So strange they would design the board with only single channel RAM when the CPU can do quad...I could somewhat understand cutting it down to dual channel, but not single channel.
I have an Opteron 6386 I snagged from eBay for $50 US and with cheaper registered DIMMS it has been fine for server tasks. It is a power hog when it's busy though. My favorite part of the build is the NH-U12DO A3 cooler I have on it. Probably way overkill, but I found the cooler at Goodwill (chain of thrift stores if you're not from US) and I never new what socket it fit on. When I finally figured out it was a G34 cooler I built this system for fun. I like odd platforms which keeps me coming back to watch Phil. Thank you Phil for your fun and original content!
I definitely think the single channel memory is holding this cpu back. I just acquired a dell 4600 motherboard for the socket 478 platform that actually runs in dual channel memory. Thus far I have found it to be the best socket 478 motherboard I have ever came across in my experience. It is zippy and very responsive using an old 3.0ghz prescott. It put's all my older single channel memory boards to shame. Great video mate I've never done Operton before. The mere fact it has usb 3.0 is a good selling point. But I think single channel memory is killing it.
Memory bandwith has always been a thing. Tested it on different platforms, from a Pentium 3 with SDRAM over a Pentium 4 with DDR1 and a Core 2 with DDR2 to a i5 with DDR3 and all of them noticed something. In fact, on a P4 HT 631 I could give it about 15% better performance just by upping bandwith (going from 200 FSB and DDR2-400 to 250 FSB and DDR2-833) That Opteron should clearly benefit from a nice quad channel setup with 1866 or 2133 RAM
Exactly what I thought when I saw the memory bandwidth. My old Asus P4P 800 SE had a similar bandwidth with DDR 1 RAM and it wasn't too slow running Crysis tbh. using a soft modded ATI 9800 SE to Pro 128 MB GPU with a 3200 MHz S478 P4 Prescott. Tho it was producing tons of heat, these old high clocked P4 CPUs were quite fast and the RAM speed was amazing.
Socket 478 was so interesting. In many regards, I felt it was better than 775 (until dual core). The Asus P4P800/P4C800 are the best of the lot. And with an CT-479 adapter you could use the Pentium-M's, which put everything to shame in the time period.
That would be really cool to see this in a dual socket system. We had servers that ran these CPUs they worked really really good when they have quad channel memory. I was always really surprised about how good the thermals are on these, AMD made a really good heat spreader on those.I really hope you make that video it will be great. Thanks for always making such amazing and fascinating videos.
The architecture really wasn't that bad, it just wasn't that good either. Low IPC but bad power scaling on high clock speeds meant it was bad for basically everything one would do on a desktop. But clock them down to 2-3 GHz and they become impressively efficient.
HappyBeezerStudios - by Lord_Mogul That’s what my boss was telling me, he had them at 2.70 ghz and they worked great. But near the end of their life time he bumped them up to 3.00 ghz I think he said there was only a minimal increase in the average temperatures. We only phased them out when our offices hired a good amount of new staff and they couldn’t keep up with the load. I think we still have them as back up but I can’t wait until we get rid of them so I can pick them up😂
I had two 6386SEs on a SuperMicro H8DG6-F board mining Monero, AION and random other CPU coins. They were actually great at mining back in 2016 and I remember picking them up for only $80 or so each. I also slammed 6 GTX 1080Ti's and 16GB DDR3 memory onto that board and mined GPU coins. Had a 1600W PSU for the cards and a 500W for the CPUs and board. Windows 10 was a bit glitchy running on the onboard Matrox GPU but it was basically headless and was set and forget for almost a year.
Love to see these odd platforms tested, loved the video. I'm sure the single channel memory limited the performance, but relatively low clocked Piledriver cores were never going to run Crysis all that well anyway. Probably better off getting an FX 8350 (or FX 6300) if you want an AMD retro gaming PC.
@@ryanmalin not recommended as the TR4 socket is EOL. Either go AM4 or if you want to go extreme use a TRX4 board. 1920 is hardly a deal conidering the expensive motherboards.
Love your videos, keep up the great work. I could see the Opteron 6386 SE as a small business server running active directory, dns, dhcp and roaming profiles.
Single-channel memory is especially bad for this platform. Opteron 61xx/62xx are MCM - there are two dies, each with 8 cores and 2 memory controllers. In this configuration one of the dies is having to hop to the other to access memory, so memory latency and throughput will be awful. Bulldozer/Piledriver is never going to be amazing but it can definitely perform better than this. Looking forward to seeing a proper quad-channel G34 setup tested someday 😄 You can often find single socket Supermicro boards for a decent price (at least in the UK)
Great video Phil! Very interesting platform, I love those slitly weird things. And wow, the chinese don't skimp on usb ports. I'm glad you're back, you scared me a bit not showing up last week!
Not bad results for an FX based Opteron. Even though it is being hindered by that Single channel RAM and the GPU considering you have a rx 5700 as well as the weak IPC. Yeah I would be interested in an actual 2 dual CPU setup with quad Channel Memory or even a Single CPU setup with Quad Channel memory. Man that CPU is ginormous like the Eypic and Threadripper chips we have today. I bet is a chore applying thermal compound on that G34 chip just like it is on Eypic and Threadripper because you have alot of area to cover. I think for the price of everything depending on what you paid for that chip and if you looked around you could get a 1st Gen Threadripper and board for a decent price.
Even the slowest threadripper would defenitly wipe the floor with the fastest FX chip with ease. Not even 8-channel memory interface and 4 GHz would save these opterons from losing. But i have to admit, these opterons are pretty heavy. I got the opteron 6380 for testing. I just have to wait for the motherboard to arrive. First i didnt want to buy one of these combos but then i changed my mind. Iam a tech-hoarder, so i had to buy it.
You can also get amd clip retention cooler adapters for this socket from (I believe it was supermicro?) that allow you to use normal cpu coolers for around 6 dollars. Also, you can get custom bios mods for these Chinese x89 motherboards that enable dual channel and some FSB overclocking, so you can get to ~3.9ghz to ~4.2ghz. Have a friend who uses it as a daily driver with a cheap 240gb msata ssd.
