F1 steering is WEIRD, but the reason is FASCINATING
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The loops are necessary to let the info sink in after a few passes
And that's how you drive viewer count with editing
@@legomanTJ I don't think replays count as extra views
@@idekwhat1572it might not add views but it certainly adds watch time which is also valuable
@@idekwhat1572they do
@@idekwhat1572they do i believe
finally, a short where the lil pause before a loop is unnoticeable
Seriously thi
Well I notice it
Its less noticable than any other, thats for sure
@@derpz_ Hey everybody - All hail the kwisatz haderach here.
finally the millionth time a short loops seemlessly .
Damn that loop, it took me 3 times to notice.
same lol
Trust me if u get stuck in the loop , then u need it
Weirdos
The video is wrong the f1 cars turn like that because it’s an Easter egg from cars the katchaow move
@@that_one_reply8805 now i know where they got it from ☠️
I've been waiting for this short to finish for a few months
me to
😂😂😂
I didn't even notice it looped at first help😭
That's because u forget tiktoks the second u watch it
Can confirm, 5min before i started actually paying attention
The end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never
How many times did you watch it before you realized?
This isn't tiktok 💀@@chrisey7210
*The perfect loop does not exis.....* 🗿
watch his videos, they are all like this, it's amazing
…ts I have never encountered a “perfect” loop on yt shorts. They are all very obvious.
your right it doesnt
@@toast6375I get there are sometimes a pause before it loops, but idk, this one doesn't do that for me, and idk why it does it in the first place
What loop is still not finished
The inswide weewl tuwrns shawpewr dan de outside wheewl 😂
this loop was so perfect, that i didnt even noticed it
Same
The seamless transition is on point.
Right
It’s animated. It’s not really that hard to do. Don’t praise these people for this. Loops are a disease on TH-cam.
666 thumbs up
They really nailed the loop with that neutral inflection at the end, he was making a statement but his tone was indistinguishable between a statement and a question
Thanks for elaborately mansplaining what the entire planet can hear, perfectly well. Congratulations.
@@Robin.Tussin I am so deeply, TRULY sorry for explaining something while also simultaneously being a man. I know I know, how DARE I open my facial orifice?
How was my MANpology? Was it patronizing enough for you? 🥴
@@Robin.Tussin Thanks for elaborately womansplaining what the entire world can hear, perfectly well. CoNgRaTuLaTiOnS🥴
@@bingbongmcgee Exactly the kind of simple-minded and emotional nonsense I expected - meanwhile, you're incapable to rebut, anything: so nothing's changed...
Lol, chimp.
@@bingbongmcgee No rebbutal - nothing has changed. Lol.
The transition was the smoother I've ever seen but still not enough to trick me
Same personally I noticed once he started about how the wheel turns sharper than the other
sure kid no one is impressed
Yeah, noticed it after he said: "the outside wheel turns sharper than the inside wheel"
When making a perfect loop is more important to you than properly explaining the topic…
The steering wheel schema used in F1 is called Anti-Ackermann and it's used due to higher forces involved during the rotation of the vehicle. It took me a whole semester in Automotive Engineering to get it and this reel explains it in half a minute. Props to you guys
I want to study Automotive Engineering - is it worth it?
@@eggsy.k5870 If you really like cars/you would like to work in the automotive industry, it's certainly a good choice!
The answer to me is within the deflection of the tires
i hear the reasoning, yet it still makes no sense to me. this perhaps explains how rob dahm initially had his car set up like this. i thought it was bizarre someone pretty damn smart could screw up steering, but i guess it was intentional. he was copying the hoonicorn, did that use anti ackerman? i dont see why it would, i still dont quite see why f1 does either. my brain cant wrap my head around it.
F1 cars are light and very fast but with all that momentum and speed the weight is stronger than the grip on the road so to help the grip it uses the tire on the out side front corner to over steer to make more grip
This has got to be the longest TH-cam Short I've seen so far.
E: Oh, it's a loop.
