So, I did a bit of digging on the "second largest mall in Canada" claim. It's been repeated in a lot of news articles about the mall (example: montreal.citynews.ca/2024/09/03/royalmount-mall-montreal-opening/) but it is simply not true. Royalmount phase 1 which just opened is 824,000-square-feet. It's not the second largest mall in Canada... it's not even second largest in Montreal! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_shopping_centres_in_Canada Royalmount is not even in the largest 40 malls in Canada. I understand that they have future plans to add more shopping and residential buildings. But as of today, calling it 2nd largest is straight up false advertising.
I see a foreclose rent sign and the bank taking it in their hands and than there is no mall and just empty plot of land sitting vacant like the bluebonnets here in Montreal used to be
With what we seen happen to Rockland's over the years, once a beautifull shopping mall, turned into a dump with Park ex non buying customers. Place look like UN but from third world countries. Immigration killed it, they will do the same with this one. Next to it you have ville saint laurent where whites are a minority and most resident are form muslim countries. This place will be a major dump within a years
Would you have been happier if they replaced the A&W with a fine dining restaurant and the window with a giant aquarium containing endangered species of fish?
I agree with what you said, except I never understand the argument of ''shouldn't we trying to fix the roads instead of buildings malls?''. I don't see how how they are at all related. Roads = municipal jurisdiction and tax payer money. A mall is a private venture with private money. We are not paying for Royalmount. I am not much of a shopper, but I suppose I would say that billions in private investment for a ''lifestyle centre'' is better than the wasteland that area was before. At least it fits into the urban landscape pretty well with good metro connectivity. It's not a mall with giant surface parking everywhere like Marché Central or Galleries D'Anjou.
How many hours and dollars the cities of TMR and MTL spent on planning this site is probably what he meant. You know what a "study" cost since ages? And it's not over yet.
You know the idea is "sharing the wealth" not "making the rich richer". City mergers was one tool to share the wealth (or costs) When you think of TMR and Westmount not paying their fare share (no homeless, not migrant welcoming, etc.)
The golden age of shopping malls in both Canada & the US were from the 1960's to the early 2000's. Starting in the late 2000's & early 2010's, is when north American malls started to go on a steady decline, never to recover like it used to be during the hey days. Times have changed.
@@baffinsansterreyet the advent of social media is killing society and community values on a greater scale… give me pre iphone era anytime. Today’s kids are over stimulated by stupidity online and adults with low critical thinking are being brainwashed by “independent” media online and conspiracy videos. So 🤷♂️
Just a heads-up, the mall is now open, but it's far from being complete. They just finished phase 1 out of 19 last week, and about 85% of the building/activities are still unfinished. There's no rec room, VIP area, aquarium, concert space, or outdoor sections yet-they still need to be built. If this is really only 15% of the mall then its looking promising in my opinion
@@WealthEngineering 170+ stores 60+ cafés and restaurants 50% of brands new to Quebec or never-seen-before concepts VIP movie house Canada’s first 100% carbon-neutral mixed-use development Green spaces with over 450,000 trees, shrubs, plants and perennials 100+ charging stations for electric vehicles Energy loop that reduces GHG emissions by 93% All services within a maximum 15-minute walk A skybridge connects the site to De la Savane metro station Linked to the city’s bike path network 500 bike parking spaces
Only when you get outside in the backyard, outlet mall mostly outdoor but this one all the stores are in side, outside are for patio and small park only in the summer.
@@joenroute9646ce serait peut être le moment d'élever le niveau...non ? On en a des gens ( architectes...designers...ingénieurs...) capables. Why not ?
I visited the mall and I can say that from outside it is visible that the architecture was not considered în this project. Normally such a construction must have a unitary design to be attractive, a shape to remember. Unfortunately there are only some pieces gathered in a place. No artistic signature. It is a pity because it is a new construction and it lost the opportunity to be an iconic mall for Montreal.
Look around Montreal and all you see is brown bricks. Montreal is not known for beautiful architecture (putting it mildly). Look at the rows of uninspired rows of new town houses AND houses and that is Montreal. Seen Toronto skylike lately? Or Calgary?
@@MandM_IMO this is why this Mall was a good opportunity to improve the things a little, but a lost opportunity regarding design but also location. Hopefully at least the luxury brands will have enough sales to continue to stay there, which is not sure at all.
Maybe the concept of "hostile architecture" is not something you're familiar with but from what I could see clearly this mall implements elements of this concept. This space appears to deliberately de-incentivize people's presence unless they're in this location to spend money. That's why there are pretty much no seats on sight: it's designed for people to get in there, buy stuff before they get too tired and get out... If people want to stay in there longer but are getting tired? Then they're strongly incentivized to find a restaurant place in which they'll spend even more whereas all they ever wanted was to have a seat. The mall is also connected to the metro so it's easy to imagine how accessible that makes it to potential homeless people and clearly they want to avoid that as much as possible. I'll take the wild guess that I'll never step foot in that place, not even once in my entire life!
We already have Holt Renfrew Ogilvy on Saint-Catherine St, right beside the Apple store. 250,000 square feet dedicated to luxury shopping. Combined with Harry Rosen and the smaller luxury stores close by, I'd argue it offers a much better shopping experience than what we get to see in this video.
@abdoulm.sorofino2642 Namur surroundings is freaking non-place. Shocking to pass from say, Laurier Station to Namur. Namur has great station art but once you step outside it's parking lots and the highway....
