison would be to use a more recent launche.g. New Horizons probe and use the absolute Delta V delivered by the stages.
Man! You know your Star Trek vessels and a lot of science. Thanks for the info. great speculations.
Say more things like that
Proxima Centari is 4.22 light years from earth Alpha is 4.3 light years
Way back in the 1960's when Star Trek first came out, there was an equation showing the idea for what Warp factors were. Not only did you cube the factor (Warp 2 = 2x2x2 = 8 times light speed), but you also included what was called the "Cochrane Factor" which was dependent on ambient spatial mass (such as hydrogen atoms, etc.). The more mass traveled through, the greater the velocity. Although it could be reduced to nearly zero outside the galaxy (making intergalactic travel a major problem), while within the Milky Way the average spatial mass would propel the vessel around 1200 times faster. Applying the Cochrane Factor into the equation, the Kirk's Enterprise going at Warp 1 would arrive at Proxima Centauri not in 4.5 years, but in less than 2 days, and at Warp 8 in a matter of minutes. They obviously, for story reasons, recalculated the Warp factors a bit. Ships move at Plot Speed now.
Kirk could do it Bcuz he had Scotty.
@@BatGS Voyager the slowest of them all.
Nope, warp scales are much more logical now, on a logarithmic scale. Warp 1 is the speed of light, and the upper limit, warp 10, represents infinite speed. The only problem is that as warp tech and speeds advance, every new ship top speed is going to be Warp 9.
@@Elurin there was a continuity error . In "All Good Things" the Picard in the future rode on a vessel capable of warp 13. The writers keep changing Canon in regards to warp scales
@@JohnS-il1dr That was the very last episode of TNG and I'm sure the writers wanted to make the future seem far more advanced than the normal TNG timeline, so that's understandable. But for the entire run of TNG, warp scale as detailed in the Star Trek: TNG Technical Manual, was pretty consistent.
The NX-01 might seem to move at a snail's pace compared to the other ships, but seeing it make it to Jupiter in seconds still blows my mind.
Canonically, it's mentioned it takes 5 minutes for the ship to go to Neptune and back from Earth.
@@user-do2ev2hr7h This probably factors in the acceleration, deceleration, course adjustments and all the other maneuvers/preparations necessary for an Earth-Neptune-Earth trip.
So the 5 min match pretty well with EC Henrys depiction of its speed.
@@user-do2ev2hr7h But in the animation (3:09) it took 40 minutes to reach Saturn one-way. Neptune is much much farther.
Someone's math is off.
@@protorhinocerator142 That's 40 seconds. The animation is playing in real time.
Only impulse power is used in the solar system
Trip claimed NX-01 could make Neptune and back in six minutes. Meanwhile, Enterprise D could do that in FOUR SECONDS.
*angry Mista noises*
Huh... the time it takes for the D to make the U-turn when it reaches neptune is probably longer than the journey to and from Neptune 😂😅😅
@@arsyadidris2919 drop anchor 😁
@@arsyadidris2919 Faster than light, no left or right.
They often got the warp speed and distances wrong in the show. I ended up here after looking into how wrong they were in the episode I just watched.
You can just imagine the starship sales man saying " well depending on how quick you want to run away from the borg"
The borg have transwarp so good luck with that.
@@alfiemcfarland2932 That may be precisely the joke. 😉
You have me sold lol
@@titaniumspecial4207 I thought it just had warp? A lot happened in that series. When did it gain it?
lol the best comment here sir.
You also gotta keep in mind that, even though the warp engines can go to max speed for their respective ships, they hardly use max warp, because it would wear out and destroy the engine.
Max warp is only for emergencies.
Agreed. The Next Generation Enterprise cruising along at maximum warp speed would take 55.37 years to travel the entire width of the Milky Way. It goes to show how huge the galaxy is.
Yes, it’s like driving your car with the rev counter hitting the red zone, you can do it but it will use up fuel and oil more quickly and it increases the likelihood of a mechanical failure. So you drive normally at a speed which is most economical and doesn’t wear your engine out. The last line of so many episodes was Kirk or Picard saying “Ahead Warp Factor 1” suggesting that for most of the time they cruise at low speed.
Like when Counsellor Troy’s mother is onboard. Set a course for her home planet Mr. Crusher, warp 9!
Your dilitheum crystal miners thank you
Originally the D was apparently supposed to have “Ultrawarp” drive as the successor to Transwarp in the Excelsior Class, with a top speed of 100,000 x C or C squared, but Gene had it rolled back. I read this in one of the promo books for the show or the TNG gaming book.
Voyager 2 just reached interstellar space today.
It took 41.3 years to achieve that.
You may be right.
I usually keep up with the latest info on the probes,but I may be a month behind.
And it could take another 40,000 years to reach the next nearest star ... if it's going in the right direction.
And it is still in our solar system.....
@Nemesis Have you heard of the Oort Cloud, it hasn't left that yet which will take about couple thousand years, the Oort Cloud is the edge of our system, so it hasn't left the Solar System yet.
@@phillwainewright4221 well... this mean Techpriests will get source of pre-golden age tec in their hands soon ) (soon for them)
Simple and straight-up comparison.