Love the video, would also be good to have a quick one minute part on server applications such as virtualisation and the like, just to see how it performs today
I used to have two unlocked Interlagos engineering samples, managed to get them to 3,6Ghz stable in all core load, and ran them with all channels/slots populated on both CPUs, and the performance was terrible. It was easily the worst modern platform Iv ever had. I remember it loosing to Core2 in most games back then. Nothing could save that, combine the slow FX Bulldozer cores with 4-way numa (the G34 CPUs are just 2 dies glued together inside, its effectively dual-cpu in one socket), while being bottleneck by the "by that years standard" slow HT it was a recipe for disaster. Cinebench was decent, and video encoding when using software that threaded well was also ok, so I sold it to one guy who needed it as a security camera server, but we can easily see why AMD lost all the server market share with this platform, compare this thing to the LGA2011 Xeons and it gets obvious. imgur.com/SnIitv1 imgur.com/Za3jhU8 Also, Phil, you can circumvent the "inaccessible boot device" error by simply using PCI-E sata controller. You do not even have it to use it permanently, just in case of emergency/when the new board refuses to boot. It must just be installed once and the OS will keep the driver, so, when you change boards you just boot from that controller and it will boot on any board. That was my trick for Win7 with 10+ years without reinstall.
This is so cool (but for different reasons). Before I give my thoughts, I will say this is a nice video (with valuable tests, and thumbs-up and all that) and these weird components are fascinating. I think these CPU chips do not manage to use all 16 cores in such software and you effectively get about 8cores, however there is still usages for it being merely that way. It seems like windows 8 was being run in cinebench. That might mean server2012 can be run with those drivers. Now that would be so cool with both the dual socket and single socket Motherboards. Having a server2012 (what with its handy command line) is great way to maintain windows 7 and windows 8 machines on a small network with AMD (if avoiding intel), and therefore, using a board like this (as such a server) means you do not have to be forced into using some "proper rackmount server" (as those big machines can be a pain, especially when the psu or mboards develop malfunctions). And so you still get to use that "vista style" kernel if you have connected LAN PC retro machines with other drivers such as some old fx nvidia cards and maybe bluetooth dongles and so on (keeping cost down and parts authentic). Then you also get to use the cores for server type processing even though it is only some of the features. It would be cool for using a virtual machine of "windows8-embedded" to the then have remote-fx (via SLAT instruction set) albeit merely virtualised. The nvme could help virtualisation, even though it would still be a modest peformance. Nice to be able to use the registered RAM (and 32gb could be good). Really not bothered about single channel given the instances of usage. Sigh, I anticipate, Phil, that you'd maybe disagree but I reckon you have a good "video series fork" potential here for your own "oddware" series a bit like LGR but instead very different because it is modern parts (so totally your own thing). I'm really slack at watching all the philscomputerlab videos but I totally burn the replay button these ones. Can't stop looking at those boards and server chips. This is so fun. I can already tell plenty people will disagree with me though because gaming results alone seem lacklustre. But then again, it takes all sorts I suppose, and as long as the video is enjoyed, that is an important thing. I don't fancy that CPU price, but man that looks like fun especially for the windows8 and windows10 drivers (at least I think that it what those were onscreen). That motherboard could have dirt cheap pci-e 1x sata HBA put into it and then a 6xHDD btrfs (or zfs) array could be used in linux (while booting of the nvme). I just know I'm gonna get a "no" from this question but I have to ask (just in case) is there any chance a video could be made with linux on these boards? Maybe a blender render benchmark in linux? Or a game? A thing that is so cool about these opteron compared to the intel server chips is that one is unlikely (on either amd or intel board like this) to use the server instruction-sets of intel anyway and so less is "missed out on" (or lost) from using an opteron.
it´s even worse. Look at the Cinebench score. It beats the i7 4770k, but only by 10%. The 4770k, a FOUR core cpu. Ridiculous. By far the worst CPU architecture AMD ever made.
I have a quad 6380 system. Does fine in hitman2 with an RX570 and most games Ofc 128Gb in quad channel (well 2x dual) it does pretty well. And since I have lots of multithreaded workloads it is lot better for my uses than newer systems with less threads/cores. Ok for gaming on a good board, absolutely fantastic for multithreaded tasks like you can see in cinebench (2762 in r15 and 6204 in r20 for my system) or stuff like blender, big compiles etc... Also Linux seems to have an 7-8% performance advantage on windows enterprise...
Amd had the right mindset but poor execution and timing with its Bulldozer/Piledriver architecture. It bet on the multithreading horse too early and ended up creating an architecture that did scale on multiple threads as evidenced these days but terribly suffered on IPC, power consumption on an outdated node. If AMD’s design didn’t sacrifice on IPC and was able to work on a smaller node then, this architecture would’ve been a tad more competitive.
It looks like a fun old system, but that motherboard is really lacklustre! I'm looking forward to the (probably very expensive) full fat experience of the server grade components.
Please test dual six core Opteron based in Phenom II. I think they are more interesting than these Piledriver server chips, except for the instructions.
G'day Phil, Every other Tech Channel "Today we are doing a 'Insert Type' Build" then 'MONTAGE" PhilsComputerLab Starts video pulling all the parts off the TestBench because all the work is done 😁 I love all these Older Tech Performance video, you do a really great job finding Interesting topics & Parts to 'Play With', P.s. On my TestBench I have all the games I like testing on a separate drive to Windows, so that way if Windows gets 'Buggy due to many hardware changes' I can reload the OS on it's drive & just re-link the Folders for Steam, GOG & Epic without the need to download the games again
I have had a strange issue with Windows 10 on older AMD machines before. I have a Gigabyte GA-770T-USB3 (rev. 1.0) Motherboard & an FX 6300 Black Edition in it, the Video Card is an RX 550. What happens is sometimes on Boot it gets Stuck on the DMI Pool Data screen, (Sometimes hitting the Enter Key repeatedly skips this screen) but when it does it fails to Load Windows & gives an error. If I hold the power button to shut it off & reboot it often gets past it the second time. Not sure why it does this, I updated the Bios 3 times with the latest Version it could take just to be sure it wasn't a Bad Bios. I have tried various things in the Bios to get past it too, as far as I can tell I have it configured correctly. But one thing to note is I initially installed Windows 7 & Upgraded to Windows 10 & I noticed that when you look at the Flile Structure on the Hard Drive (or SSD) Windows 10 installed from Scratch has 2 Extra Partitions that does not appear on the Upgraded Windows 7-10 Hard Drive/SSD. I wonder if I installed 10 from scratch it would eliminate the issue. I have not tried that yet but next time I get a new SSD I might try it just to see (I don't want to erase the 10 I have now installed because I have painfully slow Internet & don't want to spend 3-4 days re installing things if I don't have to.
