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Ashes of Creation is an Immersive huge open world Sandpark MMORPG that is redefining the gaming landscape. Created for fans of PVP, PVE, and Roleplay, this ever-changing world promises the ultimate MMO experience. This game, which began development in 2016 and upgraded to Unreal Engine 5 in 2021, is now on the cusp of revolutionizing the MMORPG genre. Intrepid Studios are working towards delivering these highly requested features to an old school playerbase waiting for that MMORPG to bring them back to the golden age of the early 2000s:9 different playable races with both male and female options.A massive 1200 square kilometer world size at launch with 85 Nodes.A fully open world game with no loading screens, offering complete freedom to explore.A rich array of features including Dungeons, Raids, World Bosses, Open World PVP, Caravan PVP, castle sieges, node sieges, arenas, duels, guild wars, and more.A vibrant player-driven economy, crafting and artisan system, political system, citizenship, player run shops, taverns with parlor games, and a unique character customization system.Ashes of Creation offers an experience like no other, combining the best elements of both sandbox and theme park MMOs. This is a game built by an MMO fan for MMO fans, fully funded and committed to a zero pay-to-win model.
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you really are dented.
But has this projected concurrent changed in the last 3 years? Latest citations on the wiki is from Oct. 2021. I wonder if anything has changed since they've made progress on their server tech.
I watched it and it is anything but simple and you could easly misunderstand it. Make it dumb so anyone understands it.
I'm so hyped for 1 big server!
@@eLguL +96% unlikely that this will happen, though.
My plan for AoC is to find out what servers people like Asmon and Pirate are on and choose a different one.
Seems reasonable. But if you like me and you enjoy wpvp, those Asmon's mindless slaves are an easy prey 🙂
@@martysonn problem is, when asmon stops playing, so do they, then you're stuck on a dead server
Excactly man lmao
@@martysonn easy prey is not really any fun
Wise choice
I’m over here with no expectations. No guild plans. No idea what class I even want to be. I just want to play a game that quite literally doesn’t exist yet.
same bro, same. just wanna login and enjoy intrepids work after all these years :)
I feel you mon ami! I am torn between ranger and mage. Im leaning towards ranger but then what secondary class will work best with it?! I feel like ranger/rogue will be great but what about ranger/mage?! Will it make my arrows glow with fire or look chilled with ice?! Will ra ger rogue be better with more invisibility than just ranger alone?
I understand lol. The only thing I've pretty sure about is either going mage or bard with the subclass cleric. I've been leaning more towards mage, and my subclass will for sure be cleric.
15000 man guilds sounds more like a disconnected company than a game. Where's the escapism in that? Got an anxiety attack just hearing that.
Yeah that doesn't seem like fun at all but different strokes for different folks I guess.
None of you guys seems to understand what the high level EVE corps were like. Wow Guilds don't even come close.
Yeah people do and that sort of gameplay sucks. People with large audiences are going to come and takeover the game and its going to shut out people who have a small group of friends to play with. I wouldn't even try to play a game where 15,000 man guilds is possible. It is a stupid idea in my opinion because personally I wouldn't enjoy having to join one of these mega guilds to just have access to certain aspects of the game that would probably be dominated by these guilds.
@@nephrium I heard plenty about it and it's terrible. Even Eve players told me NOT to play it lol... Also, even small games like New World had guild monopolies that took over entire servers and all factions, for a while, cuz now everybody quit. Gameplay for the average person was frustrating in all aspects. People migrated to other servers and severs died out.
So no thanks. And yes, I know of even worse stories of Eve. So again, no thanks in a million years.
Don't even try to talk to these people about EVE, they've played only basic MMOs like WoW, FFIV, ESO, GW2 and OSRS.
It's about competition and socializing, if you want escapism go and play single player games
guilds should be at most 100 ppl sized, and even that is too big, 300 is basically a walking city, it will determine even how metropolises are build in the game, thats terrible.
Not everyone will be online at the same time, so 150 ppl out of 300 will be online at the same time. But even that is huge lol.
