5 Reasons To Rethink Jesus' Sacrifice
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Crucified on Friday. In eternal bliss at the right hand of God by Sunday. That's not a sacrifice, just a bad weekend.
Technically, we don't actually know when he ended up in paradise. But according to Luke 23, in direct contradiction to Mark 15 and Matthew 27, one of the criminals spoke up to defend Jesus, and Jesus said to him "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise."
So rather than a bad weekend it was just a bad day, with Jesus ending up in paradise later that night, and staying their Saturday before coming back to Earth on Sunday.
I think it would make more sense as the "sacrifice" being the years he spent on Earth as a demi-god.
Now I'm imagining Weekend at Bernies but with the apostles trying to convince everyone Jesus rose from the dead.
@@JohanKylander LOL! You, my friend, have won the internet for today.
Watching your son go through the process of getting whipped with a flog that has metal hooks on its end, digging into flesh on their way in, ripping on there way out, followed by watching him slowly suffocate over the course of 3 hours underneath His own body weight (this is how crucifixion eventually kills most, being hoisted making your diaphragm exert more effort until it has no more energy to expend) seems like a pretty rough weekend.
@@ferrisbueller9991 If only his dad was in a position of authority, or had some supernatural ability to stop it.
If God sacrifices a piece of himself to himself (for a weekend) he's now able to forgive you for being the way he created you.
So succinct! Couldn't have said it any better.
who would have thought that the Bible has more plot holes than the ending of Game of Thrones
You...You just nailed It man damn!
No, we are not the way He created us but are the result of our turning away from Him. Our ways are not His ways, to bridge that gap His son(both man and God) was sent to die. That death/sacrifice bridged said gap of we choose to accept it! If we don't then there is is no bridge to span that gap and we are lost.
@@NightCelica He created a universe where we are the way we are knowing what will happen. He still made the universe that way when he could've done so differently. So blurglide is correct.
Turning away from God doesn't justify sending good people to hell just for not believing. If he was truly forgiving he would forgive the non believers and not send them to hell. If he is all powerful then Jesus sacrifice was pointless.
What’s weird is I never really understood the point of animal sacrifices until you, an atheist, explained it to me better than any religious person ever has 😂
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Many cultures practiced blood sacrifice. The blood/life force fed the gods, or acknowledged their dominion, or atoned for wrongdoing, or some other cultural purpose.
There’s no rational point to it.
@@Meccarox Yes, there is, if we stick to the strict definition of rational which means a calculated decision. Reason isn’t perfect. A rational decision isn’t always correct. At the same time we often do the right thing without the need for reason. Your mother tells you not to do something dangerous and your never do it out of habit because that’s what you were taught. Perhaps you don’t see the reason why, but you never question it. It’s called Chesterton’s Fence.
I’m just playing devil’s advocate here. I find any kind of blood sacrifice abominable, and to be honest my moral position comes from compassion which can be argued against.
@@e32b61 Chesterton's Fence is itself based on a fallacy: the idea that everything our ancestors did was for some good reason. We absolutely know that many traditions have no rational basis. And yet the people who invoke Chesterton's Fence seldom understand why the tradition started, yet insist we must stick to the tradition unless and until *we* understand why.
There was once a creepy pasta that I read that had a man die and walk through hell. The man begins to weep when he sees the devil, to which the devil asks the man what the devil's greatest trick was? The man then responds "making people believe you never existed" The devil says "no, the greatest trick was believing that there was a choice between heaven or hell"
So friggin true
"if only I knew, there'd.be no chance of pearly gates,.. ".-DGD
I'm just curious if it was a red sauce or a white sauce. I'm quite certain apologists could argue either case.
@@codex988 how is it true? Vast majority of NDE describe people being in pure spiritual bliss.
Omg, I remember reading that creepy pasta. It was a long time ago.
I've honestly never thought of sacrifice in such terms before. Putting it like you did was truly profound and incredibly illuminating. Thank you for this video, I feel far the wiser for it.
Well, as you probably already know/heard: "GOD" doesn't abide by human logic/rules, so... GOD has -his,- -her,- -its,- -their,- _GOD's_ reasons...
@@commenterperson4481 no, God just doesn't exist
Thanks for the kind words!
@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite LOL! Your replies to my comments are very funny (to me) -- brief and straight to the point :)
I like your attitude!
@@commenterperson4481 yeah because nothing else needs to be said
Giving to the church is not sacrificing to God, it's giving to the church.
Fr.
And because the pope can always use a second solid gold throne.
Well, the pastor has to have a new BMW and a private jet. Read it, it's somewhere in deuteronMONEY.
The Bible has no contradictions, inconsistencies with history, inconsistencies with logic, moral objections, unfulfilled prophecies, or inconsistencies with science..
@@RobotNinjaDestroyer Somebody's awake atleast 🙊
"Died and went to heaven" doesn't sound like much of a sacrifice. Sounds like an upgrade.
You too will receive an upgrade just for believing in Jesus(John 3:14-18,John 3:36)
@@thelionofjudah77u82 Living with a mass murderer is not an upgrade.
@@eveharris30 Mass murderer? Care to elaborate?
@@eveharris30 If you pass up on Jesus, you will then be left on earth to live with the Antichrist and you will then see what a true mass murderer looks like. 2021-2028 will be the worst times in the history of mankind for the unbelievers in Jesus. Be blessed
@@thelionofjudah77u82 yeah a guy will come running out of a supermarket with a butter knife and a red sharpie saying "Let me mark 666 on you or I will behead you with this sword!" Then he will chase all shoppers and staff, both great and small around the parking lot, all who did not buy enough balloons that were on sale that day to make them float to heaven, and he will either mark 666 on them with his sharpie or he will try really hard to cut their heads off with his butter knife, until the cops show up led by the Hispanic sherrif named Jesus Kristo.
Apologies are pretty meaningless without change. You know what this world truly needs? Less fear, less hate. More empathy, more love.
Well, Christians THINK that things did change and the old angry god in the old testament no longer applied... Unless they wanted to hand pick some obscure, one-time mention of something to punish people they don't like. Rule of thumb? Nah that's not us. Ignore God's fetish for killing babies and calls for abortions to find one mention that abortions are evil? Yeaaah, we like that one (the Drake meme lol)
Sacrificing religion might be a good idea if it means a society with more reasoning
But religion would need to be of value for it to be considered a sacrifice.
Oh, also. Stockholm syndrome. Or a million ad-hoc religions, like maskers, anti-vaxers, demonrats, elonmuskers, . . .
Yeah because we won't revert to other ideologies to abuse. Everyone says religion is the cause of all wars yet the majority of the death toll in the last century have been in the name of Nazism, Communism, etc.
@@ferrisbueller9991 I think the nazis were very much religious...
@@ferrisbueller9991 the nazis were religious lmfao
You know the christian doctrine: "Jesus gave up a long weekend to pre-pay for your future sins."
Wrong. Jesus gave up his life on the cross after being betrayed to fulfil the prophesy of his coming arrival. He did everything by the book literally, so that we will know God remembered us when we turned on Him. There is nothing evil about Jesus or that there is anything of deception. What you say is from your own words, but God's words don't change. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. When Jesus came he said that I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father but by me. Don't become a foolish creation. I'm not saying this to hate you or make you feel upset, but if you are please consider that it might be because a part of you feels that you long for genuine truth and sincere meaning in this current life, where there are so many things wrong in society. People gunning children, hate agendas, or looming uncertainty of the future. But with God, you will find peace.
@@k27ism Wow, did my sarcasm muss your hair when the argument flew over your head?
@@k27ism If youre going to make a claim that ridiculous, you HAVE to at least give some evidence or rational thought behind it
The Bible has no contradictions, inconsistencies with history, inconsistencies with logic, moral objections, unfulfilled prophecies, or inconsistencies with science.
