I was a photographer but I've been into videography since about 1 year now.. and it's sooooo much harder. Lighting is very important, microphone quality (boom mic for films etc etc), color grading, good actors etc etc. But It's so much fun if you do it with the right people! 😁
I remember watching the video from The Police, "Wrapped Around Your Finger," where it's Sting seemingly moving in slow motion while singing in time with the song. It was really mind-blowing when it hit you what was going on. Great use of overcranking and playing with time perception, way back in 1983!
I’ve been watching these two geniuses since 2010 or so. FANTASTIC content. Exceptional content creators. Mostly I’ve enjoyed watching remarkable team develop over the last decade and a half. Outstanding, guys.
This isn’t practical if you was in the room with them and you had equipment and they walked you through it, that would be practical. Watching a video is passive
I don't understand your issue. The tutorial they posted is easy to replicate yourself. It indeed needs a minimum knowledge of handling a camera. If you don't have this, there are tons of other tutorials to even learn that from scratch. If that does not help, you should attend a filmmaking class. IMO youtube is an amazing source of knowledge. I learned so much from here and it is for free@@totallybored5526
@@nikvianna1740when you have been watching film riot for over 10 years, you learn a lot, so every new video introduces a new advanced technique, first year at university is covering basic stuff like, camera angles, movement, lighting.
That’s because you don’t pay attention. So why don’t you quit university and stop sucking the learning and enjoyment of the university for everyone around you
FilmRiot always gives me the feeling that I’ve acquired a new tool/skill to add to my “creative arsenal”. This episode, like all the others, was fantastic!
If you ever watch "Little Shop of Horrors" from 1986, all the shots with the giant plant are undercranked to speed up the plant's movements. They had to use (at the time) cutting edge pitch shifting technology on Levi Stubbs' vocals to slow them down but still have them be intelligible. Any time you see Rick Moranis or Ellen Green interacting with the plant they're miming and lip-syncing at 1/2-2/3 normal speed.
The under-cranking, sped up later, ended up being a common uncanny ghostly effect used a lot in the early 2000s. I know Stir of Echoes did it, but I think a couple others too. Really effective.
The undercranking topic is not only super interesting but also reminds me of that awfully boring Denzel Washington movie called "Unstoppable". I love the actor, the presentation is sadly bad though. Maybe hightening up the suspense by using undercranking would have done the trick? =) I remember "Crank" felt like using that technique but I might fail on that. 😋
Ryan, Serious question here. When is Andrew Kramer film ever going to be released? You guys got everyone excited about this and then it was never talked about again. Thanks
We talked about a few times after. And have address that it's not happening on the show more than once as well. Like often happens with indie productions, Andrew went very ambitious with it and in the end, it didn't work out. It's a bummer, but we still got two fun films out of epic summer.
Blender user here with a quick question. Would I run my blender frames at 20 or 22 and then in post in premier run the frames at the normal 24? For the sped up effect
This is great, another technique to check out is Travis Scott's step printing effect. With a hand held shot following the main subject you get a disoriented feel.
Your videos are always a masterclass crash course! Thanks for making them❤🙌 Watched this video 5 times in a row to understand the math... that's how bad I am at maths🤣 But I still have a doubt- at @5:40 when you are shifting to 12 FPS from 24 FPS you say "...but if we 'over-crank' now...". But slowing down the framerates would mean 'under-cranking' right? What am I missing here🤔?
So what happens to the production audio when it's trying to being sync'd with timecode. Timecode can't be set to off speed frame rates. What's the standard practice?
Ryan! Love love love this video. At the 9 minute mark, did you just slow the framerate down for that shot and speed it up further in post??? I want to replicate it but am slightly confused on how it's so jumpy
I shot a chase scene at street legal speed by using a combination of under-cranking and mounting the on-car camera as close to the ground as possible to great effect.
Oh wait, I forgot. In Sony cameras, S&Q mode, (A7SIII) gives FPS of 1/2/4/8/15/30/60/120/240. I remember some people use S&Q for time lapse. Gonna try it now.
I can do on my iPhone 😊 if you watch Tony Scotts film Domino with Keira Knightley it’s filmed at 12 or 18 frames a second it gives it that fantastic blurry motion look
I was always taught that over/undercranking was about shutter speed, not frame rate? For example staying at 24fps, but shooting at 1/60 or higher instead of the standard 1/48 to reduce motion blur and make the shot feel more frantic (like in Saving Private Ryan)
Hi Ryan, I would say the main difference is the approach of visualizing a project. Both are certainly very powerful tools. PRODUCER with the predefined ProFlow workflow aims at visualizing the overall production process, whereas Assemble is centered around the Calendar view. There are also lots of smaller differences between the tools that you will discover when trying them out. As we offer a free plan, I recommend to give PRODUCER a shot and find out for yourself which approach works best with your personal working style (BTW we are going to add a calendar view of a project in one of the next upgrades, so that you have a choice what you prefer). Happy producing! 🙌
Love the video, although felt off by the times u started talking about a sponsor in the middle of talking about the undercranking. little complaint, otherwise, awesome vid.
