I still think is a bit unfair to put Charizard at Number 1 when it’s literally the most gimmick reliant starter in the series. Like the fact it NEEDS a gimmick to be good is not a good trait for a starter. Especially when that gimmick is banned for some reason which leaves Charizard with hardly any good viability to pick between other Fire Starters.
Mind you, it can deal massive damage if paired with Torkoal and is wearing boots. Solar Power + Life Orb in sun, plus its solid enough speed and power means that it can really dish out the pain. Though in singles, it's going to struggle. I got nothing for that. Not the best starter without a gimmick, but certainly not bad.
@@marianheitmann1337 agreed incinroar number 1 in doubles and blazeken in single(even include mega) lizardon is weakest in both formats due to obvious weakness.
Love the recognition of Incineroar! It has won every world championship it has been legal for while it has intimidate. Even got up to an 80% usage rate at one point in USUM lol
For any singles players who don’t understand why Incineroar is so busted in doubles: You choose only four of your six possible Pokémon for a battle. Then, Intimidate affects both opposing Pokémon. The move Fake Out is one of the top five best moves in doubles, because it prevents one of the opposing Pokémon from leveraging whatever synergy it was intended to leverage. Additionally, being immune to Prankster means it’s unlikely to get Thunder Waved, Taunted, etc. THEN, it has Parting Shot, which lowers the opposing Pokémon’s offensive stats again AND returns it to the Pokeball… so you can Intimidate and Fake Out AGAIN. And lastly, it can use basically any non- Choice item it wants. You could even run Assault Vest by replacing Parting Shot with U-Turn and giving it some additional longevity by giving it either Drain Punch or Leech Life.
I love the fire starters and usually go that way depending on the starters involved. I don't think gigantamax or mega evolutions should be included as to how strong or weak a fire starter is because not all fire starters are able to gigantamax or mega evolve. I think it gives these other starters an unfair advantage when ranking them.
I’m can see an argument be made for that, but at the same time Mega and Gigantamax is part of what makes those certain pokemon as good as they are. To me it’s like saying Incinaroar is good, but it’s not allowed to use intimidate since none of the other starters get it. Like, that’s not the starter’s fault it has something that gives it an advantage over others. Like Charizard with its gimmicks, and blaziken with its mega, Skeledurge with its Tera, Cinderace with its Gigantamax, and even Incinaroar with its z move.
I get what you're saying but is a good gimmick form any more of an "unfair advantage" than simply having better stats or a better movepool? Really I think the only way to do this is to consider everything _within a particular context_ so are we considering just a casual story playthrough? Singles or Doubles? vs. just its generation or all future generations?
Megas are no longer a thing there is a reason why zard is NU And inceneroar might be the best starter in vgc but it can't even hold a candle for infernape or skele in singles As hard it is to admit cinderace and skele are the best currently (skele even ended up top 10 ubers lmao) Followed by ken and nape
I know you decided to not talk about teras unless you need to but I do love that when Delphox was a 7 star raid it had the fairy typing. Definitely a challenge as Delphox's moveset counters both the fairy weaknesses and then being able to use a fairy move for stab is pretty good. ❤ Even if it was lower on the list I appreciate you giving it some appreciation as it's my favourite fire starter besides Typhlosion/H. Typhlosion and Infernape.
Just gonna say it, I think Emboar is underrated. I like the design, and I like having some bulk, even if that bulk is only in the form of HP. I'll concede that Emboar ends up in the bottom half, but I think standard Typhlosian is at the very bottom
I’ve been running Incineroar and its exclusive Z-Move in Ultra Sun a lot! I even trashed Giovanni’s Mega Mewtwo X with it after being left with 1 HP thanks to our bond!
Love Blaziken. My favourite Pokémon of all time. I love the design and my boy helped me beat sapphire like 100 times. Also Mega Blaziken is unstoppable
See if I used Emboar AT ALL, the ONLY Fire Type atk I'd use is Flame Charge, just so I can make Emboar's worst stat, scary to box with some poke that would just out speed 2-3 hit depending on high or low roll of atk
About the base charizard and typhlosion comparison, charizard has a better movepool for coverage, swords dance and belly drum to boost attack, and an additional type for stab. I was playing regulation d on s/v and got to masterball rank with a charizard with acrobatics, flame charge, thunder punch, and belly drum. I think charizard without gimmicks is at least top 3 since you can run him as either a physical attacker or special attacker. I personally think that incineroar is the best fire starter though, that thing was on like everyone's team for a reason. Although Charizard is still my favorite lol.
@@jointser1008 i will admit my bias, but I didn't make any false claims about it. Charizard is a powerful pokemon. Looking back on it, I probably wouldn't have him be top 3 now. Incineroar, Blaziken, and Cinderace would probably be better in most situations. I will still hold my stance that he's better than the rest of the fire starters though.
