Yes, but don't dwell on it, my dear friend. He is still doing great work. I've just finished his latest book, and that great brain is still working harder than the rest of us.
I consider myself a little pessimistic, I find it hard to be an optimist these days. However, I don't think Mr. Chomsky wants us to be neither optimistic, nor pessimistic. I think he would prefer our engagement, organization, and action. Also for us to cultivate ourselves, in order to be capable of forming valid opinions.
Absolutely. Optimism and pessimism are for idealists and armchairs. Recognition of the change you yourself can affect, of the heaps of positive propaganda you can spread and of all the people you can help - and then doing something what that recognition - is where it's at.
I've heard Chomsky quoting Gramsci before - 'we should have pessimism of the intellect and optimism of the will'. Pessimism of the will - defeatism, quietism - is self-fulfilling.
Like an earlier comment, iam a late comer to this GREAT MAN'S brilliance. I too am trying to absorb each and every comment he makes. At 86 I am a bit late, BUT NEVER TOO LATE.
Yeah, yeah we are all "comrades" until the revolution is a fact then then the red bourgeoisie is formed! We've already been there! It's all talk before the revolution once the ruling class is gone, a new ruling class takes its place! Because humans will always be humans and conflict of interests is the most fundamental dynamic in any society!
I'm all over the web gathering whatever I can find by this man. Times running out, and who knows if and when there will be another like him. I spent the bulk of my life never knowing he existed (thank you MSM - that's why you'll never darken my door again). So, I'm trying to get all I can. Thanks for the post.
you can read karl polanyi and his great transformation book for chomsky's reference about the right to live in the 19. century. Polanyi is also very interesting writer.
You already watch or read "manufacturing consent"? It's a MUST! and a must be shared!! And yes, Definitely check out Howard Zinn too, especially "the peoples history of the united states"... and Chris Hedges too! You certainly wont see him on MSM anymore!
"If we don't have the right to live, you don't have the right to rule." -Dangerous words. Kings don't like hearing that. Pope's don't like hearing that. So called 'presidents' don't wanna hear it either.
You should watch what Noam said about forced vaccinations and separating people from society if they don't do as the state tells them. Everyone is a working class hero when the powers at be are against you, the moment they are not the working class powers disapear faster than under any monarc.
Yeah, yeah we are all "comrades" until the revolution is a fact then the red bourgeoisie is formed! We've already been there! It's all talk before the revolution once the ruling class is gone, a new ruling class takes its place!
@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 You might take some comfort knowing that the people who start revolutions are rarely the ones who wind up in power at the end. In fact tens of thousands of Mao's minions, and Stalin's cronies were disappeared in the middle of the night. And anyone gearing up for WW3, anyone joining a militia or a ''resistance group'' is gonna be without a seat when the music stops. One good reason Trump's Waffle House Junta didn't work is technology has gone beyond their ability to hide AND reach out to each other. They betray themselves all the time.
Same. ...Some say that people go through a "Chomsky Phase" and then it passes. For me, my phase started almos 20 yrs. ago, and still every time I find another lecture/talk, it gets added to the playlist, and still keep learning. +1 +1 +1
Just yesterday I was reading his phenomenal book, Year 501, on the hypocrisy of U.S approach to Japanese war guilt while at the same time they had totaled Vietnam. I cannot recommend it enough for anyone who is only familiar with the textbook history of European expansion and the legacy of violence..
I don't know if it's hypocrisy, as I don't know that the US has an official stance on the atrocities committed by the Japanese military during WW1 and 2. In my experience, albeit anecdotal, the same people who refuse to face US complicity in the devastation of Vietnam are the ones who don't think Japan has anything to apologize for. The reverse is also true, and is a legitimate litmus to separate left and right ideologues.
You mention "US official stance on the atrocities committed by the Japanese military during WW1..." What Japanese atrocities in WW1? What US official stance? It probably only means that you don't know what you are talking about.
I can only encourage everyone here to read his books, they’re fascinating & they changed my life; as does all informative education. “Manufacturing Consent” is a probably his most famous example on the role of the media in our society. Another brilliant book examining the US & it’s foreign policy post world war 2, you’ll learn so much it’s incredible “Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance’.
This is Chomsky at his most surprisingly optimistic, in that these cycles of social change go up and down pretty steadily, but that the upwards trends tend to get gradually better over time, with the disclaimer at the end that who knows if we're going to go in a downwards or upwards direction next!
This is the 40th of 100 speeches that I watch to make research on public speaking. Now I've come across a new feature which I kind of didn't notice before. Even though most of the speeches I watched were made by politicians, they didn't sound as authoritative as "the father of modern linguistics." I immediately recalled Jordan Peterson's lectures and realized why I liked them, being able to listen to them for hundreds of hours. The conviction with which one talks about his subject is very catching; it's one of the things that almost impossible to fake. Recently, I watched many speeches made by famous entrepreneurs like Bezos and Jobs. They made me bored in a couple of days and I had little motivation to carry on my research. Now, I'm refreshed and ready to continue. Chomsky, by the way, was one of my role models when I started studying English. His idea that language is mostly about thinking and not communication was one of the best discoveries that I made trying to develop my theory of thinking in English.