I really enjoy this channel, but it was pretty apparent that greater than half the content was pushing the "Producer" application SUUUPER hyper wildin' wicky-wacky hardcore. I understand why, but... zounds and wow! :O
I wonder how undercranking in-camera compares to just using a slightly longer shutter speed (i.e., more than 180 degrees). In your video, the fight scene shot at 24fps and then speed up in post looks unnatural because the motion blur no is no longer 180 degree shutter. So what if instead of 1/48s, you shoot it at say 1/40s,-baking in more motion blur, knowing you’re going to speed it up? I ask because non-cinema cameras (like the Canon R5) don’t give granular control over FPS, but obviously do allow manual exposure.
If you set your fps to something lower (anything under 24fps) while playing back at 24fps, your footage will appear faster. It's better than speeding up in post because you don't get the same frame jumping and you get proper motion blur. If you do the opposite and go with a higher fps, you get slow motion.
And the shutter speed should (almost) always be 1/(2× fps). So 24 fps means 1/48 shutter speed and 22 fps means 1/44 shutter speed. Shutter speed describes how long your camera takes a picture/frame and should be half as long as the time between the beginning of one frame and the next one. The shutter speed most importantly leads to a blur when there is motion in the frame.
That car shot was really impressive. I didn't know smaller frame rates could have that effect.
I was a photographer but I've been into videography since about 1 year now.. and it's sooooo much harder. Lighting is very important, microphone quality (boom mic for films etc etc), color grading, good actors etc etc. But It's so much fun if you do it with the right people! 😁
Since about?
@@totallybored5526 for about* since around* ... english is not my main language 😅
I remember watching the video from The Police, "Wrapped Around Your Finger," where it's Sting seemingly moving in slow motion while singing in time with the song. It was really mind-blowing when it hit you what was going on. Great use of overcranking and playing with time perception, way back in 1983!
Props to Josh for such a tight sync at 48 FPS. I know I would have found that tough to do so well.
The lip syncing/dancing was AWESOMEly entertaining! Good job guys!
Best filmmaking tips on youtube! I've learned so much from you guys over the years. Thank you for existing.
I’ve been watching these two geniuses since 2010 or so. FANTASTIC content. Exceptional content creators.
Mostly I’ve enjoyed watching remarkable team develop over the last decade and a half.
Outstanding, guys.
Really love this. You guys are always providing the best hands-on practical insight. Thanks FilmRiot!
This isn’t practical if you was in the room with them and you had equipment and they walked you through it, that would be practical. Watching a video is passive
I don't understand your issue. The tutorial they posted is easy to replicate yourself. It indeed needs a minimum knowledge of handling a camera. If you don't have this, there are tons of other tutorials to even learn that from scratch. If that does not help, you should attend a filmmaking class. IMO youtube is an amazing source of knowledge. I learned so much from here and it is for free@@totallybored5526
Hell yes. Your videos are so good. They were good before but now they are "Soo good!"
I learn more in 1 video here than a year in university.
Cap
Stop lying
@@SilverGas147 ahahah I’m not
@@nikvianna1740when you have been watching film riot for over 10 years, you learn a lot, so every new video introduces a new advanced technique, first year at university is covering basic stuff like, camera angles, movement, lighting.
That’s because you don’t pay attention. So why don’t you quit university and stop sucking the learning and enjoyment of the university for everyone around you
Man, this is mind blowing
currently in film school thanks to your inspiration. thank you filmriot!
Words I never thought I’d say, but... I thoroughly enjoyed watching Justin work it.
🤣
The arguing scene is very reminiscent of a Guy Ritchie film.
Very informative video guys!
The music video clip ya’ll did had me cracking up!
This was awesome thanks so much for so many examples along with visual comparisons! 💚
Thanks so much for the amazing tips. We're big fans!
I swear you guys, always know how to release an episode, when a brother is struggling creatively. I love you guys. *tear*
Does anyone know the frame rate setting for the glitching head shot 8:59 pls I've been wanting to create something like this 🙏
9:01 😮 wow! Well done
Great episode guys! Learned a lot from this one 🙌
music video idea is really great, definitely gonna try it out :D
3:32 Reminds me of the close-up on Brad Pitt in Fight Club when he speaks to the camera and it's like the film roll flickers.
