The funny thing about a world champ discussing competitive pokemon history is that sometimes it sounds like "And then the trojan horse was accepted as a gift and wheeled into the village. I was one of the guys in there it was crazy"
My favorite thing about Primal Groudon was that it actually hard countered Primal Kyogre on the lead. If your opponent had a Primal Groudon, you could never lead your Primal Kyogre, because their Groudon was probably slower than your Kyogre. In that case, your Kyogre would revert first, and then their Groudon would overwrite your Primordial Sea and your Kyogre no longer threatens it.
To think that Typhlosion and Charizard were shown for defense and offense respectively is remarkable, considering they have the same stats. Fire is truly a remarkable type.
@@xretcyvbnimo He's probably gonna say something like "and also, I'm not gonna talk about Incineroar since I talked about him enough in the first video, but know if i did, he would proably be #1", with some extra time to plug his old video and encourage you to watch it.,
Another crazy thing about Incineroar is that it didn't require a regional gimmick to reach its heights - G-Max Charizard and Primal Groudon are limited to their respective games in which those mechanics can be used, but all Incineroar needs is an Ability Patch to give it its hidden ability and its ready to wreck shop. Great video! I'd love to see a series for every type expand out of this!
The only reason incineroar is #1 is cause of gimmick double battles. Single battles should the official rules they’re way more fun and closer to actual gameplay
He's a genuinely well designed pokemon. If the rest of the dex was given a similar power level smoothing treatment the game would be insanely diverse. He's an honest pokemon. He doesn't rely on just pure offense, defense, typing, ability, or movepool. He dips into everything and supports any pokemon that comes with him. The guy is the protagonist in battles because he's the jack of all trades. If every other mon had his versatility then everyone would/could use their favourite pokemon in competitions without feeling like they're gimping themselves or throwing.
Can I just say how insane the sound design is on this video? None of the sound effects overpower Wolfe’s voice, and they’re all equally entertaining without stealing the show. Big props to the editor.
In singles its absolutely pdon, it warps every metagame around it so significantly its absolutely insane. It's power, bulk and utility with stealth rock (and now spikes in natdex), as well as primal Kyogre not faring as well in singles makes it very hard to deal with both defensively and offensively
It never occurred to me that Hidden Power water would be useful in Desolate Land because it does water-type damage while technically not being water-type. Also nice to hear that random little opinion on what you think is the worst fire-type. Never realised it was something I always wanted to know.
The move still fails under Desolate Land. It's boosted by Rain, weakened by Sun, etcetera. It's only a Normal move when Z boosted or displaying itself to hide the power.
Incineroar uses the Hidden Ability gimmick from Gen 5 for Intimidate. It might be my most hated gimmick ever because it was almost impossible to get ahold of the Pokemon with the Hidden Ability I wanted back before Gen 8. It was just taunting me with what I could never have.
21:19 I understand what you're saying, but this is so funny to see. "Perfect Well Balanced Fire Type" and Primal Groudon in the same sentence is hilarious
I dont play Pokemon competitively, but I think it has to be Incineroar. It doesn't need a Generation Gimmick, and as long as it has Intimidate and access to pivot moves, it'll always be good.
Likewise. I play doubles in Scarlet and Violet on occasion and the fact that I almost always see Incineroar on opposing teams, so I get tired of it pretty quickly and go to single battles. Here's your guy looking to play shiny monotype teams, organizing around that theme as much as possible, then Incineroar comes in and ruins my day. It's one of the reasons, along with the fact I really learned to not take Pokemon as seriously as others, that just makes Pokemon not a fun experience unless I'm playing with friends or family.
I would genuinely love to see you do this series for every type. I know it will take a while and involve a lot of work but I think it would be worth it. I’m very interested on combining the history and facts
I am so unbelievably excited not necessarily to see incin return to vgc but to see the counterplay to it when it does. Clear amulet, covert cloak, and moves like upper hand are gonna make incin's interactions that much more interesting. Can't wait for the incin vs. iron hands battles
One interesting thing to note is that incineroar never had knock off and parting shot in the same format, but might have both in the indigo disk since knock off is a tm in the teal mask
While not overriding the weather, Air Lock (and Cloud Nine to a lesser extent) could also be included as one of the few other ways to hit Primal Groudon with water moves.
I love the balance that Wolfey has for being the right amount of smug. He's humble enough to not mention he's the world champion all the time, but also doesn't ever miss the opportunity to slyly bring it up when he's the innovator of a particular strategy
Another cool thing about fire types is that all 3 of the type's weaknesses have 1 common weakness so if your fire type has even 1 grass type move (like solarbeam which most of them get) they are pretty much completely set with coverage
@@Roflmao6173 not really. Being able to hit dragon and other fire types at least neutraly is more important than dealing non-stab-supereffective damage to a type you should be running from anyways.
Macargo is good in everything but typing. If you set up trick room and u turn out with a fast pokemon, macargo can deal massive damage. Priority still hurts him though
imo Magcargo has a nice design at least. Blacephalon is an unsettling head-asploding clown ghost abomination, and probably the least cool Ultra Beast. and in terms of version exclusives in the Ultra games, Stakataka clears. love that thing.
