Testing Every Relevant Weapon for Boss DPS in The Final Shape (Still Hunt, Euphony, Microcosm)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ค. 2024
- This one's a long one, but there's been a lot of changes over this patch that I've had to cover. Sit back, relax, and enjoy me going over every potentially relevant DPS weapon in The Final Shape.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:51 Supplemental damage intro
02:36 Witherhoard vs. Lost Signal
03:30 Anarchy vs. Dragon's Breath
04:03 The decline of swap specials
06:04 Lucky Pants hand cannon hierarchy
06:29 Exotic primary ranking
07:10 Outbreak nanite scaling and comparisons
08:05 Rockets vs. GLs
09:33 Still Hunt analysis
10:40 Dragon's Breath analysis
11:30 Legend of Acrius analysis
11:59 Leviathan's Breath analysis
12:25 Whisper of the Worm analysis
12:52 One Thousand Voices analysis
13:14 Cloudstrike analysis
14:02 Microcosm analysis
15:00 Sleeper Simulant and Thunderlord analysis
15:23 Two-Tailed Fox with Facet of Command analysis
16:07 Pack Hunter with Relentless Strikes
18:00 Sword DPS ranking
19:18 Swords vs. other heavies
19:57 Pack Hunter with Cold Steel
20:33 Heartshadow vs. The Lament
21:33 Note on Pack Hunter exceptions
21:44 Ergo Sum update
22:56 Merciless analysis
23:33 Parasite analysis
24:14 The Prospector analysis
24:42 D.A.R.C.I. analysis
25:46 Truth analysis
25:58 Euphony analysis
29:54 Bastion analysis
30:36 The Queenbreaker analysis
31:07 Deathbringer update
31:36 Ager's Scepter analysis
32:33 Grand Overture analysis
33:28 Salvation's Grip analysis
34:07 Critical Anomaly with Chill Clip analysis
35:12 Linear fusion rifle (Scintillation) analysis
36:51 Machine gun (Hammerhead and aggressives) analysis
37:45 Summary
40:21 Outro - เกม
Some small notes:
- Grand Overture, much like every other weapon here, was tested with a simulated Lumina + No Hesitation buff, which is equal (or greater if you include the latter) to Hazardous Propulsion's 35% global empowering buff, and so the numbers you see in this video are as good as it gets for the weapon: the same buff as HP (except it buffs the regular shots and not just the volley)
- Euphony's damage does not increase significantly as a result of equipping Swarmers, as all that does is apply unravel to the target, which is something that you can do by just throwing out an Arcane Needle on damage start, something you can do with any other warlock damage option
Please check the spreadsheet for additional info before commenting if you have any questions or feedback to give :)
Literally posted a comment asking about Swarmers on Euphony before I saw this, lol. So do you think Apotheosis the clear winner then for Euphony builds? Since even considering the entire sandbox, Euphony ammo is probably mostly saved for boss damage, I guess? So anything that maximizes that potential would be the best fit for it
Question: does Ergo Sum Wolfpack apply to other users’ Ergo Sum swords, despite them being exotic? If so, does the projectiles count towards The Perfect Fifth?
We also no longer have surges in raids and dungeons. For the sake of comparison that does not matter, but just to reiterate the beginning of the video.
Do you have a video that explains how to deciver the spreadsheet?
can't believe thunderlord is still the best dps, i keep using it, thanks for the info!
Can't wait to show all my lfg's who the real final boss is.
Thunderlord never leaves my heavy slot… LFGS hate me out dpsing them
@@marianomarchione6242 thunderlord is good don't get me wrong but they must be really bad if they're getting out dpsed by thunderlord lol
*Microcosm
What other guns do you use with thunderlord?
It’s so cool to see that even after all these years, coldheart is still the best dps option
So true
I'm already seeing laser beams everywhere LMAO
Now for the ultimate meme, quadruple Lazer beam.
In season of the deep it was my go to for damage in a crown of tempest build I had. I had 100% up time on all abilities and pretty comparable damage to people using apex predator (100-400k less damage if they had/didn’t have surges)
so my takeaway from this video after watching it all is that;
-edge transit and rockets are still good, but edge transit is better for ease of use, total damage and overall dps without needing someone to run ghorn, and it’s also the best option if your on a warlock/titan for dps.