In this case windows was using the wrong disk controller drivers as the g34 sata controller is bespoke to the platform and not using the same drivers as either AM3 or FM2. It is the same generally as moving a windows installation from an AMD machine to an Intel machine. Windows will load the disk controller drivers first and take control of the disk from the bios, when it has the wrong drivers windows wont see a drive and freak out. Usually to move an installation you need to set the disk controller to a generic IDE controller which will force windows to leave control of the disks in the bios until you move the installation, then it will boot into windows where new drivers can be installed.
There is a good workaround for the cooler. Cheap to. On eBay they sell these posts that screw into those two spots. The posts have the clips on them that all AM2, AM3, FM2, AM4 clip style mechanism coolers use. So you could actually use a cooler like a Wraith Prism. Only drawback is the come from China so shipping is slow.
On games like Hitman, which are using just the first few cores, I'd maybe try messing with the affinity to a thread per module, so you get the FPU devoted to a single thread, rather than sharing the FPU between the two cores on the module.
I think these CPUs could be really good for mini home servers as they have lots of multiprocessing. But the Bulldozer cores really hamper gaming performance, especially with the low clock counts.
Not really, you will feel the low IPC everywhere, and the hot Northbridge + high idle power consumption of the whole thing will hold you back. Old 2011 or 1356 Xeon will serve you much better.
It might be interesting to check the impact of single/dual/quad channel memory setup on gaming in this platform. I assume that dual channel could be enough
Remaining installed game are very easy, especially on steam where is couple options: 1. copy game with steam installation directory. 2. when game library is outside steam folder you can point that folder in new steam installation. 3. Steam backup 4. copy same game filres to new steam installation and steam will find files if game dir name is not changed 4b if you move game directory with correstonding acf file even runing installation in steam is not needed.
I have a pair of 6380's still happily crunching away - but even on a "good" G34 platform there are so many drawbacks now that there is no real reason to get into it - maybe other than as a hobby. 6386SE's are still way too expensive for what you get but would make a way better gaming platform than anything else on the socket (mine turbo between base 2.5 and 2.8 at full load because they're rated for 115W)
Just FYI they actually made a QUAD SOCKET for the Opteron 6 series so we're talking 64 cores, Its just a shame those chips are stupidly priced for the performance you get because if they were as cheap as socket 2011 you could build one hell of a render box with that many cores. Personally I'd go for the dual 2011 boards, with aliexpress you can get 12c/24t with the board for just $150 which is just nuts.
I bought one of those China boards, it was buggy as hell regularly freezing, removed the heatsinks off the board chips and found the chips were labeled "OK" in pencil saying obviously the chips were tested salvage. seller wouldn't refund, just glad I bought it through ebay.
I do see there are some combos that make it far cheaper. Hard to know what to buy on aliexpress but some decently priced combos. As for the ebay links eh super expensive. What honestly would be the minimum cpu you would use on this platform?
Single channel on this cpu? yikes... i think it should gain significant performance improvement if you get quad channel on this one. sata2 also - ouch, btw Phil, how loud is the motherboard fan? just out of curiosity ^^
My main rig still rocking an Opteron 6328, Supermicro H8SGL motherboard and RX5600XT GPU. To get the RX5600XT working I initially used the onboard VGA to install RX5600XT GPU drivers then set Windows to only use that as primary video.
well but some benchmarks designed to test multicore processor's will be a good addition , games tend to use 1 core or 2 and in totally unbalanced way , and windows process task distribution is practically a joke designed i guess only to heat more evenly the processor's die .
It shows that it really isn't a desktop platform for games. Modern games would need more per-core-performance. Older games run on it fine, but so would they on a slimmer platform like a recent dual core or even a Q6600.
i firmly belive that the old opteron platforn is dead for a reason for low budged gaming or chinise options the x99 socket 2011v3 platform is the way to go in my opinion
Relatively low clock speed + low IPC + single memory channel = awful performance in general. Plus for a 16 core CPU it will act more like an 8 core CPU when it comes to FPU tasks since in those chips 2 of the "cores" share 1 FPU. Most 3D games use a lot of FPU so performance in games will be impacted negatively. These days just about all of the Bulldozer based CPUs AMD released are IMO not worth spending any money on due to the relatively low performance vs the amount of power they all draw. I'm not saying they're "bad" CPUs, just that there are much better performing options out there for a similar or lower overall cost. Still though I enjoyed the video Phil! Keep up the good work!
Good video as usual although you are a day early, its Thursday still here. It seems that this CPU is even much more powerful than what my desktop has which is an Intel core i7-6800k oc to 4.4 ghz and it has 6 cores with 12 threads
G34 supports 4 memory channels per socket. That's gotta be seriously bottlenecking it having a maximum of two available 😥 Which isn't to say it'd be fast with full memory bandwidth, just a little less slow. edit: Two memory sockets but only one channel in use, ooof, that's baaaad!
Try modding your bios to unlock full turbo and also try making your own cooler, like putting a big copper plate on the bottom of your cooler or, find an all copper heatsink, push the limits you know.
I'm aiming to buy one of these for a home server. It's basically perfect for it being old server parts, and I can get away with somewhat lower performance. That said, I might just grab an old server board for it if I can find a cheap ATX one...Or that dual socket board you mentioned. That sounds tasty for my usage. (Hobby server)
The "Cannot find boot device" error can be caused by switching between AHCI and IDE modes for the SATA ports without telling Windows about it. There are ways to fix it if you Google it and it may not be that exact issue but it's a possibility (that I didn't see anyone else mention) especially considering how the board is using SATA 2, it may be set to IDE mode by default.
In shadow of the tomb raider most of those drops are due to the single channel memory, under the hood of the chip its 2 8 core cpu's with dual channel memory controllers, so in single channel one cpu has to get its information read to it via the other cpu causing the latency issue
Oh hey I have this processor and board honestly I don't expect much from Opterons but if you wanted some low end gaming an rx480 and this will get you some okay frames in certain games My only issues with the board is that memory speeds are stuck at 800mhz even though it said it supports like 1333mhz and the USB 3.0s aren't USB 3.0 I tried to use them with very low spec VR and Windows Mixed Reality couldn't pick them up even though the system met the minimum requirements. Now he must have gotten a better board than I did because his performance is actually far better than mine was because I was struggling to get 60fps in most games I could get close but never quite hit the mark.
lack of dual/quad channel stresses the cpu more and completely removes ability to go above 100-120ish fps mark while also raising lag spiking dramatically the higher fps is, i was sitting for a while with single channel ram so that's how i even know about all this
I'm still confused with the memory. Some say it IS dual channel, with each of the 8 cores using one channel? So yea, not 100% sure LOL I do have a server board and could test by just removing sticks and seeing how it impacts the performance.
