I think watching it on a streaming site, adding that distinct bootleg feeling, made it even more entertaining and disorienting. The only thing that really bothered me was the look of the end scene, Ezra looks like an animated funco pop or something, just really plastic looking.
The Writer's Strike is so confusing from the Studios perspective. For an average production, writing costs 2-5% of the production budget (so pre-advertising), for bigger budget projects, the writers often are under 1% of the production budget. The amount of money that the strike has cost the studios already _far_ exceeds Writer's Guild demands, yet the studios don't seem to watch to budge at all. They're cutting off their noses to spite their faces.
I loved the open of the move, felt like a Justice League episode from the early 00s ! Had fun, love the ending that just ended with me laughing real hard in the cinema all by myself.
The scream happened before Barry's dad walked in. The real issue is that they would've had the receipt for when his dad bought the tomato sauce and that would've shown he was at the store at the time.
if he paid with cash there wouldnt be anything tying him to it particularly. Youd have to rely on the cashier remembering him. Otherwise you just know that there is someone who bought a can of tomatoes around the same time. Thats incredibly circumstantial.
The scream happened before Barry's dad walked in, but the problem is that Barry's dad returned home close enough to the killing. So regardless of whether his face showed up on the CCTV or not, he could have returned home in time to kill the mom. Proving that the dad was at the store doesn't prove that he couldn't be home in time to kill the mom.
@@blipmachine it introduces enough reasonable doubt. Which is the entire point of the justice system. You cant prove someone absolutely innocent in a court of law. You need to prove someone guilty BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. If his alibi had proof then there is enough reasonable doubt to let him go.
Holy shit this episode is a banger. I agree with James on the flash but man that was a great convo on the movie and soulless nostalgia products as a whole
@@deveshsood6087 I didn't actually know that. Thats awful. The only reason I can think of is that Grant would've probably overshadowed Ezra miller's version
@@RamboA12 imo since gustin has already been thru this story basically and they've interacted (Ezra flash and grant flash) it could be weird Because they've both met already so they'd kinda have to acknowledge it whereas Ezra doesn't know any of the cameo characters (in universe)
Agreed. Not very familiar with or a big fan of any previous incarnations of the character. Also not nostalgic about Keaton Batman. So I had a pretty good time with the film. The thin. That hurts this film the most is that the multiverse has already been done better in a couple of movies so nothing about this one stands out. Decent but pretty forgettable.
I went in with intentions of laughing about the so called bad-CGI I've been hearing about, and I did! I laughed my ass off, but overall it was an ok movie wasn't nearly as bad as I expected
When Keaton's Batman says you've already saved me to the Flash after the first time reversal, he meant saved his life from being a recluse since they got him out of the mansion and back on mission. It wasn't fleshed out well, otherwise he was given a very route explanation of Flash's powers off-screen.
I love that Maso and James are as equally divided as the rest of the Flash watchers. I thought it was fine. The cgi, the weird cameos and the leaks definitely sucked and likely were a big part of the backlash, but I thought it had some highlights and some fun (Supergirl and Keaton being the best parts). I wonder if when they put in the work on some of the cgi, it looked worse than the rest and they decided “fuck it. Let’s just make it all look equally bad so that worse bit isn’t as jarring”
I think the speedforce visuals were a stylistic choice But everytime were there was Barry and Barry in the scene and one of them looks like an alien was absolutely not intentional
Honestly I didn't realize that they used CGI for the other Flash. I just assumed it was compositing or motion control camera rigs. I saw it in IMAX and couldn't tell anything obvious (maybe that's why the rest of the CG was so distracting, so that you didn't notice even MORE CG!)
Same, even I saw it in imax and everything looked fine to me besides the flash time jump place (which was very obvious to me it was meant to be a stylistic choice even b4 the statement came out). Idk what these boys keep complaining about, the movie was solid
Really loved how Barry spent the whole movie learning a lesson about acceptance and sacrifice only to then completely unlearn the lesson right at the end by saving his dad and still breaking the universe.
I've seen multiple reviewers mention that they had a problem with the deep fake other Flash, but I never noticed any issues with the two Ezras on screen at the same time. I guess I'll keep an eye out for it whenever I watch the movie again but it looked fine to me.
I really enjoyed the film. I didn’t expect a masterpiece, I just wanted a fun movie and personally I got what I wanted from it. I smiled through the whole thing and smiled when I walked out of the theatre. My gf has seen none of the superhero movies and she really enjoyed the story. Edit- the cgi didn’t take me out of the film at alll.
37:45 I was able to swallow it during the movie because of the circumstances of the end with the awful AWFUL faces... But the stuff with the babies in the beginning was also really bad to the point where I laughed at how stupid it looked. Didn't hate the movie though... Just yeah, let's move on to better stuff now Edit: 42:12 😂
Fun fact- I met Ezra Miller shortly after the Flash came out. Ezra made a surprise appearance performing with Jewish reggae singer Matisyahu in the tiny town of Waterville Maine (I posted video if anyone is curious WTF that looks like). They were surprisingly nice, didn't physically attack me even a little bit when we spoke. Also I said I enjoyed the Flash, even though I hadn't seen it at the time.
