Everything Wrong With Hellraiser in 22 Minutes or Less
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2023
- Hellraiser is a 2022 remake of the original horror classic. It's okay, I guess. It has lots of sins, though!
Next week: space sins and assassin sins.
Remember, no movie is without sin. Which movie's sins should we count next?
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Hands down, the “my brother might be dead and it might be my fault coitus” i want that on my tombstone when I die. Absolutely epic..
I will say this for the movie. The screams of Joey (the first victim) are haunting. Kudos to the actor.
There is something deeply unsettling about how Joey's scream cuts off mid-sound.
Original, and up to the 1st sequel: the Cenobites were heralds of torture and pain to those who sought it. If they were summoned it was because you wanted it. Pinhead even forbade the others from taking Tifanny who was forced to complete the Lament Config for Dr Channard in Hellraiser 2. "It is not hands that summon us, it is desire!".
Everything after: Torture porn y'all! Especially this one, absolute nonsense that the box can transfer the punishment of the cenobites onto other unwilling participants. It requires no trickery on the antagonists' part, you could just solve the box carefully, and stab victims for the offerings. Lazy.
Except for the newly-created psychiatrist cenobite who goes rogue and kills all his patients in their hospital beds. And there’s the guy at the end who gets killed through the mattress, or was that supposed to be Julia trying to come back that way again?
But I guess it’s explained by the psychiatrist destroying the original Pinhead, because it was Pinhead who stated that “rule” and stopped the other cenobites from going after Tiffany, so with him gone, no one held the psychiatrist or other cenobites back from going after anyone they wanted.
@@akaLaBrujaRojaut did Pinhead create that rule? According to lore Pinhead works for Leviathan the ruler of that hell dimension.
@@chadharger9323 I don’t know, but he’s the one who said it in the first 2 movies, and after his original incarnation was destroyed in the second movie, the other cenobites didn’t restrain themselves. Leviathan probably wants as many souls as possible, but the man who became the first Pinhead seemed like he’d been a decent guy originally, so it could have been his own moral code, that’s why Kirstie was able to appeal to the trace of humanity he still had, and also why the psychiatrist cenobite was able to defeat him.
However, in II Channing had the crazies in the asylum using boxes so you figure it out.
Lol, love how you're acting like the Cenobites are honourable or some shit when they went back on their deal in the first film...You stupid people really put too much stock into that one scene where they didn't kill a mentally disturbed women.
“There are 11 of these mfs now!?” Had me dying. Felt that.
same
From now on, everyone who works for CinemaSins should be referred to as a Sinobite
We have such sights to show you....
True to your word "Sinobites" was in the subtitles straight afterwards. The deaf community approves of your conviction ❤
"Sticking your finger in a puzzle boxes hole without its explicit consent"
😅😅😅
I think the "I wont be needing this anymore" sin was perfection.
I think a big thing for me is that the cenobites didn’t look tortured and flayed. They looked like they were wearing Halloween costumes. Super latex looking instead of realistic shading and blood.
Right 👻👻
The depictions are actually more in line with Clive Barker's book, The Hellbound Heart, believe it or not. Even the pins on the head of the Hell Priest (Pinhead). Quite a bit different from the first movie, but truer to their literary depiction.
To quote hellraider here "I gonna enjoy make you bleed & I gonna enjoy making you enjoy it"
@@TocharaehDreally? In the books they are described as looking “fake” and like shitty costumes? Because the person here was taking about the quality of the effect. Not the design.
Yeah. It looked like Cosplaybites
"Oh, no tears, please. it's a waste of good suffering!" It sure could use some more Doug. Not to mention the rule of "It is not hands that summon us. It is desire" is only for psychologists using idiot savants to solve the box not rich mofo''s telling junkies to do it.
tbf the OG, they were essentially like 'angels', in a fucked up fashion, ready to bring the willing to their idea of heaven.
in this reboot, leviathan is sacrifice hungry, it's not to do with who wants to join the pain train, as much.
