Stockfish vs. Stockfish: PERFECT CHESS
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0:00 Intro
0:57 Najdorf Game 1
6:20 Najdorf Game 2
8:35 Caro Kann
16:20 INSANE London Game
21:40 STOCKFISH WINS
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*insert spiderman pointing meme, but they start punching each other*
lets just ignore this comment's entire existence for fun
its chess
@@shadowvirk9901 yeah lol
Who is even this guy, and whats his business
@@izanazir7088 he is chess, his business is chess
Stockfish playing itself results in a perfect game of chess according to Stockfish
Stockfish speaks for itself.
TRUUUUUUUUE
I play a perfect game as well but in 1000 elo "perfection"
Jeez that's really deep
Stockfish: just trust me bro, I played perfect
Bruh i cant see a mate in 3 but stockfish sacrifices a pawn for 12 moves later
No you did not
@@jeffkaze7 pls show some respect for us 1000s
@@jeffkaze7 Did not what exactly?
seems like they misread cant for can and got offended on behalf of stockfish lol
@@ellielikesmath lol true I wrote that because I was dyslexic and thought it was can, I was like. 'No way a dork could see a mate in 3 while a 99% accurate ninja robot couldn't see it' lmfao Sorry OP
Stockfish: Sacrificing my rook is the best move for me
Stockfish: Well I know that's why I won't take your rook
Stockfish: I already knew you wouldn't take it, you're me after all
Stockfish: I'm so good at playing chess
The stockfish comments on this video have me rolling lmao
Ye
WHICH IS WHICH lolz
The way you put it makes it sound like Stockfish was aware of itself when it isn't. Unlike humans, computers can't think on their own.
@@Augalv Damn we got einstein over here
Now when someone plays the modern against you, you can just say:"That's a bad move I have a mate in 127"
Ofcourse gonna say it
And then immediately blunder 3 queens and lose.
@@alekssavic1154 Listen, if you give me 3 queens to blunder then we both belong on the chess short bus.
@@nexdemise4182 well I mean Stockfish 15 promoted 3 pawns to queens playing against Stockfish 8 in another one of Levy’s videos…..
@@SG2048-meta Did it win?
I appreciate that Gotham denotes how logical Stockfish's moves are, as if Stockfish would ever make a highly emotional move.
He felt more comfortable in that line
Fish also have emotions that was very ignorant
@@Ace-dv5ce Fish are known to be passive aggressive
Stockfish got tilted
Logical is not the antithesis of emotional. Too much Star Trek lol
"A perfect game of chess will always end in a draw"
-Stokfish
Yeah
Works for me 😈
-Sun Tsu, Art of War
Stockfish*
@@spudcoconutTzu*
@@chipotletheexperience UnavailableBird*
Imagine if Stockfish lost and the analysis says he lost with a 99% accuracy
probably did
Magnus once lost to Stockfish with 97% accuracy
@@arigross5373 stockfish be like:im sorry,im half step ahead of you
@@arigross5373 A single mistake is all that is needed if your opponent plays perfectly
Accuracy is based on stockfish move choice, no? So every game stockfish plays at full strength will be 100% accuracy
Humans : "Stockfish what kind of theory is *this* ?"
Stockfish : "I *am* the theory!"
"I am the one who knocks!"
It's a good reminder to have.
We used to consider engines stronger when they had the opening libraries loaded (i remember the older fritz playing book moves until move 30+ when playing against itself), but since engines are nowadays used to study newer (and better) lines in openings, they really redefine what is best theory in openings
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I hear that in James Earl Jones' voice
I am not in "theory", skyler. I AM the theory!
“Chess speaks for itself” -GM Hans
“Stockfish speaks for chess” - Stockfish
"I am chess" - Stockfish.
@@ade8890 "I am Stockfish" - Chess
"Stockfish am Chess" - I
*Am i chess?" - Stockfish
I have to agree with Hans there
Levi when we blunder our rook:”what is this idiot doing he must be 700”
Levi when Stockfish blunders their rook:”outstanding move the foresight here is incredible”
Also stick fish
You fool you have taken my rook that’s checkmate in 54
Stock fish
Auto correct be like
@@Blitz_maniac stickfish
@@Blitz_maniac you know you can edit it right
Trades*
Stockfish vs Leela probably results in better chess despite the fact that Leela is worse than stockfish, simply because they have different ideas of how the game should be played so they "get suprised" by each others moves in some sense.
You can’t surprise the bot because the bot isn’t making moves based on what it THINKS you’re going to do. It makes plays based off of what the objectively best move is despite what the other person plays. The bot accounts for EVERY play. Even when it’s not optimal
@@PtylerBeats True, it literally accounts for even the 8th variation of triple committed bongcloud botez gambits and everything on top of the board.