No we don’t need more big apartment building to ruin Montreal, deport people who don’t like our way of life first, less immigration and then the housing cost will drop and then you will have enough money to go to that mall that we needed…I prefer to have our FIRST luxury mall than more people who hates our way of life…
@abdoulm.sorofino2642 I see that you are one of the few who sees the bigger picture here. I've lived in many countries so I understand clearly what you are trying to convey. The problem in Montreal in my opinion is that too often they've tried to create points of interest in areas where the concentration of people who would adhere to these kinds of projects are not really local. Market research is often done by the people pushing the project and they expect the project to radiate and that it will attract people from the outside. In a lot of other countries, these points of interest often grow organically in populated areas or areas where certain types of customers aggregate. Over time it grows and it transforms but it always stays connected to the beat of where they are located and it becomes a thriving community. Dix30 is a beautiful exemple of a failed experiment. People go with their car, then they leave, sometimes they'll eat a little something but most will try to get out before traffic becomes too intense. Even worse, the food hall that costs 70M$ to build at Promenades St-Bruno that was a colossal failure and it could have not been less predictable given its location vs the local core market. Royal mount could make sense if the city of TMR had not tried to dismantle the residential part of the project. And one can wonder why they did when they already green lighted thousands of affordable units just a km from the site. If you want to get more affordable housing, don't go against promoters, go against Airbnb.
By 2025 half the stored will be closed and the novelty will have worn off. It will be an empty shell by next summer. An absolute waste of space and resources. Typical Montreal.
That shopping center was designed to be built before the pandemic, market has changed now, i give it 2-3 years tops, nobody has the money anymore for this luxury market.
There are no charts/maps and I found few signs anywhere. While leaving on Friday I found dozens of workers in the parking area to exit as there was no signage and no one knew one/two way lanes. The A & W was super packed & airless, there were no napkins or condiments. For me the food court area is the best part. Tuesday was the soft opening, Thursday was the official opening. I was not impressed. They shouldn't have opened yet but due to economics I understand why the retailers that were open decided to open.
To me this looks massively DISAPPOINTING. A greatly missed opportunity in 2 main ways. 1. It looks generic. Nothing high end or special about it. They could have done a ton better. Look at the Istinye, Zorlu shopping malls in Turkey, for example. The best part of this new Montreal mall was walking back outside. 2. This obsession with single level outdoor car parks that waste space. We have a housing issue in Canada and a multi level underground carpark would be way better, and develop all that carpark area into surrounding mid-high density housing. Would elevate the entire area!
it's a let-down. They could have gone for opulent design for a change. Instead it looks like an outdated mall retrofitted. The decors don't make sense. The pavement outside is an eyesore. Too much useless bulky stuff and too much space eaten up by bad design. I don't know why mtl sucks at this. the city of design is not designing.
Last Sat. we were at this mall. The restos starts to open at 11am, which is a bit late. We ended up at A&W, very small space. We waited for a long time to pay & people were disappointed . The problem was the internet connection, the cashier said !!! OMG!...That's why my daughter's fone was also disconnected! Another thing, the mall should make a signage hanging for the directions where the stores are located so people will know where to go just like in Eaton Center, downtown , Montreal ! I still prefer Downtown plenty of stores to shop!
Hi! It reminds me these underground malls in Toronto, where everything is big (to not say GIANT in size), but inside it's the actually same stores that we have in smaller zone without anything much more. Personally, well, for how it is right now I much prefer going to Gallerie D'Anjou and even Place Versailles than there. Pretty much everything that we see in Royalmount are available in one of these two malls, and these two malls we can go to all the stores in only one after noon without being overcrowded.
As a recent tourist to Montreal, I don't see why I would make the trek all the way out here. I was very impressed with Ste. Catharine and the underground stores. So much to see and so close to hotels and transportation. Malls have pretty much died here in the States and I really only venture out to our mall in WNY to go to the Apple store. Canada has nice downtowns with destinations. That Orange Julep place looked cool. He have (had?) a chain called Orange Julius. I wonder whether they are related. But thanks for exploring another corner of Montreal.
@@alexandrapoirier7301 Cool. I'll have to try out this iconic place once. CapitaineMontreal also did a video on the place and I could see the menu. Just wonder whether it is walkable from the metro station.
used to work there before our lease was terminated and building demolished to build this. Traffic was bad enough back then. I cannot imagine what traffic will be when/if they put up the residential towers.
@@RigoStar Did you see the food court hall extension they did at Promenades St-Bruno. It is the poster child for the local promoters who don't do their market research properly or promoters who convinced pension plan managers that it's a "Great idea" because they are getting greased by the promoters.
Merci de ce vidéo, c'est intéressant de voir ce nouveau centre d'achats. ¨Ça fait juste deux ou trois jours que j'entends parler de ça. Depuis des mois, je passais à côté du chantier, mais je ne savais pas ce que c'était. D'accord avec toi sur une chose. Tout ce que nous voyons là était déjà disponible ailleurs à Montréal. Est-ce que ce sera mieux quand le projet sera complet, de regrouper tous ces commerces sous un même toit ? Donnons la chance au coureur, nous saurons seulement alors ce que sera vraiment Royalmont.
thank you for the vidéo. One of my friend wanted me to go there. I dont like shopping and shopping centre, and after seen this , well for sure I am not going .(sorry for my english I am french). I like you ❤
Not that you really would know this because you are so young, This is NOT Montréal's first luxury mall. "Les cours Mont-Royal" - built in the 1980s - was the first. Will you correct and apologize? I doubt it.
This is awesome for Montréal. Over the years many of my friends would normally go to Toronto or New York to find these types of luxury stores. nice to see Mount Royal, QC finally can offer that for Montréalers
Have you heard of holt renfrew in montreal? They have all luxury brands. People are just cluesless and think that luxury brand stores never existed in Montréal before lol
I think what some people fail to understand is that this opening just like any other malls in the world would always opt for that soft opening. This is not by any means a “grand” opening. They can’t wait for all their contractors/concessionaires to be complete 100% all at the same time. Because they would lose money by then. To start their income, they would start the operations even though a lot are still unfinished. Thats why I myself is not too hyped on going here just yet knowing and expecting that it’s just a soft opening. Might wait until the end of the year.
Thanks for the tour, I guess I don't have to go now.... I looked on Google Earth, the 4 nearest malls are all around 3 km away: Rockland, Cavendish, Place Vertu and Côte-des-Neiges. My guess is not all of those malls will survive.