Compare the new class Nebula with the enterprise?
This is not very good at all. I know it's fictional and all but he could have at least got the thing that is real (c) and portrayed it right. It takes light from the sun about 43 minutes to get from the sun to Jupiter and this shows that it's going to take light a few hours to get there. Message transmissions from past satellites around Jupiter only to took 30 some odd minutes to get back to earth.
@@luisarroyo8169 Sun - Earth 8'5 min
Um, he said 17 hours to get to the edge of the solar system. Please watch the video before trying to refute it.
@@kylegardner9240 Yep, and you also said that it would take a little over 40 minutes to get from the sun to Jupiter.
It always bothers me when people make a comment before finishing or even watching the video.
As an elite dangerous player I can tell you these speeds will get you nowhere in space
Just use neutron highways. It's cheating like Voyager did to move to Delta Quadrant.
Light is slow... VERY slow...
At least they will get the free anaconda fast :D
@@navad3038 oh yeah? at Hutton
I just picked up ED about a month ago. Now I look at this and go "huh, that's like the high end of super cruise." Granted ED high waking is a nearly instantaneous wormhole, so it's pretty hard to beat that - it's just that ED is limited in range and requires a star as an anchor point.
Just noticed that the ships are to scale with each other, fantastic attention to detail
At 2:23 he says the total opposite, but I imagine the best attempt was made so it conveyed scale, so ships like say the enterprise D didn't take up a hefty chunk of the screen
He's saying they aren't at the same scale as the planetary distances, of course, since they'd be invisible.
And in real life - we can do 430,000 mph (our fastest probe). Or Warp 0.0007 - reality sucks, don't it?
StumpkillerCP
better then it was 40 years ago.
I suppose if you look at it this way;
We’ve gone from barely entering earth orbit in 1960, to going beyond the Solar System today.
Perhaps by 2100, we might be able to make it to mars in a few hours, or minutes at best
That’s if world leaders don’t nuke each other, though.
"Reality sucks" pretty much sums up why we invented fiction.
do matters turn into energy when they travel at speed of light?
@@stormblade2510 The problem is that in comparison to the vastness of space, what we have achieved so far, is nothing, its absolute childsplay.
Even if we get close to light, we will never get anywhere...
And who knows, there might actually not be a way to go faster than light in real life. And the longer we take to achieve fast speeds, the further the universe moves apart. eventually it will be impossible to get anywhere, no matter how fast your ship can travel.
Not only is the universe really big. But it's also terribly scary and depressing.
It's not just reality. In Star Trek, humans could only go Warp 0.0007 in the year 2020 as well.
"You’re
slow, light!" -EC Henry
"I'm giving it all she's got, captain!" -light
*You’re*
There are two different terms. Your, and You’re.
Your is a possessive pronoun “Is this your phone?”. Just like His, Her, Its, My.
You’re is a contraction of two words “You” and “Are”. “You’re slow” = “You are slow”. Just like He’s, She’s, It’s, I’m.
If you’re ever unsure which one to use, try this test- just split “you’re” into “you are”. Or replace “your” with “ my”.
“You are slow, light!” Or “My slow, light”.
“My slow” makes no sense,
“You are slow” makes sense, so switch it back to “You’re slow”.
😃
Pigumon & (2nd line) she’s is she has, & not she is, or she possessive.... got?🤓
While we’re copy-editing: Those are hyphens - this is an em dash. :-)
Who else pretends they're travelling at warp speed when driving in a snowstorm?
Me, all the way!
My kids say chewie hit the hyper drive. I growl like him and turn on the high beams
As a trucker of 4 years.... I say "make it so" everytime
duh!!!! (everyone watching this video and channel, which is ok)!!😋😍
Take us to Vulcan, warp factor 8, engage.
"we'll throw the 1701-D in there, just for fun."
I love trekkies doing their own thing. Great content. I kind of wish I knew how fast the delta flyer was compared to normal shuttlecraft. You know Tom had that bad girl overclocked.
I like how it would take Voyager hours to travel from earth to the nearest star, yet Star Trek warp animation always shows stars zooming by like an old Windows screensaver.
They're not stars, but specks of interstellar dust that are being pushed aside by the ship's navigational deflector so they don't hit the ship. At several thousand times the speed of light, hitting a speck of dust would not only obliterate your ship, but probably take out anything else within several hundred thousand kilometres too.
@@keckhardt3386 Not so much; a ship using warp drive is at very nearly newtonian rest relative to the contents of its warp bubble. A warp starship technically never goes faster than light, despite how it appears to an outside observer.
Realistically you wouldn't see much of anything anyway since any light coming from the front of the ship would be blue shifted out of the visible spectrum and light from behind the ship wouldn't catch up.
@@boobah5643 there is one big mistake involved... the Galaxy is moving, too. Space around the ships is moving, not the ship itself. It is like jumping forward in a moving train, u can go faster, but only inside relative to the outside
@@razhyel_ very nice example sir.
When you need to drop off Troi's annoying mother on Betazed. That's when you go warp 9.
9.9999
When you pick her up you go warp 1.2 while you get mentally prepared
Man, just hit that and be done with it. She just lookin for some sugar.
