The sword one in his video with the Olympic fencer is quite fun. What you do is you take an Olympic fencer, who is trained to hold his sabre lightly to adjust the angle at speed, you give him a rather heavier wooden sword, you get him to attack at a consistent angle from a distance you control and then, hey presto, you make the parry every time and send the sword flying out of his hand when you hit it hard. If you do it hard enough (and maybe part saw it) the sword breaks too. As a fencing coach, I'm sure I will be able to amaze the children in my class with that one.
@@RamseyDewey I train Taijijian/Wudang jian, which is what Mizner claims to train and there's so many things wrong with the clips I've seen. Never mind that the wooden swords that he uses are terrible for actual sparring, or replicating the weight and balance of a real sword. Also, who cares if a thin piece of wood breaks on impact, sword fighting happened with swords, that were made of steel and didn't break. Legit schools will be using much thicker hardwoods or blunt steel sparring swords (both have their pros and cons for training) like what Scott Roddell and others use.
The invisible Chi magic hadouken fireballs do work. You just have to make sure your opponent is holding his tongue in the correct position in his mouth and also make sure he doesn't push one big toe up and the other down.
Haduken tutorial as translated from ancient Chinese text: Eat many beans. Hold flame near hole of poop. Exhale with great breath through hole of poop. Exit area and blame smell of hadouken on nearby dog.
being one of the few people that's actually both had a pro career and trained with a traditional master, there is actually something of value in chi training. the feeling of "flowing chi" is actually a place of high mechanical advantage. the training techniques, when done properly, train you to maintain your highest mechanical advantage through your entire motion. the woo woo, i can read your mind and have a death touch stuff is total bs, of course, but my mma game dramatically improved when i learned taiji and yoga. i can apply my full force in positions where most men don't have the flexibility to put themselves. it's a huge advantage. the charlatans do, however, deserve all the mockery they get.
I can testify to this also. Chi really works, but not like the death touch nonsense that you see charlatans demonstrate. Not only grappling, it helps in stand up also. Another thing, there’s nothing mystical about it. It’s actually very scientific.
I'm not a fighter by any means but I think that's what makes Taiji so distinct. In boxing you generate power from foot to fist, but it's very limited to those punches, bobbing etc. The skillset isn't necessarily broadly applicable. In Taiji, especially chen, there's for example 83 distinct movements which are in turn made up of a number of sequences and positions, and in each one there is a specific intention where the legs, core, and arms are always connected. That's where you get stuff like "jin" etc, and where maybe the idea of "qi" makes sense: if your weight is on your right leg and your left is empty, with your left fist tucked into your left hip with the elbow-knee aligned, while your right fist is overhead with the arm rising up, it might help to think of having your "qi" go to the shoulders, elbows etc so you remember to stay connected. Otherwise the movement becomes weak and "empty". So if you do it well, a specific shape is created with a specific purpose. It's not magic, not hypnosis... it's body mind training for a deep level of conditioning. The connection has to ALWAYS be there. I think (hope?) that's what Mizner teaches BUT THEN he adds parlor tricks and woo as a kind of carrot on a stick for marketing.
Believe it or not, I actually implented a few of Tai chi’s principles in Judo (Well I implement a lot of weird stuff like using a Waltz beat to setup my footsweeps
I admire your ability to dissolve magic thinking while at the same time showing how the fancy movements are actually functional wrestling. This is how you reach people effectively through respect.
We had a guy here in Germany who was about to form a cult. One of his tricks: take one of the spectators, hit the solar plexus, make some "magical" guestures and the pain is gone. Magic! How it works: That reflex triggered by impact on the solar plexus (if not hit too hard) goes away after 10 to 15 seconds. Doesn't matter what people do, it goes away after 10 to 15 seconds. So if someone is hit there and starts doing a rain dance, the person hit will connect the rain dance to pain relieve. What our wanna-be cult leader did was as despicable as the stuff those faith-healers do when they hit people on the nerves above the eye-brows and make them "see stars" which makes them believe they see the holy spirit.
Funny thing is, I can picture actual ancient Tai Chi masters using this to explain proper positioning in a way useful to the students before biomechanics were a thing ("You can concentrate your chi if your forearms are on the inside and your feet are firmy planted").
From watching lots of interviews and footage with Adam and other cultivators, Combat seems to be a very tiny if irrelevant aspect to their training, the training is merely a vehicle to grow . That's my interpretation anyway.
Hi Ramsey! I liked the video! I think it's much better then the previous version. There are still two major differences though: 1, You base your explanation of the three man pushing exercise on the premise that the strongman pushes with feet parallel to each other, however, in the video it's visible that he is not doing that - he is actually getting pushed into that position by the taichi lady. The demonstration starts with him being in a stronger position. Again, how it works is more related to the direction of the push, the taichi lady being small and being able to push diagonally up while the strongman basically pushing diagonally down. 2, In the one-finger push you explain that the stiff person's arms are brought outward and down and the push is exerted on the gut level, while one second later there is the cut from the original demo where it's clear that Adam works at the chest level throughout the exercise. I also think that there is a non-existent contradiction between chi-based explanations and functional body usage and creating postural advantage. A lot of time visualizations actually help to connect your body and change it to generate unusual effects and generate dynamic stability. So the goal is not to replicate the individual exercises, but to have a training tool that produce these demonstrations as a side effect.
When it comes to the finger thing I think Adam uses a much smaller movement to achieve the same effect, but that is entirely the skill on display. A lot of internal techniques are about making the movements so small and efficient they are barely visible to the by stander. No magic only biomechanical skill. No doubt Ramsey has a hell of a lot of biomechanical skill akin to the "internal" skills Adam shows, as this is integral to grappling
As a T'ai chi practioner (and instructor) I've seen quite a few of the "mystical" powers side of martial arts online, not just in T'ai chi but it crops up there often. All of it, so far, has been either baloney or use of physics / body mechanics against the opponent while espousing some special power they've developed over time. Fortunately my instructor has always been a fairly grounded individual and taught with a focus on the physics / body mechanics side which in turn is how I deliver my own T'ai chi instruction. Onto the video though, nice breakdown of the techniques and what's going on behind them, always good to see the sleight of hand stuff removed and the actual being demonstrated.
@@liutm1 Adam has an open invitation from myself and EVERY one of his critics. He won't do it. How do you know I'm not faking it? I just taught you how to do it. Try and see for yourself.
I've mentioned this before. When I studied with Daniel Weng he said that Chang Tung-sheng described ch'i as "correct technique correctly applied". No magic involved, no bullshit invoked. Chang was a shuai-chiao master who had studied hsing-i and t'ai chi. He could and did fight. Ditto for Daniel Weng. Tim Cartmell and Dan Miller are more modern examples of a no-nonsense approach to learning t'ai chi and other so-called "internal" arts. There are a few others out there, but sadly it's more often the squeaky wheels getting the grease. Meanwhile, your channel does keep up the good work. Many thanks for that.
Very Cool! In the mid-1980s, I met both Daniel Wang and Grandmaster Chang [just before he passed away :-( ] at Ohio State University in Columbus. Happily, Chang never threw me, because he was not gentle, but he was a very experienced fighter. Wonderful to hear his experiences. Daniel was a very good teacher ... gentle and very kind in helping us to learn Tai Chi and push hands. I remember those days of push hands were fun, because we learn slow competitive and very fast cooperative ... both required learning Ting.
as someone who grew up in kung fu i always understood chi as a chinese way of expressing the nebulous concept of power, the same way that in english we might say someone "ran out of steam" (funny that chi translates to steam). its unfortunate that the word has become so tightly associated with nonsense 😢
As far as I understand it, chi is just supposed to mean energy. Associating energy with mystical nonsense scams is pretty common in western world as well. For example healing crystals and stuff. I think it's because energy is a very poorly understood concept by most people. I used to practice karate and whenever there I heard the word "ki" (Japanese word for "chi"), I liked to think of it in the following way: My body has some potential energy stored in it and I am essentially learning how to efficiently use it to hurt my opponent.
@@fisyryeah honestly dragon ball sort of had a better use of chi than these guys if you remove kamehameha and then shin hans/piccolos chi focusing techniques
The thing is. A lot of people don't want any mild discomfort. This includes running until you are tired or having a knee on your belly. But they do want the fantasy of being elite fighters. This is where bulshido is ready to take your money and give you your rich fantasy life.
Wait, so you did a 24 minute video on this and you never even met him? This is just like all the other fake tai chi master woo woo videos. Now you owe it to your community to go see him and see what he's all about. I'm not saying go kick his ass and make a video of it, but go see him and see if you can actually say there is nothing there. Then I'll respect a video like this.
It's the second video from him I see and the demonstrations look ridiculous to me. It can only serve those who need their convictions see confirmed to feel better. It doesn't even look close to what I observe in the original footage he is trying to ridicule. I think that's where the problem lies: ridicule. If you want to debunk something properly, you need to understand it in depth and take it seriously. Ridicule will make yourself complacent and just shows how arrogant you really are and ignore the problem of confirmation bias. If this has to serve as a "scientific test", or even just a rational one, it isn't. Perhaps the truth still lies within a mechanical psychological paradigm, but you haven't got the necessary skills or knowledge to apply it. These demonstrations are full of emotional reactions and anything remotely resembling the "fake" is taken as proof. I have no problem with whatever is the true explanation and there might be more than one. Also, ridicule is a coping mechanism for fear and there appears to be as much fear of "magic" as there used to be in the pre-modern era. Actually, he should meet with him and film the encounter and learn about whatever it is he will learn from it.
@@brucefree8 no, ridicule isn't a coping mechanism for fear: it's a social deterrent. May not be the best one, but it's the least that grifters deserve. And I promise Ramsey isn't acting out of fear, more like anger. I'm angry too, because people like Mizner not only rip off people and deceive them (do you know how much he charges?) but also degrade the art. And the coward doesn't accept meeting anyone truly experienced who isn't willing to play his game
You will also note that when the guy use the finger trick, he doesn't push the two fingers in the same way. He push them in a certain way first and when the big guy react, he push them in a diagonal direction. It is a classical judo technique where it is easier to unbalance the adversary.
Ramsey. I just watched the first episode of self defense championship. I noticed you were trying to stay very calm in the fights. But it feels like raw aggression was what won most of the matches. I'd like to hear your thoughts on what you learned from that first episode.
They’re main lessons: the inertia from the bus wildly turning, breaking, and popping wheelies made the results of everything that happened completely random and every single match that happened would have turned out completely differently had the bus turned the other way or breaked at a different time. 2: I’m partially blind and use my peripheral vision to navegare the world. The headgear we used cut off my peripheral vision almost completely. Meaning to know where anyone was, I had to be grappling with them. If I wasn’t holding on to them, I was effectively blind. 3. The seats and the isles of that bus are very narrow and easy to get stuck in when you are a larger than average human being. 4. That wasn’t calmness you were seeing, it was post COVID fatigue and extreme sleep deprivation. We started the challenges the moment I stepped off the plane after not having touched a pillow in two days. I have no idea how the matches were scored. I didn’t even know there was a scoring system and who was awarded points for what until that video came out. My biggest concern was not breaking my neck on the corners of the seats, and not injuring anyone else.
There's another element in the first trick - the way that the hands are arranged, the student is required to push slightly downwards, while the master can push slightly upwards. A lot of people don't clue in to this, but if two people are trying to push each other, the winner is not the one who pushes hardest. It's the one who sticks to the ground hardest. By pushing downwards, you rob yourself of traction with the ground. If you can press upwards, that's extra traction. That's why, in judo, we need to train people to not pull downwards when trying to break someone's balance.
@@CB-pi5hc Sure! When you're finishing a technique, you often want to snap down. I'm specifically talking about unbalancing your opponent to create an opportunity for a throw. For a tai otoshi, for example, you would usually start by "checking your watch" with the sleeve grip and "answering the phone" with the lapel grip. The point of these cues is to get someone to lift and turn. If you pull the sleeve down, your opponent is going to feel a whole lot heavier as they dig into their heels. Once you have them leaning forward, then it's time to snap them down before they can regain their balance. Beginners often start by pulling down because, well, down is where the ground is. Doesn't really work like that though. Shintaro Higashi has a great video about kuzushi, if you get a chance take a look at how he breaks his uke's balance by pulling up. (I am oversimplifying a lot here. There are lots of scenarios where you might be able to open an attack by pulling down, especially when things get scrappy and fighters abandon the traditional/handsome upright stance. But the principle is sound)
Love this monk or mystic who claims to have the powers of chi pyrogensis. Not sure his superpowers would be very helpful in defeating Thanos XD th-cam.com/video/FzXe1YN5ocM/w-d-xo.html
Sure, I shared some neat tricks, neatest tricks ever! Very good tricks. The bestest. Debunk those too with your supreme reverse engineering skills brother 🤪🤪🤪 Have a happy Easter dude! Give it to you though, you got the balls, hallucinating how you "cracked the code" for Taijiquan, which is probably one of the pinnacle technological achievements of the traditional Chinese sciences and culture with millennia of great minds contributing, in your little octagon with your primary school "reverse engineering" skills. You seem to have a lot of respect for the culture where you run your school.
The key hides in the tailbone. It is not magic or a trick. The very first movement always comes from the tailbone. Then you will notice that the partner moves backwards always with the ass first. Your 1 finger trick explanation is wrong. The first push demo is also wrong.
As a Tai Chi practitioner, I want to say that there is a thing as a Chi Ball, but it’s nothing like the charlatans and comment trolls make it out to be. A Chi Ball is basically being so in tune with your body to where you’re relaxed enough to sense what the other person is doing just by touch. And that’s how you break the other guys body posture and send him off somewhere because he’s off balance. There’s nothing mystical about it, it’s a very scientific method. Mizner actually has said this and explained the body mechanics in many of his videos.
Thanks for making this video. Fraudsters like Minzer deserve all the ridicule they can get. Don't forget to watch how the legs of the 'student' tend to magically buckle on cue. Thank you also for the section acknowledging and talking about real Tai Chi Chu'an. It takes a lot more than wishful thinking to develop real skills. Much of Tai Chi Chu'an is about staying relaxed and using body mechanics to your optimal advantage. People are often very surprised what a difference small adjustments can make. That, and people are also often very surprised to see how much tension is standing in their own way. Lastly, I think of "Chi" as a description, a description of a feeling of connectedness, rather than an explanation or a measure. That's not magic. Keep up the good work Ramsey!
I came to this video, with a complete %100 expectation that I would learn how to fire energy balls from my hands. Instead, now I'm left with no hope at all. What the heck.
Ramsey, you're an excellent example of how a mind brings everything down to the level at which it operates. You should pay attention to that smug feeling you get when making fun of something you don't remotely understand, it should make you very suspicious.
@@RamseyDewey Taiji is what you get when you work over several years by reducing entropy in your mind-body system via installing posture and movements that eliminate all the noise that creates internal frictions. This transformational process is very long and from a self defense point cannot compete with the effectiveness of BJJ or arts based on external tactics, at least in the short run. It's a Daoist art, the fighting aspect is the least interesting and is used to test if the training conditions are being correctly applied. In the initial stages one works with gross movements progressing to energetics and eventually playing with refined consciousness. A guy like Adam eventually functions like a superconductor, he doesn't need trickery. The quality of his touch forces the nervous system of the partner to lock up. And yes, it looks totally fake from the outside.
Great to see the kind of liveness that Ramsey brings. Very quick minded, creative in the moment, almost chaotic. Rare. There are some dynamics I'd be interested in exploring. Excellent.
