I think you might be conflating stoicism with pacivity. A stoic person isn't someone who just takes whatever life throws at them without complaint, and does nothing to change their circumstances. A stoic person is instead someone who recognizes WHAT you cannot control, and by extension doesn't let the things that can't be controlled bother them. That means what you can do, you do, because it is a virtuous thing that you are doing. By being a virtuous person inward, you can make positive change outward by strengthening yourself, and by extension the people around you you can change and influence.
Hello, this is correct. There seems to only a surface level understanding of stoic principles in the video. Scrit seemingly ignores the stoic virtue of wisdom in order to make the stoic seem stubbornly unable to evaluate their obstacles and options, and act accordingly. Bad take stemming from misunderstanding.
@@CandyThePuppy In fact, the stoic writings actively encourage community involvement and political engagement towards preferable change. This is discussed in one of the 4 main virtues of the philosophy: courage, which Scrit conviniently ignores. He also ignores wisdom in order to paint stoics as unable to recognize systemic problems. Scrit suuuuuuuuper missed the mark on this. Dude is complaining about stoicism being misrepresented online and then proceeds to base his argument on these reductionist representations. BOOOOOO
‘AndrewChumKaser’ and other comments do have a point here, you seem to mistake some detail about Stoicism with other there (and the fact there are more to it that you hadn’t researched enough. Like the part about ‘only focus on what you can control’ part)
@@nathanielholzgrafe5274 Conveniently, sure. Assumptions over assumptions over assumptions, I hope you get paid well for over reacting with no regards that a person can also get things wrong genuinely. But sure, let's pretend he did ignores on purpose, no benefit of doubts put, so I can fit my big words there and play the smart kid of the situation, absolutely.
I think that stoicism is meant to be moreso a guideline rather than the only philosophy to follow. It's an idea that helps you to find better ways of solving a problem, but in the same way that emotion, ideals and religion can be manipulated maliciously, so can a philosophical branch. Do what is the best option for the situation, not what your ideals and emotions tell you alone.
It is, and its the same with any philosophy. Whatever you follow, it's important and okay that you always keep an open and critical mind. Being stoic has really helped me in the past and continues to, but I'm flexible enough to understand, practice and follow lots of different schools of thought.
I agree with both your takes on stoicism's toxic fundamentalism and what the comments are saying about it sounds more like you're talking about passivity over stoicism. But, I think a big part of stoicism is that it's up to you to decide what can and can't be changed. Stoicism is super individualistic and thus you'll get a different definition every second stoicist you ask. Someone would say you can't change your pay grade, while some people would argue you can. It's like saying "be realistic," that phrase just doesn't work, ever. Cos everyone has a different view on what being realistic is
"It's all about that grind." I say, receiving a massage and smoking a cigar while checking on the profits of my stoicism classes that I don't run or manage.
0:15 you should watch those since it’s clear your understanding of stoicism is akin to those seen in AI slop videos I’m no stoic myself but this is such a huge mischaracterization of the philosophy. It was never about passivity and endurance of pain. In fact, if anything it pushes for avoidance of unnecessary suffering
@ I know he mentions them but at no point does he compare and contrast with the classical branch of stoicism. He just calls it all the same and argues against positions that have never represented what the philosophy stood for
Thorfin would cry to hear this for sure and your right alot of what you said was right there's more to be said and thnks for the vid This will help others so much
🙌 Yes, Sir, and thank you for this modern glance back; this contemporary gesture at the incorporation of ancient ideas in a world of complicated plenty. - the original stoics lived, very literally; out of pocket, and this included all of the ‘Ways’. The ancient world was mentally stabilized by these ‘pocket-philosophies’ that one could deploy on the spot. Basing its actions on the gigantic hands of celestial objects (the Sun, Moon and seasonal phases). - Your triumph here is the Translation of an Ancient Idea into our connected, recorded, lawed, exampled and learned world of subtle consequence. Rightly so, Stoicism can, and should; only be applicable to what the philosophy was developed for- the stability of a Responsible Individual! From there the modern Stoic, collected and calm; can apply themselves to all the modern responsibilities of a Civic Person- Influential and Compassionate through a Golden Rule of reflection and relativism. - if a critic were to look at the collection of functioning philosophies in our daily life, they would discover the thousands of imbedded concepts like Friendship, Neighborliness, Love, Community and the Ethical Medians that maintain its Pedestrian Levels. Stoicism is finding its place in our modern society, offering a WAY to anchor your heart and present a Social Example of Excellence to those seeking a Pillar. All of our dreams and ambition follow. - as always, 🥣 More, Please!