-still hunt is the best dps special and overall damage if your on a hunter using celestial. basically it’s so good that it blows everything out of the water when you throw in apex predator and holster mods. (edit: just announced its getting a 25% nerf in august, it’s still going to be top tier, just not as good as it is now, if your combining it with apex predator your still going to be doing extremely good damage).
-swords are in a good place esp with ergo sum buffing them, and summum bonnum is pretty much the new winner in terms of raw damage in the right situation in terms for swords.
-microcosm, levis breath, whisper etc. are all good consistent options for dps
-euphony is a good special, it’s good on its own but better as a dump special after you’ve dumped all your heavy. it also really highlights how bad linears are. Cloudstrike is also extremely good as a dps special.
-linears are just straight up bad, not worth using besides euphony. euphony highlights how bad this is based upon how it outdamages even the best heavy linear in damage.
I really do wish Linears were good again, kind of sucks they took the 15% nerf in lightfall and have been powercrept to hell and back. probably the only heavy weapon class that really needs to be looked at and buffed, really do feel like they should bridge the gap between dps and full damage, like more dps than whisper while having good respectable damage, i get during the witch queen era they were a bit problematic (mainly because of div, which is a problem that’s already been dealt with) but nowadays they don’t really see much use outside of niche situations. with whisper basically being back on top and having weapons like still hunt and euphony who do their job better, if not by much more than heavy linears. i do hope bungo reverts the 15% nerf and gives them something more.
@aegis what would you pair with edge transit for after the dump? Feel like void specials are lacking...
Nessas oblation, the 2023 glaciocasm (overflow controlled burst), and wilderflight seem like the most optimal, but personally I'd just use izi
@@brendanlandine8824you're right good void damage specials are lacking, barely any of them run vorpal with the exceptions of some shotguns that are better off for double pellet
@@brendanlandine8824fugue is the best special void weapon to pair with edge, either that or use mahees with lucky pants
if your using kinetic, id personally iza or if you need a special; father's sin and the other void specials mentioned by others in the comments would work.
Man, hearing lament is now one of the worst sword options for dps genuinely shattered my heart. I absolutely adored that thing ever since it came out and ran it whenever I could. Only recently did I find myself not enjoying it as much and having numbers back that up solidifies its spot in my vault. I’ll be waiting for its glorious return.
The king will return soon 😤
I’m personally glad because I always fell asleep trying to complete that expansion, so I never unlocked Lament, and I was tired of LFG’s telling me to go get it when I had a perfectly usable Goldtusk and Falling Guillotine
😢I'm still out DPSing other swords with Lament on Harold.
@@jheun83your anecdote is the result of lfg (or your friend group) being horrendous at damage, not a reflection of the weapon in your hand.
@@jheun83 You would also do a lot more damage if you used something else
thunderlord and microcosm is the definition of "put on a shirt" vs "empowering" meme
Favorites of Titans, everywhere. They can eat their crayons and still DPS.
Micro is soooooo nasty tho wardens luckys and micro bottom slot double kinetic surge mods 😩
@@stickupkydd9454 Yes, but on hunter, still hunt exists so put that suboptimal loadout away and get with the meta
@@Real28no there fave is hazourdous propolsion. Otherwise they get kicked for "not having enough dmg"
you're definitely old if you still think about that meme wtf
Everybody: wondering if Aegis is dead
Aegis: Releases enough testing footage to be longer than the ENTIRETY OF DESPICABLE ME
"How long is your shift today?" "4.38 Dispicable Mes." Free Sketch.
Lament is one of the most baffling nerfs they've ever made considering only legendary swords got better with wolfpack rounds.
It's not really - the 2nd encounter in the Salvation's Edge raid is sword-heavy, and if everyone used Lament it'd be too easy. So they nerfed Lament to the point of being laughable now, considering they also added the new Ergo Sum and Wave Frame swords. It makes complete sense to nerf Lament but they went too far. The second it was announced, plenty were suspecting a Sword encounter in the new raid and they were right.
lament gets wolfpack
@@EatsUsedTP ...
@@EatsUsedTPthe brain dead thrall have come out to feast
@@jay-5061 I shall continue spreading misinformation
One argument with Ill Omens: Attrition Orbs allows it to self generate stacks to use for Argent Blade as well as surges. A single heavy I believe on casters is 10 hits so every heavy you're getting an orb. In most scenarios it wont mean much if you already have other members generating orbs too but I think it's something to consider for solo players or random match making.