Cavendish Mall is not what it used to be. And as for Cote-des-Neiges, it might actually be torn down for housing. We used to go to Dollar Cinema and the owner was bought by a bigger company so he unfortunately closed. But I had never been through the day time but at night it was always empty besides the movie theater.
I asked AI about "boring with a big L": In social media and casual conversation, saying something is a "big L" typically indicates a substantial defeat or setback, often used humorously or self-deprecatingly. Therefore, "boring with a big L" implies that the boredom is exceptionally unappealing or frustrating, highlighting the negative experience even further
I am not happy that COACH is there, because they remove the skin on cows that are still alive. HOPE everybody sign the petition to stop this on PETA. Tysm
It looks pretty much just like any other mall in Montreal. It was unpopular before it opened, it's enjoying a novelty effect right now, 4-5 years from now it'll be run down and hanging by a thread. How's an H&M luxury anyway?
Plenty of space at the parking lot? Here's why: $5 per 30 minutes. The first 30 minutes is free. Afterthat, $5 for each 1/2 hour. In other words, 3 hours of parking at RoyalMount will cost the shopper $25! Rip-off!
I don't understand, there's already a luxury mall close to it, the Rockland center, there used to be a Harry Rosen store there. Another one is Les Cours Mont-Royal yet it's almost a dead mall now, they had to reuse the space to put some silly giant arcade games. E-commerce destroyed the malls... I understand they started the project in 2014 but still e-commerce was already the big thing. Even Les Ailes de la Mode had to close and this was before e-commerce. And then covid and work at home trend happened followed by inflation. They should have aborted this project. The only explanation I have is "sunk cost fallacy".
A very large shopping center, many luxury shops, mixed with ordinary shops. The restaurants in this center, the prices are quite expensive... It is worth noting that if you want to get to this place by car, it is not easy, the worst thing is to pay for parking. Under half an hour: Free, from an hour or more... have to pay....
What do they know that we dont know? Is there a TGV Station going there? It looks and feels like an Airport...Maybe a shuttle to the Airport?..the Marriott Hotel at Dorval Airport Terminal already already has a Metro Station ..
Sorry I don’t agree with this luxury mall. What about the number of people on the streets that keep increasing. Poverty and the price of food and rents. I’m sorry it’s mind boggling knowing that so many people are struggling. So let’s continue to offer rich people big malls and million-dollar condos. Let’s keep our orange cones and people hospital emergencies overcrowded for ordinary people who can’t afford private doctors. It’s unbelievable.
To be fair this is not built by the municipal or provincial governments but with private investors. You can have both. But to be honest I don’t think this mall will be a success.
You were right next to Dunn's and didn't even suggest it :( As for Royal Mount, I don't see why you would come to De la Savanne rather than go downtown. If you're already in the city St. Catherine's has most of those places and I think quite of few of them are part of the underground city as well. If you're on the north shore, you can always go to Carrefour Laval. I'm pretty sure Longueuil has there own big mall too. What I can see is that they tried to do something like Centrolpolis in Laval by having a large communal space outside where they'll be able to do events, and maybe have like food trucks or stalls or something.
What's the point? If you like big clean malls there is already Fairview, Galeries d'Anjous, Rockland and others. Maybe for people who live within the area, but this mall will probably be mostly empty
You are 100% right. We went there and we could stay for 30 min max. we paid for the parking and left as quickly as possible its over crowded we didn't find a place to sit.... the ppl like they've never seen a shopping center before that was wired.! It's reminded me when we lived in duabi for 2.5 years and could finish the duabi mall ... this mall is just a luxury brands mall. This is not for all ppl. We can only go there to watch not to shop
I live near this mall, just a walk away. I went there with my friends and it was amazing. I dont know if this is a product of gentrification because there are condos being built everywhere, where I live.
bet on it. For decades there have been efforts to gentrify cote-des-neiges but with much failure, particularly around the Van Horne between darlington and Wilderton areas. Always something going wrong. Which I'm chuckling at - enough of the city is gentrified, thus rendering many priced out of any housing in this city.
With brick and mortor and malls across north America struggling and closing how do the developers and landlord's think they can buck the trend with a boring mall ?
The audio acoustics are terrible in this mall. Perhaps too much open space but there is a problem. Constant loud background drone. On the positive, it's nice and convenient to get too - great metro access (perhaps the most accessible mall). The fact that 2/3 of stores were closed was disappointing. Most of the higher end stores are still closed. There are no tables and chairs to eat food - are you supposed to eat your A&W or Poulet Rouge standing up?
Boring with a big "L". I'm still laughing 😂 I know the biggest mall in Canada is the infamous Edmonton Mall. When I worked in student exchanges in Mexico I had a student from Edmonton. He described his hometown as the most boring in the world. "Our main attraction is a mall." Malls are closing in the US but in Latin American cities they're very popular. There are several within walking distance of my apartment in São Paulo.
I don't know how you came up on my feed but thank you for this I was about to head out there... Maybe not so much now.. That's like you say in a few years maybe when some of the orange cones are removed from my ph u cking streets I might adventure out there...
I was there on this same day and couldn’t understand the reason it exists. A luxury mall with paid parking and access to the metro with no stores. Who even goes to malls anymore?
Dan you should make one of the Cincinnati Mall the mall is semi-abandoned because there are at least 5 stores left but they don't want to leave praying that it will resurge in popularity. Plus a tip the camera's don't work and a group of TH-camrs where able to go see inside
Who are the folks in the mural on the outside of the building? An homage to the settlers who devastated the native, local population in true QC fashion I'm sure
I agree with you. I haven't gone yet and don't plan on going until everything is fully open. Just seems like a waste of time otherwise. Luxury shopping is also not my thing.
The mall is private money... of course the city has to connect roads, etc. No trees and gardens...similar to other malls in the area....they charge for parking to discourage driving to the place...