She got surprisingly better in DS9
Older the cushion the sweeter the pushin'
Would like to see a “race” to Alpha Centauri” as the times given on show always seem absurdly short for writers expediency.
Considering Alpha Century is about 4 light years away, at warp 9.9985, it would take about 6 hours (365 days × 4 years ÷ 5829c).
Life aboard a star ship at those time intervals would be mostly boring!
Remember when they were chasing the Borg and traveled from Jupiter ot Earth at half impulse? That should have taken days.
Actually the faster you go the more it become relative from your point of view. If you traveled a light speed then from your perspective you would reach your destination instantly no matter the distance. Traveling 10ft or 10 billion light years at light speed would still appear to have the same time interval as from your perspective. Instant.
@@tommoore2012 That's a good point, but Star Trek doesn't take relativity into consideration. There is one clock for the entire galaxy. Especially because they travel faster than light and this should incur some strange time phenomena. No, time is really inconsistent in this show. But that's ok. It doesn't need to be realistic to be a good story.
As I used to play Star Trek Armada, this is quite accurate. The Intrepid class was so fast compared to the other small starships. Fast impulse speed and warp speed. The Sovereign class was also fast too, but had a slow impulse speed compared to the other large starships.
Finally ! a comparison, it is refreshing to see this kind of a test, and mind boggling to really consider it.
Those ships made light look like... Man I can't even come up with the right term, but the shitz embarrassing.
Wait until you see the Enterprise X9.
iCool Like a bitch.
or the discovery
speed of light 186,000 miles per second.. and in this pretend show the space ship goes at 4,000 times the speed of light.. that's 744 million miles a second.
To me, this does an excellent job of explaining why the Federation and other factions were able to expand the scope of their territory exponentially from the 22nd to the 25th centuries.
in TNG the federation spanned 8000 light years, it would litterally take Voyager a 1,5 years just to go from one end of the federation to the next.
Also explains why they rarley could keep up with forces like Cardassia and Klingons when they wanted to go to war. Even if Starfleet has overwhelming numbers of ships, they are spread out to far.
Had the federation gotten all of their ships to the bajoran Wormhole, then the Dominion would never even have gotten an inch of Alfaquadrant space.
@@Mukation Only if all ships would have been modern and refitted. Don't forget what happened to the 1st Galaxy Class ship, the Odyssey that engaged the Jem'Hadar 1st (s2e26).
1:47 What really propelled the Enterprise-D to those insane speeds was that Triforce emblem on the dilithium crystal chamber.
stuff like this reminds me just how mind bogging huge space is
Go little beam of light go! I believe in you!
Yes, someone cheering on the little guy!
Especially since below that speed is almost certainly the true speed that human ships can ever travel. Other fanciful theories in just SciFi making the impossible possible because the universe is too big for our imaginary stories.
Even if we can achieve the speed of light it would open up soo many doors
That little light beam is like my Spectrum internet speed.
*🅱OI😂😂😂*
I've definitely got a soft spot for the Voyager. ST:Voy was my first Star Trek. I was born in 1994 and my dad and I would lay on the floor and watch it. Good times.
I love voyager cuz the crew is genuinely relatable
This was fun to watch! Like eating dessert: you don’t need it but you sure enjoy it!
What a great video. Clearly laid out, well-spoken and explained, and great animations and graphs to drive home the point. Thank you for this.
I don't normally like these theoretical comparisons but this is well thought out and explained, good job!
but using the wrong numbers. It is worthless without actually using the right numbers. According to the tech manual here: www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/Voyager-Technical-Manual/Page_16.jpg warp 9.975 was more like 3053c not over 4200c and was only sustainable for 12 hours before needing a period of time to cool down and recharge the engines.
Nerd alert! Dude, get a life lol...
not really... he's just lisring specs from technicall menuals. its about as axpended as much as std season one expends star trek lore
That was the coolest thing ever.
Yes and I'm fully aware that the distances to galaxies outside of our local group are so immense and moving away from us so quickly that there could be no journey to them, ever. Still doesn't make Warp-speed races not cool.
Michael Okuda's revised warp drive formula: v=w^(10/3)×c where v is velocity, w is the warp factor (w lim
Light speed is incredibly slow, when traveling through the universe.
But what about ludicrous speed?
John S D
ElonMuskMemes
Excuse me, sir. Spaceballs.
I prefer Plaid myself. LOL
LOL Absolutely!
I was seriously worried this comment, wouldn't be in here.
Ships have plot speed, which is as fast as you need them to be.
Like in First Contact, it should have taken the Enterprise E two weeks at maximum warp, to get from the neutral zone back to earth.
That part
More like 2 months at the very least. The shortest distance I’ve seen indicated between the neutral zone and earth is about 1200 light years.
Thats because they didnt actually go to the neutral zone, on the novel, the E hangs out a few hours away from the battle in secret. Notice in the movie how sarcasticaly riker says they have finished their first sensor sweep of the neutral zone
@@dananderson6708 That indicates they violated their order to scan and be at the neutral zone, already long before they decided to violate the order and join the battle.
Except their scanners now work over a distance of 1000 light years.
