The writing in DS9 was impeccable. The mere fact that a simple baseball could have such meaning, and that it made sense that Dukat would understand it says a lot about how well both characters were written.
If Sisko had rigged a huge explosive to the baseball he would have taken out half of the main villains. He knew Dukat would touch it as soon as he saw it.
To Dukat, I tend to think he viewed it as a trophy. Sisko was of course the most personal enemy he had within the federation, (maybe frenemy in his twisted mind) he knew what Sisko meant by leaving it, but he kept it in defiance. Kind of an “I’d like to see you try” mentality. Kira yes she holds onto it in the full idea that she will give it back to Sisko one day.
@@JasonL77 nah. Janeway would not of left something as important as coffee, even if just the pot. Maybe the holoprogram for Janeway Lambda One, The Governess.
This is one of my favorite DS9 scenes... Sisko deeply valued that baseball and Dukat knew it. Leaving it behind was a bold reminder to Dukat that his victory that day was a hollow one.
@@randomcurrypuff6237 the real question there is if there was a season 8 would they have made that play? If yes then would the writers bring him back or would he be a reoccurring visitor to the station while Kira ran the place? The Actor would be willing to return but the writers can be good at making that decision for the Actor.
@@striker8961 I doubt it, but I always expected a DS9 movie where he returns. I'd have expected it to be titled "Star Trek: Emissary." I know that title was already taken by the pilot episode but it would have worked.
Right. It also shows Rom's low key maturity & compassion. At the same time it also shows a moment of Jake maturing & critically thinking for himself (& his vocation), underscored by Sisko's red remark that Jake "IS a man".
I didn't particularly mind the fire caves, I thought they wrote it pretty well considering the situation. The reason they made Dukat go completely evil in "Waltz" was because a lot of people were trying to justify Dukat's role in the occupation and such. I admit, I wish his complicated character would have led to that point more gradually though, how would you prefer it had ended?
@Boba Fett Dukat was always a bad guy though. He was basically space Hitler leading the Occupation of Bajor, sending Bajorans into work camps. He held Nerys' mother as a sex slave until she got Stockholm Syndrome and thought the relationship was consensual. He may have tried to make life less bad for the Bajorans, as he says, but he still had no problem with seeing them as disposable. He led a regime of labor camps and ethnic cleansing as Prefect of Bajor. Now, we see him in many different lights-happy, angry, compassionate, sad, because the writers allowed us to see those sides. So we forget just how horrendous the Occupation was, and what a key role he played in it. Contrast that to Garak, whose role in the Obsidian Order is the equivalent of him being a high-ranking S.S. officer. We are shown time and time again his regret, his love of Cardassia but not the government, and his inner turmoil as he struggles to comprehend the intersection of his patriotism and acknowledgement of and disgust for his actions during the Occupation. We see Garak in the same ways as Dukat, but unlike Dukat, Garak shows remorse. Dukat just says "I wanted to help the Bajorans, I made it better" instead of "What I did was wrong". Garak seems to understand that more. I agree the whole Pah-Wraiths thing and the Fire Caves was a dumb ending to a great character. but he could not be redeemed. He was always a bad guy, but forced it down and kept it inside. After Ziyal's death, he lost his sanity and the weight of his actions all came back to the surface, crashing down on him. But, if you're interested, I'd've had Vedek Winn start the path down the Pah-Wraiths instead of Dukat. Sisko could trap Vedek Winn in the Fire Caves and save Bajor, and fulfill his role as Emissary. Dukat can still dress up as a Bajoran trying to infiltrate circles and spy for the Dominion. He is caught and killed by Kira Reon, Kira Nerys' brother who was left on Bajor when Dukat's men came for the pleasure women. Of course, he isn't just killed and caught simply just like that, there would be a season-long arc of this guy chasing Dukat around snuck into the episodes. I don't think Sisko's transformation into a god is stupid though. Remember, DS9 is the story of Passover from the Bible. The Jews (Bajorans) are slaves to the Egyptians (Cardassians) led by Ramses II (Dukat). God (The Prophets) choose Moses (Sisko) to lead the Jews out of slavery to the Promised Land (a free and better Bajor). Moses is at first reluctant to take on this role and hates it, but eventually grows to accept his role. Eventually Dukat says "Yeah, I'll let your people go. Just kidding" and sends the Dominion (Pharaoh's chariots) after him. He leads the Defiant (his staff) into the Red Sea, and splits it, allowing himself safe passage through back to Bajor, but the Red Sea collapses around the Dominion, and the army is destroyed and of course, they retake the station. In the end, Moses is not allowed to live in the Promised Land, but he ushers in a new era of peace and prosperity for the Israelites and ascends to God. (No "Heaven" in Judaism).
