Nice bike, I've to have the vintage mtb bug....have a few GT's, Bontager race and race lite and and two stump jumpers and vintage parts as well...I've been mtbing on and off since those bikes were new but just a pipedream then as I could never afford them then but, have progressed through the years to my current intense primer but find collecting building these made in the U.S.A hardtails with period correct parts fun as hell.....nice bike👍
Great video.i still have my 98 Stumpy.slightly darker green.i never seen another one.i only got back into mtb again this year on a 2021 Specialized Chisel.its like it's Bigger younger brother 😉 Thanks for the info 👍
That's a very nice 1998 M2 modell in dew green that you got there. Very good looking composition, especially the Judy fork in the same color! Maybe the old M739 derailleur doesn't fit and should be a time-correct beefier M750, which fit better to the cranks. I've been riding a few M2 Stumpjumpers for the past decades. The M2 frames actually are a regular 6061 aluminum with additional Aluminumoxide within the metall crystal structure to make them harder. M2 stands for 2 alloy components. They are made from Duralcan(C) and welded at Anodized Inc. in Oregon, USA. Unfortunately the material was so hard to handle with that it was quite expensive and further, the frames were so stiff that riding was somewhat unforgiving and the welds were notorious for cracking, mainly at bottom bracket rivet and steerer tube (1st and 2nd (from 1995) generation M2 frames). That's why the 3rd generation M2 frames (from 1998 on) got rid of the bottom bracket rivet and added upper and lower gussets at the steerer tube. Dualcan can only be stretched by 4-5% and buttoning the tubes was expensive and limited, thus quite heavy as well. The regular Stumpjumper M2 had only the seat tube buttoned, the S-Works a few more. With the new M4 alloy, which can be stretched much easier, it was much easier to manufacture and also using hydroforming to get same and even better frame characteristics than the previous M2 alloy. M4 alloy stands for 4 additional alloy components (Specialized listed them somewhere: copper, zinc...) and using hydroforming and thinner wall thickness it creates a nice compliant lightweight frame which is very nice to ride and cheap to manufacture at Merida Corp. in Asia. There are no more frames Made in USA. I could go on and on... but that should be enough here.
Yeah I met Mike Sinyard at a few races and events, M series alloys like beryllium were short lived. He was riding a titanium lugged Easton carbon tubes stumpy test frame at Durango when I last spoke to him. That was awesome would love to know what happened to that idea
@@lovecycling193 Yeah, that was the Stumpjumper Epic with the Carbon tubes. I bought a similar Cadex in 1991, made by Giant. It had also carbon tubes and aluminium lugs but was heavy as hell. Carbon at that time was new and manufacturing was primitive. The Carbon Epics were made by Giant whose glued frames were really solid, compared to the Trek carbon lugged frames (I had a Trek 8700) that unglued after a few years. Anyways, the M2 stumpjumpers are classics, despite Ned Overend having hated them.
@@DilbertMuc yeah the guy I sold my Raleigh USA titanium/carbon Tomac edition to took into a aircraft engineering place at Poole or Bournemouth, the glue had crumbled. I shouldn't of sold that bike! But lots of rare parts! Including a Signed by John Tioga Disc drive pro and some Tioga Hydro / air forks, that could also be fitted out with a cartridge designed by Scott to take coil and oil damping. That frame had lugs by Lightspeed and I think again Easton or Mitubishi carbon 🤔 my memory sucks after my accident lol 🤣 I can remember some things vivid others not a all 😏
ounds like you're an expert on retro Specialized bikes. I'm trying to find a Specialized frame to build out but not sure if a better option is a 1997 Specialized S-Works M2 or a 1997 Specialized Stumpjumper M2 FS. Any thoughts? Also, I found a 1995-98ish Specialized Stumpjumper M2 frame on ebay that the seller claims to be an S-works although it has zero "S-works" decals, only the stock Stumpjumper decals. Do you know if they made S-works Stumpjumpers back then? Also, my 1997 Rockhopper A1 Comp's frame has a few hairline cracks on the steering tube. I'm searching for a '97 Stumpjumper M2 or S-works M2frame to replace it. Do you know if the Rockhopper's parts/components will work properly on a Stumpy or S-works? The new frame will be the same size as the old. I appreciate it!
