While Umineko goes out of its' way to mention Schrodinger's Cat, Higurashi does so in a more subtle way. Since the GHD buries the village along with any evidence (similar to the Rokkenjima explosion incident) the idea of a "cat box" somewhat stands (even though characters like Ooishi are outsiders). I think that's why Rika, the true protagonist, is often equated to a cat.
I think that in Umineko is used in a better way since every fragment leads to the almost the same outcome, i.e. everybody on the island dying with only ange being left out from the catbox. The difference between them is only Eva surviving or not, but in either way Eva keeps the catbox closed since she doesn't tell the truth to anybody. In Higurashi instead we have often different actors in the different future and in the end Rika leaves the catbox alive. The catbox there is used as an expedient because Rika is being trapped in there, but its core principle is not totally respected since it is possible to open the catbox from the inside (in Umineko you can't, since everything has already happened)
@@Becix157 the main difference is that higurashi uses parallel worlds while umineko uses fiction. Eva always survives the Rokkenjima murders, all the games are retellings of the tale rather than alternative realities. The reason she dies in the first two was that the first two bottles were written by the culprit before they could put their plan in motion so they while they did know the game's rules they had no idea of what could be the outcome.
@@npc6817 i know, that's why I'm saying that i feel umineko's catbox more true to the schrodinger paradox itself. Because out of the schrodinger paradox the world itself exists, while inside the catbox of rokkenjima many different realities can co-exists but they cannot influence the real world (since they are mostly tales hiding the truth) Instead in higurashi what happens in each episode, since they are alternate realities, everything reflects upon the real world. For example the arcs when Oiishi survives or when he dies (Minagoroshi) are pretty different, and the final resolution (Matsuribayashi) totally changes everything. But this is because in higurashi the catbox is not such a central theme
This is very true! However the conceptualization of the murder scenarios was likely Kodaka's handiwork, as he was the main creative force behind the game - either that or it was a collaborative effort between the two of them (along with other staff), so while Kitayama gets the credit for actually charting out and penning the specifics and nitty-gritty details of the murders (and rightfully so), Kodaka still remains a significant contributing factor, creatively speaking.
I can't even begin to explain how annoyed I've been at VNs and TH-camrs using the PopSci definition of Schrodinger's cat. It's rare that someone actually gets the meaning correct. I'm glad you did here. I was hesitant to even click on the video because I was expecting the same tired misunderstanding of it.
Guys please be careful while reading the comments especially if you're still reading Umineko because some of the "spoilers" may not seem big but it's probably for the best to not know outside info.
Shouldn't you be laughing at their pitiful knowledge, spoiling and expounding upon Umineko for the looks of rage and excruciation the new viewers will have?
I feel like umineko is intriguing in the way it takes the thought experiment and pushes it to the next level , transcending the physical into the epistemological realm of conceptual uncertainty , and the metanarratives play a role in constructing the catbox of roken island.
Oh fun! I have a friend who's triggered at the mention of the Cat because he hates the 'pop' version of it we see often nowadays. And I didn't expect to know every entry on the choice list, even the final honorary mention -- Great choices, and great explanation!
Great video! Haven't seen a lot of in-depth analyses of VN themes like this. Would love to see your take on time travel, specifically time looping, in VNs; since that seems to be an oft-repeated theme as well.
SciADV sounds like a gigachad Great video essay. I'm a science person and indeed I feel Schrödinger's cat is overused. But still, some of them have genius uses of it like that one in Danganronpa.
Not only VNs but I noticed it in many light novels for explaining stuff like in To Aru Majutsu no Index to explain the Espers super natural powers abilities. Since the early 2010s, the cat explanation has fallen out of favor.
Until the moment you clicked on it, it was simultaneously a ToToNo video and not a ToToNo video. Only after you clicked it did it become not a ToToNo video.
I'm a little sad that there wasn't more YOU and ME and HER A Love Story discussion considering best girl Aoi Mukou was in the thumbnail. Interesting video though.
