Yesterday I was checking to see if Duke Sloth was going to go back to smite 2 was disappointed but now that I found this, I am hoping that this is what I was needing.
Im excited to see more of your work. I don't tend to comment on videos, but I really want you to know that your stuff is exceptional. Keep up the good work
Great video, randomly found your channel through the recommended tab and am happy to find a math based optimization channel. Got a question for you though. These builds we see you put up on screen are they in order of build order? Like in the example with the Sol builds her #1 rated build looks like you start with death bringer? Then demon blade second? Would this not be very expensive for a first item on her? Typically from my experience just playing the game smite 1 and 2 you dont typically start with such a expensive item like death bringer first. Or are the builds shown not in order? More of a "get these items but the order is up to you"? If they're in order from buy first to last then is the model thinking "how do i keep their DOS the highest throughout the game" or just taking that into account once full build is reached?
@@thedoomslayer5863 Hi! Thanks for the comment! Yeah the builds are unfortunately spat out in a random order as I have no way to actually calculate order! So buy them in which ever order you see fit. So yes the builds are what you’re aiming for late game, but the order is your choice
@@SmiteMaths Gotcha. So the effort on our end is to determine what is the best order to buy the items in. Well at least that is a lot less complicated than finding the best items in general. And it may be impossible or very hard to find the optimal buy order in the practice mode. Maybe custom with bots but that's not very accurate either. Either way, Can't wait to see you do this for junglers/assassins. Btw. To hedge against a patch making the entire video irrelevant you could use YT shorts to post updates to videos that are quick and cover and god or item changes. Just a thought.
hey dude, outta curiosity how did you learn that there's no penetration cap? also, at 7:25 it seems like you say those 3 builds dont utilize ob shard but the bottom row center build has it
When the game was first announced they said they didn’t want to introduce caps because they didn’t want to restrict any mechanics or builds, but I also tested this in jungle practice and saw that 100% pen gave true damage. Thanks for pointing out that error! I literally watched this video about 10times to check everything but that slipped through! I was meant to highlight the bottom right build!
Not in smite 2, in smite 2 it just gives you penetration, I think they might change this, but as it stands it adds to your penetration, it doesn’t reduce enemy penetration
Hey, hi there! Thank you for this excellent video and your findings this is absolutely invaluable! I was begging my adc journey in smite 2 and wanted to learn more. I am intrigued of your opinion on the recent changes is pen and the piercing and shatering effects? I am maining Sol at the moment and she is always fun even in smite 1 when I played her there. Will you be making a new video on the updated changes in the game? Have a wonderful day! ❤
Not your typical hunter, but which of these (if any) would make most sense on a hunter Zeus? 🤔 He gets a lot of atk speed and movement speed from his 2, has a stun and gets 60% stronger basic attack from his passive, which now doesn't go away when you detonate to stun. He's usually my carry pick if Sol was picked by the enemy team before it's my turn to pick since Jing Wei is always banned. His 3 can also serve as a way to finish an enemy that escaped, though he does have the weakness of no escape outside of blink unlike the other hunters.
Honestly after I uploaded I did think about Zeus, maybe I should have modelled him! The only issue with building him with strength is that all of your abilities scale off Int, so you’ll have really low ability damage which might feel really bad, but a 60% increase to auto attack damage is actually crazy if you fully stack your passive on someone, with deathbringer as well you’d actually do insane damage, without crunching the numbers, I’d probably recommend a build like Cowl->devs->demon blade-> exe->deathbringer->muashis dual swords/titans Bane thanks for the comment!
You don't need ability damage when all your abilities have utility. 1 = slow 2 = MS AS speed buff 3 = stun 4 = free passive stacks and 3. All you really need is hastened fatalis to stick
True question here, how viable is the “true damage build” Core items being Ob shard, Titans, Executioners, Demonic grip plus 2 other items and the starter. With Sol I was getting 1000 dps in the practice area so no clue if that’s any indicator of how viable this is
Hi, so the issue with this build is that demonic grip, executioner and totem of death don’t stack, which is why you don’t see any 2 of these items in the same build in my video. But I’m pretty sure you can get 100% pen in a build, and honestly I think it would be fairly viable because of how efficient pen is as a stat, but it will not do more DPS than the builds I’ve listed in my video, maybe if the enemy team all built tanky it would be worth it, but for a standard team comp the builds shown in my video will do more damage! Thanks for the comment!
