1:14:34 "There's a lot that I could say here. But I don't think there’s much that needs to be said." Put that in the history books as the hardest red ball quote of all time 🔥
"DON'T GO FOR 3X CHOKER" - me in vc during niftski's 2:37 (he was deafened) Great work as always, Max. Glad to call you a friend. Seeing both this community and your channel blow up has been an amazing experience. Can't believe it's been over 5 years since I first picked up this flash game...
thanks max for another banger, glad I was able to help out with this. been such a pleasure to watch the community progress closer and closer to perfection and even more of a pleasure to be a part of it. excited to see what we can do in the future!!
the burden of every single game with a high skill community is to endlessly explain why counting frame perfects for difficulty is dumb to the gd community 😭 celeste has it quite bad in terms of how many gd players claim that things are easy because of the frame perfect count
@@drawndrearythe funniest part about the frame perfect count for Tidal wave is the fact that it’s 60fps frame perfects and they are not the same on 240fps (the refresh rate most players play on now) and the number of 240fps frame perfects in the level is significantly lower
32:12 "Short easy to pick up speed games with no RNG. Well, aside from spike glitch." This not long after talking about how the frames themselves are somewhat random thanks to it being a game in flash with an irregular set fps lol.
What the Niftski Also showing the IL strats at the end after showing so many normal runs gave me a real shock moment. Seeing the "normal" world record routes so many times primed me so well to not expect the craziness of that new train strat.
another thing about frame perfects not being comparable: a 32 ms window in two different games can feel massively different depending on the underlying framerate. in minecraft parkour, a headhitter timing (press forward, then press jump 1 tick later) is ostensibly a 50 ms window, because physics are processed at 20 tps. but it's actually effectively more random than that, because depending on the timing of your first input within a frame, the second input may need to be only 1-51 ms later, or it may need to be 49-99 ms later, with no way to tell which. so even if you always time the second input between 46 ms and 54 ms after your first (which seems reasonable if not generous), you still have a 4% chance of just whiffing it through no explicit fault of your own. if the game ran physics at 60 tps but the window were still 50 ms wide, that inconsistency would entirely vanish.
Well, there are ways to negate this randomness such as jumping in place before doing a timing and basing it off of the visuals (because the physics is tick aligned, the visual of a jump starting will be too). But even then, you can get screwed by ticks being variable lengths occasionally. Definitely a pretty similar comparison
And another thing: Frame perfects in physics sandbox games are often much harder to practice because they can only be performed after doing the section of the level before the frame perfect. In Geometry Dash, you can just put a start position right before the timing you want to practice and it works just fine, but you can't really do that in Red Ball because even if the game did have that functionality, it'd be a nightmare to position the start at just the right spot with just the right speeds and angular momentum every time you wanted to practice something. And even if you could do that, many of the strategies require certain objects to be in certain positions moving a certain way, which absolutely wouldn't work with a custom start position.
Also, if you use megahack, you can use fps bypass which lets you choose your fps, and making things easier. Comparing a massive community run game cannot compare to a small flash game
Thanks Maximum, and all the others who helped you create this masterpiece if a video. I just want to say "Thank You" for reviving a game that should have been forgotten, if it it wasn't for you. I still remember the first time I touched this game, like when i was 8 or 9, I was playing with an old friend of mine, switching places every death. Man we sucked at level 10, but It was nice finding your channel, and rewatching a part of my childhood. Keep up the good work, and I'm waiting for the next video. HOPE WE SEE IT BEFORE 2025😁
Yooo I know Dignity! He's also a prominent runner in the Snailiad community. That'd be a cool Flash game to cover on this channel actually; the history of tricks and records is absolutely nuts lol
I was scrolling through maximum’s videos a couple of hours ago and I was like, 7 months, he may never come back again and then I saw this and I was so happy. I thought this guy wouldn’t come back but I was wrong. Red ball is my favourite speedrunning game thanks to maximum.
So crazy that you can keep me coming back to watch hour+ long videos about a game from 2009 time and time again. Just a testament to the engaging and easy to understand way you talk about these things. Hoping to see a SM63 WRP series some time in the future!