People who says that it would be better to invest money in the roads, missing the point, that Royal Mount is private company, nothing to do with Tax payers money, new shopping center meens new jobs for local peopel. My only disappointment is location, since I dont use public trasnport, that part of traffic is something I always avoid. I could see in video, that they have big Zara store, Mango, what is very atractive stores, also big H&M....and I would want to go to shopping mall like this, but I am not ready to get trough that traffic jam. And for Luxary shopping I would choose Ogilvy on Saint-Catherine street. But beautiful stores are making our city more beautiful, so thats the positive part.
The opening seems promising, but common yall. However phases there may be, the money must come from somewhere, be it the worker's pocket, the shop owners, or the taxpayers. But, aren't they all the same? For the love of poutine! Do not hate that big orange sphere thing!
Dan Vineberg Hello! Thanks btw, I'm waiting for the 60 Restaurants to be open inside that Mall otherwise, no no no, to pay 5.00 for parking after 1/2 hour?? NO WAY! at least Not me... I think that the guy was saying '' Right now it is boring with a big L '' I think he meant ''Loser'' in other words that the Mall it won't last long. I'm watching your video and thinking, It doesn't look anything spectacular or different. the only thing that captured my attention is OLIVE GOURMANDO, It could be the Olive Garden restaurant ? Just because of the french thing in Montreal that's why the title? I Hope so! Have a nice week.😁🤣
Montreal is known world wide for being a fashion city , innivative and creative. Fashions scholls now international from Montreal . Many world designers are located in Montreal and even Taylor Swift wears Montreal s designer clothes . As for exemple , SSENSE boutique in the Old Montreal attracts people from New York and all over North america . I notoced you something make comments with checking the facts.
So, I did a bit of digging on the "second largest mall in Canada" claim. It's been repeated in a lot of news articles about the mall (example: montreal.citynews.ca/2024/09/03/royalmount-mall-montreal-opening/) but it is simply not true.
Royalmount phase 1 which just opened is 824,000-square-feet. It's not the second largest mall in Canada... it's not even second largest in Montreal!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_shopping_centres_in_Canada
Royalmount is not even in the largest 40 malls in Canada. I understand that they have future plans to add more shopping and residential buildings. But as of today, calling it 2nd largest is straight up false advertising.
Are they building a grocery store in there?
@@MrUnsuspiciousName cinéma and condos
2nd largest in city limits. Mall in Laval, Brossard etc. does not count.
Thats how it works today, bullshitting people to get them to come
looked pretty small, but maybe with phase 2 it will be big enough to make top 40? lol
I give it five years, last store open will be a Dollarama
I see a foreclose rent sign and the bank taking it in their hands and than there is no mall and just empty plot of land sitting vacant like the bluebonnets here in Montreal used to be
With what we seen happen to Rockland's over the years, once a beautifull shopping mall, turned into a dump with Park ex non buying customers. Place look like UN but from third world countries. Immigration killed it, they will do the same with this one. Next to it you have ville saint laurent where whites are a minority and most resident are form muslim countries. This place will be a major dump within a years
Everyone walk without bags, guess nothing affordable for that type of clientel
That is my feeling as well.
5 years!!!???
Dude, I give this 5 months....by February 2025, like you said, the dollarama will be the only store left.
That special place where you can buy Balenciaga clothes, then eat A&W fast food while staring at a highway.
Would you have been happier if they replaced the A&W with a fine dining restaurant and the window with a giant aquarium containing endangered species of fish?
@@frankeinstein719 Lol that would definitely be more consistent with their "prestige mall" ambitions...
@@hdufort yes but I don’t think Montrealers can handle this level of prestige
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Remember when Balenciaga had children in BDSM in their ads?! Evil Lefties always at it.
I agree with what you said, except I never understand the argument of ''shouldn't we trying to fix the roads instead of buildings malls?''. I don't see how how they are at all related. Roads = municipal jurisdiction and tax payer money. A mall is a private venture with private money. We are not paying for Royalmount. I am not much of a shopper, but I suppose I would say that billions in private investment for a ''lifestyle centre'' is better than the wasteland that area was before. At least it fits into the urban landscape pretty well with good metro connectivity. It's not a mall with giant surface parking everywhere like Marché Central or Galleries D'Anjou.
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it was financed with private money...do people tell you how to spend YOUR MONEY
How many hours and dollars the cities of TMR and MTL spent on planning this site is probably what he meant. You know what a "study" cost since ages? And it's not over yet.
You know the idea is "sharing the wealth" not "making the rich richer".
City mergers was one tool to share the wealth (or costs)
When you think of TMR and Westmount not paying their fare share (no homeless, not migrant welcoming, etc.)
@@lunarmodule6419
What would you consider Montreal-Est as it was the only Francophone-majority municipality to opt for independence?
Other than Gucci and Louis Vuitton I don’t see luxury. I mean La Vie En Rose? Occitane, Dynamite? Those shops are everywhere.
The golden age of shopping malls in both Canada & the US were from the 1960's to the early 2000's. Starting in the late 2000's & early 2010's, is when north American malls started to go on a steady decline, never to recover like it used to be during the hey days. Times have changed.
iPhone came in 2007, eCommerce killed mall business plan. Not a big lost for society if you ask me.
@@baffinsansterreyet the advent of social media is killing society and community values on a greater scale… give me pre iphone era anytime. Today’s kids are over stimulated by stupidity online and adults with low critical thinking are being brainwashed by “independent” media online and conspiracy videos. So 🤷♂️
Just a heads-up, the mall is now open, but it's far from being complete. They just finished phase 1 out of 19 last week, and about 85% of the building/activities are still unfinished. There's no rec room, VIP area, aquarium, concert space, or outdoor sections yet-they still need to be built. If this is really only 15% of the mall then its looking promising in my opinion
Cinema not there yet.
Are you saying the actual mall right now is only phase 1? The mall will be bigger?