Hear me out neith burst build and trust me it works I’ve tried. Sands, thoth, gem of iso, poly, rod, deso, soul reaver. No tank can take all the burst and no squishy can live your 123 combo. U have to play souly off your 1 tho so I can be shut down just really fun.
Did you take in count bumba's spear? I know you lose 45% attack speed but the 35% more damage on structures and jungle bosses is quite nice and bumba's golden daggers is quite nice early game.
Hi, yes I did model it but it didn’t appear in the top builds because hunters cowl is just so good. But it’s definitely a good item when not just considering damage to enemy gods! I haven’t got the information in front of me atm but I think you can probably take any build from this video and swap out the starter item and it will still be decent build!
@smitemaths could you or anyone in your community link a new discord invite? The one in the description doesn’t work. Would love to join the community and get more build ideas for smite 2! Amazing video as well, have all of my friends on your video now!
I am and have been planning a video on the code for a while, just for transparency so people know how I’m calculating the builds, but it’s going to be difficult to make an interesting video about it so I’m still coming up with ideas, thanks for the comment!
@@copycalf4865 I haven’t! Maybe if the channel grows or anyone thinks this data is useful, the pros will approach me, but not for now, would be awesome to do some work for the pros tho!
I did model it with 2 stacks and it didn’t appear in the top builds, but with 3 stacks it could be a great item in a hybrid build for Sol or cern, definitely not a terrible item, just not the highest dps
Hello, I just modelled her using only auto attacks, but I think the best way to Build her is as a mage, but im going to do an abilities build video and Neith will feature in that!
Holy moly guacamoly. 60 million combinations per study case is W I L D. As a Python fellow, much respect for your work and for your overworked processors/cooling system. Someone give this man a fresh cold lemonade.
Yeah hahahha, in smite one I managed to whittle the builds down to 300000 combos, when saw saw how large my list of combinations was I honestly thought I wouldn’t be able to test them all, but I found some massive efficiencies compared to my smite one code so luckily I could test them in a reasonable time! Thanks for the comment and lemonade!
its been a fair bit of time sense smite 2 has come out and still people dont build or play jing correctly. i was hoping this video would shine light on the correct way but it didnt. e
@@SmiteMaths I mean that item is a must be auto attack canceling her stim shots will make you fire 3 shot fast then max attack speed. You can kill anubis in his ultimate without moving and no anti heal.
Beads personally, deaths tole/dagger if jungle. Devourer's gauntlet. The reaper. Hydras. Deathbringer. Musashis.qins blade. Early game play safe unless ahead Mid game is around hydras being completed. If you haven't fallen beside or honestly even if you have you with kill any one not building phy Def. Late game everything dies to you but don't be stupid just because you got most likely smites best time to kill in game two tanks can still disrupt you if you are not smart. Anyways just go have fun and try it out.
Hi sorry, I modelled both him and Neith as standard hunters with no additional benefits to their auto attacks, I could have given him some up time on his 1st ability doing 20% Additional damage but I decided against it, if you want to Anhurs builds look at the standard hunter section :) thanks for the comment!
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Build order is also not considered in these builds!
Yesterday I was checking to see if Duke Sloth was going to go back to smite 2 was disappointed but now that I found this, I am hoping that this is what I was needing.
@@toddpilling4985 I hope so too! Thanks for the comment!
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Im excited to see more of your work. I don't tend to comment on videos, but I really want you to know that your stuff is exceptional. Keep up the good work
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Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Another banger video! TY SmiteMaths!
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Excellent video!
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Smite 2 is amazing 🤝
The progress they’re making on it is insane, can’t wait for in a year or 2 when it’s polished up
Great video, randomly found your channel through the recommended tab and am happy to find a math based optimization channel. Got a question for you though.
These builds we see you put up on screen are they in order of build order? Like in the example with the Sol builds her #1 rated build looks like you start with death bringer? Then demon blade second? Would this not be very expensive for a first item on her?
Typically from my experience just playing the game smite 1 and 2 you dont typically start with such a expensive item like death bringer first.
Or are the builds shown not in order? More of a "get these items but the order is up to you"?
If they're in order from buy first to last then is the model thinking "how do i keep their DOS the highest throughout the game" or just taking that into account once full build is reached?