We do use Attrition in SE speedruns for Herald for this very reason!
Would love to see a Boss damage Bootcamp series (of) video(*s) to help those of us new(er) to raiding etc requiring hints & tips + to up our dmg output.
Going in-depth on rotations would be huge, agree
TLDR: Taipan still clears (trust me)
Thank you for all your work and time putting everything here together, it’s so frustrating seeing other damage tests and things don’t feel explained or tested thoroughly, or not even consistent across tests with wildly inaccurate numbers to back that up. You and the peeps helping you are amazing!
Was going into withdrawals before this was uploaded. Thanks Aegis!
my opinion has arrived
thank god i don’t have to think anymore
wake up babe aegis just uploaded
Just wanted to let you know that I love these videos / spreadsheets so much. I've been playing destiny for a long time (mostly PvP), but never had the confidence to push into higher difficulty PvE stuff due to a lack of knowledge of what I should bring. Cleared my first GMs via LFG this week, and even ended up helping someone else get their first GM clear!
that is a lot of work my guy. very much appreciated.
You just gained a subscriber ! Amazing video.
Hope to see Hazardous Propulsion dame testing in the future for our fellow titans
Love your work! Thank you so much for everything youve done for the community.
Gods work. Thank you Aegis. The wait for your content is always worthwhile.
Hearing how Lament got hit hard and isn’t doing much for DPS sword wise hurts man. It’s one of my top 5 exotics that I love and hearing how it’s struggling this much and how badly Bungie nerfed it sucks. I really wish it ends up getting some buff or catalyst in the near future. Like Argent Blade or something, literally anything.
Nerfed and power crept at the same time. Just like LFRs the year before.
Aegis, as always great video! Thanks for doing this for the community.
Our data analyst cooked hard, thanks for the work. Can't wait for part 2 !
Have you tested ill omen with attrition orbs? It keeps radiant, argent ordinance, and surges active. If with 6 of them you can get another super off in a phase then it could be very good
Very good vid! Lots of work and we appreciate it!
love your content, so valuable. thanks again!
I’ve been waiting for this video since TFS launched!!
Always a W when aegis uploads
You're amazing, man. This has got to be so much work
It is indeed, but the work's been done for a while, now I'm just turning it all into videos :P
how about the banner of war post-nerf? i tested it on warlock's ruin first boss with BoW + Syntho + 1-2 punch + tractor + shield crush, the damage is 488k per hit (244k*2). i wanna know titan grapple melee dps is still worth it or not since the grapple melee damage rotation itself is so hard to perform without making mistakes, it needs high affort but is that worth it?
It's not bad still usable
What's the play for witness damage on warlock and titan?
Thanks for the numbers.
Would MARSILION-C (hvy SOLAR gl) with envious + full court, paired with stillhunt, be better than edge transit for say witness dps?
Potentially, will test
Full court only buffs the explosive portion of the GLs damage by 25%, and since marsilion is a 150rpm that means the blast radius is extremely low so full court is not as good.
What would be the best option to pair with cloudstrike for a longer dmg phase i.e. the witness? My choices are auto loading full court/EL/cascade wendigo or recon EL crux termination (no wolfpack).
Both fine
so for warlock and titans we do cloudstrike and crux termination/wendigo or should we go still hunt and apex rotation? Also can bns edge transit with still hunt swap but with full void surge be better on titan or warlocks compared to still hunt and apex combo?
I'll test rotations specifically later this season but Apex's better perks might outweigh the decision
@@TheAegisRelic Thank you brother
These videos really help put things into mathematical perspective. Thanks for the work you do, although gruelling.
ive been using my legendary blast furnace over outbreak, and it is amazing. curious what the dps would be. my roll is frenzy kinetic tremors with a 60 rnd mg
How do you get the DPS values and percentages showing during the encounter at the bottom of the screen in white font?
Destiny Damage Tracker (A2TC)
@TheAegisRelic do you have a video showing how to set that up?
Nice to see that Thunderlord is still the highest DPS option with all these amazing options available now. Great testing!
my goat is back with more funny numbers so I can pretend to know what I'm doing
I THOUGHT I WAS AWAKE BUT THEN AEGIS UPLOADED. NOW IM AWAKE 🔥🔥🔥
You are seriously a godsend to the community bro. Such an underrated channel. Thank you for all your hard work!