@@robertrobitaille320 Everymall must have a cinema if there isn't one it isn't a mall in my opinion
1 out of 19 phase? bruh... are you for real?
@@WealthEngineering 170+ stores
60+ cafés and restaurants
50% of brands new to Quebec or never-seen-before concepts
VIP movie house
Canada’s first 100% carbon-neutral mixed-use development
Green spaces with over 450,000 trees, shrubs, plants and perennials
100+ charging stations for electric vehicles
Energy loop that reduces GHG emissions by 93%
All services within a maximum 15-minute walk
A skybridge connects the site to De la Savane metro station
Linked to the city’s bike path network
500 bike parking spaces
Its a nice mall but the design of this place is giving an outlet mall vibe rather than a luxury mall in my opinion.
what’s nice lol the random couple of plants?
You're right
Only when you get outside in the backyard, outlet mall mostly outdoor but this one all the stores are in side, outside are for patio and small park only in the summer.
on est en Amérique du Nord. Pas en Asie ou en Europe. Le design et l'architecture c'est pas notre point fort
@@joenroute9646ce serait peut être le moment d'élever le niveau...non ? On en a des gens ( architectes...designers...ingénieurs...) capables. Why not ?
I visited the mall and I can say that from outside it is visible that the architecture was not considered în this project. Normally such a construction must have a unitary design to be attractive, a shape to remember. Unfortunately there are only some pieces gathered in a place. No artistic signature. It is a pity because it is a new construction and it lost the opportunity to be an iconic mall for Montreal.
Look around Montreal and all you see is brown bricks. Montreal is not known for beautiful architecture (putting it mildly). Look at the rows of uninspired rows of new town houses AND houses and that is Montreal. Seen Toronto skylike lately? Or Calgary?
@@MandM_IMO this is why this Mall was a good opportunity to improve the things a little, but a lost opportunity regarding design but also location. Hopefully at least the luxury brands will have enough sales to continue to stay there, which is not sure at all.
Maybe the concept of "hostile architecture" is not something you're familiar with but from what I could see clearly this mall implements elements of this concept. This space appears to deliberately de-incentivize people's presence unless they're in this location to spend money. That's why there are pretty much no seats on sight: it's designed for people to get in there, buy stuff before they get too tired and get out... If people want to stay in there longer but are getting tired? Then they're strongly incentivized to find a restaurant place in which they'll spend even more whereas all they ever wanted was to have a seat. The mall is also connected to the metro so it's easy to imagine how accessible that makes it to potential homeless people and clearly they want to avoid that as much as possible. I'll take the wild guess that I'll never step foot in that place, not even once in my entire life!
I agree with every word.
glad to see someone talk about hostile architecture. were seeing it more and more
In my opinion, the best part of the video is the Orange Julip lol
The julep is trash.
Julep is overrated, expensive af. Royalmount is just fancier version of carrefour laval
Orange Julep may be pricey but worth it.
Love the big orange! Still awesome after all these years, way more fun than Royalmount.
Soon to be a ghost town!
Nice review. It will be a great place to do some serious walking in the winter months.
Exactly what i thought . Get those winter steps in !
We already have Holt Renfrew Ogilvy on Saint-Catherine St, right beside the Apple store. 250,000 square feet dedicated to luxury shopping. Combined with Harry Rosen and the smaller luxury stores close by, I'd argue it offers a much better shopping experience than what we get to see in this video.
True.
we need affordable housing - not luxury outdated megamalls.
@abdoulm.sorofino2642 Namur surroundings is freaking non-place. Shocking to pass from say, Laurier Station to Namur. Namur has great station art but once you step outside it's parking lots and the highway....
Glad I live next to Fabre metro Station
Apples and oranges. Private companies can build wtv they want
No we don’t need more big apartment building to ruin Montreal, deport people who don’t like our way of life first, less immigration and then the housing cost will drop and then you will have enough money to go to that mall that we needed…I prefer to have our FIRST luxury mall than more people who hates our way of life…
Affordable housing is a dream for the lefties...not gonna happen
There is so many abandonned shopping mall across the province... let's see how long this one will endure before sinking.
@abdoulm.sorofino2642 First of many don't even have malls they have thrift store locations Malls aren't that common there
@abdoulm.sorofino2642 I see that you are one of the few who sees the bigger picture here. I've lived in many countries so I understand clearly what you are trying to convey. The problem in Montreal in my opinion is that too often they've tried to create points of interest in areas where the concentration of people who would adhere to these kinds of projects are not really local. Market research is often done by the people pushing the project and they expect the project to radiate and that it will attract people from the outside. In a lot of other countries, these points of interest often grow organically in populated areas or areas where certain types of customers aggregate. Over time it grows and it transforms but it always stays connected to the beat of where they are located and it becomes a thriving community. Dix30 is a beautiful exemple of a failed experiment. People go with their car, then they leave, sometimes they'll eat a little something but most will try to get out before traffic becomes too intense. Even worse, the food hall that costs 70M$ to build at Promenades St-Bruno that was a colossal failure and it could have not been less predictable given its location vs the local core market. Royal mount could make sense if the city of TMR had not tried to dismantle the residential part of the project. And one can wonder why they did when they already green lighted thousands of affordable units just a km from the site. If you want to get more affordable housing, don't go against promoters, go against Airbnb.
By 2025 half the stored will be closed and the novelty will have worn off. It will be an empty shell by next summer. An absolute waste of space and resources. Typical Montreal.
That shopping center was designed to be built before the pandemic, market has changed now, i give it 2-3 years tops, nobody has the money anymore for this luxury market.
2-3 years??!! That is way too generous. By February 2025, half the stores will be closed and by the spring, that place will be an empty shell.
@@Delisle4 Could.
Dan, thank you for your report. You are saving my time!