I mean it's not like Kirsty Cotton 'desired' anything, she just solved the puzzle and then the cenobites appeared
Sinobites just wanted to go for a walk.
A very enthusiastic walk.
I'm surprised Jeremy managed to watch the 1922 seminal short movie, "Race Through Quicksand in Cement Boots: A Tale of Two Elderly Tortoises", as that film only has two known intact copies; one on display in the Museum of Fine Arts and the other in the possession of Steve Ballmer, who doesn't let just anybody watch it.
Imagine watching this movie and thinking Matt is a shitty brother, and being on Riley's side about ANYTHING. Completely failed at watching the move.
Like watching Midsommer and being on Florence Pughs characters side
@@Ronfost89 facts
The Cenobites aren't always there. LeMarchande's Box is what opens the gateway to Leviathan's labyrinth in Hell. As for why the Cenobites go after the people that get stabbed by the box... It was a McGuffin plot point invented for the remake.
I think the biggest sin of this movie is that the writers didn't watch the original.
Pinhead isn't supposed to be a badguy at all. He is a neutral party who comes when called. He shows only people who are curious, the pleasures of the flesh. This was made clear in the second movie.
Also, that one cinobite should've said, "stars" lol
*if you know, you know.
In what way did Pinhead do anything different from what you described? There was no antagonism until the sequence was started and the only pursuit in which they engaged was directly related to the configuration. In fact, when Riley decided to choose life instead of any of the other ‘gifts’ the Cenobites basically rolled their eyes and called her a nerd before leaving her alone.
Not villainous at all, just trying to do their job. Much like a Tyrant😉
@@blakeharris58 Maybe the fact that the movie introduces a magic box that, when solved, sacrifices people for someone else's goals? If Pinhead is a consensual "pleasure" demon, then that isn't consensual. It doesn't make Pinhead look good or neutral, seeing as the box can have someone's blood and spare them or not have someone's blood and kill them. If Pinhead comes when called, then the box is useless anyway. If someone genuinely wants to explore the depths of pleasure, then Pinhead should know and just show up without all that extra shit.
@@depressantdrug I think the writers tried to rewrite the scene where Kirsty traded Uncle Frank for herself... but did it poorly. ig?
to be fair, neither did the other ten. the original clive barker script, they were exactly that.
after that, it was 3-4 'immortal 80's slasher flic' sort of shit.
then it was direct to dvd 'this script couldn't be made into a movie, but we tacked on the hellraiser name and it happened anyway' stuff.
Nemesis!
You missed “Explorers in the further regions of experience of sensations rim” being the title of your sex tape
I have never liked Hellraiser movies, but how did 20 years of technology improvement make the centobits look worse? The body horror doesn't look possible any more.
37 years to be exact.
Magic😂
@MysteicVoltronus if you didn't like the movies why are you here? Your wasting your time in the comments section bud .move on
@@shoken4421 Cinemasins hardly requires us to like the movies they have sinned.
@@sarahj833 again this is where common sense comes in at,if you've never seen a hell raiser movie(considering they've been out since the mid to late 80s) why would you click on a video for a movie youve never seen then go :oh this particular movie sucks even though you've missed the other ten before it ? It's like clicking on Jason x and you haven't seen it but your willing to go ,yeah this movie sucks because this guy is showing snippets of an HR and 30 min movie and I've never seen it . That's dumb
All of your sins for the section of Trevor and Riley breaking into the storage facility to get the lament configuration can be solved by realizing that Trevor was working for the rich guy from the start, so he obviously would be trying to sell to Riley that they would need to sneak in there and that he wouldn't know the combination to the safe.
why did the boyfriend make them break into storage to retrieve it if he worked for the guy who owned it? why didn't he just have the box and give it to the main actress?
also, why did he need his girlfriend to do it? if it doesn't matter who solves it, and he was working for the rich guy already, why didn't he just get some random hobos to solve it rather than getting his girlfriend needlessly involved?