@@insaneadem5014 i don't know man. i feel like infernape and skeledirge are also better than baseform charizard. Infernape is insanely versatile. he can learn all likes of set-up moves (swordsdance,bulk up,nasty plot, calm mind) he can set up stealth rock, has insane coverage in the likes of acrobatics,zen headbutt,grass knot,thunder punch, poison jab,stone edge and knock off. he can also basically learn all attacks charizard can except for flying and dragon moves. he can learn a priority move and fake out. his hidden ability iron fist increases the damage of thunder punch mach punch and fire punch for a safer stab move. you can play him very well physical or special since he learned aura sphere and you don't have to rely on focus miss anymore. he is also faster than charizard and has a better typing.And skeledirge is just very bulky and torch song is very strong.
@@jointser1008 i agree with most of that, my problem with skeledirge is that he's only bulky with terra. His fire/ghost typing hinders him in my opinion. Too many dark types running around. If terra was permanent in future gens then I would put him above zard. I don't think infernape is better because I think the fighting type is worse than the flying type. Whenever I run infernape it's like all the flying types come out and like zard he's frail, unlike zard however infernape is not immune to ground. I will admit to having fun with my swords dance infernape though lol.
@@insaneadem5014 fair point with ground immunities something i forgot to think about that. i didn't make really good experiences with fire/flying stealth rock and any stone type move just hurts too much.
Great video Mystic. Was hoping for Cinderace, Incineroar, Infernape, or Blaziken to be number 1. That does bode a question though: If we get the Gen Vi remakes, do you think we'll have Charizard Z? Any chance for another ranking for Eeveeloutions?
As much as I don’t care for Cinderace, I can’t deny its impact in the meta. It got the single most damaging signature move in the game and another where it turns hazards against the opponent.
As much as I love Delphox, I understand why you ranked her where you did. Fire/Psychic is a really nasty type combo, but Delphox has a couple of issues that really hamper it. The biggest one is arguably its hidden ability, Magician. I mean, it fits thematically for what GameFreak was going for with Delphox, but it could’ve been a lot better. Magic Guard, Magic Bounce or even Fur Coat to help with its lack of physical bulk would’ve probably been better.
My personal ranking: 10. Typlosion - despite being the best choice among the gen 2 starters, it just fails to give a good reason to be higher than the other fire starter. 9. Emboar 8. Delphox 7. Hisuan Typlosion 6. Infernape - the reason why gen 4 feels complicated to determine whether its hard or easy. It feels being force to use Infernape since no other fire type is viable. 5. Cinderace - Libero 4. Skelederge - Torch Song 3. Charizard - Game Freaks' favorite; gimmick reliant. 2. Incineroar - the VGC demon, no other gimmicks necessary. 1. Blaziken - Speed Boost is all it needs to dominate. Even without Gimmick it is strong.
I feel Charizard suffers from how tiering works. With it being usage based, the common opinion is that Charizard has to be garbage since it's in PU where it's actually restricted. Even in the powercrept Gen 9 OU tier, Charizard can burn massive holes in teams and melt through stall rather easily with the power of Sun (valued thanks to protosynthesis) boosted, Choice Specs, Solar Powered Weather Balls, Overheats, and Fire Blasts. an unprepared opponent will lose up to 3 if not 4 of their pokemon almost immediately, with resists struggling to switch as they often cannot outspeed afterwards. Toxapex and Gliscor (prior to ban) try to switch in but cant. Only Dragonite and Blissey get decent switches, even Dragapult gets one shot from full a decent bit of the time.
Fire starter idea: Laser gun red panda Fire/psychic Alongside other sci if theme starters Moss cyborg Japanese chin dog Grass/steel And Astronaut Tardigrade Water/bug (typing thought evolution)
Ok, I have three questions. 1.Why is Charizard 1st? popularity maybe but Charizard is usually bad without mega evolve or dynamax, if I have to chose based on their performance over the time I would put Blaziken. 2.If Incineroar is so good, why is NU and RU according to Smogon? 3.Where is Infernape?
I like how peeps are complaining about a mechanic being gone, even though it was mentioned at the beginning that Mystic was going to bring up exclusive of stuff that the Pokemon has had. Very silly tbh.
We got a psychic fire starter and no reference to Stephen King? We got no prodigy background music? Would have loved these. Charizard may not be the best at anything, but has the tools to do a little bit of everything. Even gamefreak felt like they owed this to charizard.
I’m a HUGE incineroar fan. Easily my new favorite Fire type. And my favorite typing for that said starter. Fire and Dark Type, it’s so much better and so much fun.
The thumbnail instills salt and terror to VGC/Doubles players because they've been seeing it in pretty much every team and watching it win a disgusting amount of times, now I hope Blaziken gets compatibility with Drain Punch & Roost by it's Indigo Disk release.
Yea you better not slander Alcremie again lol only kidding. But it is my second favorite fairy type, funny enough, behind my number one favorite Milcery
Im sorry but emboar is LEAGUES above typhlosion, good secondary typing, better movepool, hits harder, more bulk, has reliable set up (bulk up), i could go on. Not saying typhlosion wont be a great tera-abuser though
It's unfair to add gimmicks like Gigantamax and Mega Evolution in the ranking against those that don't. It should be based on all their base forms and other gimmicks should've been in another ranking. Disappointed. Be better.