I 100% understand what you are saying. I practice wing chun and FMA, WC is centered around internal Qi (chi) power vs external force, however, I believe this concept is misunderstood by most. The qi comes from proper alignment and COORIDINATION of the body, as one unit, to work as a unified system to bring about martial force. This is what I believe all martial arts practices aims to achieve, however done in different approaches respective of each individual martial art expression.
qi is a very good concept but most people misunderstand or abuse it. I totally agree with your comment. We only use 1/4 of our power, and internal martial arts help us do that. Adam is not a fake teacher but sometimes we tend to abuse it. I applaud the admin but he doesn't understand this issue.
Thanks! I always thought Tai Chi was mostly about perfecting and coordinating balance, breathing, and movement. Perhaps it's the way Tai Chi is taught that seems mystical. One Tai Chi 'visualization' technique is to imagine you're creating a 'chi ball' of stored energy as you focus on doing certain forms. Regardless, I suppose the idea is that your balance, breathing, and movements become so repetitive that you remain relaxed and automatically perform all techniques with much less effort. Especially under the stress of combat.
Chi is definitely not magic. All of the tools of Tai Chi are definitely based on physics and body mechanics. I think the visualization and meditation techniques are just tools to develop the right coordination in your body.
Chi ball is not visualization. It is to feel the tension between the hands first as they are most sensitive. This tension you learn to turn inward and to the entire body. When you learn to maintain it, you will notice a different type of feeling energized. This is the fascia. The idea of taiji is to move away from , abandon muscular force and move to the facsia. A more contemporary way of explaining what chi is, ..... it is not the ocean wave itself it's the energy moving through the ocean wave. In a sense, it is not physical. The taiji movements are there to harmonize the body on all levels. Just doing that alone gives a more concentrated effort. Here is where the problem is. If you never train fighting and a the first punch you lose the concentration you lose the harmony/connected density because of fight or flight. So then you are better offtraing fighting if that is your goal. Taiji if you ask me has the fighting parts, it has the health part,.... but not many schools do the intetnals, which is a shame. I had the pleasure to train with prana dynamics. The most repeated sentence was Don't use force! Someone coming with forceexpecting force and when it is not there, their minds can not comprehend it. You releasewhat isgiven to you. Ofcours a punch to the face you try to avoid. But train thisempiting out ( or changing polarity) anyway itismu bmorethan this
@@RamseyDewey if you don't know what that means, you don't understand some basic Taijiquan terminology. Which is fine, but you've put yourself in the position of criticizing what you don't understand. You're attacking a straw man the whole time.
@@manusaxena6691 I learned taiji in China. They don't speak English here. Now cut the crap with the condescending holier than thou nonsense and speak plainly what the heck you mean by "uproot". If you can't even explain something, you definitely don't understand it.
The funny thing is: Not even Adam Mizner himself would (or could) use most of the stuff he preaches. Here's a rare video of Adam trying to push someone, who I have yet to see anyone identify, giving actual resistance - th-cam.com/video/4eqJUy2usgM/w-d-xo.html At the time of this video, Adam already has about a decade of experience with his international school already established.
Yep! That's what's so funny when his followers challenge me: all I would have to do is make it a real Push Hands match, and even if I lose I still prove my point.
@@Sunyatasattva There are videos of him doing the same "I make my opponent move very far away" stunts about 15 years ago. So... either you think that's fake, so it doesn't count. Or you think it's real, and he can't apply on someone who doesn't want to get pushed. There's a saying in Chinese that Taiji takes 10 years to leave the gate. If that's the outcome of 10 years of practice, well... something went wrong.
You should simply invite Adam to your gym directly and have him try it with you. No one does that. Why?!? When people meet him in person they seem to come away with a very strong impression- ask Kieren Krygier (The Martial Man) why he quit Thai Boxing after meeting Adam in person...
i'm glad the debunkers prefer to criticize rather than seek the truth. Truth is not for everyone. They do a great job to keep real Tai Chi away from the crowd. Low vibrational individual will stay in their lane..
This video is does not debunk anything but it is valid in that it adds an external perspective (perhaps not a perfect one) to internal aspects of Tai Chi. The only way to debunk these techniques is to actually touch hands with Adam Mizner, just like those other MMA fighters, champions included - not first-time fighters -, did and were apparently 'fooled' by Mizner.
@@RamseyDewey But they were TH-cam links that would in theory would bring more attention to their own site which one would assume would be good for TH-cam. Anyway,, I will try again. Here is Adam Mizner being interviewed by a Martial Artist on whom he demonstrates his tai chi. th-cam.com/video/XuW4UfaC-l8/w-d-xo.html Worth a look if you have the time.
That very relaxing and lowering of one's "center" (including focus) you demonstrate as of such importance in fighting seems to me to also be the most important part of tai chi practice, as I was taught it for several years by someone who, thankfully, believed in physics and not mystical auras. Going against the natural tendency to tense up and raise the center does have a mystical feel to me, though. It's like a physical expression of the observation in the Tao Te Ching that "because water excels in benefitting the myriad creatures without contending with them, and settles where none would like to be, it comes close to the way." As a follower of Christianity, the religion of the "kenosis" (self-lowering, self-emptying) of God, practicing this challenging but eminently sensible physical discipline always feels like prayer...Thanks as always!
As a long-time taiji practitioner, I might as well explain what "qi" is. The people who developed taijiquan were, well, Chinese, so their physiological model was that of Traditional Chinese Medicine. In particular they used that language (including "qi") to describe the subjective feeling of what good body mechanics felt like. Similarly they used traditional acupuncture points as a coordinate system -- a way to specify points on the body. Ultimately the way to test whether your body mechanics are effective is by non-cooperative drills and sparring -- just like even though violinists do basic exercises eventually the test is to actually play -- but when teaching it seems that saying "let your qi sink of the floor" conveys a slightly better mental imagery of *what* the student should do instead of saying "internally adjust your pelvis, knees, and ankles" and letting them figure it out. Similarly saying "laogong" instead of "center of the palm" isn't a huge deal. Ultimately the good body mechanics taiji is teaching are the same good body mechanics all martial arts (and all sports) are teaching: the training methods might be somewhat different but the principles are the same whether taught by a violin teacher, an MMA coach, or a basketball instructor. There are no secrets, no magic powers. I'm still confused by how people who won't believe the statement "you can cast magic effects from the center of your palm" will buy "you can emit qi out of laogong".
Exactly! I have practiced the most popular internal martial arts from many different teachers, i have read books about them, tried them on many different rulesets and i can totally confirm that you're 100% right. The one chinese martial art that actually normalized teaching stuff which is definitely false is Dim Mak. And even Dim Mak has it's "right way of using" it is pretty much a martial art about attacking weak points like the eyes, throat and the back of the knees, but people have been teaching it as a martial art that targets acupunture/acupressure points while fighting to case grave damage to their opponents and even kill them with only on touch. Yes, yes many believe that stuff.
Qi defined as "what good body mechanic feels like" seems a very apt description,but i believe there is also a mental aspect ,like actually feeling completely in your body,your mind espanding into the limbs.
@@junichiroyamashita has more to do with a kind of "feedback" sensitivity that awakens your system than with body mechanics, but whatever works best for people as long as they don't use it to grift like this Adam guy does
Thanks for this video. It just made me a better sensei. I'm going to use some of the body mechanic topics to help a group of my students who are struggling with tensing up.
Ramsey said he was going to demonstrate the tai chi stunt exactly how it was done but he forgot to have the "mark" wear MC Hammer pants circa 1990. The embarrassment of wearing those alone would have made me move.
One of the things that always bothers me about these chi charlatans is that their "powers" are only good for a very specific type of force like that silly hand pushing. Which of course has extremely limited application even if it is real. I want to see a chi master use his chi powers to stop a double leg takedown, a football tackle, or get the upper hand in a clinch. It's like a video I saw of some Chinese monk who set fire to a newspaper with his chi powers. Even if it was real so what? I can do that with a match or a lighter. I mean we're not talking X-Men superpowers. What's the practical application of your powers and why does it matter? At least no touch knockout goons are dramatically sending people flying and passing out and hitting the floor.
i watched your course, but where can i order the certificate i need to scham people? do you have a pdf i can print out or do I have to draw one myself? Do i put random chinese symbols on them to make them seem more authentic or is there a list i can copy paste somewhere?
Cool! Great Demo. I was told by a Chinese Tai Chi Practitioner that "Chi" in martial arts translates literally to the steam coming off rice. Not the hot burning steam from boiling water, but more like the heat that you feel if you put your hand over a bowl of cooked rice. Then, he compared it to his teenage son, who plays football... and when you pass by him, he's throwing off a lot of heat. He said that the idea from the Tai Chi masters was to be relaxed and flexible, like you said, and you could tell when you were relaxed vs. being tense, because when relaxed, you'd feel warmth. In contrast, if you *tried* to force and feel Chi, it would be like trying to *force* yourself to sleep, both require relaxation. ;-) So, I understand the biomechanics of getting your partner to tense up in push hands so that you can push him, and to learn to understand the subtleties of momentary tensing... but I don't understand all the various ways that Adam Mizner does adhere and stick? Can you make a video about that?
A very good question but forget it. Imagine a deflated balloon. It has no power. If you put your hand on it, it inflates and has power, I spin the balloon and it can throw you far away.
Ramsey speaks about being in front stance for the 3rd example; I would like to point out that the other "masters" Ramsey shows (and even Ramsey himself) are all in a front stance as well. As he explained Front stance is very strong linearly (forwards and backwards), so even if someone is strong enough to push them without leverage (which is being taken away by the "master") they have a greater ability to resist it and not be pushed backwards.
My master taught me a chi technique so powerful it can immobilize you with the bare description alone, but you must follow these directions exactly: * Find a very solid wall, with no obstructions, preferably oriented along one of the meridian lines * Stand erect at a right angle to the wall and press your left shoulder against the wall strongly. Your shoulders, hips and all should be oriented at a right angle to the wall to balance the chi front to back. You don't want an excess chi buildup in your extremities. * Press the left edge of your left foot against the wall. It doesn't matter whether you press lightly or strongly, the slightest contact connects the chi circuit through the wall. * You will find that you are unable to raise your right foot. This is because the chi circuit has taken all the chi from your right leg to flow through the circuit. Please use this technique wisely. Although it can immobilize the most dangerous attacker if you can get them to stand in this way, in the hands of the unscrupulous it could also be used to cause grave embarrassment and ridicule.
I've been thinking for some time that "magic tricks" like this actually compose a significant chunk of legitimate martial arts. Is being able to exploit untrained people's limited knowledge of body mechanics to do stuff that seems impossible actually useful in a fight? Maybe sometimes, sort of. I've heard a fair number of stories of people successfully grandstanding their way out of fights, performing feats that make belligerents think "Oh shit, I don't want to mess with this person" before violence actually occurs. But also, you pick up these sorts of tricks in the process of learning practical lessons about physiology, kinesthetics, etc. If you're a grappling expert, some of the techniques you might apply against an opponent will give a sense of "wait, how did they do that?" to an untrained person, because they don't have a sense of familiarity with why those techniques are effective. Martial arts "magic tricks" are just deliberately playing up that gap in kinesthetic knowledge. The knowledge actually *is* useful in a real fight- if you train to create situations where you can take advantage of it. But the actual applications will only look magic trick-like if you're using them against someone who's much less skilled.
Most fights are instigated by untrained fighters who are often intoxicated so being able to make someone who is poorly grounded catapult off with force can be very useful. It's a different game entirely when that other person themselves has skill and good grounding though
What I learned about chi is that is motion ( in my martial arts the chi is the Kinect flow of our muscles bones and fascia, the later is being very explored by modern bodybuilders nowadays. It is trained with tendons strength. We learn it being a concept of flow of kinetic energy, of biological energy etc, not magic but physics and body mechanics application
It's like bear hugging a friend and lifting him up - when he knows you're going to do it and he's fairly stiff, he can be 20kg heavier than you and you'll pull it off, no problem. If he's black out drunk and completely relaxed and someone hands him to you, even if he's light you'll have a hard time keeping him from dropping like a sack of potatoes, let alone lifting him completely off the ground.
You can’t debunk someone if you have no internal training. I don’t know how good Adam is but he definitely has some internal martial training. What you are doing is external.
Top meme, rapier fencing uses the first magic trick as the basis of doing thrusts against cuts, and it's genuinely overpowered in historical fencing Regularly win and podium comps doing that same trick It works because stick make touch is all you need for a sword to get pretty spooky, but it's become so much more of the game for me that I ever wanted it to
"If I change the rules of the game it doens't work anymore". That's very true. IF you are about to play chess but opponent plays poker it's not going to work.. In that case tai chi player needs to change too. Tai chi is about change anyways. These kind of more static drills are necessary to get the basics going though. So master Ramsey how do you describe Peng Jin that is the fundamental force in tai chi? I am very curious.
@@RamseyDewey Taiji is a fighting system, eventhough it's not practised as such anymore that much. It's a system that is based on very unique training method of building that internal power mechanics that overtime unifies the whole body to work as a single connected unit that expands and contracts on the joints . There is considerably less emphasis on techniques themselves. Reason being that if you don't have the tai ch's internal mechanics it's hard to do the techniques like they were meant to be done and one ends up just doing bad "karate". I don't know the chinese character for peng (jin) but it's very common way to write it in english. This is the most fundamental concept of Tai Chi's power generation. Please tell me that you have even heard about that?
It sounds like you are describing Martha Graham’s theory of modern dance more so than taiji. (I have a degree in modern dance- that is exactly what it sounds like)
@@RamseyDewey I'm sure I can get my wife to find the character for you. Most of the websites talking about Tai chi energies will talk about the basic 4 (peng, lu, ji and an). My master uses that word occasionally but he is more "do than talk" kind of master and he thinks we westerners talk too much about tai chi instead of properly just practising it :) but let me describe the basic mechanics to get the basic peng (also knows as wardof) going and see if we can agree on anything. First one must stand in good aligment and let the tensions of the muscles sink down to the floor (sinking chi) and if there is incoming force from partner, dropping that force down as well. overtime this developes rooting. When this happens something quite interesting happens in the body. There is an expansive "wave" (peng) coming from the ground up to opposite direction that can, if one is loose enough, to open the joints. This ""energy" overtime fill the whole body and gets stronger. If applied correctly the partner force is coming back to him and he feels that his own center of gravity starts coming up. If you are learning Tai chi you must have something like this going on? I wouldn't be surprised if you find similar descriptions elsewhere, this whole peng/tai chi power thing seems to be pretty primordial potential inside humans if one just digs it up and starts developing it further. The beauty of this kind of power is that it's multidimensional and more difficult to deal with (especially when one adds spirals to the movements) because it's difficult to read where the force originates via touch. It also can be trained to the ridiculous levels as I have experience in my masters hands countless times. The experience after such encounter just leaves me speechless. Being floored with huge force that is so soft that it's hardly felt in normal sense but nothing I can do against is just from another level.
I always understood external vs internal as being more extremity driven vs core strength driven. Obviously there’s a place for both. Anyone want to correct me, feel free.
Wonderful, this video is everything I hoped it would be. I like to practice parts of tai ji (without the fist part) as part of my dancing and honestly learning about shifting weight and chaining a bunch of graceful flowing movements together is a lot better than pretending to be a wizard. I'll never understand why the wonder of bodymechanics isn't enough wonder for them. Anyway good video.
Dancing? What kind? I shifted from tai chi to tango to get the union thing with another. In this video, strong contract of engagement, firm embrace, enables union as one unit.
I experienced the same thing too, I’ve been bounced pretty far. There’s nothing magical about it, it’s just the other person having a solid foundation and being sensitive enough to make you off balance enough to send you bouncing back.
