After watching Season 2 of Amazon's The Boys, it's time to ask the question - does it measure up to Season 1, or is this show starting to lose its way?
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I dunno, it just didn't feel satisfying watching it. Like, none of them could really kill each other, or incapacitate each other, so where's the danger? The best they could do was kick Stormfront a few times, knowing full well that she could escape whenever she wanted to. Though, personally, I kind of found the Maeve confronting Homelander to be the stupidest moment. Why didn't Homelander just use his laser eyes on the phone to destroy it?
@@qty1315 i would guess homelander just assumes there is more then one recording so if destroys that one and kill maeve elaina will release another copy
@@qty1315 Yeah it really felt tacked on and the Maeve confronting homelander thing? Like after all the shit HL did to try to get his son back, he could have killed maeve and butcher, destroyed the phone and then go to find Elaina, he literally could have done anything, instead he does nothing because this entire season was "blackmail the plot device".
My biggest problem with that scene is that Maeve came out from nowhere She didn't know where they were, and didn't arrive with a car or helicopter. She basically just happened to go exactly where all the characters were on foot
That moment when Queen Maeve, Starlight, and Kimiko beat the shit out of Stormfront is kind of purposefully in your face. It is meant to parody those girl power moments they never get right in superhero cinema. Hell, they even have Frenchy say the "Girls get it done." line from that cringey ad the one lady had made earlier in the show. At least that's how I interpreted it.
Maeve saving the day out of nowhere was really weird (how did she know where they were located? It's not like she could fly and locate them easily either), but the parody on girl power moments is amusing, though probably people who didn't like the scene are too put off by girl power moments that even parodies of it makes them cringe. Oh well, it's nice to have women front and center for a change because the default for superhero movies have always been men.
@@Sofiaode18 agreed. Although Maeve saving the day, was not really out of hoe where. It was hinted at and build up through out the season that Maeve would step up and help starlight, starlight even came to her just before to ask for help. And then when Stormfront was exposed that was the final straw and she stepped up. Also her knowing where they are makes sense, as basically every supe has that build in gps tracker. So if you pick up on every hint in the season, it is anything but out of nowhere. Only potential plot hole is how she got there so fast. Maybe she has a jet like wonder woman, although i do not think this is the case. She probably has the same thing as black noir, where she is basically faster than a car and that is how she got there so fast
I'm a little late, but the trio beating down Stormfront made total sense. They were the only ones who could fight her because they were the only ones with superpowers.
First of all, Nah. The boys had a plan and devices to render Stormfront's powers useless. And apperantly in the comics, They just do that. A lot of things have been changed in the show. Including the gender of the stormfront.
@@Kronosfobi They did have devices to defeat Stormfront... until she blew them up. I don't think anybody's too upset about the gender swap, the character in the comics was pretty bland and forgettable. Switching it up allowed for more originality and added layers to the Homelander relationship that they couldn't do in the comics (unless they were both gay). There aren't too many comic book adaptions that are 100% faithful to the source material anyways. Sorry for the paragraph, hehe. Cheers.
@@ogreface8 You got me wrong. Im 100% on board with the new Stormfront. Im not trying to argue comics is better because I only know that the Boys managed to beat the Stormfront in the comics, I didnt read them. I enjoy the show as it is (with the minor problem of character arcs the drinker mentioned on the video but eh, can be tolerated.) Cheers :)
@@Kronosfobi Huh. I respect your sense of respect. I haven’t seen anyone get butthurt about Stormfronts gender swap. And if there are, they’re silly and need to go find something worth bitching about.
Stupidest part for me was when frenchie shouted “quick we need to get the rocket launcher in the car” like maybe don’t say that in front of storefront or else she would immediately blow it up like she did.
The Homelander is so well presented in this show that he actually terrifies me whenever he's on screen. (Apart from the fact he can be tamed by a simple blackmail.) And I really hope they don't mess him up.
That’s where I have high hopes for season 3. Once he loses his need to be loved by everyone (if he does) then blackmail won’t stop him from literally doing anything he wants.
I like the on-running joke that whatever sea creature the deep talks to they almost immediately die in the next scene. I was wondering how they were gonna kill the whale when it first appeared and I was laughing my ass off when it died
I actually really hated this. After the third or fourth time it happened, it became clear that we were not supposed to take any of the deep's psychological trauma seriously, which left a really bitter taste in my mouth. I heard it got worse in the later seasons and decided the show wasn't worth watching anymore partly because of that.
I think the main problem with the show is that they're kinda getting into a corner, because in the comic the boys had a way to actually fight, and kill, the supes, meanwhile in the show they kill translucent early, and then... nobody, for a long time. I mean shit, Butcher's name was so fitting because that was also what he did - he had zero mercy for anyone superhuman.
@@rapidvetD You mean telekinesis. The one that flipped the van over, right. Funny thing is, there was that chick that escaped the institution that hitchhikes at the end, with the shaved head, that basically has the same power as Victoria Neuman. But we never saw her again.
@@nlawson2004 no i meant the dude that played the kid in the sixth sense died too. He ratted the boys to homelander then billy went and bashed the dude's face on a public sink. And yeah there was that dude that flipped the van over and injured hughie
I'm just mad that Starlight, who's ONLY power is absorbing and using energy, got hit and damaged by Stormfront's plasma blasts. Like come on, I was waiting a whole season for Stormfront to accidently supercharge Starlight much like Thor did to Ironman in the first Avengers.... I mean like that is her ONLY ability... "absorbs energy"... Are her powers actually useless just like Butcher said? lol
@@kohth5027 True, but much like a Tesla coil, her plasma is just electromagnetic energy ionizing the air around it. Basically she just makes thunderbolts when she flies. It's just electricity. But ya, oh well.. I didn't know why I expected more. They cheaped out her power's special effect into a screen flash "whiteout" effect both seasons. XD
This also kind of blew my mind, as well. I assumed Starlight being around was going to be a literal hard-counter to Stormfront's bullshit, but the fact that she wasn't even remotely close to that bugged the hell out of me.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 Kid? I’m probably older than you😂😂 Good job you can spot a spelling error, you must be so smart. The fact that you named yourself a DC name says all I need to know.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 did ya know the writer of the comic book hated superheroes. He intentionally ripped off every popular superhero, gave them shit names and personalities. Cause he's tired of superheroes. The series changed many things and made it much better, tho ig someone like you who only consumes product wouldn't understand.
@@DiggitySlice An in-between for how the show is doing it, compared to how the comics did it, would have been nice. In the comics the boys were all V'd up and could fight almost all the supes, which was a bit OP, but having none of them use it in the show makes the entire thing even more unrealistic. I'd like to actually see fights scenes between the main characters, but since the supes could kill them with a pinky, that's never gonna happen lol.
@@patwest1815 not necessarily, it didn't give any of them actual super powers, they were just strong enough to deal with the lower level supes. They still couldn't handle the actual seven and that's where all the blackmail and whatnot comes in.
He quickly became my favorite hero and idk why, he just seemed like a real character instead of "good or bad". They handled that story about as well as they handled the entire show this season.
The all female fight at the end doesn’t seem forced at all, they built the characters properly not around their gender or their ideology but on their actual development and the payoff made me audibly excited
Exactly. Starlight, kimiko and Maeve all had legit beef with stormfront so it didn't feel forced at all. Kimiko's whole arc that season was the trauma of losing her brother and being scared of stormfront
@@hez859 I do wish we could’ve seen more between Kimiko and Stormfront for that very reason. Felt like it was cut short after an entire season of wanting to watch Kimiko beat her ass lol.
Well it's the Picky Alcohol Consumer. Anything where girls are more than titular macguffin for male protag to save their ass 24/7. Rami MJ is a prime example. Sure her chemistry with Tobey's Peter Parker was great, but every film she gets kidnapped by the main villain. I like Zendaya's MJ far more than Kristen Dunsts' MJ because she's not only capable of being self-sufficient, but she's also snarky and a smartass. Plus it's not like she's a do-no-wrong woman, she does get in peril during Far From Home's final battle where Mysterio's drones were targeting her, Happy, Flash, and Ned. Starlight, Queen Mave, and Kimiko are quite exceptional characters in that they're not strong female characters for the sake of feminism empowerment (Unlike Rey or Carol Danvers), they are actually CHARACTERS with flaws of their own.
I did sort of enjoy the anti-marketing going on: -Nobody drinks Fresca except cult members -Protagonist hates Almond Joys; later used to nearly kill someone
@@KurosakiRuka I admit I suspected the same, however, I uess it was something of a red herring after all (as was the Compound V escapees). But, after ep 7, my money on the head poppers was either the Church or "Not Ocasio-Cortez".
@@KurosakiRuka YES it is (was) a real product back when I was a kid (1970's) like Mr. Pibb (Dr. Pepper clone), RC cola (Coke/Pepsi clone)... Fresca was the (Sprite, 7-Up clone) .. Someone else can chime in... 43 year old memories failing -- Never drank any of them.
Season 1: high audience rating | decent critics rating. Season 2: high critics rating | decent audience rating. Hmmmm... where have I seen this before?
also i just want to note: i loved that line. not just because its clearly tongue in cheek poke at certain real world tropes, but it also TOTALLY fit the character. Frenchie has always been for lack of a better word a total pussy around women. his character has always been in awe of strong women, its very clearly a defining characteristic of his personality. So when he says that line..it just fits. He totally would say that, not because of some "the message" or whatever, but because that is just how he is. he would think nothing of men doing the same thing, it wouldnt even get him to blink, but any time he is around a strong female he becomes a complete and utter fan boy. and i fucking love that about his character. its refreshingly different.
The "girls get it done" scene came so nautrally and made so much sense compared to something like the "she's got help" scene. I didn't notice at all that it was all girls fighting until Frenchie pointed it out.
I was chill with it until frenchie made the statement. Which sucks because I really like frenchies character shame he was done dirty with a line like that.
@@ladfromearth5791 Stormfront was always the loudest and most obnoxious with the "girls get it done" narrative. The line being used while getting the shit beaten out of her makes it all the more perfect. I see it as frenchie saying it ironically and not because he now somehow came to some realization he hadn't had before - mind you, he knows exactly how well his goth gf gets things done and that he can rely on her when needed.
Then I think it did a poor job imo, I didn't know it was a parody and the first time I saw it I thought it was as cringy, if not more, then the scene in endgame. Due to how on the nose it is.
I wouldn't say the scene in avengers was ridiculous exactly. At most it brutally threw me out of the movie for a few seconds xD. But yeah. The scene from the boys was awesome!
Even if its not mocking at least in this context it makes sence since only girls there were supes, unlike in Endgame where I just tought "How the fuck did they coordinate that on the fucking battlefield"
@@ZeRafut It didn't do a poor job, at all. Sorry, but your opinion fucking sucks. It was mocking the "girls get it done" theme it had previously set up earlier in the show around episode 4 or something. And this was a mockery of how third wave feminism and female shows of power has been very unsubtly and sometimes unintelligently injected into modern day cinema. Simultaneously, the scene was also a callback to a scene in the comics where the original Stormfront is beaten down in the exact same way. (Only difference is the genders are all flipped and the characters issuing the beatdown are different.) *Almost everything in this show is a parody of something. And it certainly isn't the fault of the show that you failed to realise that.*
@@hmm7829 glad you pointed out this was in the comic and is literally how Stormfront dies in it. I saw it as a nice callback to the comic and a jab at Marvel, and I fully agree, it’s not the shows fault some people didn’t get that.
