Just met David Hayter last week at Fan Expo. He came out a little late and adressed the line with a “Kept you waiting huh” it was well worth it (Got MGS2, and EGM Oct 2001 issue signed)
It can be easy to fall down into the pits of despair when talking heads on flickering boxes start getting to you. But just as Raiden steps out into the sun and gets a boost from Snake, we can remember how important the human connection is. We can find our Snakes, or be him to others in need. Just as you can't build a house upon sand, it's strengthening communities and helping each other that will build a future, starting with the foundation. There is no top-down approach to fixing things, there's no vote. There's only what we do for each other. Uhhhh I mean... great video! I love Metal Gear Solid 2 :D
Little known fact about swimming with Emma, if you have Raiden take pentazemin she can hold her breath longer. This is because he told her to listen to his heartbeat, which is slowed by the drug.
Wow scary how much detail they made in this game, even crazier when you add the fact the game is dulled down because the ps2 couldn't handle what Kojima actually wanted
This game came out in the perfect time of my development as a human. Completely changed the way I look at media and how media can have a message and deeper meaning than just entertainment if done correctly. One of the best games ever.
I've watched hundreds of MGS2 essays/retrospectives and I have to say, this is among the best commentary and observation wise. It just hits and articulates things so well that show a genuine understanding, BONUS points for not showing your face every 2 minutes and injecting try hard memes while keeping a semi dry but still attention holding narrative. This is how you do it.
My beautiful wife, who was 31, passed away suddenly on the 23rd of this month..and the ending minutes of this video really spoke to me..about the memories we have being real And shit like that.. Miss u babe, love u a whole lot
This is one my favorite retrospectives now 👍 All sorts of emotions. I went from "enjoying the video" to "questioning my entire life" to "being happy and hopeful for a better future" while watching this one. just like the video game you were talking about, this TH-cam video is passionate piece of art
This game was the first time I remember having my expectations subverted so heavily. Its aged like a fine wine and is still my favorite Metal Gear game by far.
Same! First time I felt the power of storytelling in video games as a medium, actively trying to be artistic & make bold statements aesthetically & thematically.
Yeah, I do an annual replaying of all the MGS games, and I always play this one at least twice in a row, because I love it so much! This and MGS3 are my faves, BY FAR!
3 and 1 are my favorites. I mean I kinda like them all equally. But I was 8 when it came out. I had chicken pox that year. So I had a week off of school. And I also had an appendectomy that same year. So I was off some more. I beat the game twice a day for the week of the pox. And no telling how much I played it recovering from surgery. So it’s one of those games where I loved it so much at the time. But I’ve played it so damn much that it lost its luster. Especially compared to 3.
To be fair, it's later revealed that Ocelot just went crazy and Liquid's personality isn't actually in him. Liquid Ocelot's personality was actually nothing more than the manmade product of Revolver Ocelot's own drug use and autosuggestion.
@@ShawnFerrell Just the idea that you can graft a strangers arm onto you successfully enough to remain as fully capable as pre-amputation is science fiction enough. It takes extremely precise matches, measured cuts, controlled environments and careful planning of the entire process to come close enough genetically to get the body to accept a foreign part, even from a family member, and tons of immunosuppressants to get the body to not outright reject it. Just slapping some guys arm on you- one unquestionably carrying FOXDIE at that, and having full use of it is crazy.
I’m a new father and I’ve spent most of the time after my daughter was born feeling anxiety about the world she’s going to grow up in. I really appreciated hearing your thoughts at the end section there, it’s given me some perspective and made me feel a bit more in control, I guess. Thanks, - Dad
This game really blew my mind, way back in the day. Also was the first Metal Gear game I could beat. After that, I was absolutely hooked on the franchise.
Looking back, everyone should have been able to tell from the very start it wasnt the Colonel. He arranged at the end of MGS1 for Snake to escape with Meryl and be counted among the dead. He would have known snake was still alive, but the AI just knew the death report.
my favorite part about putting this video on before i fall asleep is that i can skip to any moment in it and still find out something new. you really know how to jam pack content into a video LOL
Whenever people end the conversation about this game at “it predicted modern Internet culture and how everything sucks,” it feels so incomplete, and I’m really happy with how you articulated the flip side to that idea that Snake presented. These games don’t always end with a perfect happy ending, but no matter what happens, there’s always a pervading sense of hope by the end of it all. It’s a big part of what makes them so beautiful!
fucking awesome work man i loved this i appreciate your approach to retrospective videos. not just repeating info from the game but having some of yourself shine through in the video as well great stuff
This was my first start into Metal Gear Solid, and is what started my love for it, I was and still am obsessed with MGS, and this has and always will be my favorite in the series, I legit yelled YOOOOOO out loud at 3am when I saw you were doing this series, and was excited for MGS2, this video sits deep in my heart, i was a poor kid and lived in hotels most my life and my only friend at that time was video games, so MGS2 was my best friend during those depressing times, love the video and can't wait for for more!