I have respect for you Ramsey however on Adam Mizner I'd suggest you attend one of his workshops and find out for yourself. It is so easy to criticise something you have never experienced and Sifu Mizner I am certain will surprise you. Back your words with some action and try it.
@@mindfulnessinmotion_aus Lol. It's a post that tries to leverage manners and plausibility to add legitimacy to idiotic nonsense. Ramsey isn't wrong about Taijiquan and the lack of it being shown by this clown. My 8 year old sister would end him in 2 moves with a bokken, let alone the real root of the art - which has they say in Beijing has clear historical roots. In general today in China, it's divided between competitive/performance wushu (which I did for around 18 years) and the more traditionally driven family styles. Of those, very few of the teachers pursue any form of application. It's best noted by those practising it. The elderly and those looking for a relaxing form of light exercise in their mid-life. It excels in that. Since the original root was Chen and at that time it was an effective combat art for use in garrison/duty work - the change has been the cultural revolution and a decline in anyone remembering what the applications were. Thus it became something of little mechanical (combat) substance. Like any art the techniques can be refined and adapted and plenty do those things. But there's no point wasting years and money on something that can be more easily and efficiently executed by your average boxer. Just get in shape and keep the weight down. Eat right and make some time for some peace and quiet. Voila. Better Taiji than Mizner.
@@ErraticFaith what you'e saying may well be true, but it runs into the logical problem that, if the claims of Mizner and his many students are legit - then we would still see comments like yours abound. After all, he doesn't claim to practice or teach in a typical way, or even to know much about martial arts. And if someone could push people around with a finger by hacking their nervous system, it would look weird and fake on video.
OK this is a fake. But there are many,many fakes outside. Not only in Tai Chi, or matrial arts, or arts or nearly every aspect of live. A skilled person can do tricks on undereducated people. What we can learn here is,get noisy, explore and test these things, and not get overwelmed by feelings. In fighting, in live, everywhere.
Thank you Ramsey for exposing these charlatans and theirs tricks to mislead people and give real Tai-chi a bad reputation. However, these tricks are showing the real principles of Tai-Chi, economy and correct body mechanics; softeness overcoming hardness; relaxation overcoming tension/rigidy. That's why in Tai-chi and Wing Chung they spend hours training push hands or chi-sau (sticky hands). Mastering this skill would allow you to sense or even trick your opponent to tense up, thereby giving you the advantage to control him.
No Ramsey, chi works, you just have to back it up with the right tool. If I have a 9mm my chi works 100% no matter how big, strong or tough you are. The problem is I don't have firearm, so my chi doesn't work.
Coach Dewey, what do you think of Tim Cartmell, please? In a way, it’s appropriate that fake tai chi is body mechanics, because I think real tai chi is also body mechanics, just used differently.
@@RamseyDewey I’m sorry, I should have explained. He teaches internal arts, but from a very non-mystical point of view. I think you might like his approach.
@@RamseyDewey Tim Cartmell is translator of martial arts books (chin na, Sun tai chi and Shuai jiao). He is an Eighth Degree Black Belt (Master) in Kung-Fu San Soo, and a Black Belt in BJJ He placed first at the 2003 IBJJF Pan Championship as a brown belt (Senior 2),and first at the 2004 IBJJF Pan Championship as a black belt (Senior 2).
This is great!!! I'll make one myself now, very inspirational. I think I can explain the roots and historical reasons in practice why all of this happening now. Is not only Mizner! it's a wide spread phenomenon even in China!
Yep. There are plenty of fakes here. That lady in the clip at the beginning making all those dudes explode away from her, for example, is a very well known and, unfortunately, well respected Qi cult leader.
@@RamseyDewey I've lived in Asia for 20 years, I'm well aware of that! Not sure if we have met in person while in SH, I'm close to Kleber Battaglia. Anyway, keep up to good work again fakers and posers like Mizner. I'll try to do my best to do the same from my side, hope many others will join! ciao
Wait wait wait so I always though the "magic" left with virginity, good video Ramsey I always enjoy your videos where you guys are just having fun and showing this stuff, any further plans to do more women's self defense videos with the knife zombie?
I use "martial" Taichi to treat my arthritic condition. My consultant said, after three years of watching me deteriorate, that I would be in a wheelchair by 2017. I started doing Mizner's "song" exercises in 2016 and they have made a big difference to me. I was on the waiting list to have bits of my spine fused so that I could use a wheelchair properly. Now I am able to run, jump, and play to a level that I have not seen in my life for over twenty years. You have detailed, rather sarcastically, how his specific ""party tricks" are designed to show the weaknesses of other systems. Interesting of itself, but you do the actual body mechanics teaching that he gives a great disservice.
That’s great that exercise has helped you to recover. Movement is the best medicine. Every good physical therapist will teach you that. Surgeons, on the other hand, will push you toward surgery. I did not detail any such thing as how Adam’s “party tricks are designed to show weaknesses in other systems” Nothing Adam showed here shows anything about weaknesses of other systems. Adam never interacted with “other systems”. He set up a trick, such as pushing a man down a hill, and then made the claim that it was the power of chi. What Adam is doing in these clips in not taijiquan, or qigong, or zhan zhuang, or any sort of neijiaquan. He is exploiting the magicians’ trick of forcing to give the illusion to the naive that he has supernatural abilities. Adam is the one doing a great disservice to himself and all those who trust him by engaging in these activities, thus taking away credibility to any claims of good he may have done in the world. That’s on him- don’t try to shoot the messenger. Do you know what we call a man who tells 1000 truths and only one lie? A liar.
@@RamseyDewey Thank you for replying. Mr Mizner's teaching is based on song/sung. All of his "party tricks" are there to demonstrate that tension can be exploited. He doesn't claim to have any supernatural power, just the ability to manipulate his own body using Taichi's many and varied systems. He is the first to admit that he can only use this system to exploit postural mistakes in his opponents. I have had dealings with two proper Taichi charlatans and the controlling tone, content and forms that they used bear no resemblance to his teaching. We will probably have to disagree but when you have had your entire body "held in place" by having a hand put gently on your arm then it is not so easy to dismiss as a trick. Have you ever experienced this? Cheers again for giving me a considered reply.
@@RamseyDewey Sorry! Missed a bit. Your second sentence should say "correct movement". Movement, of itself, was not what got me well. I was under intense physical therapy at the hospital for four years and was still deteriorating steadily. All other avenues having been explored I was left with having my spine stabilised so that I could use a wheelchair more easily. In desperation, and using walking aids I looked at Tai Chi. My physio detailed major improvements into my medical notes after just a few lessons. Two years later I was discharged by the hospital because I am now able to manage my condition using the system that Adam Mizner teaches. Check out "One Man Stampede" who has recanted his very vocal opposition of Adam Mizner after attending an HME workshop.
Adam misuses and mispronounces a lot of Chinese words and clearly doesn’t speak the language. What do you believe “song” is? Do you mean 松? To become loose? What you described is the supernatural power of ergokinesis . That is a power Adam claims, and there are loads of videos of him online claiming to demonstrate this power. That is mesmerism, not taiji. Taijiquan is unarmed combat. Taijijian is sword fighting. Taiji is Not ergokenisis, telekinesis, or any other supernatural power. A real taiji master can fight very well. He won’t use mesmeric powers to hold you in place with one finger, he’ll throw you on the ground and break your arm. If it’s giving you the result you want, great. But it’s not taiji.
@@RamseyDewey There are several hundreds of systems that call themselves Tai Chi (or Taiji or various other transliterations). Which one of these systems do you call Taiji? He doesn't profess to "ergo kinesis" he calls what he does "Yi manipulation", which is a totally different thing. Part of it is about timing that can manipulate an opponent, in the same way as stage hypnotism (as you correctly pointed out), but how is that any different from the psych tricks we see used in the ring or by bouncers the world over? The rest is just hundreds of hours learning how to disrupt the other persons intentions with a very clever system of movement. I have watched it work, very carefully indeed because I was skeptical about the claims made by others on his behalf. I am no longer skeptical having actually studied this part of his teaching. As you say, it is giving me a result that I need to be able to continue living. I am a cynic by nature, and will continue to watch carefully! Thankyou for your content. It is, frankly, really superb!
Few words have been abused as much as "master" (sifu). What people think it means: someone who transcended reality with pseudoscience. What it actually means: someone who can be trusted to practice and teach accurately without supervision. Funny how none of the so called masters have any have peers under the same master who teach the same way.
This doc is pretty ridiculous. Mizner doesn't claim anything is magical, he knows hes just using physics like you are, but with tai chi you develop it to a degree to where he can do what you are doing while being completely soft and just using his skeletal and white tissue structures, using elastic and compressive force rather than the levers and pulleys of the joints and muscles. You replicated the things you could visually, but tai chi is an 'internal' art, not a martial art, and only through the internals can you get the pro athletes in the film losing their mind because everything they know about their craft is being approached from a completely different system of movement, and it feels nuts.
Hey man i just moved to hangzhou china, i train kickboxing, i was planning to start competing as an amateur here , but i was just told that there almost no fight here in area and if i want anything i have to pay, or go to the capital and still pay for everything, is that true? The amateur fights situation is like this in china?
Pay for amateur fights in China? Pay for travel, yes, but pay to fight? That’s new. I’m not extremely familiar with Hangzhou, I’ve only been there half a dozen times maybe. My friend Marco Alvarado runs a jiu-jitsu gym there. My advice: get in contact with all the combat sports gyms and wechat groups you can- they’ll most likely constantly be looking for amateur fighters for inter-gym events. They’re happening, in spite of what that one dude told you.
Why don't the tai chi believers in the chat just go challenge the nearest MMA gym members to a sparring match instead of Ramsey. I'm sure they would be quite eager to demonstrate how aggressiveness and an uncooperative attitude will upset their chi. Side effects may include upset stomach (Body shots), dizziness (concussions), and vertigo (Being flipped on their ass).
I might have said it before but I don't think most have any interest in fighting or sparring. Same as maybe many MMA gym guys don't have any interest in a real dangerous fight outside on the road with gangs or drunks. Each to their own. Just be honest with what you are doing. Plenty of alleged expert martial artists get knocked out, glassed, bricked, stabbed, shot, hands chopped off etc in serious street fights. Even just heads smashed against concrete. If I wanted an art to survive at night here I would learn to run, evade groups, 1 hit knockouts, knife avoidance and also get a good lawyer. Many martial art and thus MMA things might not work unless trained in street altercations. Even highschools are rough. I saw judo, karate....blackbelts beaten by groups. Maybe just decent self defence is the way.
The "practical application of Thí Chi as I had learned it was the style that you performed. The 'Butterfly was the first form. I was 5 yrs old. The Chuan (please forgive spelling errors) style you have shown does differ a bit but mostly the same. Thank you so much master Dewey.
if youre sifu is pushing you around he may have some skill but you should really go meet adam instead of talking shit, you may be surprised. and its just ethics to actually find out for yourself before slandering someone. thats where this becomes clickbaity
@@RamseyDewey no one said anything about wizards, you’re the one saying that out of nowhere in your own delusion. You are what’s wrong with community, straight slandering someone without ever meeting them. That’s so messed up. It’s clear you don’t know what you’re talking about and you’re just a hater
@@RamseyDewey wow well that’s extremely arrogant and ignorant of you. So you’re literally going to claim to be all knowing right now? Insane, again it’s clear you are not knowledgeable on the topic and you are just hating and clickbaiting. You are not worthy of following. Seems like you are the one trying to start a cult.
The idea of feeling your body move balanced and fluidly with energy rippling up through from your feet to the tips of your fingers is a great way to build up your sensitivity to the kinetic chain and to refine movements and techniques to a place many people never will. It also builds up sensitivity to your opponents movements. All the "power of chi" highlights even if it is misleading is that power applied intelligently can defeat a far greater force that is not applied with the same efficiency. Tai Chi is like any other hard won skill. Hard committed training, sweat and graft. Love your vids Ramsey. Thankyou.
@mikib131 Adam is good but likes to attempt to mystify his teaching sometimes. There really is no need. This is what winds experienced fighters up as they have enough hands on experience to understand the mechanics of what is being applied and it isn't magical chi powers as suggested. As I said Chi is a useful training aid and is part of the process but it is not a magical power that will topple anyone. We can all learn something from everyone if our eyes are open.
@mikib131 Adam does state this in his own videos and I totally agree with him. But in the power of chi movie it is misleading. Obviously to try and sell the course that was been marketed off the back of it at the time.
@mikib131 this is not a rant against Adam as I like the guy and appreciate the skill set he has. I enjoyed the film and I understand the interplay between Adam and the guys he's showing his skills on. Whether by editing or intention the film is misleading and winds people up.
This is not a 'debunking' - it is simply individual opinions from people who have not had actual contact with Adam Mizner, sniping and taking cheap shots - so, armchair martial arts is definitely not to be given any credence
@Ramsey Dewey Dude, tai chi is one of the only things I'm not a nerd about. I know a chunk of form that's a great warm up for injured knees and back. (I don't know many of the pose names at all.) I know a lot of it is just footwork and isometrics. And I know a lot of tai chi schools sell misunderstood and down right bad ideas. I wouldn't recommend tai chi chuan as being super useful for self defence, although I've known a couple of guys that could use it like that, and if a young person came to me asking about tai chi I'd honestly tell them to go learn Karate or something and come back in ten years. Tai Chi Chuan is a finesse style. It's great to know on top of another style, but people that don't have proper martial arts experience are easier for the con artists to get to. It's like Jeet Kune Do. Not bad ideas, not necessarily awful, but if you want self defence do some kickboxing first.
hello ramsey, i want to ask you a question because i've heard in your videos that you always read the comments context: i have an issue that i want to overcome. i want to learn how to overcome the fear of hurting people. especially because im a martial artist and i feel i have missed out on many opportunities to shine due to my conscious and subconscious belief that i will end up badly injuring somebody, probably thanks to my past as a teen with anger issues being scolded by my father after beating people up (plus some basic human compassion). he used to tell me that killing and maiming people was very easy, that accidents could and would happen. i dont consider myself a superfighter with exceptional strength or skill that no one else has, i dont consider myself a badass that see's only red and bodies start hitting the floor either. i also dont think im afraid of getting hit or hurt, i've been through painful fights and i know i can take the hits and stay in the fight but i feel i have not been able to feel myself truly free and at my best, to know what im truly capable of due to my fear of hurting my opponent so in short, my question is: how do i overcome the fear of hurting my opponent?
I thought the ideogram for 'chi' is literally 'steamy rice', with the 'rice' radical being removed in the simplified Chinese. So the original idea was somewhat akin to 'steam raising out of something', which then become more and more idealised as 'some hard to see energy (coming out of something)', and then slid into 'mystical energy'.
I teach Tai Chi And Jiu Jutsu, you are just so right, the hand and feet positions are great for grappling. It is funny watching the Chi masters. Love the debunking.
Yu Dao Shui. The man could fight. There was none of this “touching hands” crap the fakers are always talking about. We sparred- strikes and grappling, full contact. The man could fight.
I'm pretty sure I found a video of him on TH-cam. My Mandarin could do with some work. If I was going to train taijiquan in China again, I'd go straight back to the Chen village.
After seeing how well he’s doing in the USDC despite recovering from COVID and lack of sleep, I think we should make pre-COVID Ramsey and Tai Chi Ramsey a mythical fighter on the same level as Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris
Qi is not a physical force that can be used to push a physical object. It's a non-physical force. Qi or prana can be used for healing, because you are making changes to the energetic blue print of the physical body, which eventually effect the physical body on a chemical level.