I think involving the GF is to show how screwed up the character actually is that he'd sacrifice her over anyone else and then later has cold feet?@@roifor7809
I could be a nerd and tell you all the rules and lore of the puzzle box and the cenobites but it really doesn't matter here are they through most of these things out the window in this film. Also who had the silly idea of showing less torture and gore in a hellraiser film? It's like that Godzilla film that kept on cutting away from the fight scenes.
I hated how the Cenobites looked in this movie. What always struck me in the original was that their wounds looked fresh, they were raw and bleeding. I believed that it caused them pain, they were uncomfortable to look at. Here, it's all too clean. Sure, they're deformed and skinned and whatnot, but it just kind of looks fake.
I disagree with you. Watch the original movie again. Remove the nostalgia first and be honest. FRANK looked like he was actually bleeding and those effects were legendary. The Cenobite costumes were practical, but they looked pretty similar to these.
@@blakeharris58 I've only seen the first Hellraiser some two years ago, so I don't really have the nostalgia. Look at Deep Throat's throat, Hell Priest's chest, those are wounds that are raw and wet. You don't get that here.
@@blakeharris58I just watched Hellraiser for the first time a few months ago, so no nostalgia. The cenobites in the OG look way better
A cenobite watching this movie would *not* get turned on by the pain it experinces.
I am from Belgrade, Serbia,. Never watched this movie, I was surprised at the beginning of the video. I am proud that we got mentioned in a now iconic sin: In case you confused it with....
Why does that mansion give 13th ghosts vibes like the changing of the rooms too.
The only real pain is having to sit through the newer renditions of these movies.
So A) The Cenobites looked like cheap-to-medium cosplay designed by someone who didn't know what they were supposed to represent, 2) the mechanics of the actual story were removed, leaving it only two steps above random actions in an uncaring world, and D) the characters were unlikeable and thinly written. Good job!
2002's Hypercube actually cubed the number of times someone in a movie broke into a house and started flicking random switches in a breaker box only to get cenobite in the end.
HyperCube was awesome
The biggest flaw of this movie? It committed the cardinal sin of being boring.
"Pinhead is not technically accurate. In fact, Clive Barker hates that nickname. Their name is Hell Priest.
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I 100% believe that the writers didn't watch the original and not only that but the hell beings look as if they are wearing costumes instead of looking like tortured souls right out of hell. This was made in 2022 so they could've done something with this movie and make them look even more terrifying.
...Barker was producer and did several rewrites of the script.
@@AveragePicker He was not the main producer and it's not the fucking issue. I said the fact that none of them looked anything like the original is what made it suck. It wasn't scary, they could've have done better with the looks
@KiTA- Could have done better applies to every single movie which wasn't great from the start and only went downhill from the first. (The idea has always been better than the execution) Barker signed off and approved the changed too noting that the leather s&m look might have been shocking then but general audiences were numb to it now as it's almost mainstream. With everything that was gone through to get this movie out its amazing it made it and was taking more seriously than putting them in space or ending up with a streaming subscription cenobite.
@@AveragePicker lot of talk of y it sucks
A big problem I had was with the way the cenobites looked. They looked better in the original than they do now. If you went by technology they should look elevated and way better. Yet they don’t. I also have a problem with how they went after pretty much every one. The whole point of the originals was that what sealed your fate was your desire. The desire for torture and pain or power. That was the whole point. It bugged the hell out of me in this movie that they went after everyone.
Agreed. They are not evil, they are not malicious, they just are. A force of un-nature. The evil is the people, and the lengths to which they go for their own benefit or experience.
Maybe they realize that white guilt is the greatest pain EVAR!!! Oh, the ennui, the ennui…
I disagree, this look is way better. It was explained by the director the latex bdsm look in current times would not have the same effect it did back then since its pretty normalized now... the gruesome flesh torn attire fits better
5:50
Also sin for blood spurting from a sink or other vessel in a horror movie trope.