Each bot just played certain hundreds of gazillions of games, tried certain lines and found different things to lead to better resolutions overall (though stockfish and alphazero tend to be way more receptive than most other bots due to their (I believe) greater experience (?)
@@PtylerBeats so wouldn't that make the lesser bot lose most of the time?
@@PtylerBeats Stockfish hasn't solved chess though, so it seems possible for an engine that has a different way of thinking about the game to find a line stockfish didn't, even if it happens super rarely. They would have to be pretty close in strength though and I don't know how much better stockfish is.
@@PtylerBeats yes you can surprise a bot like Leela, the discrepancy in outcome of what the network predicted vs what actually happened is exactly how a neural net learns, lol.
See, when Stockfish gambits two pawns, it proceeds to get an absolutely savage position.
When I gambit two pawns, it’s because I forgot they had a bishop on the other side of the board.
Lol, it happened to me too many times
It's always the bishop that barely even moved until then, if at all. Every time.
BREAKING NEWS: “Stockfish playing Stockfish is perfect”, says GM Stockfish
Oh, amazing quote to use it!
Sounds like a title from The Onion
stockfish doesn't agree to play at gm level
@@anuartureshbayev1291 is stockfish the real SuperGM?
@@NowWeJustWinIt I'm much better than GMs.
It's literally the Pixar short of the old man playing chess with himself!
except the old man is an elderly god
Stockfish playing against stockfish and drawing constantly is like how two people will constantly draw when playing tic tac toe
9:27 "No you're not a 3800 level engine, you might not even be 800"
You might not even be an engine
This is the funniest comment
This deserves an "I'm not an engine" CAPTCHA meme.
vroom vroom
This is the equivalent of: If i hit myself and it hurts, am I strong or weak?
Means your attack stat is higher than your defense. Train more defense to have a more well-rounded build.
It means you are a moron for punching in wrong place.
@@vez3834 no
@@vez3834 I am not scared of someone with alot of defense
*I am afraid of someone with alot of dodging*
@@youwantmyname9208 so youre more afraid of a sparrow than of an hippopotamus?
future stockfish 20 will laugh at this "perfect" chess lol
Yea lol
I dont think Stockfish can indefinitely improve I think version 18 or 19 will solve chess.
@@maddeleinecarter771nah im gonna solve chess.
@@hgr5789love the confidence
@@maddeleinecarter771 unlikely, you’d need millennia to do that
Stockfish vs. Stockfish = Perfect chess
Perfect chess at its best = draw
Stockfish vs. Stockfish = draw
bro is ALbert einsteins vater
Math axioms be like
what an absolute genius we are dealing with
So you are saying that
Draw = Draw
🤔
@@ayman.mahmood45 yuh huh
*Stockfish is standing in front of a mirror*
Stockfish: "Yeah, do something. Do something, come on! Swing! Wanna hit me so bad, SWING!"
To me that is literally a description for a cat
That's Robert De Niro in 'Taxi Driver'
@@panostzo2713 stockcat
I love this comment.
@@asrieldreemurrthe1st this came back to bite everyone In the ass months later.
No chess is more perfect than two 600s playing. It’s all in your meaning of perfect.
their blunders are beyond our current understanding
This is the nicest thing anyone has ever said about my skill level
Utter chaos. Chaos can be beautiful.
Not even hikaru nor magnus can predict next move of 600s elo player
no no that's art in its purist form
Levi: "YOU'RE THE WORST, YOU'LL NEVER BE GOOD!"
Levi: "my glasses are sick af"
Stockfish: I know what I think, yet I still cannot defeat myself
"Stockfish 15 does not know any theory. Stockfish 15 IS the theory. "
I dunno why but that lines makes stockfish so badass for me.
As Alekhine once said "Sir, I am the book!"
Reminds me of "I'm not in danger . I'M the danger"
@@MIDO44444 YESSS I WAS REMINDED OF THIS TOO
@@MIDO44444 Or Rosarch's line in Watchmen. I don't remember the exact wording, but it was something about making the inmates understand "I'm not locked in with you. You're locked in with me."
@@Lordmewtwo151 yeahh that line is badass
Stockfish vs Stockfish with live analysis using a Stockfish be like:
*Three Spidermans pointing at each other meme*
I love how Levi doesn't really edit it and just does a one take and yet it comes out so good
Stockfish played a perfect game SO WELL against itself, Black & White both checkmated each other.
When Levy said, "You are 3000 points away from the best computer in the world", I felt it.
I'll have you know I'm 3200 away actually!