Great video as always, Film Riot 👍👊👊
FilmRiot always gives me the feeling that I’ve acquired a new tool/skill to add to my “creative arsenal”. This episode, like all the others, was fantastic!
This is something I've always wondered about and you guys made it so clear. Awesome as usual!
Woah. This was such a cool video! Thanks for showing how awesome just a change in framerate can alter the entire experience of a video. SO COOL!
Very Informative... especially the car speeding idea
Awesome video, thanks for the explainer!
Whoa. This is so cool!
I love The music video 😂😂😂😂😂😂 thanks great vídeo thanks alot 🙏🏾
Prime tips!! Great video. 👏🏾💯
Great video and tests!!!
Thanks for the reminder about undercranking! It's a tool that I completely forget was in the bag.
Not gonna lie, I haven't ever figured out how this effect was done properly, and this whole thing just made my day
This is something very new I learned today, keep it up.
this is actually really cool!
learned so much from this video!
If you ever watch "Little Shop of Horrors" from 1986, all the shots with the giant plant are undercranked to speed up the plant's movements. They had to use (at the time) cutting edge pitch shifting technology on Levi Stubbs' vocals to slow them down but still have them be intelligible. Any time you see Rick Moranis or Ellen Green interacting with the plant they're miming and lip-syncing at 1/2-2/3 normal speed.
The app is 🔥
I've been waiting for this app for like forever
Awesome info, brother!
The under-cranking, sped up later, ended up being a common uncanny ghostly effect used a lot in the early 2000s. I know Stir of Echoes did it, but I think a couple others too. Really effective.
So they are speeding it back up in post? Was wondering why the 12fps car shot wasn’t jittery if it was shot in 12fps
Where ya been hidin’ this one, Ryan?! So good! So so GOOD!
Great episode
oh man, excellent video, need some more on this, i been filming for a while but i never got into this part of it. interesting
in 6.00 about you Double car speed but also double speed of the flag in background and looks pretty fun on the wind:)
Very cool!
you make me feel cranked
What consumer cameras let you shoot custom frame rates like that? I wish my gh5s did
God, you guys are the shit! Every vid, I learn so much!
recognizing that canon menu. HELL YEA
The undercranking topic is not only super interesting but also reminds me of that awfully boring Denzel Washington movie called "Unstoppable". I love the actor, the presentation is sadly bad though. Maybe hightening up the suspense by using undercranking would have done the trick? =)
I remember "Crank" felt like using that technique but I might fail on that. 😋
can this be done with prosumer level cameras?
I want that t-shirt!!
2:40 hi, can i ask something please? can i put 22fps shot and 24fps shot onto the same timeline in powerdirector?
Dope!
Just one question, if we shoot at 20fps or lower won't I get the stop motion video?
Ryan, Serious question here. When is Andrew Kramer film ever going to be released? You guys got everyone excited about this and then it was never talked about again. Thanks
We talked about a few times after. And have address that it's not happening on the show more than once as well. Like often happens with indie productions, Andrew went very ambitious with it and in the end, it didn't work out.
It's a bummer, but we still got two fun films out of epic summer.
@@filmriot oh okay, I try follow a lot of the episodes but I guess I missed it over the years. Thanks for the update.
Can the Sony A73 and Fx3 shoot at 20fps?
Blender user here with a quick question. Would I run my blender frames at 20 or 22 and then in post in premier run the frames at the normal 24? For the sped up effect
Are there any digital cameras out there which allow you to change frame rate while recording?
Interesting... I can certainly use this for my project. It was funny too.
There so many fun and creative uses to this technique. :)
This is great, another technique to check out is Travis Scott's step printing effect. With a hand held shot following the main subject you get a disoriented feel.
Can you make a video on camera angles we can use to make our short film look like movies by using phone ❤
Does Sony A7SIII have 20 fps option?
Would love to see more in depth tutorial in this under and overcranking shoot
I genuinely love you guys. I’m going to go twerk it, twerk it!
so do you shoot it at 20fps say and drop that shot in your 24fps workflow/sequence?
Do you adjust the shutter speed to double the frame rate creating a sped up feel
I leave the shutter on 180 degrees so the camera does the shifts in shutter for me.
Your videos are always a masterclass crash course! Thanks for making them❤🙌 Watched this video 5 times in a row to understand the math... that's how bad I am at maths🤣 But I still have a doubt- at @5:40 when you are shifting to 12 FPS from 24 FPS you say "...but if we 'over-crank' now...". But slowing down the framerates would mean 'under-cranking' right? What am I missing here🤔?
