My parish as a child always kept Christmas till the “Epiphany”, the second Sunday after Christmas. But My family always kept it till “Candlemas” on February 2nd, the feast of the “Presentation” of Baby Jesus.
Aristotle's greatest student was Alexander the Great and he did not follow Aristotle's teachings on political economy. No, he instead united the independent Greek city states into a Greek nation and went on to build a Greek empire.
All subsidiarity means is matters should be handled at the lowest level of authority that is competent to do so. Nothing more. It doesn’t mean smaller levels of authority get to do whatever they want because they’re small and/or local. It doesn’t mean higher levels of governments can never step in. This is nonsense. Large Catholic empires and states existed throughout history. As long as effective local government officials ran the day to day operations there was no problem. The church is enormously large as it should be. There’s nothing inherently wrong with size.
@@thunderstruck6647 most effective. In America for instance you first look to the local government and if they can’t efficaciously handle a situation or govern then the state steps in. If the state can’t then the feds step in. It’s not a complicated concept.
@@macroglossumstellatarum3068 not necessarily. There’s extremely incompetent local government officials all over. This all stems from the natural law principle where the family is the core unit of a society. A family has a right to run their household and has first opportunity. They’re most familiar with the needs of their members and should know the best way to achieve flourishing. However If the parents are abusive, incompetent, evil etc then they no longer have that right and local or state authorities can step in. That’s all subsidiarity is. What individuals are able to do societies shouldn’t take over. What small societies can do larger societies shouldn’t take over.
@@macroglossumstellatarum3068more equipped in certain matters as it is closer to the people with the issue and can have a more calibrated response verses the broad brush of a more removed governing body.
You may want to try… Give up all processed food. Eat organic. Give up gluten, dairy, corn, coffee, sugar, and soy for 90 days and see how you feel. Limit animal products. Eat grass fed & finished beef, pasture raised chickens and eggs from pasture raised chickens. Eat wild caught salmon. Avoid seed oils. Get your vitamin B12 and D levels checked. Our agricultural and food practices have been bastardized. Buy for Stephanie the book “Nourishing Traditions” cookbook by Sally Fallon
Tim apparently doesn't understand the concept of economies of scale or the benefits of Imperium. One Christ, one Church, one emperor, one empire. Pax Christi and Pax Roma.
Should the Spanish Empire not have expanded to the New World? It seems it went against subsidiarity by governing two continents from thousands of miles away.
I don’t think that’s a valid counterargument for this reason: Colonialism is a practical problem for an empire. Polities can still exist under an empire and would simply be established in the new world once colonial activities were complete and the local population had been converted to Catholicism, a local polity would be established under 100k per. Open to discussion, I’ve always felt more in agreement with Tim. Small polities all under the rule of Rome seems to be the best combination of small, effective government under the Hand of God’s Church with total religious submission
@@macroglossumstellatarum3068 Yeah I honestly don’t have a solid opinion on this, just kind of curious about all of it. I think there was a video a while back where Tim debated this guy on the British Empire and how it’s control of African territories was anti-subsidiarity. The Catholic Church also doesn’t teach that imperialism is necessary for evangelization. I can think of Ireland and the Rus/Slavic peoples as examples of nations that were evangelized but did not become part of the Roman Empire.
Tim is talking about political economy but fails to talk about economics or the type of society that is being governed. He also fails to talk about well being which is central to the common good.
Tim talks about subsidiary but fails to talk about subsidiary. He also fails to provide empirical evidence to support his philosophical arguments on the proper size of a polity or a republic or a country.
I am not that favorable to the "small government" ideal as espoused in the anglo-saxon west concurrently however I will say the Venetian Republic embodied some or a lot of the ideals Tim is talking about here for neigh a 1000 years.
Bishop Barron is the bishop of the diocese I reside in, he is a yes man from what I have seen. He restricts the Latin Mass to not be said anywhere that novos ordo is said even though other dioceses in Minnesota allow for the TLM to be celebrated in many parishes. My old parish is the only TLM in the diocese as well. We had to go to a high school that is not always available and Bishop Barron seems like he wants to be agreeable and popular especially with Rome first, but to the face of the person in front of him whomever it may be. I don’t trust Bishop Barron on any of his “traditional” stances because he does the opposite in reality.
"Working" on "the Sabbath?" Must be a "traditionalist" "gatekeeper..!" "Priests" "work on the Sabbath.. SIMILAR "WORK..." Second he doesn't get paid! J
My parish as a child always kept Christmas till the “Epiphany”, the second Sunday after Christmas.
But
My family always kept it till “Candlemas” on February 2nd, the feast of the “Presentation” of Baby Jesus.
Tim’s book ‘Catholic Republic’ will stand the test of time.
It is a blueprint for what the United States must become.
This was very helpful. One of your best.
I'm no philosopher, but...I really enjoyed Knowles/Barron even though most seemed to go over my head. I liked what you added.
Aristotle's greatest student was Alexander the Great and he did not follow Aristotle's teachings on political economy. No, he instead united the independent Greek city states into a Greek nation and went on to build a Greek empire.
❤Dr. Timothy Gordon at his best.
Micheal Knowles: Spokesman for Catholic Lite.
