[Easiest Ever Grain Tek] No Soak, No Boil, Grain Spawn for Growing Mushrooms
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- I use a no soak and no boil method (tek) of making grain spawn. By the name implies I do not soak or boil my grain before pressure cooking it. Let me know if you have any questions in the comments. Like and subscribe for more videos coming soon!
CORRECTION: I said 2 Micron in the video when I meant to say 0.2 micron.
** I meant to say 10T filter bags instead of 14T. **
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contaminants are as small as .3? So why not .3 microns instead of 2?
I did mean to say 0.2 micron not 2 micron. Sorrry! The T filters are 0.2 micron.
If contaminants are .3 and the bag is .3, contaminants will enter. If the contaminants are as small as .3 and the bag is .2 micron then the won’t fit through the bag filter
@@jbigg333 I meant to say that most contaminants, that ruin projects anyways, are larger than .3
I contacted you for the agar plates I bought ten from you and you mentioned your grain bags and how you made to order and nothing sat around to long witch was a big deal in my eyes and that alone is big selling point for myself happy to deal with you I have a question about that Im trying to grow p.cubes and was wondering if the type of grain you use a good host for those types of strains
@@willywonkaredford1845 Plenty of info online. He is a gourmet company not medicinal. And to answer, any grain works.
“If this isn’t easy for you try something else.” Great advice.
I like what he said, "I make it as simple as possible, because I don't like doing things that take longer than they should."
Yo! This worked for me as well with quart jars! I did 1 pint of producers pride whole oats from TSC and 200ml of water. Came out damn near perfect. I would suggest to others to play around with it (try a couple different jars.. 150ml, 175ml, up to 225ml) and see what works best. Essentially doing the 75% water weight to oat weight worked for me as shown in the video.
sick, i was cruising the comments for someone mentioning jars, ty. im going to try it next time i do up some grain jars.
This is an AWESOME way to do this. For anyone who wants to use quart jars, 8 oz oats and 3/4 cup water is perfect. When you put 8 oz of oats in you may say to yourself "hey I can fit a lot more oats in there", but after absorbing the water, the oats will expand, and 8 oz gives you just enough room to be able to shake your jars without issue. Thanks again for this technique.
Is 8oz of oats about 1.5 cups ? Just making sure...
Can you go into more detail about how long you cook? I keep getting mush on the bottom and seemingly normal grain above.
Would you do same amount for rye? Or a little more of water and rye?
@Elliott Ergon Thanks Elliot. My guess is that this works better for bags than jars. I'm going to try putting in a double layer of a trivet and lids so that I can keep the jars entirely out of the water while retaining the 3 quarts of water sufficient for PC for 90 minutes. I suspect that the oatmeal effect is coming because the bottom of the jars are underwater and cooking.
@Stephen Brockhoff, how long do you PC your jars for? I'm trying to replicate your success by precisely following your process
Seriously. This method is the way. It works. It's beautiful. No messing around soaking grain.
Makes it so much easier!! It’s the only way I do it now.
After so watching so many grain spawn videos, finally someone mentions not having to have the pressure cooker on max. Love the minimalist approach, thank you
11:30 - 'Keep it at that (15psi) for 2 hours' - Thanks for all the detail in this video!
Thanks a mil for taking the time and making the effort to make and upload this golden nugget! very much appreciated!
Seriously the most helpful verbal and visual explanations! You've just made my life so much happier, thank you :)
Happy to help!
Thank you so much for this video and this channel! I appreciate your products and your spreading of knowledge. Still have spawn growing from you that I bought about a year ago.
Awesome glad it's helped!
I always respect practical knowledge and try to apply what I learn. If you have a video about liquid culture, culture with agar and storing the produced cultures for a long time, I will look forward to it.
I haven't run grain in 3 years thiswas a nice refresher on water and grain ratios cause i totally forgot em
thanks you for explaining about melted bags
You are a great teacher! I love seeing videos that simplify grain as much as this. All the rye teks that rinse and soak and a bunch of nonsense steered me wrong for a long time.