@@philscomputerlab hey i just rechecked your video to see since i remember you doing aida test in it, as long as aida shows dual - it is dual, so in your case it is in fact dual on this mobo! :) , only CPU-Z often is being wrong, but aida from what i saw so far is correct always, it reports dual/quad even if you are running in flex mode (what cpu-z often can not do on the new versions)
result of the test is rather on the lowish side though, but i can't make conclusions here just based on that, since every ram stick will perform a bit different and same goes for mobo, cores and ghz do help a decent bit at times though, but maybe something is indeed happening there as peeps are saying, so let's hope that scores will improve in your server board (if you will ever decide to try the cpu with it) (my personal highest on memory read in aida is 96227 with TR1920x @4.124mhz & (flex) quad 3200mhz 16-17-17-30 CR1), all 4 sticks are dual rank(faster)
Watching this on a dual socket 6386 system as it happens. ECC DDR3 RDIMMs are dirt cheap. The CPUs are dirt cheap. SR5690 is glitchy with modern cards. I can't use my fastest GPU in it because it hangs after POST. Dynatron A14 heatsinks are still available. You can't boot from NVMe, so keep that in mind.
you should make a discord server so all your fans can interact with each other and you. sharing their experiences and adventures. i could help you if you need so
I'm gonna get a dual socket supermicro board with 64GB of RAM and a pair of 6220s (less cores, but clocked higher. $23 for the pair.) to run VMs, a storage box, and LAN servers for Minecraft and Terraria.
It's definitely a little hindered by the single channel memory. Maybe 6-10 more fps in games with dual channel or quad channel ram. There's only so much you can do for the piledriver platform. Memory bandwidth was the main issue the platforms had. But even with the perfect setup, it was still a bit lackluster. I can imagine it's probably god awful at about anything besides gaming as is with the setup on that board. Crazy looking back 8 years and now AMD is selling a 16-core desktop cpu for half the asking price of this server grade hardware, and putting it to shame in terms of power and expandability.
Single channel memory is a real bummer.
@Kleiner Helfer quad
These G34 Opterons really like their memory channels. Anything less that three will seriously bottleneck the cores.
100% outside of a reasonable use case. That board isn't even close to being adequate for that CPU.
Indeed.
I wonder when will we see the first Threadripper gens on a chinese motherboards.
When the motherboards start failing in 5 to 10 years.
I see a threadripper 1900x on a Spanish shop for only 172 € www.coolmod.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1900x-40-ghz-socket-tr4-boxed-procesador-precio
We certainly will
@ in germany the 1900x is 135€
@@robinkonig5828 Remember that CPU is a baby TR... The 1900x is a 1800x basically (as it is 4C/8T per Zepplin Die)
So strange they would design the board with only single channel RAM when the CPU can do quad...I could somewhat understand cutting it down to dual channel, but not single channel.
They may not have been able to copy the validated and certified official mainboards....remember these are copies of high performance mainboards
I have an Opteron 6386 I snagged from eBay for $50 US and with cheaper registered DIMMS it has been fine for server tasks. It is a power hog when it's busy though. My favorite part of the build is the NH-U12DO A3 cooler I have on it. Probably way overkill, but I found the cooler at Goodwill (chain of thrift stores if you're not from US) and I never new what socket it fit on. When I finally figured out it was a G34 cooler I built this system for fun. I like odd platforms which keeps me coming back to watch Phil. Thank you Phil for your fun and original content!
Jeff Grant link pls bcs I find them around 140 dollars
I definitely think the single channel memory is holding this cpu back. I just acquired a dell 4600 motherboard for the socket 478 platform that actually runs in dual channel memory. Thus far I have found it to be the best socket 478 motherboard I have ever came across in my experience. It is zippy and very responsive using an old 3.0ghz prescott. It put's all my older single channel memory boards to shame.
Great video mate I've never done Operton before. The mere fact it has usb 3.0 is a good selling point. But I think single channel memory is killing it.
A nice roller coaster between "Neat!" and "Are you kidding me?!?" that motherboard hehehe
Memory bandwith has always been a thing. Tested it on different platforms, from a Pentium 3 with SDRAM over a Pentium 4 with DDR1 and a Core 2 with DDR2 to a i5 with DDR3 and all of them noticed something.
In fact, on a P4 HT 631 I could give it about 15% better performance just by upping bandwith (going from 200 FSB and DDR2-400 to 250 FSB and DDR2-833)
That Opteron should clearly benefit from a nice quad channel setup with 1866 or 2133 RAM
Exactly what I thought when I saw the memory bandwidth.
My old Asus P4P 800 SE had a similar bandwidth with DDR 1 RAM and it wasn't too slow running Crysis tbh. using a soft modded ATI 9800 SE to Pro 128 MB GPU with a 3200 MHz S478 P4 Prescott.
Tho it was producing tons of heat, these old high clocked P4 CPUs were quite fast and the RAM speed was amazing.
Socket 478 was so interesting. In many regards, I felt it was better than 775 (until dual core). The Asus P4P800/P4C800 are the best of the lot. And with an CT-479 adapter you could use the Pentium-M's, which put everything to shame in the time period.
@@Andy-ls2kb Well said couldn't agree more. I love socket 478 I am still collecting and using to this day.
"Welcome to this Friday video" I had to double check in case it was I who was out of sync with time
@Mr Guru you crazy! That would mean different places are different times and something something that requires a round earth etc
Hmm I'm not sure what happened here. I must have scheduled it for one day earlier :(
No one gonna notice how both windows task manager and cinebench both saying this is a 8 core 16 thread processor? 7:19
Fun fact! You know how two cores is called Dual Core and four cores is called Quad Core?
16 Core CPUs are called Hexadeca Core CPUs.
r/woosh
If you're science student you know all deca, hexa etc Lol
@@kirandeepmaan6304 20 cores: Icosacore
@@smashandburnyt6938 what's the woosh here
@@mruczyslaw50 I initially didn't get it
That would be really cool to see this in a dual socket system. We had servers that ran these CPUs they worked really really good when they have quad channel memory. I was always really surprised about how good the thermals are on these, AMD made a really good heat spreader on those.I really hope you make that video it will be great. Thanks for always making such amazing and fascinating videos.