Man I watched like 4 of your videos today… I’ve never seen so many unskippable ads in my life man… that makes the viewing experience super awesome dude!!!
was it really good tho? both mm2, mega mence and mega gengar are way better pokemon and were way more used in UBERs from what i rmbr. was it even better than mega lucario? in my memory it was just too strong for OU but certainly did not "terrorize" UBERs and while it was clearly not OU i think there were way more broken pokemon that were initially OU like marshadow or mega kang. shit gets walled by giratin and even toxapex can check it as well
@ahmadadnan4773 i am not talking about the matchup against them but the opportunity cost of using a mega blaziken instead of a better mega pokemon. mega mence has way more utility (like checking the best pokemon in the tier and defogging on it, primal groudon) and mega gengar can trap arceus fairy or chansey while mega lucario can revenge kill geomancy xerneas. also knock off doesnt ko either giratina forme even after a swords dance and you cannot hit both giratina and toxapex with the same set unless you drop a STAB move. theres also flare blitz recoil and the tier has strong priority users like e-killer arceus or marshadow, i think mega blaziken is better on paper than in reality.
@ahmadadnan4773 do you even understand how pokemon works? mega salamence checking p-groudon means it can SWITCH INTO IT. m-blaziken cannot switch into p-groudon. m-salamence has a role in the tier that goes beyond "click buttons and hope something dies" and please stop lying m-blaze never kos neither giratina, here are the calcs so please stop talking. 252+ Atk Blaziken-Mega Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 248 HP / 208+ Def Giratina: 180-212 (35.7 - 42.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 252+ Atk Blaziken-Mega Knock Off vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Giratina-Origin: 182-216 (36.1 - 42.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO giratina-o doesnt even need to run defensive investment to avoid the 2hko! and uninvested draco meteor always kos back w this spread 208+ SpA Griseous Orb Giratina-Origin Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blaziken-Mega: 307-363 (101.9 - 120.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
The title of the video: The Best Fire Type Pokemon isn't what you Think. Me: It's Incineroar. Wolfey: Ok it is what you think but allow me to explain. BTW this is a great concept for a video that could turn into a series looking at the different types competitive history and some of the best Pokemon of each type, of course there would be repeats in some positions but still would like this format for other types. Keep up the good work Wolfey 👍
Poketubers always have the best fire type puns, my favorite is shofu "if you want some fire I'll show where the mag be" referencing Magby and a magnum firearm commonly shortened to mag. (Ex. .357mag)
I know it wasn’t a part of the video premise but it’s definitely worth mentioning that incineroar is still a legal form so it isn’t completely shut down by aging out of its generational gimick
And Arcanine-Hisui was World Champion in Seniors too, a much more successful journey than Chi-yu and Ogerpon (Although this one is barely a month old, lol).
@@eelishanninen5153 Yeah but it's winning everything. While it has 4 weaknesses, it also has 7 resistances and grass or fairy tera cover it's weaknesses very well. It's arcanine thats a bit tankier, has better stab, and does more damage. It has intimidate and it has a very strong attacking movepool with flare blitz, rock slide, close combat, wild charge, head smash, crunch, extreme speed, psychic fangs, etc. IIRC it's the best placing fire type in the current season, even above fire ogrepon.
Loved the video Wolfe! Very polished. Think you made the right choice at the end because the Pokémon picked isn’t reliant on a gimmick from any one particular region so can be reused successfully in other generations for the most part
for me another menace was blaziken when he got speed boost if left unchecked it could literally sweep your team 22:06 forgot the most powerful counter the duck with cloud nine
This was such a fun video! I agree with what you picked as the best fire type, but my personal favorite is Hisuian Typhlosion. She's just so cute :) Also, shout out to the editor/s! The editing was so funny and engaging and really added a lot to an already great video.
I would go with Groudon, though I completely understand your call. To me, the only reason that Groudon wasn't the same level of spamability as Incineroar is that when it was viable a SIGNIFICANT portion of your planning was dedicated to specifically it. If you only have an ok incineroar check, you still have a chance. With Groudon, you either had a plan for it or lost. So it didn't win one tournament, but it's telling that the sheer effort of beating it is what proved your World Champion Difference.
In my opinion, Primal Groudon is the best. It placed 2nd through 8th at 2016 with the exception of 6th, and the team that managed to stop it had both Rayquaza AND Kyogre. Plus, the amount of Pokémon that can reasonably and viably run a mixed set is VERY few - pretty much just Groudon. The tools needed to deal with it alone is a good show for how powerful it really was.
With this retrospective here, I am kinda thinking what a format would look with everything legal: -Mega -G-Max -Z Moves -Terra -All Versions of all abilities and moves -etc. Just everything legal, what would that format look like and what would be the best team? I am guessing G-Max Primal Groudon would suddenly be the new best fire type, having also access to the Terra Type swap at any time.
you fail to see that its going to be inceneroar. mega inceneroar combined with gmax combined with his signature z move fire that burns my enthusiasm + the new tera type incineroar gives him the unique ability to delete the oppenents existence. Not in game, irl
the editing of this video is stellar, and i love how you can tell the editor had the most fun in the incineroar section with all the little jokes and sound effects
Definitely agree, although my top reasoning for deciding between the three is the elephant in the room not mentioned. It’s the only 1 of the three that doesn’t rely on a gimmick meaning it’s the only one that will be in future games.