It's a great time saver for sure!
Does this process go for all grain?
really great info, no beating around the bush.
Trying this rn! Thanks! I keep forgetting my grains drying all the time so this should be clutch! Thanks!
tape 3 quarters together on the rocker to keep from loosing steam. also look into partial pressure. i purge my cooker for 10 mins b4 i put cap on. im excited to try this no boil method thanks man!
I am gonna try this in my op.
Thanks a lot for sharing!
Love your style, simple done well is always best 🤙
To me, this is the only way to do it, simple and reliable! Thank you for this!
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For metric folks slightly heavier bags:
1kg oats
750 ml water
This video saved me SOOO MUCH TIME!!!! Thank you!!
Glad it helped!
Great video man wish you luck!
Thanks for the tip about the spacer!!
You bet!
30seconds in already picked up good info. Thanks
This tek is a god send
-Faster colonization times than soaking. I can already see mycelium forming at day 2 from a liquid culture soaking then drying sometimes takes 1 week to form
-No prep time just drop'em in the pc. I used to soak them for 12 hours which makes them ferment and sometimes get contam.
You just saved me a lot of time man keep it up!
typically overcomplicated processes are extra. Problems are usually solved by doing the few correct things, NOT a million tiny touches that take forever.
Right! I like to break from habitual processes that are only around because that's what everyone else is doing. When it's possible to do so of course! This method has been serving me well for years.
This is one of the stellar videos out there on bag procedure in a pressure cooker. A lot of videos whiz thru the part about how much water should be in the cooker, so I really dug how you took some time to show exactly where it should go and explained why. Oh, and it was great to see the bag folding done in a slow way too. Thanks a lot and keep up the great content!
Thanks Steve! That's very encouraging. I like to discuss the little things because I've also noticed a lack of info.
I use 4 nuts and bolts through the holes in the water spacer metal thing to raise in to 2 inches works great
I just did this tek last night. I love it because it’s easy to replicate and modify your hydration ratio if needed. I also like it because I’ve been using miller for a while now and as you know, millet is expensive.
I’ve inoculate mine with liquid cultures of Phoenix oyster and pink oyster. I simply poked a hole in the bag and injected 20ml of lc into each bag. I then covered the hole left by the needle with tape.
Cross fingers
Matthew, how did the inoculation work out for you? How much LC did you use?
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Definitely giving this a try 😍😍. Thank you
Aaaahhh, that is exactly the tutorial I needed. Thank you so much!!!!
Yeah this video was very helpful. Thanks!
love your video!! thank you for this.
Gonna try this on my next batch! If it works its a game changer for me! Thx for the video!
Awesome!
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Makes it look so simple
Thank you! 🙏 Much Love and Respect!
You are so welcome
Thank you so much for this. Liked and subscribed
sure learn alot , feel my operational awareness swelling and surging past others who one shant be in competition
Thnx for the precise info mate👌
Wow...thank you sooo much...what a time saver 😋
I always keep a few extra gaskets on hand, I've learned my lesson thru the years that they fail at the most unexpected times lol
Do a video on that flow hood that things impressive
Awesome video by the way
Glad you enjoyed it
For me 1 1/2 pounds h20 was to wet....I tried 1#5oz and that did the trick for me. Great tek though, saves a lot of time.
Omg you're amazing, thank you 👏👏👏
You're welcome 😊
Thank you SO much for sharing this!!! 🙂👍🏼
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You should do a video on all in 1 bag. I'm curious about the moisture content of the grain and substrate in 1 bag. Thanks for the knowledge
Yes!
You are just the best for sharing great advice and what you found works for you and saves so much time!!! I am definately going to give it a go.
Great video, simple and easy to follow! Thank you so much.
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THIS SAVE SO MUCH TIME! I believe it will work with any other grain right?
