Patronising on Newbons part to think that Jimmy Greaves somehow wasn't aware that it was 1983 when Jimmy was referring to Big Brother from George Owells novel , 1984 .
Yeah. Newbon was so quick with the sneering snobbery he missed the fact that Jimmy had already said 1984 and cited Big Brother earlier. Berk. 'Re the headbutt, a scrap is one thing but McMahon ending a fellow pro's career with a dangerous tackle is beyond the pale.
I'm sure Gary Newbon regrets this. We all take time to grow up and realise we are just not that important - but Gary seriously comes across as thinking himself a superior class to one of the worlds greatest strikers of all time. I shudder to think how condescending he would have been to us guys here... sad.
@@pipster1891 it wasn't that Greavsie's POV was correct (but then bear in mind this was 1983 and the idea of television evidence would have been a very alien concept here), but more so that Newbon started being condescending towards Jimmy about getting his literature knowledge wrong. I am sure, and would hope, Newbon regrets this. He was a great ringside reporter at ITV broadcast boxing, but this clip was not his finest hour.
@@davidholgate123 Actually, come to think of it his interviewing technique at boxing was quite aggressive (even more than Garry Richardson) and often antagonising. I was probably thinking more of Reg Gutteridge the boxing commentator, as being sound at his job. The way he carried on talking loudly over Greavsie's perfectly valid arguments here was cringeworthy. Jimmy was a legend, knew his football, and a thoroughly decent and humble man, and didn't deserve such rudeness and condescension. And the school masterly "we're not going to agree on this" could have been taken as "you should be agreeing with me on this".
The context of this is a Villa-Blues derby in 1983 when Blues' Noel Blake stuck the nut on Villa's Steve McMahon after the final whistle, and Newbon sent the footage to the Football League demanding they take action. What Newbon did not do is ask the League to take action against McMahon, who, earlier in the match, put a two-footed studs up foul on Kevan Broadhurst which ended his career. Which is why Blake took his revenge afterwards. McMahon was not so hurt that he could not flee to the Villa dressing room when he saw Mick Harford coming for him as well.
Those were the days. Graham Rix slagged off Blake and took a slap from Blake who then got sent off at Highbury. All Part of the game but no diving around .
As far as I'm concerned , you could take a petrol tanker down Villa Park, open the taps, put a match to the place & film every second and I still wouldn't see it as evidence of any wrongdoing.
I used to love the way Greavsie's voice would go up half an octave when he was annoyed. There was a similar occasion, to around 1 minute in during this clip, that he got really upset at a veteran Jimmy Case (42 y-o at the time) getting a second bookable offence for time wasting for Brighton at Leicester "that is!!...that is an embarrassment to football!!". Maybe that is also on YT? More to the point, I used to really love watching Greavsie on the telly. Really good chap, was Jimmy. RIP, Sir.
very interesting point-of-view from Jimmy there: "the TV cameras are only there as guests of the club (and therefore should not meddle)". I think Sepp Blatter agrees.
MrAvalanche64 They were really called the Solihull Barons,who were an Ice Hockey team...I think Gary Newbon ran the team at the time of this clip....Greaves just called them the Solihull Newbons for devilment!
"On the evidence of television?", "Nah, nah, come on Gah..." Incredulity and calm dismissiveness are sometimes the only way to come back at a Know All. Well done, Jimmy, for standing your ground but not rising to the shout bait.
If anybody's interested, this "discussion" is about Birmingham's Noel Blake being called up before the FA for headbutting Villa's Steve McMahon after Central provided them with a tape of the incident - which the referee didn't see at the time. Blake was duly banned and fined and Blues manager Ron Saunders duly banned Central's cameras from St Andrews.
@@maratonlegendelenemirei3352 All but one of Clough's 251 goals in 274 apps for Middlesbrough and Sunderland were in the 2nd division. Greaves 357 goals in 516 1st division games is still the record.
Newbon's absolutely right of course, and it's always against the laws of the game for a player to headbutt someone no matter what he did to provoke it, even if he got away with a career-ending tackle on the player's team-mate earlier in the match. Newbon sending Central TV footage of the headbutt to the FA is just an early example of VAR in action. But it's 1983. No VAR here. And it's Jimmy Greaves, the greatest goal-scoring talent that England ever cultivated. No one gives a shit what Newbon says. Shit on the Villa.
And in 2022 if Jimmy Greaves (RIP) had farted walking down the high street, some numpty would have recorded it on their smartphone and it would go viral within 24 hours.