@@deano93517granted the game I’m referring to was much much much smaller but what’s stopping a guild from maintaining 300 players online at a time? In the game I played it was “meta” for guild leaders to kick offline players and recruit currently online ones to hold forts
@@deano93517 the same is applied to the city, not everyone will be online, but who do you think will be more online? sweaty streamer fanboys of their guild or casual players playing on their time and trying to enjoy the progress
When Alpha 2 comes I'm turning off minimap and just roam until I naturally find a place I like, I'll see who else is there and what node I'm in after :D
That is a fine idea.
I am SO glad you’ve commented on this… saw Pirate Software’s video and was worried I wouldn’t be able to enjoy the game without being under the thumb of that guild
your concern is absolutely true.
which would start its own guild war, driving interaction.
Best guilds are the ones with 10-30 people, whom all know each other. Now that's peak.
When it's in the hundreds it's like working in a giant corporation, fuck that.
Yeah I played WoW for years in a close-knit family guild and had so much fun. When You get to the point where you have to join a Top 3 guild to progress any further it really feels like a second job that you don't get paid for. "show up for the raid on this time on this day"
Yeah, that's our plan. Just looking for alliances in big guild's or other small guilds
enjoy your node w/ 30 person guild. no flying mount for u.
@hoatzen7887 just because the guild is small doesn't mean the name will be.
Big guilds kill games.
Piratesoftware sounds like the exact opposite of what I would want in the game... holy moly.
people play games for alot of different reasons. if pirate finds this fun and you dont, thats completely ok
@@Raiv-sama How the hell would one find it fun to be sourrounded by couple of thousands of people, no matter the scope of the game? You have no space to move, every single pixel on your screen will be filled with skill effects and spamming 5 buttons and hoping for the best outcome. There is no fun in that, zerging is not something a normal person would find fun in.
@@HardDrumStep reading comprehension is important, but ill spell this out like youre an idiot anyway. just because you dont find something fun, doesnt mean its not fun for someone else. theres millions of people on this planet that hate playing basketball. theres millions that dont think video games are fun. see where this is going?
@@HardDrumStep plus, who said anything about zerging in the first place? thor never mentions zerging and the OG comment is talking about running a massive guild? youre a little confused it seems
@@Raiv-sama this right here. the way pirate is going to play this (however the numbers pan out) is inevitable. There are always going to be huge super organized guilds and alliances. If you want to play like a nomad (like I usually do) that's part of the game too. narcs playstyle and pirates have to be able to coexist for this to work. I think that's the point of the game. If you think only one option is viable, I'm kinda confused why you're even interested in the game.
Also the not social sandbox thing didn't make sense to me. He mentions questing, but I know Narc is aware that a lot of the questing will be parsed out by real players like mayors, guild leaders, etc. Is that not a type of social interaction with questing itself? It can be both.
Guilds like this kill servers it happened in Lineage 2 and it will happen on whatever server this guy's guild decide to zerg as they will literally be playing by themselves on a server with a guild of 12,000 members and the game is not even out yet so they will grow even larger.
I had a similar experince in Archeage when it first released in NA, the server I was on had two massive guilds and everyone else was chum. You could not do anything as those two guilds perma camped the central drop off for goods.
not if Asmongold decides to form a guild on the same server, might make for an entertaining content watching both communities fight eachother
idk part of the fun i joined a group on new world that had like 4 or 5 guilds in a zerg discord i had a blast
@@Dracias Well...what they really need to do is have mega server for streamers. This HAS BEEN necessary and it's caused trouble for EVERY MMO since Twitch got popular. Devs need to get with the times, and build their games around the reality with which we live in.
ye but lineage2 pirate servers have 30000 online, more than new world for sure. guilds(clans) fight 1000x1000x1000
12000 people in 1 guild… but why ……… WHYYYYYYY
Being able to control the aspects of a game on a server. Though having communities like that can have a major downside. Even for the devs because if some leader of a group of like 20k people says jump to the devs they more likely ask back "how high?".
One word...Zerg!!!
Control. All streamers should be put into a streamer server and banned if they try to play on another servers. They screw up servers with all their fans that come and go with them. Not their fault but at the same time....give them their own server to kill.
Isn't that why they limits to how many people can be in a guild? It would seem counterproductive to have a majority of the server in one guild. Especially since AoC is supposed to be capped at what, 10k concurrent players for each server max(correct me if I'm wrong)? Even if it's not, that's still too many players to be one singular guild, and just sounds like an awful time, and recipe for diaster. Though, I've always been one to be apart of smaller guilds, either formed by my friends, or a cool group of people I've really meshed well with during my adventuring time.