I love this , great to see sombody eles that doesn't soak grain, the nutrients is water soluble you loose so much nutrients by soaking it. Force hydration all the way, great video buddy.
Yes! Thank you!
If you were using oats in jars, would you keep the same ratio of grain to water? That ratio being 4 parts oats, 3 parts water.
i dont soak either but i do a simmer, it makes a huge difference i found.... and my buddy didnt believe me when i said my rye bags colonize in 7 days or less lol
I’ve been searching this topic for two days. This is by far the best vid I have found, hands down!
One question: at the end you let in a bit of air and mix up the grains while still warm and then seal it. Do you cut open the bag to inoculate? Or do you allow it to cool and then inoculate and seal? Thanks 🤙
Let it cool first then inoculate and seal
Great video
great content
Perfection !
Your a god damn gentleman and a scholar sir!!!!!
Nice and concise without all the YT hype, I like it. Subbed. Anyway, whole hulled oats is INSANELY expensive here in South Africa for some reason, and that's if you can even find it... I'm considering Wheat as a supplemental grain to the millet but there's not a whole lot of info out there on it
You can use straw as a sub, if thats any cheaper ?:) Stamets talks about how to do this in different books of his
@@myco_chaotix cheers for that. I have a bunch of info on straw, including cold pasteurization techniques but haven't put any of it into practice. A bale of straw is 36ZAR or about 2 dollars so yeah, a heck of a lot cheaper. 😅 Transportation is an issue tho, shipping cost to an outlying area such as mine are pricey for large, heavy goods and I'm definitely not going to be stuffing bales of straw in my i10 either 🤣
I hope you put the plate back on. Nice vid, thanks.
Thank you very much.
If I were to prepare the grain to be inoculated with colonized agar, where would that fit in? Would I cool the grain inside the pressure cooker over night, open the bags in my sterile conditions, drop the agar in and heat seal?
Very cool approach… I used that exact presto cooker and did 4 bags exactly as you shared…. 24 hours later appears to be a tiny bit of condensation upper part of bags. But grain appears dry and perfectly hydrated…thoughts?
It was Great, Thanks
Would this work for ball jars with filter and injection ports or would they need prehydrated grains in that instance you think?
I have only filled and pressure cooked 4 bags of grain, i know almost nothing; but have a dream, you may have prevented future pains in my ass. Thank You!
Well this would of saved me an entire day of work. Lol! I'm struggle to keep moisture in my jars and in my room.
Hello. Such a great video ☺️. I saw some maize cob on the floor budding whitish mushroom spawn and they are everywhere. Can they be made to produce spawn or not? If yes how?
I've been wondering about the procedures detailed by many on forums and TH-cam. They seem overly complex. The soaking, and the drying, etc. Can someone explain what would be the benefit over this method? 30 years ago I did something very similar to this in college, and it worked very well.
Awesome! :) Can we do the same process with wheat grains to produce button mushrooms?
Do you let the presto on the stove cooldown in front of the flowhood? I fold like you do wondering if I'll have issues
Fooking genius! 🍄
Great video all together. One question in the last part is it necessary to open the bag and let air in if you are going to seal it and remove the air out of it again ? I feel like i missing something but it seems like an unnecessary step that might lead to contamination.
Just followed the first video I found on rye berries prep and was thinking the entire time this seems excessive ( rinse, soak, add gypsum, wait 24hr, boil, pressure cook). Excited to try this, thank you!
Did it work
@@raymondmorales8774 not really but I also havent gotten anything to grow on rye berries yet with the boiling method either. I've just been using brown rice since but I might try it again with more water, my only guess is that they're just not hydrated enough. Otherwise it cooked really evenly, I used 2lb bags in an instant pot. I'll update if I figure it out.
@@raeechil Instant pot doesn't get hot enough to properly stertilize. Be wary.
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Any reason this wouldn't work with grain jars as well? I'd assume as long the grain to water ratios were adjusted to account for what will fit in jars rather than bags it would otherwise give the same results, no?