Dukat was the most dangerous kind of villain, he was smart as a whip, cold as ice and truly remorseless. Yet, he could be charming and charismatic. He could order the deaths of countless people and not give it a second thought.
The more I watch these excerpts from DS9, the more I miss the series. Dukat was one of my favourite characters. Never could decide if you like him or not.
I remember ds9 being on TV, but maybe saw one or two episodes. I’ve never been much of Star Trek fan. Somehow, these clips started showing up in my recommended videos, and I started watching them. I’m about to binge watch the entire series. I think the ferengies really make the show.
Dukat is truly one of the best antagonists in the history of series television. So complex and layered. Marc Alaimo and the writers did a great job of bringing that character to life.
@@christopherwall2121 You do not understand. what I meant was that Weyoun would replace them IF THAT WAS WHAT ODO WANTED. That was what I meant. All Odo needs to do is to ask Weyoun and they would be replaced.
@@videomaster412 Yes, but Odo is completely against the Founders' philosophy, so he wouldn't risk giving them power over his security forces, even if they were more effective as a result.
Actually, if I remember correctly, Dukat is holding it when Sisko and his squad find him, and Dukat (currently a broken shell of a man) offers it back to Sisko while saying he forgives him. That gives some real depth to Dukat's character - not only did he not immediately destroy Sisko's "message" (the baseball) as soon as he had conquered DS9, he even kept it safe and gave it back in a show of some level of respect for his adversary.
Apart from Vole Fighting, there is very little mentioned about Cardassian sports, I wonder what is the equivalent sport on Cardassia. I know they have Art competitions like the on Ziyal won or the project the Gul's daughter who was torturing Picard took part in!
Dukat ended up getting millions of Cardassians killed because of his quest for glory and to stroke his own ego. Of course the Dominion saw them as nothing more than cannon fodder to throw at their enemies. Them using Cardassians as shields to preserve their own forces leads to Damar leading his rebellion which leads to the Dominion committing genocide of the Cardassians. If Dukat had stood with the Alpha Quadrant alliance from the start and opposed the Dominion the Cardassians wouldn't have ended up being an endangered species.
Weyoun: I don't understand. Dukat: He's letting me know...he'll be back. (My headcanon for the conversation afterwards) Weyoun: ...There's nothing inscribed on this to indicate such a message. Dukat: (chuckles) Nothing needed to be inscribed. The value in this object is not strategic...but sentimental. You see, Weyoun...this object is called a baseball. It is used in a human sport of the same name, and it is a sport that Captain Sisko is most fond of. And...this particular baseball, for some reason, is special to him. By leaving it behind, he's expressing his full intention to return and reclaim this station...reclaim this baseball. Weyoun: Sentimental value? Such a puzzling concept... Dukat: I agree. But...I find it most amusing, as well.
Has anyone else noticed Combs' (Weyoun) voice seems more highly pitched, in this clip. At first, I thought the playback speed had been slightly increased, but the others' voices seem normal.
Considering most Jem'hadar have never seen a Founder that must have been a weird experience for them as they are also a bit more doubtful then the Vorta. They go in after a blazing victory and meet one of their gods....only for him to be grumpy, not pay them any attention at all, deny his divine status and be on the enemies side.
Many would like to discuss the repercussions of forcing things. Certainly the San Andreas Fault is on the table. It’s coming. And people wonder what the value of discussing it is if they do believe in law of attraction
You have no idea how I *SCREAMED* when this aired and I saw Sisko's baseball there 😂 I was like "FUCK YEEAAAHHH!!!!" cuz even without explanation it was clear what it meant. A badass human message. But at the series finale when he took the baseball with him... I knew it was over and cried so hard that my mom had to console me 😭😭😭 (I was a teenager when DS9 ended)
I always thought the dominion was out of character when the federation returned they just....gave the station back to them without disabling the station like sisko did. Or even more like the dominion, blowing it up. They just...left waving by as they passed the defiant. For certain there would have been plenty of jemhadar willing to strap a suicide vest on and jump into the central core.
