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I'm an old rider and I still prefer chrome trim, which I think is cool and still old school. I thought it would have made common sense from Harley to have all the bikes in a choice of chrome or black. Not everybody prefers black and there's so many of them on the road now. A car dealership doesn't have just black cars available. I think Harley is shooting themselves in the foot with that thinking. Also love the colour 'mystic shift', like a pearl with metal flake in the paint, but for my taste, I would like that on a Street Glide and I'd rather build my own touring package. That's my 2 cents and Happy New Year Ryan.
It's rare to see a company work so hard to go out of business. Leave it to a foreigner to have no idea who Harley Davidson's core customers are (were....)
I agree Ryan, Harley-Davidson has been behind on many styling changes for years. I too believe they should have added chrome as an option for the Road King Special. Also, they still aren’t putting LED lights on all models and my biggest gripe of all is not putting chrome lower forks on chrome trim bikes. I’m a chrome guy and have never understood why they don’t do that. If you get a black trimmed bike the lower forks are nice and finished to match, but not on a chrome bike. They still put that cheap dull looking crap lower forks on there. Sometimes H-D sucks big time, but that’s to be expected when a motorcycle company with the history of Harley-Davidson is being run by people that aren’t even bikers. Harley has lasted and become the major brand they have because of the people that built it. Now you have a CEO that has his claim to fame as a shoe company CEO and a board made up of people that don’t even ride motorcycles. Thanks for putting out great videos, especially your documentary films! ✌🏼
you're right about the forks. if you have a chromed trimmed touring bike, it just looks dorky leaving the front end without. especially if you have an upgraded dresser like a special or an ultra. come on Harley.
@@davebrake It’s bothered me ever since they started the blacked out look and they have nice matching clean looking forks. I’ve got a ‘21 Road Glide Special and it’s going to cost me several hundreds of dollars to get them in chrome, but I won’t buy them from Harley!
I also think if they basically just had a ‘build as you like’ on all bikes on their website it would sell more bikes. That way you could build from base to CVO and pick the colours you want
Chrome bikes are classic, but I am too lazy to keep the chrome clean; hence, I own a blacked out Harley Street Bob. Price increases suck! The biggest complaint is the charge for the upgraded paint scheme-they look nice but are they worth it?
I bought a Blue Burst Street Glide on Saturday after hearing about the price increase coming for the same bike in 2025. Got a huge discount from the 2024 price as well, I was shocked! Got a not specactular but good enough trade in allowance for my '20 Street Glide. And yes, at 63, I think I just bought my last new HD as well.
Love your channel, Ryan. Since 2016 I used to buy a brand new CVO SG every year up to 2023. I sat back and realized it was silly to be paying the outlandish prices. I sold my last CVO and bought a 2016 Ultra Limited Low in showroom condition with only 7,700 miles on it, for $12K, loving it.
No wonder dealerships are closing in the UK. My current bike is a 2019 model black painted Ultra Limited, bought a year ago with 29K miles on it for £13.750. In great condition for its age. Last year did a 4K mile ride to the EU as far as the Czech Rep and Poland. This years schedule is Portugal, Spain and France for six weeks. Arthritis loves warm climates. Most of the servicing is simple enough but, may take it to an indie dealer to have some mechanical work checks done, just to keep them in work.
I‘m a Road Glide guy, but I‘ve seen on another vid the Street Glide mystic shift chrome trim already delivered to a store, that one looks amazing. Happy new year Ryan.
On another video the individual was showing a Chopped ($467) or King ($746) Tour pack as an option, also the Road Glide LImited package for $1238.93 (Tour pack & Lowers). No speakers in the tour pack per that video. Lowers looked a lot like the Indian Pursuit Lowers. Off Week Garage...
I purchased my first bagger back in 2002. It was a carburetor model, not fuel injection. The fuel injection model was $500.00 more. It was a vivid black Electric Glide. Back then there was a standard, no radio or tour pack. Basically a street glide before they announced it, was $17995.00. Then the Electric Glide , radio and tour pack. It cost was $18995.00. Lastly the Electric Glide Ultra. the lowers were added. $19995.00. Now I have had several in-between, but I purchased my first Road Glide in 2015 in Amber Whiskey. I blacked it all out. The first time I didn't have chrome. In 2017 I purchased a Superior Blue. I chromed the heck out of it. Now in 2024 I purchased a Road Glide in Whiskey Fire, for $24995.00 and it is blacked out. I think certain colors just stand out more black then chrome, and vise a versa. Like you said in the video prices will always go up on the norm, however if you look back at 2002 when I paid $18995.00 to 2024 when i paid $24995.00, it's only $6000.00 difference. You have to look at what I got in technology as well as safety over the years. Small price, don't you think. Compare that to automobiles and housing, how they have gone up over the years. Just sayin
I like the new blue. I hope the flames can be ordered with any trim at some point. I am not a fan of "sell less for more." Harley has adopted. I forgot to add. Bring back the basic Sportster.