All subsidiarity means is matters should be handled at the lowest level of authority that is competent to do so. Nothing more. It doesn’t mean smaller levels of authority get to do whatever they want because they’re small and/or local. It doesn’t mean higher levels of governments can never step in. This is nonsense. Large Catholic empires and states existed throughout history. As long as effective local government officials ran the day to day operations there was no problem. The church is enormously large as it should be. There’s nothing inherently wrong with size.
Genuine question but what would be the criteria of “most competent” at the lowest level?
Isn’t the point that smaller, local governance is, as you say, more competent? Tim’s just drawing a conclusion based on the concept
@@thunderstruck6647 most effective. In America for instance you first look to the local government and if they can’t efficaciously handle a situation or govern then the state steps in. If the state can’t then the feds step in. It’s not a complicated concept.
@@macroglossumstellatarum3068 not necessarily. There’s extremely incompetent local government officials all over. This all stems from the natural law principle where the family is the core unit of a society. A family has a right to run their household and has first opportunity. They’re most familiar with the needs of their members and should know the best way to achieve flourishing. However If the parents are abusive, incompetent, evil etc then they no longer have that right and local or state authorities can step in. That’s all subsidiarity is. What individuals are able to do societies shouldn’t take over. What small societies can do larger societies shouldn’t take over.
@@macroglossumstellatarum3068more equipped in certain matters as it is closer to the people with the issue and can have a more calibrated response verses the broad brush of a more removed governing body.
Excellent discussion, thank you for this enjoyable discussion on a topic not dissected enough.
😊❤
Tim I feel like you get sick a lot - have you been that way since childhood?
You may want to try… Give up all processed food. Eat organic. Give up gluten, dairy, corn, coffee, sugar, and soy for 90 days and see how you feel. Limit animal products. Eat grass fed & finished beef, pasture raised chickens and eggs from pasture raised chickens. Eat wild caught salmon. Avoid seed oils. Get your vitamin B12 and D levels checked. Our agricultural and food practices have been bastardized.
Buy for Stephanie the book “Nourishing Traditions” cookbook by Sally Fallon
Christmas-tide lasts until February 2nd.
Are Tim's books still on Kindle. They seem to be unavailable. Anyone else having this issue. I wanted to read all his books this year on kindle.
Tim apparently doesn't understand the concept of economies of scale or the benefits of Imperium. One Christ, one Church, one emperor, one empire. Pax Christi and Pax Roma.
Very interesting points on Locke.
Should the Spanish Empire not have expanded to the New World? It seems it went against subsidiarity by governing two continents from thousands of miles away.
Tim twists the teaching on subsidiarity to fit his political preferences to an embarrassing degree.
Subsidiary means the closest authority should do something. All Is Hierarchy!
I don’t think that’s a valid counterargument for this reason:
Colonialism is a practical problem for an empire. Polities can still exist under an empire and would simply be established in the new world once colonial activities were complete and the local population had been converted to Catholicism, a local polity would be established under 100k per.
Open to discussion, I’ve always felt more in agreement with Tim. Small polities all under the rule of Rome seems to be the best combination of small, effective government under the Hand of God’s Church with total religious submission
@@macroglossumstellatarum3068 Yeah I honestly don’t have a solid opinion on this, just kind of curious about all of it. I think there was a video a while back where Tim debated this guy on the British Empire and how it’s control of African territories was anti-subsidiarity. The Catholic Church also doesn’t teach that imperialism is necessary for evangelization. I can think of Ireland and the Rus/Slavic peoples as examples of nations that were evangelized but did not become part of the Roman Empire.
I don't know how Portugal recreated the Empire in the 29th century
What the heck does "Parish orphans and retrogrades" mean?
nation pluralism is good
culture pluralism is bad
What hymns was that?!
Laudetur Iesus Christus Deo Gratias Laus Deo Christus Rex
Tim is talking about political economy but fails to talk about economics or the type of society that is being governed. He also fails to talk about well being which is central to the common good.
“RAY-gens-burg”
Barron is a terrific orator like Arius the heretic
Great video. Pope Benedict XVI resigned so that Jorge Bergoglio would become Pope.
Benedict let in the destroyer.
Tim talks about subsidiary but fails to talk about subsidiary. He also fails to provide empirical evidence to support his philosophical arguments on the proper size of a polity or a republic or a country.
I am not that favorable to the "small government" ideal as espoused in the anglo-saxon west concurrently however I will say the Venetian Republic embodied some or a lot of the ideals Tim is talking about here for neigh a 1000 years.
Bishop Barron is the bishop of the diocese I reside in, he is a yes man from what I have seen. He restricts the Latin Mass to not be said anywhere that novos ordo is said even though other dioceses in Minnesota allow for the TLM to be celebrated in many parishes. My old parish is the only TLM in the diocese as well. We had to go to a high school that is not always available and Bishop Barron seems like he wants to be agreeable and popular especially with Rome first, but to the face of the person in front of him whomever it may be. I don’t trust Bishop Barron on any of his “traditional” stances because he does the opposite in reality.
Yea, can never trust a “yes man”.
Yea you can never trust a “yes man”
Why are you working on a Sabbath?!
Sunday isn't the Sabbath, according to the catechism.
Every day is the sabbath, retard
"Working" on "the Sabbath?" Must be a "traditionalist" "gatekeeper..!" "Priests" "work on the Sabbath.. SIMILAR "WORK..." Second he doesn't get paid! J
This is not a servil work.
You need to lighten up and have a root beer.
Dude...buy some Speedstick!