@@Locutus Exactly. When the minefield was being deployed, Sisko knew they couldn't hold the station. When the minefield was being deactivated, the Dominion had no reason to believe they would lose it.
I love all throughout the series a running ex machina is that the Bajorins are so important that these massive federations and dominions are doing everything they can to keep them happy at great cost to themselves. The Dominion literally would have walked in and executed every single person on ds9 and decimated an extremely primitive world like Bajor until it was subjugated properly. The Dominion would have made the Cardassian occupation look like the Federation.
I think in the case of the Dominion it happened that Odo liked the Bajorins and so Weyoun wouldn't let anything that extreme take place. The fact they left Jake alive and all of that is probably all thanks to his reverence to Odo as a God.
@@locstyle Not immediately. It was in the scene where he was losing his mind and telling his now-dead daughter he forgives her. He hands the baseball to Sisko and says "I forgive you too." Many have said that should have been Dukat's departure from the series, but he would not have left the series as a villain then, but rather as a tragic figure. Frankly, I like him better as an arch-villain, the antithesis of anything good.
The idea was that the real Gul dukat died when they retook the station...his daughter was killed and he lost his mind... the thing he becomes is not who he once was but what he became when he had nothing to live for...becoming the pai wraiths acolyte was his way of destroying everything he no longer cared about.
Weyoun was a terrible tactician. DS9 was a hard point that they needed intact and operational, without it they couldn't hope to hold the wormhole or Bajor while they disabled the minefield. Ignoring the station and focusing on the mines is a terrible idea.
When Bill Clinton was elected to his first term, Rush Limbaugh arranged for a note to be left in the Lincoln Bedroom: "I was here first, and I'll be back."
They're both has-beens living in disgrace. The Clinton's tied to more double-tap "suicides" than the mafia, and Bill Clinton involved in more sex scandals than a particularly lecherous porn star. Neither a role model. Neither to be applauded.
Sisko: "Damn, I forgot my baseball."
“… wait. I’m forgetting something else… what was that thing I had that rhymes with rake. It’ll come back to me…”
He goes back for the baseball, but he leaves Jake behind.
@@MillywiggZIT’S A JAAAAAAAAKE
The writing in DS9 was impeccable. The mere fact that a simple baseball could have such meaning, and that it made sense that Dukat would understand it says a lot about how well both characters were written.
And how it would make sense to regular viewers too due to that ball's tenure on Sisko's desk and his well established love of baseball.
If Sisko had rigged a huge explosive to the baseball he would have taken out half of the main villains. He knew Dukat would touch it as soon as he saw it.
That's sooooo not his style, nor would Starfleet approve, but it's hilarious to think about 😂
I feel like that would be Garaks plan, Sisko probably said no.
@@MediumRareOpinions so Garak did it anyway. Because he can do things that Sisko can not...
@@tilasole3252 and all it cost was a starfleet captains self respect.
@@jenshep1720 he says that as if it is a bad thing. Sisko glares at him, but truly it should of been a shrug moment due to what was at stake.
Dukat kept that baseball with him the entire time, and always seemed to use it. Not many seem to of paid attention to this.
I noticed. It was a nice touch.
It seems to have become tradition for the station commander. Kira still had the ball in Lower Decks.
@@SoranoGuardiasit will, one day, return to sisko, she’s just holding it for him, as did dukat
To Dukat, I tend to think he viewed it as a trophy. Sisko was of course the most personal enemy he had within the federation, (maybe frenemy in his twisted mind) he knew what Sisko meant by leaving it, but he kept it in defiance. Kind of an “I’d like to see you try” mentality.
Kira yes she holds onto it in the full idea that she will give it back to Sisko one day.
You could tell by the look on Dukat's face that he didn't doubt Sisko for a second.
They were both enemies and reluctant allies for many years and Dukat knew Sisko to perfection. That is how he was able to "read Sisko's message".
"Now if you excuse me, I'll be in my office." Dukat's highest moment & Dumar was just as happy.
Picard would have left his book of Shakespeare so Dukat could read it
I didn't know dukat could read Klingon?
@@unc0mm0n2 I've always enjoyed Shakespeare in the original Klingon.
Unless Worf ate it first, it is after all a good book
And Janeway would have left a coffee pot.