Excellent video showing the scale of our galaxy and warp speeds! I’ve always been curios to see a “race” such as this. Well done!
My main concern with the concept of FTL travel has always been how craft, let alone the people onboard would survive the trip without being liquified by the insane amount of gravitational forces being applied to them while travelling at such ridiculous speeds. I know there are canon explanations for the technology that makes it possible, but it always seemed like a major stretch imo.
For Warp drive, it cheats. The field reduces the mass of the ship and its contents to zero (for Warp 1) or into the negatives for anything higher, cheating inertia. The actual force propelling the craft is still impulse drive, so when the field collapses and the craft drops to impulse, it resumes its normal inertia rather than catastrophically decelerating. That's also why they don't have to slow down halfway to their destination, since they assume interplanetary speeds instantly.
Taking it further, those insane forces you mention would require insane amounts of fuel (even if is IS antimatter) if we stick to conventional physics. If you solve the problem of how to go fast without a fuel tank the size of a moon, then saving the crew from getting squished likely follows as a direct consequence.
@@epiendless1128 the need for negative energy etc has recently been removed. Under current real life theories, we don't need any non-conventional energy anymore to create a warp bubble, just a lot of normal energy.
And indeed, noone is splattered.
Now that the math has been mostly worked out and the difficult energy requirements removed, and NASA is running warp field experiments, I expect in a few decades we might see a small scale real life warp drive. We know it should be theoretically possible.
@@ukeyaoitrash2618 yes but we still haven't gotten the slightest clue as to how you actually go about creating a warp field. We have no idea how to construct a device that will actually manipulate the fabric of spacetime. All we have are theoretical solutions to Einsteins field equations that no longer require negative energy. As I understand it you can just plug in values into those equations and they will tell you the mass/energy distribution required for a given spacetime geometry. From what I understand you can cook up many possible solutions to those equations but I'm not a physicist so take that with a grain of salt.
It's fascinating to think about. A) because spacetime expansion does go on in nature and any process that occurs naturally ought to be replicatable at least on a small scale. B) because it wouldn't quite have to be like Star Trek where future ships go faster and faster but still only a a few hundred multiples of c. Once you can move spacetime (with new physics) who's to say you can't go billions of times faster than c
The ship doesn't actually move at all.
It stays perfectly still inside its warp bubble.
As far as plot holes go this just flat-out isn't one _at all_
I would love a comparison between the destructive abilities of the same ships you used in this video
According to the canon, the Enterprise E represents the most destructive power here, though Voyager bounds past her with her upgrades from VOY: Endgame.
Ryan Alderfer Yes Ablative armor and Trans Phasic torpedoes. The armor alone would give you such an overwhelming advantage!
Well, the Enterprise E, Defiant, and the Prometheus all had ablative armor. However, Voyager got an Ablative Armor generator that somehow used the shields to generate layers of ablative armor around the ship, apparently replicating new armor as old layers were destroyed. And I don't think anything needs to be said about transphasic torpedoes. They speak for themselves.
The destructive ablitiles are harder to measure as they full extent of the weapons wasnt really shown. In terms of combat the defant is suprisingly powerful givin it was built to literally go against Brog and its small size makes it much more maneuverable. The soverign class though was basically the most powerful ship in the federation as far as we know with the exception of voyager which had literal plot armor in the last episode
Ryan, whatever transphasic means, it doesn't sounds inhumane, it sounds even worst than that.
This is so dorky. I absolutely love it and that's why I subscribed.
ToonamiT0M Me too 😊
This is great! Was just watching Enterprise and this kinda helps understand the struggle of that crew.
The problem with the warp scale is the fact that according to TNG-era scientists, warp 10 was an impossible 'infinite speed'. In the novels, it's described as being 'everywhere and nowhere at once'. Not quite in those words, but it's demonstrated in the novel 'Vendetta'.
Yes, because each increase is exponential. Warp 9.9 and warp 9.99 is the difference between 3029C and 7912C. Warp 9.999 is 32,100C. Warp 10 is infinite speed, which would mean that you are literally everywhere at once.
Warp 10 = Whormhole
Everywhere and nowhere at once? OH, I get it. The Hitch Hikers's Guide to the Galaxy talked about that. The Infinite Improbability drive could do that. The trick was that during the really fast motion, you might turn into an overstuffed couch, because probability was a bit wonky at that speed.
Whilst warp 9.975 is elsewhere suggested to be 5552 times lightspeed, instead - a bit higher, than EC Henry lists.@@heresjonny666
Even with the "revised scale" space is still "really really big" and the writers screw with the time required to get from point A to point B continuously. They just never say "Engage Plot Drive!" out loud...
Hey! You want science fiction, read a book. Television is about entertainment, not reality.
Yes, but every story ever written depends on some convenient plot device or another. Don't over-analyze, just let it go.
www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/Voyager-Technical-Manual/Page_16.jpg
My take away: Light is SO slow! :) Great job!
Indeed. Light is terribly slow. Does not seem like it from out vantage point but if we ever want to go anywhere other than our own solar system light-speed is insufficient.
we need right to, ludicrous speed!!!