Yeah Heat Crash is pretty cool but it isn't that good for Pdon i think. Pdon is very heavy but so are most legendaries it faces in Ubers, so Heat Crash will rarely reach it's maximum 120 BP. For similar reasons, Low Kick is basicaly Close Combat but better in Ubers since it will consistently have 120 BP without the defense drops.
@@Luragon9876 It all depends on what the intended targets of Heat Crash are at the end of the day. Precipice Blades covers most of those heavier legendaries pretty well, with only Celesteela and maybe Yveltal using Roost mindgames taking all of PBlades, Heat Crash, and, say, Stone Edge for coverage particularly well. Meanwhile, Landorus, Gliscor, and of course Skarmory, Corviknight, and Ferrothorn all get more or less annihilated by 999.7 kg Heat Crash.
19:48 there was a few months when AV incineror was meta, i made top 500 of the ladder in showdown with scarfed incin, devastating especially with parting shot.
Incinaroar's natural resistance to Prankster has led to many team rebuild, and it's bulk is often shocking. But I'm very curious if it will continue this streak in gen 9. I have a feeling clear amulet will get very, very popular
Intimidate is already dominating thanks to ol' reliable Landorus and newcomer Hisuian Arcanine, yet Clear Amulet is virtually nowhere to be seen. Why? Because Clear Amulet is a noob trap; every offensive-inclined Pokemon that could theoretically benefit from it would always rather have another power-boosting item instead.
I love Incineroar - its design and competitive build are top notch.😄 Especially with Tera, it can remove its weaknesses to get a better type if needed. But its greatest moveset with Fake Out and Parting Shot can be bypassed with Covert Cloak and Clear Amulet respectively. So i curious how it will fair in Gen 9. What is your take on this? 🤔
those items won't make any difference to Incineroar; the meta is already full of Fake Out (Iron Hands, Rillaboom) and Intimidate (Landorus, H-Arcanine) and yet those two items are rarely ever seen Cloak has only been used on Tornadus which Incineroar can just pivot out of for free and Clear Amulet is a meme; offensive Pokemon would far rather run offensive items that boost their power
@@IncineRand Sure but Ogerpon made players run Tera Dragon. Intimidate made players run Clear amulet and Lash out when there is Defiant and Guard Dog. I am basically saying anything is possible, so things can be said with Incineroar around the corner
Before hearing his final opinion: it's gotta be Incineroar. He's the only one that doesn't just warp the format. I feel like he added more to how those seasons were played.
incineroar combines two of my favorite things; cats and wrestling. ever since i saw it's design i was in love with it, so happy it's a menace. will never get sick of seeing it.
@@scottcrysel I think its number 2 to Urshifu cause of course Drizzle on switch in and Water Spout boosted by that is huge damage on everything in the game and has won 2 world championships but does that out weight the strength of being able to always crit, hit multiple times and by pass through protect and has one world championship. I wanna see how which one Wolfey values more. But top three def is Urshifu, Kyorge and Gastrodon and I dont think any others come close besides maybe Fini
@@TwilightChomperEnthusiastnot really for silvally to be a Fire type It needs an object which removes its possibilities of having : recovery/additional damage/support capability Roms do also not give silvally any boost as the plates do so It is really hard for him maybe if he could be any type AND be able to hold an object It could have a chance
There's a pokemon fan game called rejuvenation added Silvally Crest. STAB moves are 1.8 stronger than 1.5 stronger (like Arceus's plate). On top of that every type has it's unique ability. It still suffers the huge movepool overhaul tho I know it's a HUGE wish but cmon Silvally is a fan favourite (and legendary). But hey a man can dream
Question: Will Incineroar still be broken with Iron Hands around? Iron Hands absolutely shrugs off all of Incineroar's Dark-type attacks, doesn't particularly care for its Flare Blitz, also has access to Fake Out, and can threaten it super effectively with Drain Punch.
and yet Hands itself is affected by intimidate ensuring the cat survives anything thrown at it, PLUS Incineroar outspeeds and can/will Parting Shot it into uselessness
@@IncineRandwhen reality sets in that incineroar is not meant to beat iron hands but allow its teammates to knock it out. Truly the team player of all time
As a fire type enjoyer ( its my favorite type ) and a incineroar enjoyer ( its my favorite Pokemon ) i also think its the BEST fire type of all time , since its the BEST suport but also you couldn't let him alone since it's decent damage output , that Pokemon made me enter máster rank for the first time when i was a "noob" in competitive Pokemon , its been my favourite since i started playing and its the one that i think its the BEST of all time Edit : also wolfe forgot something , incineroar beeing dark type makes It inmune yo prankster , so It can be taunted by tornadus , grimsnarl etc...
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MAKE THIS A SERIES AHHHHH
love your vids
This was such a banger of a video, thanks to all the stuff I learned here, I could anticipate what was in store and enjoyed it very much :)
Rilaboom part actually got me
But where’s Blaziken? 😢
A full series for every type in a video like this would be nice
AGREED
Facts
Would be cool, but like cmon, not gonna be a whole lot of contenders for bug, poison, ice, and maybe flying
@@MEISMUDKIPS fair, for flying i bet it'd be landorus so i guess you are right
We need this in our lives, Wolfey hear our calls
Parting Shot is such a funny idea. Incineroar basically just calls you a bitch as he leaves. 😂
LMAO💀
Nobody:
Incineroar: You got bad credit! *bails*
I mean he IS a dark type.