Very solid analysis (no pun intended). One little detail I think you glossed over was how for the first time in the series the game provided a way of beating the entire game non-lethally. Every time you deal with an enemy in a lethal manner it's always a player decision, conscious or not. MGS3 makes it more obvious by confronting the player with their choices during the boss battle with the Sorrow, but the idea started here.
I think the reason Raiden is no longer looked at as negatively is less that people actually came around to understand the game and his story/purpose (which of course people did, due to great works like yours!), but also that he got a cool sword and went from "I don't know what to believe in" to "I will cut your memes in half, mister cyborg". Probably easier to grasp than having to actually follow the codec calls for most people.
Literally was a kid playing this and was playing for 4 hrs straight . Then out of the blue it told me to turn the console off at 3am . Did not know what to do with myself after that, but I still kept playing.
As a very casual listener/watcher of your videos (I’ve seen a few, these new MGS videos and some of your silent hill videos), your Metal Gear videos are great (but not to discount anything else you’ve done - your other videos are great too). Your analysis, depth, and maybe even more importantly, your presentation, is perfect. Much appreciation for what you do. Great job. I look forward to more.
@@YourFavoriteSon1 i know it was in london when he was showing off death stranding and i got a picture shook his hand and everything, it was one of the highlights of my life to meet a hero of mine in the gaming world
I played this game at 11 and I still remember the prediction of the future it offers. I’ve kept it in mind all these years as I’ve watched the world’s events unfold.
Just to point at a little detail that it seems like you didn't see, there's one extra thing to really put an emphasis on the fact that Raiden is under the influence of whoever talks to him: his codec's volume indicator is shaped like a gun pointed towards his head, unlike Snake's during the tanker part of the game.
I talk too long about MGS2 Neat. 2 Hours 30mins? Aight, this must be part 1. Can't wait for part 2. Jests, aside. Always love the content and thank you for the hard work and time you put into the videos brother.
I like that You mentioned Deus Ex. I played these two games almost parallel. I started Deus Ex, but MGS 2. came and I just wanted to try it...and it stayed while Deus Ex was put aside. Anyway I was excited about the Patriots/Illuminati idea and found it interesting that two really good games were about conspiration theories. And I am shocked right now watching this video, how precise were the game's predictions about AI and its relationship to mankind, about free will...about our little ponds... There is a quite good documentary (Netflix, I think) about the internet algorithms which rhymes greatly to the idea above, the ponds, the bubbles that the AI creates for us for our convenience. These things give me chills. Great work, Sir! Thank You!
28:20 Based Kojima man, I wish more triple A games had this philosophy! I don't care if my horse's balls shrink in the cold, give me better enemy AI and more variety!
I appreciate you calling out GW’s tactic - how it set the “scene” to make us view fear as rational and hope as futile. All these years later you made me see that I fell for it!.
If Kojima wanted me to touch grass more, he should’ve made games with shorter cutscenes. 😅 Wonderful video, son, amazing coverage as always! One of my all-time favorite games. 🔥
This. This is what I've been waiting for. This game specifically is my upbringing. I was 11 when this game came out. It's the defining game for me that made me realize that games are more than just something for fun. It's a medium for storytelling. It's the game that made me switch from N64 to PS2 instead of getting a GameCube.
@YourFavoriteSon1 On a side note, I truly appreciate the interaction you do with your community. I know sometimes it can be taxing and even difficult/daunting trying to find different and endearing words for each comment...but know that it really does mean a lot when you do reach out.
Hey son. I want to thank you before I watch this. I played MGS2 as a boy. As a boy, it was an amusing stealth/action sandbox. But as I grew, I knew there was more to the story that I was too young to understand fully. But as a man grown, I haven't had the time to commit to replaying and ruminating. Yes, I know I can finish it in the run time of this video, but I can't put the depth of thought into it that it deserves. Son, thanks for this. I'm now going to reexamine a part of my childhood easier and quicker than I could have otherwise.
Naively optimistic... 2 hours 30 minutes and 51 seconds it took me to listen to you, while finding your take on this timeless game refreshing, and informative. Well presented, written and researched. Subscribed finally to you, though this is perhaps the 7th Retrospective I have listened to of yours. Can I ask... Your Favourite Son? Are you close to your dad? Or has he passed? I know this is personal so sorry, you do not have to answer.