Lol the fastest thing we know that exists is SO slow!
it's dissapointing to think that FTL will most likely never happen
Physics can't be defeated.
3:03 Movie mistake. In the latest Enterprise series (NX-01) (with a maximum WARP of 5) The characters miraculously managed to fly to two star systems to save the child of the blue alien and manage to return to the creation of the Federation (it took them no more than a day) Although on WARP 5 it takes 8.5 DAYS to fly only to Proxima Centauri...
This is the *best* example of warp speeds I've ever seen.
IKR!
Yeah, but how fast can it do the kessel run?
It would probably take them many light years to do it.
StarTrek ships are NOT transgalactic... soooo decades, or centurys?!
@@mho... It would take the Enterprise E, using the figures in the video, 436 years to even GET to the Andromeda Galaxy, our nearest neighbor. That the Star Wars galaxy is described as "far, far away" implies that it is most certainly not cosmologically nearby. I imagine that an astronomer wouldn't consider a galaxy "far, far away" until hundreds of millions to billions of lightyears.
Of course, Q could just punt them right to Kessel at the right time and place for them to test their luck. The question then becomes, how fast can they technobabble their way into getting through a cluster of black holes? (As fast as the plot needs them to, of course.)
Not as fast as an astramax van
@@napoleontheclown in a Galaxy Far Far away, in a place where they still speak English and walk on 2 legs. :)
This is super fascinating :)
And yet, comparing to the Dreadnoughts in E. E. "Doc" Smiths Lensman Series, which fly through our entire Milky Way Galaxy in 20 minutes.. well :P
Love this stuff. Thank you for taking the time to do it I hope you're still out here doing it because there's something I'd like you to try to make a comparison too. Warp drive vs. Transwarp drive also known as quantum slipstream. Here is Borg Collective explanation of what their technology can do.
by 2374 - A vessel belonging to species 116 named the Dauntless was assimilated by the collective, it's quantum slipstream capable of speeds of at least 10,000 light-years per hour. That is 87,600,000c was assimilated and adapted to enhance the previous transwarp conduit technology. C= the exact speed of light.
I hope this isn't too much. I would love to see the differences with the same type diagram you used to make the differences between the different Enterprises. Thank you in advance
Warp one is slightly faster than the speed of light. Covered in one of the novels. It’s actually described really well too. The symbol that everyone wears for starfleet on their uniforms represents the basic theory of why the ships can go faster then the speed of light in warp speed. They couldn’t break the rule so they go around it. The A shape with the star in the center. The bottom represents the speed of light, the Star symbol represents a ship going faster than, and the arch around the top and connected to the bottom line represents the warp bubble generated around the ship.
Wow, thats pretty interesting. Thanks for sharing this!
dang, I always thought it was a modern representation of the Golden Gate Bridge, as their HQ was in SF
Brilliant. I'd like to see a comparison of how long it would take to get to the next nearest star?
The nearest star is 4.37 light years away. Here's the breakdown:
• NX-01 -- 273 hours
• Enterprise -- 75 hours
• Enterprise D -- 20 hours
• Defiant -- 21 hours
• Voyager -- 9 hours
• Enterprise E -- 7 hours
+J.J. Shank
amazingly its all fictional..
speed of light is 186,000 miles per second
Please post this same comment a few more times.
+soslothful
you need to be more "pacific" about what comment you are wanting repeated. . you are funny though, have you measured your feet and worked out neither of your feet are a foot yet ?
Damn, so around 11-12 days to get to Alpha/Proxima (?) Centauri for the NX-01....
Reverse Angle, Lore Reloaded, Junkball... Nah. This is the most interesting Trekkie TH-cam channel 👌😂
I know that dialog references to how fast the ships are travelling are often very inconsistent, but Tom Paris gives the most explicit link we’ve ever seen between a warp factor and its real life speed in “The 37s”, when he says that warp 9.9 is equivalent to 4 billion miles per second. That comes out to around 21,000 c, considerably higher than the numbers you’ve used.
Again, dialog is all over the place in shows like this, but to my knowledge we never have another example of a character flat out saying that warp factor X corresponds to Y speed, so this should count for something in our understanding of canonical speeds.
Its a Chinese manual badly translated into English.
Here's an Excerpt:
Transporter Room:
For the room of Transport, first engage the collectors of Bussard, then walk to the pad of standing whist enhancement of patterns is happily opened.
When all patterns are strictly enhanced and no appendages are of any distance from the pad of standing, happy energising may commence.
Quantum Torpedoes
Place the lines of quantum in the straws aligned for their purpose.
When the line of quantum is firmly in the straw the alignment of magnetic corsets will engage.
Warp Drive
The Engine of extreme speed is standing in the mechanical room. The enemy of matter engines will be ready to march forward when the ratio of matter and it's enemy are married.
Also, in the chinese manual section for warp drive : " Please do not be heavy forcing warp drive, as you could blow up it".
So you're the guy that writes those manuals? Damn you!! Lol
This is amazing. I have never seen anyone do something like this before.
PHENOMENAL explanation! Thank you so much!!!
I really love this. Would be interesting to see how long journeys to nearby stars would take - considerably sped up, obviously.