My biggest gripes with the film were: -No Flash Villains. (Not even Thawne), -Weird CGI where it wasn't needed. -No one has taught Ezra how to run yet. -So they show different earths colliding, and not one is Grant Gustin or John Wesley Ship? But several are Superman? And a generic Jay Garrick who may or may not be Teddy Sears. That said, I still enjoyed it. There are just a few things I'd have changed, without changing the plot much. Thawne would be involved, Flash fights a Flash Villain at the start, lets go with the Trickster (Mark Hamill of course). Show the other Flashes in the Multiverse. Actually use the actors in scenes where CGI isn't needed. Show Noras Death, Yellow Suited man and all.
I'm 100% with James on this, what a terrible excuse for a movie, I hated the plot, I hated the characters, I hated the visuals, it's all awful. There's a good story in there somewhere but it's too far in there for me to care. I did like Sasha Calle as Supergirl though, I would like to see her again.
Many scenes baffled me in this movie But the one action scene at the start really bothered me Like batman left the high-speed plane to chase a hummer on a bike only to then push it over the bridge
Glad I wasn’t the only one who liked The Flash, thought I was going crazy (not Ezra miller but still). I was surprised how much I enjoyed it. James reaction reminds me how I felt after watching Batman V Superman.
Hello, I understand this may not be the proper traditional venue for this, I'm a huge fan of the show, and the idea to post this here just kinda came to me. Imdb has deleted my review of this film on a very vague basis, and call me crazy but it seems like there's an attempt to bury any criticism of this "movie". Anywho, here's what imdb thought was inappropriate. Thank you in advance if ya actually read it. Cheers. I never thought I'd actually do this. I've seen many movies in recent years that were terrible, and I flirted with the idea of maybe typing up my thoughts to share with others, but ultimately always found an excuse not to. Not enough time, everyone's pretty much saying the same thing, not a lot to say beyond "it's bad", etc. But this is the one that did it. And honestly, I would've never predicted that. To sum up my feelings of the dceu is fairly easy. It's a mess. Whether you love it or hate it. You know it's a mess. Constantly course correcting. Absolutely no faith in their creators, characters or story telling decisions. Everything from Batman vs Superman onward has been one dramatic behind the scenes turn to the next. A flagship with no charted course. Not even a destination in mind. Both versions of Superfriends being the absolute nadir. Until we get to this load. I don't have any real interest in the allegations against Ezra Miller, honestly if the fact show business is loaded with perverts, degenerates, pederasts, etc. Is news to you, then I'd love to know what rock you crawled out from under. It must be nice there. Since the first version of Superfriends, I've hated this guy. The worst version of twerpy dork awkward guy humor. We've all seen it a thousand times. It's nothing new whether you like it or not and I understand mileage will vary person to person. But I can't stand this gas bag. His portrayal is a pathetic mishmash of Reynold's Deadpool and earnest nerdy Peter Parker. Only even more juvenile than the worst that Van Wilder has to offer. Like me, you mighta been kinda duped into seeing this because you're a 90's kid and ya love Keaton Batman. Well... I'm sorry to say that while Mr. K does his best to bring a bit of his unique weird charm to the character that he brought to Burton's films, this isn't the same character. Or rather, it's like a podperson version of '89 Batman. He says the lines, "I'm Batman.", "Let's get nuts.", but they're delivered strictly because they're callbacks. There's no emotion behind these readings. And you can tell Michael Keaton thinks it's all rather stupid. That's not the worst part. There's a reason Burton photographed Batman in the dark, at night, amongst the shadows, often in silhouette. And that's because Keaton's look doesn't work when you divorce him from that context. Burton's Gotham is entirely absent from the film, and thus Batman (Keaton's version) looks more like one of the players from the cw arrowverse, then he does the avenging caped crusader from your childhood. All of the gothic ambiance is gone, thus so is Batman's mystique. Supergirl. She could've been awesome. Actually love the suit. The actress didn't offend me. Good for her. Wished she'd actually gotten a role. Poor Micahel Shannon doesn't even want to be there. You can tell. He's all but said as much in press material leading up to this film's release. It's quite apparent. And just sad to watch. Like Keaton, it's the pale imitation of something that once held so much passion and energetic creativity. But now lies truly dead. A wraith propped up for the audience to collect more capital and dance the number everyone knows. The depiction of the time travel/speed force was bafflingly awful. It's styled in the shape of a Roman coliseum for some stupid reason and the cgi (as noted by many others) is polar express - level bad. The twist that the creature (darkflash) is actually Barry isn't a shock to anyone that's seen a movie before let alone actually familiar with the source material. The climactic battle as seen in the trailers is deflated and lame. Man of Steel had a more bombastic ending than this and that was a decade ago. Most of the fight is spent with 2 versions of Ezra Miller (God help me) bantering and reciting jokes that Reynolds crumpled up and discarded over his shoulder. Supergirl doesn't do much except die. Batman flies around a bit. Then also dies. I forgot to mention that the whole story hinges on a can of tomatoes. Perhaps it's just me, but something about that is just excessively stupid. A bad joke. And that's ultimately what this movie ended up being to me. A bad joke, told poorly. For 2 hours straight.
Can't help but feel that Gunn only going half-hearted on the reboot is going to be a mistake at this point. Loved TSS/Peacemaker and Momoa is good as Aquaman but the DCEU just feels like an extremely toxic thing to have any links to now, make a clean break and put everything into making a great Superman to build the next stuff around.