@@B.E.C.K. S-Works frames never have Stumpjumper (Tarmac, Diverge etc.) written on it. Only SPECIALIZED and later S-Works. However, S-Works frames always precede Stumpjumper frames by 1 or 2 generations. The current Stumpjumper gets the old S-Works frame while the new improved S-Works is being released. There is no difference between Stumpjumper M2 (alu 6061 and Alu-oxide) and Rockhopper A1 (alu 6061), apart from a few details (for fenders and rack). All Rockhopper parts can be moved to the Stumpjumper. It's all the same, apart the difference that S-Works had the premium XTR parts and Rockhopper the Alivio, STX etc. The Stumpjumpers usually were in the middle (LX, DX, XT)
I love what you've done to your Stumpy - looks awesome! Cool GCN sweatshirt, too - that's a great TH-cam channel. I still have 3 vintage Stumpjumpers, which I love: '98 M2 S-Works with a Manitou, '97 M2 Comp with a RS Judy SL, and a '95 FS with a RS Mag 21. They remain very capable hardtails and I'm taking the '95 out for a trail ride tomorrow morning in fact. Cheers!
Sounds like you have a sweet fleet of Stumpys! I'm trying to find a Specialized frame to build out but not sure if a better option is a 1997 Specialized S-Works M2 or a 1997 Specialized Stumpjumper M2 FS. Any thoughts? Also, I found a 1995-98ish Specialized Stumpjumper M2 frame on ebay that the seller claims to be an S-works although it has zero "S-works" decals, only the stock Stumpjumper decals. Do you know if they made S-works Stumpjumpers back then? I appreciate it!
@@B.E.C.K. the M2 frame was an absolute bitch on tools and cost loads to make, back then the s works Vs comp M2 had the same tubes etc different paint the sworks saved on paint was way thinner, the comp / pro went up to XT. The s works up to xtr but also had the option of Carbon Custom Rock shox but branded specialized forks a S works CNC light weight chainset and basically more bling parts. I think the M4 had thinner butted tubes but I could be wrong. I remember reading that again the tooling costs just destroyed a big percentage of the profits on them. As did welding, I vaguely remember reading it was poisonous or needed an inert atmosphere to weld 🤔 shame really as they are true made in the US frames.
Got a '98 in mango, restomod built up with a 1x9 wide ratio. Running XT 739 Vs, Syncros wheelset, Velociraptors, RaceFace XY post, Flite seat. Great bike to ride! ✌️
@@lovecycling193 Yeah, it's stunning in the flesh! Still love riding it XC most Fridays with a mate on his '98 GT iDrive 300. I've got quite a few 26ers, but I reckon this rides the best! Still got my '97 GT Xizang too, still a blast to ride after all this time! Your M2 looks great with some nice parts, but I'd lose both the seatpost and the bars for something nicer, the M2 deserves it! ✌️
@@mokotramp I use to have lots great high end parts on her years ago, but now she has been basically built up to ride out with my daughter's a few times a year. So I threw a few cheap parts in her to get her back on the road/trail
Used to follow you a few years ago when you were active with Frostys group and Doyleyburger . You vanished from the youtube scene.....loved your content and bike tech reviews... Nice build that. Still got the cannondale gravel bike?... Hope your well fella.
Hi Kev That’s very kind of you, I ended up with a Diverge and a potential law dispute with Specialized! Had to remove my channel and all content, I did attempt to make a return but Covid hit and the NHS asked me to return and help on the front line, so i had a busy busy time, I may try and return this summer in some way 🤔
@@kevbrown7137 if you need parts there is fantastic gent in Bridport on Facebook who I personally know, is trusted and posts parts out etc facebook.com/RetroCyclesBridport
i have a 95 m2 that someone built up from a bare frame that has a lot of nice bits on it. It's a solid fork, but for street commuting it's great. has xtr shifter/brake combos and derailleurs like I had on my old 99 rock hopper i won as a kid. It's a really light bike but i have maxxis hook worm tires, tire liners, and down hill tubes in it cause at the time my 30 mile per day commute had tons of thorns and glass.