Snake is hands down my favorite video game character and one of my all time favorite character in all of fiction I was 8 when this game came out and it never bothered me switching to Raiden. Maybe I was too young, but I thought it was cool having snake on your support team and having play along side you
I just finished up MGS2 again in the collection after not playing it for decades and 2 things: 1) Rose is insufferable. She's the type of girl where you'd voluntarily put your life in extreme danger just to get away from her whining, nagging, and mood swings. 2) Raiden sucks. It's alluded to but not adequately given a fair shake. Bait and switch is always a bad thing. You need to look no further than Hollywood "subverting expectations" every chance they get and fans walking away. People look more fondly on Raiden now with the benefit of his appearance in later games where he becomes much cooler and well received. I feel like you can't take what he becomes in the future and then mix and match backwards with the original. Take him as he was released with only the information available at the time. If you were to give a brand new player the series, they play MGS1 and move to MGS2. They have no idea what MGS4 is like at all, so that holds no bearing to their experiences in MGS2. Despite that, MGS2 is still a great game because you can tell the love and passion the creators had for making a great game and telling an expanded story in their universe.
Also yes, on initial release, I didn't think Pliskin was actually Solid Snake. Once I started thinking he was, I was waiting for my chance for the game to swap back to playing him. By the time I got the sword, I knew that hope was long since gone.
2:12:30 About the mental or social progress thing... From my perspective I think it can go both ways simultaneously, because of the Internet we have marginalized and minority groups of people able to share and validate each other's life experience. What is like being a black or Hispanic person living in Japan, what is it like being Japanese living in America what's it like being a homosexual in a country that vilifies homosexuality and glorifies heterosexuality, whats it like being color blind in a world of full of color? Now I could go on with this but I think you see the point here, because the Internet not being "filtered" we have the opportunity to learn from,support, and grow as individuals in a society that brainwashes us into keeping the status quo for those who benefit from the careful manipulation of social progression, societal ideas, ways of thinking, and the collective perception of our reality.
I'll never forget November 13th 2001 and I put that Metal Gear Solid Sons of Liberty disc in my PS2 tray that I still have and was completely blown away as soon as I seen Snake smoking a cig in the pouring rain on the George Washington mind blowing visuals for its day..... Can't even describe how geeked I was for this game, an absolute classic video game and will always be one of my favorite games , pure gold... I recently bought the MGS collection for my Switch because I travel for work and I just started playing Sons of Liberty again and the nostalgia and makes that 4 hour flight go quickly ... And 2 days later on November 15th 2001 I bought The Xbox and Halo and was blown away again and was excited for the future of gaming
1:59:00 This game is one of the greatest ever, this shit is deep I only played mgs 1 and 5. I really didn't know what I missed, this series is awesome. I never knew raiden was so deep and at the end kinda very relatable to a lot of people.
I literally love your retrospectives! You do a great job. That said, I have one small critique for this vid: You got a couple details wrong in this video about a couple military related things. Semper Fi is not a Navy SEAL saying. It is a Marine Corps saying. 1:04:51 And you also referred to Scott Dolph as a Sergeant. 42:15 for this one. He is a Commandant. Thank you so much for all your work that you do on these incredible videos ❤ I'm really loving this series in particular. But I've watched most of your retrospectives at this point and I really love them :3
Fun story on my most recent playthrough of MGS2, which was this year after not playing for 3 years and it being over a decade since beating it, I fought the final boss on the day that it happens to be in the game. When he said the date I almost lost my poop. 57:57
This is my favorite Metal Gear Solid plot. I adore MGS2 and everything it was trying to say. Even when i was like 12 playing it for the first time and not quite "getting it". I still loved the surface level stuff. Then I played it again while in college and it just blew my mind with the messages. This game is a masterpiece. When it comes to gameplay of the first 4 solid games. Its 3. (V is technically my favorite because of how much action it is but thats not Tactical Espionage Action fo me)
The death of Ema is incredible. It's so powerful. The parrot. It's crazy. The affair is a bit of bad taste but i remember, even as an edgy teenager, i felt so touched by that scene. Then the friendship between snake and Otacon. With the music. Man that's so good. Then after this point the game becomes so crazy lol
I played Metal Gear on NES when I was a kid so I didn’t get into it back then, but when MGS came out I was old enough to really get into the game and I’ve been a fan since.
I played the MGS series for the first time a few years ago, I played all 5 back to back immediately one after the other. I remember a very polarizing opinion of MGS 2, some saying it's the worst game ever made, some saying it's their personal favorite in the franchise. I gotta say, this is genuinely one of the greatest games I've ever played in my life.