That was once again a fantastic retelling of a journey, thank you so much for your hard work and dedication :) And yeah, frame perfect in one game is not the same as in others. Hell, usually one frame perfect input is not the same as another within the same game. But I enjoyed that flex of 200 consecutive inputs, that's still mad
“it’s about drive it’s about power, 30% off on amazon for the next 2 hours” legendary guy. he’s so incredibly calm, and that sub 2:40 celebration was insane
22:52 As a GD player myself, Those other players that compare that Red ball are so much easier than GD is dumb. You already told everything in the video why Red ball is different from GD and other games and I really understand it. Plus Red ball isn't a Rhythm game so please let's mind our own business GD players, We don't know the half of their struggles and their Determination to get a perfect run
I still remember when i saw a random video about a random speedrun strat in a random game that i'd never heard of (the sub 20 train one) and for some reason clicked on it, and now here i am still watching these
All gd players play the game at a 240 fps tick rate and usually an even higher frame rate. A 60 fps frame perfect in gd is a much tighter margin than a 4 frame timing on 240 due to setup. I’ve been playing gd for basically my whole life and would consider myself to be a pretty high level player and I can confidently say that levels are not made difficult by their number of frame perfects but instead by the complexity and difficulty of chains of inputs. Gd players are able to beat such hard levels almost entirely because we gain the muscle memory related to visual and audio cues. It seems like many of the frame perfects in red ball are essentially blind timings and while the amount of time to perform the click may be greater, the fact that it’s blind and isn’t part of a distinct input chain would make it way way more challenging. I have crazy respect for people who are able to just hit timings like that without any visual or audio cues. That’s truly insane
Dude, people INSIDE the gd community talk about how frame perfect count is a bad metric for difficulty. Not sure how or why people who have to deal with ship physics think this game is "way easier" but ok ig.
Another thing about the whole gd rant, NO ONE PLAYS ON 60 FPS so saying tidal wave has 201 frame perfects is misleading because top players play on 360 fps! Do you know how many 360 fps frame perfects are in tidal wave? Take a guess.
Top players don't play on 360fps, they play on 240TPS but since most are CBF users with sayodevices, they have around 8000 technical "frames" in a single second.
Lol I checked your channel yesterday hoping there was a new video to watch and was sad to see how long it had been With this being uploaded today I can officially say WE'RE SO FUCKING BACK
I have been following you since the original history of rb speedruns vid and its really cool to see you still going and documenting things of something you are passionate about also miniland streaming on niftski's alt just sent me
given how much has already changed, i would love another part, along with a full history video that remakes all the old videos and turns them all into one cohesive history and narrative
The frame perfect analogy should be its own video in all honesty instead of being in the middle of this amazing video so more users can view it, it's extremely informative and can teach both communities and newbies well! Frame perfects on Tidal Wave were determined by playing it solely on 60FPS with no "frame skipping/physics update skipping" issues a player might run into during a run. No one with progress on that map plays it on 60FPS, while the timings are still extremely tough, the level of precision and control the player has in Geometry Dash can't equate to Red Ball whatsoever (240FPS vs 31FPS on Flash). Also, counting difficulty by frame perfects is an extremely flawed metric that can fall apart by the addition of complexity or other variables like inconsistencies and such. Anyways, this is a well done video, great work!
Niftski went from never touching Red Ball again to never touching SMB1 again
Lol
oh don't worry, he did that aswell
Oh boy, I love when Niftski get a monumental world record of that 2 minutes and ending in 4 seconds
now come back to jellycar :o
To never touching grass again
Speedrunners HATE him! get world record with this one simple trick:
As a speedrunner can confirm I actually don’t hate you liar
all you gotta do is play good
Can’t believe my comment got deleted smh my head
If this one gets deleted 2:2x will never happen
Also I still don’t hate you btw
Omg Mom! It's the man on the TV! 🤯
😔🙂↔️🙂↔️🙂↔️🙂↔️😋🥲🔋
I finally have a place in the Maximum Cinematic Universe. Glad to have been able to help out making this video
Thanks bro. Marvel ain’t got nothing on the real MCU 😤
why is nobody else replying
cuz your life is a movie 🔥🔥
vancouver olympics are the best, what a surprise that you don't speedrun them
700th like
Vertix hitting the griddy to "peanut butter jelly time" after getting the most legendary run known to man...