@@JasonL77 nah. Janeway would not of left something as important as coffee, even if just the pot. Maybe the holoprogram for Janeway Lambda One, The Governess.
This is one of my favorite DS9 scenes... Sisko deeply valued that baseball and Dukat knew it. Leaving it behind was a bold reminder to Dukat that his victory that day was a hollow one.
Weyoun's reverence of Odo is so endearing
Aye!
It's adorable 😄
Yes, absolutely!! This was one of the first things I liked about his character! 💕🎥
It is cute isn't it!
The way he says "GOD" is so fantastic. There's such awe in it.
That moment with the baseball has to be one of the best in the series
I love that he left the baseball on his desk again in the series finale. He’ll be back. Don’t know when, don’t know where, but he’ll be back.
don't know if that applies as he left everything... including the wife and kids.
@@nickm9102 if there was season 8 he would have returned
@@randomcurrypuff6237 the real question there is if there was a season 8 would they have made that play? If yes then would the writers bring him back or would he be a reoccurring visitor to the station while Kira ran the place?
The Actor would be willing to return but the writers can be good at making that decision for the Actor.
@@randomcurrypuff6237 was there supposed to be a season 8?
@@striker8961 I doubt it, but I always expected a DS9 movie where he returns. I'd have expected it to be titled "Star Trek: Emissary." I know that title was already taken by the pilot episode but it would have worked.
Jake and Rom's interaction is cute .Wish we got more of these unexpected character connections .
It is so like dealing with one of my son's friends. Yes I am concerned but no I cannot tell him what to do like my son.
Right. It also shows Rom's low key maturity & compassion. At the same time it also shows a moment of Jake maturing & critically thinking for himself (& his vocation), underscored by Sisko's red remark that Jake "IS a man".
Dukat's knowledge of human baseball and the meaning of certain human emotions is astounding for an alien race.
It's his knowledge of Sisko specifically. Baseball is important to Sisko, so Dukat would be a fool not to know that about his adversary.
@@DarkGob one or the other should of had a grenade manufactured into a baseball and it goes off after a few tosses into the air.
I don't think he knows anything about baseball, he just knows that ball is important to Sisko.
The relationship between Sisko and Dukat was brilliant before the Fire Cave shit.
I love the fire-cave bullshit! XD
@@welshguy9220 Oh I hated that too!
I thought it was good until Waltz... I hated that episode.
I didn't particularly mind the fire caves, I thought they wrote it pretty well considering the situation. The reason they made Dukat go completely evil in "Waltz" was because a lot of people were trying to justify Dukat's role in the occupation and such. I admit, I wish his complicated character would have led to that point more gradually though, how would you prefer it had ended?
@Boba Fett Dukat was always a bad guy though. He was basically space Hitler leading the Occupation of Bajor, sending Bajorans into work camps. He held Nerys' mother as a sex slave until she got Stockholm Syndrome and thought the relationship was consensual. He may have tried to make life less bad for the Bajorans, as he says, but he still had no problem with seeing them as disposable. He led a regime of labor camps and ethnic cleansing as Prefect of Bajor. Now, we see him in many different lights-happy, angry, compassionate, sad, because the writers allowed us to see those sides. So we forget just how horrendous the Occupation was, and what a key role he played in it.
Contrast that to Garak, whose role in the Obsidian Order is the equivalent of him being a high-ranking S.S. officer. We are shown time and time again his regret, his love of Cardassia but not the government, and his inner turmoil as he struggles to comprehend the intersection of his patriotism and acknowledgement of and disgust for his actions during the Occupation. We see Garak in the same ways as Dukat, but unlike Dukat, Garak shows remorse. Dukat just says "I wanted to help the Bajorans, I made it better" instead of "What I did was wrong". Garak seems to understand that more. I agree the whole Pah-Wraiths thing and the Fire Caves was a dumb ending to a great character. but he could not be redeemed. He was always a bad guy, but forced it down and kept it inside. After Ziyal's death, he lost his sanity and the weight of his actions all came back to the surface, crashing down on him.
But, if you're interested, I'd've had Vedek Winn start the path down the Pah-Wraiths instead of Dukat. Sisko could trap Vedek Winn in the Fire Caves and save Bajor, and fulfill his role as Emissary. Dukat can still dress up as a Bajoran trying to infiltrate circles and spy for the Dominion. He is caught and killed by Kira Reon, Kira Nerys' brother who was left on Bajor when Dukat's men came for the pleasure women. Of course, he isn't just killed and caught simply just like that, there would be a season-long arc of this guy chasing Dukat around snuck into the episodes.