When you said you’d sin a horror movie today, I partially expected it to be on a certain newer Winnie the Pooh-themed abomination.
That obviously has to wait. This is a masterpiece by comparison.
that was designed to be shit though
-Criticises the movie for stereotyping a country
-Proceeds to blatantly impose false stereotypes of the very same country he never did research on in the very next shot...
One of my issues was how dark the movie was. The cenobits had some cool designs but we couldn't see him most of the time
FOR REAL!! 💡💡
There is no good shot of them in the whole movie. If there is a decent shot, its more or less a headshot or covered up (darkness) or over to fast.
The movie desperatly needed them standing in position looking menacingly in full (good) view and lingering on the shot to take in the details.
Like in the old movies (exluding the shitty sequels that have barly anything to do with hellraiser).
Best way to hide all those zips and fasteners.
@@TheBall12another is that you don't even see the victims turn into Cenobites or their separate abilities. That was also one of the greatest things in the originals that made the horror go up beyond
Love the fact that “fuck dungeon” is Sin 69 😂
Honestly, I loved this reboot. It would be better not to be a reboot, but still, it gave me the chills. I watched it in the right time, of course.
This "movie", to put it lightly, is just the tip of an iceberg that talent and creativity have long gone in Hollywood.
I feel like the better Shaun of the Dead bit would have been Shaun asking Ed if the zombies are still outside, and he pulls open the curtain to reveal the very obvious zombies pressed right up against the window, comes back and says, 'Yeah.'
Original "Hellraiser" released September 10, 1987 by Clive Barker established the box puzzle was merely a doorway and solving or unsolving it puzzle was unlocking or locking that doorway.
The thing is, this movie franchise has a ton of rules specifically about how the Lament Configuration and Cenobites work, pretty much established in the first and second movie. From there they toss the rules and it just keeps getting worse. And now we're here, at the proverbial run-off.
Film Fact: Jamie Clayton could barely move while in costume as Pinhead, as it was very heavy and tight on her body.
Well at least her perfomance was decent. Sure she is obviously just genderbend Pinhead and no one can replace Doug Bradley. But for what is worth Clayton was still a decent Pinhead. And despite barely moving while in costume at least she moved accurately like Pinhead because that's exactly how he is supposed to move.
And she still kicked mega ass playing her rool mad props to her she fits right in
“I don’t even wanna be around anymore”
@@dadrand0m why do the ignorant need to spout their uneducated minds
@@dadrand0mWhat do you mean
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I'm with Jeremy, I can't believe that there are 11 of these movies. 😂
I really loved Jaime Clayton's performance as Pinhead/The Hell Priest though. She embodied it perfectly.
nah, he sucked.
Absolutely. I love her and we share the same birthday!!!
FINALLY, A WOKE VERSION OF HELLRAISER!
THE ORIGINAL WAS SO OFFENSIVE BECAUSE ALL THE SINOBITES WERE WHITE PEOPLE! OUTRAGEOUS!! RACIST BLM FOOLS GO TO HELL TOO DON'T THEY?
It was awful, piss in Doug Bradley's mouth some more
I agree! In the book, the Hellbound Heart, the "pinhead" was actually a female so I thought this was a great nod at least to the original Clive Barker story.
The box. You opened it. We came.
1:18 those were my exact feelings 😂
Punching people in the throat when they call me Bob. Then hoping the judge at whatever assault case I get slapped with is a CinemaSins fan.
0:10 "In case you confuse it with Belgrade Massachusetts" - While there is no such place in MA to confuse it with but there is :
Belgrade, Maine
Belgrade, Minnesota
Belgrade, Missouri
Belgrade, Montana
Belgrade, Nebraska
Belgrade, Texas
Belgrade, Croatia
& Belgrade, South Africa.
The first sin should have been THIS IS THE FUCKING 11TH HELLRAISER MOVIE!
Anytime a movie randomly wants to go to space for no good reason: ADD 10,000,000 SINS!!!!