Its too perfect for words
Awesome video, I truly had a peanut butter jelly time watching it!
Omg your famous
%30 off on amazon
Bro even hit the griddy
The griddy was legendary, almost as legendary as the record
That shit brought back early internet vibes, enough to make a grown man cry. Truly beautiful moment
Still very proud of my 2:41 to this day, glad to have helped making this video :)
noice yak, also im not to be the one to say this but first comment :3
Mapping With Yakko Moment
@@Redddragon sounds like a cool guy
@@theyakster3226 he is
Me at 2am seeing an hour and a half long video about Red Ball: "Eh, fuck it"
Me seeing a new Maximum video and not realizing it's 2 hours: 🥳
Correct decision
Same lol
right now time is 2:00 AM and i clicked on this video
fuck it, we ball
1:14:34 "There's a lot that I could say here. But I don't think there’s much that needs to be said."
Put that in the history books as the hardest red ball quote of all time 🔥
"DON'T GO FOR 3X CHOKER" - me in vc during niftski's 2:37 (he was deafened)
Great work as always, Max. Glad to call you a friend. Seeing both this community and your channel blow up has been an amazing experience. Can't believe it's been over 5 years since I first picked up this flash game...
Here in red ball civilisation no one goes for the 3x choker
@@psgamer-il2pt It was written in balls.
''NO CHOKER, DONT GO FOR 3X''
''You cant stop me batman, he's already 95% done with the run''
''CHOKER PLEASE''
thanks max for another banger, glad I was able to help out with this. been such a pleasure to watch the community progress closer and closer to perfection and even more of a pleasure to be a part of it. excited to see what we can do in the future!!
Yea
the burden of every single game with a high skill community is to endlessly explain why counting frame perfects for difficulty is dumb to the gd community 😭 celeste has it quite bad in terms of how many gd players claim that things are easy because of the frame perfect count
Glad I can help set the record straight lol
Sorry for the idiots in our community lol
@@drawndrearythe funniest part about the frame perfect count for Tidal wave is the fact that it’s 60fps frame perfects and they are not the same on 240fps (the refresh rate most players play on now) and the number of 240fps frame perfects in the level is significantly lower
@@A2Z2 red ball runs on 30 tps and gd runs on 60-240 tps
@@izingggthe guy wasn't saying anything about red ball, but it actually runs at 31 fps
Infinitely more entertaining than the new joker movie, literally cinema
Absolute Videogame
@@Maximum why so serious
@@justl3onxdWhy so spherious?
Why are the top comments a bigger crossover than infinity war 💀
As someone who plays GD and SMB1 for a living, and has a 4:55.846 in any%, your frame perfect analogy was spot on 👍
Wtf 4:55 is insane
Whats your hardest in GD
use cbf
@@Xnoob545 deception dive 😭
@@ElementXZPEED wait that's a difficult level too
@@ElementXZPEED Respect for having the patience to beat that level. Got 80 ish percent and I am never touching that frustrating ass level again
I, in fact, did NOT glance at the length of this video before watching.
We're in for the long haul now...
Imagine to have frame perfect input that have 5% chance of failling due to inconsistences make the talented speedrunners of the game true legends.
after 7 months, it's finally here...
32:12 "Short easy to pick up speed games with no RNG. Well, aside from spike glitch." This not long after talking about how the frames themselves are somewhat random thanks to it being a game in flash with an irregular set fps lol.
What the Niftski
Also showing the IL strats at the end after showing so many normal runs gave me a real shock moment. Seeing the "normal" world record routes so many times primed me so well to not expect the craziness of that new train strat.
another thing about frame perfects not being comparable: a 32 ms window in two different games can feel massively different depending on the underlying framerate. in minecraft parkour, a headhitter timing (press forward, then press jump 1 tick later) is ostensibly a 50 ms window, because physics are processed at 20 tps. but it's actually effectively more random than that, because depending on the timing of your first input within a frame, the second input may need to be only 1-51 ms later, or it may need to be 49-99 ms later, with no way to tell which. so even if you always time the second input between 46 ms and 54 ms after your first (which seems reasonable if not generous), you still have a 4% chance of just whiffing it through no explicit fault of your own. if the game ran physics at 60 tps but the window were still 50 ms wide, that inconsistency would entirely vanish.