Although Grass is my favorite type, I can't deny that most Fire starters have at least some viability in competitive. If only GF tried to balance every trio so none of them would feel left out.
Funny thing is Venusaur was literally designed to solo gen 1. Then every generation afterwards grass got super nerfed. As a Charizard fan in the late 90s I can say Kanto was a wall for Charizard. But if you put him in gen 2 it would of been a different story for him.
Don't get me wrong Charizard is a phenomenal pokemon but it still surprises me that it's number one in fire starters. I thought cinderace or skeledirge would of been better
Great ranking Mystic!!! Fire types are very cool (ironically 😅) Ash’s Infermape’s story is just so beautiful. How as a Chimchar was once trained by Paul. But Paul’s opinion was purely on power on its own and wanting to push Chimchar to the limit just to use the OP (out of control) blaze ability. But all that time Paul wasn’t able to bring out the full potential of Chimchar’s blaze (referring to the flashback from Diamond and Pearl Episode 51: Glory Blaze). But once Paul released it after he has given up because Chimchar’s traumatized past was too painful for him to not be able to beat another Zangoose. After that moment, Ash caught Chimchar and since then Ash was motivating Chimchar, reassuring Chimchar’s strength without the use of Blaze. While Chimchar’s Blaze was out of control (referring to Diamond and Pearl Episode 81: Chim-charred as a Chimchar and Diamond and Pearl Episode 163: Fighting Ire with Fire) overtime with Ash’s encouragement and training Chimchar as a Infernmape could master Blaze and defeat Paul (referring to Diamond and Pearl Episode 179: The Eighth Wonder of the Sinnoh World and Diamond and Pearl Episode 188: Battling a. Thaw in Relations). Ash’s Infermape’s arc just shows the depths of emotion, personality, insecurities that is in all Pokemon.
I use wolfey logic here. Stealth rocks is almost always going to be on a competitive team which would limit the crap out of a charizard. There's absolutely no way this pokemon would ever be in OU or higher without a direct gimmick. It would 100% be the weakest fire starter in the game. Embarrassing however would move up up because of 1 move called body press
He’s literally a top 2 most popular pokemon😂😂😂 Number 1 in some surveys. So fans love charizard, game freak loves fans, so game freak responds to fans with charizard. It’s really not quantum mechanics like u people try to make it seem
@@TheDragonstorm1993YT I know. Lol It's just my opinion. With Typhlosion being my favorite Pokemon it just hurts to see. Admittedly, I know Typhlosion could use a few minor buffs, especially to make it stand out from Charizard. A slight Stat change for starters. Unfortunately Typhlosion is a bit of a 1 trick phony. Scarf Eruption with Flash Fire. My 1st time doing Draft League, I didn't draft Typhlosion, and it was for this very reason. People could likely predict your Typhlosion set. But I'll always stand by Typhlosion as my favorite Pokemon!! :]
@@TheDragonstorm1993YT Honestly, A Speed of 105 would even be great to set it apart. It does get Solorbeam, which I think is fair, given how Grass beats everything that beats Fire. Giving just a few Fire types, Giga Drain or Energy Ball makes sense to me! I think a Special Electric move like Parabolic Charge, a Water move in Scald, and a Special Ground attack in Earth Power would be great tbh. Also, we need a new set up move for Fire types. After all, we have those moves for Fighting and Psychic types, even the Bug type has 1... for the Fire Type: Flare Up- This move boosts the users Special Attack and Speed by 1 stage each. But using Fire Type attacks causes the user to receive 10% of their max HP (Like the Life Orb) in recoil per Fire Attack.
Not sure which league you're referring to, but there's two: VGC (official) and Smogon (Unofficial). VGC tournaments are sanctioned by Nintendo and use the double battle format. Typically, a Pokémon used by the top 16 players, appearing in multiple teams, is a Pokémon with high viability (see the Incineroar entry). Smogon is unofficial, community-driven and singles only. The tiers are based on how often a Pokémon is used and it's overall competitive viability. A tier like OU (overused) feature Pokémon that have an excellent combination of stats, attacks, etc while still maintaining a level of fairness. On the other hand, a tier like NU (never used) feature Pokémon that have a poor combination of stats, attacks, etc or were power crept by newer Pokémon. Hope this answers your question.
personally, i get being unbiased but when blazikens mega and speed boost ability GETS IT BANNED, blaziken really shouldve been number 1. really i wouldve wondered how different the list would been if it was the difference between gen 3 RSE blaziken with ORAS blaziken. gen 2 typhlosion with hisuian typhlosion and HGSS typholsion. gen 4 infernape with BDSP infernape and legends arceus infernape. gen 1 charizard with XY charizard and lets go charizard and SWSH charizard. i can get and understand charizard with its mega and its gigantamax but again, blazikens mega and ability got it BANNED... i would say infernape or skeledirge or blaziken should be number 1 if we are only considering how good it was in the gen it was introduced in.