One of my favorite parts of the MGS series is the anti-war sentiment, and to me, it's most prevalent in both 2 and 4. The War Economy is a very real thing, and Kojima did very well at putting the concept out to the public in his own way. I have to wonder if he enjoys Philippe Le Billon. I am from a fairly simple, rather stereotypical midwestern small town. The military maintains a good presence here, and most people look at it in severe reverence. I remember the day the military brought out one of their gaming trailers to the front of my school. I never entered it myself, but I saw pictures of it, and many more could be found online. It struck a cord with me, knowing they were using games - it was COD, in fact - as a way of marketing themselves to as many impressionable teens as possible. "War as a video game - what better way to raise the ultimate soldier?" Yet.. I didn't go into that trailer, as I said. I don't follow the military mindset or accept the opportunity to be a soldier. Still, I do respect the people who have fought for my ability to not join their ranks. I hate war, yet I'm grateful to be on the winning side. I don't trust the government. I don't trust many things easily. Call it trust issues or a lack of naivety, it doesn't matter. At least I am free to not trust, no? I am free to get out my own thoughts and let people ruminate. ... La Li Lu Le Lots of words
How do you feel about Metal Gear Solid 2? 🔫
I feel good about it.
i like it but mgs1 is one my favourtie games ever
It's a masterpiece and my second favorite game of all time
Love it. But everything was better back then, early 2000's were fire for gaming. Miss those days!
@@ArcticVXR1hell yeah. The ps2 was a great console, despite its limitations👍
Just met David Hayter last week at Fan Expo. He came out a little late and adressed the line with a “Kept you waiting huh” it was well worth it (Got MGS2, and EGM Oct 2001 issue signed)
That's awesome. He sounds like a class act.
@@YourFavoriteSon1 As I was walking away he called my name and goes “You’re pretty good” honestly cant wait to meet him again someday it was surreal
Did he ask you to squeeze his hog™?
Omg that makes me realize that David Hayter can literally be late to ANYTHING and get away with it every time with that line xD
@@TheObscureCommentatorhonestly even if he was late by 30 minutes and pulls that out it would be worth it
It can be easy to fall down into the pits of despair when talking heads on flickering boxes start getting to you. But just as Raiden steps out into the sun and gets a boost from Snake, we can remember how important the human connection is. We can find our Snakes, or be him to others in need. Just as you can't build a house upon sand, it's strengthening communities and helping each other that will build a future, starting with the foundation. There is no top-down approach to fixing things, there's no vote. There's only what we do for each other.
Uhhhh I mean... great video! I love Metal Gear Solid 2 :D
This is great
voting is still super important and exactly because of what you said
@@bermudi Lol
Little known fact about swimming with Emma, if you have Raiden take pentazemin she can hold her breath longer. This is because he told her to listen to his heartbeat, which is slowed by the drug.
Dope if true. It does make sense at least
Never heard that one!
Jesus. Mgs2 is the gift that keeps on giving, huh
Wow, thanks for the tip!
Wow scary how much detail they made in this game, even crazier when you add the fact the game is dulled down because the ps2 couldn't handle what Kojima actually wanted
This game came out in the perfect time of my development as a human. Completely changed the way I look at media and how media can have a message and deeper meaning than just entertainment if done correctly. One of the best games ever.
Snake Eater was exactly this for me
A lot of the themes went way over my head when it was originally released. I didn't learn to appreciate them until a few years later.
I've watched hundreds of MGS2 essays/retrospectives and I have to say, this is among the best commentary and observation wise. It just hits and articulates things so well that show a genuine understanding, BONUS points for not showing your face every 2 minutes and injecting try hard memes while keeping a semi dry but still attention holding narrative. This is how you do it.
"Touch grass"
-Genius Kojumbo
My beautiful wife, who was 31, passed away suddenly on the 23rd of this month..and the ending minutes of this video really spoke to me..about the memories we have being real
And shit like that..
Miss u babe, love u a whole lot
so sorry my man, stay strong
I'm sorry man, I hope you can find peace and be okay
We makin it off the big shell with this one boys.
💯💯💯 Real Infiltration Hours 💯💯💯
feels like you didn't see the end of the video.
This is one my favorite retrospectives now 👍 All sorts of emotions. I went from "enjoying the video" to "questioning my entire life" to "being happy and hopeful for a better future" while watching this one.
just like the video game you were talking about, this TH-cam video is passionate piece of art
So happy to hear you had that experience. It means a lot.
This game was the first time I remember having my expectations subverted so heavily. Its aged like a fine wine and is still my favorite Metal Gear game by far.
It's not my favorite, but probably a close second.