@@lovecycling193 ye. got it for a good deal too. 280 back in like, 2014. dude said he had a deal with his wife where if he wanted to build a new bike he had to sell one of his current bikes. Turns out the guy that built it is one of the mechanics at a local bike shop so when I wheeled it in he recognized it right away haha
@@kasuraga funny that, I owned mine new, then sold it to a mate who ended up running a local store, this ended up hung on wall, I told him I wanted her back and purchased just the frame and forks back.
@@lovecycling193 its a great bike to ride but i think its off road days are over. too worried the frame will crack due to its age and m2's being known to crack lol
I ain't weighed her tbh, the wheels are basically DH rims n straight gauge spokes so weigh a ton lol, but I know from back in the day all the M2 frames shared the same tubes, the s works got a thinner style mat paint and extremely thin clear coat, to drop about 100 grams, most weight savings back then we're done specialized fitting high end finishing clear and groups, then also taking products like Rockshox etc and replacing the legs with carbon and crowns with the SL series magnesium ones. But specialized never pushed the weight to far down, my Yeti arc and Manitou HT Easton frames were way way lighter, but fragile! The yeti would dent lots! The Manitou crack! Hence why you tend to see less for sale in good condition.
@@lovecycling193 It looked spectacular from what I recall, I kept that edition of MBUK for years. You could be right about the hazardous welding, maybe that's why it didn't catch on (not to mention the high price). Nice M2 by the way.
I’m searching for a 17”-20”, 1997-2001 Stumpjumper M2 or an S-works frame if anyone has one or a lead on one please let me know. Even if you’re reading this in a few years from now, I’ll always be interested. Just drop a reply comment and I’ll see it in my notifications and get back to you. Thanks! Love the Stumpy community- you all are great!
It’s a complete bike all the original Decore parts an rims just needs new brake leavers an gear leavers an cables, if your still interested contact me I’ll be willing to sell
@@lovecycling193 My 1997 Rockhopper A1 Comp's frame has a few hairline cracks on the steering tube. I'm searching for a '97 Stumpjumper M2 or S-works M2frame to replace it. Do you know if the Rockhopper's parts/components will work properly on a Stumpy or S-works? The new frame will be the same size as the old.
@@B.E.C.K. as for parts between the Rock hopper to stumpy, you might find the seat post is a different diameter as back then seat posts came in many many sizes! But wheels BB and steerer were all pretty much standard on lots of frames 1 1/8th was industry standard for years with mainly Klein Cannondale etc how likes to push the boundaries having different standard's
She’s beautiful. Nice work. Cheers from Clovis!
For a old girl she scrubs up ok
I genuinely love the look of that old school MTB mate. Awesome 👌👌
Cheers chap 👍
The bike companies back then already had the best XC geo‘s IMO.
I love the old Team Green stumpys👍
Cheers, I also had a soft spot for the Mango colour, but seeing I was racing for the Royal Marines / Navy Team the Green made more sense.
I like the green color as well as the bike
Cheers she is an old girl now, but perfect for riding the trail with my kids
Beautiful Bike😍
She is old but fun
Nice bike, I've to have the vintage mtb bug....have a few GT's, Bontager race and race lite and and two stump jumpers and vintage parts as well...I've been mtbing on and off since those bikes were new but just a pipedream then as I could never afford them then but, have progressed through the years to my current intense primer but find collecting building these made in the U.S.A hardtails with period correct parts fun as hell.....nice bike👍
Yeah it's a great era of bikes, and I'm happy I got to enjoy it
@@lovecycling193 looks like you to are reliving the past....nothing wrong with that...if I knew how to post pics on you tube I would post a few.....
I have seen people post just pics n text but never discovered how to myself 🤷♂️
Great video.i still have my 98 Stumpy.slightly darker green.i never seen another one.i only got back into mtb again this year on a 2021 Specialized Chisel.its like it's Bigger younger brother 😉 Thanks for the info 👍
Yeah I remember a dark green a black a red and a mango M series stumpy
That's a very nice 1998 M2 modell in dew green that you got there. Very good looking composition, especially the Judy fork in the same color! Maybe the old M739 derailleur doesn't fit and should be a time-correct beefier M750, which fit better to the cranks.
