@@afcHalifax-xy5uu I not understand bro. Fifa rule is to change national team player should have played 3 or less than 3 match for their previous team and shouldn't also played in any international tournament like euro or wc
especially as rules were changing rapidly as the globalization hit harder In the 50's you could play for any national team of which you had the citizenship of. So Alfredo di Stefano represented Argentina, Colombia and Spain
The rule has always been unable to change after 1 senior cap even if he only come on at 90th min. still remember when spain tried to convince Messi, Argentina rushed to arrange an intl friendly asap to get a senior cap with them first
You should have to make your decision when you turn 18 and that's final. International football should be about representing your country, not playing for one team until you're good enough for another, or settling with your ancestral country because you're not good enough to make your actual country.
It should be as simple as having only 2 choices, wherever you have spent most of your life or where you were born. I’m sick of players being able to play for a country because one of their parents of grandparents were from that certain country
@@irishgodfatherchrisNo idea about other countries but all Dutch-born Indonesian NT players do have Indonesian ancestry. We have colonial history with the Netherlands from the 17th to mid 20th century; it's not uncommon for today's Dutch people to have Indonesian heritage albeit very small/far off.
Their rules have some pros tho. Like each team can only have 1 such “Embiid”. So 11/12 registered players of an NT have to be products of its nation’s youth system, not just taking advantage of those “half-, half-“ dudes who have developed through the basketball powerhouses’ programs My point of this upside is that each nation has to have a good youth program for it to actually excel
isnt that a loophole if u stay in the country for 5 or more u can play in NT ? thats why qatar always bringing in some youth talented player from any other country
He is a Basque, most of Basques live in Spain and they have their autonomy their. France control small fragments of Basque Country, but probably Spain can claim that Basques are one of the few ethnic groups that collectively are called Spaniards (Andalusians, Aragonese, Asturians, Balearics, Basques, Canary Islanders, Cantabrians, Castilians, Catalans, Extremadurans, Galicians, Leonese, Valencians) even if Laporte nor his closest family did not live in Spain. Whereas France is hostile to ethnic minorities, you are supposed to be French. In other words somebody can identify as Basque AND Spaniard, while in France you are either French or Basque, but definitely not both. Laporte case was viewed in France very negatively as someone who abandon his "Frenchness" in favour of more regional roots.
@@Hadar1991 It has nothing to do with his basque identity. Laporte went to Spain when he was 16 and lived there until he was 24 (8 years). FIFA allows you to play for a country you have no ancestral links to (he has no Spanish ancestry) if you earn citizenship to the country (he has) and have been living in the country for at least 5 years. Since he joined Athletic Bilbao in 2010, he'd have been eligible to play for France all his life and Spain since 2015 (when he turned 21). It's the same reason why Le Normand is playing for Spain in the Euros despite not having any ancestral links to Spain and being 300000% baguette baguette French.
Not anymore, unfortunately. He could have played for Canada through a loophole (the same Munir El Hadddi used to play for Morroco) considering the current regulation only became active in 2020 and by that time, he only had 1 cap for England by the time he was 21 (he turned 21 in 2019). But after he played his second game for England in 2021, he became cap-tied, meaning he's stuck with England. The new rules say that if you're 21 or older and you played any game for a country before turning 21 (youth or senior) and haven't requested a change, you stay tied to that country forever (even if you never get picked again and you have citizenship to another country). Also if you're 21 or older and you play a game for a country, you're also stuck with that country forever.
Imagine if players simply played for the nations they’re actually part of. “My grandmother was English so I’ll play for England even though I’ve never been there.” They should represent countries they’re emotionally attached to and not the ones where they feel best chances to win trophies.
History writes different stories and who are you to decide whether one should or should not choose the country one represents? It's impossible to regulate something of a subjective feeling. Especially if the opposite case, it is the player chooses to play in weaker national team, because one has more chance to play international football at all, also may happen.
@@skoczek777 there are regular laws and regulations each country has to determine citizenship. Football players shouldn’t be allowed to make up their own rules. If you don’t find Brazilian players living in Germany being called up for Qatar an issue then I can’t help you.
@@julienbristow-goldschmidt7418 In some cases, you can get dual citizenship through a parent. There have been Nigerian players who were born in the USA and England who qualified through their parents. There’s nothing wrong with that.
@@23_CM And I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that as long as there’s an actual connection to a country. My issues are around things like Brazilians becoming Qataris because they throw money at them. Issue is when players “pick” a nation that suits them rather than playing for the one they feel connected to in reality.
Wait, Roger Guerreiro had no ancestral link to Poland, was given Polish citizenship in 2008 (he was granted the citizenship directly by president, so skipping normal procedures and requirements) and played 25 matches for Poland. So something does not add up here...
Idk about his specific case but it seems to be allowed if you've lived there continuously for x years (thus preventing the Qatar case where they just threw money at random players who didn't even live/play there to naturalise them). Latest case i know is Dean Huijsen (Juve player on loan to Roma). Dutch-born, both parents are Dutch, moved to Spain with his family as a child. Was a Dutch national but recently became Spanish citizen and got called up to Spanish NT training camp.
@@trashAndNoStar Yeah, Roger Guerreiro was playing in Polish league for few years before getting the citizenship. So probably this video just oversimplified.
@Hadar1991 usually if you become a naturalized citizen they allow it. How that's different from what Qatar did is a thin line in a rule book. However it makes more sense for kids that spent years in a new country like Messi being asked to play for Spain. It's very tricky to say the least
That loophole Qatar took advantage of should be closed in rugby also. There are players (Michael Leitch for instance) who play for a country they have no ancestral link to.
Gosh, imagine if the various Pacific Islanders seeded through all the international rugby teams were allowed to play for their home nations instead of being swiped by the richer ones. NZ, Aus, England etc would never see the world cup in their cabinets again!
I don't get the ancestral link part. It can only be for naturalized players I guess otherwise it eliminates too many actual citizens. Eg You are an American citizen because you were born there but no ancestry as your parents are from somewhere else. Does that mean you couldn't represent the US?