The architecture really wasn't that bad, it just wasn't that good either. Low IPC but bad power scaling on high clock speeds meant it was bad for basically everything one would do on a desktop.
But clock them down to 2-3 GHz and they become impressively efficient.
HappyBeezerStudios - by Lord_Mogul That’s what my boss was telling me, he had them at 2.70 ghz and they worked great. But near the end of their life time he bumped them up to 3.00 ghz I think he said there was only a minimal increase in the average temperatures. We only phased them out when our offices hired a good amount of new staff and they couldn’t keep up with the load. I think we still have them as back up but I can’t wait until we get rid of them so I can pick them up😂
I had two 6386SEs on a SuperMicro H8DG6-F board mining Monero, AION and random other CPU coins. They were actually great at mining back in 2016 and I remember picking them up for only $80 or so each. I also slammed 6 GTX 1080Ti's and 16GB DDR3 memory onto that board and mined GPU coins. Had a 1600W PSU for the cards and a 500W for the CPUs and board. Windows 10 was a bit glitchy running on the onboard Matrox GPU but it was basically headless and was set and forget for almost a year.
Did someone used chocolate as a thermal paste.....😂😂
@Martin M :D i use some random wish.com thermal paste and it didn't blew up my pc so i have trust in that thermal paste
@@hansjurgen5912 toothpaste isnt the worst. Peanutbutter is way worse 😊
I use nutella as paste and cheese as thermal pads
It’s copper paste, smh amateurs here.
Just lick it off the cpu.
Thanks for reviewing these! Always tempted to go for cores but we're not there yet! Just got my son a 3300x so went 4C8T high speed for emulators!
Love to see these odd platforms tested, loved the video. I'm sure the single channel memory limited the performance, but relatively low clocked Piledriver cores were never going to run Crysis all that well anyway. Probably better off getting an FX 8350 (or FX 6300) if you want an AMD retro gaming PC.
Single Channel?? OOF
Nice vídeo.
how about a video about the threadripper 1900x
price dropped really hard in just 3 years
mainboards still expensive tho
my next PC is a threadripper 1920X
Ryan Malin outdated af
@@ryanmalin not recommended as the TR4 socket is EOL. Either go AM4 or if you want to go extreme use a TRX4 board.
1920 is hardly a deal conidering the expensive motherboards.
It's like the 1366 and 2011 platforms, cheap CPUs but good mobos cost twice as the cpu.
Just found out that my 4 Core Ryzen 1200 @3,9Ghz has a higher Cinebench R15 Score than this chip, the ryzen only costs me 30 $
I love these server processor gaming benchmark videos 😃
Love your videos, keep up the great work. I could see the Opteron 6386 SE as a small business server running active directory, dns, dhcp and roaming profiles.
Single-channel memory is especially bad for this platform. Opteron 61xx/62xx are MCM - there are two dies, each with 8 cores and 2 memory controllers. In this configuration one of the dies is having to hop to the other to access memory, so memory latency and throughput will be awful.
Bulldozer/Piledriver is never going to be amazing but it can definitely perform better than this.
Looking forward to seeing a proper quad-channel G34 setup tested someday 😄 You can often find single socket Supermicro boards for a decent price (at least in the UK)
Great video Phil! Very interesting platform, I love those slitly weird things. And wow, the chinese don't skimp on usb ports. I'm glad you're back, you scared me a bit not showing up last week!
I do a video every second week now, life has just been too hectic and been difficult...
@@philscomputerlab good to know, that makes sense, I haven't been able to do one every week either 🤦🏼♂️💾
Not bad results for an FX based Opteron. Even though it is being hindered by that Single channel RAM and the GPU considering you have a rx 5700 as well as the weak IPC. Yeah I would be interested in an actual 2 dual CPU setup with quad Channel Memory or even a Single CPU setup with Quad Channel memory. Man that CPU is ginormous like the Eypic and Threadripper chips we have today. I bet is a chore applying thermal compound on that G34 chip just like it is on Eypic and Threadripper because you have alot of area to cover. I think for the price of everything depending on what you paid for that chip and if you looked around you could get a 1st Gen Threadripper and board for a decent price.
Even the slowest threadripper would defenitly wipe the floor with the fastest FX chip with ease. Not even 8-channel memory interface and 4 GHz would save these opterons from losing. But i have to admit, these opterons are pretty heavy. I got the opteron 6380 for testing. I just have to wait for the motherboard to arrive. First i didnt want to buy one of these combos but then i changed my mind. Iam a tech-hoarder, so i had to buy it.
Phil: new Friday video Me: but it's only Thursday night
Yea not sure what happened but I scheduled a day earlier...
@@philscomputerlabmaybe Technical problems 😂
Single channel memory is a deal breaker, that's just bad work.
"But PC works!"- The Verge
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You can also get amd clip retention cooler adapters for this socket from (I believe it was supermicro?) that allow you to use normal cpu coolers for around 6 dollars.
Also, you can get custom bios mods for these Chinese x89 motherboards that enable dual channel and some FSB overclocking, so you can get to ~3.9ghz to ~4.2ghz. Have a friend who uses it as a daily driver with a cheap 240gb msata ssd.
Amazing how a 140W CPU can be adequately cooled with such a crappy heatsink.
It's because the surface of silicon is large, therefore the heat produced per square centimetre is low
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Amazing platform review!
Thanks for sharing!
Love the video, would also be good to have a quick one minute part on server applications such as virtualisation and the like, just to see how it performs today
I used to have two unlocked Interlagos engineering samples, managed to get them to 3,6Ghz stable in all core load, and ran them with all channels/slots populated on both CPUs, and the performance was terrible. It was easily the worst modern platform Iv ever had. I remember it loosing to Core2 in most games back then. Nothing could save that, combine the slow FX Bulldozer cores with 4-way numa (the G34 CPUs are just 2 dies glued together inside, its effectively dual-cpu in one socket), while being bottleneck by the "by that years standard" slow HT it was a recipe for disaster. Cinebench was decent, and video encoding when using software that threaded well was also ok, so I sold it to one guy who needed it as a security camera server, but we can easily see why AMD lost all the server market share with this platform, compare this thing to the LGA2011 Xeons and it gets obvious.