Ramsey, I was sort of curious... You did a video a few years ago where you recount an experience with and old (tiny) Tai Chi master that left you bewildered and impressed. Having experienced, what I assume was the "real thing", why then are you so intent on debunking someone like Adam Mizner (and by association Tai Chi in general). In the Tai Chi world it is recognized that "stupid master tricks" are not really the point. More importantly you should know (from experience) that you will never really be able to ascertain his ability until you actually meet the man. Even more importantly, IMO, it his teaching ability that marks him as exceptional. He teaches authentic, and virtually lost, Tai Chi practice "methods" that utterly transform both the mind and body. Most of these training methods are EXTREMELY physically difficult and demanding and generally not taught any more (at least in modern times), probably because most people who do Tai Chi are looking for and expecting something "relaxing", undemanding and essentially easy. P.s. If I remember correctly your were similarly skeptical of the old Tai Chi master before ending up on the ground over and over and over again.
I answered that very question specifically, in detail in this video. Please don’t ask me to repeat myself like that. There are even marked chapters if you want to skip ahead. I recognize the fakes specifically because I know what the real thing is. What Adam Mizner does is absolutely nothing like the real thing. It’s insulting. Do you not remember the context in which I told that story? A video about how so many martial artists today are terrible athletes- while in stark contrast, that 80 year old man was a phenomenal athlete.
@@RamseyDewey I usually don't watch your stuff so didn't know you had addressed the issue. Also, you DEFINITELY don't know what the "real thing" is. Having had contact with a single master doesn't constitute expertise. You didn't "recognize" the "real thing" when first met this master and it was only after he schooled you that you had to acknowledge his skill. In the face of something that is beyond your understanding you now project your limited world view on the entire art. I guarantee that if you actually put your money where your mouth was and met Mizner (or at least his most senior student) you would get schooled again.
@@nternalPractice The issue was addressed in THIS very video you are commenting on and presumably watched. It’s not even subtle. Your question was answered here. You don’t need to be a long time viewer of the channel, you just need to do your due diligence and actually listen to what is said in the video you are arguing against. I’ve trained with many practitioners of taiji over the last 15 years. I am quite familiar with the art. Adam and his minions suck. Taiji isn’t egokenisis, telekinesis, or some other psychic power. That’s absolutely insulting to compare what he does to Yu Dao Shui. They’re not even doing taiji. I don’t have money to throw away flying around the world to beat up people for free. You can, in fact, make accurate determinations about the truth of the matter based on the evidence Adam himself has presented in his videos.
@@RamseyDewey Also: you avoiding question. I understand people laughing at some charlatans.. i laugh as well..but Tai Chi Chuan its anciet internal martial art (this term is to narrow to grasp it as well) In order to do it you have to change yourself. It's internal .Outside observant even master of mma or other MA sureley dissmiss as fake. Even some Taichi masters ridiculy Mizner..why? coz otherwise they would have to admit they arw not such a big masters. This of tajiquan knowlegde was almost lost during the Mao times.. Have some respect too.
@@MisterPartner. the section of this video at the 15 minute mark is a discussion about charlatans. Why are you confused that charlatans are being discussed there? Your question was answered... twice, which is far more attention than it deserved. Pay a modicum of attention. Show some respect yourself and don't waste my time like that.
Nice, glad you are exposing the frauds. I got grilled in some tai chi forums pointing out the garbage. Like adam's brother jumping back when he grabbed adam's leg. disgusting.
I never considered Minzer a fraud. He's more of a "showman" on camera. But if you look close, he does know what hes doing. At least to me...I see the diamonds in the coal with him. But i have been around a loooong time, so its easy for me. Someone newer with only a few years experience might not see the whole picture.
I agree with that but I think a. he's misleading people into thinking that's what Tai Chi looks like in practice, and b. (Which is related to a) he's fostering an environment of where people think that he has superior fighting skills and that if they follow his program they will too. I do think he has good Tai Chi skills, but I've seen no evidence he can fight.
I work with chi, but loved your video. As to experiencing chi, I'd ask you or any sceptic to meditate for at least 10 years for an hour or two per day consistently, refining your self-awareness. Your self-awareness will become thus refined you experience the ethereal level of existence. When you engage in meditation yourself, you have a better vantage point for sceptical inquiry as to the nature of your experience. There is a huge communication gap between the realm of experience of the seasoned meditator and those who are not practised in this discipline. Indian wisdom says that trying to explain the experiential realm of meditation to someone who is inexperienced is like trying to explain the taste of salt to someone who has never tasted salt. This makes it difficult to communicate, and hard for the meditator to explain himself to the sceptic. Perhaps, master Ramsey, the meditator shares the same societal position as the the Christian who prays to Christ and enters into communion with His Presence, but cannot provide the slightest evidence or a scientifically accepted explanation, or articulate himself in any way that is truly intelligible to the world at large. Chi has a nuanced meaning of breath or air because much of our chi we obtain from the air we breathe, but it is also the breath that "pushes" the chi through the meridians that we know from acupuncture, making the lungs function like a heart for a secondary circulatory system, though an ethereal circulatory system at that. It is my experience as a meditator that people cannot easily experience an exchange of chi **consciously** because the level of self-awareness is not refined enough. And, indeed, those who seek the experience can delude themselves. A good meditator actually objectifies his mind by making it empty, voiding it of expectations, interpretations, subjective opinions, and of course the ten-thousand rambling thoughts. In this emptiness, there is no desire to experience this or that and only with this as the foundation can the meditator accurately explore reality; though alas he needs to look into a world full of (aggressive and condescending) inapprehension untoward himself. As a meditator, I experience meditation and chi contribute to martial arts in the following manner: > Increased presence of mind and thus a greater level of lucidity during a fight; > Increased calm and emotional control so you can make rational decisions during a fight; > Increased calm consequentially leads to relaxed muscles; > Increased calm allows for a more subtle control over your body as likely one is less active in the reptile brain, allowing greater validity for the use of TMA techniques and the traditional sense of mobility; > The increased awareness of the body makes it possible to react more accurately and quickly to your opponent's interactions with your body; > The meridians from acupuncture contain many acupuncture points; when your chi circulates freely through these points, all these points in the body communicate well with each other and allows for a greater body control and distribution and direction of exerted force; > As my self-awareness is cultivated well enough, I can personally experience how the acupuncture meridians and the chi they circulate interacts with my organs, I therefore believe an internal style master can use his chi to enter into my meridians and cause havoc to my organs, such as some of the claims that have been made of the ancient masters that can stop the beating of the opponent's heart; > I believe such feats are now rare because 1) the ancient calibre has been eradicated by the cultural revolution, 2) modernism has caused a cultural-societal incompatibility with the necessary stillness one has to conduct oneself by (it being socially unacceptable as the stillness causes offence); stillness is necessary to stabilise one's chi where a rambling mind and mouth constantly scatter it (Buddhism teaches it are the mind, body, and speech that direct the lifeforce), 3) the socio-cultural incompatibility makes internal cultivation a taboo topic so that those who wish to practice have difficulty attaining the necessary calm to become and stay empty, and legitimate masters might not want to make a public appearance, fearing to be equated with fraudulence, 4) we can no-longer distinguish the true from the false due to the many instances of (intentional/unintentional) falsehood that proliferate. Martial arts should always be practical as its purpose it about what matters most: protecting your welfare and that of others against harm. Anyone who wishes to incorporate meditation/mysticism in martial arts training should always emphasise the practical and physical while enhancing/supplementing it with the meditative disciplines. If one believes to have attained an abnormal ability, it should be proven in the ring or the cage. If this is not done, you cannot teach; unless you want to teach it in the form of yoga, qi gong, or seated meditation only. The already quite old publication Bioenergetic Medicines East and West by Clark A. Manning and Louis J. Vanrenen (North Atlantic Books) provides quite a few examples of scientific measurements of chi but also discusses how it is a taboo topic within the academia, causing censorship and sabotage of research. Human beings primitively form a herd to survive the environment and need to function as one effective collective body. For this, social stability is needed, which is primitively attained by enforcing uniformity upon the participating members. Everyone has to look, think, behave, and communicate the same. If not, a primal hysteria of denial ensues, escalating into uniformity-preserving behaviour. This is so strongly present within any arising paradigm, be it the academia, a religion, or indeed the world of martial arts, that anything that contradicts the ruling paradigm (that determines the uniformity) will be persecuted socially and/or physically and will be utterly stigmatised by a blind primal raging fear. To deny and attack to contrasting factor using argumentation, social-emotional violence, or indeed physical violence, is not a matter of truth or falsehood, but an act of virtue-signalling towards the ruling paradigm, ensuring one's place within the uniformity of the herd (herd; i.e. culture or subculture). This, alas, means the meditator and the mystic will have to stay out of the dojo and the gym for yet a while :-). We must always practise respectful scepticism, but we must also keep our primitive proclivity towards standard-preserving denial in mind.
you are absolutely retarded if it took you 10 years to feel chi, it takes about 5 minutes at most, all chi is an electromagnetic field generated by cells, it can be focused at hands via concentration I love reading self-initiates brag about their achievements after 10 years of 2 hours a day training, which is what you get at 5 minutes mark in any legit system.
Chi does work. I blasted my opponents in Krav Maga with the Kamehameha and Spirit bomb. I am banned from using those Taijiquan abilities. So now I use Ninjutsu techniques such as Rasengan and Chidori.
What would you say about when the Martial Man had Adam Mizner on and Adam let him get the inside position and actually grab him tightly around the torso, Adam was still able to effortlessly throw him off? Also, here is a hard style karate guy who attests to the reality of Adam's method th-cam.com/video/kKuAAt1etfo/w-d-xo.html
Interesting. He must have hidden my comment. Did you know you can hide comments on your channel so the person who posted it can still see it, but no one else can? It’s a great option when you have crazy people who write streams of horribly offensive posts. They keep posting not knowing that no one will ever read their novels.
I would bet Ramsey Dewey is in for a surprise when he meets Adam Mizner. I think the only thing getting debunked here is Ramsey's knowledge of internal arts. MEET ADAM MIZNER!
you are 100% correct what those people show is BS and quite a few of them are simply doing tricks and among those some are simply cone artist. however that doesn't change the fact that there is more to life than just one dimensional mundane existence. Imagination and abstract thinking are great gifts. (although they don't apply that much in martial arts or sports in general) and there are things to be said for traditional healing for example. of course this has to do with the fact that plants have actual chemicals that can heal a person its not a magic trick. and as far as martial arts are concerned there is still some value in traditional martial arts. both eastern and western. The thing is they relied more on weapons of the era like swords, spears and such that is why their martial arts were based on those weapons and hand to hand combat came second. The unfortunate thing is that actual martial arts of that time became lost,watered down, or right down new forms were created that had nothing to do with actual martial arts of the past that were more about dance than actual martial art. however what some people claim that ideas behind using center line are BS but actually the are not. except those people understand the use of center line as exactly opposite of what it truly means. I know almost nothing about martial arts but even I know that use of the center line means you want to attack your opponent's center line while protecting your own. (and by the way one way to protect your center line is to move you center line off to the side so that your opponent can't hit it) not to stay in the center to your opponent which some people think it means. But this would in effect mean exactly opposite to an actual meaning of the correct use of the center line. and if you confuse gas with brake obviously you are more likely to crush not less.
Most of these Tai Chi "powers" are easily explained. The Masters posture/position allows him to use larger muscle groups against the students weaker position of using small muscle groups. The vast majority of Martial Arts is just position (footwork) to allow maximal use of greater muscle groups against an opponent, usually forcing them to use smaller muscle groups to succumb to the technique. This also means that a lot of Tai Chi is misunderstood as it focuses on identifying these muscle group battles. Tai Chi is wonderful at showing how to approach these muscle group battles, but utterly fails at realistic implementation.
The sword one in his video with the Olympic fencer is quite fun. What you do is you take an Olympic fencer, who is trained to hold his sabre lightly to adjust the angle at speed, you give him a rather heavier wooden sword, you get him to attack at a consistent angle from a distance you control and then, hey presto, you make the parry every time and send the sword flying out of his hand when you hit it hard. If you do it hard enough (and maybe part saw it) the sword breaks too. As a fencing coach, I'm sure I will be able to amaze the children in my class with that one.
I was hoping a fencer would comment on that part!
@@RamseyDewey I train Taijijian/Wudang jian, which is what Mizner claims to train and there's so many things wrong with the clips I've seen. Never mind that the wooden swords that he uses are terrible for actual sparring, or replicating the weight and balance of a real sword. Also, who cares if a thin piece of wood breaks on impact, sword fighting happened with swords, that were made of steel and didn't break. Legit schools will be using much thicker hardwoods or blunt steel sparring swords (both have their pros and cons for training) like what Scott Roddell and others use.
@@RamseyDewey please set up a meeting with Adam mizner. Prove he's fake.
@@dwddindin,
He's a fake. I've challenged him many times before, years ago. He just blocked me and ran. The guy is a charlatan.
@@lionsden4563 no im certain you aren't telling the truth. Not because im a fanboy but because hes not like that with people who "challenge" him.
The invisible Chi magic hadouken fireballs do work. You just have to make sure your opponent is holding his tongue in the correct position in his mouth and also make sure he doesn't push one big toe up and the other down.
The Dim Mak Death Touch works perfectly on anyone who drinks Moncyanidester Energy Drinks before you fight!
Haduken tutorial as translated from ancient Chinese text: Eat many beans. Hold flame near hole of poop. Exhale with great breath through hole of poop. Exit area and blame smell of hadouken on nearby dog.
being one of the few people that's actually both had a pro career and trained with a traditional master, there is actually something of value in chi training. the feeling of "flowing chi" is actually a place of high mechanical advantage. the training techniques, when done properly, train you to maintain your highest mechanical advantage through your entire motion. the woo woo, i can read your mind and have a death touch stuff is total bs, of course, but my mma game dramatically improved when i learned taiji and yoga. i can apply my full force in positions where most men don't have the flexibility to put themselves. it's a huge advantage.
the charlatans do, however, deserve all the mockery they get.
I'm being a traditional martial artist learned this exact point.
Is a mechanical advantage to have conditioned the body in not so common position
I can testify to this also. Chi really works, but not like the death touch nonsense that you see charlatans demonstrate.
Not only grappling, it helps in stand up also. Another thing, there’s nothing mystical about it. It’s actually very scientific.
I'm not a fighter by any means but I think that's what makes Taiji so distinct. In boxing you generate power from foot to fist, but it's very limited to those punches, bobbing etc. The skillset isn't necessarily broadly applicable.
In Taiji, especially chen, there's for example 83 distinct movements which are in turn made up of a number of sequences and positions, and in each one there is a specific intention where the legs, core, and arms are always connected. That's where you get stuff like "jin" etc, and where maybe the idea of "qi" makes sense: if your weight is on your right leg and your left is empty, with your left fist tucked into your left hip with the elbow-knee aligned, while your right fist is overhead with the arm rising up, it might help to think of having your "qi" go to the shoulders, elbows etc so you remember to stay connected. Otherwise the movement becomes weak and "empty". So if you do it well, a specific shape is created with a specific purpose.
It's not magic, not hypnosis... it's body mind training for a deep level of conditioning. The connection has to ALWAYS be there.
I think (hope?) that's what Mizner teaches BUT THEN he adds parlor tricks and woo as a kind of carrot on a stick for marketing.
Believe it or not, I actually implented a few of Tai chi’s principles in Judo (Well I implement a lot of weird stuff like using a Waltz beat to setup my footsweeps
@@bingsoo9559 The waltz beat would work well. Great idea!
I admire your ability to dissolve magic thinking while at the same time showing how the fancy movements are actually functional wrestling. This is how you reach people effectively through respect.