> minecraft parkour
the sleeper agent is awoken
Well, there are ways to negate this randomness such as jumping in place before doing a timing and basing it off of the visuals (because the physics is tick aligned, the visual of a jump starting will be too). But even then, you can get screwed by ticks being variable lengths occasionally. Definitely a pretty similar comparison
And another thing: Frame perfects in physics sandbox games are often much harder to practice because they can only be performed after doing the section of the level before the frame perfect. In Geometry Dash, you can just put a start position right before the timing you want to practice and it works just fine, but you can't really do that in Red Ball because even if the game did have that functionality, it'd be a nightmare to position the start at just the right spot with just the right speeds and angular momentum every time you wanted to practice something. And even if you could do that, many of the strategies require certain objects to be in certain positions moving a certain way, which absolutely wouldn't work with a custom start position.
minecraft parkour :nerd:
@@Curryocity I know what you are.
as an gd player that actually know how FPs work im glad you explained
might as well use cbf
Also, if you use megahack, you can use fps bypass which lets you choose your fps, and making things easier. Comparing a massive community run game cannot compare to a small flash game
@@izinggg what?
@@izinggg i do use it when i play in 2.2 but normally i play on 2.1
click between frames @@advance64bro
You don't know how happy I am to see over an hour of red ball content in my notifications
Thanks Maximum, and all the others who helped you create this masterpiece if a video. I just want to say "Thank You" for reviving a game that should have been forgotten, if it it wasn't for you. I still remember the first time I touched this game, like when i was 8 or 9, I was playing with an old friend of mine, switching places every death. Man we sucked at level 10, but It was nice finding your channel, and rewatching a part of my childhood.
Keep up the good work, and I'm waiting for the next video. HOPE WE SEE IT BEFORE 2025😁
Sorry for some mistakes in my writing😅
This is definitely the Red Ball of "In Parkour Civilization, noone jumps for the beef"
Here in Red Ball civilisation no one goes for the 3x choker
if i see any more of these on unrelated videos im gonna end it
Niftski pops off like no other speedrunner. The dude is fucking cracked
Yooo I know Dignity! He's also a prominent runner in the Snailiad community. That'd be a cool Flash game to cover on this channel actually; the history of tricks and records is absolutely nuts lol
Also Yabio at 1:17:43
@@dimusnailomg you right
Snailyheads permeate the scene
lol Niftski achieved the sub 2:50 run on the same day the Queen died, that's crazy
got that kill multiplier
Niftski killed the queen in an attempt to distract minilandd
The run was truly heart stopping, a real breath taker
Niftski? Wait... NO WAY
NIFTSKI HAS THE WORLD RECORD IN SMB1 AND RED BALL 1???
That's so sad she never got to see this legendary run
I was scrolling through maximum’s videos a couple of hours ago and I was like, 7 months, he may never come back again and then I saw this and I was so happy. I thought this guy wouldn’t come back but I was wrong. Red ball is my favourite speedrunning game thanks to maximum.
23:21 WHAT THE FUCK
ADOFAI??????
DUDE, I DIDN'T THINK EXPECT THIS
FROM OUR COMMUNITY, THANK YOU SO MUCH
So crazy that you can keep me coming back to watch hour+ long videos about a game from 2009 time and time again. Just a testament to the engaging and easy to understand way you talk about these things. Hoping to see a SM63 WRP series some time in the future!
This video is a freaking masterpiece.
Our boy Max's coming out of the deep woods to hand us a new Red Ball video before vanishing back into the thick forest. Godspeed.