Sunny day, solar power, life orb Charizard is actually a pretty solid choice!! Charizard’s speed isn’t too bad and with amps his special attack is no joke! I really wish they would bring megas back tho 😪 or at the very least I hope the gen 5 remakes have them
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I still think is a bit unfair to put Charizard at Number 1 when it’s literally the most gimmick reliant starter in the series. Like the fact it NEEDS a gimmick to be good is not a good trait for a starter. Especially when that gimmick is banned for some reason which leaves Charizard with hardly any good viability to pick between other Fire Starters.
Mind you, it can deal massive damage if paired with Torkoal and is wearing boots. Solar Power + Life Orb in sun, plus its solid enough speed and power means that it can really dish out the pain.
Though in singles, it's going to struggle. I got nothing for that. Not the best starter without a gimmick, but certainly not bad.
Incinoraor in vgc and skele probably in singles. And solely for the reason that every official tournament is vgc. Incinoraor on 1
It takes one rock to bring it down is all I'm saying
@@marianheitmann1337 agreed incinroar number 1 in doubles and blazeken in single(even include mega) lizardon is weakest in both formats due to obvious weakness.
@@BillyToddIV I know. It's not really bulky, but it can hit fairly hard.
Love the recognition of Incineroar! It has won every world championship it has been legal for while it has intimidate. Even got up to an 80% usage rate at one point in USUM lol
For any singles players who don’t understand why Incineroar is so busted in doubles: You choose only four of your six possible Pokémon for a battle. Then, Intimidate affects both opposing Pokémon. The move Fake Out is one of the top five best moves in doubles, because it prevents one of the opposing Pokémon from leveraging whatever synergy it was intended to leverage. Additionally, being immune to Prankster means it’s unlikely to get Thunder Waved, Taunted, etc. THEN, it has Parting Shot, which lowers the opposing Pokémon’s offensive stats again AND returns it to the Pokeball… so you can Intimidate and Fake Out AGAIN. And lastly, it can use basically any non- Choice item it wants. You could even run Assault Vest by replacing Parting Shot with U-Turn and giving it some additional longevity by giving it either Drain Punch or Leech Life.
Yeah it's beyond broken. It's what every other support mon wants to be. It should be ranked #1.
True, in my opinion he is the strongest, for thoose that want more information see the video that WolfeyVCG released about Incineror
I love the fire starters and usually go that way depending on the starters involved. I don't think gigantamax or mega evolutions should be included as to how strong or weak a fire starter is because not all fire starters are able to gigantamax or mega evolve. I think it gives these other starters an unfair advantage when ranking them.
I’m can see an argument be made for that, but at the same time Mega and Gigantamax is part of what makes those certain pokemon as good as they are. To me it’s like saying Incinaroar is good, but it’s not allowed to use intimidate since none of the other starters get it. Like, that’s not the starter’s fault it has something that gives it an advantage over others. Like Charizard with its gimmicks, and blaziken with its mega, Skeledurge with its Tera, Cinderace with its Gigantamax, and even Incinaroar with its z move.
I get what you're saying but is a good gimmick form any more of an "unfair advantage" than simply having better stats or a better movepool? Really I think the only way to do this is to consider everything _within a particular context_ so are we considering just a casual story playthrough? Singles or Doubles? vs. just its generation or all future generations?
Megas are no longer a thing there is a reason why zard is NU
And inceneroar might be the best starter in vgc but it can't even hold a candle for infernape or skele in singles
As hard it is to admit cinderace and skele are the best currently (skele even ended up top 10 ubers lmao)
Followed by ken and nape
@@jaretco6423yup thats why it aint better than cinderace
As an avid Alcremie user, I thank you for your retraction/apology👍
I know you decided to not talk about teras unless you need to but I do love that when Delphox was a 7 star raid it had the fairy typing. Definitely a challenge as Delphox's moveset counters both the fairy weaknesses and then being able to use a fairy move for stab is pretty good. ❤ Even if it was lower on the list I appreciate you giving it some appreciation as it's my favourite fire starter besides Typhlosion/H. Typhlosion and Infernape.
Ughhhhhh the only one I missed 😭😭
Just gonna say it, I think Emboar is underrated. I like the design, and I like having some bulk, even if that bulk is only in the form of HP. I'll concede that Emboar ends up in the bottom half, but I think standard Typhlosian is at the very bottom
Yeah 100%. I always sense bias whenever I see people ragging on Emboar.
Choice Scarf Eruption is better than anything Emboar can do.
@@GeneralSecura Well yeah in competitive sure but everywhere else he's lacking much more than Emboar.
I think emboar looks cool aswell.
I’ve been running Incineroar and its exclusive Z-Move in Ultra Sun a lot! I even trashed Giovanni’s Mega Mewtwo X with it after being left with 1 HP thanks to our bond!