@@Shawn14316 Streamer v Streamer wars sounds fun even if fabricated rivalrys... i like this idea
The most exciting thing about AoC for me is that I can just be a crafter. This is one of the things I loved about old MMOs like EQ and DAoC. I would log online and have mail of people requesting things for me to make or I'd get a ton of whispers/tells asking me to make something for people. In DAoC I would log on and refill my house merchant's inventory. That's almost all I did in those games. I did some raiding, but it's not really for me. MMOs today are all about raiding or PvP and tradeskills are laughable in almost all MMOs now.
I just want to be a dude in a world doing dude stuff. I don't want to be a hero. I don't want to be a champion. I don't want to save the world.
Millenial here, what is DAoC
I really hope the devs don't listen to all the streamers. They will play the game for 1-3 weeks and then drop it and badmouth the game for content
i can tell you from experience, they listen to majority, on forum.
The confusion comes from the words being used: server and realm. In the dev live stream the word "server" means a PC, hardware that serves data to users. A "realm" is the map of verra split in a grid, and each grid square represents a server (hardware).
The "realm" means a (one) world, a game server where players join. AOC will have many realms.
The live stream is technical and uses realm and the server words for their IT meaning, not the game meaning. This is what confused people, they thought server and realm meant playable game server (the one where your characters live).
Having played new world for 2k hours and seeing how profoundly player-run companies can cripple an entire game for so many people, hearing talks of this hyper structured guild philosophy before even Alpha 2 makes me incredibly nervous. I'm concerned the AoC community will be the game's biggest problem, if we see so many people wanting to run guilds in a game like a governmental organization.
5k hours in NW (still streaming daily) - it will definitely be a problem
Very nervous as well as I have high hopes for the game. I trust Intrepid to design the game well but it can’t be perfect on release and players will always find a way to exploit systems to their advantage and divert the game from the original intent, impacting everyone else in the process. This is why I’m not playing Pax Dei (which is even more prone as a social sandbox MMOG).
Players will optimise the fun out of anything
"So they have job outside the job"
People don't understand that some people enjoy other things than just combat. Managing guild it's also gameplay
People like a lot of different things in MMORPG. crafting, gathering, fishing, farming, socializing, making money, exping, pvp, dungeons, raids, exploring, story quests, contributing in events
Some people even enjoy doing spreadsheets
dude wanna make a pyramid scheme lol (its a joke, dont sue me ^^ )
I like to take all the joy out of the game, so this is perfect
I like space Sims, just add it I also like dark and darker so dungeons should be like that and very important, it needs it's own gwent or it won't be a good mmo.... As if. It's an mmorpg you need to MAKE a good mmorpg and not some bad systems that aren't in the spirit of mmorpg, aoc won't save mmorpg because it doesn't seem to evolve past the faulty wow blueprint that barely worked, instead they add systems on top of it, they like, sprinkles and whipped cream are nice but maybe make a nice cake and don't put the sprinkles/whipped cream on a turd.....
The good thing with alliances system while keeping individual guild members in a manageable number is that internal drama can weaken alliances while keeping guilds intact. For example a guild, if e.g. unhappy, could leave an alliance without loosing their guild 'power' while allowing it to join another alliance. On the other hand, people mass leaving an individual huge guild would lead them to seek another one or create one from scratch meaning redoing all the guild leveling up stuff
Oh just talking about guild drama brings back such awful memories of archeage lol. I need to figure out how to play this game and sleep at night 😂
Everybody heard servermeshing and assumed intrepid is doing what CIG is trying to do.
Sadly people like Thor will kill whatever server he is on unless he happens to be against another guild at similar size and organization.
Notice all of his feedback only serves to enable what he's trying to build.
I mean, good? Might makes right when it comes to games like this. The Devs are going to need to balance where necessary to make the game fun. Worry about what is rather than what ought to be.
@@nephrium No its Not good its part of the reason EVE online has never grown past 50,000 Total in 15+ years having this Giant mega corps that Run everything and screw everything up is awful. IT why People hate playing on any server that a popular streamer is also on they Kill those servers.