I think the show knew what it was doing with the female trio fight scene, it was clear with frenchies insanely cheesy line that the show was both making fun of the stereotype and helping drive the plot as these women have been badly affected by stormfront and also the only people there in the fight range that have powers. Starlight was threatened and silenced by stormfront and exposed her, kumiko had the worst from her as stormfront killed her brother and maeve just hated her guts and felt like SF was fueling homelanders rampage
Yeah I got really annoyed by it tbh. I was really glad when last episode, who was it? District Attorney or Judge or whatever? that Mallory wanted to blackmail was like 'what you have a video of me screwing my maid, please release it, I beg of you!'
I'm going to have to disagree about Maeve's arc. She's traumatized, beat down, depressed and still terrified. Her arc is about a survivor who can barely cope, trying to reclaim her dignity by the end of it all, and has some solid celebrity parallels besides. I think that character story was actually quite well handled, though I agree on most other points about the season's failings.
I actually appreciate the Deep’s character… his story arc goes completely differently than the rest of the show… he’s the “Better call Saul” to The Boys’ “Breaking Bad”. It’s small stuff but I enjoy the emotional exploration he goes through and how pathetic he sees himself. It’s so weird and interesting to me.
I feel like this review missed that point. It talks about how the Deep hasn't changed and earned a redemption but I think that was the whole point. It was a satire of celebrities who do terrible things and use religion and pr manipulation to act like they have changed for the better when they haven't changed at all.
I dislike it tbh. The Deep feels less like a character and more like a stand-in for an actual sexual predator that one of the writers wrote into the show to make them suffer incessantly and show them experiencing awful things (like when the girl he invited called him freak, stuck her fingers in his gills and pretty much raped him on screen) as a some sort of fucked up coping mechanism of projecting their own traumatic events onto the screen. It really does feel personal what they're doing with the character and the preachy, heavy handed message of vengefully making the predator suffer is only superficially aligned with the tone of the show, it stands out but not in a good way
@@vassalofthenight9945 At first, I thought the scene with Deep being raped on scene would be a way for him to grow as a character as he reflects on what is essentially karma. That whole thing is ignored and the season continues to show that he’s a celebrity who doesn’t change his ways (much like the comment before mentions). If I understand your comment correctly, the implication of Deep’s response to the rape event and the season concluding with Deep not learning a thing are grossly misaligned. So it seems like the rape event is just used for the writers to feel good about themselves and can be taken out if their goal was to show how celebrities never change after scandals they’re involved in.
@@bubblehead4270 I just want to point out after all that you and the other commenter said about him, is that his name is Deep, but he’s a very shallow character/person.
I think they did her hair like that so she looks very different for other roles and in public. being s nazi and all. People are mental and will carry her role with her person.
If you think about it though, The Deep is the secret hero of the entire season. Without his dumbass, Maeve wouldn’t have been able to save Billy with that crash footage. And A-train wouldn’t have been able to steal the documents on Stormfront. None of the main characters would have been able to really do much without the few little things he unknowingly did for them lol
Yeah, but that's not really good storytelling. The Deep didn't do anything important to the rest of the story, he was just doing his own thing. The only reason for us following The Deep is so the people around him could be used to give other characters plot armor.
@@wesdog784 Totally agree. The Deep was pretty much used as a plot device to facilitate easy fixes to neatly tie up the end of the season. And, beyond that, he was pretty much just used for comedy. His story went barely anywhere this season.
@@leonhartdragomir8948 Super curious where they’ll go with him. I can’t even predict what he’s gonna end up doing as be didnt do anything in the books. I’m just glad the actor is funny, otherwise his story really wouldn’t work at all for me
@Winter Green Bruh that was a jab at ANTI- 2a folks. He drew his gun in self-defense, because he was being attacked. Then he was murdered by a "good guy" for having a gun even though it was perfectly justified to draw his firearm in self-defense.
Yea that moment was...bad...it didn't even get brought up again? Like she just accepted it. They murdered him and hijacked his car. I'm all for protagonists put in morally conflicting situations but this didn't feel like that. Just felt clear cut wrong as fuck, especially when she justified it as "all i was thinking was why did you pull out the damn gun???" ??? Because you were fucking mugging him???
Not to mention the people trying to compare her to ordinary people who they call "nazi's." It's annoying because they call anyone who disagrees with their view a Nazi.
The all females beat down was funny and on purposely in the face, with Ashley saying “girls get it done” earlier in the season, and the show already calling the media out and making fun of it. I found it really funny
The Boys was never very subtle. Still, I kinda thought they wouldn't do the Nazi thing, because like, Nazis are kind of stale at this point. What can you do with Nazis that hasn't been done at this point?
The "Not Nazis" sure do get butthurt when people dig on Nazis LoL. I liked how Stormfront put it, something like "they loved WHAT I was saying, they just dont like the word Nazi".
Considering the reveal at the end of the last episode of who the ultra woke congresswoman really is, I don't think your assessment regarding messaging over story is entirely fair
I hope they don't blow it. Having the AOC character support big corporations while preaching socialism is an awesome jab. I swear, if she turns out to be a Nazi I'll lose it
Thought the middle was a bore, thought it had lost its edge. Brought it back near the end, but next series needs a bit more focus and the stuff we loved about series 1. Homelander was fucking brilliant though.
@@jonbaxter2254 Actually that could be a good idea for the 3rd season. Introduce a group of people that are neither Vaught nor Boys and a genuine threat to both.
I thought the first season was a bit one-note anyway. Once I'd seen a few episodes I found I'd seen them all and so I found it a chore to watch the whole season.
yep. that's exactly precisely right. this is why I don't watch shows at all. it's just ridiculous. They adapt things and are so creative in first season. 3 episodes in season 1 feels like 10 already and they keep on delivering same pace till the bitter end. 4 episodes onto season 2 and I'm thinking why the hell am I still watching it. They do the same thing with Ray Donovan. 1 and 2 are awesome. Than they just keep stretching it and stretching it. Nobody ever dies. Same characters being squeezed like that's just gonna work and automatically make a good story.
Exactly why I don't usually watch TV shows. It's all padded out. That's exactly what happened here, so much needless "drama" just to drag out the playtime, between real plot elements. Not watching season 3, have lost all interest in the show after this season.
@@nathanluz1218 that might be true for shows with hour long episodes, but the ones with episodes that are 20 minutes are usually a lot more fast paced with a tighter narrative. see bojack horseman
Homelander's arc in S2 is great. After killing Stillwell, you get the impression he can do whatever he wants now and he doesn't need anyone. But reality sets in and he actually can't. After facing Stan Edgar and his public image crisis - he learns that he's actually quite needy of being worshiped by the public and doesn't actually have any control over Vought. His whole schtick seems to be about him trying to control everything and failing at it, not a type of arc we see often in villains. On the note with Hughie, the first season was very centered around him, it's understandable why they want to spend the second one on other characters lives, this time mostly focusing on Billy and Homelander - we got to see their similarities, parallels but also what sets them apart ultimately.
In my humble opinion, I think each character has a significant or minor role to play in this house of cards. Remove one and the whole thing comes crashing down....Okay, that might be a bit of a hyperbolic anology, but you get the point. Without Kimiko, Frenchie, Mother's Milk, Hughie, Butcher, the entirety of The Seven, etc, there'd be something missing; a piece of the puzzle that completes the image.
@@stevem2323 Honestly, I felt the beat-down was well-deserved and properly built up. Not only do Starlight, Maeve, and Kimiko all have a clear reason for wanting to beat the crap out of Stormfront, if she'd been allowed to raise Ryan with Homelander..... Bye-bye, Kansas. Say what you want about making her a Nazi, but it wasn't forced in our faces. So, I see no problem with that, especially since the reason behind Stormfront's existence makes sense within the context of the lore.
It took me several episodes to realize Antony Starr was the actor who played the lead in Banshee. He embodies Homelander so well that I didn’t recognize him. Great actor.
Shit i thought i saw him somewhere. The new hair changed his face. Ps: he is probably sad he can't fuck two girls per episode like he did in banshee. Lol
Came here to make a judgement call on whether to give season 3 a go. After reading many comments, I was thinking about sticking it on but then I read a comment that Seth Rogan was involved in this, I think I'll give it a miss.
Give it a go, Seth Rogan is actually only involved in one 13 minute long episode, which also isn't relevant to the plot of the show since it's an animated episode. Season 3 still is very good, especially compared to all the other woke stuff around.
@Cure4Living Seriously, he ruthlessly murdered his handler and spared Butcher just to show him the horrible truth. You'd think his "family" would be his main focus, but he focuses more on restoring the status quo despite season one. He needed Stormfront to manipulate him into making moves.
@@silverblade357 Family is his new focus. The problem is he is so very bad at it. HL tried to build a relationship with his son and screwed that up. Then Stormfront prods him to try again, and Stormfront helps him totally screw up whatever chance he once had with his son. HL falls back on obsessing on his public life because that is the only kind of success he knows. HL is left with status quo because he is a complete failure this season. It is not exactly neat and tidy, but HL's arc is half the season IMO.
Hope we see Drinkers opinion on season 3. After season 1 things started to appeared to be far more poorly written than season 1. Season 3 seems to be similar to season 2 in its approach towards storytelling and adapting from the comics. The more I read the comics, the more I think why the hell would you opt for anything other than the original source material. I have a strong feeling that Mr Hurr Hurr Weed Lmao has far more of an influence since season 2, hence the decline in quality across the board. At times season 3 feels like it’s written by a child, or more likely purely for Seth’s cameo, which does depict him correctly as a disgusting wanker.
Season 3 was sick. They made you like SB only to show more of him and then change your perspective on his team and the Noir twist was way better than "im a cannibal to make homelander look crazier than he is" the comic books are pretty garbage a part from the first few issues. Think the show is a vast improvement
@@hez859 if you liked SB at any point that's pretty sad. It upped the ante on political leaning and got annoying at points with it, if A-Train ran through racist dude scene 2 I'd been clapping, but gotta extent that woke. Way, way too often it was fuck Trump supporters which is like.. okay, didn't we get enough of that for 4yrs? Be more creative and get away from heavy handedness on politics. But then again anyone who calls a comic/ book trash compared to the show/ movie is clearly not good at judging. MM was my favorite character and this did his character dirty.. shit has slowly become THE MESSAGE rather than good writing/ story telling. Sucks, i wanted more of the same at minimum but shit been a decline after season 1
@@hez859 the twist wasn’t the Noir is darker cause he eats babies. The twist was that Noir was a clone and that Noir is the one who actually made the footage. Meaning Homelander goes off the deep end, not because of himself, he gets framed. If you took the baby eating as the twist then you weren’t paying attention.
@@N0rt3x Well we can only theorize as the show hasn't explained it (mainly because it doesn't matter and is not important) but she most likely followed stormfront (we saw she was pissed at her when she saw her in the tower) there and found butcher by asking everyone that was left behind.