And then he comes back, calls you a btch again with intimidate and slaps you in the face
I picture star lord flipping off Thanos and then portal away 😂
The funny thing about a world champ discussing competitive pokemon history is that sometimes it sounds like "And then the trojan horse was accepted as a gift and wheeled into the village. I was one of the guys in there it was crazy"
Did you just call Troy a "village"?
@@rodric465 I didn't do history as a subject for a reason
but troy is a village@@rodric465
What
@@tady_toesyeah cause a German guy blew it up in the 1800s
My favorite thing about Primal Groudon was that it actually hard countered Primal Kyogre on the lead. If your opponent had a Primal Groudon, you could never lead your Primal Kyogre, because their Groudon was probably slower than your Kyogre. In that case, your Kyogre would revert first, and then their Groudon would overwrite your Primordial Sea and your Kyogre no longer threatens it.
Thats why Wolfe brought Ray-Ogre to worlds.
To think that Typhlosion and Charizard were shown for defense and offense respectively is remarkable, considering they have the same stats. Fire is truly a remarkable type.
"The fire type really is made up of fire." -Tohsaka Rin, probably
Actually think its Rillaboom, he seems to be always a Fire-type in my games...and also a world champion already
Watched till the end gang
Agreed 👍
Was gonna type that but I suppose I’m a few hours late
monke go boom 🔨
rillaboom is on fire when he comes out ( literally )
All these fire types and the hottest thing in the video is still Wolfey
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Waiting for the dark type video to be Incineroar as well
i mean it is
Yep
That's the only downside to doing this as a series is all the crossovers.
@@xretcyvbnimo He's probably gonna say something like "and also, I'm not gonna talk about Incineroar since I talked about him enough in the first video, but know if i did, he would proably be #1", with some extra time to plug his old video and encourage you to watch it.,
@@Endershock1678no because that would spoil the video, making the viewer less curious to watch it if they already know the result
Incineroar is simply that guy, he is literally constructed out of a different material just built completely different.
Inceneroar isn’t even that good. Double battles are just unbalanced and broken. Official vgc rules suck
@@lurkingsoldi2107 bait used to be believable
Another crazy thing about Incineroar is that it didn't require a regional gimmick to reach its heights - G-Max Charizard and Primal Groudon are limited to their respective games in which those mechanics can be used, but all Incineroar needs is an Ability Patch to give it its hidden ability and its ready to wreck shop. Great video! I'd love to see a series for every type expand out of this!
The only reason incineroar is #1 is cause of gimmick double battles. Single battles should the official rules they’re way more fun and closer to actual gameplay
Not to mention, theres no gimmicks behind incinaroars power. As long as he is legal and his moveset doesn't change, he's generation proof.
He's a genuinely well designed pokemon.
If the rest of the dex was given a similar power level smoothing treatment the game would be insanely diverse.
He's an honest pokemon. He doesn't rely on just pure offense, defense, typing, ability, or movepool. He dips into everything and supports any pokemon that comes with him.
The guy is the protagonist in battles because he's the jack of all trades. If every other mon had his versatility then everyone would/could use their favourite pokemon in competitions without feeling like they're gimping themselves or throwing.
@@SkyNinja759But then a lot of Pokémon would feel same-y. Incin is well-designed, but… I think Syndrome of _The Incredibles_ fame said it best
@@SkyNinja759Smaller metagames are just better to play.
yeah, keep acting like giving a pokemon, parting shot, u turn, intimade and fake out in the same set inst OP.
@Madifuhao-ym1ut oh there's no denying that. It's complete bs. But he's here, legal, and dumb strong
I agree with the incineroar take because of how insanely flexible he is and how he could buff any team he’s added to
But it nerfs every Team. It's a furry
@@TheRealAquazso true
Can I just say how insane the sound design is on this video?
None of the sound effects overpower Wolfe’s voice, and they’re all equally entertaining without stealing the show. Big props to the editor.
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In singles its absolutely pdon, it warps every metagame around it so significantly its absolutely insane. It's power, bulk and utility with stealth rock (and now spikes in natdex), as well as primal Kyogre not faring as well in singles makes it very hard to deal with both defensively and offensively
It never occurred to me that Hidden Power water would be useful in Desolate Land because it does water-type damage while technically not being water-type. Also nice to hear that random little opinion on what you think is the worst fire-type. Never realised it was something I always wanted to know.
The move still fails under Desolate Land. It's boosted by Rain, weakened by Sun, etcetera. It's only a Normal move when Z boosted or displaying itself to hide the power.
And to think that both groudon and zard need to use a gimmick , while incineroar is straight up busted without using anything really shows something
Incineroar uses the Hidden Ability gimmick from Gen 5 for Intimidate. It might be my most hated gimmick ever because it was almost impossible to get ahold of the Pokemon with the Hidden Ability I wanted back before Gen 8. It was just taunting me with what I could never have.
groudon doesn't "need a gimmick" it's super strong on its own, it just isn't a fire type so it wasn't mentioned in this video
@@Asp_N ...isn't Groudon fire ground ?