Easily worst movie ever. From twitter “The ending underminded the whole story and ruins the pay off of Barry accepting fixed points and that you learn to live with loss. Cus he just creates a second flash point.”
I can't believe you guys didnt mention that at the beginning after flash saves all the babies, he says to the woman "you should seek professional help or therapy for traumatic experiences like this, the justice league still isnt very good at the psychological part yet" If you havnt seen the film you probably think im making a joke right now, but that is a real line in the film
I really liked The Flash. For me it was the best DCEU movie. The baby shower was the only part that I was like- really? This is way too long. The rest i really liked.
Not for nothing, the CW version of Crisis had quick little scenes of Burt Ward walking a dog and Robert Wuhl sitting on a park bench and that doing that was so much more preferable to the CGI flesh puppets and cost .0001% of the budget
Re: Letters section and tattoos. My lower legs are covered in Star Wars tattoos and I've recently started on a Disney+ theme for my thighs so I can add more Marvel and Muppet things there. I've been struggling for knee themed tattoos. I had a Dis-knee already lined up. Knee-3P0 is amazing and I now plan to steal this idea. Thank you!
Andy’s answer makes sense. They had to make all the time bubble CGI faces look the same because they obviously couldn’t get new scans of Christopher Reeve or George Reeves. So you keep them ALL in a style that’s unified, the “time changing aesthetic.”
I also really appreciated them making the ones that have passed on in Black and white. It makes the difference for me between that and resurrecting tarkin
I think it's quite appropriate that the DCEU ended as it began - playing catch-up to Marvel properties that did it better, first. We did enjoy it though (even my mate who is pretty much 'done' with comic book movies) but I will say that it absolutely isn't what I would have done for the Flash's first solo outing. I was a bit disappointed that the nods towards the new DCU were practically non-existent. I think they should just clean house at the moment and start the DCU fresh. Always did, to be honest, but I'm even more convinced now.
I’m convinced that we would have had a better story if they had stuck to a time travel story instead of a multiverse one. Once they got Keaton, they altered the entire narrative. Ironically, he’s the only thing that works in the movie.
@@Mrs.Garrison69 when you go to different universes you can always return to your own and it should be unchanged but if you go back in time and return things will be different.
I thought The Flash was head and shoulders above the new Ant Man. I may be the only one but I also think it’s better than any James Gunn movie other than Guardians 1 & 3.
Young Einstein is kind of like the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen but with inventors/scientists, has some beautiful shots of the country, a great soundtrack with Icehouse, Models, Paul Kelly, Big Pig and Mental as Anything covering The Beatles, and a lovely cast.
I loved The Flash. It's sense of humour was fun, I liked all the actors and I got a kick out of all the cameos. I couldn't stand any of the other multiverse films but this was fun. Supergirl's instant grasp of powers was played exactly the same as Zod's were in Man of Steel. I've hated most films in the DCEU but this was a cool way to bow out.
Honestly I was hella on board until the first cameo. I little back to the future style romp where flash and his younger self have to stop zod in a world without meta humans, that's fun
What if in Aquaman 2, it starts with Bwn Affleck in the beginning switches to Michael Keaton in the middle, then ends with George Clooney. Implying that it coincides with the flash movie lmao. What if that's the reason everyone hates it. Because there's no explanation as to why there's just 3 characters playing 1 role
Andy Muschietti can't be blamed for The Flash. I look forward to him doing the Bat-Family with Brave and the Bold because he did very well with group dynamics in the IT films. BUT... holy crappidy crap-crap The Flash has too much external and internal problems fighting it from being able to be as decent as it is, saved only by the 2nd act and then right back to absolute dogshit. I hope James Gunn pitched him Batman like, "Hey, you got shafted and we both know it. Want to try again and do it your way?"
While “No Way Home” has better villains, Flash has a better plot device and reasoning for changing the timeline. Trying to save your murdered mom is much better than fixing it so ppl don’t know your identity and screw it up so your gf remembers.
I thought it was on par with No Way Home (being completely fine and not as good as everyone was claiming it to be). I was personally more entertained by this because of how unapologetically weird it got (which I did not expect coming off reading or watching reviews for this before seeing it) and making me laugh a couple of times (unlike NWH which gave me none). This felt like it had a style and voice to it unlike NWH (especially when mixing a previous filmmaker’s take on the character or world with something different).
Man, you guys are killing my OLED with the static images on these hour long podcasts. Can you all put some generic moving thing in the background next time? Lol
I'm suprised James thought it was the worst thing ever and Mason thought it was the best, I'd have bet money on it being the opposite. Mostly loved it, I don't really care about CGI anymore, in films like these, I already know most of what I'm seeing is CG anyway. I thought the use of Michael Keaton's Batman and Shannon's General Zod were a more interesting multiverse concept that what No Way Home did but I didn't love the shoe-horned in cameos, SPOILERS↓↓↓↓↓ SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS Nick Fuuuuckkiiiiiiiiiiiiinnn WOW! Cage turning up as CGI superman was kind of dumb, I watched this with my Mum and she didn't understand what the fuck that was. And as dumb as the Clooney one was at least it was funny. Both of those cameos are so weird I feel like if I told someone who hadn't seen the film that Steve Buscemi had a scene as Wonder Woman too it wouldn't stand out much.