@@N0rt3x maybe read the comics the book is based off of and learn that queen Maeve has heavy attachment to “the legend” ... who knows about all the supes weakness and locations 24/7
I think having Homelander act almost human towards his son gave some levity to what was a so-so story overall. It was sad to see him almost find his humanity only to lose it irrevocably
They should all fear the day when Homelander becomes immune to blackmail because he, simply, does not care any more. Then he would be free to express all his sociopathic urges and become the dictator of somewhere. Really, the only thing holding him back is a misguided sense of trying to keep up appearances to maintain his lavish lifestyle. If he ever figures out that he can become Kim Jong Un, what is to stop him? maybe a nuke?
You have to be careful with making a villain all powerful because your write yourself into a corner like this. Although I like overpowered villains if I'm feeling the villain is more compelling.
@@fran3ro the only reason that worked on translucent was his vulnerability to electricity, it would take some other deus ex makina to work, I'm not sure exactly what it would end up being though.
I disagree about Hughie. He definitely wasn’t as critical as last time, but he is responsible for a good deal of the Boys’ success this season. His decision to save A-Train results in their ultimate victory, his plotting with Starlight causes Vought to go into damage control, he was the reason Annie escaped and so on.
and not only that. the thing with girls get it done was clearly a parody of the avengers scene when it was truly forced. I think you if you go too political, you tend to make it all about politics
@mrs0019 That’s the point really. He’s taking initiative and sometimes it works but since he’s a novice he doesn’t know what he’s talking about and it shows. It’s why his final decision makes so much sense for his character
I think there are two major problems with him. First, you cannot absolutly relate to him. Normaly when you have week protagonist he/she is at least brave, Hughie acts like his only motivation is that he wants to have sex with Starlight. There is nothing else in him anymore. The scene when I think most of us lost respect towards him was him inside that fish. He was such a drama queen there. It makes no sens. It showed that he is too weak to acomplish things that he is accomplish therefor it is hard to believe he is a real person and that is my second problem with him. His actions are not the actions of someone like him. Sorry for bad english.
Well if he was on the line with S2, The Drinker likely will retract the recommendation with S3. Not that it was terrible but it still suffers from the same ailments increasingly becoming an issue. And it has set up S4 for ruination
The original comics creator Garth Ennis is not listed as a producer for season 2. Now it’s all Hollywood types. Hence more wokeness and less character depth. It can only go downhill from here.
@@davethepieman12 That’s a great point. Makes me wonder if there was a falling out between the original creator and Seth Rogen et al just like there was between Dumb and Dumber and GRR Martin?
I don't think Garth Ennis had hardly anything to do with the depth of the characters. The original comic is so far from the television show, that I don't really feel like any of the interesting character stuff had anything to do with him. The comic characters are generally not very deep, and the show has done a much better job of making them interesting. The comic focused on just killing a whole bunch of stand ins for real comic groups, and even the 7 were hardly touched. It makes me feel like you haven't looked into the comic series at all if you think Garth fuckin Ennis was the reason the first season was so good.
8:07 Actually, when you think about it, Homelander is Titan in Megamind. Both receiving superpowers due to a scientific chemical, feeling a big sense of entitlement for love and attention they believe they deserve, just because they're powerful enough to get away with anything they want. If fact, both are best described with this quote: "All your gifts, all your powers, and you squander them for your own personal gain?"
@@connorhutchinson9615 Why didn't she fry them all with her lightning power? There is nothing stopping her from just zapping all of them to death (especially since Starlight's too dumb to use her absorption powers against Stormfront) yet she just lets them beat the crap out of her. Kinda ruins the tension when characters are made stupid to force the story into a certain direction.
@@lordofthepizzapie9319 Because these sjw writers and producers don't REALLY care about women's rights the same way they don't REALLY care about racism...and are actually guilty of both. Pure hypocrisy.
the huey of the first season would never take a emotional unstable guy and go head on in vought to save someone.maybe he didn't evolve that much as a character but he has changed for sure . Also i would get the ''cringy'' scene where all girls are hitting stormfront any day compered to scenes like female group shot in avengers endgame.
eh, that was the worse scene in the history of the cinematography. It totally destroyed Marvel movies for me. It was so fake. And Gwineth Patrow suddenly is an Ironman, because I guess anyone can be Ironman. I hope one day they will teach people about how stupid people become in 21c.
When i watched that episode i immediately remembered the ''girl power'' scene from endgame. For me, it wasn't as cringy as the endgame scene, but still was. So i hope that doesn't happen again next season.
@@kboid5919 We have always been stupid, it just became more apparent nowadays. Besides, criticizing Marvel movies isn't the best way to show the degradation of humanity. They're harmless pieces of art, nothing more.
The cheap shock value is getting stale. Especially in s4. The show runner is using the show to hamfist his own political opinions down your throat. Good thing this show has Homelander Butcher and Ryan. Without them this show would be trash😤😤
Yah know what I enjoy most about The Boys? It doesn't drag its feet. It doesn't take an entire season to reveal Compound V, 2 episodes & bam, done, the World knows & voilá the World doesn't care.
There were so many conveniences in this season as well. They would often present obstacles to heighten the stakes, only to have it solved rather easily by something convenient or blackmail. And I believe blackmail was so overly used this season. The cycle of "obstacle solved by blackmail" even got predictable and boring. Would have preferred to have the issues resolved on the first try instead of adding an artificial obstacle that would be resolved easily. Felt like time wasted... Apparently, Maeve can teleport too. The whole Church of Collective storyline felt like a waste of time too, although the themes it was trying to explore were appropriate for the overall world-building of the show. Unfortunately, it simply served as a tool for comedy, to make fun of The Deep's dumbass character. It was still a really enjoyable show, though. Had some strong character moments and interesting twists. They still managed to grab my attention and have me excited for the next season.
Exactly. The first season felt so grounded and real, we even got a whole episode where they were figuring out how to kill a supe (Translucent in that regard) without Homelander knowing. The characters made logical choices that fit their mindset and they didnt throw themselves into too risky situations. In season 2, there are too many moments where the boys are about to die and are saved by a video blackmail. If you re going to put your characters into a live or die situation, with a lot of stakes, you need to have a smart way for them to beat those odds. Season 1 did this stuff way better, in season 2 it was often too convenient, especialy when you consider the fact that the boys are fugitives.
@@cardmaster8772 Yep. In the first season you genuinely felt worried for these guys and the tasks they needed to do seemed like real challenges. The fact that the season ended with them being fugitives made it seem like shit was gonna get even more intense in the second season. But no, they actually looked like they had an easier time in Season 2. A lot of the issues just happened to have simple and overly convenient solutions to them... I can brush aside a few conveniences here and there; I get that you're trying to move the story forward. But having too much of them makes it seem lazy and kills any tension....
@TheCoffeeNut711 Yeah, hope they do better for season 3. I heard they're gonna explore the "Herogasm" arc from the comics. That would be a tricky one to do in a more subtle way. In the comics it's so over the top. Hope they handle it well.
What about Deus Ex Maeve in this season (and last episode in particluar)? She just appears where she needs to be in the exact moment to save the day. During the fight with Noir it was not as bad because they were in the Tower, but how did she end up in the forest with Homelander and Butcher? She can't fly like Homelander so did she rent a car? Or a jet? And she does that 2 times in the row in the same episode.
The drinker does a good job of glazing over the fact that homelander rapped Billy butcher's wife and that's why he has a son. Also that The deep forced Starlight into a sex act via blackmail which is disgusting and reprehensible.
Just finished season 2 and you hit the nail on the head. Definitely had "The Message" scattered about way too often. Couldn't help but cringe when the guy shot the convenient store guy cause he watched too much cable "news" and thought he was a sup-terrorist.
it reminds me of deadwood, where they would add a character at the start of the season to kill them off, because they didn't want to harm the main roster. This time we had scientology, and a nazi too scared to say the N word (something the comic did not). Compared to Season 1, this went nowhere, and was very tame.
The one thing I find interesting about this season that I don't think a lot of people bring up is that Stormfront is a hero from Portland and portrayed as as a feminist and anti-corporate, And the second villain of the show is a staunch liberal and is based off of a liberal woman in Congress now. They show almost sells the message that a lot of the people who claim to be part of certain movements are all just self-serving assholes. It's hidden underneath layers of "beat up Nazis" and "xenophobia bad" but I feel like there is almost something interesting that can be pulled from the final villain reveal.
@@totalmetaljacket789 The last estimate I saw from the Southern Poverty Law Center was that there were under 10k white supremacists in the US, including what's left of the KKK and all the neo-Nazi groups. And keep in mind the SPLC's whole business model is "America So Racist, Send Us Money," so they have little motive to UNDERstate the problem. Under 10k, out of a population of over 330 million people, isn't even one percent of one percent of Americans. And the idea that 1/3 of 1% of 1% of the population, most of whom live in poverty in the middle of nowhere, with no friends in media, culture, or politics, and with very limited ways to even talk to anyone besides each other, constitute "the biggest threat" to our society is laughable bordering on tragic.
i think that's something very much consistent in the show. Stormfront too in the beginning I think pandered more towards the left before her massie turn.
This is an important theme that ran the series, and I think Drinker missed it. It wasn't overly focused on ideolgy. Life ain't that black and white, and I think it did a good job of showing the complexity of people and their motivations.
@@jamesmccallum6770 True, but the "incel neckbeard" guy scene from the beginning of one of the episodes was as awful as it gets in terms of political propaganda. Totally unnecessary.
The Boys season 2 could have been an amazing second season, with about 2-3 episodes of material cut, and everything tightened up. The major plot lines (Stormfront, creepy religion, Homelander parenting, Starlight infiltration, Headpopper) were strong and engaging. There were some absolutely brilliant scenes, bookended by content you could have made a sandwich during, and never noticed you missed the plot point, because it had plot, but no point.
I remember that it was pretty easy to pick out Stormfront pretty early on given that her name is literally "Stormfront" and she has lighting earrings which looked like the s in SS.
@@MegaAndyGG the characters increasingly make poor out of character choices. If you really pay attention, both characters are insanely dumb compared to last season. But the actors are so good that it’s not easily noticed.
@@neilwilson5785 Only 2 male characters are good in the show. There’s a bunch that are just as terrible as the female characters. Don’t blame us, we didn’t write the season.
Him, Edgar and Stomefront really carried it together with making fun off SJW and Nazis (I am gay was freaking hillarious or how Homelander expose Maieve like lesbian) but whole The Boys storyline was clusterf*ck
@@youngyoughurt You misunderstoood me, I hove nothing against LGBT, what I don´t like is forced pandering which is something show definetly make fun off.
If it drags on like how the walking dead does or extends to 8 seasons where the writers "forget" everything then it will forget it's way. About 5 seasons are planned and it should not extend beyond 5. Personally, I would have it at 3-4 max.
Unfortunately there's always a greedy exec that wants to drag a good thing out until it ain't a good thing. Like House reaching season 8. Know when to end it!
Id like it to end at 3 seasons as well but I do think theres much more opportunity for innovation than TWD given that its rooted social satire. It changes with the world. Also Seth Rogan was involved in Preacher (another Ennis-based comic) which ended at 3 seasons, so I trust the execs to stand up for their show when they feel the need to. Not to mention that the new spin off can accommodate for the series ending
Not losing it's way so much as it was trying to flesh out all the characters while still trying to keep the same tone and energy as the first season. There were understandable fluctuations in quality through s2 but the series is still great, I'd just like to see more of the Seven since the whole plot is basically about superheroes and how they'd be in the flawed, prejudiced and morally grey world we actually live in.