@@nether_prince3021 Primal Groudon is. Regular ol' Groudon's just Ground.
@@masterplusmargarita *insert Pikachu's surprised face
21:19 I understand what you're saying, but this is so funny to see. "Perfect Well Balanced Fire Type" and Primal Groudon in the same sentence is hilarious
“Those words, can they even be used together in a sentence like that”
I dont play Pokemon competitively, but I think it has to be Incineroar. It doesn't need a Generation Gimmick, and as long as it has Intimidate and access to pivot moves, it'll always be good.
@@tady_toestyphlosion is pure fire and has a worse movepool
@@falconx8402 but eruption strong and go boom 💥 💥 💥
@@tady_toes
Typhlosion could gain 10 stats everywhere and still wouldn’t see play.
Likewise. I play doubles in Scarlet and Violet on occasion and the fact that I almost always see Incineroar on opposing teams, so I get tired of it pretty quickly and go to single battles. Here's your guy looking to play shiny monotype teams, organizing around that theme as much as possible, then Incineroar comes in and ruins my day. It's one of the reasons, along with the fact I really learned to not take Pokemon as seriously as others, that just makes Pokemon not a fun experience unless I'm playing with friends or family.
Incineroar is my favorite Fire Starter from the start and been so happy with how much it has gotten love over time and caused such chaos.
I would genuinely love to see you do this series for every type. I know it will take a while and involve a lot of work but I think it would be worth it. I’m very interested on combining the history and facts
Doing every type almost certainly isn't worth it when the dark type video will come to the same conclusion as this one
The moment I clicked onto this video, I just knew it was gonna be Incineroar. I will never forget Wolfey's rants about Xerneas and Incineroar lmfao
I am so unbelievably excited not necessarily to see incin return to vgc but to see the counterplay to it when it does. Clear amulet, covert cloak, and moves like upper hand are gonna make incin's interactions that much more interesting. Can't wait for the incin vs. iron hands battles
Not to mention with nerfs to abilities like Intimidate it can’t rely on constantly switching in and out for multiple activations
Incineroar out here single handedly balancing the game by its existence alone
I can already tell you, the Counterplay is gonna be use your own Incineroar.
@@Cloud_Danceris you on crack.
@@Cloud_Dancer what nerfs? It still operates the exact same as when it was created.
One interesting thing to note is that incineroar never had knock off and parting shot in the same format, but might have both in the indigo disk since knock off is a tm in the teal mask
While not overriding the weather, Air Lock (and Cloud Nine to a lesser extent) could also be included as one of the few other ways to hit Primal Groudon with water moves.
Wouldn't neutralizing gas also work?
@@sinteleon yes, however both have not both existed in VGC at the same time, yet.
I remember the amount of people running golduck specifically to kill primal groudon. It doesn't work most of the time
@@iwannaseehowlongyoucanmakethis "It didn't work....it did not work. "
I’m surprised that Blaziken wasn’t even mentioned. Like Incineroar, it’s been really good since getting its hidden ability.
I love the balance that Wolfey has for being the right amount of smug. He's humble enough to not mention he's the world champion all the time, but also doesn't ever miss the opportunity to slyly bring it up when he's the innovator of a particular strategy
Another cool thing about fire types is that all 3 of the type's weaknesses have 1 common weakness so if your fire type has even 1 grass type move (like solarbeam which most of them get) they are pretty much completely set with coverage
Thats not really how coverage works, you need to cover the types that RESIST fire and those are Water, Rock, Dragon and other Fire types.
Thing is very few Fire types not named Scovillain and Ogerpon H have access to reliable Grass coverage
very true
@@walaceandrade4046 to be fair that just makes it a bigger deal considering grass deals with 2 of those too
@@Roflmao6173 not really. Being able to hit dragon and other fire types at least neutraly is more important than dealing non-stab-supereffective damage to a type you should be running from anyways.
Wolfey: “What is the WORST fire-type?”
Magcargo: “oh no”
Wolfey: “Blacephalon”
Magcargo: 😮💨
😂
Macargo is good in everything but typing. If you set up trick room and u turn out with a fast pokemon, macargo can deal massive damage. Priority still hurts him though
imo Magcargo has a nice design at least. Blacephalon is an unsettling head-asploding clown ghost abomination, and probably the least cool Ultra Beast. and in terms of version exclusives in the Ultra games, Stakataka clears. love that thing.
@dvillines26 naganadel hard clears. love stakataka tho
@@dvillines26 It's so unsettling as if it was an alien. Oh wait, IT IS
0:09 i wonder what’s behind that ❌
Man I watched like 4 of your videos today… I’ve never seen so many unskippable ads in my life man… that makes the viewing experience super awesome dude!!!
I can’t wait for Incineroar to dominate the landscape once again when Indigo Disk drops
And it just got a new fluttery friend
Tf is indigo disk
@@Eizengoldt The second Scarlet and Violet dlc coming out mid December. The first part is the Teal Mask, second is Indigo Disk
Phenomenal editing in this one, especially during the Incineroar section. Had me losing my shit
Shoutout to Mega Blaziken for terrorizing UBERS in singles 👍
I never knew it was GOOD in ubers, just that it was in it. What generation was this?