Its heartbreaking hearing about JRS. Of course it would have been nice if it was a bigger thing, people actually knew about it, or he got more credit than a single line at the bottom of the credits during a movie, but i think that would be clearly asking for too much.
Michael Keaton did hit the right Nostalgia Notes. Ben Affleck did a pretty good job for the short time he's in it. Sasha Calle did do a pretty good Supergirl and I hope they do cast her for the upcoming Woman of Tomorrow And Ezra Miller was there...
Harrison Ford is from a generation where he got to work with visionary directors who knew how to get the best out of his limited range, as opposed to journeyman directors who helm most of today's major films. Plus, he's like 70-odd and clearly hasn't given a shit since the 90s.
I love Jonathan Majors but if it turns out he's a bad bloke, just recast Kang, it's a bloody multiverse! Get a crocodile Kang for the finale, or cast the actor (insert your pick below for new Kang, I will start. Keanu or Kang)
How is the flashpoint paradox the only Flash story??? Im beginning to dislike Geoff Johns a bit. We are adapting 2000-2010 sagas exclusively for fucking no reason at all
I enjoyed the flash so much, and as a non-comic reader my girlfriend said she absolutely loved the movie. The intro slapped, so many scenes had me in stitches and that was the best side by side same actor cgi I’ve ever seen. Ezra cringe acting does sometime make you breathe hot air out of your nose but damn I enjoyed it. The family stuff had me almost tearing up, Keaton, Affleck, Calle were great. Shame they chose the cameos that they did, dead actors over alive ones who’d probs be happy to feature. Loved a certain someone fighting a spider 😂
I can't believe it's only been 10 years of the DCEU. Feels like 20.
For real, it's been going since 1922
The joke would work better if you remove “only”.
It's funny, Man of Steel came out June 14th, 2013, the Flash came out June 16th, 2023. Should have released it 2 days earlier
Feels like 30
@@themutupoguy would you ask as much of any other man?
It's kinda nice that the Flash movie is so convoluted I heard all the spoilers and still have no idea what it's about.
I enjoyed the hell out of it. It’s not a masterpiece but it’s a fun superhero film.
@@Seacai150 Cool, looking forward to seeing it!
I think watching it on a streaming site, adding that distinct bootleg feeling, made it even more entertaining and disorienting. The only thing that really bothered me was the look of the end scene, Ezra looks like an animated funco pop or something, just really plastic looking.
It's insane to me that, with everything going against this, they decided to release this just 2 weeks after Spider-verse!
The Writer's Strike is so confusing from the Studios perspective. For an average production, writing costs 2-5% of the production budget (so pre-advertising), for bigger budget projects, the writers often are under 1% of the production budget. The amount of money that the strike has cost the studios already _far_ exceeds Writer's Guild demands, yet the studios don't seem to watch to budge at all. They're cutting off their noses to spite their faces.
Yeah, like, the 7 figure check to Christopher Nolan probably would have covered a lot of these writers' demands.
@@lyndsaybrown8471 yes, exactly! LL Cool J made like 300K an episode for that silly NCIS show, give him 25K less and pay the writers
@@andrewshandleyou mean ice T? or was LL on that show too?
@@jacksonelh You're thinking of L&W:SVU. LL Cool J is a main cast member on NCIS:LA.
I love that Chris Hemsworth’s character’s name in Extraction is Tyler Rake, but it’s still Jakestraction 😂
This has "This is Katana. She's got my back. She can cut all of you in half with one sword stroke, just like mowing the lawn." energy all over it
What us said literally makes no sensw
I loved the open of the move, felt like a Justice League episode from the early 00s ! Had fun, love the ending that just ended with me laughing real hard in the cinema all by myself.
Same, the opening was the first time in 10 years where it felt like a dc comic come to life
I felt exactly the same. I don’t get all the hate. It was fun
You could say that the lightning rod scene was them attempting their own “blue harvest” actually giving the film its working title 👍
27:27 There's the pregnant pause that lets me know I'm in for a good episode. 🤣
The scream happened before Barry's dad walked in.
The real issue is that they would've had the receipt for when his dad bought the tomato sauce and that would've shown he was at the store at the time.
I rarely keep my receipts, tbh, so if I were in a Barry's dad situation, I wouldn't have that to hand either.
Whats dumb is that the death occurred as Barrys dad got home. So his alibi doesn't even work. He got home THEN murdered his wife.
if he paid with cash there wouldnt be anything tying him to it particularly. Youd have to rely on the cashier remembering him. Otherwise you just know that there is someone who bought a can of tomatoes around the same time. Thats incredibly circumstantial.
The scream happened before Barry's dad walked in, but the problem is that Barry's dad returned home close enough to the killing. So regardless of whether his face showed up on the CCTV or not, he could have returned home in time to kill the mom. Proving that the dad was at the store doesn't prove that he couldn't be home in time to kill the mom.
@@blipmachine it introduces enough reasonable doubt. Which is the entire point of the justice system. You cant prove someone absolutely innocent in a court of law. You need to prove someone guilty BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. If his alibi had proof then there is enough reasonable doubt to let him go.
"This movie had a lot of things working against it."
"Including all the things that are in it."
😂😂😂
Holy shit this episode is a banger. I agree with James on the flash but man that was a great convo on the movie and soulless nostalgia products as a whole
It's horrible that they didn't bring Grant Gustin for a cameo. There's literally no reason why it couldn't have happened.