I gotta add something here for around 11:41 in the vid with regards to the writers strike. I think what you're conflating is two different issues. The main issue and reason that so many people were mad at the writers during the strike for VERY different reasons than just the money. In the post covid environment you had a lot of working class stiffs having issues picking up where their jobs had been left off after two plus years of semi shut downs while seeing an entire class of people who never lost any work during that time in jobs that were also not only safer, but were allowed to continue with no interruptions (with salaries in the five digits no less). It also didn't help that some of the spokespeople they chose for their movement turned out to be rich people like Adam Conover buying expensive toys like Switches during the strike, then proceeding to pump out pictures of the purchase during said strike taking about how important it was for him to get said console for the strike. Not to mention that alot of the politics being explained by writers in the WGA Union at Midnight's Edge or Film Threat by script writers like Scriptwriter about how current DEI policies at most major studios were now screwing a variety of males and women of all races in the field to favor nepo baby and sensitivity reader scam marketing types for ever more generic writer rooms, had destroyed most of the active talent pool that should be there along with screwing the pooch on streaming royalties (or used as an excuse to screw writers). Combine that with an increasingly hostile intersectional socialist storytelling that's openly being written to be openly hostile to the viewing public and turning them off in droves from the streaming services to the big screen, and you have recipe for a failed labour movement that seems clueless and that loses all public sympathy. Most of those writers AREN'T Jreg or Sam Hyde or Harlan Ellison types that are doing that type of provocative work in media. So no the public turning on the WGA had jack all to do with your Stoicism rant, but is rather a lesson on how having sheer arrogance in a collective fashion to who pays your wages at the end of the day is never the wisest of choices.
I don't think stoicism has moral obligation. It's just a practice that can be collective or individualistic. Good people can use it but so can the bad. What do you guys think though? I'm open to insights or corrections.
My interest in Stoicism is for and foremost the Metaphysics. But the perception of it being so Conservative today is how it was corrupted by Romans like Cato the Younger, the Stoics of the 2nd and 3rd Century BC were revolutionaries who had a vision for a better Communist world and did take action toward achieving that in Sparta and Pergamon. Of course these modern TH-cam Self Help style videos are a boiler plate watered version of even that more conservative Roman Stoicism which at least produced nuanced political figures like Seneca. The true Stoics for Anime are a number of my favorite Kuuderes, and the most Stoic story is Final Fantasy VII.
I actually have PTSD from a lifetime of toxic workplaces. I know this because I have cPTSD -- as do many who put up with such toxicity in their adult lives. Stoicism is only a good tool when you're backed into a corner and can't fight your way out. Yet. Don't worry; you will.
@@littlemoth4956 Oxford Dictionary Definition: the endurance of pain or hardship without the display of feelings and without complaint. Granted, it *is* more nuanced than that, but you don't need a philosophy degree to understand it. Stoicism has saved me a few times in my life -- once when I was being half-heartedly strangled by my ex screaming in my face how much he hated me. For hours. The others were similar but not quite as violent. Nor as personal. In all those instances, stoicism was my best friend. In this way, it often brings to mind Bernini's The R*pe of Prosperina. I think the sculpture symbolizes stoicism at its finest. All the other hundred+ times, though, the thing that saved me was action. Definitely not a stiff upper lip. I'm going to have to side with our fearless narrator on this one.
"What if its literally impossible, man?" Isn't a great argument... Just because you before finding a solution doesn't mean there was never a solution to be found...
I think you're oversimplifying a philosophy in this way by inherently making it extremely dichotomous, which isn't the case. Either that, or I'm speaking from a Hindu perspective, whose philosophy has a lot in common with Stoicism plus more. For example, when it comes to what you can and cannot control, it also applies to the minute details of life, not merely major actions, and what you can control can (and usually does) carries some semblance of responsibility in terms of your actions. This also means, of course, voting for a party you have faith in or campaigning for change knowing you have no direct control over the outcome of that campaign.