My gut says they had to completely redesign everything, including the factory processes. So, it's going to be a slow drip to get everything changed over. IMO
Sales strategy to improve sales on aging 2024 stock across the dealer floors. If they can sell them, I see dealers offering “rebates” by mid summer on 2025’s….
I was definitely with you with the chrome because all four of my white bikes are trimmed in chrome. However I have to disagree with the Street Glide over Road Glide.
Ya love the street glide fairing better than the road glide for some reason, maybe cuz it moves with the bars which seems to me a more pleasing design as I goes with your line of sight when turning as opposed to the road glide that seems not to not do that…
I think HD is trying to move in the direction that it is known for in other countries, a premium brand that only the top earning class can afford, sad because that is not what makes us love the brand. If you go to a Harley dealer in any country in South America, or Europe it is extremely expensive. Only CEO's roll on a HD there. A 2K$ mark up + a 2900 for the firestorm paint + 1350 black trim + the freight was raised 200$ + (RDRS??? on the road king its still 1100) Ugly wheels, no inverted forks, crappy speakers, basic seat, no heated grips and a Crappy matt black inner fairing that EVERYONE WANTS TO PAINT. WTF??? You would think the upgraded paint would include the inner fairing, but no...
100% I rode a Goldwing DCT Tour yesterday and loved it yesterday. $29,700 with waaaaay more amenities included. I have a 22 RG and was offered more for a trade than the HD dealer I bought the bike from. I’m done with HD. It was fun while it lasted.
yeah, good points for sure. Yet, HD still the number one selling motorcycle in the "US" for many many years now. Definitely the biggest market with money it seems. Thx for commenting and watching!
Yeah, Honda a good bike, no doubt. But, in reality, there not really competitors at face value. They are two totally different machines and vibe. The way they look, feel, and ride. Some want to still feel an American made V-Twin. But some will want a Honda. Each to their own. However, there's a reason HD is still the number one selling motorcycle in the US for many many years. Thx for commenting and watching!
Any updates on the Pan America? Seems like a good platform if you want a bike that can ride on dirt or gravely roads if you end up on that kind of surface but also a bike that has the potential for street spirited riding as well with some modifications…nice power plant hp and torque….
Keep the limited! Been riding them for the last 14 years. I think I would buy a new one if they did. I want a full touring bike without having to piece it together.
Absolutely. You will have those people willing to piece together a full on loaded touring bike but many will not. What would resale be on a cobbled together touring bike? On Saturday I traded in a 2020 Street Glide with a color matched, lighted tour pack with speakers. Dealer didn't want to give me anything extra for that, said the book value is the book value. So good luck making the numbers work long term on cobbled together loaded touring bikes made from a basic Street Glide or Road Glide. Harley is so crafty at coming up with ways to trick people into spending more these days, like trying to make CVO's more mainstream by giving them features everyone wants but forcing the high price tag on us. Maybe the new "Ultra" will be a special "CVO" model that costs a fortune, if you want a loaded touring bike. More market share lost. Out of touch.
You nailed it Ryan, I love the chrome!!!! They should offer all colors with both chrome or black. Keeping my Dyna Wide Glide. Too bad for the Road King. That would look great with chrome. Maybe on the 23rd, we will see some bikes worth the crazy money they want for them. Love what you're doing with your web site and videos. I love my phone gripper I got from your store! Thanks, It is the strongest phone gripper out there. Cheers Brudda!
Any insight on the 25 FLHTP? Going to get the 117 or still have the 114? My dealer isn't sure, so I figure it will retain the 114. Have one ordered, last update was it is supposed to arrive last week of February.
I have not had any word. My belief is nothing will change with the 25' FLHTP. The last line to ever change anything. They've certainly got much stock of FLHTP with the Rushmore fairing. Plus the new IFCU infotainment dash is in the way of police radios and equipment. And you can't have a new bike without that system. It controls everything. I think it will take time to work that out on the FLHTP. Just my thoughts. I certainly could be wrong.
@RyanUrlacher yeah, figured they have plenty of leftover Rushmore fairings and you're right, the P models are the last to update since they're able to use up old parts on them. Was just holding out hope they would at least upgrade to the 117... Not that there's anything wrong with the 114, heck, I'm still on a 2016 FLHP with a 103, so the 114 will be an upgrade regardless.
I keep hearing the chrome process has become highly regulated by the epa and is getting expensive, could that be why Harley has pulled back a bit on it???
Not sure. But, that is true. Many chrome parts we sell in the Law Abiding Biker Store we are slow to stock as we're waiting on chromers. Not as many these days. Very regulated here in the US. Not sure HD is doing the chore work here though. Likely elsewhere where it's not so regulated.
Hopefully for the price increase of these bikes, HD would at least take whatever problems there were with the new designed '24 models and fix them. Correct whatever discrepancies that came with them. Things like wiring harness, electronic stuff, etc.