@@nephrium zerg guilds and alliances are never good in any game
@@AlbertoMartinez765 This is just peak gamer brain. Wanting things to be easy as possible and shutting down when it's not.
I don't think there is a good solution for this problem tbh. My number one concern has always been zergs but whenever I bring it up I get told it won't happen and I'm being negative. MMO openworld PvP will always be a zergfest. It just is what it is. It's why I say if I really want to play PvP I will play a PvP game not an MMO
PirateSoftware is interested in AoC because he tried the same shenanigans in EVE, basically trying to force his ideas of what the game should be like and what he should be able to do, onto the devs. CCP said no and so he threw his toys out of the pram and left the game. Now he thinks he can fulfil his dreams in AoC and that his ideas effectively will crush anyone else on the server is irrelevant to him.
His ideas and aggressive promotion of "his" way of playing the game is IMO dangerous for the success of AoC and Intrepid should do the smart thing and repeat the no he got from CCP.
Frankly PirateSoftware more often than not really misses the mark in his rants and while it makes for funny content, it would harm those he "targets" with it.
AoC is not EVE, will never be EVE and can't be played like EVE (hint, he repeatedly mentions how he effectively wants to do what he previously did or tried to do in EVE). AoC has some very interesting mechanics, but everything I see points to 300 person guild cap actually being too many most likely. HE effectively wants to control the server(s) his guild is on and I expect there will be several other guilds more at home in this setting which will not let that happen.
Thor is a great leader for normies and npcs
As far as I understood it, part of the whole philosophy of the game is that there will be multiple servers and that those different servers will hopefully progress and develop in different ways and that Steven is excited to see the different paths the server communities take, what different cities will develop and where, what different types of government they'll employ, what racial makeups, and what content will be generated/gated off by the differences in node progression.
Ashes IS a social sandbox game. The commissions that you said you want to "grab after coming home from work" don't come from thin air. They will be curated by the ruling guild/community that are trying to further a specific goal with this node. Normal players will be easily able to do what they want, but the content is still decided largely by the direction that the ruling power want to go, and not by the game itself.
All the game will do is incentivize certain things relative to the node, but if players will be able to do that content is up to the node rulers. Which is why there is a popular voting system in place.
Social Sandbox MMOs are community driven, having in-game events doesn't negate that, there are plenty of Sandbox MMOs that have quests and events for leveling, that doesn't make them themepark MMOs and he is absolutely right about it going to be community driven. Most of the action and interaction is going to come from the nodes, fighting for cities and trying to trigger events to happen on the map once people have ran through the leveling experience. This game is going to be the guild wars that guild wars couldn't deliver essentially.
We had spies in New World, i had a discord for our server faction that ended up being given to me, and had to find ways to manage security versus ease of use, but spying was done in discord. Purple faction was big on spies, because that's part of their lore.
When Thor mentioned that I'll basically have a full-time job in the game, I lost any and all motivation to be a part of that community.
AoC literally made a graphic saying “ one realm” then “many servers” how are people not supposed to think that means a mega server?
Because they faded those in and out separately and people are too silly to make the connection what that might mean. They are blinded by their own hype.
300 is too much. With that count, you will meet a new member, you didn't hear before, every day... When I join the guild, I want to join a guild under 50 ppl. I think the AOC will have different kinds of guilds for every taste of the player. P.S. TO be honest, the title "one real, many servers" in the same context with server meshing technology is pretty messed up and confusion.
fully agree, i like having those 50-100 players you play with, raid, pvp etc. 300 player? just like you said, you will meet new ppl everyday that apparently are in your guild XD
If you want to be in a guild with 50 people, then do that. You don’t need to cap the guild population, and it seems like Intrepid is enabling your preferences with population-based perks, where smaller guilds have access to stronger buffs.
I mean AoC allows you to do that without (hopefully) punishing the guild. Since you Can allocate guild talents into other things than guild size.
The server part isn’t really that hard to understand, it’s one realm for the server with multiple server zones that can come online when the need for population in that area vs a single server that runs the whole map with multiple shards with people you may never play with because they are on another shard
@@RiotRunnerX3 Sorry, If my post sounded as if I want limit guild to 50 ppl, I tried to avoid this misunderstanding with the second part of my post. The limit of 300 ppl for a guild and maybe the limit for an alliance of more than 1000+ will be more than 10% of players on one server, that sounds like a pretty big part of players in one guild of one server, almost opportunity for a "dominant player"/monopol.