We had a guy here in Germany who was about to form a cult. One of his tricks: take one of the spectators, hit the solar plexus, make some "magical" guestures and the pain is gone. Magic! How it works: That reflex triggered by impact on the solar plexus (if not hit too hard) goes away after 10 to 15 seconds. Doesn't matter what people do, it goes away after 10 to 15 seconds. So if someone is hit there and starts doing a rain dance, the person hit will connect the rain dance to pain relieve. What our wanna-be cult leader did was as despicable as the stuff those faith-healers do when they hit people on the nerves above the eye-brows and make them "see stars" which makes them believe they see the holy spirit.
Have you seen my video on faith healing through “spiritual punches”?
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@@RamseyDewey the grifters in this world never cease to astound me
Funny thing is, I can picture actual ancient Tai Chi masters using this to explain proper positioning in a way useful to the students before biomechanics were a thing ("You can concentrate your chi if your forearms are on the inside and your feet are firmy planted").
None of this has to do with combat , which prove people will fall for anything
From watching lots of interviews and footage with Adam and other cultivators, Combat seems to be a very tiny if irrelevant aspect to their training, the training is merely a vehicle to grow . That's my interpretation anyway.
@@user-di5pc6xq1e their training is mainly a vehicle to money and self-satisfying self-deception
Did they claim it was combat. No.
Adam has no naysayers amongst those who have tiy he'd hands I have ever heard of.
Hi Ramsey! I liked the video! I think it's much better then the previous version. There are still two major differences though:
1, You base your explanation of the three man pushing exercise on the premise that the strongman pushes with feet parallel to each other, however, in the video it's visible that he is not doing that - he is actually getting pushed into that position by the taichi lady. The demonstration starts with him being in a stronger position. Again, how it works is more related to the direction of the push, the taichi lady being small and being able to push diagonally up while the strongman basically pushing diagonally down.
2, In the one-finger push you explain that the stiff person's arms are brought outward and down and the push is exerted on the gut level, while one second later there is the cut from the original demo where it's clear that Adam works at the chest level throughout the exercise.
I also think that there is a non-existent contradiction between chi-based explanations and functional body usage and creating postural advantage. A lot of time visualizations actually help to connect your body and change it to generate unusual effects and generate dynamic stability. So the goal is not to replicate the individual exercises, but to have a training tool that produce these demonstrations as a side effect.
When it comes to the finger thing I think Adam uses a much smaller movement to achieve the same effect, but that is entirely the skill on display. A lot of internal techniques are about making the movements so small and efficient they are barely visible to the by stander. No magic only biomechanical skill.
No doubt Ramsey has a hell of a lot of biomechanical skill akin to the "internal" skills Adam shows, as this is integral to grappling
As a T'ai chi practioner (and instructor) I've seen quite a few of the "mystical" powers side of martial arts online, not just in T'ai chi but it crops up there often. All of it, so far, has been either baloney or use of physics / body mechanics against the opponent while espousing some special power they've developed over time. Fortunately my instructor has always been a fairly grounded individual and taught with a focus on the physics / body mechanics side which in turn is how I deliver my own T'ai chi instruction.
Onto the video though, nice breakdown of the techniques and what's going on behind them, always good to see the sleight of hand stuff removed and the actual being demonstrated.
just never met a great teacher, just like me a few years ago
The simplest way to know for sure would be to go and get hands on with Adam Mizner or better yet, Dan Harden.
The simplest way is look at the video, and use a priori knowledge.
I agree!
@@RamseyDewey why don't you invite him to prove it? How do I know that you and your partner are not faking it. So the simplest way is you vs Adam
@@liutm1 Adam has an open invitation from myself and EVERY one of his critics. He won't do it.
How do you know I'm not faking it? I just taught you how to do it. Try and see for yourself.
I've mentioned this before. When I studied with Daniel Weng he said that Chang Tung-sheng described ch'i as "correct technique correctly applied". No magic involved, no bullshit invoked. Chang was a shuai-chiao master who had studied hsing-i and t'ai chi. He could and did fight. Ditto for Daniel Weng. Tim Cartmell and Dan Miller are more modern examples of a no-nonsense approach to learning t'ai chi and other so-called "internal" arts. There are a few others out there, but sadly it's more often the squeaky wheels getting the grease. Meanwhile, your channel does keep up the good work. Many thanks for that.
Tim is great!
Very Cool! In the mid-1980s, I met both Daniel Wang and Grandmaster Chang [just before he passed away :-( ] at Ohio State University in Columbus. Happily, Chang never threw me, because he was not gentle, but he was a very experienced fighter. Wonderful to hear his experiences. Daniel was a very good teacher ... gentle and very kind in helping us to learn Tai Chi and push hands. I remember those days of push hands were fun, because we learn slow competitive and very fast cooperative ... both required learning Ting.
as someone who grew up in kung fu i always understood chi as a chinese way of expressing the nebulous concept of power, the same way that in english we might say someone "ran out of steam" (funny that chi translates to steam). its unfortunate that the word has become so tightly associated with nonsense 😢
And since this "steam"is called sugars when burning through our fuel, that makes Chi = Steam = Sugar. Chi is bad for your teeth.
As far as I understand it, chi is just supposed to mean energy.
Associating energy with mystical nonsense scams is pretty common in western world as well. For example healing crystals and stuff. I think it's because energy is a very poorly understood concept by most people.
I used to practice karate and whenever there I heard the word "ki" (Japanese word for "chi"), I liked to think of it in the following way: My body has some potential energy stored in it and I am essentially learning how to efficiently use it to hurt my opponent.
@@fisyryeah honestly dragon ball sort of had a better use of chi than these guys if you remove kamehameha and then shin hans/piccolos chi focusing techniques
The thing is. A lot of people don't want any mild discomfort. This includes running until you are tired or having a knee on your belly. But they do want the fantasy of being elite fighters. This is where bulshido is ready to take your money and give you your rich fantasy life.
When you are over 40 it is nice too 😅
@@williambrookings722 as 41 year the sprained my knee sparring last week, I feel you.
I bounced back much faster than this in my 20s 😂
Wait, so you did a 24 minute video on this and you never even met him? This is just like all the other fake tai chi master woo woo videos. Now you owe it to your community to go see him and see what he's all about. I'm not saying go kick his ass and make a video of it, but go see him and see if you can actually say there is nothing there. Then I'll respect a video like this.
Exactly!! The monkey chatters while the wise man listens.
It's the second video from him I see and the demonstrations look ridiculous to me. It can only serve those who need their convictions see confirmed to feel better. It doesn't even look close to what I observe in the original footage he is trying to ridicule. I think that's where the problem lies: ridicule. If you want to debunk something properly, you need to understand it in depth and take it seriously. Ridicule will make yourself complacent and just shows how arrogant you really are and ignore the problem of confirmation bias. If this has to serve as a "scientific test", or even just a rational one, it isn't. Perhaps the truth still lies within a mechanical psychological paradigm, but you haven't got the necessary skills or knowledge to apply it. These demonstrations are full of emotional reactions and anything remotely resembling the "fake" is taken as proof. I have no problem with whatever is the true explanation and there might be more than one. Also, ridicule is a coping mechanism for fear and there appears to be as much fear of "magic" as there used to be in the pre-modern era. Actually, he should meet with him and film the encounter and learn about whatever it is he will learn from it.
@@brucefree8 That was an outstanding writing.
@@brucefree8I agree. Even if someone is charlatan you have to treat him serious in order to debunk him properly.
@@brucefree8 no, ridicule isn't a coping mechanism for fear: it's a social deterrent. May not be the best one, but it's the least that grifters deserve. And I promise Ramsey isn't acting out of fear, more like anger. I'm angry too, because people like Mizner not only rip off people and deceive them (do you know how much he charges?) but also degrade the art. And the coward doesn't accept meeting anyone truly experienced who isn't willing to play his game
You will also note that when the guy use the finger trick, he doesn't push the two fingers in the same way. He push them in a certain way first and when the big guy react, he push them in a diagonal direction. It is a classical judo technique where it is easier to unbalance the adversary.
Ramsey. I just watched the first episode of self defense championship. I noticed you were trying to stay very calm in the fights. But it feels like raw aggression was what won most of the matches. I'd like to hear your thoughts on what you learned from that first episode.
They’re main lessons: the inertia from the bus wildly turning, breaking, and popping wheelies made the results of everything that happened completely random and every single match that happened would have turned out completely differently had the bus turned the other way or breaked at a different time.
2: I’m partially blind and use my peripheral vision to navegare the world. The headgear we used cut off my peripheral vision almost completely. Meaning to know where anyone was, I had to be grappling with them. If I wasn’t holding on to them, I was effectively blind.
3. The seats and the isles of that bus are very narrow and easy to get stuck in when you are a larger than average human being.
4. That wasn’t calmness you were seeing, it was post COVID fatigue and extreme sleep deprivation. We started the challenges the moment I stepped off the plane after not having touched a pillow in two days.
I have no idea how the matches were scored. I didn’t even know there was a scoring system and who was awarded points for what until that video came out.
My biggest concern was not breaking my neck on the corners of the seats, and not injuring anyone else.
@@RamseyDewey I thought you did great actually! Regardless of the outcomes you are one of my favorites of all time!
@@RamseyDewey That's interesting. Thanks for the reply. Did you enjoy the experience or regret participating?
@@RamseyDewey I was really proud of all of you for challenging yourselves like that. That would have killed me.
There's another element in the first trick - the way that the hands are arranged, the student is required to push slightly downwards, while the master can push slightly upwards.
A lot of people don't clue in to this, but if two people are trying to push each other, the winner is not the one who pushes hardest. It's the one who sticks to the ground hardest. By pushing downwards, you rob yourself of traction with the ground. If you can press upwards, that's extra traction. That's why, in judo, we need to train people to not pull downwards when trying to break someone's balance.
Can you elaborate on pulling up? Youre not trying to snap him down with a high collar grip?
@@CB-pi5hc Sure!
When you're finishing a technique, you often want to snap down. I'm specifically talking about unbalancing your opponent to create an opportunity for a throw. For a tai otoshi, for example, you would usually start by "checking your watch" with the sleeve grip and "answering the phone" with the lapel grip. The point of these cues is to get someone to lift and turn. If you pull the sleeve down, your opponent is going to feel a whole lot heavier as they dig into their heels. Once you have them leaning forward, then it's time to snap them down before they can regain their balance. Beginners often start by pulling down because, well, down is where the ground is. Doesn't really work like that though.
Shintaro Higashi has a great video about kuzushi, if you get a chance take a look at how he breaks his uke's balance by pulling up.
(I am oversimplifying a lot here. There are lots of scenarios where you might be able to open an attack by pulling down, especially when things get scrappy and fighters abandon the traditional/handsome upright stance. But the principle is sound)
@@CB-pi5hcI suggest you research the physics term, self-locking.
What's the sneakiest fake martial arts magic demo you have seen? Let me know in the comments!
I was hoping that if I get in a fight, a 10th dan black belt stunt double would fight for me.
Love this monk or mystic who claims to have the powers of chi pyrogensis. Not sure his superpowers would be very helpful in defeating Thanos XD
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Sure, I shared some neat tricks, neatest tricks ever! Very good tricks. The bestest. Debunk those too with your supreme reverse engineering skills brother 🤪🤪🤪
Have a happy Easter dude!
Give it to you though, you got the balls, hallucinating how you "cracked the code" for Taijiquan, which is probably one of the pinnacle technological achievements of the traditional Chinese sciences and culture with millennia of great minds contributing, in your little octagon with your primary school "reverse engineering" skills. You seem to have a lot of respect for the culture where you run your school.
George Dillmon. That guy is an embarrassment to all Asian style martial artists everywhere.
The key hides in the tailbone. It is not magic or a trick. The very first movement always comes from the tailbone. Then you will notice that the partner moves backwards always with the ass first. Your 1 finger trick explanation is wrong. The first push demo is also wrong.
As a Tai Chi practitioner, I want to say that there is a thing as a Chi Ball, but it’s nothing like the charlatans and comment trolls make it out to be.
A Chi Ball is basically being so in tune with your body to where you’re relaxed enough to sense what the other person is doing just by touch. And that’s how you break the other guys body posture and send him off somewhere because he’s off balance.
There’s nothing mystical about it, it’s a very scientific method.
Mizner actually has said this and explained the body mechanics in many of his videos.
Thanks for making this video.
Fraudsters like Minzer deserve all the ridicule they can get.
Don't forget to watch how the legs of the 'student' tend to magically buckle on cue.
Thank you also for the section acknowledging and talking about real Tai Chi Chu'an. It takes a lot more than wishful thinking to develop real skills.
Much of Tai Chi Chu'an is about staying relaxed and using body mechanics to your optimal advantage. People are often very surprised what a difference small adjustments can make. That, and people are also often very surprised to see how much tension is standing in their own way.
Lastly, I think of "Chi" as a description, a description of a feeling of connectedness, rather than an explanation or a measure.
That's not magic.
Keep up the good work Ramsey!
I came to this video, with a complete %100 expectation that I would learn how to fire energy balls from my hands. Instead, now I'm left with no hope at all. What the heck.
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Ramsey, you're an excellent example of how a mind brings everything down to the level at which it operates. You should pay attention to that smug feeling you get when making fun of something you don't remotely understand, it should make you very suspicious.
What is it that I don’t understand? Enlighten me.
@@RamseyDewey Taiji is what you get when you work over several years by reducing entropy in your mind-body system via installing posture and movements that eliminate all the noise that creates internal frictions. This transformational process is very long and from a self defense point cannot compete with the effectiveness of BJJ or arts based on external tactics, at least in the short run.
It's a Daoist art, the fighting aspect is the least interesting and is used to test if the training conditions are being correctly applied. In the initial stages one works with gross movements progressing to energetics and eventually playing with refined consciousness. A guy like Adam eventually functions like a superconductor, he doesn't need trickery. The quality of his touch forces the nervous system of the partner to lock up. And yes, it looks totally fake from the outside.
I see that you (1) have never trained with a real master of taijiquan and (2) you believe in wizards.
@@RamseyDewey Ha! I really fell for that one. Hope the thread helps boost your channel.
Great to see the kind of liveness that Ramsey brings. Very quick minded, creative in the moment, almost chaotic. Rare. There are some dynamics I'd be interested in exploring. Excellent.
I 100% understand what you are saying. I practice wing chun and FMA, WC is centered around internal Qi (chi) power vs external force, however, I believe this concept is misunderstood by most. The qi comes from proper alignment and COORIDINATION of the body, as one unit, to work as a unified system to bring about martial force. This is what I believe all martial arts practices aims to achieve, however done in different approaches respective of each individual martial art expression.
qi is a very good concept but most people misunderstand or abuse it. I totally agree with your comment. We only use 1/4 of our power, and internal martial arts help us do that. Adam is not a fake teacher but sometimes we tend to abuse it. I applaud the admin but he doesn't understand this issue.
Thanks! I always thought Tai Chi was mostly about perfecting and coordinating balance, breathing, and movement. Perhaps it's the way Tai Chi is taught that seems mystical. One Tai Chi 'visualization' technique is to imagine you're creating a 'chi ball' of stored energy as you focus on doing certain forms. Regardless, I suppose the idea is that your balance, breathing, and movements become so repetitive that you remain relaxed and automatically perform all techniques with much less effort. Especially under the stress of combat.
Exactly, that's what Taichi is supposed to be. Chinese people (and the rest of the world, aparrently) just love their spiritual stuff
Chi is definitely not magic. All of the tools of Tai Chi are definitely based on physics and body mechanics. I think the visualization and meditation techniques are just tools to develop the right coordination in your body.