Love Blaziken. My favourite Pokémon of all time. I love the design and my boy helped me beat sapphire like 100 times. Also Mega Blaziken is unstoppable
See if I used Emboar AT ALL, the ONLY Fire Type atk I'd use is Flame Charge, just so I can make Emboar's worst stat, scary to box with some poke that would just out speed 2-3 hit depending on high or low roll of atk
I do love how cyndaquil in gen 2 was basically gen 2 Charmander without the flying type
About the base charizard and typhlosion comparison, charizard has a better movepool for coverage, swords dance and belly drum to boost attack, and an additional type for stab. I was playing regulation d on s/v and got to masterball rank with a charizard with acrobatics, flame charge, thunder punch, and belly drum. I think charizard without gimmicks is at least top 3 since you can run him as either a physical attacker or special attacker. I personally think that incineroar is the best fire starter though, that thing was on like everyone's team for a reason. Although Charizard is still my favorite lol.
clearly biased based charizard is not top3 lol
@@jointser1008 i will admit my bias, but I didn't make any false claims about it. Charizard is a powerful pokemon. Looking back on it, I probably wouldn't have him be top 3 now. Incineroar, Blaziken, and Cinderace would probably be better in most situations. I will still hold my stance that he's better than the rest of the fire starters though.
@@insaneadem5014 i don't know man. i feel like infernape and skeledirge are also better than baseform charizard. Infernape is insanely versatile. he can learn all likes of set-up moves (swordsdance,bulk up,nasty plot, calm mind) he can set up stealth rock, has insane coverage in the likes of acrobatics,zen headbutt,grass knot,thunder punch, poison jab,stone edge and knock off. he can also basically learn all attacks charizard can except for flying and dragon moves. he can learn a priority move and fake out. his hidden ability iron fist increases the damage of thunder punch mach punch and fire punch for a safer stab move. you can play him very well physical or special since he learned aura sphere and you don't have to rely on focus miss anymore. he is also faster than charizard and has a better typing.And skeledirge is just very bulky and torch song is very strong.
@@jointser1008 i agree with most of that, my problem with skeledirge is that he's only bulky with terra. His fire/ghost typing hinders him in my opinion. Too many dark types running around. If terra was permanent in future gens then I would put him above zard. I don't think infernape is better because I think the fighting type is worse than the flying type. Whenever I run infernape it's like all the flying types come out and like zard he's frail, unlike zard however infernape is not immune to ground. I will admit to having fun with my swords dance infernape though lol.
@@insaneadem5014 fair point with ground immunities something i forgot to think about that. i didn't make really good experiences with fire/flying stealth rock and any stone type move just hurts too much.
You don't even gotta apologize for these things, but it shows character for you to address and validate these contrary opinions. Very cool of you!
Love the eldritch blast comment, my warlock character is very happy
I love all the fire starters! 🔥
Great video Mystic.
Was hoping for Cinderace, Incineroar, Infernape, or Blaziken to be number 1.
That does bode a question though:
If we get the Gen Vi remakes, do you think we'll have Charizard Z?
Any chance for another ranking for Eeveeloutions?
I personally would of put Emboar ahead of both Typhlosion. Fire/Fighting just covers more typing than Fire/Ghost or pure Fire.
Typhlosion is still one of my favorite Pokémon. It’s sad to see it ranked so low
He’s my favorite fire type starter only 2nd to Charizard, but I’m from older generation 😅
I think it would be great if sometime you went over the best starter/partners in each of the mystery dungeon games
Blaziken has always been the best to me the speed boost ability and awesome base attack makes freaking OP
Too bad its design sucks.
Love the D&D reference in this video!!
I've always thought of Emboar as the poor man's Darmanitan lol.
Me, who almost always picks Water starters; *picked Scorbunny and Fuecoco and actually kept them on his team, which I have never done in the past*
As much as I don’t care for Cinderace, I can’t deny its impact in the meta. It got the single most damaging signature move in the game and another where it turns hazards against the opponent.
Charizard really stood the test of time, huh?
being the favorite of gamefreak makes you invincible and the strongest.
so does blaziken
Blaziken stood the test of time despite all the gimmicks while Charizard stood the test of time relying on them. Two sides of the same coin.
As much as I love Delphox, I understand why you ranked her where you did. Fire/Psychic is a really nasty type combo, but Delphox has a couple of issues that really hamper it. The biggest one is arguably its hidden ability, Magician. I mean, it fits thematically for what GameFreak was going for with Delphox, but it could’ve been a lot better. Magic Guard, Magic Bounce or even Fur Coat to help with its lack of physical bulk would’ve probably been better.
I'm fond of all fire starters, but the best in my opinion are:
1. Charizard
2. Incineraor
3. Infernape
4. Cinderace ; and
5. Blaziken
I love Skeledirge, but I can almost guarantee that his signature move will be nerfed. Let’s hope it’s not going to be too nerfed
Torch Song? It doesn't seem too OP...