You really didn't think Hughie didn't have character growth? His arc was realizing that he can't trust butcher, and needs to stand on his own. It terminates him taking initiative in a situation where he would have been paralyzed with fear and/or helpless last season. And finally at the end he decides he wants to move on from the Boys, because he's gained the confidence to get away from Butcher.
@Space Roamer thats because the whole character is useless. think about it. the whole plot could work the same without hughie around to talk to people and react to stuff happening. he's just a standin for the male viewer.
The most unbelievable part of season 2 for me was when starlight brought compound V to the mainstream press and they actually exposed the multi billion dollar corporation. That one really shattered my suspension of disbelief.
The most unbelievable part for me is that Stormfront using social media made the stigma for Homelander killing someone go away. Celebrities and politicians in real life have had their reputations permanently damaged by rumors. Unless he has an ally with mind control powers there is no way the damage he took would go away.
I had hoped that this review was unnecessarily cynical and some of these things were coincidental and self-referencial, but after seeing the first few episodes of season 3 I think, this was a lot more accurate than I had hoped it would be.
Homelander and bonding with his son, as well as the problems between them like Homelander coming to realize that his son isn’t him and his son warming up to him some were the highlight of the season in my opinion. I wish it was more of the focus this season, since Anthony played an amazing role as a narcissistic father somewhat realizing that his son shouldn’t have to have a traumatic past like him. I feel like every other character this season was just... meh. Not terrible, but just average. To me, the Boys characters in general felt off, like they weren’t the same people from season 1.
The show really went downhill imo. Unimportant characters are disposed of in a matter of milliseconds for gory bullshit , while characters that the writers decided are important are kept in , while they should've faced the same faith. It makes my blood boil how characters like A-train and Lamplighter are not killed on the spot by the people who hate their guts.. You mean to tell me that Starlight (a sweet girl that wants to save people) kills a normal guy , who thought was just being scammed makes sense ,while M.M. And Frenchie (two homicidal professionals, who hate this guy) let Lamplighter live long enough to redeem himself.. Same with Hughie , in s1 he kills Translucent and even tells M.M. it felt good , later on he spares A-train TWICE ,before he is even redeemed at all. How does that make any sense at all?
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Butcher's wife wasn't murdered by Homelander
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Me: Will see you on *EFAP* ..?
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Don't be sulkin' about like some poncy eyeline-wearin' emo t.wat.
The all female beat down was leagues better than the horrendous all female fight scene in endgame....
I dunno, it just didn't feel satisfying watching it.
Like, none of them could really kill each other, or incapacitate each other, so where's the danger? The best they could do was kick Stormfront a few times, knowing full well that she could escape whenever she wanted to.
Though, personally, I kind of found the Maeve confronting Homelander to be the stupidest moment. Why didn't Homelander just use his laser eyes on the phone to destroy it?
@@qty1315 i would guess homelander just assumes there is more then one recording so if destroys that one and kill maeve elaina will release another copy
@@qty1315 Yeah it really felt tacked on and the Maeve confronting homelander thing? Like after all the shit HL did to try to get his son back, he could have killed maeve and butcher, destroyed the phone and then go to find Elaina, he literally could have done anything, instead he does nothing because this entire season was "blackmail the plot device".
@Domagoj Čović At this point that kind of thing is implied. Someone making a threat like that would know to have a backup just in case.
My biggest problem with that scene is that Maeve came out from nowhere
She didn't know where they were, and didn't arrive with a car or helicopter. She basically just happened to go exactly where all the characters were on foot
The guy who plays Homelander is perfect.
Have you seen him in Banshee? He was pretty cool in that show too.
He looks like a cross between Jason Bateman and Bradley Cooper.
@@evan9180 holy shit that is SPOT ON! 🤣
Whole cast is pretty effing good, IMO
Truly a starr
That moment when Queen Maeve, Starlight, and Kimiko beat the shit out of Stormfront is kind of purposefully in your face. It is meant to parody those girl power moments they never get right in superhero cinema. Hell, they even have Frenchy say the "Girls get it done." line from that cringey ad the one lady had made earlier in the show. At least that's how I interpreted it.
Agreed. I liked it.
Maeve saving the day out of nowhere was really weird (how did she know where they were located? It's not like she could fly and locate them easily either), but the parody on girl power moments is amusing, though probably people who didn't like the scene are too put off by girl power moments that even parodies of it makes them cringe. Oh well, it's nice to have women front and center for a change because the default for superhero movies have always been men.
It was making fun of it with the movie set shit and the #girlscandoit thing
And then they just did it themselves
It felt really dumb
It's like the ads is the foreshadowing for the Season Finale.
@@Sofiaode18 agreed. Although Maeve saving the day, was not really out of hoe where. It was hinted at and build up through out the season that Maeve would step up and help starlight, starlight even came to her just before to ask for help. And then when Stormfront was exposed that was the final straw and she stepped up. Also her knowing where they are makes sense, as basically every supe has that build in gps tracker. So if you pick up on every hint in the season, it is anything but out of nowhere. Only potential plot hole is how she got there so fast. Maybe she has a jet like wonder woman, although i do not think this is the case. She probably has the same thing as black noir, where she is basically faster than a car and that is how she got there so fast
I'm a little late, but the trio beating down Stormfront made total sense. They were the only ones who could fight her because they were the only ones with superpowers.
First of all, Nah. The boys had a plan and devices to render Stormfront's powers useless. And apperantly in the comics, They just do that.
A lot of things have been changed in the show. Including the gender of the stormfront.
@@Kronosfobi They did have devices to defeat Stormfront... until she blew them up. I don't think anybody's too upset about the gender swap, the character in the comics was pretty bland and forgettable. Switching it up allowed for more originality and added layers to the Homelander relationship that they couldn't do in the comics (unless they were both gay). There aren't too many comic book adaptions that are 100% faithful to the source material anyways. Sorry for the paragraph, hehe. Cheers.
@@ogreface8 You got me wrong. Im 100% on board with the new Stormfront.
Im not trying to argue comics is better because I only know that the Boys managed to beat the Stormfront in the comics, I didnt read them.
I enjoy the show as it is (with the minor problem of character arcs the drinker mentioned on the video but eh, can be tolerated.)
Cheers :)
@@Kronosfobi
Huh. I respect your sense of respect.
I haven’t seen anyone get butthurt about Stormfronts gender swap. And if there are, they’re silly and need to go find something worth bitching about.
@@ogreface8 there’s no stormfront in the comics. Only Nazi static electrical door mat
Stupidest part for me was when frenchie shouted “quick we need to get the rocket launcher in the car” like maybe don’t say that in front of storefront or else she would immediately blow it up like she did.
I never know if I should cringe at those or appreciate them as "comic adaptation" jokes.
Yea that was pretty dumb.
Yep. Or even don't leave it in the car in a combat situation
THE PLOT DEMANDED IT!
That is how one acts during combat
I thought the female beat down was a parody of endgame.
I thought it was mocking the girl power thing they did in a earlier eppisode
it is, the writers confirmed it
@@bronsonmacleod8533 no shit
How is doing a similar thing an effective parody?
Except better
The Homelander is so well presented in this show that he actually terrifies me whenever he's on screen. (Apart from the fact he can be tamed by a simple blackmail.) And I really hope they don't mess him up.
He’s tamed by it because he needs people to love him anything that jeopardizes that is a huge threat to him. He’s a big manbaby
I guess character archs arent your favorite thing either.
@@tyhussein you didn’t contribute anything to the conversation.
@@777heartsdesire I’m responding to OP, not you. Idk what you mean.
That’s where I have high hopes for season 3. Once he loses his need to be loved by everyone (if he does) then blackmail won’t stop him from literally doing anything he wants.
I like the on-running joke that whatever sea creature the deep talks to they almost immediately die in the next scene. I was wondering how they were gonna kill the whale when it first appeared and I was laughing my ass off when it died
Lmao I never noticed that but it continues in season 3 lmao
Wow i did not realise that. Good one. Everytime the deaths get more sadistic
@@Merces69 and he probably fucked all of those animals too 💀
and also there almost always something sexual with them too
I actually really hated this. After the third or fourth time it happened, it became clear that we were not supposed to take any of the deep's psychological trauma seriously, which left a really bitter taste in my mouth. I heard it got worse in the later seasons and decided the show wasn't worth watching anymore partly because of that.
I think the main problem with the show is that they're kinda getting into a corner, because in the comic the boys had a way to actually fight, and kill, the supes, meanwhile in the show they kill translucent early, and then... nobody, for a long time.
I mean shit, Butcher's name was so fitting because that was also what he did - he had zero mercy for anyone superhuman.
They did kill some in the mental institution tho and that dude with telepathy
@@rapidvetD You mean telekinesis. The one that flipped the van over, right.
Funny thing is, there was that chick that escaped the institution that hitchhikes at the end, with the shaved head, that basically has the same power as Victoria Neuman.
But we never saw her again.
@@nlawson2004 no i meant the dude that played the kid in the sixth sense died too. He ratted the boys to homelander then billy went and bashed the dude's face on a public sink. And yeah there was that dude that flipped the van over and injured hughie
@@rapidvetD Oh you’re referencing season 1?
The _I see dead people_ kid was in The Boys?
Completely drawing a blank.
Gotta look that up.
@@rapidvetD Oh yeah, that’s crazy.
Just googled it.
Don’t remember that brutal scene though, but I believe it.
I'm just mad that Starlight, who's ONLY power is absorbing and using energy, got hit and damaged by Stormfront's plasma blasts. Like come on, I was waiting a whole season for Stormfront to accidently supercharge Starlight much like Thor did to Ironman in the first Avengers.... I mean like that is her ONLY ability... "absorbs energy"... Are her powers actually useless just like Butcher said? lol
She can only absorb electricity and storefront uses Palma it’s kinda dumb but oh well.
@@kohth5027 True, but much like a Tesla coil, her plasma is just electromagnetic energy ionizing the air around it. Basically she just makes thunderbolts when she flies. It's just electricity. But ya, oh well.. I didn't know why I expected more. They cheaped out her power's special effect into a screen flash "whiteout" effect both seasons. XD
I thought the same thing. I wondered if they didn't do it because of that scene in the Avengers.
Thought the same thing. I was like 'wait, shouldn't Starlight just soak that up and hit her back twice as hard?' Like Bishop from Xmen.
This also kind of blew my mind, as well. I assumed Starlight being around was going to be a literal hard-counter to Stormfront's bullshit, but the fact that she wasn't even remotely close to that bugged the hell out of me.
This show has more balls then a formulaic Marvel/DC movie ever could have
1. It's than not then.
2. This show is just blatantly ripping off the Justice league.
go do some research and take an English lesson, kid.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 Kid? I’m probably older than you😂😂
Good job you can spot a spelling error, you must be so smart. The fact that you named yourself a DC name says all I need to know.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 did ya know the writer of the comic book hated superheroes. He intentionally ripped off every popular superhero, gave them shit names and personalities. Cause he's tired of superheroes. The series changed many things and made it much better, tho ig someone like you who only consumes product wouldn't understand.