So lets say your us american (born and raised) but your father is born in canada and your mother in mexico, additionally your grandparents are from (born in) germany, italy,france and england. My understanding is that you would be eligable for all of those countries. it gets even more complicated if youd move to lets say brazil as a child, i think that would add to the list if you stay there long enough.
Wait.. how Camavinga plays for France then? He was not born in there neither are his parents. Не just immigrated there as a child and have a citizenship. Does this count as ancestral link?
Tifo didn't add that being born/being raised in a country is enough for you to represent that country. Also apart from Brobbey and Frimpong every Dutch player has an ancestral link to the Netherlands.
@@skoczek777 no, it isn't. Football is this 🏈 and is thrown. Association Football is this ⚽ and is kicked. Feel free to look it up and educate yourself.
That’s a lie, i come from a mexican family, and i was born there. My parents moved to the usa when i was 1. I am currently 18. Have lived here my whole life. And I could play for the usmnt
It’s cause we’re the best, no one talks about Belgium and their Congolese players or Italy with their South American players but want to complain about players born, raised, and bred in France just because of how successful and talented they are.
The rule is that you must have been born in the country, have lived there for at least two years prior to turning 18, or have a parent or grandparent who was born there.
Yes, otherwise these players couldn't represent France. Every single one of them has either at least one grandparent from the country they represent or had been born there.
@@robs7163two years before 18 is way too short. They should apply something like staying in a country for 200 days within 10 consecutive years before 18, in some ways similar to how taxation or visa works for working adults. It's still too easy for some nations to mess around.
@@sususegar I just looked it up to make sure I was remembering it correctly and it turns out I was not quite. If you or your parents/grandparents are not born to a country, you must have been a resident of that country for at least five years if your residency began at age ten or older, or at least three years if that residency began at less than ten years. In addition, you must have a valid passport of the nation which you wish to represent. I also forgot to mention that you can also be eligible to represent a country if either of your parents are citizens of that country at the time of your birth - even if they were not born there.
@@sususegar in other words, if you and your immediate ancestors were not born to or citizens of a particular country, you must have lived in that country from before you turned 13 to be eligible for them
Going by your stone-age standards, no countries in the America and Oceania continents could put together enough players for a single team. Good thing we dont go by that 🤷.
@@trashAndNoStar only Europe is diluted in this way. You don't see it happening to African or Asian teams so your takedown of my "stoneage" standards is flat out wrong
Why do Irish people cry over Declan Rice so much?? His only connection to Ireland is his paternal Grandparents, not exactly Shane MacGowan is he😂😂. All players want is game time, so they play wherever they can until they can play where they want. Loads of players do this, half the bloody Scotland team are Englishman who couldn’t make it into the England squad. Get over it. And you shouldn’t need or want plastic paddys in your team anyway.
To speak for myself, I wouldn't want Declan rice in the team, same with kane and grealish and every other English player eligible for Ireland. The reason people don't like Declan rice is because he played for us at senior level (and kissed the badge) before switching to England, and if you know the history between England and ireland, you can begin to understand why he gets so much hate.
He loves both ireland and England. Both are part of him so I really don't see why he as to hate one. People taking their politics and trying to makr it his problem.
@@logistaur France and Africa is forever linked now due to those French colonisers to the point it's affecting sports , deal with it. if you didn't want black players playing for France should have told those colonisers to stay at home
So Qatar beefed up their team in 2004, hoping to use those players 20 years later in the 2022 world cup, or why was it relevant to mention them? Other countries have more recent example.
@@anthonyfoco6396 So no other countries have been doing it before that? Matter of fact the current rules about ancestry makes it possible for some countries to stack up talent, as long as they can show some ancestor of a player who grew up with immigrant parents is eligible to represent their great grandfather's country.... And that my friend, is how you reach 2 World Cup finals in a row, 2018 & 2022.
@@oslonorway547Other countries have been doing it, Puskas for example played for Spain later in his career. He of course at least lived in the country, unlike the almost-Qataris, Fifa decided to step in at that point, so of course it is mentioned. Also it is not like you can go through medieval records to find the one ancestor you need to play for any country you want to, grandparents are the furthest generation you are allowed to go back to and from all the players France used in the final 2022 just two were not born in France. One of them is Thuram, whos dad played for France and was born there, it just so happened that Marcus Thuram was born while his dad played for Parma, so the family temporarily lived there. This leaves Camaving who was born in Angola to Congolese parents but lived in France since the age of two. It’s up to you whether you think that he should be eligible for France, I absolutely think so, since he probably doesn’t even have any memory from before they moved to France where he was raised but claiming that France abuses the system on any significant scale is just wrong.
@@BeWe1510 France isn't abusing it, they deserve it. Countries should be able to give citizenship to anyone as far as they meet the requirements for earning citizenship like any other regular person. And anyone who gains citizenship through the standard requirement (not fast tracking or exceptional routes), and hasn't played for any other country before, should be allowed to play for their new country. The current system is causing lots of talent to go to waste. Imagine how many Peles, Puskas and Messis aren't discovered internationally because they come from a corrupt country that won't give them international playing time, but it's too late to leave to become eligible elsewhere. For example the entire Nigerian national team is made up of England rejects who quickly pledged allegiance before they are too old, and while there they have to pay exorbitant bribes and continuous Mafia money to the federation from their annual club salaries, just to be part of that country's National team in tournaments. It was either that, or never play international football ever. Til this day you have young players "refusing to decide yet what country to represent," but actually it just means they're waiting for the better country to call them up. By the time they are past their peak, they rush to beg and bribe their parents country to play international football, for example the Inaki Williams at Athletic Bilbao who was better than his younger brother at the same age, but didn't play for Spain and now he is aging had to return to beg Ghana to play in Qatar. Meanwhile his younger brother already tasted World Cup games as a high school teenager for Spain.