I'm not sure how much people agree on...especially when people start ascribing virtue/non-virtue to the various actors. We used to have the "savage primitive native" myth and now we have the "oppressed innocent victim" myth.
"you have all these rule, and you think they'll save you", in relation to laws written outside the bounds of practical applicable reality. Rules are fonts on paper.
I recommend Mishra's book, The Age of Anger, for anyone interested in 'human affairs' and the myth of the 'end of history', as well as arguments against the romanticist view on Western civilization.
i gotchu www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=the+age+of+anger&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=174240821750&hvpos=1t1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5459194527093504603&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9021758&hvtargid=kwd-273584714070&ref=pd_sl_7del60nfwq_e
Scary thoughts, but I agree, predicting the future is like predicting the weather, unless one is in a position to direct policy with the muscle to enforce ones ideology using military or law enforcement, fascism, authoritarian rule...
"If we dont have the right to live, you dont have the right to rule." Damn, why did it take me 40 years to finally understand the real meaning of the bible:"if we don't have the right to live, you dont have the right to rule!"
Sorry its not lining up for me? Care to explain? If youre talking about adam and eve, then he gave them not only the right to live, but to live forever. If God gives life to all how would he say he doesnt have the right? If you mean the devil that kills, then absolutely i agree.
Adam Smith weird ideas lol! Ok... Adam Smith was a total genius and he's ideas are as valid today and is one of the finest political thinkers we have had. What a pompous dillutional take! Rest was brilliant tho! Also the humility of saying hey, we don't know we're we are going is commendable and stoic.
It isn't obvious from this clip, but from hearing Chomsky speak and write about Adam Smith, his comment about Smith having 'lots of funny ideas' is probably sarcastic. Chomsky has spoken positively of Adam Smith and has pointed out how Smith tends to be worshipped like a saint by neoliberals but seldom understood. He categorises Smith as a pre-capitalist classical liberal who pointed out and predicted the dangers of the sort of neoliberal economic order that now dominates the global economy. I think the 'funny ideas' that he is referring to in this clip are likely the ideas of Smith on things like the division of labour, global trade and unregulated global capital flows. Things that Chomsky considers prescient points that neoliberals (or mercantilists of his time) would categorise as 'funny ideas'.
5:30: "America's leading labor historian David Montgomery", who joined the Communist Party at the height of Stalin's terror and show trials in the 1950s, and stayed in the party all through those years, leaving only a year after Kruschev's famous revelations at the 20th congress of the CPSU in 1956. In sum, one of the last die hard true believers to leave among western intellectuals.
I did assume 'leading labour historian' meant a Marxist crackpot of some sort (Howard Zinn is probably a bit Jingo for Noam) but it's so much better to actually know. Thank you for that. I've learned something.
@@b.alexanderjohnstone9774 Lol, certainly "crackpot" is a given whenever the person is being cited approvingly by Chomsky as a "leading" whatever. Naturally none of this would bother a Chomsky cult member.
@@sheilamacdougal4874 I'm curious to talk to you about this because I want to hear your beliefs and what you disagree with about Noam. For example, idk much about communism but am curious why this discredits David Montgomery (I also have no idea about the history you're referencing). Also, do you mean "true believer" of communism?
@@chasebell1414 Do you know anything about the former Soviet Union, and its dictator for 3 decades, Joseph Stalin? Feel free to look them up, and then decide whether a supporter through all the atrocities discredits himself.
@@sheilamacdougal4874 damn... Stalin brought some heavy destruction to this world... just looked it up and read about the famines and ethnic cleansing and repression. A question I have for you is: does being in the communist party at the same time as Stalin being in power mean that he really supported Stalin? To me that seems like a tad bit too general of a claim to discredit his entire validity yk?
Oh, the four sorts of creatures that surround the Castle are the Pythons, the Toads, the Badgers and the Unfledged Falcons. [...] These pythons sometimes call themselves the intelligentsia, sometimes the gnostics. They are not knowing, though, they are fools. The revenants are the toads. They sleep or they die under stones for years or centuries, and then they come out from under the stones. But there is either a legend or fairy tale of the toad with a jewel set in his head. These returners really have the jewel, and it may be the jewel of knowledge. They have this bright thing, just as the pythons have their prophecy; and I wish we had it ourselves. The unfledged falcon appears more reptilian than the reptiles. But sometimes it grows, it is fledged, it flies. At its best, to me, it is only mediocre: it was the Crusades; it was the Ottoman Empire (an interloper); it is firm but doltish authority. At its worst it is the fascist thing. But it is fledged only as a reaction: I see a present example of it. What are the badgers? They entrench in the earth and we retain an old empire. I don’t joke. Ours is the real; but even if I should tell you all about it you would regard us as a network of lodges or curious societies or comical conventions. Can you not see that it is your apparent government and world that is these things?