@@daniellejackson6543 Mega = Gen 6. But yes. Speed boost + 160 Base Attack is good :D
was it really good tho? both mm2, mega mence and mega gengar are way better pokemon and were way more used in UBERs from what i rmbr. was it even better than mega lucario? in my memory it was just too strong for OU but certainly did not "terrorize" UBERs and while it was clearly not OU i think there were way more broken pokemon that were initially OU like marshadow or mega kang. shit gets walled by giratin and even toxapex can check it as well
@ahmadadnan4773 i am not talking about the matchup against them but the opportunity cost of using a mega blaziken instead of a better mega pokemon. mega mence has way more utility (like checking the best pokemon in the tier and defogging on it, primal groudon) and mega gengar can trap arceus fairy or chansey while mega lucario can revenge kill geomancy xerneas.
also knock off doesnt ko either giratina forme even after a swords dance and you cannot hit both giratina and toxapex with the same set unless you drop a STAB move.
theres also flare blitz recoil and the tier has strong priority users like e-killer arceus or marshadow, i think mega blaziken is better on paper than in reality.
@ahmadadnan4773 do you even understand how pokemon works? mega salamence checking p-groudon means it can SWITCH INTO IT. m-blaziken cannot switch into p-groudon. m-salamence has a role in the tier that goes beyond "click buttons and hope something dies" and please stop lying m-blaze never kos neither giratina, here are the calcs so please stop talking. 252+ Atk Blaziken-Mega Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 248 HP / 208+ Def Giratina: 180-212 (35.7 - 42.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Blaziken-Mega Knock Off vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Giratina-Origin: 182-216 (36.1 - 42.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
giratina-o doesnt even need to run defensive investment to avoid the 2hko! and uninvested draco meteor always kos back w this spread 208+ SpA Griseous Orb Giratina-Origin Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blaziken-Mega: 307-363 (101.9 - 120.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
The title of the video: The Best Fire Type Pokemon isn't what you Think.
Me: It's Incineroar.
Wolfey: Ok it is what you think but allow me to explain.
BTW this is a great concept for a video that could turn into a series looking at the different types competitive history and some of the best Pokemon of each type, of course there would be repeats in some positions but still would like this format for other types. Keep up the good work Wolfey 👍
5:42 The transition of tera grass heatran to tera fairy heatran while also keeping the flow of the animation is too smooth🫡
You’re the best fire type Wolfe, pumping out all this heat
The editing in this video is actually insane, wow 🔥
We need a video of this for water and grass atleast
Kyogre
A*oonguss for Grass
Caterpie
Probably Kyogre and Rillaboom respectively imo
Dracovish
Poketubers always have the best fire type puns, my favorite is shofu "if you want some fire I'll show where the mag be" referencing Magby and a magnum firearm commonly shortened to mag. (Ex. .357mag)
I love Incinaroar, and very glad he is getting some recognition. One of my favorite starters and my favorite fire type.
"some" recognition it has absolutely dominated vgc lmao
I know it wasn’t a part of the video premise but it’s definitely worth mentioning that incineroar is still a legal form so it isn’t completely shut down by aging out of its generational gimick
You should’ve given an honorable mention to VGC’s newest riding star, Hisuian-Arcanine
Same reason chi yu and Ogerpon weren’t on the list. Only been legal for one full season
@@therealivysaurit has 2 4x weaknesses and 2 regular weaknesses not 4. Plus it has a good base stat total and move pool.
And Arcanine-Hisui was World Champion in Seniors too, a much more successful journey than Chi-yu and Ogerpon (Although this one is barely a month old, lol).
@@eelishanninen5153 Yeah but it's winning everything. While it has 4 weaknesses, it also has 7 resistances and grass or fairy tera cover it's weaknesses very well. It's arcanine thats a bit tankier, has better stab, and does more damage. It has intimidate and it has a very strong attacking movepool with flare blitz, rock slide, close combat, wild charge, head smash, crunch, extreme speed, psychic fangs, etc.
IIRC it's the best placing fire type in the current season, even above fire ogrepon.
@@therealivysaurits winning every regionals after dlc
I think it's Incineroar tbh. It's flexibility of it's moves and the fact that you don't need a Red Orb or Dynamax to use it makes it even better.
Loved the video Wolfe! Very polished. Think you made the right choice at the end because the Pokémon picked isn’t reliant on a gimmick from any one particular region so can be reused successfully in other generations for the most part
Lmao at the Incineroar section editing. Loved it.
I've been preaching the Incineroar gospel for years on it's GOAT status. No surprise here.
for me another menace was blaziken when he got speed boost if left unchecked it could literally sweep your team
22:06 forgot the most powerful counter the duck with cloud nine
Still can lol. Incoming in dlc in a few weeks 😮
@@scottcrysel yep tera blaziken Is going to be a nightmare to deal with
I guess he didn't mention it, because it's rather lackluster in VGC, but 100% bonkers in Singles.
being mega blaz even better than mega charizard y
Blaziken is such a menace that with speed boost it's most probably even better than its mega.
This was such a fun video! I agree with what you picked as the best fire type, but my personal favorite is Hisuian Typhlosion. She's just so cute :)
Also, shout out to the editor/s! The editing was so funny and engaging and really added a lot to an already great video.