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Also, Phil, you can circumvent the "inaccessible boot device" error by simply using PCI-E sata controller. You do not even have it to use it permanently, just in case of emergency/when the new board refuses to boot. It must just be installed once and the OS will keep the driver, so, when you change boards you just boot from that controller and it will boot on any board. That was my trick for Win7 with 10+ years without reinstall.
combine all of that with single channel ram, and is alot more terrible
Thank you a lot Phil.
I asked you to test this CPU for a long time, sorry for the inconvenience.
Thank you so much.
Awesome video Phil. Love your content mate 😊
loving your new Thursday video content Phil!!!
Yea not sure what happened but I scheduled a day earlier...
Great vid Phil !!! I think you should consider Rainbow Six Siege for your benchmarks It's quite CPU Intensive.
Would love to see this test redone with a more adequate motherboard. Regardless, still very fun to see this old monster in use!
This is so cool (but for different reasons). Before I give my thoughts, I will say this is a nice video (with valuable tests, and thumbs-up and all that) and these weird components are fascinating.
I think these CPU chips do not manage to use all 16 cores in such software and you effectively get about 8cores, however there is still usages for it being merely that way. It seems like windows 8 was being run in cinebench. That might mean server2012 can be run with those drivers. Now that would be so cool with both the dual socket and single socket Motherboards. Having a server2012 (what with its handy command line) is great way to maintain windows 7 and windows 8 machines on a small network with AMD (if avoiding intel), and therefore, using a board like this (as such a server) means you do not have to be forced into using some "proper rackmount server" (as those big machines can be a pain, especially when the psu or mboards develop malfunctions). And so you still get to use that "vista style" kernel if you have connected LAN PC retro machines with other drivers such as some old fx nvidia cards and maybe bluetooth dongles and so on (keeping cost down and parts authentic). Then you also get to use the cores for server type processing even though it is only some of the features. It would be cool for using a virtual machine of "windows8-embedded" to the then have remote-fx (via SLAT instruction set) albeit merely virtualised. The nvme could help virtualisation, even though it would still be a modest peformance. Nice to be able to use the registered RAM (and 32gb could be good). Really not bothered about single channel given the instances of usage.
Sigh, I anticipate, Phil, that you'd maybe disagree but I reckon you have a good "video series fork" potential here for your own "oddware" series a bit like LGR but instead very different because it is modern parts (so totally your own thing). I'm really slack at watching all the philscomputerlab videos but I totally burn the replay button these ones. Can't stop looking at those boards and server chips.
This is so fun. I can already tell plenty people will disagree with me though because gaming results alone seem lacklustre. But then again, it takes all sorts I suppose, and as long as the video is enjoyed, that is an important thing.
I don't fancy that CPU price, but man that looks like fun especially for the windows8 and windows10 drivers (at least I think that it what those were onscreen). That motherboard could have dirt cheap pci-e 1x sata HBA put into it and then a 6xHDD btrfs (or zfs) array could be used in linux (while booting of the nvme).
I just know I'm gonna get a "no" from this question but I have to ask (just in case) is there any chance a video could be made with linux on these boards? Maybe a blender render benchmark in linux? Or a game?
A thing that is so cool about these opteron compared to the intel server chips is that one is unlikely (on either amd or intel board like this) to use the server instruction-sets of intel anyway and so less is "missed out on" (or lost) from using an opteron.
These bulldozer cores are so terrible it could barely beat a 12 core server chip based off the Phenom II
I could barely beat a 8 core server setup build on Core 2! About double what mine did.
it´s even worse. Look at the Cinebench score.
It beats the i7 4770k, but only by 10%. The 4770k, a FOUR core cpu. Ridiculous.
By far the worst CPU architecture AMD ever made.
@@asysjr It's not that bad considering that it's running on single channel. Also it's actually not 16 core but only 8 core and 16 thread.
I have that exact same gpu! Nice video as always Phil. Cool to see a person take a look at these cpus in 2020.
I have a quad 6380 system. Does fine in hitman2 with an RX570 and most games Ofc 128Gb in quad channel (well 2x dual) it does pretty well. And since I have lots of multithreaded workloads it is lot better for my uses than newer systems with less threads/cores. Ok for gaming on a good board, absolutely fantastic for multithreaded tasks like you can see in cinebench (2762 in r15 and 6204 in r20 for my system) or stuff like blender, big compiles etc... Also Linux seems to have an 7-8% performance advantage on windows enterprise...
You sure are having a field day with this platform arent you? I didnt think you would make so many videos about it XD
Amd had the right mindset but poor execution and timing with its Bulldozer/Piledriver architecture. It bet on the multithreading horse too early and ended up creating an architecture that did scale on multiple threads as evidenced these days but terribly suffered on IPC, power consumption on an outdated node.
If AMD’s design didn’t sacrifice on IPC and was able to work on a smaller node then, this architecture would’ve been a tad more competitive.
...32GB... lots of RAM... 😜
Great video btw 👍😉
So as always, this is an 8-core with SMT?
It looks like a fun old system, but that motherboard is really lacklustre! I'm looking forward to the (probably very expensive) full fat experience of the server grade components.
Dirt 3 still looks good for a 2011 game
ye and runs great on my potato Radeon 5570 1GB card
And it doesn't demand anything crazy
Played this on q8400 with gt 1030 and it ran fine
The EGO Engine from Codemasters. Pure wizardry.
Please test dual six core Opteron based in Phenom II. I think they are more interesting than these Piledriver server chips, except for the instructions.
Love your videos keep up the good work.
Nice video, i have 3 of them running in my system :P
G'day Phil,
Every other Tech Channel "Today we are doing a 'Insert Type' Build" then 'MONTAGE"
PhilsComputerLab Starts video pulling all the parts off the TestBench because all the work is done 😁
I love all these Older Tech Performance video, you do a really great job finding Interesting topics & Parts to 'Play With',
P.s. On my TestBench I have all the games I like testing on a separate drive to Windows, so that way if Windows gets 'Buggy due to many hardware changes' I can reload the OS on it's drive & just re-link the Folders for Steam, GOG & Epic without the need to download the games again
Haha yes it's logistically heaps easier to film the disassembly and use that as B-Roll :)
Good tip with the separate game drive!