Ain't no way 💀💀💀
did you actually fall for it
😂😂😂🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
aint no way 😱
Explaination is little misleading but still works. The actual explaination is the contact patch of the outter tyre is more because of the center of mass shifting , hence creating a stronger grip on the outside tyre. Love you animations dude , I like how youtube has so many animations now
Thats what they said.
Bro explained very shortly and understandably and even made my lazy ahh no attention span listen, THE ADDITIONAL OF LOOPING SHORTS is even a chef kiss, a sub
As a formula one fan, I approve.
Also, seeing something so underrated just makes me so sad, please don't give up.
Edit: I don't get what you people are on about. I'm being nice as when I watched this video, it wasn't as popular. For the love of god, leave me alone. I am not deleting this comment no matter how hard you try.
thanks a lot :) I won't
TH-cam needs to ban the word underrated . I haven’t seen a comment section that didn’t have at least a dozen comments with that stupid word.
Don’t worry, the channel definitely seems to be starting to pick up steam, before too long it’ll be the multimillion subscriber channel it deserves to be.
F1 sucks
@@jamesbizs TH-cam banning kindness..? What they need to ban are people starting arguments in reply sections
Anti-Ackermann geometry! had to use this in my FSAE car 🏎🔥
Love Formula Student, what did you study?
I was thinking of the ackermannwinkel as well ^^
@@Racing_Fox413 I studied mechanical engineering. I really enjoyed being part of the project! Learned a lot
In fsae car antiackermann is totally wrong. Too low corners
we used anti-ackermann as well and it was complete dog shit :D the car just didnt turn
Thank you for the video! Just wanted to point out that “Centrifugal force” doesn’t exist in physics. It’s the tangential velocity and the counteracting friction that is relatively ‘centrifugal’
Yes
If you're going to "um, actually" him then I'm going to "um, actually" you. Technically there is centrifugal force because an acceleration is caused due to changing velocity and ΣF=ma. If there wasn't a centrifugal force, then the friction force opposing it wouldn't exist.
Science is all how you define things tho so you can argue it doesn't exist, but only if you use a line of thinking that differs from the example. Which isn't necessarily wrong, but also isn't helpful within the context of this example.
AWKSHWELLY you both missed the actual force, which is called the centripetal force that is angled toward the center of the turning arc.
You're a bad person
It just depends on where you set your inertial frame from.
Bro the loop is so unnoticeable
*de loop is unnodiceable
This is called anti Ackerman, when you look at tyre stability rig data you will notice that as the normal force increases the slip angle in which peak lateral force is generated also increases, therefore you want the outside tyre which will have greater load on it to be at a higher slip angle to make use of this.
Do bear in mind this is only true for some tires at some pressures and camber angles. It's not actually a real rule, although Pirelli F1 tires do appear to have that trend. There's many tires out there with no apparent trend at all, or opposite trend; at least at some camber angles and loads.
@@ArchOfficialof course, it’s entirely tyre / setup dependant
I can't stop seeing the bottom part as eyes and a face at the start 💀💀
Why did you have to say that
I noticed that immediately- must've been expecting a stupid trick image while geeky voice tries to distract you.
Ahhhhh dammit
Sad face saying “make the loop stop….save me”
The first short where i didnt notice it looped, well played you got me
"How much have you watched this before you realized its a loop?"
"Yes."
Its also partly because the friction on wheels deforms the tires such that they are closer to being parallel.
I don't say this much, but that loop was incredibly clean. It wasn't forced like a "and that's why..." The sentence just genuinely circled back on itself. Brilliant writing
That loop is as smooth as an F1 turn
I watched the short 3 times because I didn't notice the loop 💀
They have to account for the way that the tire stretches against the tarmac. It actually twists a little so they have to set up the cars with a slight bit of toe in went it takes a turn. It’s a really beautiful example of a rigid system making use of the elasticity of a flexible material
Sense of order restored
Thank you
These loops are smoother than smooth criminal
I think the reason they do that is actually because there is no torque vectoring of the brake forces on the front axle. Without differential locking, the front inside is prone to lock first under braking during corner entry. Reducing inside slip angle allows more longitudinal forces before the wheel slips.
Did that genuinely was the smoothest transition through loop. I almost didn't catch it.