I've been riding a few M2 Stumpjumpers for the past decades. The M2 frames actually are a regular 6061 aluminum with additional Aluminumoxide within the metall crystal structure to make them harder. M2 stands for 2 alloy components. They are made from Duralcan(C) and welded at Anodized Inc. in Oregon, USA. Unfortunately the material was so hard to handle with that it was quite expensive and further, the frames were so stiff that riding was somewhat unforgiving and the welds were notorious for cracking, mainly at bottom bracket rivet and steerer tube (1st and 2nd (from 1995) generation M2 frames). That's why the 3rd generation M2 frames (from 1998 on) got rid of the bottom bracket rivet and added upper and lower gussets at the steerer tube. Dualcan can only be stretched by 4-5% and buttoning the tubes was expensive and limited, thus quite heavy as well. The regular Stumpjumper M2 had only the seat tube buttoned, the S-Works a few more. With the new M4 alloy, which can be stretched much easier, it was much easier to manufacture and also using hydroforming to get same and even better frame characteristics than the previous M2 alloy. M4 alloy stands for 4 additional alloy components (Specialized listed them somewhere: copper, zinc...) and using hydroforming and thinner wall thickness it creates a nice compliant lightweight frame which is very nice to ride and cheap to manufacture at Merida Corp. in Asia. There are no more frames Made in USA. I could go on and on... but that should be enough here.
Yeah I met Mike Sinyard at a few races and events, M series alloys like beryllium were short lived. He was riding a titanium lugged Easton carbon tubes stumpy test frame at Durango when I last spoke to him. That was awesome would love to know what happened to that idea
@@lovecycling193 Yeah, that was the Stumpjumper Epic with the Carbon tubes. I bought a similar Cadex in 1991, made by Giant. It had also carbon tubes and aluminium lugs but was heavy as hell. Carbon at that time was new and manufacturing was primitive. The Carbon Epics were made by Giant whose glued frames were really solid, compared to the Trek carbon lugged frames (I had a Trek 8700) that unglued after a few years.
Anyways, the M2 stumpjumpers are classics, despite Ned Overend having hated them.
@@DilbertMuc yeah the guy I sold my Raleigh USA titanium/carbon Tomac edition to took into a aircraft engineering place at Poole or Bournemouth, the glue had crumbled. I shouldn't of sold that bike! But lots of rare parts! Including a Signed by John Tioga Disc drive pro and some Tioga Hydro / air forks, that could also be fitted out with a cartridge designed by Scott to take coil and oil damping.
That frame had lugs by Lightspeed and I think again Easton or Mitubishi carbon 🤔 my memory sucks after my accident lol 🤣 I can remember some things vivid others not a all 😏
ounds like you're an expert on retro Specialized bikes. I'm trying to find a Specialized frame to build out but not sure if a better option is a 1997 Specialized S-Works M2 or a 1997 Specialized Stumpjumper M2 FS. Any thoughts? Also, I found a 1995-98ish Specialized Stumpjumper M2 frame on ebay that the seller claims to be an S-works although it has zero "S-works" decals, only the stock Stumpjumper decals. Do you know if they made S-works Stumpjumpers back then?
Also, my 1997 Rockhopper A1 Comp's frame has a few hairline cracks on the steering tube. I'm searching for a '97 Stumpjumper M2 or S-works M2frame to replace it. Do you know if the Rockhopper's parts/components will work properly on a Stumpy or S-works? The new frame will be the same size as the old.
I appreciate it!
@@B.E.C.K. S-Works frames never have Stumpjumper (Tarmac, Diverge etc.) written on it. Only SPECIALIZED and later S-Works. However, S-Works frames always precede Stumpjumper frames by 1 or 2 generations. The current Stumpjumper gets the old S-Works frame while the new improved S-Works is being released.
There is no difference between Stumpjumper M2 (alu 6061 and Alu-oxide) and Rockhopper A1 (alu 6061), apart from a few details (for fenders and rack). All Rockhopper parts can be moved to the Stumpjumper. It's all the same, apart the difference that S-Works had the premium XTR parts and Rockhopper the Alivio, STX etc. The Stumpjumpers usually were in the middle (LX, DX, XT)
Gorgeous green!