@@thedoomslayer5863 Hi! Thanks for the comment! Yeah the builds are unfortunately spat out in a random order as I have no way to actually calculate order! So buy them in which ever order you see fit. So yes the builds are what you’re aiming for late game, but the order is your choice
@@SmiteMaths Gotcha. So the effort on our end is to determine what is the best order to buy the items in. Well at least that is a lot less complicated than finding the best items in general.
And it may be impossible or very hard to find the optimal buy order in the practice mode. Maybe custom with bots but that's not very accurate either.
Either way, Can't wait to see you do this for junglers/assassins. Btw. To hedge against a patch making the entire video irrelevant you could use YT shorts to post updates to videos that are quick and cover and god or item changes. Just a thought.
Really good quality. I’m jealous
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is stacking the pierce mechanic not possible? like building exe and demonic? or is that not efficient? dope video, as usual, thanks!
Yeah executioner, demonic grip totem of death don’t stack unfortunately! And thank you!
hey dude, outta curiosity how did you learn that there's no penetration cap?
also, at 7:25 it seems like you say those 3 builds dont utilize ob shard but the bottom row center build has it
When the game was first announced they said they didn’t want to introduce caps because they didn’t want to restrict any mechanics or builds, but I also tested this in jungle practice and saw that 100% pen gave true damage.
Thanks for pointing out that error! I literally watched this video about 10times to check everything but that slipped through! I was meant to highlight the bottom right build!
Isn’t executioner prot shred and not penetration? Those two things are calculated separately despite having similar effects.
Not in smite 2, in smite 2 it just gives you penetration, I think they might change this, but as it stands it adds to your penetration, it doesn’t reduce enemy penetration
Hey, hi there! Thank you for this excellent video and your findings this is absolutely invaluable! I was begging my adc journey in smite 2 and wanted to learn more. I am intrigued of your opinion on the recent changes is pen and the piercing and shatering effects? I am maining Sol at the moment and she is always fun even in smite 1 when I played her there. Will you be making a new video on the updated changes in the game? Have a wonderful day! ❤
Hey I was wondering about Zeus adc builds? Would that calculation be possible?
Huge!
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Am I wrong to think obsidian shard on Cernnunos may be worth it for the extra effects on the 1?
Also, are the items in the order you'd build them?
Yeah you can definitely use obshard on cernnunos to boost the effects of your 1! And no sorry I haven’t considered build order here
Not your typical hunter, but which of these (if any) would make most sense on a hunter Zeus? 🤔 He gets a lot of atk speed and movement speed from his 2, has a stun and gets 60% stronger basic attack from his passive, which now doesn't go away when you detonate to stun. He's usually my carry pick if Sol was picked by the enemy team before it's my turn to pick since Jing Wei is always banned. His 3 can also serve as a way to finish an enemy that escaped, though he does have the weakness of no escape outside of blink unlike the other hunters.
Honestly after I uploaded I did think about Zeus, maybe I should have modelled him! The only issue with building him with strength is that all of your abilities scale off Int, so you’ll have really low ability damage which might feel really bad, but a 60% increase to auto attack damage is actually crazy if you fully stack your passive on someone, with deathbringer as well you’d actually do insane damage, without crunching the numbers, I’d probably recommend a build like Cowl->devs->demon blade-> exe->deathbringer->muashis dual swords/titans Bane thanks for the comment!
You don't need ability damage when all your abilities have utility. 1 = slow 2 = MS AS speed buff 3 = stun 4 = free passive stacks and 3. All you really need is hastened fatalis to stick
I liked the mathematicsl breakdown on time to kill, it's especially useful for beefy solo laners who deal as much as they can take 😂
True question here, how viable is the “true damage build”
Core items being Ob shard, Titans, Executioners, Demonic grip plus 2 other items and the starter. With Sol I was getting 1000 dps in the practice area so no clue if that’s any indicator of how viable this is
Hi, so the issue with this build is that demonic grip, executioner and totem of death don’t stack, which is why you don’t see any 2 of these items in the same build in my video. But I’m pretty sure you can get 100% pen in a build, and honestly I think it would be fairly viable because of how efficient pen is as a stat, but it will not do more DPS than the builds I’ve listed in my video, maybe if the enemy team all built tanky it would be worth it, but for a standard team comp the builds shown in my video will do more damage! Thanks for the comment!
what does ttk refer to like in regards to killing what ? titan or objectives?