You probably have heard, but they did film something and cut it out. Which is ridiculous and not cool
@@deveshsood6087 I didn't actually know that. Thats awful. The only reason I can think of is that Grant would've probably overshadowed Ezra miller's version
@@RamboA12 imo since gustin has already been thru this story basically and they've interacted (Ezra flash and grant flash) it could be weird
Because they've both met already so they'd kinda have to acknowledge it whereas Ezra doesn't know any of the cameo characters (in universe)
putting Teddy as Jay was retarded. Should have been John.
Why is it horrible?
Thumbs up if you're still in your 'grub era'?
Insert joke about Flash microwaving babies here
I had low expectations for The Flash but I quite enjoyed it.
Agreed. Not very familiar with or a big fan of any previous incarnations of the character. Also not nostalgic about Keaton Batman. So I had a pretty good time with the film. The thin. That hurts this film the most is that the multiverse has already been done better in a couple of movies so nothing about this one stands out. Decent but pretty forgettable.
I went in with intentions of laughing about the so called bad-CGI I've been hearing about, and I did! I laughed my ass off, but overall it was an ok movie wasn't nearly as bad as I expected
When Keaton's Batman says you've already saved me to the Flash after the first time reversal, he meant saved his life from being a recluse since they got him out of the mansion and back on mission. It wasn't fleshed out well, otherwise he was given a very route explanation of Flash's powers off-screen.
I think the best part of this movie was James' reaction, it broke him lol
Listening to James talk about his hate for this movie is all timer stuff
I love that Maso and James are as equally divided as the rest of the Flash watchers. I thought it was fine. The cgi, the weird cameos and the leaks definitely sucked and likely were a big part of the backlash, but I thought it had some highlights and some fun (Supergirl and Keaton being the best parts). I wonder if when they put in the work on some of the cgi, it looked worse than the rest and they decided “fuck it. Let’s just make it all look equally bad so that worse bit isn’t as jarring”
James gunn leaving Ezra Miller in a separate universe 😂. Flash definitely getting recast.
The fact that there were 9 seasons of The Flash between the film’s announcement and its release, is hystetical
I think the speedforce visuals were a stylistic choice But everytime were there was Barry and Barry in the scene and one of them looks like an alien was absolutely not intentional
Yeah. The speedforce obviously looks funky as a choice. Which would work if the non speedforce CGI looked good.
What's the matter with you, that opening of him running to Gotham was incredible!
Are you joking?
Honestly I didn't realize that they used CGI for the other Flash. I just assumed it was compositing or motion control camera rigs. I saw it in IMAX and couldn't tell anything obvious (maybe that's why the rest of the CG was so distracting, so that you didn't notice even MORE CG!)
Same, even I saw it in imax and everything looked fine to me besides the flash time jump place (which was very obvious to me it was meant to be a stylistic choice even b4 the statement came out). Idk what these boys keep complaining about, the movie was solid
Really loved how Barry spent the whole movie learning a lesson about acceptance and sacrifice only to then completely unlearn the lesson right at the end by saving his dad and still breaking the universe.
My favorite bit that I haven't heard anyone mention is the Lord of the rings joke when new Barry first puts on the ring
I've seen multiple reviewers mention that they had a problem with the deep fake other Flash, but I never noticed any issues with the two Ezras on screen at the same time. I guess I'll keep an eye out for it whenever I watch the movie again but it looked fine to me.
2 ezras on screen is 2 too many
@@narcopsyreal
yikes
You probably accidentally watched it without your glasses
I only noticed it twice
"now that we're finished talking about a movie that has so much in it that it's basicially for nobody". GODDAMN!
I was surprised at how much I enjoyed The Flash tbh, was pretty damn happy with it but it certainly could have been better.
I'm gonna laugh when WW shows up in Blue Beetle
Wasn’t expecting to love the Flash as much as I did. So much heart, and the humor actually worked for me.
Mason constantly saying Secret Invasion comes out in two weeks when it comes out on Wednesday is so funny 😂
I really enjoyed the film. I didn’t expect a masterpiece, I just wanted a fun movie and personally I got what I wanted from it. I smiled through the whole thing and smiled when I walked out of the theatre. My gf has seen none of the superhero movies and she really enjoyed the story. Edit- the cgi didn’t take me out of the film at alll.
37:45 I was able to swallow it during the movie because of the circumstances of the end with the awful AWFUL faces... But the stuff with the babies in the beginning was also really bad to the point where I laughed at how stupid it looked. Didn't hate the movie though... Just yeah, let's move on to better stuff now
Edit: 42:12 😂
Fun fact- I met Ezra Miller shortly after the Flash came out. Ezra made a surprise appearance performing with Jewish reggae singer Matisyahu in the tiny town of Waterville Maine (I posted video if anyone is curious WTF that looks like). They were surprisingly nice, didn't physically attack me even a little bit when we spoke. Also I said I enjoyed the Flash, even though I hadn't seen it at the time.
20:20 The Beyonder was in the Moon Girl and Devil Dino series, so he's around if MCU wants him.
My biggest gripes with the film were:
-No Flash Villains. (Not even Thawne),
-Weird CGI where it wasn't needed.
-No one has taught Ezra how to run yet.