This is the problem with anything though. What something is meant to mean vs what it ends up meaning are two different things and unfortunately, the former doesn't matter at all. Language even does this. There are plenty of words that have definition and when enough people use it wrong, it changes definition. Because meaning is only solidified by how people use it. It doesn't matter the intent. It matters the action at the end. Tons of religious passages, tons of words, tons of philosophies ideas and heck, even calling what we have now AI are not what their intent was or don't even qualify as being what people think they are. Decimated is frequently used wrong. People interchange jealousy and forget envy exists as a term. About a million different terms changed meaning. People use Schrodinger's cat incorrectly (it was mean to show how the Copenhagen interpretation doesn't matter or make sense. People use it the opposite) And there are tons of passages in various religious texts taken word for word or interpreted different than historical context. All you can do is change it after the fact, but it needs to be acknowledge that something written/defined as something doesn't matter when people as a majority use it differently. It changes meaning. It changes what it's "meant" to come across as. This is even worse in situations where something isn't universally defined in the first place and so talking about it means totally different things to different people. Most things we learn, including language are based on how they are used, not dictionary definition or historical context.
While i agree that people have mistaken being stoic for being a asshole, i think you also kinda mixed on the fact that stoic people always endure what life throws at you, stoicism says that is ok and you should take action if you are able to, just endure if you literally can't do anything about it
You cannot control whether or not you get a job, you can influence that outcome. You can control the amount of applications you send and how, but you cannot control whether your applications land interviews or not. You can influence how well the applications are received, but you cannot control who reads them and how they interpret them. Basically, they are two separate concepts because they are two separate words that mean different things.
Ugh, the normie understanding of stoicism. Self-help video slop causing so many problems. What pisses me off that actual stoicism is such a good answer to what you complained about. Emotion vs logic wasn’t even a conceivable problem to the orthodox stoics because emotion IS logic. Logic IS emotion. They belong to the exact same motion in the same way that moving your legs and thinking to walk are part of the same motion of walking. What matters is having the correct judgements/emotions and avoiding the wrong judgements/emotions so you will eventually gain the ability to think/feel right at all times about everything. Harmony with the world and harmony with the self are key to health. Moreover, the VERY political Romans took to stoicism because it DOESNT demand inactivity, and kinda actually encourages political action for the sake of creating a virtuous (which means in harmony with reality) society.
@@HOLDENPOPEmost likely about the video author’s huge mischaracterization of classical stoicism, much like how self help gurus butcher it (except at least here the guy is denouncing the toxic mindset instead of encouraging it, still misrepresenting what the og philosophy is about)
@@littlemoth4956 Ahh yes, don't mind the things you can't change. Except what if something that seems impossible really isn't? Who benefits from you not caring? The people who exploit you.
@alexisvulfiaawenfern8112 You’re jousting with windmills right now because you saw someone oversimplify a concept in a youtube video once and decided that’s what the whole philosophy represents It’s simple really: you have control over which thoughts you entertain and over your actions. That’s it Anything that isn’t that, logically, isn’t in your control. You ought to look for what you CAN do to change the world instead of being a larper who wishes things would change and get mad if they don’t go your way. A literal holocaust survivor arrived at the same conclusion after witnessing all freedoms being taken away from himself and from those around him. “The last of human freedoms is the one to choose a given attitude in the face of any circumstance.” If you know what you control you get to act meaningfully, if you don’t you get to hope someone else solves everything and fall into despair if they don’t
@alexisvulfiaawenfern8112 it's ok I know you didn't have the means to argue for your position in the first place once you begin to think for yourself maybe you can reflect a bit and form your own informed opinions
I believe that a lot about stoicism has been eroded. Stoicism has four core virtues: justice, wisdom, courage, and temperance. A lot of people believe that stoicism is about having a stone face and a cold heart, but that is the corrupted, pop culture influencer flavour of it. Stoicism says that emotions and judgement are not opposites, but instead one and the same. For something to be truly right, it has to feel right and be logically right. Often, memes depict stoicism as the “oh well, my friend/child/lover died, time to carry on”, when it should be “there are things to be done: the task, and my feelings. If one compels me more than the other, I will answer it.” Stoicism is also not passivity either; it is knowing when to act or intervene for the better. I firmly believe in individuality. I firmly believe that every person is a combination of experiences, memories, choices, and ideas that forms a path that could never be followed perfectly. Every person has an ideology that works better for them, everyone has their own preferences, everyone has their own system, everyone has their own fraction of infinity. There is a time and a place for any personality trait and any approach I believe that pieces of different ideologies help you form your distinct, personal philosophy. Maybe some aspects of stoicism will help you, dear reader, perhaps not all of it, and that is perfectly okay. One reason why I feel like Kratos is such a great example of stoicism is when he is in Alfheim with Atreus and Atreus criticises Kratos for his lack of outward emotion. Katros corrects Atreus and says that he is hurt, that is is grieving, that he did love Faye, and we are shown that her absence has an affect on him. Stoics tend to hold emotions to themselves, but that isn’t the rule, it is doing what is needed and nothing more. Kratos is mourning, he is feeling, he is allowing himself a time and place for the mission and survival, and a time and place to breathe while on the road. Is it the best approach? Maybe not. Therapy and venting is helpful for a reason. Is it best for Kratos considering his character and how volatile emotions have caused him to lay waste to all of creation? Yes. As long as he remembers to connect and mourn with Atreus. Remember: the extreme of anything will leave you with its flaws. Stoicism’s greatest flaw that everyone has a limit, even Markus Arelius had to take a permanent break from life to put it TH-cam comment friendly. What is the best for you is the best for you, and unique to you in its nuances.