Man your videos are amazing for explaining things, I’m definitely subbing
Hell yeah got me yesterday lol
When the centrifugal force presses against the outside wheel, it will be way harder to turn that, meaning there will be more force exerted to the outer wheel, meaning it will have to have tires that have been designed to be more durable on the outside, which also could make them more slippery on low speed turns if the denser rubber layer is not manufactured under a precise angle, to alleviate wear on high speed corners and to increase grip on lower speed corners.
If that all is done like that then turning the inner wheel too much can cause at least two problems:
1) the inner wheel tire will start to wear too much and can explode due to softer rubber mix on the inside of the wheel.
2) as mentioned in the video the tire might start to slip.
So the correct angle of the inner wheel will cause less wear, and more grip, meaning it will last longer and improve handling.
How is that loop so smooth 😭
in fact the best one ive ever seen so far...
I really hope TH-cam promotes this channel as much as it deserves!
Keep it up!
This explanation is not quite fully complete. The maximum slip angle allowed increases with normal force due to tire properties as opposed to the normal force increasing.
This explanation is not quite fully complete. The car wants to continue in direction tangential to the curve of its turn, introducing the issue of slippage.
@@AnarexicSumo Without slip, there won't be any turning at all. The main reason there's slip is because the tread pattern takes "steps" in the new direction. A tire is always slipping when steered or accelerated.
@@AnarexicSumo I agree with the the statement that this explanation is not complete. However, slippage isn't an "issue" per se, slippage is simply what is needed to cause the car to corner at all. Of course, high amounts of slippage reduce lateral force.
Many cars do the same thing as this since you have toe in. So if you turn left, the left tire will be more straight than the right one.
@@AndrewTSq Not actually true in corners, as the toe-in is generally to counteract elastokinematic toe-out. So really, it'll be slight toe-out but closer to 0.
“De outside weew turns shahpah den de inside weew” Great accent.
Okay like I actually audibly went "wtf" and my eyes widened when I realized it looped, cleanest loop on TH-cam
I always thought about this but didnt know it was actually used in f1
Is this why drift cars have sharp turning angle? To allow more oversteer and less grip in the front?
no drift cars do the exact opposite of what was explained in this video
@@xxzenonionnex7658 yeah thats what i meant like they turn even sharper to allow the wheels to start sliding early
@@1cyAtticus No, this video is talking about front wheels slipping. When drifting, you want your rear wheels to slip. The high steering angle in drift cars is important to recover from more oversteer than in a stock car. Like, if you could somehow get 90° of steering angle, you would be able to slide sideways while maintaining control.
@@julianrubinstein8499 ohh gotcha,makes more sense now.
This is called anti-Ackermann steering, drift cars uses Ackermann steering
that loop is cleanest loop i have ever seen
First time I’ve heard “centrifugal” used properly in a long time!
HE SAID THE WORD. fun fact centrifugal forces are apparent forces meaning it’s just a feeling. The right word for this is centripetal force
No. Centrifugal force isn't just a feeling, it's a real force that appears when studying dynamics from a non inertial frame of reference.
It's helpful to consider something like a moving car from both its own non-inertial reference frame (where the car experiences a centrifugal force) and the Earth's almost-inertial reference frame (where the car experiences a centripetal force).
One of the smoothest loop ever
"The angle is determined by the grip" spitting facts 🔥 🔥
The difference in turning angles between wheels is called the Ackerman angle. Need to have an Ackerman arm setup to achieve this. Can't be done with factory street car suspension, usually.
You should cover ground effect!
Day 459: i think that this short is near to its end
Damn. This explains exactly why/how I hit that curb making a sharp right turn. I was turning but car kept going straight.
That, paired with power sliding; allows them to move so fluently through the track.
Been watching for 2 hours now, how do I skip to the end?
Keep on watching. It will end soon.
I actually didnt know they could turn separately
Great video dude
If you wanna learn more about how steering works, a good keyword is "Ackerman."
In formula one cars, this is actually Anti-Ackerman, as it's reverse of what's normal.