@@Hurrishane03 Yeah. I'm definitely smarter than you. I can spell basic words correctly.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 omg, didn’t know people could tell whether you are intelligent based on a grammatical mistake made on the internet!
Them crashing into the whale was the most hilarious thing I've seen in years. The look and reaction of the deep during it was the cherry on top.
The level the plot armor the human characters have is absolutely ridiculous
They made the power levels too contrasting imo
Now that the superpowers are artificial they wrote themselves around that. Anyone can get them! Sounds awful imo.
@@DiggitySlice An in-between for how the show is doing it, compared to how the comics did it, would have been nice. In the comics the boys were all V'd up and could fight almost all the supes, which was a bit OP, but having none of them use it in the show makes the entire thing even more unrealistic. I'd like to actually see fights scenes between the main characters, but since the supes could kill them with a pinky, that's never gonna happen lol.
@@mikeskinner315 But that would just make it another X-Men.
@@patwest1815 not necessarily, it didn't give any of them actual super powers, they were just strong enough to deal with the lower level supes. They still couldn't handle the actual seven and that's where all the blackmail and whatnot comes in.
Forgot about how the Lamplighter storyline was getting interesting... And then he... Kills himself?
Exactly.
yeah that part was rushed
He quickly became my favorite hero and idk why, he just seemed like a real character instead of "good or bad". They handled that story about as well as they handled the entire show this season.
@@williampoole1742 yeah but he could have atlleast got more episodes
He would've been killed in the court scene if not then
Season 4 makes Season 2 look like an unbiased satirical masterpiece
The all female fight at the end doesn’t seem forced at all, they built the characters properly not around their gender or their ideology but on their actual development and the payoff made me audibly excited
Exactly. Starlight, kimiko and Maeve all had legit beef with stormfront so it didn't feel forced at all. Kimiko's whole arc that season was the trauma of losing her brother and being scared of stormfront
@@hez859 I do wish we could’ve seen more between Kimiko and Stormfront for that very reason. Felt like it was cut short after an entire season of wanting to watch Kimiko beat her ass lol.
This guy doesn't know to enjoy anything.Hes just searching for "wokeness" and "preaching" in every other thing.
Well it's the Picky Alcohol Consumer. Anything where girls are more than titular macguffin for male protag to save their ass 24/7. Rami MJ is a prime example. Sure her chemistry with Tobey's Peter Parker was great, but every film she gets kidnapped by the main villain. I like Zendaya's MJ far more than Kristen Dunsts' MJ because she's not only capable of being self-sufficient, but she's also snarky and a smartass. Plus it's not like she's a do-no-wrong woman, she does get in peril during Far From Home's final battle where Mysterio's drones were targeting her, Happy, Flash, and Ned.
Starlight, Queen Mave, and Kimiko are quite exceptional characters in that they're not strong female characters for the sake of feminism empowerment (Unlike Rey or Carol Danvers), they are actually CHARACTERS with flaws of their own.
@@shreeshanthkadam I would say he is just pointing out how invasive it is in modern entertainment.
I did sort of enjoy the anti-marketing going on:
-Nobody drinks Fresca except cult members
-Protagonist hates Almond Joys; later used to nearly kill someone
Black noir did die and they used a shitton of compound V to bring him back. That's why he is a vegetable now.
And?
is Fresca even a real thing? i thiught it was foreshadowing like mind control of the church for the next season
@@KurosakiRuka I admit I suspected the same, however, I uess it was something of a red herring after all (as was the Compound V escapees). But, after ep 7, my money on the head poppers was either the Church or "Not Ocasio-Cortez".
@@KurosakiRuka YES it is (was) a real product back when I was a kid (1970's) like Mr. Pibb (Dr. Pepper clone), RC cola (Coke/Pepsi clone)... Fresca was the (Sprite, 7-Up clone) .. Someone else can chime in... 43 year old memories failing -- Never drank any of them.
Season 1: high audience rating | decent critics rating.
Season 2: high critics rating | decent audience rating.
Hmmmm... where have I seen this before?
Yes, because 80% audience rating is only 'decent'
All you have to do nowadays is insert some woke nonsense/ female empowerment crap to get stellar reviews from most of the critics.
@@omarct and this is exactly why it’s going the wrong way. Get woke go broke.
@@bbrebozo6417 I thought it was super popular despite its woke crap
Once the a certain narrative gets preached, the bad writing gets ignored.
The "girls get it done" scene didn't feel forced to me at all
It made sense since the female characters in the scene were the ones with super powers
It was meant to parody the Endgame female scene. Kind of making fun of it.
It wasn’t forced at all, he’s just a hard right fucker who doesn’t like any female characters
Well surprise surprise the critical drinker is right leaning so he hates everything that has a pinch of being woke lol.
This drinker guy clearly just hates women and everything that doesn’t cater to his political views lol
also i just want to note: i loved that line. not just because its clearly tongue in cheek poke at certain real world tropes, but it also TOTALLY fit the character. Frenchie has always been for lack of a better word a total pussy around women. his character has always been in awe of strong women, its very clearly a defining characteristic of his personality. So when he says that line..it just fits. He totally would say that, not because of some "the message" or whatever, but because that is just how he is. he would think nothing of men doing the same thing, it wouldnt even get him to blink, but any time he is around a strong female he becomes a complete and utter fan boy. and i fucking love that about his character. its refreshingly different.
The "girls get it done" scene came so nautrally and made so much sense compared to something like the "she's got help" scene. I didn't notice at all that it was all girls fighting until Frenchie pointed it out.
Nah it was still cringe and him pointing it out made it even worse
@@haleylogsdon8791lol
I was chill with it until frenchie made the statement. Which sucks because I really like frenchies character shame he was done dirty with a line like that.
@@ladfromearth5791 Stormfront was always the loudest and most obnoxious with the "girls get it done" narrative. The line being used while getting the shit beaten out of her makes it all the more perfect. I see it as frenchie saying it ironically and not because he now somehow came to some realization he hadn't had before - mind you, he knows exactly how well his goth gf gets things done and that he can rely on her when needed.
@@haleylogsdon8791 you litterally can't understand a single layer of irony?
The 'girls really do get it done' scene was taking a shot at Marvel and their female power scene in End Game and how ridiculous it was.
Then I think it did a poor job imo, I didn't know it was a parody and the first time I saw it I thought it was as cringy, if not more, then the scene in endgame. Due to how on the nose it is.
I wouldn't say the scene in avengers was ridiculous exactly. At most it brutally threw me out of the movie for a few seconds xD. But yeah. The scene from the boys was awesome!
Even if its not mocking at least in this context it makes sence since only girls there were supes, unlike in Endgame where I just tought "How the fuck did they coordinate that on the fucking battlefield"
@@ZeRafut It didn't do a poor job, at all. Sorry, but your opinion fucking sucks. It was mocking the "girls get it done" theme it had previously set up earlier in the show around episode 4 or something. And this was a mockery of how third wave feminism and female shows of power has been very unsubtly and sometimes unintelligently injected into modern day cinema. Simultaneously, the scene was also a callback to a scene in the comics where the original Stormfront is beaten down in the exact same way. (Only difference is the genders are all flipped and the characters issuing the beatdown are different.)
*Almost everything in this show is a parody of something. And it certainly isn't the fault of the show that you failed to realise that.*
@@hmm7829 glad you pointed out this was in the comic and is literally how Stormfront dies in it. I saw it as a nice callback to the comic and a jab at Marvel, and I fully agree, it’s not the shows fault some people didn’t get that.
Now to be fair, AOC being a vilain in the end was an unexpected plot twist.
Too bad she's a villain in real life
@VAIBHAV S You can look that up quite easily
@@Bolter024 Come on bud, please explain to me how AOC is worse than MTG or Lauren Boebert. You've drank too much kool-aid...
@@vincenturbina It's called a joke
@@weego2585 Do you really think there's a joke in the sentence "Too bad she's a villain in real life"
I think the show knew what it was doing with the female trio fight scene, it was clear with frenchies insanely cheesy line that the show was both making fun of the stereotype and helping drive the plot as these women have been badly affected by stormfront and also the only people there in the fight range that have powers. Starlight was threatened and silenced by stormfront and exposed her, kumiko had the worst from her as stormfront killed her brother and maeve just hated her guts and felt like SF was fueling homelanders rampage
The Drinker has seen it coming
He sure did! 3 years early!
Season 2 basically boiled down to "I'm blackmailing you so do as I say" - the plot device
"I'm blackmailing you so do what I say."
"Where's your evidence?"
"Just trust me."
"Okay don't kill him."
Yeah I got really annoyed by it tbh. I was really glad when last episode, who was it? District Attorney or Judge or whatever? that Mallory wanted to blackmail was like 'what you have a video of me screwing my maid, please release it, I beg of you!'
@@Ari33sa it was defence secretary
thats exactly as the comics tho
It's like they read the comics, saw how much blackmail there was and thought, "that'll fill an extra hour!"
I can't believe they made Love Sausage such a minor character in the show, feelsbadman.
He is not dead yet. He could become a major charater later in the show.
Eric Kripke has confirmed he’ll be back for season 3, most likely not as a big role though :)
Lmao you wonna see more of that that love sausage? If I was mothers milk I would have shot him after we left 😂
@@matthewwoodcock Oh it's a BIG role. Just maybe not an important one
It does kinda suck the way they put him in.
I'm going to have to disagree about Maeve's arc. She's traumatized, beat down, depressed and still terrified. Her arc is about a survivor who can barely cope, trying to reclaim her dignity by the end of it all, and has some solid celebrity parallels besides. I think that character story was actually quite well handled, though I agree on most other points about the season's failings.
Shes barely hanging on to any reason to care about what is going on
I actually appreciate the Deep’s character… his story arc goes completely differently than the rest of the show… he’s the “Better call Saul” to The Boys’ “Breaking Bad”. It’s small stuff but I enjoy the emotional exploration he goes through and how pathetic he sees himself. It’s so weird and interesting to me.
I feel like this review missed that point. It talks about how the Deep hasn't changed and earned a redemption but I think that was the whole point. It was a satire of celebrities who do terrible things and use religion and pr manipulation to act like they have changed for the better when they haven't changed at all.
I dislike it tbh. The Deep feels less like a character and more like a stand-in for an actual sexual predator that one of the writers wrote into the show to make them suffer incessantly and show them experiencing awful things (like when the girl he invited called him freak, stuck her fingers in his gills and pretty much raped him on screen) as a some sort of fucked up coping mechanism of projecting their own traumatic events onto the screen. It really does feel personal what they're doing with the character and the preachy, heavy handed message of vengefully making the predator suffer is only superficially aligned with the tone of the show, it stands out but not in a good way
@@robertrynard7397 good point, feels like you put into words what I couldn’t articulate regarding Deep’s story.
@@vassalofthenight9945 At first, I thought the scene with Deep being raped on scene would be a way for him to grow as a character as he reflects on what is essentially karma. That whole thing is ignored and the season continues to show that he’s a celebrity who doesn’t change his ways (much like the comment before mentions). If I understand your comment correctly, the implication of Deep’s response to the rape event and the season concluding with Deep not learning a thing are grossly misaligned. So it seems like the rape event is just used for the writers to feel good about themselves and can be taken out if their goal was to show how celebrities never change after scandals they’re involved in.