The start of mine worker strikes that led to mine owners getting support from nat'l guard & police to slaughter strikers. In PA, 1891 - Morewood massacre. In 1897 a notorious incident was the Lattimer Massacre. Plenty more strikes to come over the decades in various mining areas across the US. In CO 1914, there was the Ludlow Massacre where Nat'l Guard did the slaughtering & they also killed women & children.
Your comment was five months ago. How about now? Tiki torches, white supremacists, confederal flags, alt-left, alt-right, antifa, and actual nazis... Chomsky was right even in his simple remark.
He noted the cycle could lead to something like the movement in the sixties, and it did, after occupy and sunrise here's a remarkable inflexion point after George Floyd's death and the rise of the intersectional BLM movement. Makes sense since there was still so much more to achieve after the 60s but who would have guessed it was gonna be this way. Chomsky love :)
Spends an entire lecture talking about how the future can't really be predicted. Then he just casually predicts that fascism could arise (and it surely did). How does he do it?
Chomsky reads history. Chomsky researches history. It allows him some form of predictions from past cycles, but he covers himself by then disavowing predictions because the future, in spite of cycles, is too un-predictably volatile. _"How does he do it ?"_ The same way _you_ would, if you were interested in any subject. On some level, we may not be "Chomskies", but we all have some form of deductive reasoning ; human experience ; subjugated by the same system (s). The people in control of this system only change their tactics & strategies ( Obama ) ; they themselves, rarely change ; when they do, it's to become deadlier in their schemes-of-bullshit ( Obama ).
whats the likelihood that the public turn away from foreign policy and politics? record of predicting human affairs, you might as well draw lots. you do something about it you don't predict it. - there's a cycle in America and England history since the 1820s, the two most addvanced and democratic society since the early 1820s. repepated periods hailed as end of history and guys who ought to run the place run everything. 2 periods where things were a disaster. England in the 1830s, was one examplle. --- Remember Adam Smith was not the founder of Classical Economics, he was pre-capitalist and had weird ideas. Something like neo-liberalism is found in Ricardo, Mathus and other economist of that period. They had to teach a new lesson, that humans have no intrinsic value. If you go to feudal society everyone had a place, maybe lousy but a plcae. you had a right to a certain place in society, but there was a new idea coming post- elihtenment, classical liberalism and adam smith(jefferson). That was coming along in England in the 1820s and that was people had no rights, they have only the rights they can obtain in the labor market. If you can't get enough to survive in the labor market than starve or go somewhere else. In the old days you could go somehwere else like US or Austrilia or Canada. That was the message, and its hard to teach people, hard to drive out of heads that humans have intrinsic rights apart from what was gaind in the labor market. - it looked by the 1830s that it sorta won and was written into legislation. but one problem, british army spent a lot of time putting down rebellions because people couldnt get thru their heads that they dont have rights. Something worse happened, the idea spread that "if we don't have a right ot live you don't have a right to rule" and that was serious. thats when the labor movement organized. the sciece (according to ricardo was equivalent to newton's laws of gravitation) was flexible, you have to have something called social democracy, you have to have a social contract and there is a right to live. --go back to the 1880s and the same thing seemed to have popped up. talk abotu Perfection, finality, nobody has rights etc. but again it blew up - wont go on with England because they established a social contract that only changed recently. - in the US it had a much harsher history. In the 1890s there was a real violent repression of individual rights. The "gay 90s" they wwere gay for some people but not people from Western Pennysylvani who were workers. By the 1920s it really looked perfect. David montgomery, rise and fall of house of labor. Fall of the house of labor is the 1920s, thats when labor was completely smashed. Leading figure of labor movement was in jail, unions smashed, very undemocratic america. But it looked like perfection, finality and then blew up 10 years later, workers tookk over factories. -US forced into a kind of social contract, called the NEW DEAL. Huge corporate propanganda. 1950s people were cynical and end of ideology, back on track. 1960s blew up again, then right after 60s again the same story, an attempt to narrow sphere of democratic participation, put wealth back where it belongs into the pockets of rich folks. - repetition not the first time and not a cyclel but a spiral that goes upwards. each period you're better offf than last time. For wexample now theres a problem of defending social security and medical care for poor. Wasn't a problem in the 1920s because there was no social security or medical care. and in the 1960s there was no problem of defending medical care because there wasnt any. if you look case by casse you would see graduall growth in civilization(value judgement). pretty steady change in something which is a recognition of some kind of intrinsic human rights. You get it beaten down then you start at a higher level. Wjere does it go next? no one can predict, you can say you're in a familiar period and could lead to a movement like the 60s and 30s or it could lead to fascism. no one knows.
