Why Cunard Queen Anne was always going to struggle on the Transatlantic?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ม.ค. 2025
- Queen Anne's maiden transatlantic crossing has been tough going for the ship, with her arrival into New York delayed by 24 hours. But this isn't really a surprise. Let's explore why!
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The Queen Mary 2 is the largest ocean liner ever made and gives the smoothest Atlantic crossing possible , in my opinion. The Queen Mary 2 is a technological masterpiece, and I do hope she isn't the last Ocean Liner ever built .
@GreatEasternMainlineSpots It will always be niche, but QM2 is usually full and reportedly profitable. Whether that's the case at the end of her service life in 20 years remains to be seen, but there's currently incentive to keep one true liner going and that may be the case into the future as well.
this is one of the only reasons I hope titanic 2 does get made
Thanks so much for this video!!! No doubt QA is a beautiful ship, but let’s never forget what makes the QM2 liner so very special. May she not be the last of her kind.
QM2 really is special!
I’ve found it fascinating to watch some of the footage from Queen Anne this past week. I did worry about this week after seeing people on QM2 last week - looks like quite a wild ride out there!
Safe sailing, Chris, and great video as always!
Really interesting Chris. I already understood the differences between a cruise ship and ocean liner, but your video highlighted these with a fresh perspective.
At the end of October, we were on board the Queen Mary 2 and we were delayed by technical difficulties and an ill passenger who had to be flown ashore (meaning as the Captain said, "We steamed 400 miles that day, but mostly in the wrong direction." He also informed us that due to environmental regulations regarding smoke stack emissions, the max speed of the ship is now capped at 28 knots.
Glad we did it on QM2 last week 👍
We Spent 26 Days On The QM2 She Was Definitely The Most Robust And Stable Vessel We Have Ever Had The Pleasure To Sail On. Thank You For Sharing Chris
She really is a special ship.
QM2 is an amazing, beautiful ship! I've been blessed to sail on her 3 times. 2 trans-Atlantics and a NY-Canada-NY sailing.
I did a roundtrip on QM2 and a crossing...it is a masterpiece of Ocean Liner, and the only I will use for my crossings to the States or back to old Europe. I had a cruise on Queen Anne...nice but not equal in any sense with QM2, the difference between cruise ship and ocean liner, is if you drive a city car and a luxury car.
Agree...only one way to cross the Atlantic comfortably is on Queen Mary 2. I arrange my travel schedule/studies around her schedule.
I was on the maiden voyage on Queen Anne in May. Your seminars were the highlight of my cruise…. And it was great meeting you!
That’s so kind of you to say!! Thanks so much Andy!
QM2 for me ❤
Thank you for explaining the difference
My pleasure!
Great video Chris! I was on the same crossing as you in 2019. Great talk onboard! Just got your new book yesterday and am looking forward to reading it.
That's amazing! Thank you! I hope you enjoy the book. It was a great voyage.
When designing the Rotterdam VI the designer made changes to her cruise ship style hull in order to make her handle seas better. These included changing the shape of her hull and increasing her speed. They should have made similar changes to the 3 most recent Queens to make them more liner like of not exactly a full liner.
Very well said Chris, the reality of physics and weather theory is giving reason to Stephen Payne's design! QM2 is indeed unique, even 20 years later her design is still up to date and more advanced.
At least there was no damage on QA. I don't understand why they allowed her on a January north crossing, what did they expect? QV is also crossing but further south. Does QA have some kind of hull reinforcement on the bow as QV does?
Thank you for the video!
Very interesting Chris. Yes there is a reason why some Classification Society's have a WNA (Winter North Atlantic) load line assigned to certain cargo ships. This allows increased freeboard for these vessels during the harsh winter conditions on the North Atlantic.
Very clear video. But the question remains - why has the Queen Anne been assigned a route that does not suit her?
I remember when Carnival's Spirit class (based on the Vista Hull) was introduced, it was stated that they were designed with a higher cruising speed so that they could reach further ports than would otherwise be possible on the standard 7 or 8 day cruise. I have also seen some tracking data that have had some of those Spirit class ships reaching 23-24 knots
That’s an interesting point!