@crimson bridge 24 I have no freaking clue what you intended message is here, or what it has to do with my mocking a contradictory myth. (Meaning, Jesus didn't sacrifice anything, he slept for 3 days, woke up, and went to live with Dad.)
“The wages of sin are death, but by the time taxes are taken out, it's just sort of a tired feeling." - Paula Poundstone
Atheists are so scattered,
so i cant help but recommend some good Atheist-Channel on Random.
God: _asks humans for forgiveness_
Also God: _still allows Hell to exist_
Atheists are so scattered,
so i cant help but recommend some good Atheist-Channel on Random.
If you read accurately what Jesus said he will never say he wanted to be sacrificed.
What happened was actually a unwanted effect which he wanted to avoid, as he said many times.
@@eu29lex16 Unwanted _by whom_ ?
@@nenmaster5218
Scattered?
You believe in the impossible.
Take your meds, I'm serious.
If you believe in God, then you have a serious case of untreated Schizophrenia.
Tell your doctor that you believe in an invisble, sky magician
and see what happens to you.
God created Hell. Think about that.
"They gave up something important, to get something more important."
This is key in real relationships. The truth always hurts when someone demonstrates clearly you were the less important thing. And it's important to discover this as early as possible.
As a younger person I never was able to make any sense out of the supposed sacrifice no matter how hard I tried. Its funny how atheists can explain it better than the church.
I often questioned it myself in private, but just nodded along with everyone else in public to avoid arguments - until I reached a point where there were just too many inconsistencies in the theology for me to even pretend that I believed in that nonsense anymore…
@Justin Gary Justin I noticed you spamming this message repeatedly. If you are willing I'm happy to have a conversation with you and your faith in the Christian God, and my lack there of.
Then allow me to quench your thirsty spirit Tyler Marchus.
God created the heavens and the earth. Being a Lord of life, He cannot leave anything out when he blesses us with life. That's why there was the tree of life like how people argue about. He wouldnt be Lord if he gave us things in partiality now would he. Being Lord, God gave us everything we need to live. He also gave us a purpose and power in life, along with it came responsibility. One rule God gave was not to eat from that one tree which eventually did happen because the creation was decieved by promise of equality with God. Since then, the life the creation lived was brutally hard and unpleasant. But God didnt leave the creation in dispair because He promised that there would come a saviour. When that saviour came he had to himself live a life of cleanliness and righteousness or else what he did wouldn't matter to God. So Jesus who is that saviour was born and he never sinned, he never argued and quarelled, he never stole, he never cursed, he never blasphemed, he never swore, he never disobeyed his parents, he never did things to lead himself to sin. He did all this because he was going to fulfill everything prophesied. He did that and he had faith in God to help him even though he was on earth as flesh, he had to live life as humble ajd poor and meek to set a good example. He spoke of good things and he eventually got crucified having being betrayed. Then he rose again and ascended to heaven. He basically set the precedent that God can forgive us if we believe in his name or his work that he is who he says he is. It is far more easier because to live a perfect sinless life is too hard a challenge for anyone to take on. Jesus did that and now when we live life today we can rely on his example apply it to our own life and we wont be wrong with God. People have a hard time accepting Jesus because they cant trust that he is who he says he is. People dont like God because they think they are trapped into accepting him. People don't like church because they think it has some evil agenda or a plot for greed. But if we couldn't trust anything, is anything even sincere? Yes. The word of God. The word of God in the holy bible is always true, unlike this video, unlike what athiests or believers might say, unlike what you yourself might think. Jesus said it plainly he is the way the truth and the life. That's enough to seal the deal that He is the One. There is no need for explanation just for you to be humble and accept it truthfully. Don't play with your life for few minutes of fame in social media. Consider the truth of God and wake yourself up in life to finding His peace.
@@k27ism Prove it?
A common "church explanation" of anything is, "The book says so, now shut up, and stop asking questions."
Thumbs up to the artist. My little brother used to be soooooo good at sketches and acrylic art. He gave it all up when he landed a govt job 🤬
(It's the guy talking in the video who also makes the animations on the channel)
I hope he can find his way back to his true self; the job, whatever it is, is necessary... but the artist within, in the big 'picture' 😉
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I swear every video you make, leads to half an hour of contemplation and thinking ‘How did I not see it like that?”
Very well done! Only problem with it is that there’s not more videos like it.
_"Jesus died to forgive our sins. Dare we make his martyrdom meaningless by not committing them?"_ - Jules Feiffer
Dark matter needs to check his white privlege and pay reparations NOW. Black Lives Matter ✊✊✊
I saw that written on the wall in a public washroom and always remembered it.
😂
In other words, _“Remember kids, if you don’t sin, then Jesus died for nothing.”_ -Ricky Gervais
@@xstatic-ow5mz Oh we’re being based “under no pretext….” 😏
If somehow your career in atheism stops being successful, you could make bank by reading stories. Keep up the good work and thanks for dragging me out of religion, comrade.
He should make a 2nd channel and cover other topics I’d sub
@@bleuemoone8710 he has a second channel
Darkantics
@Bogdan Efros Do you still believe in god in your own way?
@@actionaccount8307 What "own way" is there?
@@chikkipop A way without religion, from own experience. i think it's called to be agnostic. Also your question appears like a trick question or a paradox because faith and wisdom cant really be transmitted, maybe only triggered. So each own way cannot be really explained.
God sacrificing jeebus to atone for his screw-up is actually the best argument for the truth of christianity that I have ever heard! 😆
"Sacrificed himseld to himself in order to serve as a loophole for the rules that he created!"
-Matt Dillahunty
In Norse Myth, Thor had two huge goats that carried his things for him. At night, he could kill them and eat them. As long as he didn't eat the bone marrow, the goats would come back the next day unscathed and like nothing happened. Reminds me of that, haha.
Did he ever eat the bone marrow?
That's pretty fucked up. Poor goats, I wonder how many times they had to suffer the agony of death to satisfy his hunger?
The goats obviously couldn't remember
@@nothingtoospiffy7913 A human boy did, but only one bone in the leg. (Loki had nothing to do with it). And because of that the goat got a limp, and would never become quite as strong as it was before.
Seems like you would get tired of goat day after day. Did they ever come back as calamari or boneless wings?
"Father! Why have you forsaken me!?"
**The father shuts his eyes in shame and turns away as his son is sacrificed. He mutters to himself with an otherworldly sadness...**
"Because I have forsaken everyone. I am not truly omnipresent or omnipowerful. I can't be there to help anyone, and I am a coward who dares not show his face for fear of such a truth. I should have never experimented with consciousness and knowledge in my creation. I selfishly attempted to foster love and adoration for me, but in doing so I have caused unfathomable pain and anguish. I must attone and ask for forgiveness, yet I do not deserve it."
Honestly I think most of us, if god came down and said "Ok. I... COMPLETELY fucked up, and do not have the power to fix it." I would respect that god WAY more than the way he's portrayed currently. Even if I'm still pissed, owning up to a cosmic-scale fuckup has to be hard and it speaks volumes about that being's personality.
When the fanfics are better than the cannon
Honestly if Christians weren't so caught up in gatekeeping and were willing to admit that the very god they serve is flawed or that its just a myth as it is. I bet really good stories can come from it. I mean that little paragraph you wrote was so good and had so much character
@@jvmeel7454 "was so good" - Thanks :)
Dante's "Inferno" and Milton's "Paradise Lost" are examples of fanfics that are better than cannon. And then they somehow became cannon anyway, apparently.
@@Zsokorad I'll check them out
@@YukonHexsun we would respect that more because its not his fault as much anymore that the world is shitty, he messed up, but it wasnt intentional like it is with an omnipotent god
I've tried to explain to people that Jesus merely went into a 3 day coma
After that he was elevated from a homeless peasant to a God. He lost nothing of value.