Why is the Road Glide now priced $250 More than the Street Glide!? Just because it is more popular? I'm a Chrome Guy, Love My Whiskey Fire Street Glide with Chrome 😃😎 Definitely sucks that the color choices are limited with the Chrome. If I were to choose a color from the 2025, it would probably be the Iron Horse Metallic 👌😁
I would say Harley-Davidson marketing research showed the Road King not popular enough to initiate an engine change, chrome or limited colors. Maybe the price to make those options available they felt it would be to expensive and customers would go to a Street Glide or Road Glide.
I personally want to be able to order and purchase an Ultra Limited the way it should come as a package and not have to piece mill it. I should be able to select it in chrome if I want it as well. For what the bikes cost you should be able to have options. If Harley doesn’t wake up, there’s a generation of riders they’re leaving behind. Indian and other manufacturers are there if Harley doesn’t care to listen to their customers. Appreciate you taking our feedback. I’ve shared it with many dealers. Don’t think anyone is listening. No one’s at home anymore it doesn’t seem! Chris
I'm a chrome guy, I just don't get the black out look at all. I'm wondering why you can get the white with chrome on the SG, but not the RG. It's is a color I would consider. I like the reds the best. The iron horse looks interesting, but hard to tell what color it is on the website. I thought last year was a pretty big price drop considering what you got, like the RDS, 117 engine etc. Its a reason there are still so many '23 models still in the showroom. They want more for the 23 than the new 24. With this price increase, I think it will help clear out the '24s. I plan to be in the market this year, and won't matter if its a 23 or 24 since they are the same. But, hope they got the Skyline electronic bugs figured out.
@ Ryan: Thank you for this video! Will we see a revamped Softail platform? Based upon that ominous photo we might see a new Lowrider / Lowrider ST with a high output 117 and new electronics. You can see the TFT from the Sportster S and RevMax Controls on that photo. So maybe all other 2025 Softail models might come with the 117 as standard. I feel we won"t see the Sport Glide again. Maybe a new Superglide Sport / T-Sport ? And the RevMaxes? Here in Germany and in Europe in general the by far most "successful" (half decent sales numbers) model is the Sportster S. The PanAm is liked, what the people buy are GSes and V4 Multistradas. PanAm sales dropped 70% from 22 to 23 alone, the 24 numbers might be even more devastating. The Nightster was ignored completely right from the start. Harley Davidson is a part of German automotive history. The Evo Sporties were and still are extremly loved, the 48 and Iron 883 held top 20 spots in the overall sales numbers basically as long as they existed. Apart from that Germany is all about naked bikes (and Adventure Bikes), so when HD cut the Evo Sportster and witheld the Bronx the Nightster felt like a slap in the face. But I see potential for a CVO Sportster S. With the 150 hp high output RevMax and upraded suspension & brakes.
I love the RG digs!! 😎 I’ve a 2023 SG-ST in the pearl white. This is black trim over chrome. I’ve always been a chrome guy, but the ST has grown on me!! I feel like we will see a 2025 RoadKing upgrade with a 117 ( or 121)? Just my thoughts I think from a business perspective, it would save Harley $$ to stop the ultras and just al cart and upgrade. Trikes are for the special people… we all know them, like the state trooper special person… 😂😂 ( joking)
I’m like you Ryan, I like chrome. Been riding for years, had many different bikes, I remember when blacked out bikes were the cheapest, and probably still are to build, probably why Harley is pushing them.
I like the blacked out look. I have the low rider s, looks meaner and more aggressive all blacked out. Your more classic style bikes, I get it, people like the chrome. Although I do like the heritage blacked out as well, especially with that gold color they came out with a year ago. Looked sharp with it blacked out
The thing I like about blacked out bikes is their back to basics, no bling / all business look. Looks like it's about putting on miles, not shining in the sun. Like a work truck, all business. Which is fundamentally opposite from the current Harley way, they charge extra for black as if it was more deluxe, more exclusive, more expensive. Black HAS to be less expensive to produce than chrome, right? WTH is up with charging a premium for it, it's like blatantly screwing us over with no shame whatsoever. There should be a deduct for black. They're still going to sell both, but blacked out bikes should be cheaper.
@1Steson absolutely agree with you. Just like in 2023 they charged extra for abs on low rider s, that was standard on the years before. Claiming there was a shortage of parts. Well if that's the case, then the price should be lower on the 23 for no abs then the price on 22 that came with abs
I got off a bad accident. But decided to ride again. I just bought a 2024 low rider s in October while Harley was doing the 3,000 off. Plus I knew there would be a price hike this year so I jumped on the 24
I’m same way. Will keep my 2019 Ultra Limited due to Chrome. If Harley doesn’t give option for Chrome in the future, a brand change may be in my future. Don’t care for the blacked out looked. Old school! Thanks!
The fact the road king has not got the 117 motor is a joke. I agree with you about the chrome. I ride a 2012 RKC and love it. I’ve had 88,96,103, and 114 motors. Went back to the twin cam. My opinion is the twin cam sounds more like a Harley. About the price increase- Harley has been out pricing their base for years. They turned their back on the people who made the company- blue collar hard working USA.