Cheers chap, I was in the Marines at the time so green seemed the right colour
She came out beautiful! That's a gorgeous restoration of a neat old sled!
Well done mate, well done!
Thanks 👍 she served me well when I raced her in the 90's, and now in retirement plods along with the kids n me happily 😀
Love a retro stumpy. D521 were supposed to be for downhill I had them on my Sintesi still have them running true and fine
Yep strong heavy hoops but can survive lots of abuse lol
I love what you've done to your Stumpy - looks awesome! Cool GCN sweatshirt, too - that's a great TH-cam channel. I still have 3 vintage Stumpjumpers, which I love: '98 M2 S-Works with a Manitou, '97 M2 Comp with a RS Judy SL, and a '95 FS with a RS Mag 21. They remain very capable hardtails and I'm taking the '95 out for a trail ride tomorrow morning in fact. Cheers!
Cheers for the kind words 😊
Sounds like you have a sweet fleet of Stumpys! I'm trying to find a Specialized frame to build out but not sure if a better option is a 1997 Specialized S-Works M2 or a 1997 Specialized Stumpjumper M2 FS. Any thoughts? Also, I found a 1995-98ish Specialized Stumpjumper M2 frame on ebay that the seller claims to be an S-works although it has zero "S-works" decals, only the stock Stumpjumper decals. Do you know if they made S-works Stumpjumpers back then? I appreciate it!
@@B.E.C.K. the M2 frame was an absolute bitch on tools and cost loads to make, back then the s works Vs comp M2 had the same tubes etc different paint the sworks saved on paint was way thinner, the comp / pro went up to XT. The s works up to xtr but also had the option of Carbon Custom Rock shox but branded specialized forks a S works CNC light weight chainset and basically more bling parts. I think the M4 had thinner butted tubes but I could be wrong. I remember reading that again the tooling costs just destroyed a big percentage of the profits on them. As did welding, I vaguely remember reading it was poisonous or needed an inert atmosphere to weld 🤔 shame really as they are true made in the US frames.
Bike looks fab 👍🏻🙏🏻
Thanks 👍 I do lover her
I have one of these. Such a blast to ride.
Yep I love a 26er in twisty fast tracks
Great Looking bike,love the colours
Cheers ☺️ merry Christmas 🌲
Very nice I still got my diamond back 92 topanga still going today 👍
I remember the Topanga 👌
That thing is beautiful!
Thanks she is an old beast, but still fun to ride, and perfect for the odd ride with my Daughter's 👌
¡ FANTASTIC !
Got a '98 in mango, restomod built up with a 1x9 wide ratio. Running XT 739 Vs, Syncros wheelset, Velociraptors, RaceFace XY post, Flite seat. Great bike to ride! ✌️
Loved the Mango colour 😍
@@lovecycling193 Yeah, it's stunning in the flesh! Still love riding it XC most Fridays with a mate on his '98 GT iDrive 300. I've got quite a few 26ers, but I reckon this rides the best! Still got my '97 GT Xizang too, still a blast to ride after all this time!
Your M2 looks great with some nice parts, but I'd lose both the seatpost and the bars for something nicer, the M2 deserves it! ✌️
@@mokotramp I use to have lots great high end parts on her years ago, but now she has been basically built up to ride out with my daughter's a few times a year. So I threw a few cheap parts in her to get her back on the road/trail
Used to follow you a few years ago when you were active with Frostys group and Doyleyburger . You vanished from the youtube scene.....loved your content and bike tech reviews... Nice build that. Still got the cannondale gravel bike?... Hope your well fella.
Hi Kev
That’s very kind of you, I ended up with a Diverge and a potential law dispute with Specialized! Had to remove my channel and all content, I did attempt to make a return but Covid hit and the NHS asked me to return and help on the front line, so i had a busy busy time, I may try and return this summer in some way 🤔
@@lovecycling193 started restoring a 94 Kona Kula and searched the Tube for retro builds and opened a can of restoration worms... Yours popped up.. 👌
@@kevbrown7137 if you need parts there is fantastic gent in Bridport on Facebook who I personally know, is trusted and posts parts out etc
facebook.com/RetroCyclesBridport
i have a 95 m2 that someone built up from a bare frame that has a lot of nice bits on it. It's a solid fork, but for street commuting it's great. has xtr shifter/brake combos and derailleurs like I had on my old 99 rock hopper i won as a kid. It's a really light bike but i have maxxis hook worm tires, tire liners, and down hill tubes in it cause at the time my 30 mile per day commute had tons of thorns and glass.