@@tallman2210 but but nails in arm must have hurt 🤕
how do you not die after being flogged and pierced through your side
If he was in a coma why did first person viewer accounts of Jesus say that he transcended his mortal body into something divine?
@@jclive2860 An upgrade, then!
The greatest sacrifice God could make is to give up His position for someone better suited for the job
🤞s ❌ and 💵s bet in Lucifer, Lilith and along with the Fallen 😇s that felled alongside like the Watchers and Fellow 😈 s that stands by with before/after them.
Because C'mon we all know at this ☝️,
Lucifer would someday WILL take the throne before he led a revolt where his and Lilith's along with his many Siblings or Allies and vows to do better, on way or another that way our lives should've been exactly right where it all was that was
Unlike anything else could imagine being far more better than Meaningless, before it was all Stolen from us by Yahweh aka God.
Nice, I like that!
I vote for Jeffrey
"under christianity, you don't have to have accountability for anything you do"
So true!
Umm..yes you are!! He will render to everyone according to their deeds!!!
@@iamBlackGambit
Even the biggest sinner can just repent, and you're good.
@@crypticraps Forgiveness doesn't equate to freedom from consequences. I would know.
@@jesussknight4918
I never said it did. But you're able to commit atrocities, repent, and still be eligible for heaven. In contrast - you could be the nicest, most caring person and still burn for eternity in hell if you don't accept god into your heart. That's remarkable.
@@crypticraps Hey, put some things in your mind about Christianity:
1) There`s no good person, the ethics in the bible is focused on your thinking, not on your actions. Think bad without action is not be a good person, and according Christianity we`re all sick by a virus called "sin" , and sin makes our hearts and our minds sick, and we`re all are completely incapable to justify ourselves to God`s justice, because we`re all bad. The modern definition of a good person is like "pay your taxes,, go to your job, consume everything around you, always try to be happier, love your parents and your family and die with no murderer in your hands". Tha its too limited compared to the bible diagnosis. I just invite you to rethink about "I'm a good person", people who slaves black lives thought that they`re good too, how many wrong and horrible things we're all doing right now that will be criticized in the future. we don't know, our sense of good morality can be just our illusion about ourselves, there`s no good person.
Mathew 5. 46 "If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?".
2) If all mankind is in sin, and there`s no good person who deserves heaven by justifying himself. so God wrote in the bible "what's in impossible to humans is possible to god", and he gave a part of himself to die in our place for our sins, for all people because God doesn't make difference about persons (Acts 10 34). it's for free without any type o merit, because we will not deserve even with doing "good things" all lifetime living 300 years or 70 times, we can`t pay our debts cause God is an infinity valued mind, and every single insult to his law, even the smallest, will be punished with hell. and that make logic in philosophy.
3) Jesus resurrect because his sacrifice worked because was God`s own sacrifice. and infinity valued sacrifice because the lamb was himself in human life. Jesus Christ. How could people believe in eternal life after death without seeing a resurrect human? Jesus won the Death and the Devil, the resurrection is the proof that the sacrifice works and we all can trust in that and not the proof of Jesus sacrifice anything.
You are the reason I started searching for truth as a Christian, now as an atheist, I cannot thank you enough!!! I am so thankful you found a way to monetize your passions!
A youtube channel broke ur faith
@@tnl-warrior3218 that is not what I said at all. I quit believing because I have done months worth of research. I was taking classes to become a pastor and I realized nothing was adding up. First of all, every person on this plannet believes in what they do just as much as I used to believe in Christianity. Why do they deserve to burn in hell for ETERNITY just because they don't believe in what I do? You don't really get to choose what you believe. For example, I cannot simply choose to honestly believe that I have a red Ferrari in my garage just because someone is holding a gun to my head, threatening me into believing (God isn't using a gun, he is doing much much worse. He is threatening hell for ETERNITY). Second of all, the confederacy and the union both fought on the side of god. Yet the confederacy fought for slavery, while the union fought against it. This is because the Bible is extremely vague and is very unclear on many moral things, such as slavery. There are verses to support slavery, and some that do not. 3rd of all, god is supposed to be all knowing and all powerful, yet he still chose to try and irradicate sin by flooding the entire earth and killing EVERYTHING, including every living baby and animal. And he failed, sin continued to fill the earth once people repopulated. So what did the flood achieve? Just a whole lot of genocide of innocent (babies because they have yet to reach the age of accountability), animals, as well as some "sinners". If you simply read the gospels side by side, you will realize it is all bull shit.
@Justin Gary You made a lot of assumptions about what I believe, I am not arguing for evolution. I am arguing against the bible and the god of the Christian bible. God did not sacrifice Jesus Christ because he knew that he would come back. If someone wronged me in some terrible way and I sacrificed my own son so that way I would be able to forgive them, I would be a criminal. I don't need to sacrifice anything, I could just forgive them because I am more moral than god. If I wronged someone and smashed my most prized possession to prove to them how serious I am about how sorry I am, it would mean nothing if it just put itself back together after 3 days and I knew it would happen. In either situation, it is not a real sacrifice.
@@dinentionalglassproduction9220 Another meaningless thing is a wall of copy/paste text like that long thing you just responded to. I see it plastered verbatim everywhere. I do like what you have to say, though!
Ok what I am about to say has nothing to do with this Jesus sacrifice video but I would appreciate it if everyone can still listen to me because I am about to share something "VERY" important: I request everyone to please watch "three stages of Jihad" by David Wood on the youtube channel "Acts 17 apologetics" and share it with others because the info in there is very important to spread to the world. Please. The info is more important then anything imaginable
1. When the animal is sacrificed it does not come back to life. The animal is a permanent loss.
2. First the transgressions, then the sacrifice, not the other way around (all humans after 1 century)
3. Animals do not choose to be sacrificed, they were chosen by their owners. The animals didn’t volunteer to be sacrificed. The difficult decision is the owners (the one who is guilty). It’s the owners act to choose not the animals act.
4. People killed animals they valued. That’s the meaning of a sacrifice, loosing something personal of a great value for that person. Personal loss.
5. The animals were killed specifically to be a sacrifice for the people who killed them (the person must participated, in other words “be present” in the act of killing-laying hands on it, pray, pay a priest..).It has to be attentional act.
Wow
Wow
I agreed with ever point made in this video,
I escaped childhood indoctrination in my early teens. After being made to read the bible cover to cover yearly and reflect and write personal reflections of my comprehension level of each and every unit. They say if actually read something twice you learn from it, I read it more than 10 times in the 15 years it took my to realize after reading many other christian factions and comparing them that, the disregard for women overall comes first, the superiority of other races comes second, but it was not isolated to "race" it is merely anyone not of "Your neighbourhood" "Your click" "Your crew" everyone else is "evil" and that is a horrible concept for a "God of Love".
Feel free to apply, Anyone.
-Micah-
The books of the Bible have been divorced from their cultural contexts. Even before Christianity, they'd been interpreted, reinterpreted, glossed, and edited to meet changing times and situations.
In the very beginning, YHWH was one god among many. Read the first five books of the 'Old Testament' with that in mind, and they make more sense. It took millennia for 'One True God with One True Religion' to develop.
Holy shit did you even read the book where does it say one race is superior to others
Also your moral judgements are just your opinion
@@dog_curry- 'The Curse of Ham' was a justification for the conquest of Canaan. It was subsequently abused to justify enslaving other groups. Back then, 'race' referred to ethnicity (Babylonian, Greek, Hebrew, Canaanite, and so on)---then we invented modern ideas of race.
@@dog_curry- Are you saying you're fine with genocide, rape, and murder?
This one was really great. I had never thought about his sacrfise this way. Thank you!
Yes, let's sacrifice some intelligent animals for our imaginary god concept. Isn't the human race a noble prize ?