This needed way more sins 😂
I onto know why but the transition to "there are 11 of the mf now," causes me to lmfao. 1:26 for reference.
HP Lovecraft getting his ghost jollies off on non Euclidean geometry
Awesome! I love this channel it's fr one of the first I subscribed to 😢😂😂❤
I'm in Australia rn, its 2:48 am and this just hits different
17:20 - Trevor Belmont wants a word with you, Jeremy.
Serbia isnt cold except for in the winter. You're thinking of Siberia my man.
No Doug Bradley cameo - Should've had the role of the guy selling the box....
Would've been great fan service.
Totally thought this was going to be Scream VI
I can't hear the name Trevor without thinking of GTA5... Lol
I like how he gives a sin to the movie for stereotyping and then stereotypes🤣🤣
Those tacobell sinabites are the bomb diggidy!
As one of the seven people who watched "Cube 2: Hypercube", I insist you consider Sinning the "Cube Trilogy".
I am #3 who watched all the CUBE movies as they came out.
I hope this video gets 28m views.
I'll see you at next month's Hypercube support group
This wasn't a perfect Hellraiser, but since the first two movies there hasnt been anything this good. I hope to see you sin them all one day. So many sins. Such sights!
I hope in a sequel we see more of the Labyrinth
I’ve been waiting for this. I actually loved this one. It surprised me
I said the same exact thing about the safe coming open after she knocked off the dial 🤣. That would NEVER work
The 69th sin is f*** dungeon…LMAO!!! 😂
You’re all welcome! Lol
Thank you, CinemaSins!
Does Trevor Belmont count as a "Trevor's can't handle anything without screwing up the situation up more royally than it already was" kind of Trevor? I sort of feel like he does.
Now That's What I Call Hellraiser #96
Peel an orange 🤣🤣🤣. Also see you at next month’s support group.
Way better than the last 11 movies. The only ones that matters are the first two in the original series, the rest don’t matter
Why are there soooooo many film series that fit that description?
@@gabedom_ well in some cases (like Hellraiser ) Studios have these old screenplays that are just standing around in storage and the studio is like “hey we’re going to lose this license to this intellectual property soon so let’s just get the cenobites out in this old script that’s just going to be in development hell out of the bin.” That’s what Miramax and Dimension did with this franchise last 20 years. I guarantee that with most IP’s with 10+ movies do to keep the IP “fresh” and “exciting “ to a modern age. I mean WB is doing this to Harry Potter by making a max series by redoing the books even though the movies are timeless and they certainly don’t need to do that but here we are….
I actually liked Bloodlines, though.
@@guitargodthor2 bloodlines would have been better if they fleshed out the backstory of Angelique as the Princess of Hell.
Disagree with the first statement, agree with the second statement.
"Hexa, erm, dodeca, quadra, f*ck it" is definitely my favorite shape ever. Aaah...evil geometry.
Love you calling them the sinobites
Not to nitpick the nitpickers, but the Cenobites do not come from Hell. Even without getting into the ten other movies, original short story, various comic books, more short stories, upcoming television show, more short stories, more comic books, and nonfiction behind-the-scenes books about Hellraiser (27 million views, you say?), I think this movie makes it pretty clear that the Cenobites come from some other dimension or world that is adjacent to our own. Solving the puzzle box briefly merges the two dimensions, allowing the Cenobites to cross over and take away their victim-- that's what the walls pulling back and such is, it's the merging of two worlds.
Joey's death at the beginning of the movie and the subsequent appearances of the Cenobites in the film's climax would all indicate that the Cenobites can be seen by anyone who's within the general vicinity of whatever gateway gets created when their worlds merge-- it's not like a specific vision the victim has that all outside observers would be unable to recognize. So the REAL sin here is how unobservant the nurses are.
How many sins for Pinhead NOT being played by Doug Bradley? At least 100, yes?
Cenobite because hell/the labyrinth has it's own religion. cenobites are basically torturer monks.
There was a Hellraiser released in 2022?