Chi ball is not visualization. It is to feel the tension between the hands first as they are most sensitive. This tension you learn to turn inward and to the entire body. When you learn to maintain it, you will notice a different type of feeling energized. This is the fascia. The idea of taiji is to move away from , abandon muscular force and move to the facsia. A more contemporary way of explaining what chi is, ..... it is not the ocean wave itself it's the energy moving through the ocean wave. In a sense, it is not physical. The taiji movements are there to harmonize the body on all levels. Just doing that alone gives a more concentrated effort. Here is where the problem is. If you never train fighting and a the first punch you lose the concentration you lose the harmony/connected density because of fight or flight. So then you are better offtraing fighting if that is your goal. Taiji if you ask me has the fighting parts, it has the health part,.... but not many schools do the intetnals, which is a shame.
I had the pleasure to train with prana dynamics. The most repeated sentence was Don't use force! Someone coming with forceexpecting force and when it is not there, their minds can not comprehend it. You releasewhat isgiven to you. Ofcours a punch to the face you try to avoid. But train thisempiting out ( or changing polarity) anyway itismu bmorethan this
I would like to see Ramsey Dewey really test Adam Mizner and truly prove whether Adam Mizner's chi is fake or not fake. Common please do it.
How would you propose that test be run? Sparring? Or just standing there letting him work like all the other guys?
Just try to uproot him, using whatever techniques or strategies you like.
@@manusaxena6691 Uproot? Is he a weed? Is he a carrot? What do you mean by "uproot"?
@@RamseyDewey if you don't know what that means, you don't understand some basic Taijiquan terminology. Which is fine, but you've put yourself in the position of criticizing what you don't understand. You're attacking a straw man the whole time.
@@manusaxena6691 I learned taiji in China. They don't speak English here. Now cut the crap with the condescending holier than thou nonsense and speak plainly what the heck you mean by "uproot". If you can't even explain something, you definitely don't understand it.
I want to see you go up against Adam Misner!
I'd love that too, but the coward isn't willing to meet anyone who isn't willing to play along and feed his "sifu" ego
The funny thing is: Not even Adam Mizner himself would (or could) use most of the stuff he preaches. Here's a rare video of Adam trying to push someone, who I have yet to see anyone identify, giving actual resistance - th-cam.com/video/4eqJUy2usgM/w-d-xo.html
At the time of this video, Adam already has about a decade of experience with his international school already established.
Yep! That's what's so funny when his followers challenge me: all I would have to do is make it a real Push Hands match, and even if I lose I still prove my point.
The video is from 15 years ago! Skills change in 15 years.
@@Sunyatasattva There are videos of him doing the same "I make my opponent move very far away" stunts about 15 years ago. So... either you think that's fake, so it doesn't count. Or you think it's real, and he can't apply on someone who doesn't want to get pushed.
There's a saying in Chinese that Taiji takes 10 years to leave the gate. If that's the outcome of 10 years of practice, well... something went wrong.
is it just me, or has the the guy only aged 5 years in 15 years?
You should simply invite Adam to your gym directly and have him try it with you. No one does that. Why?!? When people meet him in person they seem to come away with a very strong impression- ask Kieren Krygier (The Martial Man) why he quit Thai Boxing after meeting Adam in person...
i'm glad the debunkers prefer to criticize rather than seek the truth. Truth is not for everyone. They do a great job to keep real Tai Chi away from the crowd. Low vibrational individual will stay in their lane..
This video is does not debunk anything but it is valid in that it adds an external perspective (perhaps not a perfect one) to internal aspects of Tai Chi.
The only way to debunk these techniques is to actually touch hands with Adam Mizner, just like those other MMA fighters, champions included - not first-time fighters -, did and were apparently 'fooled' by Mizner.
There are so many people in this comment section who really want wizards to be real!
I dunno man, the dude can’t even pronounce taijiquan correctly.
What happened to my reply and links I provided for you to check out? For some reason I can't see them at the moment.
@@DJAraRealSalsa the TH-cam robots probably marked it as spam because of the links. They tend to do that.
@@RamseyDewey But they were TH-cam links that would in theory would bring more attention to their own site which one would assume would be good for TH-cam.
Anyway,, I will try again. Here is Adam Mizner being interviewed by a Martial Artist on whom he demonstrates his tai chi.
th-cam.com/video/XuW4UfaC-l8/w-d-xo.html Worth a look if you have the time.
That very relaxing and lowering of one's "center" (including focus) you demonstrate as of such importance in fighting seems to me to also be the most important part of tai chi practice, as I was taught it for several years by someone who, thankfully, believed in physics and not mystical auras. Going against the natural tendency to tense up and raise the center does have a mystical feel to me, though. It's like a physical expression of the observation in the Tao Te Ching that "because water excels in benefitting the myriad creatures without contending with them, and settles where none would like to be, it comes close to the way." As a follower of Christianity, the religion of the "kenosis" (self-lowering, self-emptying) of God, practicing this challenging but eminently sensible physical discipline always feels like prayer...Thanks as always!
As a long-time taiji practitioner, I might as well explain what "qi" is. The people who developed taijiquan were, well, Chinese, so their physiological model was that of Traditional Chinese Medicine. In particular they used that language (including "qi") to describe the subjective feeling of what good body mechanics felt like. Similarly they used traditional acupuncture points as a coordinate system -- a way to specify points on the body. Ultimately the way to test whether your body mechanics are effective is by non-cooperative drills and sparring -- just like even though violinists do basic exercises eventually the test is to actually play -- but when teaching it seems that saying "let your qi sink of the floor" conveys a slightly better mental imagery of *what* the student should do instead of saying "internally adjust your pelvis, knees, and ankles" and letting them figure it out. Similarly saying "laogong" instead of "center of the palm" isn't a huge deal.
Ultimately the good body mechanics taiji is teaching are the same good body mechanics all martial arts (and all sports) are teaching: the training methods might be somewhat different but the principles are the same whether taught by a violin teacher, an MMA coach, or a basketball instructor. There are no secrets, no magic powers. I'm still confused by how people who won't believe the statement "you can cast magic effects from the center of your palm" will buy "you can emit qi out of laogong".
You lost me at magical acupuncture points.
@@ed1726 I'm lost too. But for some reason some snake oil salesmen convince people to believe in them.
Exactly! I have practiced the most popular internal martial arts from many different teachers, i have read books about them, tried them on many different rulesets and i can totally confirm that you're 100% right.
The one chinese martial art that actually normalized teaching stuff which is definitely false is Dim Mak. And even Dim Mak has it's "right way of using" it is pretty much a martial art about attacking weak points like the eyes, throat and the back of the knees, but people have been teaching it as a martial art that targets acupunture/acupressure points while fighting to case grave damage to their opponents and even kill them with only on touch.
Yes, yes many believe that stuff.
Qi defined as "what good body mechanic feels like" seems a very apt description,but i believe there is also a mental aspect ,like actually feeling completely in your body,your mind espanding into the limbs.
@@junichiroyamashita has more to do with a kind of "feedback" sensitivity that awakens your system than with body mechanics, but whatever works best for people as long as they don't use it to grift like this Adam guy does
Thanks for this video. It just made me a better sensei. I'm going to use some of the body mechanic topics to help a group of my students who are struggling with tensing up.
Ramsey said he was going to demonstrate the tai chi stunt exactly how it was done but he forgot to have the "mark" wear MC Hammer pants circa 1990. The embarrassment of wearing those alone would have made me move.
Hahahahaha! You’re right! Now we have to do it again!
One of the things that always bothers me about these chi charlatans is that their "powers" are only good for a very specific type of force like that silly hand pushing. Which of course has extremely limited application even if it is real. I want to see a chi master use his chi powers to stop a double leg takedown, a football tackle, or get the upper hand in a clinch. It's like a video I saw of some Chinese monk who set fire to a newspaper with his chi powers. Even if it was real so what? I can do that with a match or a lighter. I mean we're not talking X-Men superpowers. What's the practical application of your powers and why does it matter? At least no touch knockout goons are dramatically sending people flying and passing out and hitting the floor.
i watched your course, but where can i order the certificate i need to scham people? do you have a pdf i can print out or do I have to draw one myself? Do i put random chinese symbols on them to make them seem more authentic or is there a list i can copy paste somewhere?
Cool! Great Demo. I was told by a Chinese Tai Chi Practitioner that "Chi" in martial arts translates literally to the steam coming off rice. Not the hot burning steam from boiling water, but more like the heat that you feel if you put your hand over a bowl of cooked rice. Then, he compared it to his teenage son, who plays football... and when you pass by him, he's throwing off a lot of heat. He said that the idea from the Tai Chi masters was to be relaxed and flexible, like you said, and you could tell when you were relaxed vs. being tense, because when relaxed, you'd feel warmth. In contrast, if you *tried* to force and feel Chi, it would be like trying to *force* yourself to sleep, both require relaxation. ;-)
So, I understand the biomechanics of getting your partner to tense up in push hands so that you can push him, and to learn to understand the subtleties of momentary tensing... but I don't understand all the various ways that Adam Mizner does adhere and stick? Can you make a video about that?
A very good question but forget it. Imagine a deflated balloon. It has no power. If you put your hand on it, it inflates and has power, I spin the balloon and it can throw you far away.
Ramsey speaks about being in front stance for the 3rd example; I would like to point out that the other "masters" Ramsey shows (and even Ramsey himself) are all in a front stance as well. As he explained Front stance is very strong linearly (forwards and backwards), so even if someone is strong enough to push them without leverage (which is being taken away by the "master") they have a greater ability to resist it and not be pushed backwards.
My master taught me a chi technique so powerful it can immobilize you with the bare description alone, but you must follow these directions exactly:
* Find a very solid wall, with no obstructions, preferably oriented along one of the meridian lines
* Stand erect at a right angle to the wall and press your left shoulder against the wall strongly. Your shoulders, hips and all should be oriented at a right angle to the wall to balance the chi front to back. You don't want an excess chi buildup in your extremities.
* Press the left edge of your left foot against the wall. It doesn't matter whether you press lightly or strongly, the slightest contact connects the chi circuit through the wall.
* You will find that you are unable to raise your right foot. This is because the chi circuit has taken all the chi from your right leg to flow through the circuit.
Please use this technique wisely. Although it can immobilize the most dangerous attacker if you can get them to stand in this way, in the hands of the unscrupulous it could also be used to cause grave embarrassment and ridicule.
I've been thinking for some time that "magic tricks" like this actually compose a significant chunk of legitimate martial arts.
Is being able to exploit untrained people's limited knowledge of body mechanics to do stuff that seems impossible actually useful in a fight? Maybe sometimes, sort of. I've heard a fair number of stories of people successfully grandstanding their way out of fights, performing feats that make belligerents think "Oh shit, I don't want to mess with this person" before violence actually occurs.
But also, you pick up these sorts of tricks in the process of learning practical lessons about physiology, kinesthetics, etc. If you're a grappling expert, some of the techniques you might apply against an opponent will give a sense of "wait, how did they do that?" to an untrained person, because they don't have a sense of familiarity with why those techniques are effective. Martial arts "magic tricks" are just deliberately playing up that gap in kinesthetic knowledge. The knowledge actually *is* useful in a real fight- if you train to create situations where you can take advantage of it. But the actual applications will only look magic trick-like if you're using them against someone who's much less skilled.
Most fights are instigated by untrained fighters who are often intoxicated so being able to make someone who is poorly grounded catapult off with force can be very useful.
It's a different game entirely when that other person themselves has skill and good grounding though
What I learned about chi is that is motion ( in my martial arts the chi is the Kinect flow of our muscles bones and fascia, the later is being very explored by modern bodybuilders nowadays. It is trained with tendons strength. We learn it being a concept of flow of kinetic energy, of biological energy etc, not magic but physics and body mechanics application
great insight and explanation!
yes that is my understanding too!
It's like bear hugging a friend and lifting him up - when he knows you're going to do it and he's fairly stiff, he can be 20kg heavier than you and you'll pull it off, no problem. If he's black out drunk and completely relaxed and someone hands him to you, even if he's light you'll have a hard time keeping him from dropping like a sack of potatoes, let alone lifting him completely off the ground.
Fake tai chi. Actual tai chi envisions your opponent as a sloshy bag of water.
You can’t debunk someone if you have no internal training. I don’t know how good Adam is but he definitely has some internal martial training. What you are doing is external.
You don’t even know what 内家 and 外家 mean。This comment proves it. Please stop pretending.
@@RamseyDeweyI know What it means. But i would like you meet him in real amd make video. That would be amazing
What's your opinion on The Martial Camp they have for internal martial arts every year?
Top meme, rapier fencing uses the first magic trick as the basis of doing thrusts against cuts, and it's genuinely overpowered in historical fencing
Regularly win and podium comps doing that same trick
It works because stick make touch is all you need for a sword to get pretty spooky, but it's become so much more of the game for me that I ever wanted it to
"If I change the rules of the game it doens't work anymore". That's very true. IF you are about to play chess but opponent plays poker it's not going to work.. In that case tai chi player needs to change too. Tai chi is about change anyways. These kind of more static drills are necessary to get the basics going though. So master Ramsey how do you describe Peng Jin that is the fundamental force in tai chi? I am very curious.
Taiji is fighting. Not make believe. Not illusions.
Peng Jin? What language are you trying to speak there? Do you mean 掤勁 bing jin?
@@RamseyDewey Taiji is a fighting system, eventhough it's not practised as such anymore that much. It's a system that is based on very unique training method of building that internal power mechanics that overtime unifies the whole body to work as a single connected unit that expands and contracts on the joints . There is considerably less emphasis on techniques themselves. Reason being that if you don't have the tai ch's internal mechanics it's hard to do the techniques like they were meant to be done and one ends up just doing bad "karate". I don't know the chinese character for peng (jin) but it's very common way to write it in english. This is the most fundamental concept of Tai Chi's power generation. Please tell me that you have even heard about that?
I learned taijiquan in China. They don’t speak English here. I have never once heard Master Yu say that word.
It sounds like you are describing Martha Graham’s theory of modern dance more so than taiji. (I have a degree in modern dance- that is exactly what it sounds like)
@@RamseyDewey I'm sure I can get my wife to find the character for you. Most of the websites talking about Tai chi energies will talk about the basic 4 (peng, lu, ji and an). My master uses that word occasionally but he is more "do than talk" kind of master and he thinks we westerners talk too much about tai chi instead of properly just practising it :) but let me describe the basic mechanics to get the basic peng (also knows as wardof) going and see if we can agree on anything. First one must stand in good aligment and let the tensions of the muscles sink down to the floor (sinking chi) and if there is incoming force from partner, dropping that force down as well. overtime this developes rooting. When this happens something quite interesting happens in the body. There is an expansive "wave" (peng) coming from the ground up to opposite direction that can, if one is loose enough, to open the joints. This ""energy" overtime fill the whole body and gets stronger. If applied correctly the partner force is coming back to him and he feels that his own center of gravity starts coming up. If you are learning Tai chi you must have something like this going on? I wouldn't be surprised if you find similar descriptions elsewhere, this whole peng/tai chi power thing seems to be pretty primordial potential inside humans if one just digs it up and starts developing it further. The beauty of this kind of power is that it's multidimensional and more difficult to deal with (especially when one adds spirals to the movements) because it's difficult to read where the force originates via touch. It also can be trained to the ridiculous levels as I have experience in my masters hands countless times. The experience after such encounter just leaves me speechless. Being floored with huge force that is so soft that it's hardly felt in normal sense but nothing I can do against is just from another level.
I always understood external vs internal as being more extremity driven vs core strength driven. Obviously there’s a place for both. Anyone want to correct me, feel free.
Wonderful, this video is everything I hoped it would be.
I like to practice parts of tai ji (without the fist part) as part of my dancing and honestly learning about shifting weight and chaining a bunch of graceful flowing movements together is a lot better than pretending to be a wizard. I'll never understand why the wonder of bodymechanics isn't enough wonder for them.