His assertiveness about every detail of the history of ideas or of History in general, of which he is no expert (how could he?), the way he formulates his radical interpretations as if they were some kind of abc that you just need to be aware of before you start thinking, punctuated by snide jokes or mumbled allusions to thinkers that he knows all about and you don't and he does not have the time to elaborate, is totally unsufferable, almost irrespective of the value of individual judgements or points, here and there (some of them being trite: yes, the poor are better off materially than they were two centuries ago and yes, it happened in part through political strife). The more I hear him, the more I think one of his huge talents was to project intellectual authority, with tone of voice, gestures of the hand, subtle facial expressions, and rhetorical shennaningans ("You have to remember..." about something which could be disputed, etc...). And it sure worked, at least in the US!
@@borbalbuddy Well, I think some of his ideas are trite, as I say in my text. I could elaborate, I have under other videos, but you are right, I was talking mostly about his mannerisms. For someone who has lent himself to being filmed and interviewed on this gigantic scale, it is not irrelevant. And it could be that form and content have some relationship, after all.
It is a matter of lógic What history or story and most of the time for kids is. For example generations of Brasilians learned from school that Brasil was discovered by the best men in the ocean by acident. Let's go tô India. Omg! There aren't elefants. Where are we? Pass me mirror. Hi here a gift for you. You are?
...it could lead to fascism... That was a prescient comment by Chomsky, considering the direction of the U.S., Brazil, Poland, and other nations that have elected proto-fascist leaders or are electing proto-fascist representatives. The Trump/GOP tax breaks, coupled with the continuation of Reagan's policies and unregulated, unfettered capitalism, will lead to another big recession or depression within the next twenty years. Who will bail out Wall Street then? The majority of American people are out of money and interest rates cannot drop below 0%
@@cliffgaither How much more can we print? Most of it goes to the 1% and their corporations, so the middle, working, and lower classes in the US continue to lose economic standing each time the rich are give another trillion of our tax dollars.
What I don’t understand is why someone like Chomsky, a person of this intellectual caliber, can come to Brazil to visit a pathetic petty thief in jail (Lula) and offer him support.. I just don’t get it at all
You should look at what is done. Look at the scholarly research. I'm not saying he was either good or bad. Before you judge Lula, search for studies on what happened during his two presidential terms. You can look for studies on scholar.google.com.
It will be a sad day when this great man passes.
Don't sweat it. He's already said (and published) everything he wants to say.
@@tartanhandbag Chomsky always has more to say.
Agreed. Let's cherish him while we can.
Yes, but don't dwell on it, my dear friend. He is still doing great work. I've just finished his latest book, and that great brain is still working harder than the rest of us.
Pulls at my heart all the time. We got a legend on this planet
I consider myself a little pessimistic, I find it hard to be an optimist these days.
However, I don't think Mr. Chomsky wants us to be neither optimistic, nor pessimistic. I think he would prefer our engagement, organization, and action. Also for us to cultivate ourselves, in order to be capable of forming valid opinions.
Absolutely. Optimism and pessimism are for idealists and armchairs. Recognition of the change you yourself can affect, of the heaps of positive propaganda you can spread and of all the people you can help - and then doing something what that recognition - is where it's at.
THERE IS NO RATIONALE FOR OPTIMISM.
I've heard Chomsky quoting Gramsci before - 'we should have pessimism of the intellect and optimism of the will'. Pessimism of the will - defeatism, quietism - is self-fulfilling.
Like an earlier comment, iam a late comer to this GREAT MAN'S brilliance. I too am trying to absorb each and every comment he makes. At 86 I am a bit late, BUT NEVER TOO LATE.
Yeah, yeah we are all "comrades" until the revolution is a fact then then the red bourgeoisie is formed! We've already been there! It's all talk before the revolution once the ruling class is gone, a new ruling class takes its place! Because humans will always be humans and conflict of interests is the most fundamental dynamic in any society!
'History is nightmare from which I am trying to awake'
I hVnT RD THS ANYWR ELS,BRLNT
--James Joyce 😉
I'm all over the web gathering whatever I can find by this man. Times running out, and who knows if and when there will be another like him.
I spent the bulk of my life never knowing he existed (thank you MSM - that's why you'll never darken my door again). So, I'm trying to get all I can.
Thanks for the post.
you can read karl polanyi and his great transformation book for chomsky's reference about the right to live in the 19. century. Polanyi is also very interesting writer.
theres others like him don't worry about that
We should clone him
You already watch or read "manufacturing consent"? It's a MUST! and a must be shared!! And yes, Definitely check out Howard Zinn too, especially "the peoples history of the united states"... and Chris Hedges too! You certainly wont see him on MSM anymore!
Dito.