It's my favourite too! It blew my mind playing it for the first time as a kid revisiting it a couple of years ago it blew my mind all over again
Same! First time I felt the power of storytelling in video games as a medium, actively trying to be artistic & make bold statements aesthetically & thematically.
Yeah, I do an annual replaying of all the MGS games, and I always play this one at least twice in a row, because I love it so much!
This and MGS3 are my faves, BY FAR!
3 and 1 are my favorites. I mean I kinda like them all equally. But I was 8 when it came out. I had chicken pox that year. So I had a week off of school. And I also had an appendectomy that same year. So I was off some more. I beat the game twice a day for the week of the pox. And no telling how much I played it recovering from surgery. So it’s one of those games where I loved it so much at the time. But I’ve played it so damn much that it lost its luster. Especially compared to 3.
I love the idea that a vampire is over the top after the "haunted arm" reveal. I mean things were already batshit cuckoo.
good point.
To be fair, it's later revealed that Ocelot just went crazy and Liquid's personality isn't actually in him. Liquid Ocelot's personality was actually nothing more than the manmade product of Revolver Ocelot's own drug use and autosuggestion.
@@ShawnFerrell Just the idea that you can graft a strangers arm onto you successfully enough to remain as fully capable as pre-amputation is science fiction enough. It takes extremely precise matches, measured cuts, controlled environments and careful planning of the entire process to come close enough genetically to get the body to accept a foreign part, even from a family member, and tons of immunosuppressants to get the body to not outright reject it. Just slapping some guys arm on you- one unquestionably carrying FOXDIE at that, and having full use of it is crazy.
I’m a new father and I’ve spent most of the time after my daughter was born feeling anxiety about the world she’s going to grow up in. I really appreciated hearing your thoughts at the end section there, it’s given me some perspective and made me feel a bit more in control, I guess. Thanks, - Dad
your video about mgs is one of my favourite videos about any mgs game, great work. This is going to be an awesome mgs2 vid, i know it.
I'm glad you liked that one! Been putting a lot into this series.
@@YourFavoriteSon1 It shows!
This game really blew my mind, way back in the day. Also was the first Metal Gear game I could beat. After that, I was absolutely hooked on the franchise.
It's shocking how well they hold up.
@@YourFavoriteSon1 I still have my PS2 copy. I should probably play it again. Thanks for the well analyzed videos of my favorite games.
The bosses in Ghost Babel almost have Trigun villain energy, especially the guy in a world of guns who uses a giant fucking boomerang. lmao
You can NEVER talk too long about metal gear solid 2 ……
Looking back, everyone should have been able to tell from the very start it wasnt the Colonel. He arranged at the end of MGS1 for Snake to escape with Meryl and be counted among the dead. He would have known snake was still alive, but the AI just knew the death report.
my favorite part about putting this video on before i fall asleep is that i can skip to any moment in it and still find out something new. you really know how to jam pack content into a video LOL
Whenever people end the conversation about this game at “it predicted modern Internet culture and how everything sucks,” it feels so incomplete, and I’m really happy with how you articulated the flip side to that idea that Snake presented. These games don’t always end with a perfect happy ending, but no matter what happens, there’s always a pervading sense of hope by the end of it all. It’s a big part of what makes them so beautiful!
fucking awesome work man
i loved this
i appreciate your approach to retrospective videos. not just repeating info from the game but having some of yourself shine through in the video as well
great stuff
I had no idea that “substance” was inspired by the Joy Division album or that Kojima was a fan. That’s an awesome little tidbit.
Love will tear us apart is in mgsv
This was my first start into Metal Gear Solid, and is what started my love for it, I was and still am obsessed with MGS, and this has and always will be my favorite in the series, I legit yelled YOOOOOO out loud at 3am when I saw you were doing this series, and was excited for MGS2, this video sits deep in my heart, i was a poor kid and lived in hotels most my life and my only friend at that time was video games, so MGS2 was my best friend during those depressing times, love the video and can't wait for for more!
Semper Fi(delis) is a Marine Corps motto meaning "Always Faithful", not a Navy SEAL motto.
Thank you, I came here to post this.
He also called the Commandant the "Sergeant" of the unit on the tanker... I let that one slide, but this one irritated me just a bit 😂
*_Maybe the real Sons of Liberty are the friends we made along the way_*
Very solid analysis (no pun intended). One little detail I think you glossed over was how for the first time in the series the game provided a way of beating the entire game non-lethally. Every time you deal with an enemy in a lethal manner it's always a player decision, conscious or not. MGS3 makes it more obvious by confronting the player with their choices during the boss battle with the Sorrow, but the idea started here.