There’s gotta be a part two with bongcloud being one of the openings, I will beg to see that day come
yes bongcloud opening with engine
*double* bong cloud opening!
I can't imagine if those 2 Kings are suddenly at the center of the board that early.
I'd like to see the Bird's opening, personally
@@Anxiou5Panda just gonna be MonkaS in a mirror honestly.
As a brand new chess player I'm so proud of myself for having actually recognized some of the potential plays in this game and why they were good/bad
The most fascinating thing about these engines is how they have a sense of humor. They, on their own, troll their opponents in key moments. Great stuff, love these clips.
delulu
Anyone else want this to be turned into a series eventually containing all openings?
Stockfish v Stockfish playing the bongcloud please
yep
All openings? If we account for all 1-move openings, we get 400 openings already. Assuming 4 openings per video, that is 100 videos, which is pretty tough. With 2 move openings, the number increases very drastically. So, this is rather unrealistic.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 I'm pretty sure he means the most common openings
Stockfish vs Stockfish playing the cow opening
Stockfish: I am the theory.
Jim Lahey: I am the liquor.
Palpatine: I am the senate
Walter White: I am the one who knocks
you win the comment section
John Lennon - I am the walrus
I'm mowing the air!
This is like me playing myself but everytime i switch sides after moving i laugh at the other opponent..... Which is myself
Not you telling us the way you masturbate 🤣🤣🤣
@@gregorymorris4693 HAHAHAH NOOO
@@renmusic0360 🤣
The sheer emotion you put into this is amazing.
I loved this.
I'd like to see a stockfish vs stockfish but one of them with a depth level one less and see how much it matters.
It probably matters more than you think
@@Wnyee depends on the depth on low depth the depth lvl matters a lot at higher depth not really it will still draw 99.9% of games
15 vs 16 depth and 30 vs 31 to see some difference
Or a time handicap?
Humans after GM Stockfish playing the London:
Humans: In the name of the International Chess Federation, you are under arrest, Stockfish
GM Stockfish: Are you threatening me, Grandmasters?
Humans: The theory will decide your fate.
GM Stockfish: I AM the theory!
Humans: Not yet.
GM Stockfish: It‘s treason, then…
Waht is treason
@@Tarif2809 An act of betraying a government, or governors
haha funy ha
Did you make all this up, or is it a reference I just don't get?
@@talphazero1036 Clearly, the latter.
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Eric Hansen playing Stockfish: "Is this theory?"
Stockfish: "I am the theory!"
He earned my like when he randomly started talking about his glasses 😂 I’m brand new to chess, and I’m so glad this guy exists because his videos are informative AND fun. Bravo!
I like how stockfish says +1.2 advantage in karo-kann after 2 moves at 8:43
If you let it run a few seconds longer, it will evaluate it as +0.6, and the stronger Stockfish version as about +0.4, so it's actually not a bad opening. Even Stockfish needs some time to think, at least on an average laptop.
I'd love to see you play against Stockfish 15 with various handicaps, to see what it takes for you to beat it.
1) Start with queen odds, and increase the handicap until you win a game.
2) Then do a round where time control is the handicap - fight S15 with one one *milli*second per move, and see how that goes, maybe cut it further from there. (No time limits on your side, of course.)
3) Have a round with no handicap, but where you can switch sides with it once, and try to win from its side of the table. (No throwing pieces pre-switch, and no waiting until forced mate - try honestly, and then switch when you think it has a big enough advantage for you to win.)
4) And of course, for the control group, play against it without any handicaps at all.
If you have a positional advantage against Stockfish 15, the engine will at least draw every game unless there is a forced checkmate, and it doesn't seem like a human could ever pull a forced checkmate situation out of a drawable position that Stockfish wouldn't see coming.
If you start giving Stockfish time limits, you are just making it a worse engine, so you might as well play against the earlier versions.
Seeing that first game with the relative value of pieces actually taught me quite alot
the fact I got this reccomended to me once and started watching him constantly even tho I dont like chess is amazing, might be cuz it a nice change of pace
“Yes, Stockfish 15 knows how to mate in the most efficient manner with the king and the rook. It takes 127 moves.”
Im not impressed I can do it under 20
I count 30 moves.
But what if the opponent opposes?
The fact that he put gm on both stock fishes is amazing.
stockfish should have the title GGM for great grand master
@@ulric9964 or just gg.
Maybe UGM ultimate grandmaster
GM is an insult to Stockfish
Or what about TORM (The Only Real Master)? 😅
I find the perfect chess videos absolutely fascinating, seeing the lines they come up with, especially when they actually sac pieces. I'm also glad that we had at least 1 game that wasn't a draw. I understand why the draws happen, but it's nice to see an actual checkmate.