I don't think Sisko's transformation into a god is stupid though. Remember, DS9 is the story of Passover from the Bible. The Jews (Bajorans) are slaves to the Egyptians (Cardassians) led by Ramses II (Dukat). God (The Prophets) choose Moses (Sisko) to lead the Jews out of slavery to the Promised Land (a free and better Bajor). Moses is at first reluctant to take on this role and hates it, but eventually grows to accept his role. Eventually Dukat says "Yeah, I'll let your people go. Just kidding" and sends the Dominion (Pharaoh's chariots) after him. He leads the Defiant (his staff) into the Red Sea, and splits it, allowing himself safe passage through back to Bajor, but the Red Sea collapses around the Dominion, and the army is destroyed and of course, they retake the station. In the end, Moses is not allowed to live in the Promised Land, but he ushers in a new era of peace and prosperity for the Israelites and ascends to God. (No "Heaven" in Judaism).
Dukat was someone you really had to respect because he's definitely a dangerous enemy. He is both conning and ruthless.
And also had his weaknesses. He was egotistical, self-absorbed, and could be played based on that.
Conning indeed
Swarm509 his main weakness was his daughter while she was alive he lived for her approval and when she died he lost his mind.
Dukat was the most dangerous kind of villain, he was smart as a whip, cold as ice and truly remorseless. Yet, he could be charming and charismatic.
He could order the deaths of countless people and not give it a second thought.
@@Elthenar well he would. remeber he hired Odo to find the real terrorist rahter then execute innocent bajorians
The more I watch these excerpts from DS9, the more I miss the series. Dukat was one of my favourite characters. Never could decide if you like him or not.
I remember ds9 being on TV, but maybe saw one or two episodes. I’ve never been much of Star Trek fan. Somehow, these clips started showing up in my recommended videos, and I started watching them. I’m about to binge watch the entire series. I think the ferengies really make the show.
@@xnetpc hope you’re enjoying the show so far.
I agree 1000% UNTIL the later end of his character arc
Dukat is truly one of the best antagonists in the history of series television. So complex and layered. Marc Alaimo and the writers did a great job of bringing that character to life.
He's a space nazi. I never liked him. At least Garak demonstrated genuine remorse for some of his crimes.
"I agree. You, me, the major, together again ... It should be most interesting. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be in my bunk."
Sounds like Jayne from Firefly.
Odo could have helped swing the war. Had he used his influence it would have made a huge difference. But he’s a very proud puddle.
Dustin Newman I read that as "poodle" first..
He can be either! He's a flexible guy.
@@thesandwich5321 Odo puts earth cats to shame :)
Outside of Weyoun, not many listen to Odo. The Jem'Hadar and other Vorta consider him a traitor. Or some sort of "Fallen God".
@@zxKAOS1 earth cats are shapeshifters. i wouldnt be surprised if they turn out to liquify into puddles when no one is looking
Sisko should have at least left a whoopee cushion on the seat. That could have been the start of Dukat's descent into madness.
That would have been amazing.
I love how seeing the baseball just stops Dukat short. Not cold.. but you could see the swagger just drain right out of him.
It is good to know the Promenade Merchant Association is taking an active role on station affairs.
It gave legitimacy to the civilian presence and makes diplomacy more important to the dominion. Kept the cardassians from going overboard, maybe.
@@garygarrow2718 It certainly was worth the try.
@@thiagodeandrade7081 rule of acquisition number 33, it never hurts to suck up to the boss.
@@garygarrow2718 Good point.
Awww, you missed when we see the defiant and the rotarrin join the fleet
All the space battles and other things will be on the DS9 Starbase 375 playlist
You mean when they screwed up and put too many ships there so they had to write them out later?
@@mikejohnson3387 yeah but this scene doesn't work as well without it.
(slams padd on desk) WHAT THE HELL WAS JAKE THINKING.
2:52 was the moment Benjamin Sisko became my favorite Star Trek Captain. Period. Full stop.
Quark shall watch out now. ONE word from Odo, and Weyoun will replace his Bajoran security forces with Jem-hadars
He wouldn't dare. Odo may be on the other side, but Weyoun would nevertheless rather jump into a warp core than antagonize a Founder.