I have had a strange issue with Windows 10 on older AMD machines before. I have a Gigabyte GA-770T-USB3 (rev. 1.0) Motherboard & an FX 6300 Black Edition in it, the Video Card is an RX 550. What happens is sometimes on Boot it gets Stuck on the DMI Pool Data screen, (Sometimes hitting the Enter Key repeatedly skips this screen) but when it does it fails to Load Windows & gives an error. If I hold the power button to shut it off & reboot it often gets past it the second time. Not sure why it does this, I updated the Bios 3 times with the latest Version it could take just to be sure it wasn't a Bad Bios. I have tried various things in the Bios to get past it too, as far as I can tell I have it configured correctly. But one thing to note is I initially installed Windows 7 & Upgraded to Windows 10 & I noticed that when you look at the Flile Structure on the Hard Drive (or SSD) Windows 10 installed from Scratch has 2 Extra Partitions that does not appear on the Upgraded Windows 7-10 Hard Drive/SSD. I wonder if I installed 10 from scratch it would eliminate the issue. I have not tried that yet but next time I get a new SSD I might try it just to see (I don't want to erase the 10 I have now installed because I have painfully slow Internet & don't want to spend 3-4 days re installing things if I don't have to.
In this case windows was using the wrong disk controller drivers as the g34 sata controller is bespoke to the platform and not using the same drivers as either AM3 or FM2. It is the same generally as moving a windows installation from an AMD machine to an Intel machine. Windows will load the disk controller drivers first and take control of the disk from the bios, when it has the wrong drivers windows wont see a drive and freak out. Usually to move an installation you need to set the disk controller to a generic IDE controller which will force windows to leave control of the disks in the bios until you move the installation, then it will boot into windows where new drivers can be installed.
There is a good workaround for the cooler. Cheap to. On eBay they sell these posts that screw into those two spots. The posts have the clips on them that all AM2, AM3, FM2, AM4 clip style mechanism coolers use. So you could actually use a cooler like a Wraith Prism. Only drawback is the come from China so shipping is slow.
Shipping from China is super slow at the moment!
its too bad that we're seeing 1/2 of the power, theoretically, of this CPU. I bet it has a lot left in it. Thanks for the video, very entertaining.
On games like Hitman, which are using just the first few cores, I'd maybe try messing with the affinity to a thread per module, so you get the FPU devoted to a single thread, rather than sharing the FPU between the two cores on the module.
Can you test these old CPUs, on a next video, with DXVK to check if wrapping Vulkan on DX9, DX10 and DX11 can make better use of those cores?
Cool, good content as always. I enjoy the strange & rare computer parts
I think these CPUs could be really good for mini home servers as they have lots of multiprocessing. But the Bulldozer cores really hamper gaming performance, especially with the low clock counts.
Couldn't those cores be overclocked?
Not really, you will feel the low IPC everywhere, and the hot Northbridge + high idle power consumption of the whole thing will hold you back. Old 2011 or 1356 Xeon will serve you much better.
At this point zen is a much better option. Even if just for the powersavings. Especislly for a server
Early post? Normally these go up Friday morning in US. but its Thursday?
Great video Phil thanks!
Yea not sure what happened but I scheduled a day earlier...
AMD likes big processors.
yes, big processors with shitty performances.
It might be interesting to check the impact of single/dual/quad channel memory setup on gaming in this platform. I assume that dual channel could be enough
Mmmmaybe. The chips are 4 channel, and the architecture really likes bandwidth.
Remaining installed game are very easy, especially on steam where is couple options: 1. copy game with steam installation directory. 2. when game library is outside steam folder you can point that folder in new steam installation. 3. Steam backup 4. copy same game filres to new steam installation and steam will find files if game dir name is not changed 4b if you move game directory with correstonding acf file even runing installation in steam is not needed.
Yea it works well with Steam, however I have other games from GOG, XBox, Ubisoft, Origin and Epic also...
I have a pair of 6380's still happily crunching away - but even on a "good" G34 platform there are so many drawbacks now that there is no real reason to get into it - maybe other than as a hobby.
6386SE's are still way too expensive for what you get but would make a way better gaming platform than anything else on the socket (mine turbo between base 2.5 and 2.8 at full load because they're rated for 115W)
Just FYI they actually made a QUAD SOCKET for the Opteron 6 series so we're talking 64 cores, Its just a shame those chips are stupidly priced for the performance you get because if they were as cheap as socket 2011 you could build one hell of a render box with that many cores. Personally I'd go for the dual 2011 boards, with aliexpress you can get 12c/24t with the board for just $150 which is just nuts.
4 CPU sockets! Me want!!!
Other Tech Channels: AMD launches Ryzen XT "refresh" (boring 🥱)
Phil: What can we do with this 8 year old 16 core CPU (👍)
It is using 2 memory controllers, but it is 1 from each processor die. So it will show as single. A system using all 4 channels will show up as dual.
I bought one of those China boards, it was buggy as hell regularly freezing, removed the heatsinks off the board chips and found the chips were labeled "OK" in pencil saying obviously the chips were tested salvage. seller wouldn't refund, just glad I bought it through ebay.
I do see there are some combos that make it far cheaper. Hard to know what to buy on aliexpress but some decently priced combos. As for the ebay links eh super expensive. What honestly would be the minimum cpu you would use on this platform?
Single channel on this cpu? yikes... i think it should gain significant performance improvement if you get quad channel on this one. sata2 also - ouch, btw Phil, how loud is the motherboard fan? just out of curiosity ^^
For instance i cannot hear spinning fan on my crosshair hero 8 and it usually runs at 3300 RPM...
Actually, I didn't really notice the chipset cooling fan!
16 cores, and 8 floating point units ?
Where is the X99 Phill?
It's in the mail :)
@@philscomputerlab Sad :/
My main rig still rocking an Opteron 6328, Supermicro H8SGL motherboard and RX5600XT GPU. To get the RX5600XT working I initially used the onboard VGA to install RX5600XT GPU drivers then set Windows to only use that as primary video.
well but some benchmarks designed to test multicore processor's will be a good addition , games tend to use 1 core or 2 and in totally unbalanced way , and windows process task distribution is practically a joke designed i guess only to heat more evenly the processor's die .
This test clearly showed that at least 12 cores can be utilized in games.
It shows that it really isn't a desktop platform for games.
Modern games would need more per-core-performance. Older games run on it fine, but so would they on a slimmer platform like a recent dual core or even a Q6600.
I was always curious about the FX based Opterons.
8 Module/16 core chips, lower clocked than the FX desktop models, with under 100 W TDP!
Good on ya Phil
i firmly belive that the old opteron platforn is dead for a reason for low budged gaming or chinise options the x99 socket 2011v3 platform is the way to go in my opinion
Apparently a fix for the Xbox issue is to re-sync your Windows clock. I’ve not had it myself but others have found this fixed it for them.
i wish u upload videos more frequently
It's just not possible at the moment...