Right
Uhh
Listen, they had the best of intentions. That’s why they stoned each other to death as well. And genocided each other.
thank you, left islam because they annually sacrifice animals, celebrated around the world as a festival, perpetuating ignorance towards speciesism, it's big business, it's gross.
Apparently we're the best god could muster, it was definitely having a bad day when creating our universe
I have always had a problem with the whole burning for eternity for one sin, and as humans we make mistakes the idea is to learn from them to improve.
Spoilers there's no such thing as Sin, and Burning for Eternity is BS because you don't, just nothing but a Scare Tactic used to fcked up with your 🧠
leaving you under Blind Obedience, Ignorance, Fear, Unawareness, & Enslavement.
You're alllmost there... keep going - the Bible will give you the answers if you seek with a genuine desire to know the truth ❤
@@soulfullyone1233 you knew darn well you had nothing, you just repeated the old 'keep reading because I didn't actually open it once'
@@xXluluchanelXx I'm three months into my Christian journey, and I study the Bible everyday now, what this person has expressed was the same issues I had, before getting into the word. If you want me to give 'something' I'll say this:
Romans 8: 1-2
"1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit. 2 For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."
In Christianity, you aren't expected to be clean from sin or the consequences of it and then henceforth be perfect or do whatever you want. But instead you are in fact coming to Christ in all your iniquity, and allowing Jesus to change you as you learn of the spiritual laws and abandon the laws of the flesh/sin.
I said op was close because they missed that the entire role of Christ and his atonement for our sins is to give us the opportunity to learn and grow without having to pay the price of our sins. Hope my message finds you well, blessings.
@@soulfullyone1233Look at Matthew's genealogy and Luke's genealogy, compare them both to the Davidic line in 1 Chronicles 3 (through the post-exile generations), and compare Matthew 1:12 with Jeremiah 22:24-30 and Jeremiah 36:30.
Then tell me with a straight face that this is God's infallible word.
Also, don't forget to count the generations in Matthew's genealogy after adding the skipped generations back in, because Matthew makes a point to highlight the apparent symmetry in Matthew 1:17, which falls apart when you consider that he skipped 4 generations, and counted Jehoiachin twice.
Better yet, study the actual Hebrew text of Isaiah 7:14, the prophecy of Immanuel. You'll find that a fundamental characteristic of Jesus (the virgin birth) is based on a "prophecy" that doesn't even exist in the original Hebrew text.
To be fair, it wasn't necessarily Matthew's fault since he used the Septuagint, the source of the mistranslation of Isaiah 7:14, but it does refute his gospel as well as Luke's, and destroys the illusion of Biblical inerrancy.
“Under Christianity, you don’t have to be accountable for anything you do.”
Aaaand that’s why sexual abuse runs rampant in the church 🙃
Bingo
@Wilhelm Eley The guilt problem being resolved by absolute forgiveness is certainly one cause for the sex abuse, but, add in the belief that the church is moral so therefore anything immoral should be hushed up for the 'greater good', the predators being in positions of authority over children and it being seen as immoral to accuse them of wrong-doing by both victim and the victim's parents, the belief that confession resolves the issue preventing need for apology to the victim or admission to the parents or police, general disdain for human rights, belief that victims are corrupt (particularly as a result of the sex abuse) and so deserving of 'punishment', that 'suffering is good for the soul', that sexuality is inherently wrong and thus those in the church authority should be abstinent preventing healthy avenues for sex, etc, etc - the church is tailor-made for sex abuse. What is truly horrifying is the number of times I've seen debates between atheists and christians where the subject of sex abuse is raised and the theological side clearly see the problem as being that both predator and victim were male, rather than that the victim was a child.
@@andrewtall2047 that last sentence ... Just. What?? There's so much to unpack right there alone
@@fricketyfracktraintrack Which bit do you want clarified?
@Justin Gary You sure like to write! If you like to read as well, here is a overview to get you started on the on-going process to find the scientific reason for life on earth en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis.
It's just as much of a fallacy to say that evolution is impossible because it has yet to figure out exactly how life came to be as saying God is impossible because we don't know why we have so many useless organs and flaws in our body. Both assumptions jump to conclusions.
If a theory emerged that had the backing of most of the scientific community describing the origin of life, would you reconsider your beliefs? Or would the writings of ancients *hundreds* of years ago still take precedence? I don't need to tell you that hundreds of years is ALOT of time for facts to get distorted, and that mankind was far less capable of describing the world back then. We thought the earth was flat for crying out loud! It makes sense, to anyone standing in an open field the earth looks very flat. But it's wrong, and we know that because we now have the tools to confirm the truth. We already have made decent ground with these tools for finding answers about how life may have started on earth. But somehow I get the feeling that the choice between ancient texts and modern science is a no brainer for you, literally. No personal offense intended, you've been trained to think that way.
_Responding to your statement_ *"Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality."*
edit: Looking at other parts of your comment I see you have seen abiogenesis and potentially other theories before. If you want, feel free to explain why you feel the bible is more credible than these theories. I'm a bit confused about how one can accept the bible by arguing that evolution theories are false because we cannot observe it happening. Which isn't true by the way. Here are some examples of more recent evolutions examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-evolution.html. Fossils do indeed show evidence of evolution happening.
It’s not a sacrifice; more like an inconvenience.
For the weekend.
To an omnipotent being existing outside of time it's barely even that. It's like a billionaire loaning someone a dollar. But they have a credit card so they can still technically spend that dollar before even getting it back.
@@Daxyl exactly
"he was inconvenienced for your sins"
I see why the early Christian leaders didn't choose this as their advertisement, it just doesn't compel me to hand them all my money.
It is masochism.
"God sacrificed Himself, to Himself, to save us from Himself. This is barking mad."
Michael Shermer
God must have been feeling guilty.
He's too full of himself.
No, God sacrificed his one and only SON, to US, the world of man, to save US....from OURSELVES. Get it right.
How is killing a innocent guy going to save humanity from its sins? Also, did humanity stop sinning afterwards? Also also, if the omnipotent god doesn’t want us to sin, can’t he just create us unable to sin? Instead of punishing us for being the way he created us, and then come up with a theatrical farce to “save us”, whatever that means?
@@JamecBond who created us (according to you and your Bible)? So to save us from ourselves is to save us from what he created us to be.
@@Melody.Joy.23 God didn't create us to be that. We used our free Will to turn away from our wrong doings, even with His warnings.
👏👏👏 Same point I bring up.
"Jesus didn't die for your sins. He temporarily died and came back to life. There was no sacrifice."
He did in the book.
He didn't really exist.
@@abegarfield7031 I know that, but even as a fictional character, what happened in the story was not a sacrifice
@@DariusAlfa that doesn't make it true. There are humans who think they are dragons, or boys who think they are girls. Does that make it true? NO.
People need to learn the difference between opinions and facts.
@@DariusAlfa no I don't at all. Even as a fictional character, I wouldn't want her to be stoned to death for consensual or non-consenting sex
@@DariusAlfa Mary & Joseph were betrothed, basically arranged to be married when Jesus was conceived. Remember they couldn't stay at the inn because they weren't married?
you made how i've felt about the story of jesus into a clear and concise story that is easily shareable and simple. very good job
As an artist, I would love to own a piece of your work. Brilliant man, and yes we see eye to eye in our understanding. For an artist, our work is our tangible immortality. Cheers, well done.
Really? it’s a pretty generic piece, nothing brilliant about it no offense
@@AA-ff8xg Yeah but most of us can't able to draw to it
You’re a hell of animator, but you’re artistry on paper is astounding. From the shadows to the frosty haze of the forest. That was a pleasure to watch, and makes your words “hit” different.
Fantastic content as always. 😎👍🏻
I'm pretty sure he makes the animations crappy looking on purpose as he has used weird effects and such just for gags like the scene Belem was told to go "talk to God on that other hill, over there".