"If we don't have the right to live, you don't have the right to rule." -Dangerous words. Kings don't like hearing that. Pope's don't like hearing that. So called 'presidents' don't wanna hear it either.
Corporate Fascists now control
You should watch what Noam said about forced vaccinations and separating people from society if they don't do as the state tells them.
Everyone is a working class hero when the powers at be are against you, the moment they are not the working class powers disapear faster than under any monarc.
Yeah, yeah we are all "comrades" until the revolution is a fact then the red bourgeoisie is formed! We've already been there! It's all talk before the revolution once the ruling class is gone, a new ruling class takes its place!
@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 You might take some comfort knowing that the people who start revolutions are rarely the ones who wind up in power at the end. In fact tens of thousands of Mao's minions, and Stalin's cronies were disappeared in the middle of the night.
And anyone gearing up for WW3, anyone joining a militia or a ''resistance group'' is gonna be without a seat when the music stops. One good reason Trump's Waffle House Junta didn't work is technology has gone beyond their ability to hide AND reach out to each other. They betray themselves all the time.
Well tough.
Just love the sarcasm he's using. Love Chomsky!
I always, ALWAYS, learn something from this man, even after all these decades.
Same. ...Some say that people go through a "Chomsky Phase" and then it passes. For me, my phase started almos 20 yrs. ago, and still every time I find another lecture/talk, it gets added to the playlist, and still keep learning. +1 +1 +1
@@garretttedeman elaborate on the "chomsky phase" meaning?
A.G.I Will be man's last invention
Just yesterday I was reading his phenomenal book, Year 501, on the hypocrisy of U.S approach to Japanese war guilt while at the same time they had totaled Vietnam. I cannot recommend it enough for anyone who is only familiar with the textbook history of European expansion and the legacy of violence..
Actual Research What book please do recommend
John Baron It's called Year 501: The Conquest Continues
Actual Research Thanks
I don't know if it's hypocrisy, as I don't know that the US has an official stance on the atrocities committed by the Japanese military during WW1 and 2. In my experience, albeit anecdotal, the same people who refuse to face US complicity in the devastation of Vietnam are the ones who don't think Japan has anything to apologize for. The reverse is also true, and is a legitimate litmus to separate left and right ideologues.
You mention "US official stance on the atrocities committed by the Japanese military during WW1..."
What Japanese atrocities in WW1? What US official stance?
It probably only means that you don't know what you are talking about.
So crazy to listen to this in 2020 and see how absolutely right he was. Wow.
What are we going to do without Chomsky ... there's no one like him....
Ah - I see this is a talk by Professor Noam Chomsky, which was given on March 4, 1997 - just 10 year before it all blew up again
Still applicable even more so today, unfortunately.
The world needs more Noam Chomskys.
I can only encourage everyone here to read his books, they’re fascinating & they changed my life; as does all informative education. “Manufacturing Consent” is a probably his most famous example on the role of the media in our society. Another brilliant book examining the US & it’s foreign policy post world war 2, you’ll learn so much it’s incredible “Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance’.
This is Chomsky at his most surprisingly optimistic, in that these cycles of social change go up and down pretty steadily, but that the upwards trends tend to get gradually better over time, with the disclaimer at the end that who knows if we're going to go in a downwards or upwards direction next!
1997
Thanks, I was wondering.
This is especially relevant today in the age of corona virus
This is the 40th of 100 speeches that I watch to make research on public speaking. Now I've come across a new feature which I kind of didn't notice before. Even though most of the speeches I watched were made by politicians, they didn't sound as authoritative as "the father of modern linguistics." I immediately recalled Jordan Peterson's lectures and realized why I liked them, being able to listen to them for hundreds of hours. The conviction with which one talks about his subject is very catching; it's one of the things that almost impossible to fake. Recently, I watched many speeches made by famous entrepreneurs like Bezos and Jobs. They made me bored in a couple of days and I had little motivation to carry on my research. Now, I'm refreshed and ready to continue. Chomsky, by the way, was one of my role models when I started studying English. His idea that language is mostly about thinking and not communication was one of the best discoveries that I made trying to develop my theory of thinking in English.
Chomsky on his own speaking style: "proudly boring."
speaking with forceful conviction doesn't mean you are right. But great for winning debates and getting elected to public office!
history is a bunch of lies we've all agreed upon..Napoleon Bonaparte.Chomsky has a very interesting mind thanks for the uploads
I'm not sure how much people agree on...especially when people start ascribing virtue/non-virtue to the various actors. We used to have the "savage primitive native" myth and now we have the "oppressed innocent victim" myth.
I still hold that true 🤣
@@napoleonbonaparte7862 of course you would 🤣
March 4, 1997
I was wondering when this was...he looks much younger. Thanks
Yes, he looks so old now.
"you have all these rule, and you think they'll save you", in relation to laws written outside the bounds of practical applicable reality. Rules are fonts on paper.
idea of people not having right to live sounds neatly destilated
What did you mean by this?