I think you might be conflating stoicism with pacivity. A stoic person isn't someone who just takes whatever life throws at them without complaint, and does nothing to change their circumstances. A stoic person is instead someone who recognizes WHAT you cannot control, and by extension doesn't let the things that can't be controlled bother them. That means what you can do, you do, because it is a virtuous thing that you are doing. By being a virtuous person inward, you can make positive change outward by strengthening yourself, and by extension the people around you you can change and influence.
Hello, this is correct. There seems to only a surface level understanding of stoic principles in the video. Scrit seemingly ignores the stoic virtue of wisdom in order to make the stoic seem stubbornly unable to evaluate their obstacles and options, and act accordingly. Bad take stemming from misunderstanding.
I was wondering the same thing. Because someone can be both stoic and proactive.
@@CandyThePuppy In fact, the stoic writings actively encourage community involvement and political engagement towards preferable change. This is discussed in one of the 4 main virtues of the philosophy: courage, which Scrit conviniently ignores. He also ignores wisdom in order to paint stoics as unable to recognize systemic problems.
Scrit suuuuuuuuper missed the mark on this. Dude is complaining about stoicism being misrepresented online and then proceeds to base his argument on these reductionist representations. BOOOOOO
‘AndrewChumKaser’ and other comments do have a point here, you seem to mistake some detail about Stoicism with other there (and the fact there are more to it that you hadn’t researched enough. Like the part about ‘only focus on what you can control’ part)
@@nathanielholzgrafe5274 Conveniently, sure. Assumptions over assumptions over assumptions, I hope you get paid well for over reacting with no regards that a person can also get things wrong genuinely. But sure, let's pretend he did ignores on purpose, no benefit of doubts put, so I can fit my big words there and play the smart kid of the situation, absolutely.
I think that stoicism is meant to be moreso a guideline rather than the only philosophy to follow. It's an idea that helps you to find better ways of solving a problem, but in the same way that emotion, ideals and religion can be manipulated maliciously, so can a philosophical branch. Do what is the best option for the situation, not what your ideals and emotions tell you alone.
It is, and its the same with any philosophy. Whatever you follow, it's important and okay that you always keep an open and critical mind. Being stoic has really helped me in the past and continues to, but I'm flexible enough to understand, practice and follow lots of different schools of thought.
I agree with both your takes on stoicism's toxic fundamentalism and what the comments are saying about it sounds more like you're talking about passivity over stoicism. But, I think a big part of stoicism is that it's up to you to decide what can and can't be changed. Stoicism is super individualistic and thus you'll get a different definition every second stoicist you ask. Someone would say you can't change your pay grade, while some people would argue you can. It's like saying "be realistic," that phrase just doesn't work, ever. Cos everyone has a different view on what being realistic is
"It's all about that grind." I say, receiving a massage and smoking a cigar while checking on the profits of my stoicism classes that I don't run or manage.
The SCP Foundation vs Stoicism.
@@StoryTeller796 Brugh
@nightstar9091 there isn't a g in bruh.