Please! More video!
Already working on it! Stay tuned!
Can you do the opening of the bag without a flowhood
I've used the same method except that I do leave it to soak overnight, such that endo spores are awakened, for a TOTAL sterilization.
can you post a link to that sealer? mine is on the fritz, and that one looks a lot nicer than mine.
Ok i did some numbers made a excel spreadsheet to give me the math to use to the .00 decimal for a scale. Im experimenting with oats against... Oats, malted rye, malted wheat in one jar by 1/3rds. final weight for pints should be .5 pounds. Excel gave me .29 of grain and .21 water. added them to the jar.. let sit on counter for two hours then pressure sterilized as usual. 15psi 2.5 hours. I just threw them on a Tared scale and one weighs .513 and the other .517 I'd say so far NAILED IT! Ill report back with how they grow and which recipe wins. :)
Does the plastic play a role in the process or would mason jars work?
How would you recommend handling the opening and shaking step right at the end without access to a flow hood? Would you recommend sticking to jars as opposed to bags in that situation?
How important is squeezing the air out before sealing?
Great video thanks , can save alot of effort & time Will this Tek for MIllet / Sorgum or Wild bird seed and pop corn ?too??
I like to add 3 quarters to the top of my presto. Keeps it from losing alot of steam at 15psi. Nice video!!
I was using 3 quarts but my pressure would climb to 17 psi even when turning down the heat. When we removed the quarters it keeps 15 psi almost perfectly.
@@doctorjamos2096 gotta remember tho when that weight is rocking. You're losing water into the air. Which is why I like to keep the quarters on so my pc doesn't run out of water. Does require more babysitting though to keep it at 15
I just keep an eye on the gauge, and adjust the heat from rise to just where it's at 15. Just out of safety's sake.
Atwood three washed oats don't ship to my area, seems they are oklahoma/arkansas/kansas. based. I'll look at my local feed stores and see what they have in stock
I was wondering once your bags are done. You sealed the bags before cooling. What if u need to do a grain jar to bag transfer. Thanks
Can you take the same ratio for water to grain and make bigger bags like 5 lbs?
what kind of autoclave is that? and how many qts is it? Also, is that a certified commercial scale? Do you have, or can you make, an in depth video on your supplies? I'm currently using a 23qt PC for my sterilization, and just small kitchen scales..
No-one else could have explained it better! This was so great thank you!
Thanks
If you use jar are you putting a vent hole in the top? I saw Someone do a 1/4” vent hole with pillow stuffing stuffed in it.
Could you do the same with quart widemouth jars? Thanks.
Great vid how about using rye berries
Can you apply this same technique to using ball jars vs bags? Is there a ratio of grain to H20? Would a 1/4 tsp of gypsum added initially not be beneficial? Appreciate your KISS process...OUTSTANDING!!! 🙏🏼
2lbs grain to 1.5 lbs of water should be simple math at that point. But yes gypsum is beneficial to mycelium in spawn and substrate.
Question, I have the same all American x75 , curious since it’s bigger; wouldn’t a larger ratio be beneficial??
Thats great!! Im learning about this big world that mushrooms provides and everything now is useful for me, thank u! I wanted to ask if it would be a good idea to esterilize the grain and the substrate together in the same bag in order to just inoculate the LQ in the bag, let it colonize the grain and once it is done, mix the mycelium with the substrate that would be on top of it. Sorry about my english, huges from Argentina!!
You can certainly do that. We’re going to be offering that kind of bag soon.
Is one plate enough weight to hold those down or should I add a few plates? I’m so scared of a bomb situation lol.
Can I seal the bag before pressure cooking ? I don’t have a flow hood and the shaking and sealing after looks to much for a still air box.
Great video, please keep them coming, would love to see a follow up video of grain to grain transfers with bags, I bet it will get good amount of views (nobody has done that yet afaik on you tube)
Also would love to see one of you doing a run in your diy steam barrel!
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