Brilliant analysis. Brilliant exposition. Chomsky!!!
Worship your intellectual gatekeeper, that will serve as hope.
His speeches are like academic essays.
It lead to fascism and the great spread of misinformation against those movements in which it would hold those structures of power accountable
"Or it could lead to fascism, nobody knows". Trump's almost got us there Noam.
yes, agreed.
@Language and Programming Channel A moderate fascist? Absolutely.
@BetaMax46 Well said
@Language and Programming Channel LMAO
This comment was a year ago....Only time will tell who’s comments aged well
I recommend Mishra's book, The Age of Anger, for anyone interested in 'human affairs' and the myth of the 'end of history', as well as arguments against the romanticist view on Western civilization.
i gotchu www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=the+age+of+anger&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=174240821750&hvpos=1t1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5459194527093504603&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9021758&hvtargid=kwd-273584714070&ref=pd_sl_7del60nfwq_e
Well, his aversion to make/form grandiose theories yet not being an empiricist makes him truly interesting to say the least.
Scary thoughts, but I agree, predicting the future is like predicting the weather, unless one is in a position to direct policy with the muscle to enforce ones ideology using military or law enforcement, fascism, authoritarian rule...
"If we dont have the right to live, you dont have the right to rule." Damn, why did it take me 40 years to finally understand the real meaning of the bible:"if we don't have the right to live, you dont have the right to rule!"
Sorry its not lining up for me? Care to explain? If youre talking about adam and eve, then he gave them not only the right to live, but to live forever. If God gives life to all how would he say he doesnt have the right? If you mean the devil that kills, then absolutely i agree.
Who knows the more you learn the more uncertain things go !! Just have faith in love I suppose
It's all about information. Say it again. Manipulation and control of the facts.
What a bright mind 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Adam Smith weird ideas lol! Ok... Adam Smith was a total genius and he's ideas are as valid today and is one of the finest political thinkers we have had. What a pompous dillutional take! Rest was brilliant tho! Also the humility of saying hey, we don't know we're we are going is commendable and stoic.
It isn't obvious from this clip, but from hearing Chomsky speak and write about Adam Smith, his comment about Smith having 'lots of funny ideas' is probably sarcastic. Chomsky has spoken positively of Adam Smith and has pointed out how Smith tends to be worshipped like a saint by neoliberals but seldom understood. He categorises Smith as a pre-capitalist classical liberal who pointed out and predicted the dangers of the sort of neoliberal economic order that now dominates the global economy. I think the 'funny ideas' that he is referring to in this clip are likely the ideas of Smith on things like the division of labour, global trade and unregulated global capital flows. Things that Chomsky considers prescient points that neoliberals (or mercantilists of his time) would categorise as 'funny ideas'.
does anyone know of a fairly recent book that covers this theory of the repetition of the end of history?
Chomsky a high priest of The Cathedral.
2:35 Capitalism 101
5:30: "America's leading labor historian David Montgomery", who joined the Communist Party at the height of Stalin's terror and show trials in the 1950s, and stayed in the party all through those years, leaving only a year after Kruschev's famous revelations at the 20th congress of the CPSU in 1956. In sum, one of the last die hard true believers to leave among western intellectuals.
I did assume 'leading labour historian' meant a Marxist crackpot of some sort (Howard Zinn is probably a bit Jingo for Noam) but it's so much better to actually know. Thank you for that. I've learned something.
@@b.alexanderjohnstone9774 Lol, certainly "crackpot" is a given whenever the person is being cited approvingly by Chomsky as a "leading" whatever. Naturally none of this would bother a Chomsky cult member.
@@sheilamacdougal4874 I'm curious to talk to you about this because I want to hear your beliefs and what you disagree with about Noam. For example, idk much about communism but am curious why this discredits David Montgomery (I also have no idea about the history you're referencing). Also, do you mean "true believer" of communism?
@@chasebell1414 Do you know anything about the former Soviet Union, and its dictator for 3 decades, Joseph Stalin? Feel free to look them up, and then decide whether a supporter through all the atrocities discredits himself.
@@sheilamacdougal4874 damn... Stalin brought some heavy destruction to this world... just looked it up and read about the famines and ethnic cleansing and repression.
A question I have for you is: does being in the communist party at the same time as Stalin being in power mean that he really supported Stalin? To me that seems like a tad bit too general of a claim to discredit his entire validity yk?
earth isnt a light switch bro
Looks like it’s all blowing up again
Oh, the four sorts of creatures that surround the Castle are the Pythons, the Toads, the Badgers and the Unfledged Falcons. [...]
These pythons sometimes call themselves the intelligentsia, sometimes the gnostics. They are not knowing, though, they are fools.