There are no charts/maps and I found few signs anywhere. While leaving on Friday I found dozens of workers in the parking area to exit as there was no signage and no one knew one/two way lanes. The A & W was super packed & airless, there were no napkins or condiments. For me the food court area is the best part. Tuesday was the soft opening, Thursday was the official opening. I was not impressed. They shouldn't have opened yet but due to economics I understand why the retailers that were open decided to open.
To me this looks massively DISAPPOINTING. A greatly missed opportunity in 2 main ways.
1. It looks generic. Nothing high end or special about it. They could have done a ton better. Look at the Istinye, Zorlu shopping malls in Turkey, for example. The best part of this new Montreal mall was walking back outside.
2. This obsession with single level outdoor car parks that waste space. We have a housing issue in Canada and a multi level underground carpark would be way better, and develop all that carpark area into surrounding mid-high density housing. Would elevate the entire area!
Which will very much be condos to recoup the amount of money spent on getting the whole project off the ground.
it's a let-down. They could have gone for opulent design for a change. Instead it looks like an outdated mall retrofitted. The decors don't make sense. The pavement outside is an eyesore. Too much useless bulky stuff and too much space eaten up by bad design. I don't know why mtl sucks at this. the city of design is not designing.
Thanks a lot for sharing. Weird for a grand opening, lots of stores still close
you mean closed? or that they’re still closing?
@@Cassxowary like "not open yet". LV, Roche Bobois, etc.
Last Sat. we were at this mall. The restos starts to open at 11am, which is a bit late. We ended up at A&W, very small space. We waited for a long time to pay & people were disappointed . The problem was the internet connection, the cashier said !!! OMG!...That's why my daughter's fone was also disconnected! Another thing, the mall should make a signage hanging for the directions where the stores are located so people will know where to go just like in Eaton Center, downtown , Montreal ! I still prefer Downtown plenty of stores to shop!
Hi! It reminds me these underground malls in Toronto, where everything is big (to not say GIANT in size), but inside it's the actually same stores that we have in smaller zone without anything much more. Personally, well, for how it is right now I much prefer going to Gallerie D'Anjou and even Place Versailles than there. Pretty much everything that we see in Royalmount are available in one of these two malls, and these two malls we can go to all the stores in only one after noon without being overcrowded.
As a recent tourist to Montreal, I don't see why I would make the trek all the way out here. I was very impressed with Ste. Catharine and the underground stores. So much to see and so close to hotels and transportation. Malls have pretty much died here in the States and I really only venture out to our mall in WNY to go to the Apple store. Canada has nice downtowns with destinations. That Orange Julep place looked cool. He have (had?) a chain called Orange Julius. I wonder whether they are related. But thanks for exploring another corner of Montreal.
Orange Julep and Orange Julius are not related.
@@alexandrapoirier7301 Cool. I'll have to try out this iconic place once. CapitaineMontreal also did a video on the place and I could see the menu. Just wonder whether it is walkable from the metro station.
try their poutine!
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@@ahyodem Yes, it is. Closer to Namur station I think.
What trek? It's accessible by metro.
used to work there before our lease was terminated and building demolished to build this. Traffic was bad enough back then. I cannot imagine what traffic will be when/if they put up the residential towers.
The last time I worked in that area was 6/23/2011 for a moving company.
Ex E/// as well here. Was sad to see the move to the 40. Many memories of working at the big Swede
Never been on that end of the Metro, only as far as Guy station. Is there much there or is that the more suburban area on Montreal?
St Henri, Côte-des-Neiges, and NDG are all interesting areas
Yeah I don't go their at all
Thank you Dan for posting this video. I may go there just to see the mall, but spending any money there is doubtful
you are right !!! Oakland Mall, Miraflores Mall, Paseo Cayala in Guatemala City are so Beautiful !!
you got it :)
they should have get inspired by Oakland Mall food court extension
@@RigoStar Did you see the food court hall extension they did at Promenades St-Bruno. It is the poster child for the local promoters who don't do their market research properly or promoters who convinced pension plan managers that it's a "Great idea" because they are getting greased by the promoters.
Merci de ce vidéo, c'est intéressant de voir ce nouveau centre d'achats. ¨Ça fait juste deux ou trois jours que j'entends parler de ça. Depuis des mois, je passais à côté du chantier, mais je ne savais pas ce que c'était. D'accord avec toi sur une chose. Tout ce que nous voyons là était déjà disponible ailleurs à Montréal. Est-ce que ce sera mieux quand le projet sera complet, de regrouper tous ces commerces sous un même toit ? Donnons la chance au coureur, nous saurons seulement alors ce que sera vraiment Royalmont.
Why didn't they build the indoor water park?
Would have been so much better
thank you for the vidéo. One of my friend wanted me to go there. I dont like shopping and shopping centre, and after seen this , well for sure I am not going .(sorry for my english I am french). I like you ❤
Combien vont acheter des montres à 12000$
Not that you really would know this because you are so young, This is NOT Montréal's first luxury mall. "Les cours Mont-Royal" - built in the 1980s - was the first. Will you correct and apologize? I doubt it.
It's called interactive art installation and kids love it: "I don't know what that is.." (the fluffy poles)
This is awesome for Montréal. Over the years many of my friends would normally go to Toronto or New York to find these types of luxury stores. nice to see Mount Royal, QC finally can offer that for Montréalers
We don't need luxury shopping malls and I'm sure there's a demand for online luxury shopping experience
@@MrEufemia who are "we" ? speak for yourself, don't speak for others.
Have you heard of holt renfrew in montreal? They have all luxury brands. People are just cluesless and think that luxury brand stores never existed in Montréal before lol
@@SakuraChi-r6myou forget : Simon !!!
you and your friends are very priviliged, good for you. Most people are not. Having a luxury mall built during a housing crisis is insane lol.
Beautiful mall , definitely shopping heaven. I saw some dream boutiques. Great investment .
With Dix30 being a 15 minute REM ride from downtown, they are going to have stiff competition.