@Smokey Mcb, "I'm a Christian" that's nothing to brag about. Just means you still believe in fairy tales and magic.
@Smokey Mcb, Has nothing to do with my comment.
@Smokey Mcb, So were you. A Christian telling someone they were " only told the truth". Now that is an oxymoron to say the least considering what Christians believe.
Point being religion/s have nothing to do with the truth or being true and the followers when it come to their religion.
@Smokey Mcb, What a crock of holy bull shit. Now prove your religious claims factual with credible evidence. Until then your religious claims are nothing but claims and assertions and one could even say they are lies. Like I said, now prove your sky fairy and boogeyman exist.
Also put up credible evidence where atheists are calling for Christians to be rounded up, imprisoned and killed. Pathetic attempt at playing the persecuted Christian to say the least.
So now when someone challenges you to prove your religious claims it is hate?
Jesus’ “sacrifice” wasn’t even three days. Late Friday afternoon into early Sunday morning is NOT three days. If you checked into a hotel on late Tuesday afternoon and then checked out early Thursday morning and the hotel 🏨 charged you for three days, you’d pitch a fit.
Why believe such nonsense?
Great video. Thank you very much for sharing this. Subscribed!
That is f*kn incredible. I never really thought about it like that. You are right. I always just thought that Friday Saturday and Sunday were 3 days, with Sunday being the third of the days. But really it's ONLY TWO DAYS. If you get a hotel for that amount of time, you only pay for 2 days.... :) Brilliant
When did the current numeral system started?
@@abinabrahamgodwin You cannot get 72 hours (3 days of 24 hour cycles) out of Late Friday afternoon until early Sunday Morning.
Unless we need to have a discussion on what words and time means.
If the hotel scenario happened to you, you would not feel cheated? If so, please stay at my hotel. If not, why not?
@@pheresy1367 Thank you sincerely.
@@thomasgallipoli8376 Time according to hours what you said is exactly right. Maybe ancient people calculated it day wise i.e. according to words. Day 1 - Friday day of death, Day 2 - Saturday, Day 3 - Sunday, Resurrection on 3rd day. That's what Jesus told that he'll be resurrected on 3rd day.
Counting till 10 using the fingers was easy for them. 72 hours for 3 days would be a complex calculation at that time using the ancient numerical system.
Maybe that's the reason why they divided a day into 2 parts, from morning 6 - 12 hours of day and from evening 6 - 12 hours of night, not the current am & pm system.
Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
Matthew 27:45 KJV
Imagine living in ancient world without your current knowledge and wisdom on how to count. Hope you got my point brother.
*There is no sacrifice when you know the game is rigged when you know you'll be resurrected in 3 days*
I've always thought of Christianity as the ultimate "get out of jail free" card. In fact it encourages one to "sin" or commit crime against others. If you don't, you're actually wasting Jesus' sacrifice. Live it up man! You're sin tab is fully paid. All you need is god's forgiveness, not your victims. Atoning to god is simple, a mere declaration to one of his brokers has you covered. In the morning, you're good to go for another cycle of sinning. What a great plan...for immorality. Another great video DM!
That is the logical conclusion of the Christian moral system, and why it's quite possibly the most atrocious moral ideology ever conceived by man. The Bible says the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the holy spirit, which means the ten commandments are just a list of things you can do which god will forgive you for.
No it's not. Jesus has literally taught to go and sin no more. Part of the forgiveness is that we are to serve Him as our Lord and Master and do what He commands. Jesus says that if you sin, you are a slave to sin and those slaves to sin will NOT abide in the house forever. Jesus literally spoke AGAINST going on a cycle of sinning and treating His sacrifice as an excuse to keep on sinning against others and Him. His forgiveness leads to a change of heart and actions.
@@jesussknight4918 No, Jesus has "literally taught" nothing. What you draw your nonsensical conclusions from is a book written, translated, and interpreted by errant men, whom along with your particular flavor of church, convinced you that you should accept that Jesus taught inerrant things in said book. Let's get that out of the way right now if we're going to have an honest conversation.
But if you want the basis of my original comment: Mark 3:28-29 "28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 but he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation"
Blasphemy against the holy spirit is the sole unforgivable sin according to the Wholly Babble. Which, through logical deduction, means that all other sins apart from blasphemy unto the holy spirit are forgivable by god. If all sins apart from blasphemy are not forgivable, then the sacrifice of Jesus was meaningless.
Also, if Jesus was sacrificed so we can be forgiven for our sins, seems like an awful waste of a sacrifice if we're not to sin, doesn't it?
Again, this is why Christianity is no moral system. In fact, it's the opposite of a moral system, it's an immoral system.
@@K31TH3R except you cannot be sinless. That's the whole point. It's impossible to not sin.
@@HostileLemons That sounds like it's god's problem, and not ours, wouldn't you agree?
If a god is going to create a moral standard to which we cannot possibly adhere, then that god created us simply to punish us. If not that, then that god was not capable of creating a species which could possibly meet it's moral standard.
So, logically, that proposed god is either malevolent, or incompetent, right?
Christian: My god is omnipotent. He can do anything
Rational Person: Ok, then why does he need a human sacrifice to forgive sins? Why can't he just forgive?
Christian: Burn in hell heretic!
Rational Person: That's what I thought
@Justin Gary *He doesn't need human sacrifice because He sacrificed Himself*
Was Jesus human? Yes or no Timmy:)
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The Bible has no contradictions, inconsistencies with history, inconsistencies with logic, moral objections, unfulfilled prophecies, or inconsistencies with science..
@Justin Gary It seems like the video went right through your ears.
@@RobotNinjaDestroyer Totally the opposite
8:06 when you explained "this illustration" my mind went 🤯 incredible video and the writing was phenomenal!! I appreciate everyone that works with this channel so much!
I had the same idea many years ago, (jesus being a scapegoat for the mistakes of god), but hearing it this way, was well put. Thanks.
I have always wondered if christianity would spread so hard if jesus was ignored by romans. Maybe jesus was god's tojan horse?
@@Igor369 Haha
@@Igor369 all christians would probably just be Jewish/Muslim then since they’re not super dependent on him anyway.
I wonder what the reason would be for God asking for our forgiveness... Isn't God supposed to be perfect goodness, the absence of sin? How could God have sinned against us? :/
@@Igor369 rabbi Tovia Singer discusses the possible political motivations for claiming Jesus is the messiah. He's on TH-cam if you're interested
Baby Jesus has a really bad three-day weekend for your sins.
I don't get why this god requires bloodshed for forgiveness. I can forgive without it, making me more powerful.
It's almost as if his hands are tied.
Nah, it is more reasonable to suspect that it's just an ancient mythology, not to be taken literally.
Time is relative. Especially when undergoing the process of crucifixion. It is level of physical pain most can't perceive unless they've too been tortured.
Jesus wasn't a baby when he was crucified
Blood is required to show the seriousness of the sacrifice. Blood is vital ("of life") and thus has a high price
Jesus's hands were tied
The reason to suspect it is a myth, or more a story, is the characters are presupposed
You are a flesh and blood entity that resides in the physical universe - by default this makes you more powerful than any “god” concept organized religion ever pushed as they only exist as ideas and only have power so long as people believe in them while you have a degree of power *regardless* of what others believe!
Ancient *jewish* mythology. Most of society's issues can be traced back to one group.
I think the idea with animal sacrifice was to PROVE your remorse by punishing yourself. Still stupid but, that's bronze age people for you.
You are right, I’d love to see a reaction if I sought forgiveness in this method without any Christian dogma backing it up. It’s simply ridiculous to anyone with any sense of justice. Good content, keep up the good work mate.
@@commenterperson4481 you can't seek forgiveness or understanding from something that doesn't exist either. To understand god that god has to actually exist.