I e come across this video several times in my feed and EVERY single time I watch it. Never get tired of it
-and re-read the Clint Tapper thesis
They go as fast as the script requires them to
True
Exactly: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Warp_factor
there ya go! strait to it!
@MrLeermeister Because the warp factor scale was recalculated. The video maker even mentioned that the scale was redone. Warp 36 on the old scale would correspond to something like warp 9.996 or something like that. Maybe warp 9.999. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warp_drive#Warp_velocities
@MrLeermeister It's the truth. The creators of the shows redid the scales between the two series, both out of universe and in-universe. You can call it an "excuse" but unlike a lot of fanwank (which I'm totally guilty of because it's fun damn it) this one has some basis in reality.
I love stuff like this that gives a visual reference to better comprehend a subject. Earth to Jupiter is a massive distance so the race with the nx 01 and 1701 gave me an appreciation for the speeds being traveled. With that being said it blows my mind at how fast the E and voyager get to interstellar space. Really makes me wish we had this technology today.
how can you not love this!!!
Tom Paris achieved warp 10 in a shuttle craft before evolving into a lizard. That’s significant I feel.
Patrick Rodriguez Thank you for bringing that up!
And that is why the enterprise-E doesn't go warp 10.
Test Account Please Ignore Because one significantly shit episode is enough? ;)
Tom paris is a smug and cocky W*?!?* who thinks he can do anything... part of me was hoping just as he is abouts to get to w10 a big sign appears on the screen saying NOPE! ..signed god and sends them back to the beginning again for trying to cheat :D .. or the whole ship exploded either or .. lol :D
Warp factor 10 = lizard factor 1. LOL
Quantum slipstream and transwarp versus standard warp drives
No, I don't think there was anything about slipstream and transwarp in this video. Maybe a missed it and you can tell me what time in the video they were mentioned?
JanetFunkYeah they didn't mention it video idea
Who did not mention a video idea?
It was a video suggestion
Warp 10 drive faster than both
In the first episode of Enterprise. Archer and Trip mention warp 4.5, and Archer says, "Neptune and back in 6 minutes" funny how that math actually checks out. They really did pay someone in 2004 to sit down with a calculator and AOL to figure out how long it would take for a round trip to neptune from earth at warp 4.5 in the TOS scale. All for a throwaway line that most people forgot.
I LOVE this stuff, thanks for posting!!!
So light we see from Jupiter is 40 minutes old? Wow, I didn't realize just how far away even objects in our own solar system were!
Yes, and the light we see reflected off Earth's surface is eight minutes old.
You should probably just remove "guy" from your username.
Every time you look at the sun its 8 minutes old 😃
If you could drive a Bugatti Veyron Super Sport at its fastest registered speed through space it'd take it about 5600 years for it to reach the current location of the space probe Voyager 1, which has been travelling through the star system since 1977.
So yeah, distances in space are vast.
Edwin Cheesecake
I'm pretty sure that last scenario wouldn't happen, given we know about the rate of expansion even now
Put Janeway inside Enterprise-E, let it mature and observe how faster it gets.
Better yet, put Janeway iniside Enterprise NX-01, let it mature for a whole 4 years and observe it become faster than Enterprise-E.
Not possible, I hear you say? Janeway will MAKE it possible!
Janeway kicks arses.
There's coffee in that nebula and I'm going to find it.
James I wouldn’t risk using timed explosives and would have taken the same action as Janeway. The risk of the Kazon getting their hands on the caretaker’s advanced space station was just too great.
The ship would get so annoyed with her that it would speed itself up or self destruct.
@@recon4085 Given that the crew of Voyager had no clue how long it would take them to reprogram the array in order to send them home, and the Kazon were already there, timed explosive weren't an option.
great video!!!!
love these kinds of vids, reality vs. sci-fi!!
and it clearly illustrates how big space is!!!
I really like this video. Nice work. I don't know how much is out there, but it would be neat to see a comparison of how the warp fields are formed around these same ships. Especially since the Intrepid class introduced the variable geometry pylons.
This really helps one understand just how fast these ships actually go on a scale we can easily comprehend. I knew they were fast but never had anything to visually compare them to like this.
Someday WARP speed will be a reality for humanity. I doubt it'll happen anytime soon but given enough time I believe anything you can imagine in the mind will eventually be possible in reality.
Moving really fast isn't the secret. The fastest way to get from 2 points, say New York and Los Angeles - common theory would say "a straight line", but the actual quickest way is to fold space and take 1 step forwards. The Alcubierre Drive is very interesting and if we could make it work without it drawing such an incredible amount of power, it could be useful. But learning to fold space is what we need to do if we really want to explore the neighbourhood.
@@GRSZiik Yep I'm familiar with it. My point is that one day humanity will figure it all out and we'll have that ability.
I love these videos, that rationalise the Star Trek universe. Thank you for taking the time to do these!!
Second comparison is gold-there was that ENT episode where the NX alpha was being tested to go to Jupiter after all.
Great comparison, well put in perspective
I’m sure that it feels faster when you’re listening to steppenwolf.
100% correct
gawainethefirst that’s probably the best reply!!! I love that scene!!!