@@christopherwall2121 You do not understand. what I meant was that Weyoun would replace them IF THAT WAS WHAT ODO WANTED. That was what I meant. All Odo needs to do is to ask Weyoun and they would be replaced.
@@videomaster412 Yes, but Odo is completely against the Founders' philosophy, so he wouldn't risk giving them power over his security forces, even if they were more effective as a result.
Funny thing, the ball said “I’ll be back.”
The really weird thing? Dukat was not so petty as to take the baseball or even destroy it when the station traded hands again.
Imagine if Sisko had swapped the baseball with a replicated boobytrap.
No Pah-wraiths.
And when Sisko came back, Ducat left the baseball in place. It was a great piece of writing.
Actually, if I remember correctly, Dukat is holding it when Sisko and his squad find him, and Dukat (currently a broken shell of a man) offers it back to Sisko while saying he forgives him. That gives some real depth to Dukat's character - not only did he not immediately destroy Sisko's "message" (the baseball) as soon as he had conquered DS9, he even kept it safe and gave it back in a show of some level of respect for his adversary.
@@ProfessorChasG Hmm I need to re-watch it.
If only Captain Sisko had left a whoopee cushion on his chair...
Thanks for leaving out the money shot at the end...
The message of this scene is Don't mess the Sisko...
2:10 I liked seeing the Jem Hadar soldiers clearing rooms like any troops would when taking over an enemy station
Why would you do this clip without the massive fleet buildup at the end. THat was such an amzing ending!
Man, these characters were so good, especially Dukat.
What kind of monster cuts the scene there??? Damn!!!
Sisko wasn't too happy with his son's decision. He was like "What the hell is Jake thinking?"
Oh Benjamin would have choked Jake if he could ....
"What was jake thinking, sisko asked calmly"
And he is the terminatior
Apart from Vole Fighting, there is very little mentioned about Cardassian sports, I wonder what is the equivalent sport on Cardassia. I know they have Art competitions like the on Ziyal won or the project the Gul's daughter who was torturing Picard took part in!
The music was so good.
Gul Ducart was a fan of Sisko, big time :)
"What is that?"
"It's bounding mine..."
*KPOP!*
end credits...
still a better love story (between sisko and dukat) then twilight
Sisko: I'll be back
I love how Quark was apart of the Terok Nor welcoming delegation lol
Should have added the last 10 seconds of the episode.
2:45 Weyoun helping himself some good ol loot??
Dukat ended up getting millions of Cardassians killed because of his quest for glory and to stroke his own ego. Of course the Dominion saw them as nothing more than cannon fodder to throw at their enemies. Them using Cardassians as shields to preserve their own forces leads to Damar leading his rebellion which leads to the Dominion committing genocide of the Cardassians. If Dukat had stood with the Alpha Quadrant alliance from the start and opposed the Dominion the Cardassians wouldn't have ended up being an endangered species.
Now I can't help but imagine Sisko as the Terminator.
Weyoun: I don't understand.
Dukat: He's letting me know...he'll be back.
(My headcanon for the conversation afterwards)
Weyoun: ...There's nothing inscribed on this to indicate such a message.
Dukat: (chuckles) Nothing needed to be inscribed. The value in this object is not strategic...but sentimental. You see, Weyoun...this object is called a baseball. It is used in a human sport of the same name, and it is a sport that Captain Sisko is most fond of. And...this particular baseball, for some reason, is special to him. By leaving it behind, he's expressing his full intention to return and reclaim this station...reclaim this baseball.
Weyoun: Sentimental value? Such a puzzling concept...
Dukat: I agree. But...I find it most amusing, as well.
Has anyone else noticed Combs' (Weyoun) voice seems more highly pitched, in this clip. At first, I thought the playback speed had been slightly increased, but the others' voices seem normal.
Considering most Jem'hadar have never seen a Founder that must have been a weird experience for them as they are also a bit more doubtful then the Vorta.
They go in after a blazing victory and meet one of their gods....only for him to be grumpy, not pay them any attention at all, deny his divine status and be on the enemies side.
Many would like to discuss the repercussions of forcing things. Certainly the San Andreas Fault is on the table. It’s coming. And people wonder what the value of discussing it is if they do believe in law of attraction
It’s more than a message. It’s cooperative game
Atheists are finally catching up because Alignment is a high vibrational word. They are doing fine without asking favors of the angel.