The whole enemy team!
Great video but could you put a link for your discord?
discord.gg/a5b8cT6W7W 💪
Hear me out neith burst build and trust me it works I’ve tried. Sands, thoth, gem of iso, poly, rod, deso, soul reaver. No tank can take all the burst and no squishy can live your 123 combo. U have to play souly off your 1 tho so I can be shut down just really fun.
Sounds great! The recent smite 2 tournament saw neith build a full int build with transcendence so the burst approach is definitely viable!
@@SmiteMaths I don't feel like smite 2 is any state to be holding any true competitions. That's wild to me! May the more broken build win!
your discord inv is invalid, can i have the new link? also excited for your next video concerning ability damage as a neith player.
Thanks for letting me know, I’ll try and sort it!
Did you take in count bumba's spear? I know you lose 45% attack speed but the 35% more damage on structures and jungle bosses is quite nice and bumba's golden daggers is quite nice early game.
Hi, yes I did model it but it didn’t appear in the top builds because hunters cowl is just so good. But it’s definitely a good item when not just considering damage to enemy gods! I haven’t got the information in front of me atm but I think you can probably take any build from this video and swap out the starter item and it will still be decent build!
@smitemaths could you or anyone in your community link a new discord invite? The one in the description doesn’t work. Would love to join the community and get more build ideas for smite 2! Amazing video as well, have all of my friends on your video now!
discord.gg/a5b8cT6W7W
I'm saying this early without looking into it. But can you show the thing you build to test damage.
I am and have been planning a video on the code for a while, just for transparency so people know how I’m calculating the builds, but it’s going to be difficult to make an interesting video about it so I’m still coming up with ideas, thanks for the comment!
Have you ever talked to pros about this data? Or coaches? Curious their take. You and a pro chatting would be a great vid.
@@copycalf4865 I haven’t! Maybe if the channel grows or anyone thinks this data is useful, the pros will approach me, but not for now, would be awesome to do some work for the pros tho!
@@SmiteMathstranslation we need to raid one of the pro streams at the right time to get your name out there
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Can you test how impactful bracer is as an item?
I did model it with 2 stacks and it didn’t appear in the top builds, but with 3 stacks it could be a great item in a hybrid build for Sol or cern, definitely not a terrible item, just not the highest dps
Are you considering Nieth a mage ????
Hello, I just modelled her using only auto attacks, but I think the best way to
Build her is as a mage, but im going to do an abilities build video and Neith will feature in that!
@SmiteMaths I've liked double stacking haven't tried Thoth on her tho
Where Zeus?
Holy moly guacamoly. 60 million combinations per study case is W I L D. As a Python fellow, much respect for your work and for your overworked processors/cooling system. Someone give this man a fresh cold lemonade.
Yeah hahahha, in smite one I managed to whittle the builds down to 300000 combos, when saw saw how large my list of combinations was I honestly thought I wouldn’t be able to test them all, but I found some massive efficiencies compared to my smite one code so luckily I could test them in a reasonable time! Thanks for the comment and lemonade!
its been a fair bit of time sense smite 2 has come out and still people dont build or play jing correctly. i was hoping this video would shine light on the correct way but it didnt.
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if you wanna know the build and playstyle just ask btw
@@redishblackcat6411You a one shot Jing chad?
Do you mean hydras?
@@SmiteMaths I mean that item is a must be auto attack canceling her stim shots will make you fire 3 shot fast then max attack speed. You can kill anubis in his ultimate without moving and no anti heal.
Beads personally, deaths tole/dagger if jungle. Devourer's gauntlet. The reaper. Hydras. Deathbringer. Musashis.qins blade.
Early game play safe unless ahead
Mid game is around hydras being completed. If you haven't fallen beside or honestly even if you have you with kill any one not building phy Def.
Late game everything dies to you but don't be stupid just because you got most likely smites best time to kill in game two tanks can still disrupt you if you are not smart. Anyways just go have fun and try it out.
Am I blind or did Anhur just not get his own section😂😭
Hi sorry, I modelled both him and Neith as standard hunters with no additional benefits to their auto attacks, I could have given him some up time on his 1st ability doing 20% Additional damage but I decided against it, if you want to Anhurs builds look at the standard hunter section :) thanks for the comment!
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The only real adc is zeus
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