I think having an alliance that big ran by a few people will kill the game because those few people will have way to much power over 90% of the server
Also with how rare legendaries and flying mounts are they would all go to the top people and that's bullshit
Any server with a major twitch streamer or TH-camr should be avoided. It will just be a massive insufferable cesspool of Reddit users, Discord mods, and neckbeards.
As a (mostly) solo player, I hope that Intrepid realises that having huge guilds dominate whole servers and influencing nearly every aspect of the game can massively ruin the experience for a lot of players.
Steven (founder of AoC) said a few times he was a guild leader of guild with thousands of members. It feels (to me) they really do understand about this problem. I’m hoping
Golden era of MMO was always about guild power and control, we going back to the roots!
Can't wait to join a guild and compete with other guilds
I don't think he really cares that much unfortunately. People have asked about this many times and Steven has yet to properly address it. In fact plenty of people in the AoC community encourage it
12k players in one guild is ridiculous. I'll be doing everything possible to avoid their server. They'll dominate so much everyone else will leave. They'll either have to fight each other or their server will turn into a pve server.
For an average game you might be right, but Pirate is a former EVE player. 15k people in an org in that game is not uncommon, and when they fight each other, it creates news headlines.
When these ultra zergs dominate a server they break apart. Look at eve onlines bob alliance story. People will sacrifice things to keep the content and game fun.
The way I understood from the stream is there would be 1 realm wich uses server meshing, so you could say it would be 1 big server, if all goes well you wouldn’t notice jumping from server to server while exploring the world.
They're obviously keeping guilds small for testing. If a mega alliance dominates an entire server, half their systems won't see the light of day. The limit may increase depending on player count and activity, we'll see. Hope they don't make them too big though.
By the time this finally comes out people will already be able to make games using ai.
I am the creator of the Unofficial Road for Dynamic Server Meshing for Star Citizen and in general have been following such implementations across the industry (SpatialOS, Coherence, Hadeon Aether Engine, Ubisoft Scalar, Dual Universe, Ashes of Creation, Star Citizen, even New World to some extend).
I have also been trying to explain Server Meshing to people to avoid confusion and foster understanding and expectations. And I have come to the conclusion that it is complicated and confusing when there are so many terms floating around that can be mistaken for each other. Especially for the layman and also when different games use different terminology. Then it gets even more difficult to differentiate terms from each other and make sense of it all.
What I have learned over the years is that there are always going to be a minority that cant be convienced about how things are going to work. They need something and they will make reality align with that. Instead of the other way around. I wouldnt worry too much about them. Make sure you avoid misunderstands as much as possible, sure. But dont get too hung about the few that dont want to understand. You are not doing it for them.
Piratesoftware seems to just not understand what Ashes is aiming to become. His expectations just simply does not fit Ashes, and would actually harm the server if his wishes would be implemented. The servers is expected to support 10k concurrent players and around 50k total. He wants 15k people to join a single guild, wtf is he on about? He seems like a smart person, so this is most likely a case of him not actually putting some time into understanding what the game is actually about, instead of just looking to his imagination and past experiences with other games. Same goes for Asmongold.
Imagine if these people put this much effort into real life 😶🌫️
I remember when Lineage 2 had a limit on 30 clan members at the very start, you could also form alliances with other clans, that was the best clan experience ive had in an MMORPG..
I get it, server meshing was introduced as this cool new tech that would allow the idea of a true mega server, and they wouldnt think that tech could be used to make our current structure infinitely better
Its interesting to see how people are not understing the information being provided by the AOC team. You are done a great job explaining it and breaking down the streams so the everyday person can understand. However some of these larger streamers are 1000% missing information and just pushing points that are incorrect.
I just watched PirateSoftware streams and seems we misunderstood what he was saying! I'm totally on Narc side here though. But good to know that Thor does not think there will be megaservers
The "One Realm" text is misleading for WoW players as a WoW Realm is a player Server name, plus also just reading that after hearing about how they are combining 100s of servers for the servermeshing tech is why people are getting confused with a megaserver.