0:15 you should watch those since it’s clear your understanding of stoicism is akin to those seen in AI slop videos
I’m no stoic myself but this is such a huge mischaracterization of the philosophy. It was never about passivity and endurance of pain. In fact, if anything it pushes for avoidance of unnecessary suffering
You know he's refering to those weird alpha male never smiling fake stoics who think having emotions is weakness.
@ I know he mentions them but at no point does he compare and contrast with the classical branch of stoicism. He just calls it all the same and argues against positions that have never represented what the philosophy stood for
Thorfin would cry to hear this for sure and your right alot of what you said was right there's more to be said and thnks for the vid
This will help others so much
Feels very similar to something i watched hmmmmmmmmm
Thank you for making this video. I have sometimes been stoic about my opinions on shows and characters I like.
Really needed this ngl
Always love your vids ❤❤❤❤
🙌 Yes, Sir, and thank you for this modern glance back; this contemporary gesture at the incorporation of ancient ideas in a world of complicated plenty.
- the original stoics lived, very literally; out of pocket, and this included all of the ‘Ways’. The ancient world was mentally stabilized by these ‘pocket-philosophies’ that one could deploy on the spot. Basing its actions on the gigantic hands of celestial objects (the Sun, Moon and seasonal phases).
- Your triumph here is the Translation of an Ancient Idea into our connected, recorded, lawed, exampled and learned world of subtle consequence. Rightly so, Stoicism can, and should; only be applicable to what the philosophy was developed for- the stability of a Responsible Individual! From there the modern Stoic, collected and calm; can apply themselves to all the modern responsibilities of a Civic Person- Influential and Compassionate through a Golden Rule of reflection and relativism.
- if a critic were to look at the collection of functioning philosophies in our daily life, they would discover the thousands of imbedded concepts like Friendship, Neighborliness, Love, Community and the Ethical Medians that maintain its Pedestrian Levels.
Stoicism is finding its place in our modern society, offering a WAY to anchor your heart and present a Social Example of Excellence to those seeking a Pillar. All of our dreams and ambition follow.
- as always, 🥣 More, Please!
I definitely needed to hear this one
I gotta add something here for around 11:41 in the vid with regards to the writers strike. I think what you're conflating is two different issues. The main issue and reason that so many people were mad at the writers during the strike for VERY different reasons than just the money. In the post covid environment you had a lot of working class stiffs having issues picking up where their jobs had been left off after two plus years of semi shut downs while seeing an entire class of people who never lost any work during that time in jobs that were also not only safer, but were allowed to continue with no interruptions (with salaries in the five digits no less). It also didn't help that some of the spokespeople they chose for their movement turned out to be rich people like Adam Conover buying expensive toys like Switches during the strike, then proceeding to pump out pictures of the purchase during said strike taking about how important it was for him to get said console for the strike.
Not to mention that alot of the politics being explained by writers in the WGA Union at Midnight's Edge or Film Threat by script writers like Scriptwriter about how current DEI policies at most major studios were now screwing a variety of males and women of all races in the field to favor nepo baby and sensitivity reader scam marketing types for ever more generic writer rooms, had destroyed most of the active talent pool that should be there along with screwing the pooch on streaming royalties (or used as an excuse to screw writers). Combine that with an increasingly hostile intersectional socialist storytelling that's openly being written to be openly hostile to the viewing public and turning them off in droves from the streaming services to the big screen, and you have recipe for a failed labour movement that seems clueless and that loses all public sympathy. Most of those writers AREN'T Jreg or Sam Hyde or Harlan Ellison types that are doing that type of provocative work in media.
So no the public turning on the WGA had jack all to do with your Stoicism rant, but is rather a lesson on how having sheer arrogance in a collective fashion to who pays your wages at the end of the day is never the wisest of choices.
I don't think stoicism has moral obligation. It's just a practice that can be collective or individualistic. Good people can use it but so can the bad. What do you guys think though? I'm open to insights or corrections.
My interest in Stoicism is for and foremost the Metaphysics. But the perception of it being so Conservative today is how it was corrupted by Romans like Cato the Younger, the Stoics of the 2nd and 3rd Century BC were revolutionaries who had a vision for a better Communist world and did take action toward achieving that in Sparta and Pergamon.
Of course these modern TH-cam Self Help style videos are a boiler plate watered version of even that more conservative Roman Stoicism which at least produced nuanced political figures like Seneca.