Nice 👌
@@lovecycling193 ye. got it for a good deal too. 280 back in like, 2014. dude said he had a deal with his wife where if he wanted to build a new bike he had to sell one of his current bikes. Turns out the guy that built it is one of the mechanics at a local bike shop so when I wheeled it in he recognized it right away haha
@@kasuraga funny that, I owned mine new, then sold it to a mate who ended up running a local store, this ended up hung on wall, I told him I wanted her back and purchased just the frame and forks back.
@@lovecycling193 its a great bike to ride but i think its off road days are over. too worried the frame will crack due to its age and m2's being known to crack lol
@@kasuraga yeah mine is used to ride with kids a few times a year. No XC races left in her or my legs 😂
It's difficult to tell the difference between the 1997 model and the 1998 model. Are there any indicators I'm missing? Which one is yours? Thanks.
Mine is a 97 model but I purchased her in 96, most bikes use to be released end of summer at the bike shows globally.
yeah the 521's were a downhill rim
Yeah my brain is foggy from that far back lol, but I did think they were made for DH they certainly ain’t light!
Beautiful bike. Sorry if I missed it but how much does this M2 Pro weigh? Cheers!
I ain't weighed her tbh, the wheels are basically DH rims n straight gauge spokes so weigh a ton lol, but I know from back in the day all the M2 frames shared the same tubes, the s works got a thinner style mat paint and extremely thin clear coat, to drop about 100 grams, most weight savings back then we're done specialized fitting high end finishing clear and groups, then also taking products like Rockshox etc and replacing the legs with carbon and crowns with the SL series magnesium ones. But specialized never pushed the weight to far down, my Yeti arc and Manitou HT Easton frames were way way lighter, but fragile! The yeti would dent lots! The Manitou crack! Hence why you tend to see less for sale in good condition.
I may be mistaken, I remember that American Bicycles made a Beryllium frame at ~$26k for the frame.
I remember a almost golden silver frame can't remember if it had black lugs 🤔 as I remember reading that welding it was extremely hazardous
@@lovecycling193 It looked spectacular from what I recall, I kept that edition of MBUK for years. You could be right about the hazardous welding, maybe that's why it didn't catch on (not to mention the high price). Nice M2 by the way.
@@adrianmcgrath4154 cheers chap 👍 she rides well thanks
Mavic D521's
I’m searching for a 17”-20”, 1997-2001 Stumpjumper M2 or an S-works frame if anyone has one or a lead on one please let me know. Even if you’re reading this in a few years from now, I’ll always be interested. Just drop a reply comment and I’ll see it in my notifications and get back to you. Thanks! Love the Stumpy community- you all are great!
Hope you find one 🤞
I have a 91 stump jumper 👋
It’s a complete bike all the original Decore parts an rims just needs new brake leavers an gear leavers an cables, if your still interested contact me I’ll be willing to sell
@@harrisonhager5590 in 91 I had a Kona explosife
I got one. Frame is in ok shape, fork is bad though
Can i convert my stumpjumper to rigid fork?
Yes you can a 1 1/8th fork that's suspension correct height should do a good job 🤷
@@lovecycling193 My 1997 Rockhopper A1 Comp's frame has a few hairline cracks on the steering tube. I'm searching for a '97 Stumpjumper M2 or S-works M2frame to replace it. Do you know if the Rockhopper's parts/components will work properly on a Stumpy or S-works? The new frame will be the same size as the old.
@@B.E.C.K. as for parts between the Rock hopper to stumpy, you might find the seat post is a different diameter as back then seat posts came in many many sizes! But wheels BB and steerer were all pretty much standard on lots of frames 1 1/8th was industry standard for years with mainly Klein Cannondale etc how likes to push the boundaries having different standard's
I'm not a girl!!! You're not coming off road now.......
Girl?
@@lovecycling193 you know what I mean 😂😂
@@boshebosh9269 I do now you jogged my memory lol