The fitna started when the Prophet was ill, even before his death, so long before the establishment of hadits: it's deeper than the hadits (that are surely a problem, for the most part). It's in the hearts.
I have to agree with the first reply, it will never happen, this goes way beyond Hadith. It's human nature to follow blindly and fall for organized religion. Only a minority can think critically.
Salam bro, about a year ago, when I'd first found your channel, I couldn't stand your voice, but I've come to develop a great amount of respect & appreciation for you & your work.
God put the Qur'an into a sea of the worst people on the planet, and it survived til this day, that's certainly a miracle. Just like how God caused Moses alayhisalaam to be raised by the household of Firaun. With how God took care of Moses, we can have faith and trust that He has protected the Qur'an for us like He said He would.
@@Sufi2017 I heard similar narratives from dr adnan ibrahim and saudi scholar farhan al maliki ( reported to be imprisoned ) and they gave their sources.
Salam brother. Would you be open to discussing your views with me? I'm trying to gather the Quran only folks together in a virtual meeting and create a website for this cause. Please let me know.
You know what's also interesting is that there are plenty of hadiths in which prophet Muhammad says to his ummah that Ali is his favorite and should be khalifa--and yet, the people nominated Abu Bakr instead...That tells me already that the people immediately disobeyed the prophet upon his death and put their opinion above the prophet. These are the people and ummah we are supposed to trust with the hadiths? 😵
You must question everything the Sectarian scholars have told you about their religion, be it the Sunni or Shiite or to whatever sect they belong. Unwittingly you wrote, _"Ali is his favorite and should be khalifa"_ There are sooo many things wrong with this short statement and I am not sure where to begin. But here are some sample questions: #1. If this was actually uttered by the prophet, then that would have been a "Sunnah" of the Rasool but "his followers" disobeyed this. So, why would the present-day Sectarian follow what was said to have been the "Sunnah of the Rasool?" #2. Where did the prophet receive the "authority" to appoint a "khalifa?" #3. Did the people of his time know what is a "khalifa?" #4. Was the prophet/messenger a khalifa? Well... you get the idea, don't yer? salam.
@@shukriyusof2104 100%. I don't trust anything from hadith. How can you when it was created by the enemies of truth? It was specifically created to spread corruption and division amongst people.
@@shukriyusof2104 #1 this is the exactly the point of the original comment. #2 he could surely support a candidate so to speak, and his opinion would have weighted in the decision. #3 concept of khalifa was clear from Qur'an, so yes: people in those times knew what it meant. #4 he was definitely the khalifa.
@@musamusashi You claimed, _"#3 concept of khalifa was clear from Qur'an, so yes: people in thise times knew what it meant."_ Please provide evidence in the form of surah & verse numbers. No need for other convoluted & lengthy explanation. Thank you in advance. salam.
@@musamusashi You ASSumed, _"#4 he was definitely the khalifa."_ Please provide any verse from the Quran that says, _"O Khalifa..."_ Just the surah and verse numbers will do just fine. Thanking you in advance. salam.
I learned that even before the prophet was laid to rest some of the sahabas, the big guns were debating who to be the next leader. I was really bothered by that and I can see clearly where all the problems started. But unfortunately majority of the Muslims do not like to talk about that because you know what. O ye who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses. To Allah, even as against Yourselves, or your parents, Or your kin, and whether.
Your on the right track . They say Hadiths came about 150 years after Muhammad's poisoning . Yet Aiasha was/is married to Muhammad. So they just lost the Hadiths for 150 years . The problem of in the chains of transmissions by males . And what do they come up with after 150 years oh its abu Bakr 's daughter . Bullshit , it's Muhammad's daughter who he didn't want married into eunuch lines of the ummah . I have respect for that I would marry my own daughter than have her married into a eunuch clan .
This is why when you hear about Abu Bakr being slandered , that's bullshit too . When they were saying all 5 clans come out of Abu Bakr. I said immediately I don't believe that .
@@jkl5712it doesn’t make any sense. Petra was controlled by the Romans at the time, whose records have the Muslims being a separate entity deeper in Arabia after the conquest of Mecca.
Salaams. Allah says that The Quran is a complete guidance and the only Hadith. So Does Bukhari and all others believe that the Prophet Muhammad and Allah didn't finish their work? Also the after the Quran was revealed I didn't hear or see of any mention that a Persian man by the Bukhari is going to come 300/400 years later to properly interpret the Quran and give us the so called "Sunnah". I believe the Prophet Muhammad follow the Quran teaching to the T. And so his Sunnah comes from Sunnatullah. I would follow a guide from Allah rather than a Story Book Hadith from man. This right here is why the Deen of Islam fell.