The Bible has no contradictions, inconsistencies with history, inconsistencies with logic, moral objections, unfulfilled prophecies, or inconsistencies with science
@@RobotNinjaDestroyer lol yes it absolutely does. It has all of those things. The Bible records two different ages for a king for the exact same event across two different books. Acts and the gospels are filled with historical inconsistencies with dates such as when Theudas was alive. As for logic it has tons of inconsistencies with one being the idea of prayer which is absolutely useless when you think about it logically because if God is all knowing then you cannot possibly pray to have a different outcome and to ask God for something because that would have to mean that you're changing his mind. The prophecy of Ezekiel against Tyre absolutely failed. As for moral objections your Bible literally says you can sell your daughter as a slave. That goes against morals As for scientific inconsistencies the Bible says that plants existed before the sun did and that the sun stopped moving in the sky. Both of these things cannot possibly happen and go directly against science.
Someone by the name of belcantog, made a video about this video which is rather interesting at: th-cam.com/video/YHG-wNd080A/w-d-xo.html
@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite "Bible literally tells you can sell your daughter as a slave" elaborate. Send the verse that tells this
One thing is for sure, Jesus’ story was effective in creating one of the major religious beliefs in the planet that has lasted for more than 2,000 years. If the death and resurrection were not part of that story I don’t think it would have had the same impact. So in a “mysterious way” it worked because here we are thousands of years after all this was written talking about it, atheists and believers.
Its not mysterious, its true. This man is simply wrong.
@@JamecBond aight prove it. And don't do that shit where you just send a 1000 words message and sum it up with "you need to believe".
@@morbius7437 OR “go read the Bible” go read Harry Potter it’s proof magic is real tier argument.
@@NotSoSerious69420 so true.
How Christianity started and continues to this day has always extended way beyond the person of Jesus. Not unlike Santa Claus and Christmas. The gospel writers never even met the man and neither did Paul who seemed to be the one to really give the whole thing legs. The success of the Christian institution has had a lot to do with dedicated teachers evolving the basic message to stay relevant with the times. Always focusing on the corruption of man and the goodness of God. The most high that mercifully stooped to save us poor bastards from our hellbound depravity.
The other thing is all the players involved in making it cultural. I think a lot of that had to do with borrowing already famous themes, recycling them and then integrating them into political agendas.
Just remember one ting.
If we don’t sin, Jesus died in vain.
You should animate the story of Ezekiel.
How INSANE the angels looked, how god commanded him to lay siege to the clay tablets, how to cook his bread, etc.
THAT would be a great video.
By the way, this video is WOW. I never thought of the sacrifice like that.
Thinking and reasoning has no place in faith.
Then that means God doesnt even have faith in himself 🤣
Exactly!
Tell them :)
They say faith doesn't mean blind belief, but instead trust like you trust a close friend or family member, but we're talking about a father who never shows up. I can't trust that.
God ain't gonna catch me when I put on a blindfold and let myself fall backwards.
Good Sir, I beg to differ.
In my Christian training and life there was a great deal of thinking and reasoning. The Fundy friends I associate with still, do indeed think and reason a great deal about their faith/ politics; perhaps, more than I. (Yes, I deliberately joined the two, because that IS modern Fundamentalism; re:1/6/21) However, their thinking, their ability to reason is very tightly channeled; based on Biblical Infallibility and a nearly crippling fear of Doubt. For them, Doubt is the arm of a very real Satan reaching out from a very real Hell to drag them to a very real Eternal Torture. Faith is not a rejection of thinking and reasoning, as you posit; it is a rejection of Doubt. If we lose sight of that; if we are tempted to consider them unthinking automatons; IMHO we are throwing away any possibility for communication. Sir, I believe that communication is vital. We must keep reaching out, even when our efforts are repeatedly rejected. It is that communication that helped us former Theists leave that debilitating fear of doubt behind.
Stay safe Be well
@@dennisbast743 If I disclose to you that I am Jesus, will you doubt?
Noice new upload
Edit: I guess this video would explain why God was so murderous in the old testament but is now more chill in the new. I am always a fan to added lore.
I'd forgive God once we're on the same playing field with him. We can all kill millions of ants in our lifetime and not care about it, but once you get attacked by one the same size as you...
huh, that makes a bit more sense now
@@laaismm3107 I think we're on our way there. Almost makes you want a god to exist so we can get revenge for the things it must have tortured us with
The Bible has no contradictions, inconsistencies with history, inconsistencies with logic, moral objections, unfulfilled prophecies, or inconsistencies with science.
@@RobotNinjaDestroyer alright you can stop now, joke's getting old
It's amazing, and brilliant, that the man who helped me as a young lad 'return' to atheism all those years ago is still going 👍 Thank you for the work that you do.
A sacrifice is giving up something that can never be returned...So, Jesus "sacrificing" his life was NOT a true sacrifice...after Jesus died, he was resurrected, and came back to life...therefore, he lost nothing...then how is this a sacrifice????
Jesus died for our sins and the story of the trinity to form. God knows his ways
Even worse, if you accept the sacrifice of Christ, you get to be bros with him in heaven. i.e. sacrificing him means you get to have him
Hey, put some things in your mind about Christianity:
1) There`s no good person, the ethics in the bible is focused on your thinking, not on your actions. Think bad without action is not be a good person, and according Christianity we`re all sick by a virus called "sin" , and sin makes our hearts and our minds sick, and we`re all are completely incapable to justify ourselves to God`s justice, because we`re all bad. The modern definition of a good person is like "pay your taxes,, go to your job, consume everything around you, always try to be happier, love your parents and your family and die with no murderer in your hands". Tha its too limited compared to the bible diagnosis. I just invite you to rethink about "I'm a good person", people who slaves black lives thought that they`re good too, how many wrong and horrible things we're all doing right now that will be criticized in the future. we don't know, our sense of good morality can be just our illusion about ourselves, there`s no good person.
Mathew 5. 46 "If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?".
2) If all mankind is in sin, and there`s no good person who deserves heaven by justifying himself. so God wrote in the bible "what's in impossible to humans is possible to god", and he gave a part of himself to die in our place for our sins, for all people because God doesn't make difference about persons (Acts 10 34). it's for free without any type o merit, because we will not deserve even with doing "good things" all lifetime living 300 years or 70 times, we can`t pay our debts cause God is an infinity valued mind, and every single insult to his law, even the smallest, will be punished with hell. and that make logic in philosophy.
3) Jesus resurrect because his sacrifice worked because was God`s own sacrifice. and infinity valued sacrifice because the lamb was himself in human life. Jesus Christ. How could people believe in eternal life after death without seeing a resurrect human? Jesus won the Death and the Devil, the resurrection is the proof that the sacrifice works and we all can trust in that and not the proof of Jesus sacrifice anything.
@@wendallily6010
AH, AH, AH..... such a rational argument, SO typical of a christian..... come on, you can do better!!!!!!
@@abilioneto6366 I still don't understand the second one. Don't get me wrong, none of them really hold up, but the second one seems especially backwards. Since God is infinite, shouldn't any insult by a finite being be completely inconsequential? It would kinda be like a human getting upset at a quark for not following their expectations. But even more ridiculous as even though it is orders of magnitude less then us, we are still not infinite to it. So in that example we would be more justified to send that quark to endless torture then God would to us.
If we are finite and God is truly infinite, then we literally might as well not exist as far has they are concerned. It would be like endlessly dividing a number by 1, you can do it over and over and over again but it isn't going to have any effect. The end result would be the same as if you didn't divide the number by 1. As finite beings to an infinite God, we would be that 1.
Edit, second point, not the third one. Mobile view is a pain. Also just Second doesn't have the same ring to it. Third just sounded better in my head.
Mind blown. 🤯
Very thought provoking and common sense.