So what happens to the production audio when it's trying to being sync'd with timecode. Timecode can't be set to off speed frame rates. What's the standard practice?
Forbidden Planet how did they do the melting krell door?
Ryan! Love love love this video. At the 9 minute mark, did you just slow the framerate down for that shot and speed it up further in post??? I want to replicate it but am slightly confused on how it's so jumpy
I shot a chase scene at street legal speed by using a combination of under-cranking and mounting the on-car camera as close to the ground as possible to great effect.
Oh wait, I forgot. In Sony cameras, S&Q mode, (A7SIII) gives FPS of 1/2/4/8/15/30/60/120/240. I remember some people use S&Q for time lapse. Gonna try it now.
Good talk, Im going to try this for a few things. Oooh my fancy Sony A7S III only goes as low at 24 fps. I'm selling it!
I can do on my iPhone 😊 if you watch Tony Scotts film Domino with Keira Knightley it’s filmed at 12 or 18 frames a second it gives it that fantastic blurry motion look
12 FPS in the car shot has a flag that gives it away
I don’t do video, but after watching this, I really want to 😂😮😊. Nice work and explaining. 🤙🏽. Subb’d
Sorry but,I don’t understand how do you set the camera to record less than 24fps?My sony a7siii doesn’t have that.I am confused.
I was always taught that over/undercranking was about shutter speed, not frame rate? For example staying at 24fps, but shooting at 1/60 or higher instead of the standard 1/48 to reduce motion blur and make the shot feel more frantic (like in Saving Private Ryan)
I like your webpage
8:12 is it actually your number?
Haha. No. Just dummy numbers to show producer off.
@@filmriot Oh okay;)
What to do when your camera doesn't have an option to shoot at 20 or 22 fps?
Mad Max Fury Road was sped up in post though
Now I wonder if the frame rate can be hacked using a plug-in the editor. Shoot at 30fps, and pluck out every 3rd frame?
Any thoughts between Producer & Assemble that might make you use one over the other?
Hi Ryan, I would say the main difference is the approach of visualizing a project. Both are certainly very powerful tools. PRODUCER with the predefined ProFlow workflow aims at visualizing the overall production process, whereas Assemble is centered around the Calendar view. There are also lots of smaller differences between the tools that you will discover when trying them out. As we offer a free plan, I recommend to give PRODUCER a shot and find out for yourself which approach works best with your personal working style (BTW we are going to add a calendar view of a project in one of the next upgrades, so that you have a choice what you prefer). Happy producing! 🙌
thank you! I'll check it out@@producermakermachina
Very cool. However I can't change my film rates like this on my Canon R7. But these tricks are cool
How awesome is this! 🫶🏽
I don't think consumer cameras offer such fine control over the recording framerate (and associated exposure times).
Most budget dslrs can't be undercranked to 22fps😢
Maybe I'm a dummy but what camera films in 22, 20, or even 18 frames per second? I've only seen 24, 30, 60 and maybe 120!
😍💙
Love the video, although felt off by the times u started talking about a sponsor in the middle of talking about the undercranking. little complaint, otherwise, awesome vid.
Does anyone else find them selves singing Logo randomly while watching F.R. videos ? 😂
I really enjoy this channel, but it was pretty apparent that greater than half the content was pushing the "Producer" application SUUUPER hyper wildin' wicky-wacky hardcore. I understand why, but... zounds and wow! :O
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I wonder how undercranking in-camera compares to just using a slightly longer shutter speed (i.e., more than 180 degrees). In your video, the fight scene shot at 24fps and then speed up in post looks unnatural because the motion blur no is no longer 180 degree shutter. So what if instead of 1/48s, you shoot it at say 1/40s,-baking in more motion blur, knowing you’re going to speed it up? I ask because non-cinema cameras (like the Canon R5) don’t give granular control over FPS, but obviously do allow manual exposure.
My camera can't shoot at custom frame rate 😢
0:39 *Fewer
I feel like the first half of the video is a bit unclear (am I dumb?)
I don't get the camera settings when undercranking. The post part, I got
If you set your fps to something lower (anything under 24fps) while playing back at 24fps, your footage will appear faster. It's better than speeding up in post because you don't get the same frame jumping and you get proper motion blur. If you do the opposite and go with a higher fps, you get slow motion.
And the shutter speed should (almost) always be 1/(2× fps). So 24 fps means 1/48 shutter speed and 22 fps means 1/44 shutter speed. Shutter speed describes how long your camera takes a picture/frame and should be half as long as the time between the beginning of one frame and the next one. The shutter speed most importantly leads to a blur when there is motion in the frame.
Presume the confusion comes from the fact many budget or older cameras can't freely pick the fps but are limited to set common fps profiles.