The revenants are the toads. They sleep or they die under stones for years or centuries, and then they come out from under the stones. But there is either a legend or fairy tale of the toad with a jewel set in his head. These returners really have the jewel, and it may be the jewel of knowledge. They have this bright thing, just as the pythons have their prophecy; and I wish we had it ourselves.
The unfledged falcon appears more reptilian than the reptiles. But sometimes it grows, it is fledged, it flies. At its best, to me, it is only mediocre: it was the Crusades; it was the Ottoman Empire (an interloper); it is firm but doltish authority. At its worst it is the fascist thing. But it is fledged only as a reaction: I see a present example of it.
What are the badgers? They entrench in the earth and we retain an old empire. I don’t joke. Ours is the real; but even if I should tell you all about it you would regard us as a network of lodges or curious societies or comical conventions. Can you not see that it is your apparent government and world that is these things?
This sort of 'repetition' only seems to occur in the Western hemisphere from my limited knowledge.
OOOH very interesting!
8:34 Well, you were right about fascism.
5:13 what specifically is he referring to? I would like to look more into this but don't even know what to look up
The start of mine worker strikes that led to mine owners getting support from nat'l guard & police to slaughter strikers. In PA, 1891 - Morewood massacre. In 1897 a notorious incident was the Lattimer Massacre. Plenty more strikes to come over the decades in various mining areas across the US. In CO 1914, there was the Ludlow Massacre where Nat'l Guard did the slaughtering & they also killed women & children.
"England" is analogous to about half the thirteen colonies -
England does not compare to "the United States".
How many brains does Norm Chomsky have
@CD NONE! like all LIBTARDS he is BRAIN DEAD AND MINDLESS that espouses nonsense!
@@jephrokimbo9050 He's not a liberal, you fucking CHUD.
This is unfortunately Chomskys way of saying "stop asking for better"
Narrator: It led to fascism.
"...it could end in fascism"..... hmmm.... Trump?
Trump is the begining of the end, but if you think it can't get worse you aren't paying attention.
I think America is moving into fascism very strongly and it is going to get very nasty for the whole world. john, Cape Town, South Africa.
Your comment was five months ago. How about now? Tiki torches, white supremacists, confederal flags, alt-left, alt-right, antifa, and actual nazis... Chomsky was right even in his simple remark.
more like the tea party and the populist far (I refuse to use the term 'alt') right taking over the GOP. trump is just a byproduct of the phenomenon.
Arman yea not looking to great to be honest.
A.G.I Will be man's last invention
He noted the cycle could lead to something like the movement in the sixties, and it did, after occupy and sunrise here's a remarkable inflexion point after George Floyd's death and the rise of the intersectional BLM movement. Makes sense since there was still so much more to achieve after the 60s but who would have guessed it was gonna be this way. Chomsky love :)
Spends an entire lecture talking about how the future can't really be predicted. Then he just casually predicts that fascism could arise (and it surely did). How does he do it?
Chomsky reads history.
Chomsky researches history. It allows him some form of predictions from past cycles, but he covers himself by then disavowing predictions because the future, in spite of cycles, is too un-predictably volatile.
_"How does he do it ?"_
The same way _you_ would, if you were interested in any subject. On some level, we may not be "Chomskies", but we all have some form of deductive reasoning ; human experience ; subjugated by the same system (s).
The people in control of this system only change their tactics & strategies ( Obama ) ; they themselves, rarely change ; when they do, it's to become deadlier in their schemes-of-bullshit ( Obama ).
Who am I to correct this great intellectual, but I do wish he would not have used ‘England’ to refer to the United Kingdom....
Very interesting 🤔... professor Chomsky....so humanity repit it's self same principal stupidity...
whats the likelihood that the public turn away from foreign policy and politics? record of predicting human affairs, you might as well draw lots. you do something about it you don't predict it.
- there's a cycle in America and England history since the 1820s, the two most addvanced and democratic society since the early 1820s. repepated periods hailed as end of history and guys who ought to run the place run everything. 2 periods where things were a disaster. England in the 1830s, was one examplle.
--- Remember Adam Smith was not the founder of Classical Economics, he was pre-capitalist and had weird ideas. Something like neo-liberalism is found in Ricardo, Mathus and other economist of that period. They had to teach a new lesson, that humans have no intrinsic value. If you go to feudal society everyone had a place, maybe lousy but a plcae. you had a right to a certain place in society, but there was a new idea coming post- elihtenment, classical liberalism and adam smith(jefferson). That was coming along in England in the 1820s and that was people had no rights, they have only the rights they can obtain in the labor market. If you can't get enough to survive in the labor market than starve or go somewhere else. In the old days you could go somehwere else like US or Austrilia or Canada. That was the message, and its hard to teach people, hard to drive out of heads that humans have intrinsic rights apart from what was gaind in the labor market.