As a solo player i want to recreate the classic anime mmo theme of lone wolfing until I join up with a small group and we become famous across our server for being just that good 😎
I can somewhat understand the appeal of uncapping member slots, to essentially minimize downtime of non-prime time activity, making sure people always have someone they can talk to and play with. 12k members doesn't mean everyone is going to be on at the same time, etc.
But it's unreasonable to expect devs to cater to such ambitions, especially if it can threaten their intended world balance - Which youtubers and streamers tend to do already even without guilds.
So mega zergs. Yeah that really says old school social style MMO. All they want is to have a bunch of minions do all the tough work for them and get carried to end game.
In a way putting around 5k people in riverlands (at least for a short time) should be a good stress test for server meshing tech.
one thing from Steven would fix this... define "server" (and what 'type' your "meshing" is designed to manage.) yep, i'm thinking that would clarify intent for "everyone".
But server is clearly defined. People just are clueless but pretend to know how shit gets run in the tech-world.
@@u5urpator691 so, bud, enlighten me please... database, tech, population, login control, server to server overhead data etc. ... which 'type' are we talking about, or am i totally missing the mark. if you have a link i'd love to see it.
There are two major falacies here in play. The first one is that the average mmo player severely understimates the current lack of *proper* games active in the industry and Ashes of Creation is not going to have a meager number such as 10k in a single server, the potential playerbase *already* is beyond that number in NA alone and the closer this game gets to release the higher that number will be as thousands of players from other major games will migrate to AoC. The second one is that social sandbox games, being player-driven, require extra care by the players so that the dont fall like a zeppelin on fire; unlike in EVE Online where players run those dreaded excel spreadsheets to make the whole thing work for *everyone*, other sandbox-y games populated mostly by players who just want to play and not care about anything burn, like at ArcheAge, Black Desert and New World. Not saying you can't just f around and have fun without paying attention to any of this, you can just ignore it completely, just don't expect to find things not working when the game is designed to work according to the player's actions.
I think his plan for a guild is really good. For me, having a big guild like that is better than just going off with my couple homies to do our own thing. That way, our own thing is feeding into a bigger thing. Never bad to have allies who engage in the parts of the game you dont necessarily enjoy. That way, you can benefit in ways you wouldnt normally. Not crazy about trading and crafting, just wanna go grind mobs and pvp? Cool. We got people for that, so we just get our gear heavily discounted. I don't see the problem.
Even I didnt have a chance to watch that vod. Been really busy but I did manage to catch asmondgolds video and even I thought they announced a mega server because of that 😂 didnt make sense to me considering the work they put in for the node system but I sure as hell accepted it as truth lol. And im someone who stays up to date with ashes for the most part. Im a little less busy this week so i appreciate you putting this video out correcting my misunderstandings
there is no counter play for spying, you know how we figure out how many men our enemies have in albion online? one random dude joins there discord and with the better discord addon can see EVERY thing, even if he doesnt have the rolls for it, he cant interact with it, but he can see how many they have in coms.
yuuuup
People in war games like Izonzo and Front lines go to other sides comms just to relay spawn locations and give away Intel. Ruins the whole game really.
Feel it might be like that here also.
So yall are a bunch of slimey rats then, got it.
@@Randoverse seems like it would be smart to move away from discord for guild voice chat
@@yunggeist3211 Discord is a problem but people join the other team and use their own discord to relay info. Makes the game unplayable and its obvious when its happening because we get steamrolled like no other. Such is life. :)
The way I see Ashes vs EVE is that EVE is the experience of filling out a hard business spreadsheet, start to finish. Ashes is the experience of getting a printed copy of a spreadsheet that your parents give you to fill in with crayon until you get bored and start playing with your toys.
Server meshing is for solving the sharding of servers that begun when ultima online started it ( look up the Ars Technica video about sharding, sharding is lore related to the Ultima Franchise as a word).
Server Meshing is mega servers. Epic battles baby.
imo he is voicing his wants, hoping Stephen will just change everything because "He's a Somebody". Like you said no need for huge guilds
Screw 12k member guilds. What draws me to Ashes is the old school small scale gameplay, not roleplaying in a faceless corporation.