I believe killing the limited or the ultra would be a big mistake. If you build one from a road glide or street glide you will be walking out the door with taxes over 40 thousand that’s crazy. I’ll be keeping my 2019 road glide ultra for some time it is a free ride and looks awesome
Love the entrainment of this channel and others but I love my Twin Cam 2015 Ultra with 63000 and I’m hoping to get 100,000 service then I’ll remember these video buy me good used 2025. To me it’s about riding with my wife two up and reliability and making the bike my own. I think most Harley Riders like buying their own after market. If you want to buy everything you need then those Customers will go to Indian or Golding.
I also have a twin cam 2015 Ultra and that bike isn't going anywhere! Those bikes were so classy, I think history will look back fondly on that era of bike. I am fortunate enough with shed space and enough $ to have a second bike - my second bike has been a 20 Street Glide Special that I just traded for a '24 Street Glide. That will be my "run around" short rides / errands bike but the top bike in my shed for comfort and looks is still going to be the '15 Ultra unless that new bike is really, really special somehow.
As a young man, I couldn’t afford a Harley Davidson. Later in life after becoming more well established, I bought my first Harley. Then over time another and another. Now that I’m retired, I once again can’t afford what New Harleys have come to cost. Will the motor company be able find a customer base going forward? , time will tell.
With all Harleys latest troubles with the company, the price increases will hurt them even further. I wouldn't even consider buying a street or road glide for 1700 more with virtually no changes. Last year's price made me consider it but now, forget it. I'll keep my 2020 for another 10 years and buy used after that.
HD are starting to take the piss now. The price difference from last year is in part down to inflation but also greed. Limited options all round for the same old same old. Some of the paint options are also ridiculous, having to pay for black now…come on Harley, it does not cost you nearly 3k for a paint job so why try and rape your customers again. If I was HD I would delay and update every 2 years. Great video Ryan. Thanks for the information.
Chrome for the Road King ? Of course, but this is the too cool Road King Special, for me this was never the actual Road King, because lacking other Road King features as well (detail : my first new H-D was the first 1994 Road King in "blue", currently own the 2013 Anniversary, also from new). Indeed the other color options should be available for the chrome trim as well. Road Glide increases more because it is the most popular now. Typical Harley strategy since the times when the Heritage Classic was the most popular, but relatively expensive for what you got. Now there is no "Touring Package" for 2025 (in 2024 : Long Haul Package) available (yet?) in the builder on the website, maybe per Jan 23rd, otherwise new complete Limited models in new outfit, maybe even as a new CVO.
Still got my 2016 ELECTRA GLIDE ULTRA CLASSIC LOW, until they come out with something worth changing for i am keeping it, chrome will always be my choice
I think they will launch the new touring bike with redesigned lowers and tour packs and probably CVO ultras at the same time . Road kings and trikes will get redesigned next year .pan America 850 ? Maybe . Chrome 👍👍
As a owner of a "custom paint" bike 21 Road Glide Limited in SnakeVenum, I like the mystic shift and wouldn't mind the paint up charge however add in the price increase and I'm out! I think the latest technology and styling is great however a $2K increase for no changes at all I'm stumped as th what the motor company is up to???
Harley needs to look at what’s happening with the car market. If they keep raising their prices with no improvements they are going to lose market share. Most Harley folks are middle class working Americans. They will lose sales because it. Folks can only afford what they can afford. I would love new bike but I can’t afford one now.
I think you meant the 24's that are left, but yes, I bought one Saturday. And I wasn't even really in the market for a new bike, my '20 SG Special was doing it's job. Huge discount on the '24 SG I bought, not to mention avoiding the increase on the 25's. At 63 I decided it was now or never, so I chose now. You never know what tomorrow will bring.
Looks like all they want is more money for nothing more in return. The biggest "dick move" they made was charging more for black last year. Inflation is a thing, but all they've been doing is cutting corners to cut cost and raising prices. Add that to the "motorcycle phenomenon" of dealers never taking less than MSRP on new and wanting MSRP on used, is a unique situation due to the fact that a motorcycle is considered a luxury item which also raises the cost of financing. Guess that's just the way it is for a "want" vs a necessity.
I would absolutely look at buying a new Road King if they offered it in chrome. I do NOT like the blacked out look, it’s WAY overplayed. Also, for the price they could include a windshield. Just saying
@ all the stuff you were anxiously reporting as the first to do so. The “carry over” models were expected. Seems you TH-cam reporters want to be the first to report something new. Thats why I commented, “ yes, we know”. Got it? I do like your channel by the way. And just because you’re a motor officer does not mean you’re the only people that know how to ride motorcycles properly.
Harley has adopted the philosophy they will build less motorcycles and make more money off the ones they do sell. It's an approach Ford, GM, and Dodge also took. It's not working out well for the car mfgrs, and it won't work out well for HD either.