America has cities like Odessa, London, Angola etc, I’m sure there’s a Belgrade there somewhere, possibly in Massachusetts.
The hardest I've laughed at a Cinemasins video in a while...😂😂😂
i love the "sinobite" conversion from cenobites lol
Seems like the box changes configuration when the cenobites warp reality
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Eh, I'm in the small minority of people who liked it. I think it's because I came in with low expectations and was surprised it was as fun of a movie as it was.
If you've watched enough Hellraisers, you know what to expect by now. 2 was a letdown, and it only got worse from there, so I was just relieved we got a somewhat entertaining film out lf it.
Personally liked some of the designs, especially the breathing Cenobite, which sounded very creepy.
I think fans of the series just keep believing there's going to be some magical return to form, and we'll get something as good as the original. Me, I didn't. So getting a film that's better than 3, 4, 5, etc. just felt like a breath of fresh air.
I’ve only seen the first four films for the Kill Count, and I think this remake was a return to form for the franchise. It’s certainly scary.
@@tonythehappynerd7241 I agree. Perhaps I shouldn't have implied it wasn't a return to form, because it very much was a good Hellraiser film. I saw Judgment recently, and it was pretty good too. The Auditor was an awesome Cenobite. Still, this one takes the cake. I've watched it many times.
Judgement seems like an interesting addition to the Hellraiser franchise due to the fact that it was a personal passion project for the film’s Director Gary J Tunnicliffe
@@tonythehappynerd7241 really now, I didn't know that. Well, it certainly looks that way, because the torture scenes were pretty good IMO, the way they depicted hell was pretty cool too. Some of the scenes were pretty risque, a lot of nudity.
big fan been watching this channel for years
Belgrade I'm with you, but if you mentioned Berkshire to me, I immediately think the county in England. I had no idea there was one in Massachusetts, which is cool. Every day's a school day.
11:23 got me laughing. Wonderfully done.
what the hell?
there was a Hellraiser movie in 2022??
Thanks for the video. I enjoyed it.
It is possible to have confused it with Belgrade, Montana...
I'm one of the seven people who saw Hypercube. Can't wait to see you at the next meeting!
11:01 The reason they're called Cenobites is because they follow Pinhead. Originally, Pinhead was known as "The Priest" so cenobites in the real world are monks/nuns who follow a monastic order and their particular order is devoted to inflicting pain on others. The name actually makes perfect sense, basically.
(As does the pun admittedly, but it doesn't need changed for not making sense as implied there...)
and, at least in the first two movies, they were not from hell. they were from their own separate realm. it was later sequels that tried to make them just plain demons from hell.
You didn’t explain why Pinhead is connected to the word Cenobites …
@@blakeharris58indeed... I'd like to know the connection also. I know some order of monks & priests wear cilices and flagellate themselves; but I can't see where the word "cenobite" comes into connection with priests/vicars etc
They belonged to an order called the Gash
@@kreiyuthe original certainly made them seem like demons from hell to me. 2 just made them unwilling slaves of a gigantic diamond. Sadly, this one still follows that lore.
I liked 1 because it was a slightly different take on hell.
Plus, does no one remember Scarlet Gospels? The hell priests were literally from hell in that book. Leviathan didn't even exist in that timeline.
Just don't open the damn box! Thank you, Jeremy, you took the fear out of this, thanks!
It gets inside your head so solving it consumes you
8:46 made me laugh. I would love to see such sights on Cinemasins!! More Hellraiser!!
Who has ever fell and slid into a whole other room????
What a Pinhead.
What a disgusting cash grab. The Cenobites are not evil but neutral, they inflict the pain on those who use the box to call them. Only the first 2 are really good and accurate, I'll say the third is decent too, it also explains why Pinhead is evil in that one because the dark part of him is acting on its own. But this series could've been 3-4 movies max, not 12.
_Angels to some... Demons to others._
Soon as I saw his face, I walked out 😂
Please get this to 27 million views.