In November 2007, FIFA President Sepp Blatter told the BBC: "If we don't stop this farce, if we don't take care about the invaders from Brazil towards Europe, Asia and Africa then, in the 2014 or the 2018 World Cup, out of the 32 teams you will have 16 full of Brazilian players."
China has made football mandotary in schools. If they do that for a decade or 2 it will integrate in their culture and they will produce more higher skilled players. I mean if u have more than a billion citizens. There should be 11 skilled players by math I think?
Back then, you could even *win the World Cup* with a nation and still switch. I was surprised to learn that Alcides Ghiggia, the Uruguay player who scored in the 1950 World Cup final, then went to Italy and played for the Azzurri. Can you imagine if, say, Griezmann switched nations and played for Portugal after scoring in a World Cup final?
No, the video gets it wrong. It's either ancestral link OR having lived in the country you're a citizen of continuously for more than five years. There are cases of people being given citizenship to represent a national team e.g. Fernandes who played RB for Russia, he was from Brazil but had lived in Russia long enough for him to be allowed to play for them.
All the Requirements to Playing for a National Team A player can play for a country if they: 1. Are born in the country, 2. Have an ancestral link to a country that allows them to gain citizenship (the furthest ancestral link FIFA accepts is through a grandparent), 3. Obtain naturalisation to a country they have no ancestral link to and after living in the country for at least 5 years (the rule to counter the Qatar farce). A player can swap countries if they have any of these 3 links to another country and aren't cap-tied to their current country. A player becomes cap-tied to a country by: 1. Playing 1 game for that country at a major tournament (continental or international), 2. Earning their 4th cap for that country as a senior player under the age of 21, 3. Being 21 or older having already represented that country at any level (youth or senior) at least once, 4. Representing a new country at least once after swapping allegiances. A player can only swap national teams once in their career.
Considering the landscape of international football isn't meant to be skewed by transfers like club football, and players are playing for their own national pride rather than money/ambition, more should be done in the rules to protect its integrity. Allowing players like Rice and Grealish to get Rep. of Ireland fans' hopes up only to then rediscover their Englishness when it suited their careers makes a mockery of it and creates unnecessary hostility. More responsibility (i.e. rules) should be placed on players at the outset of their intentional careers to understand that once they have made their choice, they can't switch to a different team. Whether it be a youth game or a friendly. Even as an Englishman whose team benefitted on this occasion, I was unhappy that the rules allowed Rice and Grealish to switch.
The issue is that if the rules are stricter, then countries are going to try and cap players ASAP to lock them down. Which is a bad thing. You don't want national FA's putting pressure on 17 year olds.
@lordfridge491 then its not really Moroccans from morocco that are playing 😂 u people have no shame thats why i have so much respect for most of europe and latin america they almost always have people from their country playing for them
Look at Indonesia national team. Some of the players are EU based and couldn’t even speak the Indonesian language, but since they have Indonesian grandparents it’s fine
Not some of them, most of them are EU based and don't speak Indonesian, they are also usually born to at least 1 Indonesian parent which makes them Indonesian at least according to Indonesia, yes some were naturalised but a lot were already eligible as far as Indonesia was concerned. Yesterday they beat the Phillipines whose 35 year old striker is from Sweden with a team that had 7 players who were born in the Netherlands.
Don’t see why that’s an issue? Especially if they’re clearly the better players, use them to build your way up the rankings, get more funding and then invest that in local grassroots. This has been a thing all over the world for decades
Agree 💯 and technically Jude Bellingham could have played for Ireland because he's Irish on his dad's side and I believe has Irish citizenship but I imagine they all want to have to win at least one World Cup during the course of their career and it's more feasible doing that playing for England as opposed to playing for Ireland
All the Requirements to Playing for a National Team (clarifying the mistakes in this short) A player can play for a country if they: 1. Are born in the country, 2. Have an ancestral link to a country that allows them to gain citizenship (the furthest ancestral link FIFA accepts is through a grandparent), 3. Obtain naturalisation to a country they have no ancestral link to and after living in the country for at least 5 years (the rule to counter the Qatar farce). A player can swap countries if they have any of these 3 links to another country and ARE NOT cap-tied to their current country. A player becomes cap-tied to a country by: 1. Playing 1 game for that country at a major tournament (continental or international), 2. Earning their 4th cap for that country as a senior player under the age of 21, 3. Being 21 or older having already represented that country at any level (youth or senior) at least once, 4. Representing a new country at least once after swapping allegiances. A player can only swap national teams once in their career. They can only reverse the decision IF they fail to make an appearance for the new national team (which would have cap-tied them otherwise).
Actually, their definition is very in line with most citizenship laws. Most countries in the world offer citizenship by decent, where you can become a citizen to the country through a family connection (in most cases, through a parent, grandparent or great grandparent). With FIFA, the furthest connection they allow is a grandparent so it's practically the same...
Basically, a way for first world countries to poach the best of the developing world while barring anything those countries could do to build a team/structure for the future. I get why they did it, but you have to admit there's a bit of weirdness here.
It's the other way around. Something like a fourth of top African players are born and grew up in France. The great training and infrastructure their top players receive in Europe is the only reason any developing African national teams are competitive at all since their own leagues are all underdeveloped in comparison.
@@tim..indeed yeah. The best in Africa. That's not a high bar. Face it: most of the best of those countries don't even play for those countries. What irritates me is you guys don't even have the good grace to accept when stuff like this benefits you. You have this weird need to try and run from it. Why? At the end of the day, does you trying to bs your way past it make a difference to us in the rest of the world? No. So what's the point?
If Rice just held out for England, no one in Ireland would be angry. He's quite obviously English. He should have never declared if he had no interest in sticking around. Jack Grealish at least never played for us at senior level. We're a country, not a club to use as a stepping stone.
They need to get rid of the 5 year citizenship rule and go back to origin, France & England for example, mbappe and saka should be playing for African nations, not European ones
DNA tests are not the measure of one's nationality. FIFA cares only about your parents and grandparents anyways. If they're Israeli citizens, you're eligible.