Harley does things that don’t make sense. The chrome is what I love. I been waiting for the chrome Road King Spl or even a chrome std with the new 117. I grew up in the 80s. On back of Dads kickstart Norton. Racing MX and riding trails on mid 80s KX’s. I want something without a computer screen and Dangit I hate these blacked out engines.
It's all they same crap harley over priced and what changes the ugly looking color. They need to bring back the colors of 2015 to 2017. Those were killer colors. Candy colors. From PPG
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I'm more into black. It's easier to look more clean
I'm an old rider and I still prefer chrome trim, which I think is cool and still old school. I thought it would have made common sense from Harley to have all the bikes in a choice of chrome or black. Not everybody prefers black and there's so many of them on the road now. A car dealership doesn't have just black cars available. I think Harley is shooting themselves in the foot with that thinking. Also love the colour 'mystic shift', like a pearl with metal flake in the paint, but for my taste, I would like that on a Street Glide and I'd rather build my own touring package. That's my 2 cents and Happy New Year Ryan.
It's rare to see a company work so hard to go out of business. Leave it to a foreigner to have no idea who Harley Davidson's core customers are (were....)
I agree Ryan, Harley-Davidson has been behind on many styling changes for years. I too believe they should have added chrome as an option for the Road King Special. Also, they still aren’t putting LED lights on all models and my biggest gripe of all is not putting chrome lower forks on chrome trim bikes. I’m a chrome guy and have never understood why they don’t do that. If you get a black trimmed bike the lower forks are nice and finished to match, but not on a chrome bike. They still put that cheap dull looking crap lower forks on there. Sometimes H-D sucks big time, but that’s to be expected when a motorcycle company with the history of Harley-Davidson is being run by people that aren’t even bikers. Harley has lasted and become the major brand they have because of the people that built it. Now you have a CEO that has his claim to fame as a shoe company CEO and a board made up of people that don’t even ride motorcycles.
Thanks for putting out great videos, especially your documentary films! ✌🏼
Thanks for the feedback, and thanks for watching!
you're right about the forks. if you have a chromed trimmed touring bike, it just looks dorky leaving the front end without. especially if you have an upgraded dresser like a special or an ultra. come on Harley.
@@davebrake It’s bothered me ever since they started the blacked out look and they have nice matching clean looking forks. I’ve got a ‘21 Road Glide Special and it’s going to cost me several hundreds of dollars to get them in chrome, but I won’t buy them from Harley!
I also think if they basically just had a ‘build as you like’ on all bikes on their website it would sell more bikes. That way you could build from base to CVO and pick the colours you want
Chrome bikes are classic, but I am too lazy to keep the chrome clean; hence, I own a blacked out Harley Street Bob. Price increases suck! The biggest complaint is the charge for the upgraded paint scheme-they look nice but are they worth it?
Glad I bought my 2024 Whiskey Fire/ chrome Roadglide last Fall ! $1700 increase in 2025 ? yikes 😳! At 59 I think I just bought my last new HD!
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I bought a Blue Burst Street Glide on Saturday after hearing about the price increase coming for the same bike in 2025. Got a huge discount from the 2024 price as well, I was shocked! Got a not specactular but good enough trade in allowance for my '20 Street Glide. And yes, at 63, I think I just bought my last new HD as well.
Thanks for the update - happy new year 🎆
Happy new year!
Love your channel, Ryan. Since 2016 I used to buy a brand new CVO SG every year up to 2023. I sat back and realized it was silly to be paying the outlandish prices. I sold my last CVO and bought a 2016 Ultra Limited Low in showroom condition with only 7,700 miles on it, for $12K, loving it.
Thanks for sharing!
Do you think they will ever bring the hydraulic clutch back?
My gut says no. I think they save too much money using the older cable system. IMO
No wonder dealerships are closing in the UK. My current bike is a 2019 model black painted Ultra Limited, bought a year ago with 29K miles on it for £13.750. In great condition for its age.
Last year did a 4K mile ride to the EU as far as the Czech Rep and Poland.
This years schedule is Portugal, Spain and France for six weeks. Arthritis loves warm climates.
Most of the servicing is simple enough but, may take it to an indie dealer to have some mechanical work checks done, just to keep them in work.
I‘m a Road Glide guy, but I‘ve seen on another vid the Street Glide mystic shift chrome trim already delivered to a store, that one looks amazing. Happy new year Ryan.
Happy New Year! Thx for commenting and watching!
Red Bay, Alabama here. Thanks for the video! Still riding my 2020 Road Glide Standard.
Thanks for watching, keep the rubber side down!
On another video the individual was showing a Chopped ($467) or King ($746) Tour pack as an option, also the Road Glide LImited package for $1238.93 (Tour pack & Lowers). No speakers in the tour pack per that video. Lowers looked a lot like the Indian Pursuit Lowers. Off Week Garage...