Spoilers for Zero Escape The whole deal is kinda my favorite plushie when it comes to Zero Escape, that I need to hold, otherwise I'll be too scared to watch xD. I just cant comprehend the idea, that my favorite characters are getting killed and all kinds of other gruesome things. That part still worked out fine in 999, but totally got destroyed in Virtues last reward. In Zero Time Dillemma its basically non existent and it becomes an interesting way how we perceive Akane and her actions. The thought of Sigma still waiting for his best friend at the end, not knowing she has found a new way of life and won't return to him, him being trapped in a body that isnt truly his, destined to die in only a few years, completly and uttetly alone, only surrounded by equally destroyed people... that fucking kills me. So yeah what I'm trying to say is: Akane is always right, there is only one outcome, no other dimensions and Quark, Tenmyouji, both Sigmas, Luna, Kyle and a few others still exist, dont ask me how, thats just how it is LET ME BE HAPPY ;-;
what video game/series is the character in the thumbnail from? ive seen it before and was planning on watching a play through but i got locked out of my other acc which had that playlist saved and i don't remember the name
While Umineko goes out of its' way to mention Schrodinger's Cat, Higurashi does so in a more subtle way. Since the GHD buries the village along with any evidence (similar to the Rokkenjima explosion incident) the idea of a "cat box" somewhat stands (even though characters like Ooishi are outsiders). I think that's why Rika, the true protagonist, is often equated to a cat.
Interesting parallel I never really considered.
I think that in Umineko is used in a better way since every fragment leads to the almost the same outcome, i.e. everybody on the island dying with only ange being left out from the catbox. The difference between them is only Eva surviving or not, but in either way Eva keeps the catbox closed since she doesn't tell the truth to anybody.
In Higurashi instead we have often different actors in the different future and in the end Rika leaves the catbox alive. The catbox there is used as an expedient because Rika is being trapped in there, but its core principle is not totally respected since it is possible to open the catbox from the inside (in Umineko you can't, since everything has already happened)
@@Becix157 i disagree
@@Becix157 the main difference is that higurashi uses parallel worlds while umineko uses fiction.
Eva always survives the Rokkenjima murders, all the games are retellings of the tale rather than alternative realities.
The reason she dies in the first two was that the first two bottles were written by the culprit before they could put their plan in motion so they while they did know the game's rules they had no idea of what could be the outcome.
@@npc6817 i know, that's why I'm saying that i feel umineko's catbox more true to the schrodinger paradox itself.
Because out of the schrodinger paradox the world itself exists, while inside the catbox of rokkenjima many different realities can co-exists but they cannot influence the real world (since they are mostly tales hiding the truth)
Instead in higurashi what happens in each episode, since they are alternate realities, everything reflects upon the real world. For example the arcs when Oiishi survives or when he dies (Minagoroshi) are pretty different, and the final resolution (Matsuribayashi) totally changes everything.
But this is because in higurashi the catbox is not such a central theme
Fun fact, the murders in danganronpa v3 were actually all written by Takekuni Kitayama, a mystery novel writer who also wrote Danganronpa kirigiri.
This is very true! However the conceptualization of the murder scenarios was likely Kodaka's handiwork, as he was the main creative force behind the game - either that or it was a collaborative effort between the two of them (along with other staff), so while Kitayama gets the credit for actually charting out and penning the specifics and nitty-gritty details of the murders (and rightfully so), Kodaka still remains a significant contributing factor, creatively speaking.
I can't even begin to explain how annoyed I've been at VNs and TH-camrs using the PopSci definition of Schrodinger's cat. It's rare that someone actually gets the meaning correct. I'm glad you did here. I was hesitant to even click on the video because I was expecting the same tired misunderstanding of it.
4:32 Im glad you referred to the Miazora Fine days one, Schrodinger's pun Hinami uses is so her I love ot
Guys please be careful while reading the comments especially if you're still reading Umineko because some of the "spoilers" may not seem big but it's probably for the best to not know outside info.