@QuranTalk As investigators and skeptics into Hadith, should we take these historical events as factual? Is it not possible that matters were confounded by victors or successors who hated them? Especially in the matter of the companions of the prophet and his widow. The savagery ascribed to them in fighting and causing the death of believers is grave. The Quran says to investigate information. So we should ascertain the validity of these accounts. Also the accounts were not fully described but you narrated that at first Aisha wanted to negotiate and the next part was that fighting began. But how who was the aggressor or oppressor against whom fighting might have been warranted. Finally, in which situation is fighting warranted because the Quran speaks of making peace between two brothers and fighting the oppressors until they subdue. Is the is not describing killing of believers who are oppressing or am in misunderstanding?
Abu Sufyan nephew of abi lahb??? Are you in sense??? Abu lahab was the real uncle of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him Abu lahab was the brother in law of Abu Sufyan
Its really sad how you are saying these historical events with smile, the deaths of all great sahabas and wives of prophets are not something to be laughed at. May Allah have mercy on them and on us too. May we give them proper respect.
@@TheLasthourAA So, (even if for sake of argument I agree that) a hadith that describes deaths of a sahaba should be laughed at? What on earth you are talking about brother?
So apparently most of the sahabas and even Isha were complete failures of human being pretty much the same for most so called pious muslims today they are failures.as human beings but great followers of the prophet unfortunately
I heard similar narratives from dr adnan ibrahim and saudi scholar farhan al maliki ( he is reported imprisoned by the authority) and the gave their sources.
As salam alaikum, in the light of all the fitna that took place since the death, or even the illness, of the Prophet, how can we be sure the the Qur'an we have today is actually 100% what was revealed to the Rasul? Wasn't the Quran compiled in its written form under Uthman who is a controversial figure himself?
@@QuranTalk thanks for the very interesting article. But what about those two final verses of Sura 9 you mention as not being original? If they are part of the Qur'an although long time suspicion AND their incompatibility with the code 19 verification, doesn't it actually prove that some (or at least this very one) tampering has actually been successful ?
@@musamusashi He's talking BS. The reason they reject those two verses is because they say they have a new messenger called Rashad. And his messengership relies on those two verses being fake loooool Trust me, there's a LOT of correct things these people say... and then there's a load of old crap as well. They actually don't like the prophet at all. That's why they reject the 2 verses that mention his kindness. They prefer a modern new messenger instead. I don't quite know why they're like this, but I think it's an emotional thing
@@musamusashi oh and it's also a test from God. The words in those verses are referring to the messenger and not to Allah. That's why the number 19 test with regard to those particular words doesn't hold up to those 2 verses. However, this doesn't mean the verses are fake There are in fact other number 19 tests that you can do with those verses as a whole, that show that in fact they ARE a part of the Quran These people ignore those tests because they're adamant in making Rashad into a messenger. Thus they're misguided. It's true that he's found out some of the secrets of the Quran - however, this doesn't mean he's a new messenger. A messenger is in contact with God. He certainly wasn't.
It is uncomfortable to hear you mention the name of the Messenger of God without saying "Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam." You lack respect, as if the Prophet is your equal.
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The Muslim Ummah will continue to be humiliated until they abandon the hadiths and turn to following the Quran alone.
The fitna started when the Prophet was ill, even before his death, so long before the establishment of hadits: it's deeper than the hadits (that are surely a problem, for the most part).
It's in the hearts.
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Insyaallah ❤ we need united as 1...
I have to agree with the first reply, it will never happen, this goes way beyond Hadith. It's human nature to follow blindly and fall for organized religion. Only a minority can think critically.
@@musamusashi wrong! the fitna started after death of Umar , and not when prophet was ill as you claimed.
Salam bro, about a year ago, when I'd first found your channel, I couldn't stand your voice, but I've come to develop a great amount of respect & appreciation for you & your work.
God put the Qur'an into a sea of the worst people on the planet, and it survived til this day, that's certainly a miracle. Just like how God caused Moses alayhisalaam to be raised by the household of Firaun. With how God took care of Moses, we can have faith and trust that He has protected the Qur'an for us like He said He would.
Allah said: we revealed the zikr (quran) and we'll protect it.
@@moustaphakane1979 zikr means the parable and stories.
@@GBL3092 Wrong! Zikr means remembrance, not "parable" nor "story"
This in very educational thanks man for helping and strengthening my aqida. Alhamdhu lillah.
Excellent analysis of Hadith history.
This video explains everything I been feeling about Islam
I been looking for this history about the Hadith. Appreciate this, May Allah grant you peace 🙏
Its unreliable unless he povides references and "in-text citations."
@@Sufi2017 Thanks Coach
@@Sufi2017this particular story is not true then?