I purchased my first bagger back in 2002. It was a carburetor model, not fuel injection. The fuel injection model was $500.00 more. It was a vivid black Electric Glide. Back then there was a standard, no radio or tour pack. Basically a street glide before they announced it, was $17995.00. Then the Electric Glide , radio and tour pack. It cost was $18995.00. Lastly the Electric Glide Ultra. the lowers were added. $19995.00. Now I have had several in-between, but I purchased my first Road Glide in 2015 in Amber Whiskey. I blacked it all out. The first time I didn't have chrome. In 2017 I purchased a Superior Blue. I chromed the heck out of it. Now in 2024 I purchased a Road Glide in Whiskey Fire, for $24995.00 and it is blacked out. I think certain colors just stand out more black then chrome, and vise a versa. Like you said in the video prices will always go up on the norm, however if you look back at 2002 when I paid $18995.00 to 2024 when i paid $24995.00, it's only $6000.00 difference. You have to look at what I got in technology as well as safety over the years. Small price, don't you think. Compare that to automobiles and housing, how they have gone up over the years. Just sayin
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I like the new blue. I hope the flames can be ordered with any trim at some point. I am not a fan of "sell less for more." Harley has adopted. I forgot to add. Bring back the basic Sportster.
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Chrome all the way
Chrome!!! 🤘 hahahaha
wait u dont really ride on one of those things do u
I like chrome. But some nice 25 color w/black.
Very disappointing is the fairings and motor on the 25 trikes. Wish they were updated. Trying to decide Rg3 at this time in my life.
I hear you - hard to make a decision when the options seem limited.
They just did a complete redesign last year with new motors, fairings, suspension etc lol. What did you expect???
@kanesword9528 Wish there was upgrade on the RG3 and Triglide.
My favorite color for 2025 is the Iron Horse ..
Good-Day Ryan, Deeply enjoy your video contents. Do you have any idea Why Harley did not expand the New Style Batwing on the Tri-Glide Trike????????
My gut says they had to completely redesign everything, including the factory processes. So, it's going to be a slow drip to get everything changed over. IMO
Sales strategy to improve sales on aging 2024 stock across the dealer floors. If they can sell them, I see dealers offering “rebates” by mid summer on 2025’s….
I was definitely with you with the chrome because all four of my white bikes are trimmed in chrome. However I have to disagree with the Street Glide over Road Glide.
Street Glide!! 🤟 Hahahaha. all in good fun.....
Ya love the street glide fairing better than the road glide for some reason, maybe cuz it moves with the bars which seems to me a more pleasing design as I goes with your line of sight when turning as opposed to the road glide that seems not to not do that…
I like the look overall better too. IMO. Thx for commenting and watching!
At these price points I’ll be keeping my 2011 for a good while. Maybe a used bike in a few years.
I think HD is trying to move in the direction that it is known for in other countries, a premium brand that only the top earning class can afford, sad because that is not what makes us love the brand. If you go to a Harley dealer in any country in South America, or Europe it is extremely expensive. Only CEO's roll on a HD there. A 2K$ mark up + a 2900 for the firestorm paint + 1350 black trim + the freight was raised 200$ + (RDRS??? on the road king its still 1100) Ugly wheels, no inverted forks, crappy speakers, basic seat, no heated grips and a Crappy matt black inner fairing that EVERYONE WANTS TO PAINT. WTF??? You would think the upgraded paint would include the inner fairing, but no...
100% I rode a Goldwing DCT Tour yesterday and loved it yesterday. $29,700 with waaaaay more amenities included. I have a 22 RG and was offered more for a trade than the HD dealer I bought the bike from. I’m done with HD. It was fun while it lasted.
@@crossfitfortunasame here I am just waiting on the ‘25 Goldwing release as I rode a ‘24 wing dct was awesome.
@@gp62902 do you know of any changes to the 25 wing?
yeah, good points for sure. Yet, HD still the number one selling motorcycle in the "US" for many many years now. Definitely the biggest market with money it seems. Thx for commenting and watching!
Yeah, Honda a good bike, no doubt. But, in reality, there not really competitors at face value. They are two totally different machines and vibe. The way they look, feel, and ride. Some want to still feel an American made V-Twin. But some will want a Honda. Each to their own. However, there's a reason HD is still the number one selling motorcycle in the US for many many years. Thx for commenting and watching!
Any updates on the Pan America? Seems like a good platform if you want a bike that can ride on dirt or gravely roads if you end up on that kind of surface but also a bike that has the potential for street spirited riding as well with some modifications…nice power plant hp and torque….
I speak of the Pan near the end of the video
They’re dead - go on market place. You can find them at one yer old for $12k. Why would anyone spend $20k on one and lose half their money in a year?
Keep the limited! Been riding them for the last 14 years. I think I would buy a new one if they did. I want a full touring bike without having to piece it together.
Thanks for watching, I hope they do too!
Absolutely. You will have those people willing to piece together a full on loaded touring bike but many will not. What would resale be on a cobbled together touring bike? On Saturday I traded in a 2020 Street Glide with a color matched, lighted tour pack with speakers. Dealer didn't want to give me anything extra for that, said the book value is the book value. So good luck making the numbers work long term on cobbled together loaded touring bikes made from a basic Street Glide or Road Glide.