I dont like it. If you move to a different country as a kid for example and later become a citizen, thats your home, even if you dont technically have ancestry there. It should be more along the lines of you cant just get citizenship for the competition. You should have actually lived in that country for a decent amount of time in the past maybe?
To be clear, Rice also made senior appearances for Ireland, though they were only friendlies
Yes that's they said, not play in any tournaments or more than three match
@@MiaSanMia_06no more than 3 matches? that must be a “Declan Rice” rule 😂
@@afcHalifax-xy5uu I not understand bro. Fifa rule is to change national team player should have played 3 or less than 3 match for their previous team and shouldn't also played in any international tournament like euro or wc
Kissed the Irish badge and all 😂
Grealish too
This could’ve been a full length 10 minute video
Shorts are op
And tifo have sold out
especially as rules were changing rapidly as the globalization hit harder
In the 50's you could play for any national team of which you had the citizenship of. So Alfredo di Stefano represented Argentina, Colombia and Spain
Would like to know more too
It's an ad for the book
The rule has always been unable to change after 1 senior cap even if he only come on at 90th min. still remember when spain tried to convince Messi, Argentina rushed to arrange an intl friendly asap to get a senior cap with them first
But friendlies don't count though
Imagine a 2008-2012 Spain that also had Messi
@@andresmartinezramos7513doesn’t even sound fair
@@battistoberhoel8839 They used to and the video even addresses that.
@@andresmartinezramos7513Barcelona
You should have to make your decision when you turn 18 and that's final. International football should be about representing your country, not playing for one team until you're good enough for another, or settling with your ancestral country because you're not good enough to make your actual country.
Extremely rare Fifa W. If this would have happened today, they would have caved immediately.
W? You can just reverse your decision? Sounds just as bad to me.
@@Big_flizz32 I'm specifically referring to how they stopped Qatar's plans.
@@Anton-wk8lv who cares about Qatar? They’re the most harmless nation in football
@@Big_flizz32it's fine. Tbh, this happens a lot with young player rather than veterans. It should be fine.
@@Anton-wk8lv yeah many countries like Qatar do this in other sports, where they didn't stop it. Like the Qatari futsal or handball teams are a joke
Costa playing for Spain
Messi playing for Argentina
Fifa closing loop holes. Fifa underestimates the greed of man
Always great content!
It should be as simple as having only 2 choices, wherever you have spent most of your life or where you were born. I’m sick of players being able to play for a country because one of their parents of grandparents were from that certain country
How come China played with two Brazilian forwards in the world cup qualifier with Thailand this week?
The Phillipines has a Swede as their striker and Indonesia just yesterday fielded a team where 7 of the players were born in the Netherlands.
They were naturalized chinese before the rule change
@@irishgodfatherchrisNo idea about other countries but all Dutch-born Indonesian NT players do have Indonesian ancestry. We have colonial history with the Netherlands from the 17th to mid 20th century; it's not uncommon for today's Dutch people to have Indonesian heritage albeit very small/far off.
@@trashAndNoStar (neo)colonialism always wins in the end.
Soekarno and the gang had been tripping back then lmao 🤣
This just makes me think of Di Stefano and how unlucky he was with his international career
This should be a rule in other sports too. Players in handball change national teams like clubs...
FIBA needs to add these rules for basketball it would really help with cases like Embiid
Their rules have some pros tho. Like each team can only have 1 such “Embiid”. So 11/12 registered players of an NT have to be products of its nation’s youth system, not just taking advantage of those “half-, half-“ dudes who have developed through the basketball powerhouses’ programs
My point of this upside is that each nation has to have a good youth program for it to actually excel
Please explain how some Brazilians, a Gambian & Kosovan with no ancestral links are eligibile to represent Malaysia?
It's a new rule. So existing players are grandfathered in I guess.
isnt that a loophole if u stay in the country for 5 or more u can play in NT ? thats why qatar always bringing in some youth talented player from any other country
@@lyndaek99you can still gain eligibility by staying in a country for 5 years
If you have citizenship to that country and lived there for at least 5 years, you would be eligible to represent that country.
The great Timmy Cahill is where this really started
Tim Cahill's brother represented Samoa
How?
He played for western Samoa u20 when he was 14. Took years of lobbying before he was allowed to play for Australia
@@gumnutgear Ah okay, as a Millwall fan I didn't know that 😅
What about Diego Costa? Didn't he switch 2 or 3 times?
Rules should be harsher. Only allow them to play for their homeland.
An ancesteral link is definitely not required because Zeca who has none of that has captained 🇬🇷 at some point lol
We have a whole Sierra Leone man play for Deutsch/Germania
-International tournaments are some horse shii.
But what about Arymic Laprote's? case
He is a Basque, most of Basques live in Spain and they have their autonomy their. France control small fragments of Basque Country, but probably Spain can claim that Basques are one of the few ethnic groups that collectively are called Spaniards (Andalusians, Aragonese, Asturians, Balearics, Basques, Canary Islanders, Cantabrians, Castilians, Catalans, Extremadurans, Galicians, Leonese, Valencians) even if Laporte nor his closest family did not live in Spain. Whereas France is hostile to ethnic minorities, you are supposed to be French. In other words somebody can identify as Basque AND Spaniard, while in France you are either French or Basque, but definitely not both. Laporte case was viewed in France very negatively as someone who abandon his "Frenchness" in favour of more regional roots.
@@Hadar1991 It has nothing to do with his basque identity. Laporte went to Spain when he was 16 and lived there until he was 24 (8 years). FIFA allows you to play for a country you have no ancestral links to (he has no Spanish ancestry) if you earn citizenship to the country (he has) and have been living in the country for at least 5 years. Since he joined Athletic Bilbao in 2010, he'd have been eligible to play for France all his life and Spain since 2015 (when he turned 21). It's the same reason why Le Normand is playing for Spain in the Euros despite not having any ancestral links to Spain and being 300000% baguette baguette French.