Shouldn't you be laughing at their pitiful knowledge, spoiling and expounding upon Umineko for the looks of rage and excruciation the new viewers will have?
I feel like umineko is intriguing in the way it takes the thought experiment and pushes it to the next level , transcending the physical into the epistemological realm of conceptual uncertainty , and the metanarratives play a role in constructing the catbox of roken island.
Your writing is exceptional! Simply listening to you is such a delight.
Thanks for the support! The scripting is by far the most time consuming part of these videos so I'm glad you find it worthwhile!
Oh fun! I have a friend who's triggered at the mention of the Cat because he hates the 'pop' version of it we see often nowadays. And I didn't expect to know every entry on the choice list, even the final honorary mention -- Great choices, and great explanation!
Great video! Haven't seen a lot of in-depth analyses of VN themes like this. Would love to see your take on time travel, specifically time looping, in VNs; since that seems to be an oft-repeated theme as well.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the recommendation! It does get me thinking...
SciADV sounds like a gigachad
Great video essay.
I'm a science person and indeed I feel Schrödinger's cat is overused. But still, some of them have genius uses of it like that one in Danganronpa.
Your script writing is so tight and immaculate. Loved it❣️
I try my best to keep things concise/un-rambly.
Kimi to Kanojo to Kanojo no Koi is great.
Definitely worth playing through.
I love your channel, please continue with these visual novel videos❤️❤️❤️❤️
Good watch. Looking forward to more content from you
I was lowkey waiting for one in SubaHibi with all it philosophy talk but that is probably why the cat isn't there
Not only VNs but I noticed it in many light novels for explaining stuff like in To Aru Majutsu no Index to explain the Espers super natural powers abilities. Since the early 2010s, the cat explanation has fallen out of favor.
4:13 that info-dump lmao
I think Island gave the best interpretation of Schrodingers cat. Plus that game is just a damn masterpiece and the best experience I've ever had.
When i see the cover i thought it is a totono video,but still thx for uploading
Until the moment you clicked on it, it was simultaneously a ToToNo video and not a ToToNo video. Only after you clicked it did it become not a ToToNo video.
Seems I finished playing VLR just in time to watch this video without fear of spoilers :D
thanks for the content broski
Thanks for supporting!
I saw it in Myriad Colors Phantom and Cat in the box as well.
I'm a little sad that there wasn't more YOU and ME and HER A Love Story discussion considering best girl Aoi Mukou was in the thumbnail. Interesting video though.
Please convey more vn rilayed things!!
Spoilers for Zero Escape
The whole deal is kinda my favorite plushie when it comes to Zero Escape, that I need to hold, otherwise I'll be too scared to watch xD. I just cant comprehend the idea, that my favorite characters are getting killed and all kinds of other gruesome things. That part still worked out fine in 999, but totally got destroyed in Virtues last reward. In Zero Time Dillemma its basically non existent and it becomes an interesting way how we perceive Akane and her actions. The thought of Sigma still waiting for his best friend at the end, not knowing she has found a new way of life and won't return to him, him being trapped in a body that isnt truly his, destined to die in only a few years, completly and uttetly alone, only surrounded by equally destroyed people... that fucking kills me. So yeah what I'm trying to say is: Akane is always right, there is only one outcome, no other dimensions and Quark, Tenmyouji, both Sigmas, Luna, Kyle and a few others still exist, dont ask me how, thats just how it is LET ME BE HAPPY ;-;
I love how the comment section is screaming: Umineko
These vns are great and it's art...you can't go a gaint this with a valid reason
Is there a visual novel without parallel world's like umineko??
O would like to read it...
what video game/series is the character in the thumbnail from? ive seen it before and was planning on watching a play through but i got locked out of my other acc which had that playlist saved and i don't remember the name
Fuck it, We need a VN where we date various cat girls before condemning them to a box to see if they die or not
What’s the cover from?
Visual Novels. Have they killed Scrödingers Cat yet.
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Well if you don't open the box the cat will die 100%. You monster.
Its there a visual novel without world's