There has never been a time where TV evidence hasn't been used. Not in my lifetime. Footballers used the excuse of distraction and the final whistle for cheap shots. Never seen a footballer try anything with a bloke who was their size or bigger. Fair play to rugby players who could take it and give it. Footballers are not that brave.
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Jimmy Greaves -- the greatest natural goalscorer England ever produced.
Gary Newbon -- Bellend.
Nah, Brian Clough was better
@@swinetrek The better bellend?
Brian Clough Banned Newbon from the city ground for taking the piss out of Forest.
@@swinetrek which division?
Patronising on Newbons part to think that Jimmy Greaves somehow wasn't aware that it was 1983 when Jimmy was referring to Big Brother from George Owells novel , 1984 .
Yeah. Newbon was so quick with the sneering snobbery he missed the fact that Jimmy had already said 1984 and cited Big Brother earlier. Berk.
'Re the headbutt, a scrap is one thing but McMahon ending a fellow pro's career with a dangerous tackle is beyond the pale.
Greavsie.. what a player.. that look he gives Newbon at the end says it all.
I'm sure Gary Newbon regrets this. We all take time to grow up and realise we are just not that important - but Gary seriously comes across as thinking himself a superior class to one of the worlds greatest strikers of all time. I shudder to think how condescending he would have been to us guys here... sad.
You think Jimmy Greaves is right on this point? That video evidence should never be used?
@@pipster1891 it wasn't that Greavsie's POV was correct (but then bear in mind this was 1983 and the idea of television evidence would have been a very alien concept here), but more so that Newbon started being condescending towards Jimmy about getting his literature knowledge wrong.
I am sure, and would hope, Newbon regrets this. He was a great ringside reporter at ITV broadcast boxing, but this clip was not his finest hour.
I doubt it. I remember me and my dad thinking he was incredibly arrogant back in the day when watching boxing and the way he treated people sometimes.
@@davidholgate123 Actually, come to think of it his interviewing technique at boxing was quite aggressive (even more than Garry Richardson) and often antagonising.
I was probably thinking more of Reg Gutteridge the boxing commentator, as being sound at his job.
The way he carried on talking loudly over Greavsie's perfectly valid arguments here was cringeworthy. Jimmy was a legend, knew his football, and a thoroughly decent and humble man, and didn't deserve such rudeness and condescension.
And the school masterly "we're not going to agree on this" could have been taken as "you should be agreeing with me on this".
The context of this is a Villa-Blues derby in 1983 when Blues' Noel Blake stuck the nut on Villa's Steve McMahon after the final whistle, and Newbon sent the footage to the Football League demanding they take action.
What Newbon did not do is ask the League to take action against McMahon, who, earlier in the match, put a two-footed studs up foul on Kevan Broadhurst which ended his career. Which is why Blake took his revenge afterwards.
McMahon was not so hurt that he could not flee to the Villa dressing room when he saw Mick Harford coming for him as well.
Villa fan agreeing. You're right 👍
Those were the days. Graham Rix slagged off Blake and took a slap from Blake who then got sent off at Highbury. All
Part of the game but no diving around .
your spot on, after reading your comment i looked up that incident on youtube and the tackle and the headbutt are both there.
th-cam.com/video/S0L8uhkW9SE/w-d-xo.html Highlights. Pretty violent match on a slightly damp pitch. Blake also missed a penalty.
As far as I'm concerned , you could take a petrol tanker down Villa Park, open the taps, put a match to the place & film every second and I still wouldn't see it as evidence of any wrongdoing.
How prophetic were Jimmy's words because look what's happened, exactly what he spoke about.
I used to love the way Greavsie's voice would go up half an octave when he was annoyed. There was a similar occasion, to around 1 minute in during this clip, that he got really upset at a veteran Jimmy Case (42 y-o at the time) getting a second bookable offence for time wasting for Brighton at Leicester "that is!!...that is an embarrassment to football!!". Maybe that is also on YT?
More to the point, I used to really love watching Greavsie on the telly. Really good chap, was Jimmy. RIP, Sir.
Greavsie knows his stuff
very interesting point-of-view from Jimmy there: "the TV cameras are only there as guests of the club (and therefore should not meddle)". I think Sepp Blatter agrees.
MrAvalanche64 They were really called the Solihull Barons,who were an Ice Hockey team...I think Gary Newbon ran the team at the time of this clip....Greaves just called them the Solihull Newbons for devilment!
"On the evidence of television?", "Nah, nah, come on Gah..."
Incredulity and calm dismissiveness are sometimes the only way to come back at a Know All. Well done, Jimmy, for standing your ground but not rising to the shout bait.