Just for the heck of it, I wish there was a dual socket G34 board from these Chinese brands, similar to the X79 options currently.
You can get an ASUS KGPE-D16 on ebay for $150 or so, better than this chinese stuff
Relatively low clock speed + low IPC + single memory channel = awful performance in general. Plus for a 16 core CPU it will act more like an 8 core CPU when it comes to FPU tasks since in those chips 2 of the "cores" share 1 FPU. Most 3D games use a lot of FPU so performance in games will be impacted negatively.
These days just about all of the Bulldozer based CPUs AMD released are IMO not worth spending any money on due to the relatively low performance vs the amount of power they all draw. I'm not saying they're "bad" CPUs, just that there are much better performing options out there for a similar or lower overall cost.
Still though I enjoyed the video Phil! Keep up the good work!
Actually it's only 8 core with HT. Look at cinebench at 7:16 and task manager at 6:46
dirt 3 was intended to run on a phenom
Omg just as I'm going out to the supermarket it's Phil day
Hold on its Thursday.. 🤔🤔
Omg Phil made a time travel device!
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Yea not sure what happened but I scheduled a day earlier...
@@philscomputerlab 🤣
Good video as usual although you are a day early, its Thursday still here. It seems that this CPU is even much more powerful than what my desktop has which is an Intel core i7-6800k oc to 4.4 ghz and it has 6 cores with 12 threads
Yea not sure what happened but I scheduled a day earlier...
G34 supports 4 memory channels per socket. That's gotta be seriously bottlenecking it having a maximum of two available 😥
Which isn't to say it'd be fast with full memory bandwidth, just a little less slow.
edit: Two memory sockets but only one channel in use, ooof, that's baaaad!
Try modding your bios to unlock full turbo and also try making your own cooler, like putting a big copper plate on the bottom of your cooler or, find an all copper heatsink, push the limits you know.
I'm aiming to buy one of these for a home server. It's basically perfect for it being old server parts, and I can get away with somewhat lower performance.
That said, I might just grab an old server board for it if I can find a cheap ATX one...Or that dual socket board you mentioned. That sounds tasty for my usage. (Hobby server)
Dual channel and a tweaked bios to allow another 500MHz OC... (assuming this server grade CPU is unlocked)
What's up Phil?
The boot up BSOD was most likely the SATA controller not set correctly, should have tried to change it (ACHI / compatibility mode).
I tried this of course...
The "Cannot find boot device" error can be caused by switching between AHCI and IDE modes for the SATA ports without telling Windows about it. There are ways to fix it if you Google it and it may not be that exact issue but it's a possibility (that I didn't see anyone else mention) especially considering how the board is using SATA 2, it may be set to IDE mode by default.
supermicro board, ocng5.3 bios, good cooling-overclock it!
In shadow of the tomb raider most of those drops are due to the single channel memory, under the hood of the chip its 2 8 core cpu's with dual channel memory controllers, so in single channel one cpu has to get its information read to it via the other cpu causing the latency issue
Oh hey I have this processor and board honestly I don't expect much from Opterons but if you wanted some low end gaming an rx480 and this will get you some okay frames in certain games
My only issues with the board is that memory speeds are stuck at 800mhz even though it said it supports like 1333mhz and the USB 3.0s aren't USB 3.0 I tried to use them with very low spec VR and Windows Mixed Reality couldn't pick them up even though the system met the minimum requirements.
Now he must have gotten a better board than I did because his performance is actually far better than mine was because I was struggling to get 60fps in most games I could get close but never quite hit the mark.
The hard to find cooler kills the deal, then the single channel put the nail in the coffin.
lack of dual/quad channel stresses the cpu more and completely removes ability to go above 100-120ish fps mark while also raising lag spiking dramatically the higher fps is, i was sitting for a while with single channel ram so that's how i even know about all this
I'm still confused with the memory. Some say it IS dual channel, with each of the 8 cores using one channel? So yea, not 100% sure LOL I do have a server board and could test by just removing sticks and seeing how it impacts the performance.
@@philscomputerlab hey i just rechecked your video to see since i remember you doing aida test in it, as long as aida shows dual - it is dual, so in your case it is in fact dual on this mobo! :) , only CPU-Z often is being wrong, but aida from what i saw so far is correct always, it reports dual/quad even if you are running in flex mode (what cpu-z often can not do on the new versions)
result of the test is rather on the lowish side though, but i can't make conclusions here just based on that, since every ram stick will perform a bit different and same goes for mobo, cores and ghz do help a decent bit at times though, but maybe something is indeed happening there as peeps are saying, so let's hope that scores will improve in your server board (if you will ever decide to try the cpu with it) (my personal highest on memory read in aida is 96227 with TR1920x @4.124mhz & (flex) quad 3200mhz 16-17-17-30 CR1), all 4 sticks are dual rank(faster)
Watching this on a dual socket 6386 system as it happens. ECC DDR3 RDIMMs are dirt cheap. The CPUs are dirt cheap. SR5690 is glitchy with modern cards. I can't use my fastest GPU in it because it hangs after POST. Dynatron A14 heatsinks are still available. You can't boot from NVMe, so keep that in mind.
Friday video?
Looks at the calendar - yep, Thursday 18th ...
Phil, are you OK down under matey?
Yea not sure what happened but I scheduled a day earlier...
Strangely CB is reporting it as 8c/16t.
That thermal paste looks nasty
Haha yes it does :)
Doom: I'm hard to beat
Wolfenstein: Hold my extreme difficulty
you should make a discord server so all your fans can interact with each other and you. sharing their experiences and adventures. i could help you if you need so
sad thing about these is that they aren't worth the electricity to keep them going.
I'm gonna get a dual socket supermicro board with 64GB of RAM and a pair of 6220s (less cores, but clocked higher. $23 for the pair.) to run VMs, a storage box, and LAN servers for Minecraft and Terraria.
It's definitely a little hindered by the single channel memory. Maybe 6-10 more fps in games with dual channel or quad channel ram. There's only so much you can do for the piledriver platform. Memory bandwidth was the main issue the platforms had. But even with the perfect setup, it was still a bit lackluster. I can imagine it's probably god awful at about anything besides gaming as is with the setup on that board.
Crazy looking back 8 years and now AMD is selling a 16-core desktop cpu for half the asking price of this server grade hardware, and putting it to shame in terms of power and expandability.