-So they show different earths colliding, and not one is Grant Gustin or John Wesley Ship? But several are Superman? And a generic Jay Garrick who may or may not be Teddy Sears.
That said, I still enjoyed it. There are just a few things I'd have changed, without changing the plot much. Thawne would be involved, Flash fights a Flash Villain at the start, lets go with the Trickster (Mark Hamill of course). Show the other Flashes in the Multiverse. Actually use the actors in scenes where CGI isn't needed. Show Noras Death, Yellow Suited man and all.
I'm 100% with James on this, what a terrible excuse for a movie, I hated the plot, I hated the characters, I hated the visuals, it's all awful. There's a good story in there somewhere but it's too far in there for me to care. I did like Sasha Calle as Supergirl though, I would like to see her again.
Many scenes baffled me in this movie
But the one action scene at the start really bothered me
Like batman left the high-speed plane to chase a hummer on a bike only to then push it over the bridge
Tbf the carrier has been shown to be massive and impractical for a car chase. Plus getting the bike ripped straight from the comics was awesome
tbf he said his super power was being rich, so he has to use it sometime.
43:50 mason accidentally makes the metal gear solid alert sound
Glad I wasn’t the only one who liked The Flash, thought I was going crazy (not Ezra miller but still).
I was surprised how much I enjoyed it. James reaction reminds me how I felt after watching Batman V Superman.
Hello, I understand this may not be the proper traditional venue for this, I'm a huge fan of the show, and the idea to post this here just kinda came to me. Imdb has deleted my review of this film on a very vague basis, and call me crazy but it seems like there's an attempt to bury any criticism of this "movie". Anywho, here's what imdb thought was inappropriate. Thank you in advance if ya actually read it. Cheers.
I never thought I'd actually do this. I've seen many movies in recent years that were terrible, and I flirted with the idea of maybe typing up my thoughts to share with others, but ultimately always found an excuse not to. Not enough time, everyone's pretty much saying the same thing, not a lot to say beyond "it's bad", etc.
But this is the one that did it. And honestly, I would've never predicted that.
To sum up my feelings of the dceu is fairly easy. It's a mess. Whether you love it or hate it. You know it's a mess. Constantly course correcting. Absolutely no faith in their creators, characters or story telling decisions. Everything from Batman vs Superman onward has been one dramatic behind the scenes turn to the next. A flagship with no charted course. Not even a destination in mind. Both versions of Superfriends being the absolute nadir.
Until we get to this load. I don't have any real interest in the allegations against Ezra Miller, honestly if the fact show business is loaded with perverts, degenerates, pederasts, etc. Is news to you, then I'd love to know what rock you crawled out from under. It must be nice there.
Since the first version of Superfriends, I've hated this guy. The worst version of twerpy dork awkward guy humor. We've all seen it a thousand times. It's nothing new whether you like it or not and I understand mileage will vary person to person. But I can't stand this gas bag. His portrayal is a pathetic mishmash of Reynold's Deadpool and earnest nerdy Peter Parker. Only even more juvenile than the worst that Van Wilder has to offer.
Like me, you mighta been kinda duped into seeing this because you're a 90's kid and ya love Keaton Batman. Well... I'm sorry to say that while Mr. K does his best to bring a bit of his unique weird charm to the character that he brought to Burton's films, this isn't the same character. Or rather, it's like a podperson version of '89 Batman. He says the lines, "I'm Batman.", "Let's get nuts.", but they're delivered strictly because they're callbacks. There's no emotion behind these readings. And you can tell Michael Keaton thinks it's all rather stupid. That's not the worst part.
There's a reason Burton photographed Batman in the dark, at night, amongst the shadows, often in silhouette. And that's because Keaton's look doesn't work when you divorce him from that context. Burton's Gotham is entirely absent from the film, and thus Batman (Keaton's version) looks more like one of the players from the cw arrowverse, then he does the avenging caped crusader from your childhood. All of the gothic ambiance is gone, thus so is Batman's mystique.
Supergirl. She could've been awesome. Actually love the suit. The actress didn't offend me. Good for her. Wished she'd actually gotten a role.
Poor Micahel Shannon doesn't even want to be there. You can tell. He's all but said as much in press material leading up to this film's release. It's quite apparent. And just sad to watch. Like Keaton, it's the pale imitation of something that once held so much passion and energetic creativity. But now lies truly dead. A wraith propped up for the audience to collect more capital and dance the number everyone knows.
The depiction of the time travel/speed force was bafflingly awful. It's styled in the shape of a Roman coliseum for some stupid reason and the cgi (as noted by many others) is polar express - level bad. The twist that the creature (darkflash) is actually Barry isn't a shock to anyone that's seen a movie before let alone actually familiar with the source material.
The climactic battle as seen in the trailers is deflated and lame. Man of Steel had a more bombastic ending than this and that was a decade ago. Most of the fight is spent with 2 versions of Ezra Miller (God help me) bantering and reciting jokes that Reynolds crumpled up and discarded over his shoulder. Supergirl doesn't do much except die. Batman flies around a bit. Then also dies.
I forgot to mention that the whole story hinges on a can of tomatoes. Perhaps it's just me, but something about that is just excessively stupid. A bad joke.
And that's ultimately what this movie ended up being to me. A bad joke, told poorly. For 2 hours straight.