@@BJGvideos it’s a bit much, tbh
@@macwelch8599throat spray torch song is noice
I would have put blaziken or incinaroar as number 1 but pretty solid list.
Ik this isnt part of the video but these are my teams from each gen
KANTO
1-Charizard-Fire/Flying
2-Butterfree-Bug/Flying
3-Nidoking-Ground/Poison
4-Jolteon-Electric
5-Snorlax-Normal
6-Dragonite-Dragon/Flying
JOHTO
1-Feraligatr-Water
2-Crobat-Poison/Flying
3-Azumarill-Water/Fairy
4-Espeon-Psychic
5-Heracross-Bug/Fighting
6-Tyranitar-Rock/Dark
HOENN
1-Sceptile-Grass
2-Swellow-Normal/Flying
3-Ampharos-Electric
4-Sableye-Ghost/Dark
5-Aggron-Steel/Rock
6-Gallade-Fighting/Psychic
SINNOH
1-Infernape-Fire/Fighting
2-Luxray-Electric
3-Lucario-Fighting/Steel
4-Houndoom-Fire/Dark
5-Pelipper-Water/Flying
6-Spiritomb-Ghost/Dark
UNOVA
1-Serperior-Grass
2-Sawsbuck-Grass/Normal
3-Galvantula-Bug/Electric
4-Zoroark-Dark
5-Excadrill-Ground/Steel
6-Archeops-Rock/Flying
KALOS
1-Greninja-Water/Dark
2-Sylveon-Fairy
3-Meowstic-Psychic
4-Gengar-Ghost/Poison
5-Venusaur-Grass/Poison
6-Garchomp-Dragon/Ground
ALOLA
1-Decidueye-Ghost/Grass
2-Lycanroc-Midday-Rock
3-Sylveon-Fairy
4-Torkoal-Fire
5-Mimikyu-Ghost/Fairy
6-Kommo-o-Dragon/Fighting
GALAR
1-Cinderace-Fire
2-Toxtricity-Electric/Poison
3-Gyarados-Water/Flying
4-Sirfetch'd-Fighting
5-Dragapult-Dragon/Ghost
6-Togekiss-Fairy/Flying
PALDEA
1-Quaquaval-Water/Fighting
2-Sylveon-Fairy
3-Garganacl-Rock
4-Garchomp-Dragon/Ground
5-Bellibolt-Electric
6-Ceruledge-Ghost/Fire
My personal ranking:
10. Typlosion - despite being the best choice among the gen 2 starters, it just fails to give a good reason to be higher than the other fire starter.
9. Emboar
8. Delphox
7. Hisuan Typlosion
6. Infernape - the reason why gen 4 feels complicated to determine whether its hard or easy. It feels being force to use Infernape since no other fire type is viable.
5. Cinderace - Libero
4. Skelederge - Torch Song
3. Charizard - Game Freaks' favorite; gimmick reliant.
2. Incineroar - the VGC demon, no other gimmicks necessary.
1. Blaziken - Speed Boost is all it needs to dominate. Even without Gimmick it is strong.
Keep up the awesome work and videos love the video
Me, at the end of the video: Have fun with roast chicken, Mystic!
I hope you had a great and safe Thanksgiving Mystic, and the same goes to everyone watching this video.
Hey Mystic I know you're a busy man, but are we going to get a best team for US/UM No restrictions?
Charizard being at the top when you mentioned that Blaziken's Mega was Ubers banned is just favoritism dude
Good.
I feel Charizard suffers from how tiering works. With it being usage based, the common opinion is that Charizard has to be garbage since it's in PU where it's actually restricted.
Even in the powercrept Gen 9 OU tier, Charizard can burn massive holes in teams and melt through stall rather easily with the power of Sun (valued thanks to protosynthesis) boosted, Choice Specs, Solar Powered Weather Balls, Overheats, and Fire Blasts.
an unprepared opponent will lose up to 3 if not 4 of their pokemon almost immediately, with resists struggling to switch as they often cannot outspeed afterwards. Toxapex and Gliscor (prior to ban) try to switch in but cant. Only Dragonite and Blissey get decent switches, even Dragapult gets one shot from full a decent bit of the time.
Fire starter idea:
Laser gun red panda
Fire/psychic
Alongside other sci if theme starters
Moss cyborg Japanese chin dog
Grass/steel
And
Astronaut Tardigrade
Water/bug (typing thought evolution)
Ok, I have three questions.
1.Why is Charizard 1st? popularity maybe but Charizard is usually bad without mega evolve or dynamax, if I have to chose based on their performance over the time I would put Blaziken.
2.If Incineroar is so good, why is NU and RU according to Smogon?
3.Where is Infernape?
infernape was ranked 5th which is kinda sad cause its my favorite pokemon
Charizard is best.