@@bubblehead4270 I just want to point out after all that you and the other commenter said about him, is that his name is Deep, but he’s a very shallow character/person.
that sick burn on the partially shaved head on women, so true.
@@RichardPhillips1066 also pink hair.
I think they did her hair like that so she looks very different for other roles and in public. being s nazi and all. People are mental and will carry her role with her person.
@Nick Smith I get what you mean, but making Portland's own hero a secret nazi has to count for something.
It's the modern mullet.
it because she's a nazi. She has to show at least a bit of partially shaved hair. Not me, Nazi rules.
If you think about it though, The Deep is the secret hero of the entire season. Without his dumbass, Maeve wouldn’t have been able to save Billy with that crash footage. And A-train wouldn’t have been able to steal the documents on Stormfront. None of the main characters would have been able to really do much without the few little things he unknowingly did for them lol
The deep will be the ultimate redemption arc - you’ll see.
Yeah, but that's not really good storytelling. The Deep didn't do anything important to the rest of the story, he was just doing his own thing. The only reason for us following The Deep is so the people around him could be used to give other characters plot armor.
@@wesdog784 Totally agree. The Deep was pretty much used as a plot device to facilitate easy fixes to neatly tie up the end of the season. And, beyond that, he was pretty much just used for comedy. His story went barely anywhere this season.
@@leonhartdragomir8948 Super curious where they’ll go with him. I can’t even predict what he’s gonna end up doing as be didnt do anything in the books. I’m just glad the actor is funny, otherwise his story really wouldn’t work at all for me
Fuck fresca
This video was ahead of its time. It should’ve aired after Season 4.
No one talks about how Starlight outright murdered a innocent man who pulled a gun in self-defence when he was in the process of being carjacked.
@Winter Green Bruh that was a jab at ANTI- 2a folks. He drew his gun in self-defense, because he was being attacked. Then he was murdered by a "good guy" for having a gun even though it was perfectly justified to draw his firearm in self-defense.
Yea that moment was...bad...it didn't even get brought up again? Like she just accepted it. They murdered him and hijacked his car. I'm all for protagonists put in morally conflicting situations but this didn't feel like that. Just felt clear cut wrong as fuck, especially when she justified it as "all i was thinking was why did you pull out the damn gun???"
??? Because you were fucking mugging him???
Not everything has a deeper political meaning for fucks sake
@@sissyphussartre2907 Wrong
And then she blamed the guy for his own murder. Zero afing responsibility.
I'm pretty sure Reddit thinks Stormfront is a real person.
Left Reddit hopes so as a boogeywoman, Right-reddit as a sexy heroine.
@Robot Rock Aka how I know this show died. It's been taken over, just like every other show.
He used a Nintendo glow when hacking the 2016 elections. -D
Not to mention the people trying to compare her to ordinary people who they call "nazi's." It's annoying because they call anyone who disagrees with their view a Nazi.
Ironically the actress is jewish
Maybe time to revisit this? I can't watch it at normal speed anymore. The good parts don't survive the sleaze, grossness, and messaging.
The all females beat down was funny and on purposely in the face, with Ashley saying “girls get it done” earlier in the season, and the show already calling the media out and making fun of it. I found it really funny
FFS, her name was literally "Storm Front." It couldn't have been more obvious.
In hindsight it should have been kinda obvious...
The Boys was never very subtle. Still, I kinda thought they wouldn't do the Nazi thing, because like, Nazis are kind of stale at this point. What can you do with Nazis that hasn't been done at this point?
It made me like her more. Message failed.
@National Socialism is the answer are you actually making an arguement for nazis?
No one ever gets sick of seeing nazis get blown up. Plus it was a jab at "alpha male" Incel online culture.
Drinker: "I'm going to avoid spoilers"
Also Drinker: "Storm Front is the first super jerk and also a Nazi and also hooks up with Homelander""
Tbh it's hard to discuss season 2 without bringing up the 'muh evil nazis' crap since most of the season focuses on it.
It's okay; the show is predictable garbage, anyway.
@@spinb if the boys is that for you.. I strongly advise you to resign from watching movies and series in total.
Yeah he he kind of shit all over that one, didn't he? But hey, he DID warn there WOULD be spoilers
The "Not Nazis" sure do get butthurt when people dig on Nazis LoL. I liked how Stormfront put it, something like "they loved WHAT I was saying, they just dont like the word Nazi".
Considering the reveal at the end of the last episode of who the ultra woke congresswoman really is, I don't think your assessment regarding messaging over story is entirely fair
I hope they don't blow it. Having the AOC character support big corporations while preaching socialism is an awesome jab. I swear, if she turns out to be a Nazi I'll lose it
@@sivad1025 pretending to be for the working class while conspiring with big business is something the nazis definitely did
I dont think you got the "girls get it done". I saw it as mocking marvel's version and pointing out how ridiculous it was
Let's be honest. CD doesn't get much...
Thought the middle was a bore, thought it had lost its edge. Brought it back near the end, but next series needs a bit more focus and the stuff we loved about series 1. Homelander was fucking brilliant though.
The hanging middle could've been glanced over had they released the show all at once or in the packs of 2-3 episodes.
With Seth Rogen and all his far leftist friends at the helm of production I doubt the show will be getting any better
@@DzinkyDzink Agreed, that story went nowhere and din't need 3 episodes. I wanted more super villains too.
@@jonbaxter2254 Actually that could be a good idea for the 3rd season. Introduce a group of people that are neither Vaught nor Boys and a genuine threat to both.
I thought the first season was a bit one-note anyway. Once I'd seen a few episodes I found I'd seen them all and so I found it a chore to watch the whole season.
This season suffers from the same problem many TV Shows do. They have about 3 hours of story but they stretch it out into 10 hours.
yep. that's exactly precisely right. this is why I don't watch shows at all. it's just ridiculous. They adapt things and are so creative in first season. 3 episodes in season 1 feels like 10 already and they keep on delivering same pace till the bitter end. 4 episodes onto season 2 and I'm thinking why the hell am I still watching it. They do the same thing with Ray Donovan. 1 and 2 are awesome. Than they just keep stretching it and stretching it. Nobody ever dies. Same characters being squeezed like that's just gonna work and automatically make a good story.
Exactly why I don't usually watch TV shows. It's all padded out. That's exactly what happened here, so much needless "drama" just to drag out the playtime, between real plot elements. Not watching season 3, have lost all interest in the show after this season.
@@nathanluz1218 that might be true for shows with hour long episodes, but the ones with episodes that are 20 minutes are usually a lot more fast paced with a tighter narrative. see bojack horseman
Yea, you should stop watching it Then
Or the season 2 syndrome
The short answer to your question is FUCK NO!
Thing that anoyed me the most about this season was that most of the conficts were resolved with blackmails, which didn't make any sense
Homelander's arc in S2 is great. After killing Stillwell, you get the impression he can do whatever he wants now and he doesn't need anyone. But reality sets in and he actually can't. After facing Stan Edgar and his public image crisis - he learns that he's actually quite needy of being worshiped by the public and doesn't actually have any control over Vought. His whole schtick seems to be about him trying to control everything and failing at it, not a type of arc we see often in villains.
On the note with Hughie, the first season was very centered around him, it's understandable why they want to spend the second one on other characters lives, this time mostly focusing on Billy and Homelander - we got to see their similarities, parallels but also what sets them apart ultimately.
In fact I thought Hughie was super realistic in the first season, I couldn't relate to any other character quite like him.
The worst part is the SJW bullshit arround Stormfront, it's so obvious Trump card.
In my humble opinion, I think each character has a significant or minor role to play in this house of cards. Remove one and the whole thing comes crashing down....Okay, that might be a bit of a hyperbolic anology, but you get the point. Without Kimiko, Frenchie, Mother's Milk, Hughie, Butcher, the entirety of The Seven, etc, there'd be something missing; a piece of the puzzle that completes the image.
@@stevem2323 Honestly, I felt the beat-down was well-deserved and properly built up. Not only do Starlight, Maeve, and Kimiko all have a clear reason for wanting to beat the crap out of Stormfront, if she'd been allowed to raise Ryan with Homelander..... Bye-bye, Kansas. Say what you want about making her a Nazi, but it wasn't forced in our faces. So, I see no problem with that, especially since the reason behind Stormfront's existence makes sense within the context of the lore.
@@truecaliber1995 It's typical SJW brainwashing and in your face idiotic pampering.
It took me several episodes to realize Antony Starr was the actor who played the lead in Banshee. He embodies Homelander so well that I didn’t recognize him. Great actor.
Same here!
Damn
I loved Banshee and I didn't even recognize him. F me, I'm getting old. Thanks for looking out yo!
I remember watching banshee and thinking he’d make a good wolverine but I prefer the boys to marvel and dc
Shit i thought i saw him somewhere. The new hair changed his face.
Ps: he is probably sad he can't fuck two girls per episode like he did in banshee. Lol
Came here to make a judgement call on whether to give season 3 a go. After reading many comments, I was thinking about sticking it on but then I read a comment that Seth Rogan was involved in this, I think I'll give it a miss.
Give it a go, Seth Rogan is actually only involved in one 13 minute long episode, which also isn't relevant to the plot of the show since it's an animated episode. Season 3 still is very good, especially compared to all the other woke stuff around.
Give it a go for real its really good and way better than season two
I’m here in 2024 after season 4 and yeah, It lost its way.
A-Train still has his heart problems, they're definitely not gone.
Plus... does he have a brother? Where is he?
Does he? I thought he told Starlight he was better when she told him he couldn't be running around town with his heart problems.
@@wesdog784 Why would he tell her he's sick?
I thought the cult leader guy was able to fix him somehow but they deleted that scene or something..
@@SpeedOfThought1111 Or it never existed.
Good thing homelander is the strongest man on the planet; because he's holding up the series by himself.
he also holds up the Banshee series quite well if anyone hasn't seen it yet
They should've called him "Atlas".
That actor was the only one who wasn't cringe on the after show interviews.
@Cure4Living Seriously, he ruthlessly murdered his handler and spared Butcher just to show him the horrible truth. You'd think his "family" would be his main focus, but he focuses more on restoring the status quo despite season one. He needed Stormfront to manipulate him into making moves.
@@silverblade357 Family is his new focus. The problem is he is so very bad at it. HL tried to build a relationship with his son and screwed that up. Then Stormfront prods him to try again, and Stormfront helps him totally screw up whatever chance he once had with his son. HL falls back on obsessing on his public life because that is the only kind of success he knows. HL is left with status quo because he is a complete failure this season. It is not exactly neat and tidy, but HL's arc is half the season IMO.
Well, season 3 is now over, and was preachier than a very special episode of Glee. Time to take back that recommendation !
Hope we see Drinkers opinion on season 3. After season 1 things started to appeared to be far more poorly written than season 1. Season 3 seems to be similar to season 2 in its approach towards storytelling and adapting from the comics.
The more I read the comics, the more I think why the hell would you opt for anything other than the original source material.