Im a janitor and my business has been cut in half in the past year from people not being in office, but I still liv the show
Can't help but feel that Gunn only going half-hearted on the reboot is going to be a mistake at this point. Loved TSS/Peacemaker and Momoa is good as Aquaman but the DCEU just feels like an extremely toxic thing to have any links to now, make a clean break and put everything into making a great Superman to build the next stuff around.
Easily worst movie ever. From twitter “The ending underminded the whole story and ruins the pay off of Barry accepting fixed points and that you learn to live with loss. Cus he just creates a second flash point.”
I saw The Flash with my dad a couple days ago. I also saw Young Einstein with my dad, in theaters, 34 years ago.
I really enjoyed the film surprisingly, once I let go of the fact that the cgi sometimes looked very ps3 era that is
The cgi didn’t bother me at all tbh, 8/10, lack of speedster fight and grant gustin was disappointing but I had a real good time
27:34 “What a hollow and ghoulish product”
Put that on the poster
I can't believe you guys didnt mention that at the beginning after flash saves all the babies, he says to the woman "you should seek professional help or therapy for traumatic experiences like this, the justice league still isnt very good at the psychological part yet"
If you havnt seen the film you probably think im making a joke right now, but that is a real line in the film
I really liked The Flash. For me it was the best DCEU movie. The baby shower was the only part that I was like- really? This is way too long. The rest i really liked.
"a second ezra miller has hit the towers"
*has put a baby in a microwave
Not for nothing, the CW version of Crisis had quick little scenes of Burt Ward walking a dog and Robert Wuhl sitting on a park bench and that doing that was so much more preferable to the CGI flesh puppets and cost .0001% of the budget
Re: Letters section and tattoos. My lower legs are covered in Star Wars tattoos and I've recently started on a Disney+ theme for my thighs so I can add more Marvel and Muppet things there. I've been struggling for knee themed tattoos. I had a Dis-knee already lined up. Knee-3P0 is amazing and I now plan to steal this idea. Thank you!
Andy’s answer makes sense. They had to make all the time bubble CGI faces look the same because they obviously couldn’t get new scans of Christopher Reeve or George Reeves. So you keep them ALL in a style that’s unified, the “time changing aesthetic.”
I also really appreciated them making the ones that have passed on in Black and white. It makes the difference for me between that and resurrecting tarkin
@@Mrs.Garrison69hristoper Reeve was in full colour and he died almost 2 decades ago
@@manflabs5209 no he’s in black and white, everything around him is in color but his face is black and white
You guys absolutely make my day❤
I think it's that neighbors have to work together to mend a fence between them. 😂
Warner Bros and Zaszlav: “here you go Christopher Nolan; now you can buy your own nuke”
I think it's quite appropriate that the DCEU ended as it began - playing catch-up to Marvel properties that did it better, first.
We did enjoy it though (even my mate who is pretty much 'done' with comic book movies) but I will say that it absolutely isn't what I would have done for the Flash's first solo outing.
I was a bit disappointed that the nods towards the new DCU were practically non-existent. I think they should just clean house at the moment and start the DCU fresh. Always did, to be honest, but I'm even more convinced now.
Even as someone who didn't think it was amazing, I feel like James way overhated on this movie lol
I’m convinced that we would have had a better story if they had stuck to a time travel story instead of a multiverse one. Once they got Keaton, they altered the entire narrative. Ironically, he’s the only thing that works in the movie.
Ehhh, it's the same thing ultimately.
@@lex_rodriguez it isn't though
@@lex_rodriguez ultimately every movie ever is the same thing
It is the same thing with the way the movie explains spaghetti you change the entire timeline, not really different from a separate universe
@@Mrs.Garrison69 when you go to different universes you can always return to your own and it should be unchanged but if you go back in time and return things will be different.
58:05 he guessed after Barry warned him not to attack the ship because it had shield
I’m honestly surprised people hate this movie as much as they do. I really thought at worst it was an average superhero movie
I thought The Flash was head and shoulders above the new Ant Man. I may be the only one but I also think it’s better than any James Gunn movie other than Guardians 1 & 3.
Young Einstein is kind of like the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen but with inventors/scientists, has some beautiful shots of the country, a great soundtrack with Icehouse, Models, Paul Kelly, Big Pig and Mental as Anything covering The Beatles, and a lovely cast.
I really quite enjoyed The Flash, but I can't deny it really does feel like the sequel to the Joss Whedon version of Justice League.
I loved The Flash. It's sense of humour was fun, I liked all the actors and I got a kick out of all the cameos. I couldn't stand any of the other multiverse films but this was fun. Supergirl's instant grasp of powers was played exactly the same as Zod's were in Man of Steel. I've hated most films in the DCEU but this was a cool way to bow out.
Honestly I was hella on board until the first cameo. I little back to the future style romp where flash and his younger self have to stop zod in a world without meta humans, that's fun
1:02:00 (pushes glasses up nose) Um, Actually it was called a "Thanagarian Snare Beast" in KS's screenplay.
You're right. I apologise
What if in Aquaman 2, it starts with Bwn Affleck in the beginning switches to Michael Keaton in the middle, then ends with George Clooney. Implying that it coincides with the flash movie lmao. What if that's the reason everyone hates it. Because there's no explanation as to why there's just 3 characters playing 1 role
I watched Jaketraction 2 and was very very confused because the main dude’s name is Tyler.