@@zsac18 In some sense his Basque ancestry played a role, otherwise he would never became Athletic Bilbao player. But still thanks for clarifying. :)
Declan rice looks like he was proudly eating a mud pie when he switched to the english team. Tifo has a unique style by jfc
So, could Brahim change back and play for Spain in a couple of years?
whoever drew this somehow managed to make Declan Rice's mouth look even more unpleasant than irl
The rule change couldn't have happened in 2004 cos Deigo Costa represented Spain at the 2014 WC but he's Brazilian
PED master can't fight any prime fighter anymore at light heavy or heavy 😢
Can Tomori play for Canada?
Canada & Scotland both need all the players they can get.
I am Scottish seen Canada a supple of times & they are just as bad as us.
Not anymore, unfortunately. He could have played for Canada through a loophole (the same Munir El Hadddi used to play for Morroco) considering the current regulation only became active in 2020 and by that time, he only had 1 cap for England by the time he was 21 (he turned 21 in 2019).
But after he played his second game for England in 2021, he became cap-tied, meaning he's stuck with England.
The new rules say that if you're 21 or older and you played any game for a country before turning 21 (youth or senior) and haven't requested a change, you stay tied to that country forever (even if you never get picked again and you have citizenship to another country). Also if you're 21 or older and you play a game for a country, you're also stuck with that country forever.
That's unfortunate for him, locked in @@zsac18
@@alanfox691 No Canada are much better than Scotland
Imagine if players simply played for the nations they’re actually part of. “My grandmother was English so I’ll play for England even though I’ve never been there.” They should represent countries they’re emotionally attached to and not the ones where they feel best chances to win trophies.
History writes different stories and who are you to decide whether one should or should not choose the country one represents?
It's impossible to regulate something of a subjective feeling.
Especially if the opposite case, it is the player chooses to play in weaker national team, because one has more chance to play international football at all, also may happen.
Many do. You can't mandate a feeling anyhow.
@@skoczek777 there are regular laws and regulations each country has to determine citizenship. Football players shouldn’t be allowed to make up their own rules. If you don’t find Brazilian players living in Germany being called up for Qatar an issue then I can’t help you.
@@julienbristow-goldschmidt7418 In some cases, you can get dual citizenship through a parent. There have been Nigerian players who were born in the USA and England who qualified through their parents. There’s nothing wrong with that.
@@23_CM And I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that as long as there’s an actual connection to a country. My issues are around things like Brazilians becoming Qataris because they throw money at them. Issue is when players “pick” a nation that suits them rather than playing for the one they feel connected to in reality.
Wait a minute, so how did the French national team show a clear ancestral link?
Most born in France and also some migrated to France when they were children
Wait, Roger Guerreiro had no ancestral link to Poland, was given Polish citizenship in 2008 (he was granted the citizenship directly by president, so skipping normal procedures and requirements) and played 25 matches for Poland. So something does not add up here...
Idk about his specific case but it seems to be allowed if you've lived there continuously for x years (thus preventing the Qatar case where they just threw money at random players who didn't even live/play there to naturalise them).
Latest case i know is Dean Huijsen (Juve player on loan to Roma). Dutch-born, both parents are Dutch, moved to Spain with his family as a child. Was a Dutch national but recently became Spanish citizen and got called up to Spanish NT training camp.
@@trashAndNoStar Yeah, Roger Guerreiro was playing in Polish league for few years before getting the citizenship. So probably this video just oversimplified.
@Hadar1991 usually if you become a naturalized citizen they allow it. How that's different from what Qatar did is a thin line in a rule book. However it makes more sense for kids that spent years in a new country like Messi being asked to play for Spain. It's very tricky to say the least
How does the ancestral cap work with adopted players? 😅
Probably depending on the the passport aka 5 years living in that country
That loophole Qatar took advantage of should be closed in rugby also. There are players (Michael Leitch for instance) who play for a country they have no ancestral link to.
No ancestral link should be acceptable but only if you grew up there (obviously)
Leitch went to high school in Japan and has lived there ever since. I don't see anything wrong with his eligibility.
I'd retract this by saying why shouldn't he be allowed to play for Japan?! Why should he remain in the international wilderness?
Gosh, imagine if the various Pacific Islanders seeded through all the international rugby teams were allowed to play for their home nations instead of being swiped by the richer ones. NZ, Aus, England etc would never see the world cup in their cabinets again!
absolutely no one in Japan would say Michael Leitch is not Japanese
What, are we requiring DNA tests now?
The Irish guy wasn't happy about rice😂😂
plenty of other irish guys were aswell
I don't get the ancestral link part. It can only be for naturalized players I guess otherwise it eliminates too many actual citizens. Eg You are an American citizen because you were born there but no ancestry as your parents are from somewhere else. Does that mean you couldn't represent the US?
No
So lets say your us american (born and raised) but your father is born in canada and your mother in mexico, additionally your grandparents are from (born in) germany, italy,france and england. My understanding is that you would be eligable for all of those countries. it gets even more complicated if youd move to lets say brazil as a child, i think that would add to the list if you stay there long enough.
Portugal with Deco and pepe
They were Brazilians. Almost all Brazilians have some Portuguese roots.
I reckon this rule is for irshell they get away with anything
Play for the country that you were born in or the country that you've lived most of your life in. Anything more is unnecessary.
Wait.. how Camavinga plays for France then? He was not born in there neither are his parents. Не just immigrated there as a child and have a citizenship. Does this count as ancestral link?
You answered your question. He has French citizenship making him eligible to play for France
This why teams like your england are nearly central african teams? France and netherlands etc.
Tifo didn't add that being born/being raised in a country is enough for you to represent that country. Also apart from Brobbey and Frimpong every Dutch player has an ancestral link to the Netherlands.
@Ewerboweski Is that a problem ?
Players shouldn't be allowed to switch
🙄after money
The good old times when Qatar did not dictate FIFA's policies
Misleading title. You're talking about Association Football, not football.