The true Stoics for Anime are a number of my favorite Kuuderes, and the most Stoic story is Final Fantasy VII.
Preach gng!
IT HAPPY HOUR!!!!!!!
Well said
I actually have PTSD from a lifetime of toxic workplaces.
I know this because I have cPTSD -- as do many who put up with such toxicity in their adult lives.
Stoicism is only a good tool when you're backed into a corner and can't fight your way out. Yet.
Don't worry; you will.
Stoicism is a good tool almost all the time. To say otherwise is to misunderstand what it means.
@@littlemoth4956
Oxford Dictionary Definition: the endurance of pain or hardship without the display of feelings and without complaint. Granted, it *is* more nuanced than that, but you don't need a philosophy degree to understand it.
Stoicism has saved me a few times in my life -- once when I was being half-heartedly strangled by my ex screaming in my face how much he hated me. For hours. The others were similar but not quite as violent. Nor as personal. In all those instances, stoicism was my best friend.
In this way, it often brings to mind Bernini's The R*pe of Prosperina. I think the sculpture symbolizes stoicism at its finest.
All the other hundred+ times, though, the thing that saved me was action. Definitely not a stiff upper lip. I'm going to have to side with our fearless narrator on this one.
@@littlemoth4956 Let me guess: You had my reply taken down because of the R-word, right? That is the title of the sculpture. I didn't name it.
"What if its literally impossible, man?" Isn't a great argument... Just because you before finding a solution doesn't mean there was never a solution to be found...
What about Ryan Holiday?
This is a re-upload right? I swear I've seen this video before!
oh yes some time ago I also got those video recommended lmao
I think you're oversimplifying a philosophy in this way by inherently making it extremely dichotomous, which isn't the case. Either that, or I'm speaking from a Hindu perspective, whose philosophy has a lot in common with Stoicism plus more. For example, when it comes to what you can and cannot control, it also applies to the minute details of life, not merely major actions, and what you can control can (and usually does) carries some semblance of responsibility in terms of your actions. This also means, of course, voting for a party you have faith in or campaigning for change knowing you have no direct control over the outcome of that campaign.
This is the problem with anything though. What something is meant to mean vs what it ends up meaning are two different things and unfortunately, the former doesn't matter at all.
Language even does this. There are plenty of words that have definition and when enough people use it wrong, it changes definition. Because meaning is only solidified by how people use it. It doesn't matter the intent. It matters the action at the end.
Tons of religious passages, tons of words, tons of philosophies ideas and heck, even calling what we have now AI are not what their intent was or don't even qualify as being what people think they are.
Decimated is frequently used wrong.
People interchange jealousy and forget envy exists as a term.
About a million different terms changed meaning.
People use Schrodinger's cat incorrectly (it was mean to show how the Copenhagen interpretation doesn't matter or make sense. People use it the opposite)
And there are tons of passages in various religious texts taken word for word or interpreted different than historical context.
All you can do is change it after the fact, but it needs to be acknowledge that something written/defined as something doesn't matter when people as a majority use it differently. It changes meaning. It changes what it's "meant" to come across as.
This is even worse in situations where something isn't universally defined in the first place and so talking about it means totally different things to different people.
Most things we learn, including language are based on how they are used, not dictionary definition or historical context.
once again, giga based content
A stoic don't continue playing the broken video game, they either stop playing it or play something else.
Mega Man X5: Vs. Zero used LETS GOOO
Also, neatly put together points!
1:59 @JREG spotted
While i agree that people have mistaken being stoic for being a asshole, i think you also kinda mixed on the fact that stoic people always endure what life throws at you, stoicism says that is ok and you should take action if you are able to, just endure if you literally can't do anything about it
Challenge: Take a shot every time "virtue" or "virtuous" is spoken
(Don't actually do this)
Just for clarity: So "controllable" and "influenceable" are strictly separate concepts here, right?
You cannot control whether or not you get a job, you can influence that outcome. You can control the amount of applications you send and how, but you cannot control whether your applications land interviews or not. You can influence how well the applications are received, but you cannot control who reads them and how they interpret them.
Basically, they are two separate concepts because they are two separate words that mean different things.