For summum bonum is that assuming chaos reshaped is already at x2 at the start of dps? Does chaos reshaped work like shot caller did in pantheon where you can hit something while its immune to get it going before dps phase starts?
Yes, and it works on any damage received/given so you just need to be in combat
Great video!! Thanks for the work bro!!
Where did you get a health bar overlay? I need this.
Destiny Damage Tracker by A2TC
Does anyone know if the new titan chest buffs grand overture missles? And if so what is that damage difference?
It does and it's 35%
One combo I've been trying is Euphony swapping to Cataphract with ALH + Cascade point. Curious on your thoughts if you've tried it. The cascade point lets you dump the mag and get back to Euphony before the spindle stacks fall off.
Will try it out!
For titan or warlock with cloudstrike what roll of wendigo are we recommending? Auto+EL or Auto+cascade?
Auto Cascade or I believe Full Court if you value total damage
@@TheAegisRelic Thanks!
Random question but you mentioned star eaters nova bomb, is that actually better than star eaters needle storm?
nevermind i shoulda finished the video first lol
Ty for the numbers again :) i can definitely speak for acrius with it's ease of use and very good damage, was doing salvations edge for the first time and everyone else was on swords while i was on acrius for herald of finality, and i was always at double the damage of everyone else at the wipe screen. I was also wondering if cloudstrike+crux with hazardous propulsion is a viable dps option for stuff like witness (im a titan main so i don't have access to celestial) and i was relieved to see you recommending it. Keep up the great work you do for this community
Sorry for the question, but what’s the diff between burst and sustained DPS? Thanks
On the Sustained tab Burst is shot-to-shot and Sustained is full reserve dump
What about Dragon's Breath and Scatter Signal? It's a simple swap that I do quite often in a lot of content, and I would like to know how it fares with other damage options
Unsure how valuable this is but something I like about Euphony is that it procs cascade point in just two crits, less than one burst. I could see it making a great pairing with a cascade/bns heavy GL. I've been using it with an autoloading/cadcade Cataphract. Probably not optimal but dumping the nades with cascade gives me plenty of time to switch back to Euphony to keep the spindle damage buff going, and it makes good backup DPS once I've dumped all the nades. Double strand is nice for surges also.
He's officially done it, now I don't need another Aztecross video for 6 months😂
Would you mind testing Microcosm + Hazardous Propulsion? If you have a Song of Flame warlock alongside you, you pretty much have 100% uptime on your Thruster, and you can stack the rockets really quickly with Microcosm. I've been using it for Witness DPS, and it's a pretty easy-to-use option that can still pump out huge numbers.
Appreciate you. Excited for your thoughts on Song of Flame, star eater Song of Flame, and Song of Flame with a demo GL/rocket.
If you’re in a solo situation trying to get boss kills in less phases, is it dps or total damage you want? Trying to “farm”Warlords Ruin and sometimes I don’t wanna LFG and am fine with less drops
It really depends. If you have a 5 second damage window dps would be better. If you have time to burn all of your ammo then total damage is what you want. It really depends on the damage phase there is no correct answer here.
Love the work you do, thanks for everything you provide the Destiny community.❤
Great video. Cant wait to see if OG Verity options can still beat prismatic Veritys (Inmost light/Apotheosis/...). Especially without the teammate buff on the Spirits
Let's go I don't have to think now. Tysm cutie
is vorpal still bugged when you swap the weapon? also Levi is still fps bug boosted
No and no (at least on raid bosses)
The shatter damage from glacial quake on prismatic with star eaters is so good it’s funny
What plugin is that for the damage number below the boss?
Destiny Damage Tracker (A2TC)
How does microcosm fair on bosses that it deals bonus damage to? (Does it even deal actual bonus damage to those bosses like the witness?)
It doesn't deal bonus damage to any significant bosses besides the Dual Destiny subjugators
As I don’t play anymore it is very interesting how the game has evolved thank you Aegis
maybe this is just really, really bad but what does Tessellation's grenade shot w/ Song of Flame look like?