Harley is so crafty at coming up with ways to trick people into spending more these days, like trying to make CVO's more mainstream by giving them features everyone wants but forcing the high price tag on us. Maybe the new "Ultra" will be a special "CVO" model that costs a fortune, if you want a loaded touring bike. More market share lost. Out of touch.
The lowrider ST better get a better gauge
@@dandude2010 they also need to come equipped with the Rockford Fosgate from the factory!!
You nailed it Ryan, I love the chrome!!!! They should offer all colors with both chrome or black. Keeping my Dyna Wide Glide. Too bad for the Road King. That would look great with chrome. Maybe on the 23rd, we will see some bikes worth the crazy money they want for them. Love what you're doing with your web site and videos. I love my phone gripper I got from your store! Thanks, It is the strongest phone gripper out there. Cheers Brudda!
Appreciate the feedback!
Any insight on the 25 FLHTP? Going to get the 117 or still have the 114? My dealer isn't sure, so I figure it will retain the 114. Have one ordered, last update was it is supposed to arrive last week of February.
I have not had any word. My belief is nothing will change with the 25' FLHTP. The last line to ever change anything. They've certainly got much stock of FLHTP with the Rushmore fairing. Plus the new IFCU infotainment dash is in the way of police radios and equipment. And you can't have a new bike without that system. It controls everything. I think it will take time to work that out on the FLHTP. Just my thoughts. I certainly could be wrong.
@RyanUrlacher yeah, figured they have plenty of leftover Rushmore fairings and you're right, the P models are the last to update since they're able to use up old parts on them. Was just holding out hope they would at least upgrade to the 117... Not that there's anything wrong with the 114, heck, I'm still on a 2016 FLHP with a 103, so the 114 will be an upgrade regardless.
I keep hearing the chrome process has become highly regulated by the epa and is getting expensive, could that be why Harley has pulled back a bit on it???
Not sure. But, that is true. Many chrome parts we sell in the Law Abiding Biker Store we are slow to stock as we're waiting on chromers. Not as many these days. Very regulated here in the US. Not sure HD is doing the chore work here though. Likely elsewhere where it's not so regulated.
The mystic shift on chrome street glide is my favorite of the new colors so far
It's cool!!!!!
Limited should be available.
Hopefully for the price increase of these bikes, HD would at least take whatever problems there were with the new designed '24 models and fix them. Correct whatever discrepancies that came with them. Things like wiring harness, electronic stuff, etc.
Why? Some idiot dazzled by some "new color" will buy em.
I’m with you I like the chrome I’m hanging onto my 2014 CVO Limited
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Nothing looks more like Harley for me than Road king classic but …GERMAN CEO killed it
Chrome is cool, but the black powder coat finish is easier to live with. Id like to see them come back out with the blonde engine treatment.
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Why is the Road Glide now priced $250 More than the Street Glide!? Just because it is more popular? I'm a Chrome Guy, Love My Whiskey Fire Street Glide with Chrome 😃😎 Definitely sucks that the color choices are limited with the Chrome. If I were to choose a color from the 2025, it would probably be the Iron Horse Metallic 👌😁
I have the 2024 road glide chrome and vivid black, awesome
do u drink bud light
I would say Harley-Davidson marketing research showed the Road King not popular enough to initiate an engine change, chrome or limited colors. Maybe the price to make those options available they felt it would be to expensive and customers would go to a Street Glide or Road Glide.
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I personally want to be able to order and purchase an Ultra Limited the way it should come as a package and not have to piece mill it. I should be able to select it in chrome if I want it as well. For what the bikes cost you should be able to have options. If Harley doesn’t wake up, there’s a generation of riders they’re leaving behind. Indian and other manufacturers are there if Harley doesn’t care to listen to their customers. Appreciate you taking our feedback. I’ve shared it with many dealers. Don’t think anyone is listening. No one’s at home anymore it doesn’t seem! Chris
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I'm a chrome guy, I just don't get the black out look at all. I'm wondering why you can get the white with chrome on the SG, but not the RG. It's is a color I would consider. I like the reds the best. The iron horse looks interesting, but hard to tell what color it is on the website.
I thought last year was a pretty big price drop considering what you got, like the RDS, 117 engine etc. Its a reason there are still so many '23 models still in the showroom. They want more for the 23 than the new 24.
With this price increase, I think it will help clear out the '24s.
I plan to be in the market this year, and won't matter if its a 23 or 24 since they are the same. But, hope they got the Skyline electronic bugs figured out.
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They are killing the RKS at that $. Maybe we will see a new RK wet head in the future. Long Live The King!
Rock on!
@ Ryan: Thank you for this video!
Will we see a revamped Softail platform?
Based upon that ominous photo we might see a new Lowrider / Lowrider ST with a high output 117 and new electronics. You can see the TFT from the Sportster S and RevMax Controls on that photo.
So maybe all other 2025 Softail models might come with the 117 as standard.
I feel we won"t see the Sport Glide again. Maybe a new Superglide Sport / T-Sport ?