Narc is back baby!
i view the servers to be exactly how Atlas was, but without loadscreens when crossing borders. They just need to balance each section otherwise it's going to be 3k people in one area and lag like crazy
Assuming the scale of a game that is not released yet is a little crazy especially for an mmo. There is no guarantee that the game will retain the player count some people are expecting. People thought lost arc was going to be the biggest game until it was rampant with bots, cheaters and pay to win. I am more interested to see how this develops and how they handle the economy aspect of the game and or resources in the game.
Somehow this feels the same as the developers for other games looking at Baldur’s Gate 3 and crying “Don’t expect the same from us, lower your expectations”.
glad u bring this up! Guilds need to be small! Guild competition is essential
I fear large guilds are inevitable and Steven seems to have no interest in stopping large guilds and zerges
Honestly, peak siege/large-scale pvp involves multiple guilds in An Alliance. However most games that do this really get the numbers wrong.
Guilds should have a player cap and alliances should then have a further cap. IMO somewhere from 50 to 100 players per guild is a good size and then limiting an alliance to 2 or 3 guilds total also helps keep those large scale pvp event numbers down and reduces the huge zergs you see in games like EVE.
Albion Online has 300 player guilds but there is alliance system and bigger alliances do have 10k+ players in them.. they operate as normal guilds even though they're alliance. All on one discord. It works.
I've never played EVE, but I do know it's way more tryhard than Albion in terms of politics. So this guy pre-making a guild with 15k players is not really surprising and I believe something around that scale should exist in AoC. Especially now that they're pushing for 100+ player fights and server meshing tech.
You should look at some of Albion Online's wars. The 10k vs 10k player alliance wars that are limited my technology, but still end up working... Ashes of Creation is trying to unlock tech that Albion and EVE have been lacking eversince they released.
All in all, what that guy is doing is realistic and fitting to AoC imo. You're just used to different styled games.
Honestly someone should make a video on this and just link it, cuz this is a matter of perspective really. A lot to talk about.
To add onto this, server meshing solves exact problems EVE and Albion have and AoC is developed not entirely in the same way but it is similar. So all the players that wished wars weren't as laggy as they are in mentioned games probably flock to the next game that has significantly developed this tech in hopes of stable large scale ZvZ.
If one server (realm.. like one world basically) only houses 10k players then AoC after launch will have same problems that NW had... too many servers up and server merging down the line. If this game actually gains traction it will need a few big servers rather than 10 or 20 servers of 10k.
I just want to play A2 and wonder around, lost for days on end, enjoying the world. Please let me in :) Great Vid Narc.
i was so sad witnessing this tragedy of incoming disapointment unfold before my eyes ... bless you Asmon & Pirate
This is exactly the people I try to avoid on any MMO.
-They tend to keep exploit for themselves.
-They gatekeep a lot of thing.
-They manipulate the market to oblivion and make it hard for any new players.
How long before guilds become their own subscription service? Or is that already a thing?
@sorasabi Gross
Leave it to people like Thor to ruin everything, they’re the hardcore tryhard minmaxers, in another life they’d be evil lawyers.
Heres the problem. If you can have an alliance of multiple guilds, why cant you have one guild the size of an alliance? Because we know larger orgs will just fill up multiple guilds, multiple alliances, where the division of their numbers becomes practically meaningless
Lineage wasn't 300.
Reality is, though, these guild structures can be run outside of the game. It doesnt matter how big guilds are, because they will just have 200 guilds, managed through discord.
Assuming actual active ~ 15k doesn't mean 15k active user at a given time. It means 24/7 pvp coverage of 500-700 players per hour. Just food for thought.
i quite literally just want to experiment with the class system...i always loved eevee
ministry of violence, lol... this is like the dragon killer ninja death wizard clan you ran at the back of the daycare with a stolen broomstick and a garbage bin lid for a shield xD
I’ve seen clans like this man’s get rolled by 10-20 man clans of pro pvpers in every sandbox pvp game I’ve played. These guys make it like it’s a job.
Its no wonder casual followers of AoC are confused about the servers and server meshing. For weeks before and after, every Ashes content creator tried to dumb down server-meshing in their own way, and I don't think anyone nailed it. I get that, that was the content that was available, but on such a technical topic, I think it only served to muddy the waters.
These are the people that want to optimize and theory craft the fun out of the game. I think guilds should be small-ish on purpose so that major nodes cannot be run by a single guild conglomerate, that's just dull. You as a player should bit a citizen FIRST and a guild member SECOND imo.