@@Sufi2017 I heard similar narratives from dr adnan ibrahim and saudi scholar farhan al maliki ( reported to be imprisoned ) and they gave their sources.
JazakAllah khair.
Brilliant
So now I know how Islam is represented.
Salam brother. Would you be open to discussing your views with me? I'm trying to gather the Quran only folks together in a virtual meeting and create a website for this cause. Please let me know.
You know what's also interesting is that there are plenty of hadiths in which prophet Muhammad says to his ummah that Ali is his favorite and should be khalifa--and yet, the people nominated Abu Bakr instead...That tells me already that the people immediately disobeyed the prophet upon his death and put their opinion above the prophet. These are the people and ummah we are supposed to trust with the hadiths? 😵
You must question everything the Sectarian scholars have told you about their religion, be it the Sunni or Shiite or to whatever sect they belong.
Unwittingly you wrote, _"Ali is his favorite and should be khalifa"_
There are sooo many things wrong with this short statement and I am not sure where to begin. But here are some sample questions:
#1. If this was actually uttered by the prophet, then that would have been a "Sunnah" of the Rasool but "his followers" disobeyed this. So, why would the present-day Sectarian follow what was said to have been the "Sunnah of the Rasool?"
#2. Where did the prophet receive the "authority" to appoint a "khalifa?"
#3. Did the people of his time know what is a "khalifa?"
#4. Was the prophet/messenger a khalifa?
Well... you get the idea, don't yer?
salam.
@@shukriyusof2104 100%. I don't trust anything from hadith. How can you when it was created by the enemies of truth? It was specifically created to spread corruption and division amongst people.
@@shukriyusof2104
#1 this is the exactly the point of the original comment.
#2 he could surely support a candidate so to speak, and his opinion would have weighted in the decision.
#3 concept of khalifa was clear from Qur'an, so yes: people in those times knew what it meant.
#4 he was definitely the khalifa.
@@musamusashi You claimed, _"#3 concept of khalifa was clear from Qur'an, so yes: people in thise times knew what it meant."_
Please provide evidence in the form of surah & verse numbers. No need for other convoluted & lengthy explanation.
Thank you in advance.
salam.
@@musamusashi You ASSumed, _"#4 he was definitely the khalifa."_
Please provide any verse from the Quran that says, _"O Khalifa..."_
Just the surah and verse numbers will do just fine.
Thanking you in advance.
salam.
I learned that even before the prophet was laid to rest some of the sahabas, the big guns were debating who to be the next leader. I was really bothered by that and I can see clearly where all the problems started. But unfortunately majority of the Muslims do not like to talk about that because you know what.
O ye who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses. To Allah, even as against Yourselves, or your parents, Or your kin, and whether.
Your on the right track . They say Hadiths came about 150 years after Muhammad's poisoning . Yet Aiasha was/is married to Muhammad. So they just lost the Hadiths for 150 years . The problem of in the chains of transmissions by males . And what do they come up with after 150 years oh its abu Bakr 's daughter . Bullshit , it's Muhammad's daughter who he didn't want married into eunuch lines of the ummah . I have respect for that I would marry my own daughter than have her married into a eunuch clan .
This is why when you hear about Abu Bakr being slandered , that's bullshit too . When they were saying all 5 clans come out of Abu Bakr. I said immediately I don't believe that .
Truth
Have you heard Dan Gibson Mecca claim is Petra.
It does make sense. Petra existed, was a well known trade route. Mecca didnt exist at the time of Muhammad, etc.
@@jkl5712it doesn’t make any sense. Petra was controlled by the Romans at the time, whose records have the Muslims being a separate entity deeper in Arabia after the conquest of Mecca.
You got mixed up with Abu sufiyan and Abu lahab
Pronunciation is way off too
I think that it's AI voice.
Salam bro. I like to get in touch with you inshallah. I asked Navid also to inform you. Peace
Singh. Jaat? Pehlwan?
Haryana Jaat Submitter?
I'm trying to reach him as well.
In the battle of badr Abu Sufyan was not present
Salaams. Allah says that The Quran is a complete guidance and the only Hadith. So Does Bukhari and all others believe that the Prophet Muhammad and Allah didn't finish their work? Also the after the Quran was revealed I didn't hear or see of any mention that a Persian man by the Bukhari is going to come 300/400 years later to properly interpret the Quran and give us the so called "Sunnah". I believe the Prophet Muhammad follow the Quran teaching to the T. And so his Sunnah comes from Sunnatullah. I would follow a guide from Allah rather than a Story Book Hadith from man. This right here is why the Deen of Islam fell.