Would love to see this as a series which goes through many openings.
"u won't see any theory here, stockfish doesn't know any theory, because stockfish is the theory"
25:43 rookb3 wins a queen
Can you tell me why didn't he play that
@@sahebaparveen9492 it's check
Stockfish after the last game:
I've withdrawn from the tournament. I've always enjoyed playing in the
GothamChess engine games, and hope to be back in the future
th-cam.com/video/Y8fhccACnDY/w-d-xo.html
lol
Levy: "That's what Stockfish want"
We: "Which Stockfish?"
The game around 20:00 mark was insane how black opened the file directly in front of his castled king early on and white just never even got a chance to get over there and even give him a check or anything while hes wide open because of all the constant pressure on the queenside. Fascinating stuff
Humans : study theory for their whole life to get 0.1 advantages and to reach 2900
Gigachad engines: makes theory of their own
Perfect chess? You mean Niemann against me?
Me: "wait, what kind of move this is?"
Stockfish: "you don't seem to understand who you're talking to, so let me clarify: I'm not gonna use theory, I *am* the theory. I AM THE ONE WHO SACS"
It brings me so much joy that stockfish actually pulled a bongcloud move in a game against itself
I love engine play. Tactics galore and there is always something to learn. Your commentary and discussion of the lines is also a huge part of this process so thank you.
Imagine how strong AlphaZero would be today if the team decided they wanted it to remain the best engine in the world instead of using the technology to revolutionise medicine
i'd rather get a cure on cancer than better elo engine, just my 2 cents
@@harnageaa For you? Ok.
And even forgetting the logical aspect to how it contributes to society, AI will have reached a plateau. Technologies like Stockfish nowadays are way more succesfull at Chess, NNUE and neural network reaches better results overall.
Now Alpha zero could have copied Stockfish the same way that the fish got Inspired by AZ, but it’ll be just what’s the better engine every new release, by a small margin and literally another stockfish with a different name.
it wouldn't be so great, Leela zero, essentially the same had to keep changing stuff and retraining, and its just a little weaker than stockfish, NN engines plateau
Stockfish owns it
1:25
Stockfish “I am the Senate.”
I unironically want to see if Stockfish 15 can beat Stockfish 8 with the bongcloud
It can
Saying that it can is an absolutely huge understatement. I am pretty sure you can have Stockfish 15 play handicapped (like, a Knight down from the opening) and still defeat Stockfish 8.
The opening which is TOTALLY refuted in engine level i think is the French defense. Literally when an engine plays the French, is suffering from lack of space.
The french and caro are esssensially the same in the end so i wouldn't say so. If Stockfish's new neural network can get as creative as Alphazero's was, you can probably see it drawing itself even in the bongcloud
@@besto5486 well not the same exactly. In caro kann you get rid of the problematic bishop on c8. But you lose a tempo moving twice the c-pawn. In French you advance the c pawn once but you play without a bishop and you have a more cramped position. The engine (as white) takes advantage more of the French than the Caro i think.
@@billagap3213 i said in the end because even though you have the French bishop, that doesn't end up being all that decisive and space really doesn't matter as much as it was belived to be, that's why i mentioned the creativeness of alphazero as it could work really well in the most crammed positions, the french just gives you a bad bishop not less space and you waste 2 tempos actually in the caro the other for moving the bishop so all in all, it should be relatively equal as well as resulting in very similar looking positions except the ultra aggressive lines in the French like the Winawer and Tarreacsh
@@besto5486 But the caro is not yet refuted in engine level. Anyway this is all engine level. For us humans especially the lower rated ones everything is playable
@@besto5486 very unlikely that highly dubious openings like bong do not have a loss ratio of 80%+ the stronger the engine. If even a completely solid opening, which is the French, has already started to have relatively high percentages of defeat to be considered refuted. And stockfish has been using neural networks for quite some time, it's not just pure calculation.
I would love to see some more of this especially with more sharp openings like the King's Indian, the grünfeld, sicilian dragon, the benoni, the two knights italian with Ng5 etc and gambits
6:00 seems that computers are programed to see draws as a more viable option than humans
14:00 never see him with such a big smile after that castle move 😂😂
If I am going to be honest with you, in my own humble opinion without being sentimental of course, without offending anyone who thinks differently from my own point of view, but also by looking into this matter in distinctive perspective, I would like to say I have nothing to say.
Well said
I cant believe you actually just fucking said that
Pin of pin
Levy: This game was absolutely nuts, so if you had the *patience* to wait 16 minutes for this...