I think the reason Raiden is no longer looked at as negatively is less that people actually came around to understand the game and his story/purpose (which of course people did, due to great works like yours!), but also that he got a cool sword and went from "I don't know what to believe in" to "I will cut your memes in half, mister cyborg". Probably easier to grasp than having to actually follow the codec calls for most people.
That's a good point. His arc helped with that in a big way.
Still my favourite MGS game. One of the rare games I will happily play through to completion when I pick it back up every few years.
Literally was a kid playing this and was playing for 4 hrs straight . Then out of the blue it told me to turn the console off at 3am . Did not know what to do with myself after that, but I still kept playing.
Gotta push through
I would have sharted if I was young and playing this in a dark room alone.
2:15:05 That's TS Eliot from 'the Hollow Men". Instructive expansion on the theme, poetry foundation has it for free online.
As a very casual listener/watcher of your videos (I’ve seen a few, these new MGS videos and some of your silent hill videos), your Metal Gear videos are great (but not to discount anything else you’ve done - your other videos are great too). Your analysis, depth, and maybe even more importantly, your presentation, is perfect. Much appreciation for what you do. Great job. I look forward to more.
I loved the sound of the harrier flying over you at max speed.
I met Hideo, and he is an amazing man.
Lucky!
@@YourFavoriteSon1 i know it was in london when he was showing off death stranding and i got a picture shook his hand and everything, it was one of the highlights of my life to meet a hero of mine in the gaming world
Kojima sama
This is THE game of my teenage years.
This is my favorite analysis youve uploaded, fantastically done
1:09 LORD HAVE MERCY 💀 This cameraman is a serious legend.
Bootylicious fr
I played this game at 11 and I still remember the prediction of the future it offers. I’ve kept it in mind all these years as I’ve watched the world’s events unfold.
omg dude this was a blessing! ive been binging codec calls and cassette tapes from the games for weeks! cant wait to watch this
Hope you enjoy!
Very much did, thank you son.
I truly love your videos. Thankyou
Glad you enjoy them!
I remember Snake being so damned OP during the Tengu sequence that i started tranqing him just so i could actually fight them.
Tengu!!!!
Just to point at a little detail that it seems like you didn't see, there's one extra thing to really put an emphasis on the fact that Raiden is under the influence of whoever talks to him: his codec's volume indicator is shaped like a gun pointed towards his head, unlike Snake's during the tanker part of the game.
Beautiful, I didn't even notice that. Thank you for pointing it out.
I talk too long about MGS2
Neat. 2 Hours 30mins? Aight, this must be part 1. Can't wait for part 2.
Jests, aside. Always love the content and thank you for the hard work and time you put into the videos brother.
51:46 - i love the emphasis on "he even Smokes, Cigarettes", just to sell Snake's Coolness that much harder
Im sure mgs2 wasn't thinking about how it sets itself apart from mgs3.
I knew you'd bring honor to my personal favorite in the franchise. Well done. I'm proud of you, son.
I never comment, even on my favorite streamers when it comes to this type of stuff and sir… you have nailed it. Fantastic stuff to say the least!
Another 2.30h video about Metal Gear Solid right as I was going to sleep? I’m in!
Thanks!
I like that You mentioned Deus Ex.
I played these two games almost parallel. I started Deus Ex, but MGS 2. came and I just wanted to try it...and it stayed while Deus Ex was put aside.
Anyway I was excited about the Patriots/Illuminati idea and found it interesting that two really good games were about conspiration theories.
And I am shocked right now watching this video, how precise were the game's predictions about AI and its relationship to mankind, about free will...about our little ponds...
There is a quite good documentary (Netflix, I think) about the internet algorithms which rhymes greatly to the idea above, the ponds, the bubbles that the AI creates for us for our convenience.
These things give me chills.
Great work, Sir!
Thank You!
This is what I was waiting for, Son. You’ve certainly got the superior genes compared to your brother, YourLiquidSon. Keep up the good work!
Good idea for a second channel name
You're the man now dawg
28:20 Based Kojima man, I wish more triple A games had this philosophy! I don't care if my horse's balls shrink in the cold, give me better enemy AI and more variety!
The team's dedication was something else
@@YourFavoriteSon1 I love your videos man, thanks for the in depth work!
In MGS2 you can watch ice melt
I appreciate you calling out GW’s tactic - how it set the “scene” to make us view fear as rational and hope as futile. All these years later you made me see that I fell for it!.
If Kojima wanted me to touch grass more, he should’ve made games with shorter cutscenes. 😅 Wonderful video, son, amazing coverage as always! One of my all-time favorite games. 🔥
"I Talk For Far Too Long About Metal Gear Solid 2"
Well that is just not possible, son.
I loved this. Cant wait for 3.