What a bunch of metal heads, but I love it😜
Hahaha amazing reply :D Love "First Contact" :)
Looks like it's a logarithmic scale for warp speeds.
It's just a power function. Under the revised (next gen) scale, the warp factor F gives a velocity of F^(10/3)c. This breaks between Warp 9 and Warp 10, which is canonically "infinite velocity", even though the power function does not have an asymptote at F=10.
Edit: Looking more closely, I have no idea where EC Henry got the warp factor to speed conversions for this video. They don't correspond to any sources I've seen.
@@patrickd5972 That is the FOURTH distinct scale I have seen. Everytime I look it up, I find s different scale.
@@patrickd5972 I don't see how that function has any asymptote. I don't see how there is any infinitely fast warp number.
Warp Factors 1 through 9 are exponential, with the speed determined by s(F)=F^(10/3)c where c is the speed of light and F is the warp factor. Warp factors 9.0001 to 10 is logarithmic (or asymptotic depending on your axes' orientation), with s(10) being infinity.
Excellent way to demonstrate this visually .
Impressive, I have been looking for a good explanation of this for a while.
ENT Broken Bow, Neptune and back (at Warp 4.5) was said to be 6 minutes.
Actually, it's second:milisecond, not minute:second.
Wasn't it 10 minutes? Also, Neptune is 6 times further from the sun than Jupiter is, so the second comparison sounds about right.
Takes time to turn around.
"Neptune and back in six minutes."
memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Broken_Bow_(episode)#Memorable_quotes
So is the line of dialog wrong? You would think the technobabble people would have made the proper calculations to get that right. Or is EC Henry's interpretation of ENTERPRISE's Warp 4.5 incorrect?
You forgot ludicrous speed and going into plaid.
No I don't think they did... Voyager made it's way past warp 10 at one point but it proved to be very detrimental to the health of the passengers as they turned into weird (I think lizard like) creatures after coming out of warp.
James Ellis,
I think we can safely disregard that ridiculous episode, Borg cubes can go warp 13 and in STO you can go faster than warp 30 with the Quantum Slipstream Drive. (I'm not 100% sure if STO is canon or not but either way) And I'm sure there are other examples of ships going faster than warp 10 safely and consistently.
And what about Excelsior and trans-warp drive?
*M Y B R A I N S A R E G O I N G I N T O M Y F E E T*
That was some funny shit! I needed that man.
The crazy thing about this is that even at these entirely theoretical (and very probably impossible) speeds even our own Galaxy is crazy big and unreachable let alone the Universe.
I heard Kirk say, "Take me to Jupiter. *smile+pose till the end of the shot* " and when the race ended I heard Sulu say something about having arrived at Jupiter. The timing on the race was literally how long it would have taken on the show in-between those lines. Maybe there would be a Spock line, like he just questions Kirk like, " *questioning glance* Jupiter?"
So Warp Speed is an exponential scale.
indeed.
The "old" scale from TOS was basically a cubic formula so warp 6 = 6³ = 216c and so on.
The later scale is much more complex (in fact It was roughly drawn on a napkin) Up to warp 9 (1516 c) they aren't too extreme but afterwards they go crazy (warp 9.6 = 1909c, warp 9.8 = 2313c, warp 9.9 = 3053c, warp 9.96 = 4255c, warp 9.975 = 5162c, warp 9.985 = 7300c, warp 9.99=7912c, warp 9.991 = 8238c and so on)
@@HappyBeezerStudios How fast is warp 10 in "c" units?
No, it isn't exponential, it's logarithmic.
@@raymondgabriel5724 Infinite
@@seamon9732 Now, in the TOS it was only 1,000xC then TNG you get a limit, Nomad and the Kelvans had the Enterprise going at Warp 11 and then that alien computer had the Enterprise slowly increasing it's speed to Warp 14/15 so it would explode. I liked the speed back then, no limit, it was even mentioned in TAS.
This is why I never understood why, in the closing scene, Kirk would often say something like, "Mr. Sulu, ahead warp factor one." At that rate, it would take almost the entire five year mission to reach Proxima Centauri. Or, for that matter, the stars streaming past the viewport at warp one. It just doesn't work that way.
I dont think those are stars but just streaks of light
Way back in the 1960's when Star Trek first came out, there was an equation showing the idea for what Warp factors were. Not only did you cube the factor (Warp 2 = 2x2x2 = 8 times light speed), but you also included what was called the "Cochrane Factor" which was dependent on ambient spatial mass (such as hydrogen atoms, etc.). The more mass traveled through, the greater the velocity. Although it could be reduced to nearly zero outside the galaxy (making intergalactic travel a major problem), while within the Milky Way the average spatial mass would propel the vessel around 1200 times faster. Applying the Cochrane Factor into the equation, the Kirk's Enterprise going at Warp 1 would arrive at Proxima Centauri in less than 2 days, and at Warp 8 in a matter of minutes. They obviously, for story reasons, recalculated the Warp factors a bit. Ships move at Plot Speed now.
Oh, and regardless of the speeds, Warp 1 was still the most energy efficient.
I always figured that was like ordering "all ahead slow" navigating out of a congested region, with higher warp factors to be ordered up once they clear the hazard.