I have a strong feeling that Mr Hurr Hurr Weed Lmao has far more of an influence since season 2, hence the decline in quality across the board. At times season 3 feels like it’s written by a child, or more likely purely for Seth’s cameo, which does depict him correctly as a disgusting wanker.
Season 3 was sick. They made you like SB only to show more of him and then change your perspective on his team and the Noir twist was way better than "im a cannibal to make homelander look crazier than he is" the comic books are pretty garbage a part from the first few issues. Think the show is a vast improvement
@@hez859 if you liked SB at any point that's pretty sad. It upped the ante on political leaning and got annoying at points with it, if A-Train ran through racist dude scene 2 I'd been clapping, but gotta extent that woke. Way, way too often it was fuck Trump supporters which is like.. okay, didn't we get enough of that for 4yrs? Be more creative and get away from heavy handedness on politics.
But then again anyone who calls a comic/ book trash compared to the show/ movie is clearly not good at judging. MM was my favorite character and this did his character dirty.. shit has slowly become THE MESSAGE rather than good writing/ story telling. Sucks, i wanted more of the same at minimum but shit been a decline after season 1
@@hez859 the twist wasn’t the Noir is darker cause he eats babies. The twist was that Noir was a clone and that Noir is the one who actually made the footage. Meaning Homelander goes off the deep end, not because of himself, he gets framed. If you took the baby eating as the twist then you weren’t paying attention.
I had a good laugh at teleporting Queen Maeve in the final episode of season 2 lmao
Woman power. Now with teleportation.
Considering she has super strength her legs would be pretty strong, so she most likely jumped there
@@lickitysplit9019 and how did her legs know where to find Homelander and the rest of them? Why save Butcher? This whole season's plot is thin
@@N0rt3x Well we can only theorize as the show hasn't explained it (mainly because it doesn't matter and is not important) but she most likely followed stormfront (we saw she was pissed at her when she saw her in the tower) there and found butcher by asking everyone that was left behind.
@@N0rt3x maybe read the comics the book is based off of and learn that queen Maeve has heavy attachment to “the legend” ... who knows about all the supes weakness and locations 24/7
I think having Homelander act almost human towards his son gave some levity to what was a so-so story overall. It was sad to see him almost find his humanity only to lose it irrevocably
Every time he makes some progress something happens that makes him even worse
We need a refreshed version of this starting with "I told you so".
Plenty of new material to make fun of.
You are going to have to retract your drinker recommends after season 3.
Uh.. you can make Homelander do anything with blackmail.
Blackmail is the deus ex machina in both seasons.
They should all fear the day when Homelander becomes immune to blackmail because he, simply, does not care any more. Then he would be free to express all his sociopathic urges and become the dictator of somewhere. Really, the only thing holding him back is a misguided sense of trying to keep up appearances to maintain his lavish lifestyle. If he ever figures out that he can become Kim Jong Un, what is to stop him? maybe a nuke?
@@chuckhoyle1211 Maybe the translucent treatment?
You have to be careful with making a villain all powerful because your write yourself into a corner like this. Although I like overpowered villains if I'm feeling the villain is more compelling.
@@fran3ro the only reason that worked on translucent was his vulnerability to electricity, it would take some other deus ex makina to work, I'm not sure exactly what it would end up being though.
I kinda felt that way too. More blackmail in the boys than an IR gang bang
I disagree about Hughie. He definitely wasn’t as critical as last time, but he is responsible for a good deal of the Boys’ success this season. His decision to save A-Train results in their ultimate victory, his plotting with Starlight causes Vought to go into damage control, he was the reason Annie escaped and so on.
and not only that. the thing with girls get it done was clearly a parody of the avengers scene when it was truly forced. I think you if you go too political, you tend to make it all about politics
@mrs0019 That’s the point really. He’s taking initiative and sometimes it works but since he’s a novice he doesn’t know what he’s talking about and it shows. It’s why his final decision makes so much sense for his character
Hughie Was the MVP for me.
I think there are two major problems with him. First, you cannot absolutly relate to him. Normaly when you have week protagonist he/she is at least brave, Hughie acts like his only motivation is that he wants to have sex with Starlight. There is nothing else in him anymore. The scene when I think most of us lost respect towards him was him inside that fish. He was such a drama queen there. It makes no sens. It showed that he is too weak to acomplish things that he is accomplish therefor it is hard to believe he is a real person and that is my second problem with him. His actions are not the actions of someone like him. Sorry for bad english.
and he never, even in the first season, struck me as ”cowardly”
11:38 nah that shit was kinda awesome and way better than the all female fight scene in Endgame
Well if he was on the line with S2, The Drinker likely will retract the recommendation with S3. Not that it was terrible but it still suffers from the same ailments increasingly becoming an issue. And it has set up S4 for ruination
I like how they showed you don't become a Nazi after one Alex Jones broadcast. It takes SEVERAL broadcasts, over a week or more.
lol, indeed. And you need to basically be a soy boy to become one..
@Erratum and that's your take from a literal Nazi character?
@Erratum yes, because the show criticised economic and small government policies relating to right wing parties...wait no it didn't
@Wignat Fedposter funny, you said this is to an non-american on a channel run by a Scot, both of which have universal healthcare.
@Wignat Fedposter wow, an unironic user of the term NPC. I'm sure you're really smart.
The original comics creator Garth Ennis is not listed as a producer for season 2. Now it’s all Hollywood types. Hence more wokeness and less character depth. It can only go downhill from here.
I am not liking how the story is straying from the original.
That's a shame. If it's anything like GoT it will go downhill very quickly once the creator has jumped ship.
Sad
@@davethepieman12 That’s a great point. Makes me wonder if there was a falling out between the original creator and Seth Rogen et al just like there was between Dumb and Dumber and GRR Martin?
I don't think Garth Ennis had hardly anything to do with the depth of the characters. The original comic is so far from the television show, that I don't really feel like any of the interesting character stuff had anything to do with him. The comic characters are generally not very deep, and the show has done a much better job of making them interesting. The comic focused on just killing a whole bunch of stand ins for real comic groups, and even the 7 were hardly touched. It makes me feel like you haven't looked into the comic series at all if you think Garth fuckin Ennis was the reason the first season was so good.
11:30 that scene was a literal parody of endgame's wahmen teamup tho (u can check interviews about it)
8:07
Actually, when you think about it, Homelander is Titan in Megamind. Both receiving superpowers due to a scientific chemical, feeling a big sense of entitlement for love and attention they believe they deserve, just because they're powerful enough to get away with anything they want. If fact, both are best described with this quote:
"All your gifts, all your powers, and you squander them for your own personal gain?"
I like how they said "girls do get it done" however a young boy has to finish the job lol
But they still beat her and her running?
Right. It was the male gender character(lol at that phrasing) who actually defeated her.
@@connorhutchinson9615 Why didn't she fry them all with her lightning power? There is nothing stopping her from just zapping all of them to death (especially since Starlight's too dumb to use her absorption powers against Stormfront) yet she just lets them beat the crap out of her.
Kinda ruins the tension when characters are made stupid to force the story into a certain direction.
@@lordofthepizzapie9319 Because these sjw writers and producers don't REALLY care about women's rights the same way they don't REALLY care about racism...and are actually guilty of both. Pure hypocrisy.
@@lordofthepizzapie9319 She was using the powers but she was getting beat the fuck down at the end
the huey of the first season would never take a emotional unstable guy and go head on in vought to save someone.maybe he didn't evolve that much as a character but he has changed for sure . Also i would get the ''cringy'' scene where all girls are hitting stormfront any day compered to scenes like female group shot in avengers endgame.
I agree and I like the humor and gruesome scenes they added into it... way better done than marvel did it.
It was sorta a rederence to the comics where they kill sturmfront that way.
eh, that was the worse scene in the history of the cinematography. It totally destroyed Marvel movies for me. It was so fake. And Gwineth Patrow suddenly is an Ironman, because I guess anyone can be Ironman. I hope one day they will teach people about how stupid people become in 21c.
When i watched that episode i immediately remembered the ''girl power'' scene from endgame. For me, it wasn't as cringy as the endgame scene, but still was. So i hope that doesn't happen again next season.
@@kboid5919 We have always been stupid, it just became more apparent nowadays. Besides, criticizing Marvel movies isn't the best way to show the degradation of humanity. They're harmless pieces of art, nothing more.
Oh man! The "message" is even louder in the third season. I have a feeling the "recommends" retraction is coming real soon.
He warned us..
The cheap shock value is getting stale. Especially in s4. The show runner is using the show to hamfist his own political opinions down your throat. Good thing this show has Homelander Butcher and Ryan. Without them this show would be trash😤😤
Yah know what I enjoy most about The Boys? It doesn't drag its feet. It doesn't take an entire season to reveal Compound V, 2 episodes & bam, done, the World knows & voilá the World doesn't care.
Never know what each episode brings
There were so many conveniences in this season as well. They would often present obstacles to heighten the stakes, only to have it solved rather easily by something convenient or blackmail. And I believe blackmail was so overly used this season. The cycle of "obstacle solved by blackmail" even got predictable and boring. Would have preferred to have the issues resolved on the first try instead of adding an artificial obstacle that would be resolved easily. Felt like time wasted... Apparently, Maeve can teleport too.
The whole Church of Collective storyline felt like a waste of time too, although the themes it was trying to explore were appropriate for the overall world-building of the show. Unfortunately, it simply served as a tool for comedy, to make fun of The Deep's dumbass character.
It was still a really enjoyable show, though. Had some strong character moments and interesting twists. They still managed to grab my attention and have me excited for the next season.
Exactly. The first season felt so grounded and real, we even got a whole episode where they were figuring out how to kill a supe (Translucent in that regard) without Homelander knowing. The characters made logical choices that fit their mindset and they didnt throw themselves into too risky situations. In season 2, there are too many moments where the boys are about to die and are saved by a video blackmail. If you re going to put your characters into a live or die situation, with a lot of stakes, you need to have a smart way for them to beat those odds. Season 1 did this stuff way better, in season 2 it was often too convenient, especialy when you consider the fact that the boys are fugitives.
I like your summary
@@cardmaster8772 Yep. In the first season you genuinely felt worried for these guys and the tasks they needed to do seemed like real challenges. The fact that the season ended with them being fugitives made it seem like shit was gonna get even more intense in the second season.
But no, they actually looked like they had an easier time in Season 2. A lot of the issues just happened to have simple and overly convenient solutions to them... I can brush aside a few conveniences here and there; I get that you're trying to move the story forward. But having too much of them makes it seem lazy and kills any tension....
@TheCoffeeNut711 Yeah, hope they do better for season 3.
I heard they're gonna explore the "Herogasm" arc from the comics. That would be a tricky one to do in a more subtle way. In the comics it's so over the top. Hope they handle it well.
What about Deus Ex Maeve in this season (and last episode in particluar)? She just appears where she needs to be in the exact moment to save the day. During the fight with Noir it was not as bad because they were in the Tower, but how did she end up in the forest with Homelander and Butcher? She can't fly like Homelander so did she rent a car? Or a jet? And she does that 2 times in the row in the same episode.
Their mistake was making Stormfront by far the most sympathetic character.