I think what some people fail to understand is that this opening just like any other malls in the world would always opt for that soft opening. This is not by any means a “grand” opening. They can’t wait for all their contractors/concessionaires to be complete 100% all at the same time. Because they would lose money by then. To start their income, they would start the operations even though a lot are still unfinished. Thats why I myself is not too hyped on going here just yet knowing and expecting that it’s just a soft opening. Might wait until the end of the year.
It is the first phase out of 19 once completed. Lets see if it goes there & when will Dollarama will open a store.
Thanks for objective review, I love your voice too and non- hype attitude👌
Thanks, Dan. You saved me a trip and time. 👍👏I would have concluded much the same as u.
Coming from a Montréalais : this is ridiculous on so many levels
Thanks for the tour, I guess I don't have to go now.... I looked on Google Earth, the 4 nearest malls are all around 3 km away: Rockland, Cavendish, Place Vertu and Côte-des-Neiges. My guess is not all of those malls will survive.
Cavendish Mall is not what it used to be. And as for Cote-des-Neiges, it might actually be torn down for housing. We used to go to Dollar Cinema and the owner was bought by a bigger company so he unfortunately closed. But I had never been through the day time but at night it was always empty besides the movie theater.
I asked AI about "boring with a big L":
In social media and casual conversation, saying something is a "big L" typically indicates a substantial defeat or setback, often used humorously or self-deprecatingly. Therefore, "boring with a big L" implies that the boredom is exceptionally unappealing or frustrating, highlighting the negative experience even further
"L" stand for loosers.
I live nearby too. I'm still unsure about this project's impact on the lives of the people live in this area but we'll see. Thanks for this video!
The area is mostly industrial.
@@shauncameron8390 the area across Decarie is not industrial.
its all the same stores you find everywhere else.... so... not interesting
I was thinking the same thing! Why??? For another Sephora and sport expert? Ok Gucci might bring people but that is the 1%
Where is the uniqueness the difference maker it's not their for me
Dan, I followed you during your travels in Mexico. Happy to see u are back in Canada.
That's true u right about the poulet rouge and why they didn't do a food court area... it's weird.
I am not happy that COACH is there, because they remove the skin on cows that are still alive. HOPE everybody sign the petition to stop this on PETA. Tysm
It looks pretty much just like any other mall in Montreal. It was unpopular before it opened, it's enjoying a novelty effect right now, 4-5 years from now it'll be run down and hanging by a thread.
How's an H&M luxury anyway?
What's gonna happen to Rockland centre?
@abdoulm.sorofino2642 It will never happen it's a rich ghetto
I used to go their nice place
@abdoulm.sorofino2642At least it has free parking!
@abdoulm.sorofino2642
It's located within TMR. Not going to happen.
I visited there last weekend. It was alright.
Thanks for doing this. Saves me from going. Nothing new at this mall and I cannot afford Gucci or Cartier.
Plenty of space at the parking lot? Here's why: $5 per 30 minutes. The first 30 minutes is free. Afterthat, $5 for each 1/2 hour. In other words, 3 hours of parking at RoyalMount will cost the shopper $25! Rip-off!
I don't understand, there's already a luxury mall close to it, the Rockland center, there used to be a Harry Rosen store there. Another one is Les Cours Mont-Royal yet it's almost a dead mall now, they had to reuse the space to put some silly giant arcade games. E-commerce destroyed the malls... I understand they started the project in 2014 but still e-commerce was already the big thing. Even Les Ailes de la Mode had to close and this was before e-commerce. And then covid and work at home trend happened followed by inflation. They should have aborted this project. The only explanation I have is "sunk cost fallacy".
Court Mont Royal was a fiasco since it open in 1988 , was there.
You said that right
Rockland is dead lol
Retail space is loss leader for condos soon to be build in the project.
Went there on the Saturday after it opened. Your thoughts are fair and on point.
does it have an Apple Store? if not what is the point
A very large shopping center, many luxury shops, mixed with ordinary shops.
The restaurants in this center, the prices are quite expensive...
It is worth noting that if you want to get to this place by car, it is not easy, the worst thing is to pay for parking.
Under half an hour: Free, from an hour or more... have to pay....
What do they know that we dont know? Is there a TGV Station going there? It looks and feels like an Airport...Maybe a shuttle to the Airport?..the Marriott Hotel at Dorval Airport Terminal already already has a Metro Station ..
It's not finished yet but it certainly won't look like those fancy renderings they were promosing either.
Thanks for the honesty. Yes , the poutine at the Julep is delicious.
Thank you for very interesting tour❤❤❤
Doesn’t appear to be seamlessly connected to the metro system, you have to go outside the metro to access the tunnel bridge to the mall.?
Correct. To be fair it's only about 20 paces away, but there is a gap.
Neither is Place Versailles in the East End.
Magnotta's eye view?
Sorry I don’t agree with this luxury mall. What about the number of people on the streets that keep increasing. Poverty and the price of food and rents. I’m sorry it’s mind boggling knowing that so many people are struggling. So let’s continue to offer rich people big malls and million-dollar condos. Let’s keep our orange cones and people hospital emergencies overcrowded for ordinary people who can’t afford private doctors. It’s unbelievable.
To be fair this is not built by the municipal or provincial governments but with private investors. You can have both.
But to be honest I don’t think this mall will be a success.
You were right next to Dunn's and didn't even suggest it :(
As for Royal Mount, I don't see why you would come to De la Savanne rather than go downtown. If you're already in the city St. Catherine's has most of those places and I think quite of few of them are part of the underground city as well. If you're on the north shore, you can always go to Carrefour Laval. I'm pretty sure Longueuil has there own big mall too.
What I can see is that they tried to do something like Centrolpolis in Laval by having a large communal space outside where they'll be able to do events, and maybe have like food trucks or stalls or something.
I didn't know there was a Dunn's was over there. I like Dunn's though, it's a nice old school deli
Need to try Dunn's out
@@thoughtsontravelandlife
It's across the street from Namur Metro.