Ugh, the normie understanding of stoicism. Self-help video slop causing so many problems. What pisses me off that actual stoicism is such a good answer to what you complained about. Emotion vs logic wasn’t even a conceivable problem to the orthodox stoics because emotion IS logic. Logic IS emotion. They belong to the exact same motion in the same way that moving your legs and thinking to walk are part of the same motion of walking. What matters is having the correct judgements/emotions and avoiding the wrong judgements/emotions so you will eventually gain the ability to think/feel right at all times about everything. Harmony with the world and harmony with the self are key to health. Moreover, the VERY political Romans took to stoicism because it DOESNT demand inactivity, and kinda actually encourages political action for the sake of creating a virtuous (which means in harmony with reality) society.
Are you complaining about the video or about what the video is criticizing?
@@HOLDENPOPEmost likely about the video author’s huge mischaracterization of classical stoicism, much like how self help gurus butcher it (except at least here the guy is denouncing the toxic mindset instead of encouraging it, still misrepresenting what the og philosophy is about)
@@E_V878 it’s clear that the video author got the misconception from the self-help gurus, so I don’t really blame him much.
I am going to be great
I watched this video about Frieren demons, I think you might find it interesting. th-cam.com/video/hi8ZhcGD4uo/w-d-xo.htmlsi
Stoicism was shit to begin with
It really wasn't
@@littlemoth4956 Ahh yes, don't mind the things you can't change. Except what if something that seems impossible really isn't? Who benefits from you not caring? The people who exploit you.
@alexisvulfiaawenfern8112
You’re jousting with windmills right now because you saw someone oversimplify a concept in a youtube video once and decided that’s what the whole philosophy represents
It’s simple really: you have control over which thoughts you entertain and over your actions. That’s it
Anything that isn’t that, logically, isn’t in your control.
You ought to look for what you CAN do to change the world instead of being a larper who wishes things would change and get mad if they don’t go your way.
A literal holocaust survivor arrived at the same conclusion after witnessing all freedoms being taken away from himself and from those around him. “The last of human freedoms is the one to choose a given attitude in the face of any circumstance.”
If you know what you control you get to act meaningfully, if you don’t you get to hope someone else solves everything and fall into despair if they don’t
@@E_V878 Someone got triggered
@alexisvulfiaawenfern8112 it's ok I know you didn't have the means to argue for your position in the first place
once you begin to think for yourself maybe you can reflect a bit and form your own informed opinions
I believe that a lot about stoicism has been eroded. Stoicism has four core virtues: justice, wisdom, courage, and temperance. A lot of people believe that stoicism is about having a stone face and a cold heart, but that is the corrupted, pop culture influencer flavour of it. Stoicism says that emotions and judgement are not opposites, but instead one and the same. For something to be truly right, it has to feel right and be logically right. Often, memes depict stoicism as the “oh well, my friend/child/lover died, time to carry on”, when it should be “there are things to be done: the task, and my feelings. If one compels me more than the other, I will answer it.” Stoicism is also not passivity either; it is knowing when to act or intervene for the better.
I firmly believe in individuality. I firmly believe that every person is a combination of experiences, memories, choices, and ideas that forms a path that could never be followed perfectly. Every person has an ideology that works better for them, everyone has their own preferences, everyone has their own system, everyone has their own fraction of infinity. There is a time and a place for any personality trait and any approach I believe that pieces of different ideologies help you form your distinct, personal philosophy. Maybe some aspects of stoicism will help you, dear reader, perhaps not all of it, and that is perfectly okay.
One reason why I feel like Kratos is such a great example of stoicism is when he is in Alfheim with Atreus and Atreus criticises Kratos for his lack of outward emotion. Katros corrects Atreus and says that he is hurt, that is is grieving, that he did love Faye, and we are shown that her absence has an affect on him. Stoics tend to hold emotions to themselves, but that isn’t the rule, it is doing what is needed and nothing more. Kratos is mourning, he is feeling, he is allowing himself a time and place for the mission and survival, and a time and place to breathe while on the road. Is it the best approach? Maybe not. Therapy and venting is helpful for a reason. Is it best for Kratos considering his character and how volatile emotions have caused him to lay waste to all of creation? Yes. As long as he remembers to connect and mourn with Atreus.
Remember: the extreme of anything will leave you with its flaws. Stoicism’s greatest flaw that everyone has a limit, even Markus Arelius had to take a permanent break from life to put it TH-cam comment friendly. What is the best for you is the best for you, and unique to you in its nuances.