Its still so weird seeing the speedrunners just ignore the red obstacles like they aren't even there
the yearly reminder that this game exists is so funny
I'm coining this term now, if you have a run on WR pace and you accidently die, you're qualified for the BlueBall% leaderboard
Nah, that doesn't go hard enough, it should be "Blue3XChokerBall%"
That was once again a fantastic retelling of a journey, thank you so much for your hard work and dedication :)
And yeah, frame perfect in one game is not the same as in others. Hell, usually one frame perfect input is not the same as another within the same game. But I enjoyed that flex of 200 consecutive inputs, that's still mad
The long awaited video is finally here and he delivered honestly one of the best speedrun documentaries i've ever seen i hope to see more from you
“it’s about drive it’s about power, 30% off on amazon for the next 2 hours”
legendary guy. he’s so incredibly calm, and that sub 2:40 celebration was insane
22:52 As a GD player myself, Those other players that compare that Red ball are so much easier than GD is dumb. You already told everything in the video why Red ball is different from GD and other games and I really understand it. Plus Red ball isn't a Rhythm game so please let's mind our own business GD players, We don't know the half of their struggles and their Determination to get a perfect run
"the 3x choker did indeed choke the 3x" is just hilarious every time
I get absolutely sucked into this 3 minute flash game I’ve never played every time you talk about it. Absolutely enthralled
i have not thought about this channel in months
I've been watching for over a year
Rude
@@Aaden.mp4 just making a statement on how sparse the uploads are
when your entire channel is based on documenting current history you kinda have to let the history happen first
@@-patchi-5477 fair
I still remember when i saw a random video about a random speedrun strat in a random game that i'd never heard of (the sub 20 train one) and for some reason clicked on it, and now here i am still watching these
this is so relatable
same
Yeah, except I mistook this game for "Bounce Tales", which I played on a phone with buttons when I was 8.
I started binging this series yesterday, not even knowing you posted this final video. Really awesome video and great storytelling
Max uploading Red Ball related stuff must mean a sign from the Universe
I genuinely love your content. It's so genuine and thorough!
Me when I'm in a "Somehow PB to WR in the same day multiple times across different games" competition and my opponent is Niftski
Awesome story and series, great job documenting all of this!
Yo, I appreciate it!
All gd players play the game at a 240 fps tick rate and usually an even higher frame rate. A 60 fps frame perfect in gd is a much tighter margin than a 4 frame timing on 240 due to setup. I’ve been playing gd for basically my whole life and would consider myself to be a pretty high level player and I can confidently say that levels are not made difficult by their number of frame perfects but instead by the complexity and difficulty of chains of inputs. Gd players are able to beat such hard levels almost entirely because we gain the muscle memory related to visual and audio cues. It seems like many of the frame perfects in red ball are essentially blind timings and while the amount of time to perform the click may be greater, the fact that it’s blind and isn’t part of a distinct input chain would make it way way more challenging. I have crazy respect for people who are able to just hit timings like that without any visual or audio cues. That’s truly insane
Lets go a new video from one of my fav youtubers
Your editing skills are so good, the timings between music/sounds and visual is so on point
I'm willing to bet that this video will motivate an up-and-coming Red Ball speedrunner on a journey that results in a sub 2:40.
Niftski got sub 2:30...
@@NormalDude-kb5io I don't think Niftski is an "up-and-coming speedrunner" but that's just my opinion 🤔
Dude, people INSIDE the gd community talk about how frame perfect count is a bad metric for difficulty. Not sure how or why people who have to deal with ship physics think this game is "way easier" but ok ig.
Guys it took like 14 years but we finally have the sequel. Now, this is epic
@@ezmTAS yo ezm love ur vids
world record was just beaten today by RipJaws768 (2m 34s 065ms) vs Niftski (2m 34s 613ms)
22:40 idk man, I think this guy is spitting facts!!
For some reason, he reminds me of the guy who made the World's Hardest Game but when he was 16 years old 🤔
oh……niftsky got 3 WRs （2:32.2 2:31.7 2:29.9） today
IT'S FINALLY HERE. I'VE BEEN CHECKING ONCE A WEEK FOR MONTHS TO SEE IF PART 2 WAS OUT. LETS GOOOOOOO
Omg I have been waiting for months! I can't believe its finally out! I am such a big fan of the chanel. Keep up the good work maximum!😁
I fucking love following red ball speedruns
yo when is max writing his dissertation in red ball studies
Just checked the speedrun LB and saw the record get broken by a few frames today! Good stuff.
Half a second is a little more than a few frames, no?
Another thing about the whole gd rant, NO ONE PLAYS ON 60 FPS so saying tidal wave has 201 frame perfects is misleading because top players play on 360 fps! Do you know how many 360 fps frame perfects are in tidal wave? Take a guess.
I've heard that it's 0 🤔
Yeah beating Tidal Wave with 60 FPS is essentially a death sentence, it just can't happen ever.