What's the point? If you like big clean malls there is already Fairview, Galeries d'Anjous, Rockland and others. Maybe for people who live within the area, but this mall will probably be mostly empty
Work is almost finished at st joseph oratory and we can go on foot up the stairs now so that would be a good place to film.
You are 100% right. We went there and we could stay for 30 min max. we paid for the parking and left as quickly as possible its over crowded we didn't find a place to sit.... the ppl like they've never seen a shopping center before that was wired.!
It's reminded me when we lived in duabi for 2.5 years and could finish the duabi mall ... this mall is just a luxury brands mall. This is not for all ppl. We can only go there to watch not to shop
It's a luxury mall. It was never designed for all people except the well-off.
Plus, you have to pay 5$ per hour for the parking.
I live near this mall, just a walk away. I went there with my friends and it was amazing. I dont know if this is a product of gentrification because there are condos being built everywhere, where I live.
bet on it. For decades there have been efforts to gentrify cote-des-neiges but with much failure, particularly around the Van Horne between darlington and Wilderton areas. Always something going wrong. Which I'm chuckling at - enough of the city is gentrified, thus rendering many priced out of any housing in this city.
With brick and mortor and malls across north America struggling and closing how do the developers and landlord's think they can buck the trend with a boring mall ?
Nice vid man thanks for the info
The audio acoustics are terrible in this mall. Perhaps too much open space but there is a problem. Constant loud background drone. On the positive, it's nice and convenient to get too - great metro access (perhaps the most accessible mall). The fact that 2/3 of stores were closed was disappointing. Most of the higher end stores are still closed. There are no tables and chairs to eat food - are you supposed to eat your A&W or Poulet Rouge standing up?
Wow very few seating or resting spots 😞
Boring with a big "L". I'm still laughing 😂
I know the biggest mall in Canada is the infamous Edmonton Mall. When I worked in student exchanges in Mexico I had a student from Edmonton. He described his hometown as the most boring in the world. "Our main attraction is a mall."
Malls are closing in the US but in Latin American cities they're very popular. There are several within walking distance of my apartment in São Paulo.
I don't know how you came up on my feed but thank you for this I was about to head out there... Maybe not so much now.. That's like you say in a few years maybe when some of the orange cones are removed from my ph u cking streets I might adventure out there...
Won't lie to you I haven't seen a mall that occupied besides Eaton centre in a long time ! Cote vertu mall used to be packed back in the 90s.
I heard there is going to be an Aquarium right next to the mall, if that's true it would be super cool
I was there on this same day and couldn’t understand the reason it exists. A luxury mall with paid parking and access to the metro with no stores. Who even goes to malls anymore?
Dan you should make one of the Cincinnati Mall the mall is semi-abandoned because there are at least 5 stores left but they don't want to leave praying that it will resurge in popularity. Plus a tip the camera's don't work and a group of TH-camrs where able to go see inside
Great video great content thanks for sharing ! 👍
Nahh we need a part 2 when all done
I drive around it everyday, thanks for sharing!
Who are the folks in the mural on the outside of the building? An homage to the settlers who devastated the native, local population in true QC fashion I'm sure
I agree with you. I haven't gone yet and don't plan on going until everything is fully open. Just seems like a waste of time otherwise. Luxury shopping is also not my thing.
The mall is private money... of course the city has to connect roads, etc. No trees and gardens...similar to other malls in the area....they charge for parking to discourage driving to the place...
A two-story Carrefour Laval with a few upscale shops scattered here and there-nothing worth bragging about.
We are not on Les Champs-Élysées! 😅
People who says that it would be better to invest money in the roads, missing the point, that Royal Mount is private company, nothing to do with Tax payers money, new shopping center meens new jobs for local peopel. My only disappointment is location, since I dont use public trasnport, that part of traffic is something I always avoid. I could see in video, that they have big Zara store, Mango, what is very atractive stores, also big H&M....and I would want to go to shopping mall like this, but I am not ready to get trough that traffic jam. And for Luxary shopping I would choose Ogilvy on Saint-Catherine street.
But beautiful stores are making our city more beautiful, so thats the positive part.
The opening seems promising, but common yall. However phases there may be, the money must come from somewhere, be it the worker's pocket, the shop owners, or the taxpayers. But, aren't they all the same? For the love of poutine! Do not hate that big orange sphere thing!
Pourquoi Royalmount un nom anglais dans un Québec français? Pourquoi Québec à accept cette grossière insulte?
à accept?
I remeber when we first heard about his mall thinking "what the heck were they thinking"? Malls are dead.
wish they have more entertainment stuffs in it like indoor golf
Good way to end the video :)
The man in the leather jacket looks intéressant I am coming forca visit
Hi, thank you for sharing this.👍
Dan Vineberg Hello! Thanks btw, I'm waiting for the 60 Restaurants to be open inside that Mall otherwise, no no no, to pay 5.00 for parking after 1/2 hour?? NO WAY! at least Not me... I think that the guy was saying '' Right now it is boring with a big L '' I think he meant ''Loser'' in other words that the Mall it won't last long. I'm watching your video and thinking, It doesn't look anything spectacular or different. the only thing that captured my attention is OLIVE GOURMANDO, It could be the Olive Garden restaurant ? Just because of the french thing in Montreal that's why the title? I Hope so! Have a nice week.😁🤣
I do my shopping online and have been for almost 20 years. I hate stores, I hate crowds and I hate being told " sorry , we don't have your size ".
My hubby did a good job with the bricks. Bravo guys..
Blue Bonnet development should add to the flow, I mean Decarie flow.
Don’t see what more it has to offer in comparison to Carrefour Laval?
Accessible by metro
Montreal is known world wide for being a fashion city , innivative and creative. Fashions scholls now international from Montreal . Many world designers are located in Montreal and even Taylor Swift wears Montreal s designer clothes . As for exemple , SSENSE boutique in the Old Montreal attracts people from New York and all over North america . I notoced you something make comments with checking the facts.