Me: *Skips to **16:20*
Dude tf vdo came out just 2 minutes ago
He adds timestamps for a reason
As someone who has only ever played chess casually with friends and knows basically nothing about Chess theory, it makes me feel good that we have the same favourite opening. :D
stockfish also knows nothing about chess theory yet is the best chess player in the world !
"Bwuahahaha!!" Super fascinating episode! The streamers are happy - both Levy's Caro and Rosen's London held up!! Thanks for the great content!
I love this type of content. Engines games have some kind of unspeakable aesthetic. Watching these games with Levy's top tier commentary is pure joy. I want more of these 🥰🥰🥰
Was expecting all the games to be drawn honestly, was nice to see a win actually 😁
Would also be cool to see a delayed c5 Caro variation 😁
One thing I like the most about Levys videos is that its not just to spark my interest, the video ends and I’ve learned something
Just wanted to say, just played my first offical league otb match tonight and won and wanted to thank you for all of your content as its been my main learning tool with tactics and openings. Thanks Levy! Keep up the amazing content :)
Calling Stockfish a GM is insulting to Stockfish lol
Why was I always hoping one of the sides would win over the other
I never expected to sit through a 30 min chess video. Thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you.
This reminds me of the game Darklight Conflict for the PS1. In the background, computers are stalemating against computers in an interstellar war.
Stockfish: I'm winning
Stockfish: not yet, take my rook
Stockfish: oh I miss that move.
Stockfish is happy to play the nastiest, scariest, sharpest lines and keep track of all it's crazy pieces. I can't even play five aggressive moves without hanging my queen...
This was really fun! I found some great follow-ups to my absolutely absurd (but apparently stockfish-like?!) moves!
Like the hair! The descriptiveness is top notch, and interesting. This is why I enjoy your content; your way of explaining is both intriguing and entertaining!
Love your vids gotham. Keep it up
0:01 we got em
When you feel like it give us a bunch of moves out the najdorf, I'm keen to see if they fall into similar patterns or if they do crazy defenses every time
I started to play chess when I was 10 in 2012 and now when I started to take it to the next level your video's really change the way I think when I play, it is rely helpful
12:30 me: "I have a feeling King E2 is good here" 12:33: nice!
Me: Stockfish you are playing the Theory
Stockfish: I am the THEORY !!
This is awesome, I would love to see this with more openings! Perhaps some gambits?
Would love to see Stockfish play the budapest gambit sometime!
Great video as always Levy!
It would be interesting to see an older stockfish game (like stockfish 8) with analysis by stockfish 15
some ideas for gambits you could try:
1. fried liver
2. blackmar-diemar
3. danish
4. king's gambit
5. evan's gambit
6. englund gambit
and obviously,
THE DOUBLE BONGCLOUD!!!
YES!
My prediction:
1. draw
2.black wins
3. draw
4. Black wins
5. Draw
6. White wins
Double bongcloud: draw
@@Grason20 I think that white will win in the fried liver....
@@addledanorak8297 i see... Different engines got different opinion about the game, and stockfish 14 gives the bar at ~+0.5
This was awesome chess Levy Thanks !! nice glasses. Retro Futurism is always very sophisticated ! Love it !
I thought the sinquifield cup ended yesterday :O but nice to see theres another round :) Thank you levy
Hans "Chess speaks for itself" Niemann vs. Tigran "Pipi" Petrosian. Let's go!
Yes please
This chess really speaks for itself. Great game by Hans
Everytime I stop playing for a little bit a video of yours pops up and I feel like I need to pick it back up
Stockfish took "fight your inner demons"too seriously
The Caro Kann is definitely good enough to hold the draw in engine games. Either response to the advance variation is fine. I've spent a lot of time looking at engine analysis of various openings, and you have to get pretty crazy in the opening to reach a lost position. For example, if you play the Portuguese variation of the Scandinavian defense (1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. d4 Bg4) that's close to losing for black, but I think it still holds. The key there is that black needs to avoid 4. f3 Bf5 which is the main line and appears to be outright losing, and play 4... Bd7 instead. Another example I've analyzed with Stockfish: In the King's Gambit Accepted white can hold the draw, either with 3. Nf3 or 3. Bc4 and even 3. Qf3 might be good enough to survive. I'm not saying Stockfish wouldn't lose some games in normal time controls, I'm speaking more from a correspondence (with engine assistance) perspective.
There needs to be an annual GCEC: Gotham Chess Engine Championship.
U really did it !!! I was waiting for this video thx a lot!!!!
I love these engine videos. So incredible to see how chess is played at a level FAAARRRR beyond human ability. And as always your commentary is what really makes the video entertaining and enjoyable.