Andy Muschietti can't be blamed for The Flash. I look forward to him doing the Bat-Family with Brave and the Bold because he did very well with group dynamics in the IT films. BUT... holy crappidy crap-crap The Flash has too much external and internal problems fighting it from being able to be as decent as it is, saved only by the 2nd act and then right back to absolute dogshit. I hope James Gunn pitched him Batman like, "Hey, you got shafted and we both know it. Want to try again and do it your way?"
While “No Way Home” has better villains, Flash has a better plot device and reasoning for changing the timeline. Trying to save your murdered mom is much better than fixing it so ppl don’t know your identity and screw it up so your gf remembers.
The scene where Older Barry is questioning whether to drug or not drug the Younger Barry felt a little on the nose considering the actor😂
or the amount of times Barry Allen exposed himself to people...or just straight up robbed people
The worst part is that was written years ago, remember this movie was supposed to come out after JL in 2018 before being re written to hell
Mason out of context: "... You're gonna whip it out, into your mouth..." 14:22
I thought it was on par with No Way Home (being completely fine and not as good as everyone was claiming it to be). I was personally more entertained by this because of how unapologetically weird it got (which I did not expect coming off reading or watching reviews for this before seeing it) and making me laugh a couple of times (unlike NWH which gave me none). This felt like it had a style and voice to it unlike NWH (especially when mixing a previous filmmaker’s take on the character or world with something different).
100% agree
110%
Man, you guys are killing my OLED with the static images on these hour long podcasts. Can you all put some generic moving thing in the background next time? Lol
That’s because podcasts are audible, they’re not supposed to be visual
I'm suprised James thought it was the worst thing ever and Mason thought it was the best, I'd have bet money on it being the opposite. Mostly loved it, I don't really care about CGI anymore, in films like these, I already know most of what I'm seeing is CG anyway. I thought the use of Michael Keaton's Batman and Shannon's General Zod were a more interesting multiverse concept that what No Way Home did but I didn't love the shoe-horned in cameos, SPOILERS↓↓↓↓↓
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Nick Fuuuuckkiiiiiiiiiiiiinnn WOW! Cage turning up as CGI superman was kind of dumb, I watched this with my Mum and she didn't understand what the fuck that was. And as dumb as the Clooney one was at least it was funny. Both of those cameos are so weird I feel like if I told someone who hadn't seen the film that Steve Buscemi had a scene as Wonder Woman too it wouldn't stand out much.
No speedsters fell over while running which makes it the greatest movie ever.
I usually hate everything, but I surprisingly liked the new Flash
The tattoo bit was so funny
Man i've been waiting for this!
Its heartbreaking hearing about JRS. Of course it would have been nice if it was a bigger thing, people actually knew about it, or he got more credit than a single line at the bottom of the credits during a movie, but i think that would be clearly asking for too much.
Henry Allen's lawyer was in 156 episodes of The Bill.
Finally someone else pointing out that the flash's dad looking up wouldn't exonerate him.
Is there something weird with the audio? Or is James sick?
WB before the release of Flash: movie so good you'll forget the crimes of the lead actor.
The Movie: a mess
Michael Keaton did hit the right Nostalgia Notes.
Ben Affleck did a pretty good job for the short time he's in it.
Sasha Calle did do a pretty good Supergirl and I hope they do cast her for the upcoming Woman of Tomorrow
And Ezra Miller was there...
My biggest issue with this movie is the Batfleck stuff looked better in the trailers
Harrison Ford is from a generation where he got to work with visionary directors who knew how to get the best out of his limited range, as opposed to journeyman directors who helm most of today's major films. Plus, he's like 70-odd and clearly hasn't given a shit since the 90s.
Clooney could make a good Batman Beyond old Batman. Crazy movie all round.
Batman had Joker's laughing balls from the 89 movie. So at what stage did he go and steal the laughing balls of the dead body of the Joker?
❤ My wife and I loved the movie. It gave me everything I wanted and more!! 😌
I love Jonathan Majors but if it turns out he's a bad bloke, just recast Kang, it's a bloody multiverse! Get a crocodile Kang for the finale, or cast the actor (insert your pick below for new Kang, I will start. Keanu or Kang)
They should have just had Ben Affleck reappear to play George Reeves in the cameo, he’s done it before.
How is the flashpoint paradox the only Flash story??? Im beginning to dislike Geoff Johns a bit. We are adapting 2000-2010 sagas exclusively for fucking no reason at all
I enjoyed the flash so much, and as a non-comic reader my girlfriend said she absolutely loved the movie. The intro slapped, so many scenes had me in stitches and that was the best side by side same actor cgi I’ve ever seen.
Ezra cringe acting does sometime make you breathe hot air out of your nose but damn I enjoyed it.
The family stuff had me almost tearing up, Keaton, Affleck, Calle were great.
Shame they chose the cameos that they did, dead actors over alive ones who’d probs be happy to feature. Loved a certain someone fighting a spider 😂
The flash in DCU Micheal Scott
I liked it, some of your criticisms are fair some are not.
Big Tern-Head here, nothing in this podcast could do more damage to Big Space Guy than Waititi did by making him a genie.
I love how you and double toasted both agree that the CGI is supposed to look like that excuse is total BS.