This. This is what I've been waiting for. This game specifically is my upbringing. I was 11 when this game came out. It's the defining game for me that made me realize that games are more than just something for fun. It's a medium for storytelling. It's the game that made me switch from N64 to PS2 instead of getting a GameCube.
Such a big step for the whole medium
@YourFavoriteSon1 On a side note, I truly appreciate the interaction you do with your community. I know sometimes it can be taxing and even difficult/daunting trying to find different and endearing words for each comment...but know that it really does mean a lot when you do reach out.
This was masterfully done
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Hey son. I want to thank you before I watch this. I played MGS2 as a boy. As a boy, it was an amusing stealth/action sandbox. But as I grew, I knew there was more to the story that I was too young to understand fully.
But as a man grown, I haven't had the time to commit to replaying and ruminating. Yes, I know I can finish it in the run time of this video, but I can't put the depth of thought into it that it deserves.
Son, thanks for this. I'm now going to reexamine a part of my childhood easier and quicker than I could have otherwise.
Naively optimistic... 2 hours 30 minutes and 51 seconds it took me to listen to you, while finding your take on this timeless game refreshing, and informative. Well presented, written and researched. Subscribed finally to you, though this is perhaps the 7th Retrospective I have listened to of yours. Can I ask... Your Favourite Son? Are you close to your dad? Or has he passed? I know this is personal so sorry, you do not have to answer.
Another great vid on to celebrate SonDay!
Cant wait to see you cover 3!
soon
Snake is hands down my favorite video game character and one of my all time favorite character in all of fiction
I was 8 when this game came out and it never bothered me switching to Raiden. Maybe I was too young, but I thought it was cool having snake on your support team and having play along side you
I just finished up MGS2 again in the collection after not playing it for decades and 2 things:
1) Rose is insufferable. She's the type of girl where you'd voluntarily put your life in extreme danger just to get away from her whining, nagging, and mood swings.
2) Raiden sucks. It's alluded to but not adequately given a fair shake. Bait and switch is always a bad thing. You need to look no further than Hollywood "subverting expectations" every chance they get and fans walking away. People look more fondly on Raiden now with the benefit of his appearance in later games where he becomes much cooler and well received. I feel like you can't take what he becomes in the future and then mix and match backwards with the original. Take him as he was released with only the information available at the time. If you were to give a brand new player the series, they play MGS1 and move to MGS2. They have no idea what MGS4 is like at all, so that holds no bearing to their experiences in MGS2.
Despite that, MGS2 is still a great game because you can tell the love and passion the creators had for making a great game and telling an expanded story in their universe.
Also yes, on initial release, I didn't think Pliskin was actually Solid Snake. Once I started thinking he was, I was waiting for my chance for the game to swap back to playing him. By the time I got the sword, I knew that hope was long since gone.
2:12:30
About the mental or social progress thing... From my perspective I think it can go both ways simultaneously, because of the Internet we have marginalized and minority groups of people able to share and validate each other's life experience. What is like being a black or Hispanic person living in Japan, what is it like being Japanese living in America what's it like being a homosexual in a country that vilifies homosexuality and glorifies heterosexuality, whats it like being color blind in a world of full of color? Now I could go on with this but I think you see the point here, because the Internet not being "filtered" we have the opportunity to learn from,support, and grow as individuals in a society that brainwashes us into keeping the status quo for those who benefit from the careful manipulation of social progression, societal ideas, ways of thinking, and the collective perception of our reality.
I'll never forget November 13th 2001 and I put that Metal Gear Solid Sons of Liberty disc in my PS2 tray that I still have and was completely blown away as soon as I seen Snake smoking a cig in the pouring rain on the George Washington mind blowing visuals for its day..... Can't even describe how geeked I was for this game, an absolute classic video game and will always be one of my favorite games , pure gold... I recently bought the MGS collection for my Switch because I travel for work and I just started playing Sons of Liberty again and the nostalgia and makes that 4 hour flight go quickly ... And 2 days later on November 15th 2001 I bought The Xbox and Halo and was blown away again and was excited for the future of gaming
I wasn't aware of mgs at the time so I'm curious, how did you take the fake out when you saw you weren't gonna play as snake?
Also had GTA 3 that same time period
Cigs don't burn so well in torrential rain.
Unbelievably hyped for MGS3, my favorite in the entire series. Great video thank you!
This is one of the best analysis of mgs2 ive seen
My favorite son talks about my favorite game series. I'm in.
Thanks Son! This is Leland from the podcast's favourite game, sent him a link because I'm sure he'll enjoy 2.5 hours of retrospective lol.
Hey that's awesome!