I had better check the schedule. I’m supposed to sail on the 18th and she was scheduled in on the 17th. I hope I don’t have to fork out for another night in the hotel!
I hope it all works out for you!
I’ve crossed the Atlantic on both QM2 and Queen Victoria along side Queen Elizabeth maiden voyage back in 2011
Hi Chris. QM2 never sails ar 30knots as per marine ais tracking. Her maximum ever speed on record is 26 knots.
Only because wall street bean counters want economy and rule over ship engineers who would prefer performance. I know this. That's how it is on Rotterdam Holland America LInes. Rotterdam can do 30 but for economical reasons only does 22 for efficiency savings on fuel consumption.
I slept through the 10m waves!
I think my first crossing, in 2005, did it in 5 days, six nights. I don't remember the time on my next one, in 2007.
It's pretty clear that the turbines are no longer being used, as it's much quieter now, up on Deck 13!
The gas turbines are only used for the boosts of extra speed as needed, these days! Back in 2004/05 they’d be on regularly and wow, was she fast!!
This isn't too surprising to learn, as Queen Anne moved around more than her other current Cunard fleet mates when we were aboard in August 2024 in the North Sea and Norwegian fjords. Compared to Lizzie and Vicky, she wasn't as smooth a ride and we wondered how she'd survive the North Atlantic. On the other hand, QM2 hardly moves, apart from the slight horizontal side-to-side motion in rough seas with some pitching, like the Category 8 storm mid-Atlantic when crossing in 2012. In 2023, she was very stable en route to Liverpool. My partner remarked not feeling her move until the third day. Queen Anne is far different from her sisters and seems to lack the glamour, the refinement and the happy crew of her sisters. While this may have been down to the teething issues of her maiden season, the lax standards onboard in terms of passenger dress, kids running around, the tiny Queens Room, and football games broadcast in the main pool area, made it more akin to a standard Carnival ship Our friends cancelled their next booking aboard her and the experience shocked us enough to ensure we'd never sail aboard her again. This was a view echoed by many other passengers on that August 2024 voyage.
Totally agree about QM2 and her stability - an amazing ship. I think Queen Anne was aimed to appeal to a new group of cruisers - she’s quite different from the other Queens.
Il n’est pas construit pour ça . C’est pas le QM2
I wish you'd be lecturing on QM2 last week. The ocean liner lecture was dire, he was rambling/ confused. Said we would be arriving in Plymouth in July - we were arriving in Southampton in January! He didn't even get the dates of WW2 right 🤷
Brilliant video, as ever by the way...
Ohhhhh my!!!! 🫠
Yikes! Accept no substitutes?
I will be on the Queen Victoria for a January 2027 transatlantic. I hope her design limitations don't make her late into New York. The tandem crossing with QE2 was reassuring however. I don't see why QA doesn't have a strengthened bow?!
Queen Anne is fabulous!
I always wondered why didn’t Cunard have ordered QM3 as a symbol of the three funnels on rms QM it would make sense too
I'm surprised about QA being late because of weather. Vicky and Lizzy didn't seem to have a problem with it. I wonder if QA is under powered?
She is knots slower than Lizzie and Vicky and also didn’t have the same modifications to her hull that the Vista-sisters did.
I don't understand why they would send a half-way house cruiser across the Atlantic in January, and still expect to keep timescales. QA looks rather top-heavy and I wouldn't like a top deck cabin during rough weather. No benefit to passengers either, with probably a lot of events and shows cancelled in the heaviest of seas. Was this a positioning voyage or a planned cruise?
It was the start of the world cruise and I’m also unsure as to why Queen Anne was sent on such a northerly route in January. I don’t think the HAL Pinnacle class ships have done this route.
Was curious why QA is crossing the Atlantic in winter…wouldn’t it be best to cross in better conditions since she’s not an ocean liner or at least more dual purpose like QV? Such a lovely new ship…wouldn’t want to put her in harm’s way.
I’m not too sure on why they opted to send Anne on a direct northerly passage. I don’t think the other Pinnacle class ships do this route.