The wheels don't turn separately. They turn different amounts but both wheels turn at the same time.
“shawper” and “angoul” got me dying💀💀💀
Man, This Never Ends, It´s So Very Good Edited That I Cant Notice The Pause At The End...
That loop is nearly perfect
Bro looped it so we can make a full lap
Good one
Good..now 99 left to go!
That loop is too smooth. I know I'm buzzed but I watched it 3 times over before I realized it.
Loop so clean I sat here for 5 minutes trying to figure it out
that loop is NYASTY
This is also necessary just due to the principle of steering
How do you mean?
@@Racing_Fox413 I will try describe it but if you just Google "Principle of Steering" the first picture already shows it more easily than I could in words. But anyway, it says that every wheel needs to face in a direction perpendicular to the point around which it is driving / rolling in order to have the least resistance possible (picture a wheel attached to a merry go ground on the outside, of course the direction the wheel drives must be perpendicular to the line from the center of rotation to the wheel in order for the wheel to slide as little as possible). Now I give a short explanation based on this and then a long one.
Short explanation: every point on a car when it is turning must share the same center of rotation (so the car doesn't break apart), but since the two front wheels are different distances and angles from this center, they must turn different amounts in order to have the least resistance possible.
Long explanation: we note that the back wheels of cars never change direction and face the same way as each other and so they rotate about the same center. A line passing through both back wheels also passes through the center about which the car is turning due to the principle of steering that I described before so that each back wheel has as little resistance as possible. Now the front wheels also need to share the same center of rotation as the back wheels, and that center lies on the line connecting the back wheels to each other and continuing straight away from the car. But in order to do this, because both wheels will have a different distance from the center of rotation (when turning left say) , they will need to turn different amounts.
@@derickd6150Exactly. Now watch the video again and see that the turns are in the OPPOSITE of what you just described. That’s why it’s so weird.
@@mnzrkahhh you right. Sorry I just assumed I already knew the answer 😅always dangerous. That is really interesting
@@derickd6150 No, you're just making assumptions. This isn't an actual vehicle dynamics consideration in motorsports. All tires generally always slip at different slip angles and have different amounts of lateral force and different "points of rotation", and you do NOT want a neutral balance anyway. You want an understeering balance so that power application doesn't spin the car.
Centrafugal forces aren't real. Instead, there is a centrapedal force, pointing inwards. It just feels like you are being pushed outwards because of your momentum. You want to keep going straight, but car wants goes left, so you feel like you're being pushed right.
The proof for centrapedal forces is actually in the video. The car is going left, so it should be leaning left, but in the part where he draws the forces, it leans right. This could be corrected by flipping the arrow for the centrafugal force, making it the centrapedal force
Technically correct. Usually the best kind of correct. Centrifugal forces are imaginary. Although... I think the video is easier to understand this way because people usually /experience/ a turn not by the car door moving into them, but by them moving into the car door
The force of gravity isn't real, as (when you're falling in a gravity well) you're actually just traveling in a straight line through space-time. We only ever feel gravity when the "stupid ground gets in the way."
But we're gonna keep talking about the apparent centrifugal force because it's something we feel and understand in the fashion that we feel it, in much the same way that we feel and understand gravity.
Yeah, I know, "there's no way gravity can't be a force." Bring it up with Einstein, who (IIRC) actually founded the idea that there's no difference between a truly weightless environment (no gravity well at all) and free-fall within a gravity well (I.E. orbit.)
@@Fightre_Flighte There is a difference though, between gravity and the centrifugal force. The first can be used as a model to make calculations and the visualization easier whilst producing correct results. The latter can only produce wrong results, makes calculations more confusing as you have to put a random *(-1) somewhere to account for the wrong direction and makes visualizations a bit weird as you basically have to bend reality to make it fit to your force. The only benefit you get from using the centrifugal force is that you don't have to explain why you shouldn't use it. Personally, I find that a bit sloppy and against the spirit of teaching physics
@@Brocetga
I feel you. It's certainly more streamlined to lean on centripetal force. It's easier to calculate and visualize your frame of reference, except.... It's harder for internal frame of reference.