1:59:00 This game is one of the greatest ever, this shit is deep I only played mgs 1 and 5. I really didn't know what I missed, this series is awesome. I never knew raiden was so deep and at the end kinda very relatable to a lot of people.
Son, you made a worthy addition to the canon. We're so proud of you.
The pixel art for Ghost Babel on the GBC is really amazing.
You literally made my day !
I literally love your retrospectives! You do a great job. That said, I have one small critique for this vid:
You got a couple details wrong in this video about a couple military related things. Semper Fi is not a Navy SEAL saying. It is a Marine Corps saying. 1:04:51
And you also referred to Scott Dolph as a Sergeant. 42:15 for this one. He is a Commandant.
Thank you so much for all your work that you do on these incredible videos ❤ I'm really loving this series in particular. But I've watched most of your retrospectives at this point and I really love them :3
This was a formative game of my youth. I played this when I was probably 8 or 9 years old and it has continued to influence me for years to come.
The devs were cooking when they designed Raiden’s hot tight little body
Good to see you, boy ❤
Fun story on my most recent playthrough of MGS2, which was this year after not playing for 3 years and it being over a decade since beating it, I fought the final boss on the day that it happens to be in the game. When he said the date I almost lost my poop. 57:57
My favorite series and one of my favorite video essayers? Lets go??
Stillman saying you have to pick things that you want to pass on so crazy how consistent this game builds up that third act
This is my favorite Metal Gear Solid plot. I adore MGS2 and everything it was trying to say. Even when i was like 12 playing it for the first time and not quite "getting it". I still loved the surface level stuff. Then I played it again while in college and it just blew my mind with the messages. This game is a masterpiece.
When it comes to gameplay of the first 4 solid games. Its 3. (V is technically my favorite because of how much action it is but thats not Tactical Espionage Action fo me)
The best dialogue in the game was the codec between Emma and Raiden
Oh yeah My favourite son with another heater. I just watch anything he puts out, but it's even better when it's about an absolute classic like MGS2
I needed this video i think
Is my prefered in The series and one of The most important pieces of midia of My life.
39:22 Otacon meant to meet Sergei Gurlukovich? Thought it was Ocelot not Otacon.
The death of Ema is incredible. It's so powerful. The parrot. It's crazy.
The affair is a bit of bad taste but i remember, even as an edgy teenager, i felt so touched by that scene.
Then the friendship between snake and Otacon. With the music. Man that's so good.
Then after this point the game becomes so crazy lol
Okay, my second favorite son, that excellent story explaining.
My favourite game of all time.
Love the video.
I played Metal Gear on NES when I was a kid so I didn’t get into it back then, but when MGS came out I was old enough to really get into the game and I’ve been a fan since.
One of the GOATs, both the game and our favorite son.
27:30 I feel like that's why the Arkham series was so successful. If you go from Arkham Asylum to Knight its a natural progression of controls.
Ahh my weekend chores audio experience is here 😊
The first time being on that tanker was amazing.
I played the MGS series for the first time a few years ago, I played all 5 back to back immediately one after the other. I remember a very polarizing opinion of MGS 2, some saying it's the worst game ever made, some saying it's their personal favorite in the franchise. I gotta say, this is genuinely one of the greatest games I've ever played in my life.
2:12:59 Garbage in, garbage out.
Metal gear 2 have interesting story to tell and you presented it elegantly and clearly. Thanks for the video
Was introduced to you through the worst reviewed steam games, then saw your metal gear videos and now im a fan lol
One of my favorite parts of the MGS series is the anti-war sentiment, and to me, it's most prevalent in both 2 and 4. The War Economy is a very real thing, and Kojima did very well at putting the concept out to the public in his own way. I have to wonder if he enjoys Philippe Le Billon.
I am from a fairly simple, rather stereotypical midwestern small town. The military maintains a good presence here, and most people look at it in severe reverence.
I remember the day the military brought out one of their gaming trailers to the front of my school. I never entered it myself, but I saw pictures of it, and many more could be found online. It struck a cord with me, knowing they were using games - it was COD, in fact - as a way of marketing themselves to as many impressionable teens as possible.
"War as a video game - what better way to raise the ultimate soldier?"
Yet.. I didn't go into that trailer, as I said. I don't follow the military mindset or accept the opportunity to be a soldier. Still, I do respect the people who have fought for my ability to not join their ranks. I hate war, yet I'm grateful to be on the winning side.
I don't trust the government. I don't trust many things easily. Call it trust issues or a lack of naivety, it doesn't matter. At least I am free to not trust, no? I am free to get out my own thoughts and let people ruminate.
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My favorite son reviewing one of my favorite games of all time? Let's go!
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