Thank you, for such a clear and precise explanation. I especially like the 2nd curve explanation. I now understand that mitten shape shows, in my case, a failure to lean and reach forward enough during the recovery phase. I have been able to correct that now. So the force curve even shows faults that occur when you are not even supposed to be applying force. Brilliant!
I almost always have my force curve on, and this is a great explanation of a couple of issues I sometimes see - thank you! Gotta keep that back straight - I can be a bit of a rounder.
The force curve is SUCH a great tool! I wish more people knew about it. With you on sitting up straight, that's one of the things I'm always working on too! - Sarah
To get the most benefit out of time spent on the rowerg this is what should be used for progress & tracking and in my opinion nothing else. If you connect the C2 app on your phone to the monitor you will get all the other data to look at later - but really time / cals etc is just pure extra - good form / technique is key. I have been practising for about a year now on a C2E and it is an ongoing thing every-time and I think it should be - means I am paying attention and not just going through the motions. Started on a water rower a year before after triple heart bypass and have completed numerous challenges last year inc HM, have gone from 1,000mts and hating it to 34,000mts a week in 3 visits to the gym. Atm I do 2 x 12,000mts at 4,000mt intervals as something different to a straight 12k I was doing and 1 x 10k straight row. Your explanation was spot on.
@@UCanRow2 Glad to hear from you. I split my workouts among running, rowing and weight training. But Yes, I do use Force curve and that's the reason I liked this video cuz it helped me to fix my technique to get the right shape of the curve. So, thanks again! :)
How can I improve my force curve at lower spm? Even if at 20 spm I am able to have low splits (2:10 or 2:15) and good wattage (120-150), my curve looks like example B. Only when I increase the speed (26-28 spm or higher), my force curve looks acceptable. Am I opening my body too soon or my drive is too long? From my videos and analysis on Rowerup, my form is good, although I struggle to understand how to fix this issue. Thank you so much for all the great videos you post!!!
Try reducing the DF by 10 for these (presumably) UT2 or Z2 sessions. This allows a fast drive despite maintaining a lower split. It's good to train a fast drive. Don't forget to increase the DF again back to your usual setting for the higher intensity sessions though.
You're so welcome, Trish, it's one of our favorites as well, and we love teaching it our instructors too for them to use with their students and clients. :) - Sarah
Great video and explanation!! My force curve is fairly smooth (no bumps or divets or drop offs), medium height, but it doesn’t go the full length of the x-axis. This is on fairly straightforward moderate intensity rows at a stroke rate of 22-24. Does it always need to go the full length of the x-axis? What do I need to do to get it there? Thank you!
Hi Carrie! You probably won't go the full length of either axis, and you don't need to! It's more about having a smooth, well-shaped curve, which it sounds like you do. Row on!!!
I suspect taller rowers, who naturally have a longer stroke length, will see that reflected in the x-axis on their force curve. I’m roughly 5ft 9in and use the force curve display every time I row- even at the end of my best strokes my force curve never reaches the end of the x-axis. Hope this info helps!
The arch gets taller when you generate more power. If you want to get a sense for how that works take a few strokes and watch the monitor. Don't worry about technique right away just get a good PUSH with your legs and you should see it go higher. Eventually the whole curve will go us as you get that stronger push and pull in synch.
this is the best explanation of the force curve I've seen. Thanks for doing this!
You're so welcome! So glad you liked it.
This is the best explanation of the force curve I've seen - thank you!
Thank you so much!!
Thank you, for such a clear and precise explanation. I especially like the 2nd curve explanation. I now understand that mitten shape shows, in my case, a failure to lean and reach forward enough during the recovery phase. I have been able to correct that now.
So the force curve even shows faults that occur when you are not even supposed to be applying force. Brilliant!
Right?!? I wish more people knew about it!
Excellent explanation! I’ve generally ignored the force curve, but I’ll work with it tomorrow
Keep us posted! Can't wait to hear how it goes and what you learn.
Thank you coach. I didn’t even know what the force curve was or ever used it.
But now I will to improve form & technique. Again
Thank you.
Happy to help! Please let us know how it goes. :)
I almost always have my force curve on, and this is a great explanation of a couple of issues I sometimes see - thank you! Gotta keep that back straight - I can be a bit of a rounder.