Anyway good video.
Dancing? What kind? I shifted from tai chi to tango to get the union thing with another. In this video, strong contract of engagement, firm embrace, enables union as one unit.
Same as that, brings a high awareness of body mechanics weight placement balance. Haven't tried the haudoken yet though 😂
I never touched hands with Adam but I have with other person that bounced me far away without any cooperation from my side
I experienced the same thing too, I’ve been bounced pretty far. There’s nothing magical about it, it’s just the other person having a solid foundation and being sensitive enough to make you off balance enough to send you bouncing back.
I have respect for you Ramsey however on Adam Mizner I'd suggest you attend one of his workshops and find out for yourself. It is so easy to criticise something you have never experienced and Sifu Mizner I am certain will surprise you. Back your words with some action and try it.
That sounds like a great idea..
Unless...this is one of those empty posts for likes and egos 🤔
@@mindfulnessinmotion_aus Lol. It's a post that tries to leverage manners and plausibility to add legitimacy to idiotic nonsense. Ramsey isn't wrong about Taijiquan and the lack of it being shown by this clown. My 8 year old sister would end him in 2 moves with a bokken, let alone the real root of the art - which has they say in Beijing has clear historical roots. In general today in China, it's divided between competitive/performance wushu (which I did for around 18 years) and the more traditionally driven family styles. Of those, very few of the teachers pursue any form of application. It's best noted by those practising it. The elderly and those looking for a relaxing form of light exercise in their mid-life. It excels in that.
Since the original root was Chen and at that time it was an effective combat art for use in garrison/duty work - the change has been the cultural revolution and a decline in anyone remembering what the applications were. Thus it became something of little mechanical (combat) substance. Like any art the techniques can be refined and adapted and plenty do those things. But there's no point wasting years and money on something that can be more easily and efficiently executed by your average boxer.
Just get in shape and keep the weight down. Eat right and make some time for some peace and quiet. Voila. Better Taiji than Mizner.
@@ErraticFaith what you'e saying may well be true, but it runs into the logical problem that, if the claims of Mizner and his many students are legit - then we would still see comments like yours abound. After all, he doesn't claim to practice or teach in a typical way, or even to know much about martial arts. And if someone could push people around with a finger by hacking their nervous system, it would look weird and fake on video.
OK this is a fake.
But there are many,many fakes outside. Not only in Tai Chi, or matrial arts, or arts or nearly every aspect of live.
A skilled person can do tricks on undereducated people. What we can learn here is,get noisy, explore and test these things, and not get overwelmed by feelings.
In fighting, in live, everywhere.
Thank you Ramsey for exposing these charlatans and theirs tricks to mislead people and give real Tai-chi a bad reputation. However, these tricks are showing the real principles of Tai-Chi, economy and correct body mechanics; softeness overcoming hardness; relaxation overcoming tension/rigidy.
That's why in Tai-chi and Wing Chung they spend hours training push hands or chi-sau (sticky hands). Mastering this skill would allow you to sense or even trick your opponent to tense up, thereby giving you the advantage to control him.
No Ramsey, chi works, you just have to back it up with the right tool. If I have a 9mm my chi works 100% no matter how big, strong or tough you are.
The problem is I don't have firearm, so my chi doesn't work.
Coach Dewey, what do you think of Tim Cartmell, please? In a way, it’s appropriate that fake tai chi is body mechanics, because I think real tai chi is also body mechanics, just used differently.
I don’t know who that is.
@@RamseyDewey I’m sorry, I should have explained. He teaches internal arts, but from a very non-mystical point of view. I think you might like his approach.
@@brownjenkin8422 12 years in Taiwan
@@RamseyDewey Tim Cartmell is translator of martial arts books (chin na, Sun tai chi and Shuai jiao). He is an Eighth Degree Black Belt (Master) in Kung-Fu San Soo, and a Black Belt in BJJ He placed first at the 2003 IBJJF Pan Championship as a brown belt (Senior 2),and first at the 2004 IBJJF Pan Championship as a black belt (Senior 2).
This is great!!! I'll make one myself now, very inspirational. I think I can explain the roots and historical reasons in practice why all of this happening now. Is not only Mizner! it's a wide spread phenomenon even in China!
Yep. There are plenty of fakes here. That lady in the clip at the beginning making all those dudes explode away from her, for example, is a very well known and, unfortunately, well respected Qi cult leader.
@@RamseyDewey I've lived in Asia for 20 years, I'm well aware of that! Not sure if we have met in person while in SH, I'm close to Kleber Battaglia. Anyway, keep up to good work again fakers and posers like Mizner. I'll try to do my best to do the same from my side, hope many others will join! ciao
Wait wait wait so I always though the "magic" left with virginity, good video Ramsey I always enjoy your videos where you guys are just having fun and showing this stuff, any further plans to do more women's self defense videos with the knife zombie?
Yes!
You should go to the parks in Shanghai and pretend to be impressed by those fake Tai Chi masters and have them do it on you.
I use "martial" Taichi to treat my arthritic condition. My consultant said, after three years of watching me deteriorate, that I would be in a wheelchair by 2017. I started doing Mizner's "song" exercises in 2016 and they have made a big difference to me. I was on the waiting list to have bits of my spine fused so that I could use a wheelchair properly. Now I am able to run, jump, and play to a level that I have not seen in my life for over twenty years. You have detailed, rather sarcastically, how his specific ""party tricks" are designed to show the weaknesses of other systems. Interesting of itself, but you do the actual body mechanics teaching that he gives a great disservice.
That’s great that exercise has helped you to recover. Movement is the best medicine. Every good physical therapist will teach you that. Surgeons, on the other hand, will push you toward surgery.
I did not detail any such thing as how Adam’s “party tricks are designed to show weaknesses in other systems”
Nothing Adam showed here shows anything about weaknesses of other systems. Adam never interacted with “other systems”. He set up a trick, such as pushing a man down a hill, and then made the claim that it was the power of chi.
What Adam is doing in these clips in not taijiquan, or qigong, or zhan zhuang, or any sort of neijiaquan. He is exploiting the magicians’ trick of forcing to give the illusion to the naive that he has supernatural abilities.
Adam is the one doing a great disservice to himself and all those who trust him by engaging in these activities, thus taking away credibility to any claims of good he may have done in the world. That’s on him- don’t try to shoot the messenger.
Do you know what we call a man who tells 1000 truths and only one lie? A liar.
@@RamseyDewey Thank you for replying. Mr Mizner's teaching is based on song/sung. All of his "party tricks" are there to demonstrate that tension can be exploited. He doesn't claim to have any supernatural power, just the ability to manipulate his own body using Taichi's many and varied systems. He is the first to admit that he can only use this system to exploit postural mistakes in his opponents. I have had dealings with two proper Taichi charlatans and the controlling tone, content and forms that they used bear no resemblance to his teaching. We will probably have to disagree but when you have had your entire body "held in place" by having a hand put gently on your arm then it is not so easy to dismiss as a trick. Have you ever experienced this? Cheers again for giving me a considered reply.
@@RamseyDewey Sorry! Missed a bit. Your second sentence should say "correct movement". Movement, of itself, was not what got me well. I was under intense physical therapy at the hospital for four years and was still deteriorating steadily. All other avenues having been explored I was left with having my spine stabilised so that I could use a wheelchair more easily. In desperation, and using walking aids I looked at Tai Chi. My physio detailed major improvements into my medical notes after just a few lessons. Two years later I was discharged by the hospital because I am now able to manage my condition using the system that Adam Mizner teaches. Check out "One Man Stampede" who has recanted his very vocal opposition of Adam Mizner after attending an HME workshop.
Adam misuses and mispronounces a lot of Chinese words and clearly doesn’t speak the language. What do you believe “song” is? Do you mean 松? To become loose?
What you described is the supernatural power of ergokinesis . That is a power Adam claims, and there are loads of videos of him online claiming to demonstrate this power. That is mesmerism, not taiji.
Taijiquan is unarmed combat. Taijijian is sword fighting. Taiji is Not ergokenisis, telekinesis, or any other supernatural power. A real taiji master can fight very well. He won’t use mesmeric powers to hold you in place with one finger, he’ll throw you on the ground and break your arm.
If it’s giving you the result you want, great. But it’s not taiji.
@@RamseyDewey There are several hundreds of systems that call themselves Tai Chi (or Taiji or various other transliterations). Which one of these systems do you call Taiji? He doesn't profess to "ergo kinesis" he calls what he does "Yi manipulation", which is a totally different thing. Part of it is about timing that can manipulate an opponent, in the same way as stage hypnotism (as you correctly pointed out), but how is that any different from the psych tricks we see used in the ring or by bouncers the world over? The rest is just hundreds of hours learning how to disrupt the other persons intentions with a very clever system of movement. I have watched it work, very carefully indeed because I was skeptical about the claims made by others on his behalf. I am no longer skeptical having actually studied this part of his teaching. As you say, it is giving me a result that I need to be able to continue living. I am a cynic by nature, and will continue to watch carefully! Thankyou for your content. It is, frankly, really superb!
Few words have been abused as much as "master" (sifu).
What people think it means: someone who transcended reality with pseudoscience.
What it actually means: someone who can be trusted to practice and teach accurately without supervision.
Funny how none of the so called masters have any have peers under the same master who teach the same way.
This doc is pretty ridiculous. Mizner doesn't claim anything is magical, he knows hes just using physics like you are, but with tai chi you develop it to a degree to where he can do what you are doing while being completely soft and just using his skeletal and white tissue structures, using elastic and compressive force rather than the levers and pulleys of the joints and muscles. You replicated the things you could visually, but tai chi is an 'internal' art, not a martial art, and only through the internals can you get the pro athletes in the film losing their mind because everything they know about their craft is being approached from a completely different system of movement, and it feels nuts.
Hey man i just moved to hangzhou china, i train kickboxing, i was planning to start competing as an amateur here , but i was just told that there almost no fight here in area and if i want anything i have to pay, or go to the capital and still pay for everything, is that true? The amateur fights situation is like this in china?
Pay for amateur fights in China? Pay for travel, yes, but pay to fight? That’s new. I’m not extremely familiar with Hangzhou, I’ve only been there half a dozen times maybe. My friend Marco Alvarado runs a jiu-jitsu gym there. My advice: get in contact with all the combat sports gyms and wechat groups you can- they’ll most likely constantly be looking for amateur fighters for inter-gym events. They’re happening, in spite of what that one dude told you.
@@RamseyDewey appreciate man, i will sure do🤝🤝
Why don't the tai chi believers in the chat just go challenge the nearest MMA gym members to a sparring match instead of Ramsey. I'm sure they would be quite eager to demonstrate how aggressiveness and an uncooperative attitude will upset their chi. Side effects may include upset stomach (Body shots), dizziness (concussions), and vertigo (Being flipped on their ass).
Because deep down they know they're full of crap.
I might have said it before but I don't think most have any interest in fighting or sparring. Same as maybe many MMA gym guys don't have any interest in a real dangerous fight outside on the road with gangs or drunks. Each to their own. Just be honest with what you are doing. Plenty of alleged expert martial artists get knocked out, glassed, bricked, stabbed, shot, hands chopped off etc in serious street fights. Even just heads smashed against concrete. If I wanted an art to survive at night here I would learn to run, evade groups, 1 hit knockouts, knife avoidance and also get a good lawyer. Many martial art and thus MMA things might not work unless trained in street altercations. Even highschools are rough. I saw judo, karate....blackbelts beaten by groups. Maybe just decent self defence is the way.
I think you still lack an understanding truly of what Qi actually is, try reading the book The Root of Chinese Qigong by Yang Jwing Ming.
Why do you think that?
This is great!
Thanks! The fake qi power cult people don’t seem to appreciate it though!
The "practical application of Thí Chi as I had learned it was the style that you performed. The 'Butterfly was the first form. I was 5 yrs old. The Chuan (please forgive spelling errors) style you have shown does differ a bit but mostly the same.
Thank you so much master Dewey.
if youre sifu is pushing you around he may have some skill but you should really go meet adam instead of talking shit, you may be surprised. and its just ethics to actually find out for yourself before slandering someone. thats where this becomes clickbaity
We’re not talking, we’re doing. You can’t find one rational argument against anything I’ve shown you here. Wizards are not real.
@@RamseyDewey no one said anything about wizards, you’re the one saying that out of nowhere in your own delusion. You are what’s wrong with community, straight slandering someone without ever meeting them. That’s so messed up. It’s clear you don’t know what you’re talking about and you’re just a hater
I don’t need to meet you if what you are teaching is demonstrably wrong and easily falsifiable. A priori knowledge is a gift. Use it.
@@RamseyDewey wow well that’s extremely arrogant and ignorant of you. So you’re literally going to claim to be all knowing right now? Insane, again it’s clear you are not knowledgeable on the topic and you are just hating and clickbaiting. You are not worthy of following. Seems like you are the one trying to start a cult.
Attacking a straw man isn’t honest.
I don’t understand metric-what’s 185cm in cabbages?
Sixteen small cabbages and one radish.
😂😂😂 I love this so far, evn though I'm only a minute in
The idea of feeling your body move balanced and fluidly with energy rippling up through from your feet to the tips of your fingers is a great way to build up your sensitivity to the kinetic chain and to refine movements and techniques to a place many people never will. It also builds up sensitivity to your opponents movements. All the "power of chi" highlights even if it is misleading is that power applied intelligently can defeat a far greater force that is not applied with the same efficiency. Tai Chi is like any other hard won skill. Hard committed training, sweat and graft. Love your vids Ramsey. Thankyou.
@mikib131 Adam is good but likes to attempt to mystify his teaching sometimes. There really is no need. This is what winds experienced fighters up as they have enough hands on experience to understand the mechanics of what is being applied and it isn't magical chi powers as suggested. As I said Chi is a useful training aid and is part of the process but it is not a magical power that will topple anyone. We can all learn something from everyone if our eyes are open.
@mikib131 Adam does state this in his own videos and I totally agree with him. But in the power of chi movie it is misleading. Obviously to try and sell the course that was been marketed off the back of it at the time.
@mikib131 this is not a rant against Adam as I like the guy and appreciate the skill set he has. I enjoyed the film and I understand the interplay between Adam and the guys he's showing his skills on. Whether by editing or intention the film is misleading and winds people up.
then how do i recognize a real Taichi master?
If it doesn' look magical but it's still very effective. Lookup Chen Ziqiang for example
Wait ? You're the Coach at Mordor fight club. Do your students arrive by car or bus....because one does not simply walk into Mordor.
We’re building and army worthy of Mordor over there in the bowels of Minhang!
seriously nobody know what's chi means in kon fu sense, the word means air, in traditional medical, it's like your energy flow.
Everyone in China knows what 气 means. It means air, breath, or gas.
This is not a 'debunking' - it is simply individual opinions from people who have not had actual contact with Adam Mizner, sniping and taking cheap shots - so, armchair martial arts is definitely not to be given any credence
No, this is an honest explanation about how the physical universe works. Wizards aren’t real.
Come try your real martial arts at my Muay Thai armchair gym.
We have protective gear for you in case you don't have any.
@Ramsey Dewey Dude, tai chi is one of the only things I'm not a nerd about. I know a chunk of form that's a great warm up for injured knees and back. (I don't know many of the pose names at all.) I know a lot of it is just footwork and isometrics. And I know a lot of tai chi schools sell misunderstood and down right bad ideas. I wouldn't recommend tai chi chuan as being super useful for self defence, although I've known a couple of guys that could use it like that, and if a young person came to me asking about tai chi I'd honestly tell them to go learn Karate or something and come back in ten years. Tai Chi Chuan is a finesse style. It's great to know on top of another style, but people that don't have proper martial arts experience are easier for the con artists to get to. It's like Jeet Kune Do. Not bad ideas, not necessarily awful, but if you want self defence do some kickboxing first.