Human brain stupid. Likes simple solutions. Centrifugal force still has its place, not in calculations as you assume, but in basic discussion.
Hell, if you think about it, centripetal force is basically what one would describe as the "G force" scale. Which is already more digestible to the layman at the moment. Partly because they're used to being shoved into doors while driving. Which, in the frame of reference to a passenger feels like a force pushing you into stuff, but to an outsider's reference is just momentum at play.
Most people might even hear centripetal force and go "what is that?"
To which the best explanation is a (technically incorrect) "the force that opposes 'centrifugal Force.'"
We fully understand that it's the opposite of the *apparent* force known as centrifugal, it at least gets the point across swiftly.
Either way, I wouldn't actually use centrifugal force in calculations, as that might muddy up the waters a good bit, but in basic conversations of physics I think it's still acceptable to reference the apparent force known as "centrifugal force." Mayhaps even put it in parentheses, and everyone that wants to ask questions can ask their questions.
I'm mean... they are real of ur fram of reference is the car, which is what is shown here. It feels pretty difficult to explain this to someone with just inertia.
I got into nascar like 2018, and got into not missing watching one until 2021. Im only 22 now but I watch every race every weekend. I get mad when truck/xfinity isn’t racing that week. Love it
Mm this loop is pleasing! I hate when people desperately try a seamless loop but fail embarrassingly. This vid is a beautiful example of doing it correctly!
Centrifugal forces don’t exist, rather it would be from the cars inertia during a turn.
Super
thanks
@@KnowArtthis comment might be in German by the way, "super" means "great" or "excellent" in german
Yes I'm German and you are right (as you already know)@@mazarinee
Why is the loop so perfect
Now, I can't unsee this when I watch the onboard cams. Thanks.
This is an interesting concept, especially as a road car utilities what's known as 'toe-out on turns', or the process of the inside wheel turning more sharply than the outside one
The majority of race cars run toe out just like road cars. That includes F1.
That fucking loop is flawless! Bravo bud ❤
Bro the loop was so smooth. I didn't notice at first.
this is called Toe, it’s a really interesting mechanic, learned about it in my automotive class :D
Lord a mercy, that loop had me watching this for a solid five minutes!
I've been watching for 2 years now. This is the longest yt short ever 😢.
Legends say i am still watching the loop till date...
Bro actually almost put me in that infinite tsukuyomi
Proud of you for creating that proper video loop
Anti-Ackerman is to equalize slip angles of the tires in sliding friction.
Damn that loop was unnoticeable
You should compare this to how normal cars turn where the inside wheel turns more than the outside wheel in a zero Ackermann steering geometry.
This is the song that doesn't end
It goes on and on my friend
counter steering on a motorcycle. At high speeds pushing the left hand-grip forward will turn you to the left far faster than you can lean the bike over and manipulate the turn that way. Same physics at work here.
"what a long short" I thought at first. Then I realized that's why the outside wheel turns shaper than the inside wheel on an F1 car. And now I know how to tune wheels in videogames
Fk the loop is perfect. Didn't even notice it
The only thing more finely crafted than a F1 car is this loop
Almost didn't notice that loop very sneaky. Also interesting
it's all about setting the Ackerman angle, in an F1 car the Ackerman is different, unlike a drifting car, it looks very clear, because the two work in opposite ways
A road car uses the acceptance steering principle where the inside wheel makes a tighter turn!
Its not just f1 its all cars but forces are going to be more intense on f1 as its on the edge of racing capability
It’s just a burning memory starts playing
That loop is impeccable
I see, that’s why F1 cornering is so precise with all the speed from straight lines
World record holder for cleanest loops
Godammm that loop was so clean
This is the cleanest loop ive ever seen
I've been here for three months waiting for the video to end.
Lifesaver! Im currently trying to program a racing game and zhe physics are so beyond me
THIS IS THE BEST LOOP I'VE SEEN HOLY COW
"How many time you watched this?"
Me: yes.
I play The Crew 2, which is an all in racing open world game. You can drive F1 cars there too, and I always thought this was a visual bug. But it's an actual accurate feature. 😀