@@AubriGryphon Yup and not every destination was uber far away. Sometimes they were just going to another planet in the same system or a star base just over there or to do scientific research blah blah. You don't use maximun speed to get everywhere because it still burns resources. Not to mention that various ships services need time to prepare for missions as well as officers and staff. Imagine trying to handle 5 missions a day? One trade negotiation, one mining operation, a ships refit, a diplomatic transport mission and an archaeological survey on completely different worlds and parts of the galaxy. You can get to each place the same day but............are you going to be prepared for each unique situation when you get there? Naw........you slack off a bit so there's time.
I always remember in the episode where Captain Jelico is in command of the Enterprise, he tells Data at one point "I want to be at nebula in 15 minutes!" to which data says "Aye, sir!" and gets them to there in 15 minutes. But 15 minutes at warp 9.6 barely gets you anywhere you aren't already more-or-less at.
I don't remember writing that
@@davej9228 me neither
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Even with Voyager being that fast, they were still stuck in one galaxy.. There are hundreds of billions of galaxies. We are small.
MrGriff305 yeah it just goes to show that the thought of leaving our galaxy let alone entering a new one is physically impossible. Even lightspeed is far too slow and we've only achieved to go under 1% the speed.
mans not hot
If we can develop FTL we could probably get to Andromeda, but unless it's instant point-to-point travel we probably won't get beyond our local cluster.
but made it to the space dock
Wessle. Nice.
Not to mention some kind of inertial dampeners. Otherwise we all go SPLAT on the back wall.
I REALLY want warp speed to be obtainable in real life - in my lifetime!
I once read a Sci-fi book which explained how they could ride the light, the technology they had gave them the ability to travel from star to star instantaneously anywhere in the Universe.
Kj16V Anything is possible at this point.
Yeah, unfortunately that is very unlikely to happen for a very, very long time. I'm paraphrasing had, but it is theoretically possible to bend space-time around a ship (at least that is what a NASA scientist has said), but the amount of energy it would take to do so was somewhere in the neighborhood of all of Jupiter converted to energy.
So yeah, we are quite a long ways off on this. There is quite a bit of tech we will see in our lifetimes that will be cool, but this one here is likely the most challenging. Which I always found funny that in the Trekverse, there isn't that many androids doing away missions, etc. Since we will totally have that tech long before something that looks like warp speed.
Nah, we're not ready for that. Either somebody will blow up a warp reactor on Earth, or somebody will fly a ship at warp speed into the Earth. This whole space exploration thing is something for the species that comes after we are gone.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive you may want to read this
That was cool! Thanks for this video! Subscribed!
This was an amazing breakdown! Thanks! 👍🏽
The TOS ENTERPRISE was capable of doing 990 light years in 11 hours at warp 8. They changed the warp curve in TNG because they said warp speed was to fast. They needed the Galaxy to be more vast. So TNG crew could continue to Explorer strange new worlds. In TOS Star Base 12 is in the gamma quadrant. It would be interesting to see just how fast and old warp curve really was.
In all fairness, it was very early in the franchise's life, and a lot of the technical aspects of Star Trek weren't fleshed out or recorded until The Next Generation or later. If anything, TOS was really bad at making things up as it went along.
" _Starbase 12 was a Federation starbase administered by Starfleet. It was located on a planet in the Gamma 400 system, in Sector 25712, in the _*_Alpha_*_ Quadrant._ "
I think the above calculations are a bit off - reading in the past TOS warp was an exact multiple of warp hence warp 1 was the speed of light etc.. then TNG changed it out to be a multiple of the speed of light eg. warp 3 = 3x3x3= 18 times the speed of light but then again I never did figure out why a distress signal originating from 5 light years away, took the enterprise D 12 hours to get to the location ( at warp 9 would have been about 6 minutes ) or Voyager to go back 10 light years would add months to thier journey this was actually something I was working on many yearas ago but put it on the back burner - thinking I am going to have to dig up all my notes :)
@@KevinHayes1103 warp factor cubed was a rule of thumb for TOS whereas TNG used a (hand drawn) asymptotic scale. That said, TOS was the one that most prone to just using plot drive without writers having any sense of scale
All correct, but I do generally ignore the (backstage) sector 25712 reference, as they say that's where the Mutara Nebula is, too.
And I don't think they can both be in the same place.
Plus the sector number is way higher than other 'nearby' ones, like 21166 and 21503.@@Zeithri
I just watched a video on the speed of fictional ships at 3am......ty TH-cam
I was thinking about the fact that over 4000x the speed of light made no sense for Voyager since Janeway said it would take 75 years to traverse 70,000 lightyears, but then I remembered that cruising speed will be significantly lower. I don’t remember the hard number, but I feel like Janeway often ordered warp 6 towards the ends of episodes. Maybe that was the least strenuous speed on the warp drive. It may be warp 8 though. I haven’t watched Voyager in a couple years though so correct me if I’m wrong
This is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Thank you!
2:28 😂😂😂 "engage"
To think that all this time, the Federation's just been tooling around our own little galaxy...
This was exceptional. Thank you.
Great video. Thank you! Very inspiring! Good work! 👾