It's called football
@@skoczek777 no, it isn't. Football is this 🏈 and is thrown. Association Football is this ⚽ and is kicked. Feel free to look it up and educate yourself.
That’s a lie, i come from a mexican family, and i was born there. My parents moved to the usa when i was 1. I am currently 18. Have lived here my whole life. And I could play for the usmnt
If you have American citizenship, yes, you could represent the US
Meanwhile Joel Embid who plays in the nba has switched nationalities 3 times.😂
Why german based Brazilian players though...
Paulo Fink?
@@skoczek777 idk
FIFA is weak for that idc what rethoric you’d use.. it is just ridiculous
"katsar" zestiest way to say qatar
Inb4 people bringing up France for no valid reason
It’s cause we’re the best, no one talks about Belgium and their Congolese players or Italy with their South American players but want to complain about players born, raised, and bred in France just because of how successful and talented they are.
@@nathan225Belgium and Congolese is a very tricky case
Any nation that lets itself be replaced by others is morally sick.
That's that
@@josuebarboza9809 No one is "replacing" anyone, you're making an argument based on a false premise.
@@MrJorge3010 they're literally being replaced in the national team.
Once Qatar took advantage of a system that Europeans benefit from, the rules were changed. Typical western lore
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How far does the "lineage" have to go. Does this rule apply for France???
The rule is that you must have been born in the country, have lived there for at least two years prior to turning 18, or have a parent or grandparent who was born there.
Yes, otherwise these players couldn't represent France.
Every single one of them has either at least one grandparent from the country they represent or had been born there.
@@robs7163two years before 18 is way too short. They should apply something like staying in a country for 200 days within 10 consecutive years before 18, in some ways similar to how taxation or visa works for working adults. It's still too easy for some nations to mess around.
@@sususegar I just looked it up to make sure I was remembering it correctly and it turns out I was not quite. If you or your parents/grandparents are not born to a country, you must have been a resident of that country for at least five years if your residency began at age ten or older, or at least three years if that residency began at less than ten years. In addition, you must have a valid passport of the nation which you wish to represent.
I also forgot to mention that you can also be eligible to represent a country if either of your parents are citizens of that country at the time of your birth - even if they were not born there.
@@sususegar in other words, if you and your immediate ancestors were not born to or citizens of a particular country, you must have lived in that country from before you turned 13 to be eligible for them
Please note: this rule is not applicable to French national team
French national team are allowed to rule africa
almost all of the french national team were born in france, and have lived there long enough
It's so stupid so just because they happen to be African but born, bread and raised in France, they can't represent it?
@@gautman-t7wthey’re not French, they’re african
What about musiala
Country of birth only 😢
France: Imma pretend I didn't here that 👀
African player play for some European teams🏃
I dont understand the FIFA, why not allow player transfers in national teams? And the FIFA gets a 10% fee of each transfer?
Probably because this is too fundamental for them. Mafia also has rules.
@@skoczek777 That makes sense
International eligibility rules are a joke. Guehi, Konsa, Mainoo, Eze, Saka. None of these are English yet all play for England.
Saka is from London, so is Konsa, Guehi has lived in the UK since he was one year old, Mainoo is from Stockport and Eze is from Greenwich.
@@irishgodfatherchris I don't care where they were born. None of them are ethnically English
@@Darth_Benga National teams are about nationality not ethnicity
Going by your stone-age standards, no countries in the America and Oceania continents could put together enough players for a single team. Good thing we dont go by that 🤷.
@@trashAndNoStar only Europe is diluted in this way. You don't see it happening to African or Asian teams so your takedown of my "stoneage" standards is flat out wrong
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I thought Aussies called it soccer?
They call it soccer, so?
Rice is a nobody.
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Why do Irish people cry over Declan Rice so much?? His only connection to Ireland is his paternal Grandparents, not exactly Shane MacGowan is he😂😂. All players want is game time, so they play wherever they can until they can play where they want. Loads of players do this, half the bloody Scotland team are Englishman who couldn’t make it into the England squad. Get over it. And you shouldn’t need or want plastic paddys in your team anyway.
To speak for myself, I wouldn't want Declan rice in the team, same with kane and grealish and every other English player eligible for Ireland. The reason people don't like Declan rice is because he played for us at senior level (and kissed the badge) before switching to England, and if you know the history between England and ireland, you can begin to understand why he gets so much hate.
He loves both ireland and England. Both are part of him so I really don't see why he as to hate one. People taking their politics and trying to makr it his problem.
@@lyndaek99except it literally was his problem for most of his life until it suddenly became beneficial to turn a blind eye.
@@aR0ttenBANANA what was his problem his whole life? That he played for ireland then switched? That not his problem that's yours.
Where is the clear ancestral link between the "French" players and 19th century french citizens
@logistaur salty coloniser , what were 19th century French Citizens doing in Africa ?
@@cryptocsguy9282 lmao cope harder, that does changed what i said
@@logistaur France and Africa is forever linked now due to those French colonisers to the point it's affecting sports , deal with it. if you didn't want black players playing for France should have told those colonisers to stay at home
Qatar is still annoying tifo. Good job Qatar!
So Qatar beefed up their team in 2004, hoping to use those players 20 years later in the 2022 world cup, or why was it relevant to mention them? Other countries have more recent example.
Uh....it's relevant because that was what caused FIFA to change the rules?
@@anthonyfoco6396 So no other countries have been doing it before that? Matter of fact the current rules about ancestry makes it possible for some countries to stack up talent, as long as they can show some ancestor of a player who grew up with immigrant parents is eligible to represent their great grandfather's country.... And that my friend, is how you reach 2 World Cup finals in a row, 2018 & 2022.