0:00 If we’re talking doubles battles, it’s not even close: Incineroar. This ‘mon is not okay… when my opponent is using it. 😂
One day emboar will be loved by all the same way we all grew to love endevour from mha it’s the same for my boy
I like how peeps are complaining about a mechanic being gone, even though it was mentioned at the beginning that Mystic was going to bring up exclusive of stuff that the Pokemon has had. Very silly tbh.
What base Charizard needs is its own signature move. Something that can take advantage of its blaze ability once it comes into stealth rock
Blaze only activate at 1/3 so not useful.
Charizard has gotten more handouts than any pokemon in existence.
Well, Delphox isn't in last place; that's all I care about.
We got a psychic fire starter and no reference to Stephen King? We got no prodigy background music? Would have loved these. Charizard may not be the best at anything, but has the tools to do a little bit of everything. Even gamefreak felt like they owed this to charizard.
I’m a HUGE incineroar fan. Easily my new favorite Fire type. And my favorite typing for that said starter. Fire and Dark Type, it’s so much better and so much fun.
I think Alcremie is a very cute pokemon even for a fairy type
I just like Emboar. He's a flaming ham for Arceus's sake.
The thumbnail instills salt and terror to VGC/Doubles players because they've been seeing it in pretty much every team and watching it win a disgusting amount of times, now I hope Blaziken gets compatibility with Drain Punch & Roost by it's Indigo Disk release.
Mz. Ruby from Sly Cooper would like a word about your deadly musical alligator rankings.
You know it's a bad video when you put Charizard 1# on the list
*good video
@@olivercharles2930 bad video don't care
Thank u for your honesty
Yea you better not slander Alcremie again lol only kidding. But it is my second favorite fairy type, funny enough, behind my number one favorite Milcery
When will this man run out of ideas
Im sorry but emboar is LEAGUES above typhlosion, good secondary typing, better movepool, hits harder, more bulk, has reliable set up (bulk up), i could go on. Not saying typhlosion wont be a great tera-abuser though
It's unfair to add gimmicks like Gigantamax and Mega Evolution in the ranking against those that don't. It should be based on all their base forms and other gimmicks should've been in another ranking. Disappointed. Be better.
Please do Grass Starters and Ghost rankings
Don't forget Water Starters, too!
Although Grass is my favorite type, I can't deny that most Fire starters have at least some viability in competitive. If only GF tried to balance every trio so none of them would feel left out.
Funny thing is Venusaur was literally designed to solo gen 1. Then every generation afterwards grass got super nerfed.
As a Charizard fan in the late 90s I can say Kanto was a wall for Charizard. But if you put him in gen 2 it would of been a different story for him.
Bro ain’t no way we are saying blaze is better then incin 😭
It hurts being a Typhlosion stand.
I'd like to see a video about the best tera types for charizard or best moveset for charizard after the indigo disk comes out on decemeber 14th
Don't get me wrong Charizard is a phenomenal pokemon but it still surprises me that it's number one in fire starters. I thought cinderace or skeledirge would of been better
Great ranking Mystic!!!
Fire types are very cool (ironically 😅)
Ash’s Infermape’s story is just so beautiful. How as a Chimchar was once trained by Paul. But Paul’s opinion was purely on power on its own and wanting to push Chimchar to the limit just to use the OP (out of control) blaze ability. But all that time Paul wasn’t able to bring out the full potential of Chimchar’s blaze (referring to the flashback from Diamond and Pearl Episode 51: Glory Blaze). But once Paul released it after he has given up because Chimchar’s traumatized past was too painful for him to not be able to beat another Zangoose. After that moment, Ash caught Chimchar and since then Ash was motivating Chimchar, reassuring Chimchar’s strength without the use of Blaze. While Chimchar’s Blaze was out of control (referring to Diamond and Pearl Episode 81: Chim-charred as a Chimchar and Diamond and Pearl Episode 163: Fighting Ire with Fire) overtime with Ash’s encouragement and training Chimchar as a Infernmape could master Blaze and defeat Paul (referring to Diamond and Pearl Episode 179: The Eighth Wonder of the Sinnoh World and Diamond and Pearl Episode 188: Battling a. Thaw in Relations). Ash’s Infermape’s arc just shows the depths of emotion, personality, insecurities that is in all Pokemon.
Whatever, Typhlosion will always be my favorite fire starter :P
Awesome
Tbh I think Cinderace deserves the Number 1 spot.
How is Incin fakeout initimidate vgc multiple time winner strong stab and bulk not 1? Or is this storymode
I’m ngl I never knew parting shot was a sound move
I use wolfey logic here. Stealth rocks is almost always going to be on a competitive team which would limit the crap out of a charizard. There's absolutely no way this pokemon would ever be in OU or higher without a direct gimmick. It would 100% be the weakest fire starter in the game. Embarrassing however would move up up because of 1 move called body press
can't wait for my king Incineroar to comeback
Incineroar will forever be my nr1 favorite mon
We all get used to the fact that Game Freak loves Charizard.