It's not great haha you can see Tessellation swap DPS in the spreadsheet
im interested how surge matching affects lucky pants
i always wanted to use wardens law with microcosm to surge match, but i wonder how that compares to something like a vorpal Trust with dragons breath, or erianas with apex
it seems like wardens is still the best legend lucky pants option, better than malf without taken buff even, but even you do, malf can never match surges with another weapon and erianas can, but takes the exotic slot too
The nice part with euphony though is that its a special weapon with good damage but its also really good at clearing rooms with a semi decent strand/prismatic build if you build into threadlings a bit so the damage is more of a secondary part of it imo. Also just looks sick.
crazy work dude
Aegis in your opinion whats the best dps option for trio planets got 1 hunter with still hunt nighthawk and 2 warlocks? Mainly the warlocks
Probably two SES Novas I would imagine, maybe Cascade GLs?
@@TheAegisRelic thanks will be our first trio if we can figure it out and we got hard dps checked on our last attempt
Im suspectjng this is a no, but ill ask anyway, given that casting well converts casters damage to super damage, would star eaters have an effect on that damage?
(I know well doesnt appear on prismatic so its impossible [for now])
It really depends on the way it is coded but I would imagine it would work with well based off the fact that novabomb is buffed even after your super is over.
Nah I'll explain in the next video
Ergo Soom and Ty for the video!
How did you manage to get the Counter for the DMG dealt on the bottom?
I think my comment got deleted due to a link to one of his videos but its a program made by Corolla to look at the health bar for damage as its more reliable for actual damage done.
Ageis talks about the program in his "Destiny 2: Effective Damage Testing" video at 3:21.
Is cascade bait not really useful? I sharded my envious bait edge and really don’t want to have to go back and get envious bait
envious is much better for dumping which is kinda the goal with heavy gls atm. cascade isn't terrible but isnt as good overall unless you are doing a proper dps rotation.
Only for high burst scenarios
How does Hazardous Propulsion impact heavy/special use cases and decision making? Would hazardous make something like indebted kindness or the new solar rocket sidearm more valuable as a special than a 4ttc sniper for example?
It doesn't
@@TheAegisRelic I figured as much, the rocket sidearms can only be so good at so many things
is cloudstrike or izagani's a better dps option for oryx?
Izi if paired with a swap rotation
How does Revision Zero sit in DPS with Vorpal and/or FTTC vs other primaries?
Added, making a short soon
@@TheAegisRelic I really do appreciate all the hard work you do, man. Thanks for the reply!
Dude your vids are amazing thak you so much !
I still have a quick : What do you recommend to supplement the dps of a (Titan) Tractor user ? Preferably in slot 1. I'm using Scater signal with Overflow and Controled Burst, but i wonder if there's anything beter i can use
That's a good starting choice, double sniper or double slug are also fine
@@TheAegisRelic i'm affraid i'll struggle with no primary
You can run rocket sidearm until damage then swap
@@TheAegisRelic oh yeah okay, thanks dude!
Man you are amazing love your content keep it up❤
really early into the video still but I'm happy to see that lost signal is competitive with witherhoard
kneel for the king
tongue out or nah
What's my best option if I just want a lazy easy but consistent dps option?
The absolute laziest you can get while still doing alright dmg is Microcosm. The *only* thing you have to worry about is using an instant cast super/dmg super (which you're probably doing anyway) before you start shooting in order to get the 20% dmg buff. Very small thing to do each time that doesn't take effort.
How do you get the boss health % and number at the bottom during that Templar DPS? Or is that a spreadsheet overlay post processing?
Destiny Damage Tracker (A2TC)
@@TheAegisRelic thank you so much for the reply I'll look into it!
How safe is this to use in terms of Bungie TOS and EULA, Battleye Anti-Cheat etc?
Thanks again!
I mean it's just a visual overlay that doesn't read memory or anything, it just looks at the bottom part of your screen and counts orange pixels haha
@@TheAegisRelic Ahhhh thanks for the clarification!
I thought it reads the memory or injects into the Traffic stream, thank you again for your reply and help and all your videos, huge fan, even though I don't subscribe to most content creators I do appreciate what you do!
any chance you could do a test with hazardous with the many rockets in the game?