The drinker does a good job of glazing over the fact that homelander rapped Billy butcher's wife and that's why he has a son. Also that The deep forced Starlight into a sex act via blackmail which is disgusting and reprehensible.
I still can't believe they made Butcher utter the phrase "my wife's son" unironically.
But......that's what he is.
@Thru-VIKING Hahahahaha holy shit. It's funny how you immiedtatly turn into a stupid little girl when ever someone calls you out.
@Thru-VIKING Awww did she dump you for the better man?
@Thru-VIKING You must be trolling? you can't be this easy to make fun of.
This comment section is fucking hilarious.
Glad I'm not the only one who hates the half shaved head
You said it.
I hate hate HATE that hairstyle!
It's like, look at my nice long hair...and over here, it looks like my 4 year old niece experimented with a razor while I was sleeping...🙃
It's so dumb. Just like manbuns.
They do make a good "Do not associate with this person" sign though.
Just finished season 2 and you hit the nail on the head. Definitely had "The Message" scattered about way too often. Couldn't help but cringe when the guy shot the convenient store guy cause he watched too much cable "news" and thought he was a sup-terrorist.
I liked both seasons and am waiting to see what happens for season 3.
Seth Rogen is involved, it’ll be unwatchable by season four. Mark my words.
marked
It was getting close this year; the ending redeemed it a bit but it was a whole season of meh.
It's already there
Hello incels!!! XD
@@trauko1388 hi dad
it reminds me of deadwood, where they would add a character at the start of the season to kill them off, because they didn't want to harm the main roster. This time we had scientology, and a nazi too scared to say the N word (something the comic did not). Compared to Season 1, this went nowhere, and was very tame.
They had no problem with gratuitous white male bashing only eclipsed by their hate boner for fathers especially when white
@@NoOne-uh9vu race has got nothing to do iwth this
@@midwings00 Ahahaha
@@midwings00 The show runner said and I quote "white people are the most dangerous". So it does have nothing to do with race huh?
@@midwings00 th-cam.com/video/CYQUUQPcgWs/w-d-xo.html
how did you not like the "girls get it done" scene? XD
i thought it was hilarious as they're all kicking the s%%t out of stormfront and swearing XD
How dare they kick a n azi how woke would that be..
Also an honorable mention to the actress that plays Becca. Her emotion and despair was portrayed so heartwrenchingly good, mad probz.
Yeah she's underrated, honestly I thought the Becca/butcher storyline would get more hype than it did. For me, it was one of the best parts of S2.
The one thing I find interesting about this season that I don't think a lot of people bring up is that Stormfront is a hero from Portland and portrayed as as a feminist and anti-corporate, And the second villain of the show is a staunch liberal and is based off of a liberal woman in Congress now. They show almost sells the message that a lot of the people who claim to be part of certain movements are all just self-serving assholes. It's hidden underneath layers of "beat up Nazis" and "xenophobia bad" but I feel like there is almost something interesting that can be pulled from the final villain reveal.
@Wignat Fedposter He's only slightly exaggerating, statistically.
@@totalmetaljacket789 *Cough*FBI crime statistics*Cough*
@@MachineMan-mj4gj So you agree?
@@Nevets_2770 It's actually worse. Try 6/55.
@@totalmetaljacket789 The last estimate I saw from the Southern Poverty Law Center was that there were under 10k white supremacists in the US, including what's left of the KKK and all the neo-Nazi groups. And keep in mind the SPLC's whole business model is "America So Racist, Send Us Money," so they have little motive to UNDERstate the problem.
Under 10k, out of a population of over 330 million people, isn't even one percent of one percent of Americans. And the idea that 1/3 of 1% of 1% of the population, most of whom live in poverty in the middle of nowhere, with no friends in media, culture, or politics, and with very limited ways to even talk to anyone besides each other, constitute "the biggest threat" to our society is laughable bordering on tragic.
Well, a somewhat redeeming factor that the Drinker missed is the fact that the "Alexandria Occasio-Cortez" character also turned out to be evil...ish.
I'd say the Drinker was trying to avoid spoilers and he did a pretty neat job of that.
i think that's something very much consistent in the show. Stormfront too in the beginning I think pandered more towards the left before her massie turn.
This is an important theme that ran the series, and I think Drinker missed it. It wasn't overly focused on ideolgy. Life ain't that black and white, and I think it did a good job of showing the complexity of people and their motivations.
@@jamesmccallum6770 True, but the "incel neckbeard" guy scene from the beginning of one of the episodes was as awful as it gets in terms of political propaganda. Totally unnecessary.
Took until five minutes from the final episode !
The Boys season 2 could have been an amazing second season, with about 2-3 episodes of material cut, and everything tightened up. The major plot lines (Stormfront, creepy religion, Homelander parenting, Starlight infiltration, Headpopper) were strong and engaging. There were some absolutely brilliant scenes, bookended by content you could have made a sandwich during, and never noticed you missed the plot point, because it had plot, but no point.
need to another review of later seasons. it gets much worse
How
I remember that it was pretty easy to pick out Stormfront pretty early on given that her name is literally "Stormfront" and she has lighting earrings which looked like the s in SS.
Butcher and Homelander make this show.
Once they mess with those characters the show will die.
@@MegaAndyGG the characters increasingly make poor out of character choices. If you really pay attention, both characters are insanely dumb compared to last season. But the actors are so good that it’s not easily noticed.
Sooo, only male characters are good. Nice to know.
@@neilwilson5785 Only 2 male characters are good in the show. There’s a bunch that are just as terrible as the female characters. Don’t blame us, we didn’t write the season.
The fact that Homelander didn’t kill Maeve and her phone in the spot seemed out of character from him
@@sergeantmajor_gross that drove me insane, he 100% would not allow himself to be blackmailed. Like he couldn’t of layered the phone!?!? Wtf.
What about the AOC reference at the end? I think you got caught up with the on the nose stuff that you missed the more sinister subtle stuff
Is there going to be a video on season 3? Da message got real blunt in that one.
@@Shadow-gm9ct yup
@@Shadow-gm9ct "right bad left good" and pandering too.
@@shiori00 wasn’t the democrat lady the bad guy?
@@Shadow-gm9ct that’s what the show is. The writers have been clear about that
After about the third episode of this season I only watched it for Homelander, he carried the show on his back imo.
Him, Edgar and Stomefront really carried it together with making fun off SJW and Nazis (I am gay was freaking hillarious or how Homelander expose Maieve like lesbian) but whole The Boys storyline was clusterf*ck
@@rjofusetsudzin8011 It is alright you can have an opinion on LGBT regardless of your sexuality.
@@youngyoughurt You misunderstoood me, I hove nothing against LGBT, what I don´t like is forced pandering which is something show definetly make fun off.
The scene of him trying to be a good father to his son hit me in the feels.
Homelander and Edgar's confrontation was awesome to witness!
If it drags on like how the walking dead does or extends to 8 seasons where the writers "forget" everything then it will forget it's way. About 5 seasons are planned and it should not extend beyond 5. Personally, I would have it at 3-4 max.
TWD is finally ending next year.
I thought it would only go up to 3 seasons
Unfortunately there's always a greedy exec that wants to drag a good thing out until it ain't a good thing. Like House reaching season 8. Know when to end it!
Id like it to end at 3 seasons as well but I do think theres much more opportunity for innovation than TWD given that its rooted social satire. It changes with the world. Also Seth Rogan was involved in Preacher (another Ennis-based comic) which ended at 3 seasons, so I trust the execs to stand up for their show when they feel the need to. Not to mention that the new spin off can accommodate for the series ending
5 feels like a good number, imho. No more though. Absolutely not.
Nailed it. S3 led to even more eye rolling sadly.
Not losing it's way so much as it was trying to flesh out all the characters while still trying to keep the same tone and energy as the first season. There were understandable fluctuations in quality through s2 but the series is still great, I'd just like to see more of the Seven since the whole plot is basically about superheroes and how they'd be in the flawed, prejudiced and morally grey world we actually live in.
You really didn't think Hughie didn't have character growth? His arc was realizing that he can't trust butcher, and needs to stand on his own. It terminates him taking initiative in a situation where he would have been paralyzed with fear and/or helpless last season. And finally at the end he decides he wants to move on from the Boys, because he's gained the confidence to get away from Butcher.
Oh please. His last decision was to go work for a baddie
@@1BBL5 Damn must've missed that scene where Hughie found out the senator was a bad guy, can you link it for me?
@Space Roamer thats because the whole character is useless. think about it. the whole plot could work the same without hughie around to talk to people and react to stuff happening. he's just a standin for the male viewer.
@@1BBL5 but he doesn't know that Neuman works for Vought.
@@1BBL5 Smooth brain take
The most unbelievable part of season 2 for me was when starlight brought compound V to the mainstream press and they actually exposed the multi billion dollar corporation. That one really shattered my suspension of disbelief.
Completely
They get exposed and they get away with it completely and don't face any consequences. That's the most realistic thing ever..
@@Shadow25720 true
The most unbelievable part for me is that Stormfront using social media made the stigma for Homelander killing someone go away. Celebrities and politicians in real life have had their reputations permanently damaged by rumors. Unless he has an ally with mind control powers there is no way the damage he took would go away.
Me too .
I had hoped that this review was unnecessarily cynical and some of these things were coincidental and self-referencial, but after seeing the first few episodes of season 3 I think, this was a lot more accurate than I had hoped it would be.
shouldve watched the show first, watching a non spoiler review might have primed thoughts in you
@@creationfied Oh I did watch the show first
@@creationfied I was primed to enjoy the first season by C Drinker and then watched the show turn into the exact world view of CNN
@@Jakeneil lmao the show is good until it exposes ur dumb worldview isn't it.
Karl Urban is a beast! Loved him in chronicles of riddick!
I like how they cast the guy who played Iceman to be Lamplighter.
Oh, and Greg Grunberg is there too, I guess.
Homelander and bonding with his son, as well as the problems between them like Homelander coming to realize that his son isn’t him and his son warming up to him some were the highlight of the season in my opinion. I wish it was more of the focus this season, since Anthony played an amazing role as a narcissistic father somewhat realizing that his son shouldn’t have to have a traumatic past like him. I feel like every other character this season was just... meh. Not terrible, but just average. To me, the Boys characters in general felt off, like they weren’t the same people from season 1.
You gotta look at it from the mindset that charecters develop, new season, new set of issues, nobody stays the same.
Yeah, but the characters didn't develop at all during season 2
The show really went downhill imo.
Unimportant characters are disposed of in a matter of milliseconds for gory bullshit , while characters that the writers decided are important are kept in , while they should've faced the same faith.
It makes my blood boil how characters like A-train and Lamplighter are not killed on the spot by the people who hate their guts..
You mean to tell me that Starlight (a sweet girl that wants to save people) kills a normal guy , who thought was just being scammed makes sense ,while M.M. And Frenchie (two homicidal professionals, who hate this guy) let Lamplighter live long enough to redeem himself..
Same with Hughie , in s1 he kills Translucent and even tells M.M. it felt good , later on he spares A-train TWICE ,before he is even redeemed at all. How does that make any sense at all?
I’d love to hear a review from you about your thoughts on season 3 of the boys.
My guess is he doesn’t recommend it anymore, season 3 was bad
Why? All he does is shove his opinion down your throat.