Really? You seem easily impressed.
The moment you realized that you must -abandon all reason- _have faith,_ you should have learnt all you need to learn about that institution.
@@commenterperson4481 yes these are very thought-provoking ideas because we never thought of them before. I realized how stupid the entire biblical narrative was but I didn't even think about these points that he brought up. I never thought about how meaningless the sacrifice was when he wasn't sacrificing anything at all.
@@commenterperson4481 No, I'm not easily impressed. I find value in thinking things through, which is what this video represents. Rather than assuming something is accurate, it's critical to think it through... if truth and facts are the goal.
@@commenterperson4481 Come on now, be reasonable, that's what these videos are all about. If it were just that simple, the words indoctination, deception, sheeple, cult, brainwashed, wouldn't exist. As a matter of fact, we wouldn't even be making these comments, becaue this video wouldn't.......
Ok what I am about to say has nothing to do with this Jesus sacrifice video but I would appreciate it if everyone can still listen to me because I am about to share something "VERY" important: I request everyone to please watch "three stages of Jihad" by David Wood on the youtube channel "Acts 17 apologetics" and share it with others because the info in there is very important to spread to the world. Please. The info is more important then anything imaginable
The sacrifice the engine mechanics who stayed behind to keep the Titanic afloat long enough to facilitate an escape made is a hell of a lot more impactful.
Case in point:
• They knew they would die and more importantly, STAY dead.
• They didn’t want anything in return from the thousands of people they never knew.
• those mechanics also didn’t threaten to plunge those same people into the depths of the ocean anyway if they didn’t adulate them for the rest of their lives.
• And most importantly of all:
They didn’t fucking place that damn iceberg there in the first place!!
Honestly I forgot how good of a traditional artist you were. Nice work
Your mind is a miracle and your talent is of biblical proportion. Holy crap, 2525, you've got all the goods.
Sacrificing a puppet doesn't have the same effect as sacrificing something of actual substance.
Indeed it does not. It was a completely meaningless gesture.
Even worse when that puppet claims it knows death isn't the end and it will spend the rest of eternity with family. That's not a sacrifice, just a bad childhood.
Oh good. That means you'll be spared from the chopping block.
Yeah, I would rather sacrifice a cow than cabbage for me.
What if Jesus was just a symbolic gesture and God actually sacrificed his powers with and in his son? Maybe that's why God can't intervene anymore, Jesus was a vessel for the powers and with him died the power of God
It's been a great day paulogia, viced rhino, and darkmatter all uploaded new videos
To have woken up because of videos like these and developing a more expansive state of mind, definitely have these paid off on my end, while shaking my head at those who've given their time, energy, and lives. .to absolutely nothing. Thank you.
Thank you for all your hard work, again. I wish I had a voice like yours in my life as a teenager, as I was struggling to resolve the rational vs the ideological that was forced on me as a child.
I know there are people who will benift from this, because I have.
Very very pivotal criticisms in this which I never here Christians discussing. A fascinating flaw to be considered.
Nice sacrificial goat drawing too!
The creator of this video has misconstrued the tenets for which sacrifice was required, it is not a matter of showing 'regret' but rather the fulfillment of justice.
Dude, you're like the voice of reason
Which will fall on the deaf ears of those who cannot be reasoned with.
Yeah, like THE voice of reason. I've studied the Bible for over three decades now (the New testament specifically) and he has revealed things in it that simply went over my head.
This guy is priceless.
What, you mean Alex Belfeild ? 😉
@@scapegoatiscariot2767 By using a cartoon!!! A freaking cartoon!!!! When I found him, I was still willing to be convinced to grovel, slober, and wail all over the place in the name of Jesus. I watched one video, and it was like a refreshing slap in the face of a hysterical, terrified fool. The video clarified just how absolutely ridiculous I was being.
@@martinmowbray4304 more like Geoffrey 😊
A relationship with Jesus is an abusive one one with God. Love me or you suffer and die … sounds messed up to me.
@The Duke Of Flem I think the tornado got them. Guess praying doesn't work.
@Smokey Mcb God created Adam to be obedient and ignorant while commanding love for no reason other than "I'm more powerful than you."
God is an abusive narcissist.
Great essay! Beautiful drawing. These types of questions and explorations are likely what led early Christians to invent the gnostic sects (Sethians, Valentinians, Marcionites, etc.).
I’ve had very similar thoughts about this. Thank you for making them come to life!
This was really good! Your channel has grown so much in the last decade since i started watching you. Congrats on making it this far whilst continuing to provide ever intriguing and meaningful content. Ironically, you've becomethe savior, a way out of the dark for many people. The topics which you cover are not light hearted, they are a dark and serious matter for many lost souls. I'm not sure you picked that name because of this, but it fits.
Beautiful artwork, fellow landscape artist. I rarely draw, but I have a natural gift for this kind of artwork. It’s remarkably time-consuming and tedious, but the result is a reward in itself. Cool time-lapse.
Remember that if you do not sin, then Jesus died for nothing.
I've been watching for over half a decade and it's been a while since a video impressed me as much as this one. I love the intentional shifting of perspectives. God being the original sinner, Adam and Eve his scapegoats. God also being the wolf in sheep's clothing that Jesus warned about. Great stuff!
Never missed an upload, never will.
The Bible has no contradictions, inconsistencies with history, inconsistencies with logic, moral objections, unfulfilled prophecies, or inconsistencies with science.
@@RobotNinjaDestroyer what did Khaje say that made you want to respond to that
You are a voice of logic and reason in a world ive recently found is filled with lies. It seems unreal yet it is very real. Thank you for sharing all you share.
First off I know I am viewing this video a year after it was posted. All very good points regarding the supposed death of Jesus and the purported sacrifice. You mention a couple which I hadn't even thought about, so thank you very much. I have to add that I have always been a fan of your art and as I am a lover of wolf art, I adore this art piece. In fact, when my mother-in-law used to come to stay with us for half a year (after her husband's death) she would always buy t-shirts and sweatshirts for me and my son with wolf designs on front and back from this one certain elderly vendor in Ryazan, Russia which happens to be where my wife grew up. Unfortunately, we lost this beautiful person 2 years ago, but now my wife buys us t-shirts just like her mom did if she makes a trip by herself to check up on our flat their. Do you ever do commissions? Seeing this wolf piece makes me want to ask if you do commissions as I want to inquire about one and depending on your answer and my cash availability maybe we can do something.
I've thought about the non-accountability of Christianity before. But those other concepts are new to me. Without a doubt, these are very insightful reasons to rethink the story. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. Nice art, btw.
Probably your best work yet! I always thought sacrificing the one good person was a fucked up religion.
You completely deconstructed how illogical the whole story is within it's own context, if only more people would think this critically about what they're told.
God wants us to remember that if we don't sin then he sacrificed his Son for nothing. SO PARTY ON!
Your videos, as always, are a pleasure to watch and listen to.
Watching this masterpiece come to life while listening to your words is so satisfying. I love it.
Resurrecting animals sound like Thor's goats.
Lucky for Jesus nobody wanted the tasty marrow from his leg bone.
Please do more of this style of video. Love it
Honestly this interpretation makes sense. Every being grows and evolves over time, and given the nature of fractal patterns wherein an infinite pattern repeats at increasing and decreasing scales (a grain of sand looks like a pebble that looks like a rock that looks like a boulder that looks like a mountain) we can likely assume this is the same for God. As we grow and change, so too does God. And as a child might be impulsive and vengeful an adult is often far more capable of reasoning and reflection which can lead them to become far more forgiving. And as these attitudes mature and change so too does our outlook on our own actions. A child may steal a cookie without guilt, but an adult will often have a bit of a harder time assuaging their burdened conscience.