No need it's just a 35% buff same as Lumina so same numbers as here
I still hate how Bungie robbed Two Tailed as a viable DPS option when they changed the RoF for the catys 3rd rocket. Most exotics get their 15 minutes of fame, but Two Tailed only got 5 and it was unjustifiable for a change as drastic as that. Can you imagine the rocket meta with Gally, DBreath, Apex, Crux and TTF swap rotations? It would have been pure bliss. Especially with TTF applying void weaken or suppression effects just by using it with certain artifact mods.
Im not a huge stan of TTF but i will always back it when i say that Bungie dropped the bag with the change they gave it. Think Anakin not being a master levels of disappointment and frustration.
The real nail in the coffin was when they standardized all jolt values so TTFs Jolt no longer did more than other sources
@@warv6552so ttf is useless?😔
@@ginjadingo2941 Yeah the jolt went from like around 17,000 damage to around 4,000 which is a 76% nerf. And since it’s dps was lower than legendary rockets, that jolt was the only reason to use it in endgame content.
@warv6552 Back when the caty first dropped and people put in the grind to unlock and use it, TTF was putting up some competitive numbers, despite the jolt being out of band. It was just as easy to use as any other rocket, and if you used strand grenades that by-passed the reload, which most people were doing with gally swaps and legendary rockets to begin with. That Thump-Thump TTF had knowing you sent a 3rd rocket for extra damage was bliss. Now it's Thump-Thump-Thump, which tanks the RoF and DPS. It was so sad of a change.
@@BuckShot456789 Without the extra damage jolt it’s damage couldn’t really compare to pack Hunter lengdaries. It’s only real place was in niche solo situations like Solo prophecy speedrun on Kell Echo esp since the season that they nerfed jolt was the same season Apex Predator got refreshed and basically made every other rocket irrelevant, as well as them changing surge mods so that 3x void weapon boosts no longer benefited all 3 rockets essentially meant TTF had 1 single season where it was a competitive damage option. By the time they changed the fire rate it was basically already dead but apparently they thought it needed another nerf so now it’s dead.
Does this means should I use Cloudstrike+ Heavy GL to do DPS as a Warlock? With Rain of Fire or Strand+ Apotheosis? (I don’t have Final Shape)
You can yes
@@TheAegisRelic would that be a good dmg/dps rotation for Warlock? Or rockets+Izanagui is better right now? I wonder because I’ve been lost in damage this season because of the Light level changes
They're both fine but Cloud+HGL/Crux would be better for total damage
Cloudstrike/Crux or Wendigo would be better total but Izi rocket is fine for burst
@@TheAegisRelic I’ll try cloudstrike/Edge transit in my next raid run, thank you
Does Hazardous Propulsion make enough difference in the Grand Overture calculations to do anything?
Read pinned comment :)
Pack Hunter also makes proc'ing Attrition Orbs easier, I was making orbs nonstop at Herald
Any idea why making a copy is denied?
Make it in your own drive folder
Why are the colors inverted?
Dark mode extension since Google Docs doesn't have native dark mode on desktop yet :D
Enjoyed the streams about some things in this video and you cutting it during SE practice, keep up the good work G. You’re cooking hard!🫶🏼
has anyone tried one person on blight ranger with the other 5 on nighthawk still hunt? would be a little silly but I want to see it
Maybe interesting actually
Holy wowza all that stream time coming together to make one saucy dmg explanation papa aegis is spoiling me today
How do we get the numbers for boss health in our games?
Destiny Damage Tracker (A2TC)
Im less excited for christmas than these, bless 🙏
I have a sword combo that I dont see on the spreadsheet that consistently dumps more damage more quickly than my buddy using Bequest.
Throne Cleaver
Enhanced Duelists Trance
Enhanced Surrounded
Lucent Blade×2
Heavy Reserves
1H2L
Has this been trsted?
It's there
wow! I love airgow soom!
Have you tested dropping pyrozoa on a boss?
Aegis, Can you test the new Suspectum stasis linear fusion with enhanced envious and fourth times for total damage or enhanced Firing line for burst? Something like that if u get one anyways?
Envious Assassin does not pair well with Fourth Time's the charm due to FTTC not being able to put bullets in a mag that is overflowed, so that's out of the picture. And even if you could, not having any dmg perks on Linear's already piss poor dmg profile is not going to make it usable over anything.
Firing Line is just strictly worse than the other dmg perks we have on better linears, being 10% worse than BnS or 17% less than Enhanced Surrounded.
Not really worth testing imo