If anybody's interested, this "discussion" is about Birmingham's Noel Blake being called up before the FA for headbutting Villa's Steve McMahon after Central provided them with a tape of the incident - which the referee didn't see at the time.
Blake was duly banned and fined and Blues manager Ron Saunders duly banned Central's cameras from St Andrews.
Tx for letting me know. I was wondering what it was all about.
Jimmy was spot on there
Newborn trying to mock Gresvsie on literature and looking like Samantha Fox's left one
This is why FA never likes Jim.. The Man is a Legend of the game who saw back then where this once great game was going.
James Peter Greaves a TRUE legend and a more natural goalscorer than anybody else who has ever played the game
Brian Cloughs record is pretty good, 250 odd goals in only 270 odd appearances.
@@maratonlegendelenemirei3352 All but one of Clough's 251 goals in 274 apps for Middlesbrough and Sunderland were in the 2nd division. Greaves 357 goals in 516 1st division games is still the record.
Totally agree with Greavsey on this.
What, you just ignore reality because you don't like how it came to light?
jimmy greaves looking smart and talking about 1984!? interesting.
Good on you James. Plus you are a legend and he's not even a bellend.
The only TV football pundit who could naturally connect with children making football entertaining not boring
RIP Jimmy
Jim said 1984 and then '1983, only a few months left.' Newbon still tried to be condescending and then admitted Jimmy was right.
Greavsie knew
Top stuff Jim. Look at the state of media now.
Was Jimmy Greaves bringing up ice hockey there,the solihull newbons v nottingham panthers,big punch up,Yeah baby.
Newbon was always a tedious plonker.
What an absolute legend of the game. There will never be another Gary Newbon.
Was it the battle of St Andrews they were on about? Vs Villa?
Go arrrnnnn Jim!!!
Jim looks very trim
look what it has lead to VAR
Wow, in a roundabout way, . A football player having a bet & hoping we never get VAR ,this WAS 35 years ago!
Star Soccer and the reason for the move to London and On The Ball for Jimmy Greaves was the end of regional coverage on ITV
Central News Sport was class when these pair were on air...
What were Jimmy Greaves and Gary Newbond arguing about would like to know please
who was right in this?
Well Saint. What exactly were they referring to?
Villa v Birmingham in October 1983, when Central TV reported a Villa player to the FA for a headbutt that the referee didn't see.
RIP Jimmy Greaves
This is Big Brother 1983.......🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Newbon = Horrible little toad
Reminds a little of James O'Brien.
Thats a insult to a toad . Gory nnborn is terrible and a total fraud of a sports presenter .
Jimmy was certainly not well pleased with Newbon there.
@MrScoopy19 They're still guests - in the same way that children think of Santa Claus as a 'guest'.
Newbon's absolutely right of course, and it's always against the laws of the game for a player to headbutt someone no matter what he did to provoke it, even if he got away with a career-ending tackle on the player's team-mate earlier in the match. Newbon sending Central TV footage of the headbutt to the FA is just an early example of VAR in action.
But it's 1983. No VAR here. And it's Jimmy Greaves, the greatest goal-scoring talent that England ever cultivated. No one gives a shit what Newbon says. Shit on the Villa.
Top bin Jimmy!
Who on earth are the Solihull Newbons??
What was this about?
The Guardian also brought me here
Now..tv owns football.. lock stock and barrel
Gary Newbon ...the Times over the years he put his T.V foot right in it......
are they gary's rent boys ?.
And in 2022 if Jimmy Greaves (RIP) had farted walking down the high street, some numpty would have recorded it on their smartphone and it would go viral within 24 hours.
@squiremarr
me too!
Jimmy Greaves threw one punch on a football field. It missed.
newbon was nice to me when i met him but like greavisie too
And then along came Sky Sports and rightly F'd it all up 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Whilst i am watching this, for all of Sky Sport's faults at least they recruit pundits with personalities. The BBC is the capital of dull.
That was ITV. The BBC wouldn’t employ crap like Newbon.
he was told..never to go to full spastic..but he did..he went full spastic.
There has never been a time where TV evidence hasn't been used. Not in my lifetime. Footballers used the excuse of distraction and the final whistle for cheap shots. Never seen a footballer try anything with a bloke who was their size or bigger. Fair play to rugby players who could take it and give it. Footballers are not that brave.
Gary Newbon was right
youweechube shut up you fuckwit
I love Jimmy Greaves but he was wrong here.
Newbon was right.
Angry drunk anyone.......?
Oh fuck off
Who on earth are the Solihull Newbons??