@@oslonorway547Other countries have been doing it, Puskas for example played for Spain later in his career. He of course at least lived in the country, unlike the almost-Qataris, Fifa decided to step in at that point, so of course it is mentioned. Also it is not like you can go through medieval records to find the one ancestor you need to play for any country you want to, grandparents are the furthest generation you are allowed to go back to and from all the players France used in the final 2022 just two were not born in France. One of them is Thuram, whos dad played for France and was born there, it just so happened that Marcus Thuram was born while his dad played for Parma, so the family temporarily lived there. This leaves Camaving who was born in Angola to Congolese parents but lived in France since the age of two. It’s up to you whether you think that he should be eligible for France, I absolutely think so, since he probably doesn’t even have any memory from before they moved to France where he was raised but claiming that France abuses the system on any significant scale is just wrong.
@@BeWe1510 France isn't abusing it, they deserve it. Countries should be able to give citizenship to anyone as far as they meet the requirements for earning citizenship like any other regular person. And anyone who gains citizenship through the standard requirement (not fast tracking or exceptional routes), and hasn't played for any other country before, should be allowed to play for their new country. The current system is causing lots of talent to go to waste. Imagine how many Peles, Puskas and Messis aren't discovered internationally because they come from a corrupt country that won't give them international playing time, but it's too late to leave to become eligible elsewhere. For example the entire Nigerian national team is made up of England rejects who quickly pledged allegiance before they are too old, and while there they have to pay exorbitant bribes and continuous Mafia money to the federation from their annual club salaries, just to be part of that country's National team in tournaments. It was either that, or never play international football ever. Til this day you have young players "refusing to decide yet what country to represent," but actually it just means they're waiting for the better country to call them up. By the time they are past their peak, they rush to beg and bribe their parents country to play international football, for example the Inaki Williams at Athletic Bilbao who was better than his younger brother at the same age, but didn't play for Spain and now he is aging had to return to beg Ghana to play in Qatar. Meanwhile his younger brother already tasted World Cup games as a high school teenager for Spain.
@@BeWe1510 You forgot the a in Eduardo's surname. It's Camavinga, not Camaving. Other than that, everything else you said was spot on.
The background music is used for a video where jesus christ from Brazil starts flying and lazed mouths a pride parade
Stupid ruling. Players should be allowed to be bought
I hope rice and grealish is banned from entering the Republic 🤣
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Imagine if fhey didn't change the rules and there were like 9 Brazilian players playing for a country like China or Qatar. That would be insane.
In November 2007, FIFA President Sepp Blatter told the BBC: "If we don't stop this farce, if we don't take care about the invaders from Brazil towards Europe, Asia and Africa then, in the 2014 or the 2018 World Cup, out of the 32 teams you will have 16 full of Brazilian players."
There were at least two Brazilians in the Russian team, but to be fair they were playing in Russia for years.
China has made football mandotary in schools. If they do that for a decade or 2 it will integrate in their culture and they will produce more higher skilled players. I mean if u have more than a billion citizens. There should be 11 skilled players by math I think?
You should look at futsal national teams from Azerbaijan, Russia or Kazakhstan, they're full of Brazilian players
I’m always fishy of national team players not speaking the national language.
A rare example of footballs governing bodies making a good decision
extremely rare
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Back then, you could even *win the World Cup* with a nation and still switch. I was surprised to learn that Alcides Ghiggia, the Uruguay player who scored in the 1950 World Cup final, then went to Italy and played for the Azzurri. Can you imagine if, say, Griezmann switched nations and played for Portugal after scoring in a World Cup final?
Even legends like Alfredo Di Stefano or Puskas played for multiple national teams.
Wait, was Puskas naturalized to Spanish right?@@battistoberhoel8839
Apparently some argentinians switched to Italy as well between world cups. I just saw it on Football Iconic's Spain NT vid
AC Milan legend Jose Altafini, also known as “Mazzola” in Brazil, won the 1958 WC for Brazil but represented Italy in the next WC in 1962.
He better play for Germany ha ha
Declan Rice was capped at senior level for Ireland, even won FAI young player of the year
Playing for England definitely the right decision though....seeing as he's English...
@@listeywonder why he played for Ireland then isn't it?
@@listey If he was English he probably shouldn't have accepted senior call-ups and not kissed the Ireland badge, then... Seeing as he's English.
@@listeywith the most English name of Declan
@@ALittleMessihear any Irish in his voice?
Back in the day players could play in a World Cup for one team then Switch to another team
Lmfao, madness.
Some of the Argentina squad that played the 1930 WC won the 1934 WC with Italy I believe
@@JustKrin Monti
di stefano literally played for 3 nation
An ancestral link is OBVIOUSLY not required.
No, the video gets it wrong. It's either ancestral link OR having lived in the country you're a citizen of continuously for more than five years. There are cases of people being given citizenship to represent a national team e.g. Fernandes who played RB for Russia, he was from Brazil but had lived in Russia long enough for him to be allowed to play for them.
All the Requirements to Playing for a National Team
A player can play for a country if they:
1. Are born in the country,
2. Have an ancestral link to a country that allows them to gain citizenship (the furthest ancestral link FIFA accepts is through a grandparent),
3. Obtain naturalisation to a country they have no ancestral link to and after living in the country for at least 5 years (the rule to counter the Qatar farce).
A player can swap countries if they have any of these 3 links to another country and aren't cap-tied to their current country. A player becomes cap-tied to a country by:
1. Playing 1 game for that country at a major tournament (continental or international),
2. Earning their 4th cap for that country as a senior player under the age of 21,
3. Being 21 or older having already represented that country at any level (youth or senior) at least once,
4. Representing a new country at least once after swapping allegiances.
A player can only swap national teams once in their career.
@@clwiregor like LeNormand in Spain he has 0 ancestral links to Spain but played in Spain since he was 18
yeah, i think what it should say instead is "meeting the country's criteria for citizenship"
Considering the landscape of international football isn't meant to be skewed by transfers like club football, and players are playing for their own national pride rather than money/ambition, more should be done in the rules to protect its integrity.
Allowing players like Rice and Grealish to get Rep. of Ireland fans' hopes up only to then rediscover their Englishness when it suited their careers makes a mockery of it and creates unnecessary hostility.