Sisko is so metal
You couldn't have included the last 30 seconds?
You have no idea how I *SCREAMED* when this aired and I saw Sisko's baseball there 😂 I was like "FUCK YEEAAAHHH!!!!" cuz even without explanation it was clear what it meant. A badass human message.
But at the series finale when he took the baseball with him... I knew it was over and cried so hard that my mom had to console me 😭😭😭 (I was a teenager when DS9 ended)
I know how it's like where the only place that wasn't crazy for me was a crazy alternate universe in a tv series.
The Dominion killed whole families of Cardassian rebels.
The fact Jake was never a casualty is nothing short of a miracle by the Prophets.
I always thought the dominion was out of character when the federation returned they just....gave the station back to them without disabling the station like sisko did. Or even more like the dominion, blowing it up. They just...left waving by as they passed the defiant. For certain there would have been plenty of jemhadar willing to strap a suicide vest on and jump into the central core.
They didn't have time to disable the station.
@@Locutus Exactly. When the minefield was being deployed, Sisko knew they couldn't hold the station. When the minefield was being deactivated, the Dominion had no reason to believe they would lose it.
I love all throughout the series a running ex machina is that the Bajorins are so important that these massive federations and dominions are doing everything they can to keep them happy at great cost to themselves.
The Dominion literally would have walked in and executed every single person on ds9 and decimated an extremely primitive world like Bajor until it was subjugated properly.
The Dominion would have made the Cardassian occupation look like the Federation.
I think in the case of the Dominion it happened that Odo liked the Bajorins and so Weyoun wouldn't let anything that extreme take place. The fact they left Jake alive and all of that is probably all thanks to his reverence to Odo as a God.
Is there any reference maybe in one of the books as to what happen to the baseball?
When Sisko returned Dukat gave the ball back to him.
@@locstyle Not immediately. It was in the scene where he was losing his mind and telling his now-dead daughter he forgives her. He hands the baseball to Sisko and says "I forgive you too."
Many have said that should have been Dukat's departure from the series, but he would not have left the series as a villain then, but rather as a tragic figure. Frankly, I like him better as an arch-villain, the antithesis of anything good.
Nah. That would have been a far better and more fitting exit for Dukat. The man of the grey.
The idea was that the real Gul dukat died when they retook the station...his daughter was killed and he lost his mind...
the thing he becomes is not who he once was but what he became when he had nothing to live for...becoming the pai wraiths acolyte was his way of destroying everything he no longer cared about.
cool!
I can’t risk alienating the new friends the Germans around town. I’m not quite certain really what that means
Gul Dukat's voice in German in far better for the character.
The bats do you have the ability to name cities real time don’t they? They don’t because of the repercussions but in colloquial
I think they should change the name of Delmar if they have surrendered it
This clip should have included the shot of Siskos face and the alliance fleet at the end. Sorry, disappointed
Back to play baseball lol
Thata a one bias. it wasn't an occupation. It was originally a Cardassian station. The Dominion was only there to hell and maintain peace
Why you would be a great app and make
They reinvented Star Trek, can't they do the same with DS9, with different people?
No.
They could explore the federation worlds more, though. Bajor was interesting.
can we not with the constantly reinventing good movies and tv shows. Come up with something original
Weyoun was a terrible tactician. DS9 was a hard point that they needed intact and operational, without it they couldn't hope to hold the wormhole or Bajor while they disabled the minefield. Ignoring the station and focusing on the mines is a terrible idea.
At the time he didn't realize that they weren't ordinary mines, as far as he knew the minefield would been easy to disable.
It annoyed me back then and it still annoys me that Jake stayed on the station. 😑🤦🏻♀
True but like Jake said they ain't going to do nothing plus Jake is a reporter.
When Bill Clinton was elected to his first term, Rush Limbaugh arranged for a note to be left in the Lincoln Bedroom: "I was here first, and I'll be back."
And now Rush is a has-been living in disgrace.
They're both has-beens living in disgrace. The Clinton's tied to more double-tap "suicides" than the mafia, and Bill Clinton involved in more sex scandals than a particularly lecherous porn star.
Neither a role model. Neither to be applauded.
@@OpenMawProductions See, the prob there is Rush is PROVEN to be an asshole. The stuff about the Clintons is GOP propaganda.
@@healsallwounds good news, hes dead
Jake- the worst character in DS9