@QuranTalk As investigators and skeptics into Hadith, should we take these historical events as factual? Is it not possible that matters were confounded by victors or successors who hated them? Especially in the matter of the companions of the prophet and his widow. The savagery ascribed to them in fighting and causing the death of believers is grave. The Quran says to investigate information. So we should ascertain the validity of these accounts. Also the accounts were not fully described but you narrated that at first Aisha wanted to negotiate and the next part was that fighting began. But how who was the aggressor or oppressor against whom fighting might have been warranted. Finally, in which situation is fighting warranted because the Quran speaks of making peace between two brothers and fighting the oppressors until they subdue. Is the is not describing killing of believers who are oppressing or am in misunderstanding?
Muawwiya was a descendant of Abu Sufiyan.
Peace - Mu’awiya was the son of Abu Sufyan and Hind bint Utba
Abu Sufyan nephew of abi lahb??? Are you in sense??? Abu lahab was the real uncle of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
Abu lahab was the brother in law of Abu Sufyan
Do you believe such man made history?
You don't believe fabricated hadits, do you?
May be you should tell us the true history
@qurantalk There is a hypothesis that Uthman is actually a fabrication character..or is actually greek descendant....
Its really sad how you are saying these historical events with smile, the deaths of all great sahabas and wives of prophets are not something to be laughed at.
May Allah have mercy on them and on us too. May we give them proper respect.
There is no disrespect to them. He's laughing at those who believe in these Hadiths.
@@TheLasthourAA So, (even if for sake of argument I agree that) a hadith that describes deaths of a sahaba should be laughed at?
What on earth you are talking about brother?
Whoever said all the Sahaba were great?
@@SadmimHossain death of Sahaba should be laughed that is what True Muslim should do. Those bastards corrupted my religion.
He's literally stating the crimes some of them are committing
So apparently most of the sahabas and even Isha were complete failures of human being pretty much the same for most so called pious muslims today they are failures.as human beings but great followers of the prophet unfortunately
You know, to comment on, and criticize, this stuff, you should, at the very least, be able to pronounce the names you're reading
Pronunciation the least thing you should worry about
Where is your proof that uthmaan usurpt money from the treasury ?
His dead body
You think he got killed for no reason
I heard similar narratives from dr adnan ibrahim and saudi scholar farhan al maliki ( he is reported imprisoned by the authority) and the gave their sources.
You are slandering Abu Bakr without documented proof
this sounds a lot like propaganda trying to blame Aisha
the hadith?
Bro what?
No. Read the hadith about the dogs of ho'ab. Prophet as. had warned her about it and Ali as. also knew about it from the Prophet.
@@GBL3092 many Hadith were fabricated for propagandistic reasons
As salam alaikum, in the light of all the fitna that took place since the death, or even the illness, of the Prophet, how can we be sure the the Qur'an we have today is actually 100% what was revealed to the Rasul? Wasn't the Quran compiled in its written form under Uthman who is a controversial figure himself?
qurantalkblog.com/2022/04/14/preservation-of-the-quran-past-and-future/
qurantalkblog.com/2022/12/11/the-written-quran/
@@QuranTalk thanks for the very interesting article. But what about those two final verses of Sura 9 you mention as not being original? If they are part of the Qur'an although long time suspicion AND their incompatibility with the code 19 verification, doesn't it actually prove that some (or at least this very one) tampering has actually been successful ?
@@musamusashi He's talking BS. The reason they reject those two verses is because they say they have a new messenger called Rashad. And his messengership relies on those two verses being fake loooool
Trust me, there's a LOT of correct things these people say... and then there's a load of old crap as well. They actually don't like the prophet at all. That's why they reject the 2 verses that mention his kindness. They prefer a modern new messenger instead. I don't quite know why they're like this, but I think it's an emotional thing
@@musamusashi oh and it's also a test from God. The words in those verses are referring to the messenger and not to Allah. That's why the number 19 test with regard to those particular words doesn't hold up to those 2 verses. However, this doesn't mean the verses are fake
There are in fact other number 19 tests that you can do with those verses as a whole, that show that in fact they ARE a part of the Quran
These people ignore those tests because they're adamant in making Rashad into a messenger. Thus they're misguided.
It's true that he's found out some of the secrets of the Quran - however, this doesn't mean he's a new messenger. A messenger is in contact with God. He certainly wasn't.
It is uncomfortable to hear you mention the name of the Messenger of God without saying "Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam." You lack respect, as if the Prophet is your equal.
The best form of respect one can give to the Prophet would be to follow his teachings, the Quran. Not by putting a salutation to his name.
@@stranger_101 Beautifully said, bud
Do you say it for Jesus? Abraham? Noah? Lot? Job? No... then quit complaining muhammadan. Allah was the islamic goal, not the messenger.
Stop worshipping the prophet
Salaamun Aleykum,
It’s admirable to respect the Messenger but worship is exclusively to Allah alone. Let’s not miss the point.