I always wondered what the Tai chi counter to a power double would be... never mind, I solved my own puzzle: bull sh!t
hello ramsey, i want to ask you a question because i've heard in your videos that you always read the comments
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i have an issue that i want to overcome. i want to learn how to overcome the fear of hurting people. especially because im a martial artist and i feel i have missed out on many opportunities to shine due to my conscious and subconscious belief that i will end up badly injuring somebody, probably thanks to my past as a teen with anger issues being scolded by my father after beating people up (plus some basic human compassion). he used to tell me that killing and maiming people was very easy, that accidents could and would happen.
i dont consider myself a superfighter with exceptional strength or skill that no one else has, i dont consider myself a badass that see's only red and bodies start hitting the floor either. i also dont think im afraid of getting hit or hurt, i've been through painful fights and i know i can take the hits and stay in the fight
but i feel i have not been able to feel myself truly free and at my best, to know what im truly capable of due to my fear of hurting my opponent
so in short, my question is: how do i overcome the fear of hurting my opponent?
Learn to do controlled technical sparring with no power.
I thought the ideogram for 'chi' is literally 'steamy rice', with the 'rice' radical being removed in the simplified Chinese. So the original idea was somewhat akin to 'steam raising out of something', which then become more and more idealised as 'some hard to see energy (coming out of something)', and then slid into 'mystical energy'.
And it’s always the guys who don’t even speak Chinese who think it’s magic powers.
I teach Tai Chi And Jiu Jutsu, you are just so right, the hand and feet positions are great for grappling.
It is funny watching the Chi masters. Love the debunking.
Who is the taijiquan master you trained with who you believe demonstrated the real thing?
Yu Dao Shui. The man could fight. There was none of this “touching hands” crap the fakers are always talking about. We sparred- strikes and grappling, full contact. The man could fight.
Thank you for your reply. I'll look him up.
You won’t find him on Google. How is your Mandarin?
I'm pretty sure I found a video of him on TH-cam. My Mandarin could do with some work. If I was going to train taijiquan in China again, I'd go straight back to the Chen village.
If you looked for him on TH-cam, no you did not find him.
After seeing how well he’s doing in the USDC despite recovering from COVID and lack of sleep, I think we should make pre-COVID Ramsey and Tai Chi Ramsey a mythical fighter on the same level as Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris
"Exact, exact" i laughed out loud. Oh man, thank u mister Dewey for the video
Qi is not a physical force that can be used to push a physical object. It's a non-physical force. Qi or prana can be used for healing, because you are making changes to the energetic blue print of the physical body, which eventually effect the physical body on a chemical level.
Can't wait to watch this one
Ramsey, I was sort of curious... You did a video a few years ago where you recount an experience with and old (tiny) Tai Chi master that left you bewildered and impressed. Having experienced, what I assume was the "real thing", why then are you so intent on debunking someone like Adam Mizner (and by association Tai Chi in general). In the Tai Chi world it is recognized that "stupid master tricks" are not really the point. More importantly you should know (from experience) that you will never really be able to ascertain his ability until you actually meet the man. Even more importantly, IMO, it his teaching ability that marks him as exceptional. He teaches authentic, and virtually lost, Tai Chi practice "methods" that utterly transform both the mind and body. Most of these training methods are EXTREMELY physically difficult and demanding and generally not taught any more (at least in modern times), probably because most people who do Tai Chi are looking for and expecting something "relaxing", undemanding and essentially easy.
P.s. If I remember correctly your were similarly skeptical of the old Tai Chi master before ending up on the ground over and over and over again.
I answered that very question specifically, in detail in this video. Please don’t ask me to repeat myself like that. There are even marked chapters if you want to skip ahead.
I recognize the fakes specifically because I know what the real thing is. What Adam Mizner does is absolutely nothing like the real thing. It’s insulting.
Do you not remember the context in which I told that story? A video about how so many martial artists today are terrible athletes- while in stark contrast, that 80 year old man was a phenomenal athlete.
@@RamseyDewey I usually don't watch your stuff so didn't know you had addressed the issue. Also, you DEFINITELY don't know what the "real thing" is. Having had contact with a single master doesn't constitute expertise. You didn't "recognize" the "real thing" when first met this master and it was only after he schooled you that you had to acknowledge his skill. In the face of something that is beyond your understanding you now project your limited world view on the entire art. I guarantee that if you actually put your money where your mouth was and met Mizner (or at least his most senior student) you would get schooled again.
@@nternalPractice The issue was addressed in THIS very video you are commenting on and presumably watched. It’s not even subtle. Your question was answered here. You don’t need to be a long time viewer of the channel, you just need to do your due diligence and actually listen to what is said in the video you are arguing against.
I’ve trained with many practitioners of taiji over the last 15 years. I am quite familiar with the art. Adam and his minions suck. Taiji isn’t egokenisis, telekinesis, or some other psychic power. That’s absolutely insulting to compare what he does to Yu Dao Shui. They’re not even doing taiji. I don’t have money to throw away flying around the world to beat up people for free.
You can, in fact, make accurate determinations about the truth of the matter based on the evidence Adam himself has presented in his videos.
Why you intentionaly try to mix charlatans which you showed f.e on 15:09 with Taji Chuan masters? E?
You mean, why did I show a clip of the charlatans while discussing charlatans?
Also: it’s taijiquan
@@RamseyDewey Also: you avoiding question. I understand people laughing at some charlatans.. i laugh as well..but Tai Chi Chuan its anciet internal martial art (this term is to narrow to grasp it as well) In order to do it you have to change yourself. It's internal .Outside observant even master of mma or other MA sureley dissmiss as fake. Even some Taichi masters ridiculy Mizner..why? coz otherwise they would have to admit they arw not such a big masters. This of tajiquan knowlegde was almost lost during the Mao times.. Have some respect too.
@@MisterPartner. the section of this video at the 15 minute mark is a discussion about charlatans. Why are you confused that charlatans are being discussed there? Your question was answered... twice, which is far more attention than it deserved. Pay a modicum of attention. Show some respect yourself and don't waste my time like that.
Nice, glad you are exposing the frauds. I got grilled in some tai chi forums pointing out the garbage. Like adam's brother jumping back when he grabbed adam's leg. disgusting.
Chi is real... I comes out of my butt every time I eat a lot of dairy.
Asian: how do they know our secret technique ?
Awesome as always, coach!!!
I never considered Minzer a fraud. He's more of a "showman" on camera. But if you look close, he does know what hes doing.
At least to me...I see the diamonds in the coal with him. But i have been around a loooong time, so its easy for me. Someone newer with only a few years experience might not see the whole picture.
I agree with that but I think a. he's misleading people into thinking that's what Tai Chi looks like in practice, and b. (Which is related to a) he's fostering an environment of where people think that he has superior fighting skills and that if they follow his program they will too. I do think he has good Tai Chi skills, but I've seen no evidence he can fight.
I work with chi, but loved your video.
As to experiencing chi, I'd ask you or any sceptic to meditate for at least 10 years for an hour or two per day consistently, refining your self-awareness. Your self-awareness will become thus refined you experience the ethereal level of existence. When you engage in meditation yourself, you have a better vantage point for sceptical inquiry as to the nature of your experience.
There is a huge communication gap between the realm of experience of the seasoned meditator and those who are not practised in this discipline. Indian wisdom says that trying to explain the experiential realm of meditation to someone who is inexperienced is like trying to explain the taste of salt to someone who has never tasted salt. This makes it difficult to communicate, and hard for the meditator to explain himself to the sceptic. Perhaps, master Ramsey, the meditator shares the same societal position as the the Christian who prays to Christ and enters into communion with His Presence, but cannot provide the slightest evidence or a scientifically accepted explanation, or articulate himself in any way that is truly intelligible to the world at large.
Chi has a nuanced meaning of breath or air because much of our chi we obtain from the air we breathe, but it is also the breath that "pushes" the chi through the meridians that we know from acupuncture, making the lungs function like a heart for a secondary circulatory system, though an ethereal circulatory system at that.
It is my experience as a meditator that people cannot easily experience an exchange of chi **consciously** because the level of self-awareness is not refined enough. And, indeed, those who seek the experience can delude themselves. A good meditator actually objectifies his mind by making it empty, voiding it of expectations, interpretations, subjective opinions, and of course the ten-thousand rambling thoughts. In this emptiness, there is no desire to experience this or that and only with this as the foundation can the meditator accurately explore reality; though alas he needs to look into a world full of (aggressive and condescending) inapprehension untoward himself.
As a meditator, I experience meditation and chi contribute to martial arts in the following manner:
> Increased presence of mind and thus a greater level of lucidity during a fight;
> Increased calm and emotional control so you can make rational decisions during a fight;
> Increased calm consequentially leads to relaxed muscles;
> Increased calm allows for a more subtle control over your body as likely one is less active in the reptile brain, allowing greater validity for the use of TMA techniques and the traditional sense of mobility;
> The increased awareness of the body makes it possible to react more accurately and quickly to your opponent's interactions with your body;
> The meridians from acupuncture contain many acupuncture points; when your chi circulates freely through these points, all these points in the body communicate well with each other and allows for a greater body control and distribution and direction of exerted force;
> As my self-awareness is cultivated well enough, I can personally experience how the acupuncture meridians and the chi they circulate interacts with my organs, I therefore believe an internal style master can use his chi to enter into my meridians and cause havoc to my organs, such as some of the claims that have been made of the ancient masters that can stop the beating of the opponent's heart;
> I believe such feats are now rare because 1) the ancient calibre has been eradicated by the cultural revolution, 2) modernism has caused a cultural-societal incompatibility with the necessary stillness one has to conduct oneself by (it being socially unacceptable as the stillness causes offence); stillness is necessary to stabilise one's chi where a rambling mind and mouth constantly scatter it (Buddhism teaches it are the mind, body, and speech that direct the lifeforce), 3) the socio-cultural incompatibility makes internal cultivation a taboo topic so that those who wish to practice have difficulty attaining the necessary calm to become and stay empty, and legitimate masters might not want to make a public appearance, fearing to be equated with fraudulence, 4) we can no-longer distinguish the true from the false due to the many instances of (intentional/unintentional) falsehood that proliferate.
Martial arts should always be practical as its purpose it about what matters most: protecting your welfare and that of others against harm. Anyone who wishes to incorporate meditation/mysticism in martial arts training should always emphasise the practical and physical while enhancing/supplementing it with the meditative disciplines. If one believes to have attained an abnormal ability, it should be proven in the ring or the cage. If this is not done, you cannot teach; unless you want to teach it in the form of yoga, qi gong, or seated meditation only.
The already quite old publication Bioenergetic Medicines East and West by Clark A. Manning and Louis J. Vanrenen (North Atlantic Books) provides quite a few examples of scientific measurements of chi but also discusses how it is a taboo topic within the academia, causing censorship and sabotage of research. Human beings primitively form a herd to survive the environment and need to function as one effective collective body. For this, social stability is needed, which is primitively attained by enforcing uniformity upon the participating members. Everyone has to look, think, behave, and communicate the same. If not, a primal hysteria of denial ensues, escalating into uniformity-preserving behaviour. This is so strongly present within any arising paradigm, be it the academia, a religion, or indeed the world of martial arts, that anything that contradicts the ruling paradigm (that determines the uniformity) will be persecuted socially and/or physically and will be utterly stigmatised by a blind primal raging fear. To deny and attack to contrasting factor using argumentation, social-emotional violence, or indeed physical violence, is not a matter of truth or falsehood, but an act of virtue-signalling towards the ruling paradigm, ensuring one's place within the uniformity of the herd (herd; i.e. culture or subculture). This, alas, means the meditator and the mystic will have to stay out of the dojo and the gym for yet a while :-).
We must always practise respectful scepticism, but we must also keep our primitive proclivity towards standard-preserving denial in mind.
you are absolutely retarded if it took you 10 years to feel chi, it takes about 5 minutes at most, all chi is an electromagnetic field generated by cells, it can be focused at hands via concentration
I love reading self-initiates brag about their achievements after 10 years of 2 hours a day training, which is what you get at 5 minutes mark in any legit system.
Chi does work. I blasted my opponents in Krav Maga with the Kamehameha and Spirit bomb. I am banned from using those Taijiquan abilities. So now I use Ninjutsu techniques such as Rasengan and Chidori.
What would you say about when the Martial Man had Adam Mizner on and Adam let him get the inside position and actually grab him tightly around the torso, Adam was still able to effortlessly throw him off? Also, here is a hard style karate guy who attests to the reality of Adam's method th-cam.com/video/kKuAAt1etfo/w-d-xo.html
Did you not read my comment on that video?
@@RamseyDewey Sorry, I don't usually go around looking to see if you've commented on each video I watch. I'll be sure to check from now on.
It’s the only comment on the video.
@@RamseyDewey Says zero comments.
Interesting. He must have hidden my comment. Did you know you can hide comments on your channel so the person who posted it can still see it, but no one else can? It’s a great option when you have crazy people who write streams of horribly offensive posts. They keep posting not knowing that no one will ever read their novels.
I would bet Ramsey Dewey is in for a surprise when he meets Adam Mizner. I think the only thing getting debunked here is Ramsey's knowledge of internal arts. MEET ADAM MIZNER!
Wizards aren’t real, and please stop mistranslating 内家拳 as “internal arts”
@@RamseyDewey What do you think of my fake martial art? th-cam.com/video/igbi8ysvNMU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kk597feLa2e1XBzm
We spend SO MUCH time talking about chi, when really we should be talking about chi-chis. 😋
the cool flowy movements of Tai Chi must be great for basic wrestling
you are 100% correct what those people show is BS and quite a few of them are simply doing tricks and among those some are simply cone artist. however that doesn't change the fact that there is more to life than just one dimensional mundane existence. Imagination and abstract thinking are great gifts. (although they don't apply that much in martial arts or sports in general) and there are things to be said for traditional healing for example. of course this has to do with the fact that plants have actual chemicals that can heal a person its not a magic trick. and as far as martial arts are concerned there is still some value in traditional martial arts. both eastern and western. The thing is they relied more on weapons of the era like swords, spears and such that is why their martial arts were based on those weapons and hand to hand combat came second. The unfortunate thing is that actual martial arts of that time became lost,watered down, or right down new forms were created that had nothing to do with actual martial arts of the past that were more about dance than actual martial art.
however what some people claim that ideas behind using center line are BS but actually the are not. except those people understand the use of center line as exactly opposite of what it truly means. I know almost nothing about martial arts but even I know that use of the center line means you want to attack your opponent's center line while protecting your own. (and by the way one way to protect your center line is to move you center line off to the side so that your opponent can't hit it) not to stay in the center to your opponent which some people think it means. But this would in effect mean exactly opposite to an actual meaning of the correct use of the center line. and if you confuse gas with brake obviously you are more likely to crush not less.
You must be very good martial arts. I am wondering if you can advise me how to survive sudden attack from ten experience killers welding swords?
Most of these Tai Chi "powers" are easily explained. The Masters posture/position allows him to use larger muscle groups against the students weaker position of using small muscle groups. The vast majority of Martial Arts is just position (footwork) to allow maximal use of greater muscle groups against an opponent, usually forcing them to use smaller muscle groups to succumb to the technique.
This also means that a lot of Tai Chi is misunderstood as it focuses on identifying these muscle group battles. Tai Chi is wonderful at showing how to approach these muscle group battles, but utterly fails at realistic implementation.