- it looked by the 1830s that it sorta won and was written into legislation. but one problem, british army spent a lot of time putting down rebellions because people couldnt get thru their heads that they dont have rights. Something worse happened, the idea spread that "if we don't have a right ot live you don't have a right to rule" and that was serious. thats when the labor movement organized. the sciece (according to ricardo was equivalent to newton's laws of gravitation) was flexible, you have to have something called social democracy, you have to have a social contract and there is a right to live.
--go back to the 1880s and the same thing seemed to have popped up. talk abotu Perfection, finality, nobody has rights etc. but again it blew up
- wont go on with England because they established a social contract that only changed recently.
- in the US it had a much harsher history. In the 1890s there was a real violent repression of individual rights. The "gay 90s" they wwere gay for some people but not people from Western Pennysylvani who were workers. By the 1920s it really looked perfect. David montgomery, rise and fall of house of labor. Fall of the house of labor is the 1920s, thats when labor was completely smashed. Leading figure of labor movement was in jail, unions smashed, very undemocratic america. But it looked like perfection, finality and then blew up 10 years later, workers tookk over factories.
-US forced into a kind of social contract, called the NEW DEAL. Huge corporate propanganda. 1950s people were cynical and end of ideology, back on track. 1960s blew up again, then right after 60s again the same story, an attempt to narrow sphere of democratic participation, put wealth back where it belongs into the pockets of rich folks.
- repetition not the first time and not a cyclel but a spiral that goes upwards. each period you're better offf than last time. For wexample now theres a problem of defending social security and medical care for poor. Wasn't a problem in the 1920s because there was no social security or medical care. and in the 1960s there was no problem of defending medical care because there wasnt any. if you look case by casse you would see graduall growth in civilization(value judgement). pretty steady change in something which is a recognition of some kind of intrinsic human rights. You get it beaten down then you start at a higher level.
Wjere does it go next? no one can predict, you can say you're in a familiar period and could lead to a movement like the 60s and 30s or it could lead to fascism. no one knows.
Francis book didnt age well.
How so? I don't know anything about it
when did he give this talk?
March 4, 1997
thanks!
His assertiveness about every detail of the history of ideas or of History in general, of which he is no expert (how could he?), the way he formulates his radical interpretations as if they were some kind of abc that you just need to be aware of before you start thinking, punctuated by snide jokes or mumbled allusions to thinkers that he knows all about and you don't and he does not have the time to elaborate, is totally unsufferable, almost irrespective of the value of individual judgements or points, here and there (some of them being trite: yes, the poor are better off materially than they were two centuries ago and yes, it happened in part through political strife). The more I hear him, the more I think one of his huge talents was to project intellectual authority, with tone of voice, gestures of the hand, subtle facial expressions, and rhetorical shennaningans ("You have to remember..." about something which could be disputed, etc...). And it sure worked, at least in the US!
It's easiest to attack a person's mannerisms when you can't attack their ideas.
@@borbalbuddy Well, I think some of his ideas are trite, as I say in my text. I could elaborate, I have under other videos, but you are right, I was talking mostly about his mannerisms. For someone who has lent himself to being filmed and interviewed on this gigantic scale, it is not irrelevant. And it could be that form and content have some relationship, after all.
🤣..history will not end. 🥱
It is a matter of lógic What history or story and most of the time for kids is. For example generations of Brasilians learned from school that Brasil was discovered by the best men in the ocean by acident. Let's go tô India. Omg! There aren't elefants. Where are we? Pass me mirror. Hi here a gift for you. You are?
...it could lead to fascism... That was a prescient comment by Chomsky, considering the direction of the U.S., Brazil, Poland, and other nations that have elected proto-fascist leaders or are electing proto-fascist representatives.
The Trump/GOP tax breaks, coupled with the continuation of Reagan's policies and unregulated, unfettered capitalism, will lead to another big recession or depression within the next twenty years. Who will bail out Wall Street then? The majority of American people are out of money and interest rates cannot drop below 0%
Wouldn't they just create / print more fiat money ?
@@cliffgaither How much more can we print? Most of it goes to the 1% and their corporations, so the middle, working, and lower classes in the US continue to lose economic standing each time the rich are give another trillion of our tax dollars.
@@HeathWatts ::
Yeah ! I can't fully-understand this endless creation of money ! It has no real value. Why do they continue ?
today probably fascism again.
I know i should watch news. But it is so boring
What I don’t understand is why someone like Chomsky, a person of this intellectual caliber, can come to Brazil to visit a pathetic petty thief in jail (Lula) and offer him support.. I just don’t get it at all
You should look at what is done. Look at the scholarly research. I'm not saying he was either good or bad. Before you judge Lula, search for studies on what happened during his two presidential terms. You can look for studies on scholar.google.com.
He's an intellectual fraud. He's always wrong about everything.
He probably is a CIA asset.
Yeah Fascism!
Prof Chomsky's interpretation of Ricardo and Malthus are inaccurate.
I have no idea what either of them are really about but what makes you say this
Ahem...kurzweil