This game looks incredible, so excited
“I’m just a guy, I just want to enjoy the game”
Couldn’t agree more, but there there are other streamers with mega tribes already 🤦🏻♂️😭
i think they have limited it top prevent exactly what some guilds will try to circumvent.
What helps me with not being hyped about Asses of Creation, is that everything the devs have said about their core ideas behind the game sounds like complete shit that i have 0 interest in.
I too have insane expectations for AoC
pro tip: don't buy into video game hype
When a game turns into work it's no longer a game
300 is way to big of a guild lmao. Why not have smaller and do alliances?
I think the 300 player limit is a number taken from how many people can fit on a server all together from the time when they did not yet have mesh server systems created.
No. They just don't want those super zergs ruining the game for everyone else
Literacy is the problem Narc, people would rather hear misinformation and take it for fact rather than have to look it up themselves.
I just really hope once all the back end systems are implemented production speeds up finishing out the rest of the game.
I think 1 server would be amazing just because it gets rid of dead server issues and if the map is big enough we can all fit and have a blast 💥
Asmon has literal brain rot and canonically doesn’t shower. Thor is based but he went a little nutty after Helldivers 2 imo. He really didn’t like Sony doing their corporate bs and decided to punish a great game and an amazing studio by boycotting and trashing HD2
If he stood up to the cabal of corporations.. he is absolutely based and not nutty at all as you claim. Casualties will happen.
@@expose_theoccult1541 he didn’t stand up to the corporations lol they already all paid for the game and the only ones who got refunds where the people who COULDNT play due to region bans. The crybabies in Europe and America just raged on Reddit and sent death threats to the developers lol not based behavior but who am I to judge, I just enjoy a great game and a hilarious dev team. How’s starfield? ;)
@@bbodyboi So him doing that to the game, even after it was paid for, didn't surely hurt those same corporations that wanted it to sell and do well? That makes no sense. As far as Starfield? LOL what? I wouldn't know because I don't play overhype garbage running on a 20 year old engine put out by Fraud howard.
I work 45 hours a week. I don’t want to be in guild as my second job. I just want to enjoy the game and have fun.
you don't have to
AoC is a victim of “oh wouldn’t it be cool if….” by both the community and the Devs
It baffles me how little this guy knows about Ashes despite already having a 12k strong discord around a clan for this game. Doesn't even know there isn't going to be a megaserver.
I think the whole one server thing is misunderstanding on what Asmon/Thor put into the "server" term (one game world) and what you use as "server" here (an entity that is responsible for running a chunk of the world). Server is more widely used as to mean one game world (think of World of Warcraft realm meaning the same) and since games mostly don't care about the low-level implementation details like server replication, using "server" to mean realm/world is a fair way of doing it
thank god you made this video i was screaming into the void when i saw these two acting like the game was gonna be a mega server. Hopefully they dont skip out on reacting to this video.
My expectations are:
1. archer class
2. Mage class
3. Pew pew pew
Good video Narc, thank you for calling the big streamers out and explaining without drama in what direction Intrepid wants this game to be
Honestly I think 300 people is too much for guilds. I don’t like mega guilds and I don’t like server takeovers so I’d like to see guilds at 100-150 max. This is all hypothetical though as I don’t know what the game is really like. Me personally I’m just going to pick any server, any class, and have fun. My plan is to play the beta and feel the game out and go from there. It’s early to be joining guilds and planning out everything I want to do. Best plan is just to play the beta learn the system and get a game plan for launch so you can have a good start.
I dont think guilds should be too large as it will make things boring and put people under a real life like government system where you would be forced to do things. With a small guild there will not be the issue of sustaining a large guild and this less responsibility for each players.
I’ve learned from Anime that sometimes playing with less people can have better rewards. I would never join a community of 15k people. To much drama.
they saw your server meshing video and miss understood you from what i saw
What I think is going to happen is that whatever region he takes over will get rolled by the entire server the way the CFC aka the imperium got rolled out of the North back in mid 2010s. There are no supers, there are no jump Gates and other than guarding most used roads there is no way to prevent people from coming into your territory.
Eve Online is in space - so there's more room for people
many servers > One Realm....trying to keep everyone together not separate.