He’s literally a top 2 most popular pokemon😂😂😂 Number 1 in some surveys. So fans love charizard, game freak loves fans, so game freak responds to fans with charizard. It’s really not quantum mechanics like u people try to make it seem
Don’t ever insult incineroar by calling it Garfield
0:54 I used it
Megas or dyna isn't a thing anymore so Charizard on 1 is simple lie
Nah Infernape and Skeledirge got done dirty!
Great video but ware is infernape?
Nah bro. Infernape is #1. Charizard should be way way way down there.
Worst take ever
Typhlosion, next to worst??? Bro committed war crimes uploading this...
It's mostly because of it's movepool and lack of a second stab which Hisuian Typhlosion somewhat fixes
@@TheDragonstorm1993YT I know. Lol It's just my opinion. With Typhlosion being my favorite Pokemon it just hurts to see. Admittedly, I know Typhlosion could use a few minor buffs, especially to make it stand out from Charizard. A slight Stat change for starters. Unfortunately Typhlosion is a bit of a 1 trick phony. Scarf Eruption with Flash Fire. My 1st time doing Draft League, I didn't draft Typhlosion, and it was for this very reason. People could likely predict your Typhlosion set. But I'll always stand by Typhlosion as my favorite Pokemon!! :]
@@thefirespecialist9007 i wish it was much faster and had access to moves like Ancient power, Scorching sand, Energy ball etc
@@TheDragonstorm1993YT Honestly, A Speed of 105 would even be great to set it apart. It does get Solorbeam, which I think is fair, given how Grass beats everything that beats Fire. Giving just a few Fire types, Giga Drain or Energy Ball makes sense to me! I think a Special Electric move like Parabolic Charge, a Water move in Scald, and a Special Ground attack in Earth Power would be great tbh. Also, we need a new set up move for Fire types. After all, we have those moves for Fighting and Psychic types, even the Bug type has 1... for the Fire Type: Flare Up- This move boosts the users Special Attack and Speed by 1 stage each. But using Fire Type attacks causes the user to receive 10% of their max HP (Like the Life Orb) in recoil per Fire Attack.
I'm still extremely confused in the Pokemon League tier abbreviations every time Mystic brings them up in these videos.
Not sure which league you're referring to, but there's two: VGC (official) and Smogon (Unofficial).
VGC tournaments are sanctioned by Nintendo and use the double battle format. Typically, a Pokémon used by the top 16 players, appearing in multiple teams, is a Pokémon with high viability (see the Incineroar entry).
Smogon is unofficial, community-driven and singles only. The tiers are based on how often a Pokémon is used and it's overall competitive viability. A tier like OU (overused) feature Pokémon that have an excellent combination of stats, attacks, etc while still maintaining a level of fairness. On the other hand, a tier like NU (never used) feature Pokémon that have a poor combination of stats, attacks, etc or were power crept by newer Pokémon.
Hope this answers your question.
It does@@omegaXjammur ty
personally, i get being unbiased but when blazikens mega and speed boost ability GETS IT BANNED, blaziken really shouldve been number 1.
really i wouldve wondered how different the list would been if it was the difference between gen 3 RSE blaziken with ORAS blaziken. gen 2 typhlosion with hisuian typhlosion and HGSS typholsion. gen 4 infernape with BDSP infernape and legends arceus infernape. gen 1 charizard with XY charizard and lets go charizard and SWSH charizard.
i can get and understand charizard with its mega and its gigantamax but again, blazikens mega and ability got it BANNED...
i would say infernape or skeledirge or blaziken should be number 1 if we are only considering how good it was in the gen it was introduced in.
I don't think Blaziken will be that good in Gen 9. Skeledirge and Dondozo will utterly destroy it.
Who would be the strongest without the gimmicks?
Am I crazy, or Infernape wasn't listed?
Infernape was in the lower middle.
Do water next
Lets go
i wish delphox had magic guard instead of magician, it would be much more useful
I’m sick of the Emboar slander 😡
Sunny day, solar power, life orb Charizard is actually a pretty solid choice!! Charizard’s speed isn’t too bad and with amps his special attack is no joke! I really wish they would bring megas back tho 😪 or at the very least I hope the gen 5 remakes have them
The top fire 🔥 Pokémon starter final evolution got be charizard typhlosion blaziken infernape Emboar incineroar
Charizard gets eviscerated by stealth rocks... I smell some bias there champ.
Excuse me did you just say weather ball zard?
I'm sad that Emboar is the weakest fire starter
well it was even banned from NU from how strong it was
Base zard typhlosion and delphox were stuck there
@@laxusstrauss5945 the truth. Emboar always was ru. Emboar used as scarfed wallbreaker and sometime will o wisp + substitute.
For me personally the best firestarter is still the prodigys
I think that Charizard is the strongest Fire starter while Emboar is the weakest.
Starting off at number
20.Emboar
Incineroar should be number 1 and its not even close.
Wow Charizard is first who could have guessed , for read tho Charizard is the best fire starter
Typhlosion > charizard. No quad weakness, doesn't need gimmicks