More responsibility (i.e. rules) should be placed on players at the outset of their intentional careers to understand that once they have made their choice, they can't switch to a different team. Whether it be a youth game or a friendly.
Even as an Englishman whose team benefitted on this occasion, I was unhappy that the rules allowed Rice and Grealish to switch.
Belgium and Holland lose a lot of good Moroccans who play for their youth teams...
@@GuntherSDoumson2178 That's fine. It was great seeing Morocco's performance in the last WC
The issue is that if the rules are stricter, then countries are going to try and cap players ASAP to lock them down. Which is a bad thing.
You don't want national FA's putting pressure on 17 year olds.
Yes, but rice and grealish are clearly English, so you can't blame them
@lordfridge491 then its not really Moroccans from morocco that are playing 😂 u people have no shame thats why i have so much respect for most of europe and latin america they almost always have people from their country playing for them
Look at Indonesia national team. Some of the players are EU based and couldn’t even speak the Indonesian language, but since they have Indonesian grandparents it’s fine
Not some of them, most of them are EU based and don't speak Indonesian, they are also usually born to at least 1 Indonesian parent which makes them Indonesian at least according to Indonesia, yes some were naturalised but a lot were already eligible as far as Indonesia was concerned. Yesterday they beat the Phillipines whose 35 year old striker is from Sweden with a team that had 7 players who were born in the Netherlands.
What colonialism does to a mf
Could be say the same as Malaysia too. There could be many Malaysian blood out there without even need naturalisation.
Seems fair enough? They have a clear ancestral link to their country. No different to Antonio playing for Jamaica.
Don’t see why that’s an issue? Especially if they’re clearly the better players, use them to build your way up the rankings, get more funding and then invest that in local grassroots. This has been a thing all over the world for decades
Imagine if rice and grealish stayed in the irish system. We might acctually qualify for something
Agree 💯 and technically Jude Bellingham could have played for Ireland because he's Irish on his dad's side and I believe has Irish citizenship but I imagine they all want to have to win at least one World Cup during the course of their career and it's more feasible doing that playing for England as opposed to playing for Ireland
Kubala and di Stefano played for Spain in the 1950s… crazgy😊😊😊
but also if you were born or even just lived there for a certain number of years before a certain age
All the Requirements to Playing for a National Team
(clarifying the mistakes in this short)
A player can play for a country if they:
1. Are born in the country,
2. Have an ancestral link to a country that allows them to gain citizenship (the furthest ancestral link FIFA accepts is through a grandparent),
3. Obtain naturalisation to a country they have no ancestral link to and after living in the country for at least 5 years (the rule to counter the Qatar farce).
A player can swap countries if they have any of these 3 links to another country and ARE NOT cap-tied to their current country. A player becomes cap-tied to a country by:
1. Playing 1 game for that country at a major tournament (continental or international),
2. Earning their 4th cap for that country as a senior player under the age of 21,
3. Being 21 or older having already represented that country at any level (youth or senior) at least once,
4. Representing a new country at least once after swapping allegiances.
A player can only swap national teams once in their career. They can only reverse the decision IF they fail to make an appearance for the new national team (which would have cap-tied them otherwise).
the irish guy is foaming at the mouth at the mention of declan rice
Those damn English, first they took our potatoes then they took our rice.
Fifa has a much different definition of "clear ancestral line" than most people do lol
Actually, their definition is very in line with most citizenship laws. Most countries in the world offer citizenship by decent, where you can become a citizen to the country through a family connection (in most cases, through a parent, grandparent or great grandparent). With FIFA, the furthest connection they allow is a grandparent so it's practically the same...
Basically, a way for first world countries to poach the best of the developing world while barring anything those countries could do to build a team/structure for the future. I get why they did it, but you have to admit there's a bit of weirdness here.
It's the other way around. Something like a fourth of top African players are born and grew up in France.
The great training and infrastructure their top players receive in Europe is the only reason any developing African national teams are competitive at all since their own leagues are all underdeveloped in comparison.
@@tim..indeed yeah. The best in Africa. That's not a high bar. Face it: most of the best of those countries don't even play for those countries.
What irritates me is you guys don't even have the good grace to accept when stuff like this benefits you. You have this weird need to try and run from it. Why? At the end of the day, does you trying to bs your way past it make a difference to us in the rest of the world? No. So what's the point?
Indonesia:🗿
If Rice just held out for England, no one in Ireland would be angry. He's quite obviously English. He should have never declared if he had no interest in sticking around. Jack Grealish at least never played for us at senior level. We're a country, not a club to use as a stepping stone.
France has been really quiet since this dropped.
Tifo didn't add that being born in a country is enough for FIFA to recognize you as elligible to represent that country.
@WONMARK most of their black players were born in France
All this hassle, and yet countries can have coaches from any country they want
They need to get rid of the 5 year citizenship rule and go back to origin, France & England for example, mbappe and saka should be playing for African nations, not European ones
Mbappe literally born in Paris and Saka in London. So they are literally eligible by birth whether you like it or not
Look at Frances current squad and you tell me whether it represents France
Yes it represents France. Most of the players are born there.
Yeah they were born there, mate
Where am I going to be able to get the book?
11:48 & 12:32
Someone explain laportes switch to me please. Wasn't he 27 when he switched?
Ancestry? DNA tests r illegal in Israel...how r u gonna check them
So is genocide but they do it anyway.
DNA tests are not the measure of one's nationality.
FIFA cares only about your parents and grandparents anyways. If they're Israeli citizens, you're eligible.
DEI only when it is good.....south of Gibraltar 😢
Argentina players can play for Germany 👏👏
If they diminution change this Rules..
We will see Qatar play with UN national team xD
I dont like it. If you move to a different country as a kid for example and later become a citizen, thats your home, even if you dont technically have ancestry there.
It should be more along the lines of you cant just get citizenship for the competition. You should have actually lived in that country for a decent amount of time in the past maybe?