There is a TH-cam video of Queen Elizabeth handling a Force 11 gale during what I believe was a tandem crossing with QM2 back in 2011 (No doubt many of you have seen it - with spray splashing the windows of the Commodore Club.) I don't recall that the two ships arrived late - so was the Elizabeth built to stronger standards? This crossing makes Queen Anne seem like a floating barge. What I don't get is if cruise lines are going to send "cruise ships" on long 'grand' voyages entailing crossing the ocean shouldn't the ship be built to handle all sorts of weather? Otherwise, let it paddle around home waters. And with Queen Anne having only two propulsion pods what happens if one fails - say in gale force weather?
QE and QV are both faster than QA and have the modified bow - both of which does help when they are hit by heavy seas.
Would you say the Vista class ships handle the Transatlantic better for example Queen Victoria aka Vicky? I've heard she is a great ship.
I’d still prefer QM2 😂
I hope the Normadie 2 gets created some day, even tho she didn't belong to Cunard, I'd love to see someone recreate her, but obviously respecting her as a recreation of an Ocean liner, and not making her design as a cruise
it would def be a better idea than titanic 2
Wont ever happen I’m afraid. To recreate the extraordinary luxury of the Normandie combined with modern technology would be cost prohibitive. 🥲
@paullewis2413 I agree with the furniture side, she was way too futuristic for her time and, seeing videos about Normandie's interiors photos in color, makes me think that that ocean liner's death was way too tragic, and a recreation, perhaps, won't get the exact meaning of seeing, that 30's ocean liner, in person, with such unique characteristics, that I find extremely hard to replicate nowadays, like, that beauty looked way more futuristic that cruise ships nowadays, if it was built in the 2050 somehow, even her exteriorl design
If CMA CGM (the modern day French line) were to re-create a modern day Normandie, that is definitely a ship that I would love to sail on. So many of the features of the Normandie would struggle in the modern day though, including the SOLAS regulations particularly relating to fire, only 2 suites on the entire ship had balconies, the dress requirements and the first class decor was so over the top and formal it would probably bomb with today's cruisers. Not to mention the Normandie had no buffet. :)
QM2 has a few Normandie style features. Perhaps she’s as close as we will get to experiencing that legendary French flagship!
I think Ambassadors Ambience can do a better job to Norway from Tilbury without problems old school ship not plastic like Queen Anne
Ambience is a great ship!
A modern ship like the Queen Anne would probably fare just as well on the Atlantic as most of the 20th century ocean liners.
ah yes, a cruise ship designed for calm water and slow moving would fair just as well as a purpose built ocean liner designed specifically to laugh at the sea, makes total sense
Queen Victoria has sailed transatlantic many times and she isn’t an ocean liner either. I’ve seen plenty of other cruise lines sail Europe to Canada and they aren’t liners either. Bit of a stretch to suggest QM2 is the only vessel fit for this purpose.
QM2 is the only vessel built for purpose. I do mention this in the video. Cruise ships can do transatlantic but the reason QM2 makes it look like a piece of cake while the cruise ships often struggle is because QM2 is built for the Atlantic. Cruise ships are built for pleasure voyages.
PS: I also covered off on why QV and QE are better at the Atlantic than many of their cruise ship contemporaries.
@@ChrisFrameOfficial fair enough I understand your points I think I was just reacting to the overreaction of others (on different videos/threads) who were talking about QA’s performance in rough weather as almost catastrophically bad. I sailed on her earlier this month on a 4 day return cruise to Hamburg and, whilst I recognise the North Sea can’t be compared to the North Atlantic, the seas south of Hamburg were really rough on day 3 and I was hugely impressed by how little you could feel it.
@ no worries at all - I just wanted to make the point in the video that the ship isn't alone in her challenge on the Atlantic as QM2 is really the only one built for that kind of service. I also found Queen Anne fine in the choppy Bay of Biscay.
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Queen Mary beautiful ship Queen Anne horrible
Dumb video, you answers your own questions and comparing apples to oranges.
Hi Scott. Try watching the video a few more times. You’ll get it eventually. If you’re making orange juice with apples, it’s probably good to know why it was never going to work out quite the way you expected. Happy sailing.
This video was created for answer quetions about QA handling characteristic in such worse conditions. I and some other have been asked about did cunard give some alteration in her hull design to make it more capable for handling transatlantic route. As this was done before on QV and QE. So we have know that cunard didnt give the same treatment and it was a bit let down.