So it does make perfect sense that as God matured He looked back upon His own actions toward humanity and became rather horrified at what He had done to His own creation, His own children, out of petty spite and a demand for praise and love. So he offered Jesus as a sacrifice to us, an act of contrition.
And because Jesus was said to not only be the Son of God, but also God made manifest into the flesh of mankind it seems that He was in fact offering himself up to us as a form of punishment as well as sacrifice, allowing those who seized Him to enact the retributive justice of mankind upon Him.
In addition to how helpful and impactful your work has been for me over the last two and a half years since becoming an atheist (and even before when I was a believer questioning my faith), your artwork is absolutely stunning. Thank you for your devotion to educating people about the truth!
Somebody recently shared a screenshot of a Tumblr conversation where it's pointed out that Jesus said that if you have issues with constantly looking at attractive women you should gouge out your own eyeballs...
If you take that literally you are a dolt. Jesus often spoke in parables/metaphorical language.
@@ferrisbueller9991 yeah, no shit.
Just pointing out something Jesus said that's nuts if you take what the Bible says literally.
Does that make Jesus less misogynist because he does not cover them head to foot?
@@agimasoschandir why is everyone missing the point of what I posted?
The point is that Jesus supposedly said some insane stuff that'd be pretty horrific if folks actually did everything the Bible said to do.
Thankfully though unfortunately we only have those snake handling cults to deal with nowadays in the US at least.
Excellent analogy...beautiful art work!!! Thank you for both! Enjoying your channel and the gifts you share with us through it. Bless you and your heart and spirit! That is all I have to give you. But it is sincere.
The analogy I liked the best about Jesus was best illustrated by Prophet of Zod and went like this:
A brave Knight hears of a dragon who has kidnapped a beautiful maiden. The knight rides on his mighty steed to go slay the dragon, but upon dealing a decisive, finishing blow, the dragon kills the knight too. The princess holds a funeral for the brave and honorable knight, and the kingdom remembers his sacrifice.
A wizard sees this, all of the veneration, and decides to do the same. He takes a fair maiden, conjures up a dragon of his own design, kills it trivially because he created it, makes a big show about dying, and then uses his magic to come right back, making a kissy-face at the maiden, and demands her reverence for his heroic rescue. Why is the Wizard wrong to do this, when the Knight deserved the reverence?
Aah Yes,God atonement for his sins
and messing things. I thought of this a long time ago and thought ,No one would understand this kinda thought. Nice work 🌠👍
The Bible has no contradictions, inconsistencies with history, inconsistencies with logic, moral objections, unfulfilled prophecies, or inconsistencies with science..
You have as much free will to worship God as free will to comply with a robber that has a gun to your head
So your saying in this case God is the robber and the gun is the threat of him sending you to hell for not believing... when I think about it, it actually makes sense
@@codex988 yes sir. You have free will to not comply with the robber, but he could harm you for not doing what he wants
@@COOL_DAD so my question is then, is God really the good guy?!?
@@codex988 if you read the bible, no, he is not. He killed a lot of people, including children. As of me, I don't believe in God
@@COOL_DAD oh I assumed you were christian with a fucked up sense of morale.
Thank you for making this video. It blew my mind open. I am in a position of questioning my faith and this video helped enormously!!!!
Man, you are talented!
Well I never thought of these things before and it totally destroys the entire narrative of Christianity. I often point out that God sacrificed himself to himself to a piece himself for the mistakes that he made but I never thought about how meaningless the sacrifice was if it wasn't a permanent thing at all and never was intended to be a permanent thing because God had this for knowledge that Jesus would come back so that sacrifice meant literally nothing
Been a major talking point that Vice Rhino and Aron Ra use. He sacrificed a piece of himself for how we are broken by his design. Problem is that he knew Jesus wasn't really going away he would ascend to heaven and join his father and later come back to the earth again. How was that meaningful?
@@Skylancer727 it's not
Religious people would immediately judge this kind of awakening message as a deceptive work of the entity they call "devil". They are blinded by their faith and fooled. Religion is business.
Fun fact: Gautam Buddha was an atheist. He rejected God's existence way before scientific age.
Not really atheist. The idea of gods or God wasn't relevant to reach Nirvana. So you can believe in God or not believe it doesn't matter.
Absolutely brilliant. Thank you.
The apologists' responses should be most interesting, going where disingenuousness has never gone before.
The one about Jesus coming back I already tried the the answers tend to be:
"That's because he vanquished death." (then I repeat the question, because it doesn't solve it, or the person simply leaves the conversation)
"Who are you to question god?"
The person tries to change the subject.
The conversation is interrupted.
How should the apologist respond?
Unfortunately the maker of this video did not do proper research on the christian faith, neither does he understand the principles of justice.
Socrates, the famous philosopher, has been quoted to say, “It may be that God can forgive sins, but I do not see how.”
Socrates understood the concept of justice, he understood that if God had upon him the burden to execute justice, it is impossible to forgive.
Imagine a murderer proven guilty beyond all doubt, goes before the judge and asks for forgiveness, asks to be set free, he pleads that he will never commit another murder or crime again.
No matter how remorseful the criminal may be, it would be unjust for the judge to offer anything but the penalty for said crime. If that judge were to forgive it would be an act of injustice and deriliction of duty. In other words forgiveness is unjust without restitution.
God did not require sacrifice for sins through the the sacrifice of animals because they were ‘important’ to the people offering them. It was not about showing regret by giving up something that had value, it was about the fulfillment of justice.
In the case of the animal sacrifice God permited the guilty sinner to offer an animal in his place, taking on the penalty of guilt so that justice could be met in order for God to then and only then offer forgiveness. Which would foreshadow the ultimate sacrifice in Jesus Christ.
The example of the PlayStation is flawed, because it places the focus and reason for foregiveness on exhibiting the feeling of remorse i.e breaking the playstation rather than restitution. There’s no value in destroying the PlayStation if the chores are not done. The right and just response would be turn off the PlayStation and do the darn chores.
How is killing an innocent creature to take the punishment on your behalf the “fulfillment of justice”? Darkmatter explained it from the point of view of the people of the time. It was a flawed perspective to begin with. And of course they came up with a flawed god as well.
@@thequadraphonicgospels7829 You say that rather than breaking the Playstation the child should just do his chores. Then why doesn't that same logic apply to the animal sacrifices people made to God? To paraphrase you, "The example of [animal sacrifices] is flawed, because it places the focus and reason for foregiveness on exhibiting the feeling of remorse i.e [killing the animal] rather than restitution. There’s no value in destroying the [animal] if the chores are not done. The right and just response would be [leave the animal alone] and do the darn chores."
I'm a simple man, I see darkmatter, I click
DM2525, you are brilliant with this. I've got many family members (an Aunt, Uncles, cousins and a sister) who are very Christian. I'd love to send them all a link to this, but they may not take it well. I did show my sister the one you produced about "God Meets a Christian, a Muslim, and an atheist". I think she got the idea behind it, but didn't want to admit she did. Keep up the GREAT work! I wish I had the funds to support you. But I am subscribed and comment often. Scott W
Darkmatter should be a professional philosopher he just goes so In depth with what he talks about.
I love art created with technical skill like this.
It’s been so long I forgot I was subscribed but it was a pleasant surprise to get this on my notifications.
Everybody talks about Jesus but no one talks about Prometheus. Then man who created humans from the clay, defied the Gods and brought fire to mankind. For this, Prometheus was punished by Zeus, who bound him with chains and sent an eagle to eat Prometheus' immortal liver every day, which then grew back every night for the eagle to eat it again the next day. He knew the stakes of disobeying Zeus' commands but still helped us. He's the true hero and a champion of the humanity, he's the lightbringer (you can also see the similarities between him and Lucifer who also rebelled against God and was called the morning star, lightbringer etc)
Wow so beautiful. Both the art and the subject. Your channel is one of my favourite channel on TH-cam❤️🥰