The force curve is SUCH a great tool! I wish more people knew about it. With you on sitting up straight, that's one of the things I'm always working on too! - Sarah
To get the most benefit out of time spent on the rowerg this is what should be used for progress & tracking and in my opinion nothing else. If you connect the C2 app on your phone to the monitor you will get all the other data to look at later - but really time / cals etc is just pure extra - good form / technique is key. I have been practising for about a year now on a C2E and it is an ongoing thing every-time and I think it should be - means I am paying attention and not just going through the motions. Started on a water rower a year before after triple heart bypass and have completed numerous challenges last year inc HM, have gone from 1,000mts and hating it to 34,000mts a week in 3 visits to the gym. Atm I do 2 x 12,000mts at 4,000mt intervals as something different to a straight 12k I was doing and 1 x 10k straight row. Your explanation was spot on.
Thank you! This is very thorough and useful! I’m definitely curve #5 (second row middle): all legs lol.
Great explanation for a very important concept. Thank you!
So glad it was helpful! How's your rowing going now? Have you been using the force curve?
@@UCanRow2 Glad to hear from you. I split my workouts among running, rowing and weight training. But Yes, I do use Force curve and that's the reason I liked this video cuz it helped me to fix my technique to get the right shape of the curve. So, thanks again! :)
So incredibly helpful!
Glad you think so, let us know what else you'd like to see or what questions you have.
Very informative....thank you
You're so welcome! Very glad you liked it.
very helpful, thank you!
You're so welcome! Please let us know if there's something else you'd like to see here.
How can I improve my force curve at lower spm? Even if at 20 spm I am able to have low splits (2:10 or 2:15) and good wattage (120-150), my curve looks like example B. Only when I increase the speed (26-28 spm or higher), my force curve looks acceptable. Am I opening my body too soon or my drive is too long? From my videos and analysis on Rowerup, my form is good, although I struggle to understand how to fix this issue. Thank you so much for all the great videos you post!!!
Ooooh! This is such a good question! Let's bring in Cassi and see what she says. - Sarah
@@UCanRow2 Thank you, I appreciate it!
Try reducing the DF by 10 for these (presumably) UT2 or Z2 sessions. This allows a fast drive despite maintaining a lower split. It's good to train a fast drive. Don't forget to increase the DF again back to your usual setting for the higher intensity sessions though.
Thank you. I love it!
So glad you do!
Fantastic - really useful
Wonderful! Let us know what else you'd like to see
Great explanation, thanks so much.
You're so welcome, Trish, it's one of our favorites as well, and we love teaching it our instructors too for them to use with their students and clients. :) - Sarah
Is there an app that can record your force curve thru a session?
Check out the ErgData app. It's free and I believe it might do that for you. www.concept2.com/ergdata
Great video and explanation!! My force curve is fairly smooth (no bumps or divets or drop offs), medium height, but it doesn’t go the full length of the x-axis. This is on fairly straightforward moderate intensity rows at a stroke rate of 22-24. Does it always need to go the full length of the x-axis? What do I need to do to get it there? Thank you!
Hi Carrie! You probably won't go the full length of either axis, and you don't need to! It's more about having a smooth, well-shaped curve, which it sounds like you do. Row on!!!
I suspect taller rowers, who naturally have a longer stroke length, will see that reflected in the x-axis on their force curve. I’m roughly 5ft 9in and use the force curve display every time I row- even at the end of my best strokes my force curve never reaches the end of the x-axis. Hope this info helps!
sometimes my curve will rise up normally but then stay flat then go down normally. Any ideas?
I get a low even curve but how do I make the arch taller?
The arch gets taller when you generate more power. If you want to get a sense for how that works take a few strokes and watch the monitor. Don't worry about technique right away just get a good PUSH with your legs and you should see it go higher. Eventually the whole curve will go us as you get that stronger push and pull in synch.
Mine looks like a broken tooth. Makes sense now - I’m likely over reaching my catch.
The great news is every stroke is a chance at a do-over. Keep working on it, and use the force curve. It's such a great tool!
Thank you. I love it!
That's great to hear! Did you find any errors to fix (PS: We all have them!)?