@@AM_-wg1hj ill prove you wrong in 20 years
Top players don't play on 360fps, they play on 240TPS but since most are CBF users with sayodevices, they have around 8000 technical "frames" in a single second.
@@sirpuffin08 Also beat Thinking Space and Solar Flare on 60 FPS to practice 😂
I was tagged, I must watch👀
“Oh, fun. A max video. Haven’t seen one of these in a wh- IT’S OVER AN HOUR?!”
Perfect timing. I just finished binge watching the other red ball vids
Incredible amazing dedication from all involved! What an amazing video!
A this long video that is bound to go viral is gonna monitize so flippin good, happy for you man! Quality content
FINALLY !!!! I think since you announced part 2, I've checked at least 20 times to see if the video was out
I watched the last video and then i looked at the leaderboards and thought "theres another one coming"
You know, I was PLANNING to get a good nights’s sleep
this is better than sleep
Lol I checked your channel yesterday hoping there was a new video to watch and was sad to see how long it had been
With this being uploaded today I can officially say WE'RE SO FUCKING BACK
Oh what a time I really wanted to go back and play this. What a banger Start to a video after 7 months
I have been following you since the original history of rb speedruns vid and its really cool to see you still going and documenting things of something you are passionate about
also miniland streaming on niftski's alt just sent me
Tidal wave moment
Also fun fact: miniland's record happened EXACTLY on my 15th birthday.
been awhile waiting for the red ball itch to come up. Always love the videos and how well you can explain things while keeping it interesting
BRO I HAVE BEEN WAITING 7 FKN MONTHS FINALLY!
I've cried 4 times during your video, every time on the WR woww, great job, keep it up!!!
thank you giveing us more.
i truely appreciate your red ball content. its soo good
I'm so sorry on behalf of the GD community.
Sorry for those comments, I find them super annoying.
missed these kinds of videos so much max
given how much has already changed, i would love another part, along with a full history video that remakes all the old videos and turns them all into one cohesive history and narrative
The frame perfect analogy should be its own video in all honesty instead of being in the middle of this amazing video so more users can view it, it's extremely informative and can teach both communities and newbies well!
Frame perfects on Tidal Wave were determined by playing it solely on 60FPS with no "frame skipping/physics update skipping" issues a player might run into during a run. No one with progress on that map plays it on 60FPS, while the timings are still extremely tough, the level of precision and control the player has in Geometry Dash can't equate to Red Ball whatsoever (240FPS vs 31FPS on Flash).
Also, counting difficulty by frame perfects is an extremely flawed metric that can fall apart by the addition of complexity or other variables like inconsistencies and such.
Anyways, this is a well done video, great work!
NO FREAKING WAY IVE BEEN WAITING FO MONTHS FOR VIDEO FROM YOU KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
Max has returned with a feast
kept me entertained for the entire duration of the video, good stuff
Congrats on wr dude, came out of nowhere and did NOT disappoint :)
rest in peace ultraaug, the discoverer of spike glitch
Fantastic levels of analysis, and graphics. Another ten out of ten Red Ball Speedrun doc.
8:44 Didn't need you to drop your balls on the table but here we are. LMAO, great achievement man!!
I’ve never heard of or played this game but sure I’ll watch it. Thanks Maximum
I was watching older Maximum videos because there were no new videos for a long time. Sure enough, I see this in my feed after rewatching one.
I dont know why but I keep watch8ng these Redball speedrun videos. I had never even heard of this gane until these videos.
Great video as always. Keep up with these!
POG NEW VIDEO FROM MAXIMUM ABOUT RED BALL LET'S GOOOO
I checked this channel 2 days before the upload and then I just didn't see the notification
Anyway I am sure this will be a masterpiece
Bros really out here becoming the summoning salt of flash games
hes also cracked at the games he documents lmao
me watching at around 1hr expecting the villain to not be the narrator (idk who to cheer for now)
Suddenly my schedule got 1 hour 21 minutes and 9 seconds of timr where I need to do nothing
I have been really enjoying your videos lately.
I was JUST on your channel checking out past uploads and saw this lol hell yeah
I still can’t believe the silly ball platformer from my childhood has a speedrunning scene with meaningful overlap with the SMB1 community.