I would go with Groudon, though I completely understand your call. To me, the only reason that Groudon wasn't the same level of spamability as Incineroar is that when it was viable a SIGNIFICANT portion of your planning was dedicated to specifically it. If you only have an ok incineroar check, you still have a chance. With Groudon, you either had a plan for it or lost. So it didn't win one tournament, but it's telling that the sheer effort of beating it is what proved your World Champion Difference.
The production value in this video is *insane*. 10/10 WELL DONE, team :)
Wolfe made a list, then honorable mentions, then 2 versions of honorable mention honorable mentions. Incredible
That incineroar speech had me DYING with the edits😂😂
Fire types have so many great designs and mons, I can’t wait to see what Wolfey thinks is the best!
He's talking about competitive
@@mathieul4303*_OR IS HE???_*
Great vid as usual. The more frenetic editing went a long way in keeping the energy up!
Can we get a video like this for every typing? Amazing animations, effects, presentation as always 11/10.
It's gonna be Incineroar right? Incineroar is such a customizable Pokemon and with access to some great support moves, it's just the best.
In my opinion, Primal Groudon is the best. It placed 2nd through 8th at 2016 with the exception of 6th, and the team that managed to stop it had both Rayquaza AND Kyogre. Plus, the amount of Pokémon that can reasonably and viably run a mixed set is VERY few - pretty much just Groudon. The tools needed to deal with it alone is a good show for how powerful it really was.
I agree Prim Groudon is the most "Powerful" fire type..
But not the best fire type
With this retrospective here, I am kinda thinking what a format would look with everything legal:
-Mega
-G-Max
-Z Moves
-Terra
-All Versions of all abilities and moves
-etc.
Just everything legal, what would that format look like and what would be the best team?
I am guessing G-Max Primal Groudon would suddenly be the new best fire type, having also access to the Terra Type swap at any time.
you fail to see that its going to be inceneroar. mega inceneroar combined with gmax combined with his signature z move fire that burns my enthusiasm + the new tera type incineroar gives him the unique ability to delete the oppenents existence. Not in game, irl
you set up for a 10/10 slugma balls joke perfectly, multiple times, and i admire your restraint
the editing of this video is stellar, and i love how you can tell the editor had the most fun in the incineroar section with all the little jokes and sound effects
0:01 soccer incineroar
A full series with videos like this for every type would be really cool 💚❤️💙
Incineroar is and will always be the best fire type in VGC. Can’t wait to see how many people will use it in the next SV DLC.
Probably most of them, its too damn useful NOT to run it in most teams
Annihilape will be running rampant because it was built in a lab to counter everything Incineroar does lol
Annihilape has its own share of problems that Incin's teammates can simply take care of@@scottcrysel
@@scottcrysel As long as the Tapus aren’t around to back up Incineroar.
@@snapclub8751 supposedly we'll be able to catch all previous Legendaries in the Indigo Disk DLC, including the Tapus
Definitely agree, although my top reasoning for deciding between the three is the elephant in the room not mentioned. It’s the only 1 of the three that doesn’t rely on a gimmick meaning it’s the only one that will be in future games.
yooo this video was great!! but can we take a minute to appreciate the editing?? had me in tears with every joke. great work!!
In national dex you can now use heatcrash with primal groudon. Meaning that it now has a 120 power physical fire type attack that CAN'T miss
Yeah Heat Crash is pretty cool but it isn't that good for Pdon i think. Pdon is very heavy but so are most legendaries it faces in Ubers, so Heat Crash will rarely reach it's maximum 120 BP.
For similar reasons, Low Kick is basicaly Close Combat but better in Ubers since it will consistently have 120 BP without the defense drops.
@@Luragon9876 It all depends on what the intended targets of Heat Crash are at the end of the day. Precipice Blades covers most of those heavier legendaries pretty well, with only Celesteela and maybe Yveltal using Roost mindgames taking all of PBlades, Heat Crash, and, say, Stone Edge for coverage particularly well. Meanwhile, Landorus, Gliscor, and of course Skarmory, Corviknight, and Ferrothorn all get more or less annihilated by 999.7 kg Heat Crash.
@@brendan1871 I agree, it's strong and f*cks certain targets. I was just pointing out that it isn't super spammable.
@@Luragon9876
Meanwhile, every Gouging Fire running Heat Crash in Reg F
@@Endershock1678 That's cool, and *completely irrelevant* considering we were talking about Smogon Singles NatDex Ubers, not VGC.
would love to watch this for every type
Your Pokémon content is levels beyond anyone else man. Keep up the great work!
Calling Hidden Power “Boomer Tera Blast” killed me lol
So much self-insert but it makes the video even better 😂
19:48 there was a few months when AV incineror was meta, i made top 500 of the ladder in showdown with scarfed incin, devastating especially with parting shot.
Incinaroar's natural resistance to Prankster has led to many team rebuild, and it's bulk is often shocking. But I'm very curious if it will continue this streak in gen 9. I have a feeling clear amulet will get very, very popular
Intimidate is already dominating thanks to ol' reliable Landorus and newcomer Hisuian Arcanine, yet Clear Amulet is virtually nowhere to be seen. Why?
Because Clear Amulet is a noob trap; every offensive-inclined Pokemon that could theoretically benefit from it would always rather have another power-boosting item instead.
@@IncineRandYour onion, m8.
I absolutely want to see this series for every type of
please do all types!!!!
So excited to see some of my gameplay made the wideo! My rotom at 1:53
I'm like 90% sure he got a new editor and I'm all for it
Groudon is the GOAT imo, even though i feel like Incineroar is just the best competitive Pokémon of all time.
Out of the entire type
You can’t find one better
Nothing can stop
The incineroar meta
I beg wolfey makes a “how good would megas be in gen 9” video
Good idea
3:20 A champion against a future champion
The editing in this video popped the hell off, amazing work!
I love Incineroar - its design and competitive build are top notch.😄 Especially with Tera, it can remove its weaknesses to get a better type if needed. But its greatest moveset with Fake Out and Parting Shot can be bypassed with Covert Cloak and Clear Amulet respectively. So i curious how it will fair in Gen 9. What is your take on this? 🤔
those items won't make any difference to Incineroar; the meta is already full of Fake Out (Iron Hands, Rillaboom) and Intimidate (Landorus, H-Arcanine) and yet those two items are rarely ever seen
Cloak has only been used on Tornadus which Incineroar can just pivot out of for free and Clear Amulet is a meme; offensive Pokemon would far rather run offensive items that boost their power
@@IncineRand Sure but Ogerpon made players run Tera Dragon. Intimidate made players run Clear amulet and Lash out when there is Defiant and Guard Dog. I am basically saying anything is possible, so things can be said with Incineroar around the corner
It's actually slugma
We need the agency x wolfey collab again
Before hearing his final opinion: it's gotta be Incineroar. He's the only one that doesn't just warp the format. I feel like he added more to how those seasons were played.
P-Groudon is probably my favorite pokemon since gen 4. They just took the cool gen 3 legendary look and dialed it up to 11
You should do this for each type.
Fire type has always been my favorite, Charizard was my first starter as a kid and Blaziken is my all time favorite Pokémon
16:13 LMAO THE INCINEROARS
the edits for incineraor had me o the floor dying XXDDDD
NAH im convince mid way throught the video you got a different editor
incineroar combines two of my favorite things; cats and wrestling. ever since i saw it's design i was in love with it, so happy it's a menace. will never get sick of seeing it.
You should do the best water type next, Im intrested to see if you think Urshifu sweeps or not
Kyogre is for sure the top water
@@scottcryselGastrodon has just as many worlds wins 👀
@@scottcrysel I think its number 2 to Urshifu cause of course Drizzle on switch in and Water Spout boosted by that is huge damage on everything in the game and has won 2 world championships but does that out weight the strength of being able to always crit, hit multiple times and by pass through protect and has one world championship. I wanna see how which one Wolfey values more. But top three def is Urshifu, Kyorge and Gastrodon and I dont think any others come close besides maybe Fini
Would love to see a full series on every type
Well, Silvally-Fire should be in the top -5 or else I’ll be sad. Truly an amazing Pokémon that is SSSS tier in any tier list.
i could Only Wish on that lol
@@Mepphy99 Underrated Pokémon really.
@@TwilightChomperEnthusiastnot really
for silvally to be a Fire type It needs an object which removes its possibilities of having : recovery/additional damage/support capability
Roms do also not give silvally any boost as the plates do
so It is really hard for him
maybe if he could be any type AND be able to hold an object It could have a chance
Silvally is my favourite Pokémon, tied with Lycanroc. Silvally definitely deserves more love! 😔🙏
There's a pokemon fan game called rejuvenation added Silvally Crest. STAB moves are 1.8 stronger than 1.5 stronger (like Arceus's plate). On top of that every type has it's unique ability. It still suffers the huge movepool overhaul tho
I know it's a HUGE wish but cmon Silvally is a fan favourite (and legendary). But hey a man can dream
Ok, so for Christmas, we need to send Wolfey a bunch of Incineroar plushies.
Editor popped off on this one. Great job whoever edits these videos
Question: Will Incineroar still be broken with Iron Hands around? Iron Hands absolutely shrugs off all of Incineroar's Dark-type attacks, doesn't particularly care for its Flare Blitz, also has access to Fake Out, and can threaten it super effectively with Drain Punch.
and yet Hands itself is affected by intimidate ensuring the cat survives anything thrown at it, PLUS Incineroar outspeeds and can/will Parting Shot it into uselessness
Incen will just hide and run again and again with intimidate and parting shot bc Incen is faster than Hand
@@IncineRandwhen reality sets in that incineroar is not meant to beat iron hands but allow its teammates to knock it out. Truly the team player of all time
As a fire type enjoyer ( its my favorite type ) and a incineroar enjoyer ( its my favorite Pokemon ) i also think its the BEST fire type of all time , since its the BEST suport but also you couldn't let him alone since it's decent damage output , that Pokemon made me enter máster rank for the first time when i was a "noob" in competitive Pokemon , its been my favourite since i started playing and its the one that i think its the BEST of all time
Edit : also wolfe forgot something , incineroar beeing dark type makes It inmune yo prankster , so It can be taunted by tornadus , grimsnarl etc...
I’d say primal groudon because it’s stats are so op and used correctly can cause massive damage and only having one weakness helps a lot
Justified/Assault Vest arcanine carried me through most of Sw/Sh’s lifespan. Good stuff!
The editing on this is sublime