And the RevMaxes?
Here in Germany and in Europe in general the by far most "successful" (half decent sales numbers) model is the Sportster S. The PanAm is liked, what the people buy are GSes and V4 Multistradas. PanAm sales dropped 70% from 22 to 23 alone, the 24 numbers might be even more devastating.
The Nightster was ignored completely right from the start. Harley Davidson is a part of German automotive history. The Evo Sporties were and still are extremly loved, the 48 and Iron 883 held top 20 spots in the overall sales numbers basically as long as they existed.
Apart from that Germany is all about naked bikes (and Adventure Bikes), so when HD cut the Evo Sportster and witheld the Bronx the Nightster felt like a slap in the face.
But I see potential for a CVO Sportster S. With the 150 hp high output RevMax and upraded suspension & brakes.
I'm hoping for a new low rider ST!!!!! Thx for commenting and watching!
I love the RG digs!! 😎 I’ve a 2023 SG-ST in the pearl white. This is black trim over chrome. I’ve always been a chrome guy, but the ST has grown on me!!
I feel like we will see a 2025 RoadKing upgrade with a 117 ( or 121)? Just my thoughts
I think from a business perspective, it would save Harley $$ to stop the ultras and just al cart and upgrade.
Trikes are for the special people… we all know them, like the state trooper special person… 😂😂 ( joking)
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I'm old school. . I like chrome too
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Looks like HD filings in AUS have confirmed a 2025 FLHXU is coming.
Nice!!
I’m like you Ryan, I like chrome. Been riding for years, had many different bikes, I remember when blacked out bikes were the cheapest, and probably still are to build, probably why Harley is pushing them.
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I like the blacked out look. I have the low rider s, looks meaner and more aggressive all blacked out. Your more classic style bikes, I get it, people like the chrome. Although I do like the heritage blacked out as well, especially with that gold color they came out with a year ago. Looked sharp with it blacked out
The thing I like about blacked out bikes is their back to basics, no bling / all business look. Looks like it's about putting on miles, not shining in the sun. Like a work truck, all business. Which is fundamentally opposite from the current Harley way, they charge extra for black as if it was more deluxe, more exclusive, more expensive. Black HAS to be less expensive to produce than chrome, right? WTH is up with charging a premium for it, it's like blatantly screwing us over with no shame whatsoever. There should be a deduct for black. They're still going to sell both, but blacked out bikes should be cheaper.
@1Steson absolutely agree with you. Just like in 2023 they charged extra for abs on low rider s, that was standard on the years before. Claiming there was a shortage of parts. Well if that's the case, then the price should be lower on the 23 for no abs then the price on 22 that came with abs
I got off a bad accident. But decided to ride again. I just bought a 2024 low rider s in October while Harley was doing the 3,000 off. Plus I knew there would be a price hike this year so I jumped on the 24
I’m same way. Will keep my 2019 Ultra Limited due to Chrome. If Harley doesn’t give option for Chrome in the future, a brand change may be in my future. Don’t care for the blacked out looked. Old school! Thanks!
I understand, I'm an old school chrome guy too!
The fact the road king has not got the 117 motor is a joke. I agree with you about the chrome. I ride a 2012 RKC and love it. I’ve had 88,96,103, and 114 motors. Went back to the twin cam. My opinion is the twin cam sounds more like a Harley. About the price increase- Harley has been out pricing their base for years. They turned their back on the people who made the company- blue collar hard working USA.
I believe killing the limited or the ultra would be a big mistake. If you build one from a road glide or street glide you will be walking out the door with taxes over 40 thousand that’s crazy. I’ll be keeping my 2019 road glide ultra for some time it is a free ride and looks awesome
Yeah, that's a big price tag!
Road King special hasn’t changed since 2017 only color change and price increase
Yup
Love the entrainment of this channel and others but I love my Twin Cam 2015 Ultra with 63000 and I’m hoping to get 100,000 service then I’ll remember these video buy me good used 2025. To me it’s about riding with my wife two up and reliability and making the bike my own. I think most Harley Riders like buying their own after market. If you want to buy everything you need then those Customers will go to Indian or Golding.
Loved my 2014 SGS with the Twin Cam. Great motor!!!!!!!! Thx for commenting and watching!
I also have a twin cam 2015 Ultra and that bike isn't going anywhere! Those bikes were so classy, I think history will look back fondly on that era of bike. I am fortunate enough with shed space and enough $ to have a second bike - my second bike has been a 20 Street Glide Special that I just traded for a '24 Street Glide. That will be my "run around" short rides / errands bike but the top bike in my shed for comfort and looks is still going to be the '15 Ultra unless that new bike is really, really special somehow.
How about a CVO ST Street Glide?
that would be cool!!!
I heard that the softail sport glide and the softail fat Bob will not be in Europe in 2025. ( euro 5+)
Interesting
Better to build 2016 line up again
Chrome -- Ditto
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As a young man, I couldn’t afford a Harley Davidson. Later in life after becoming more well established, I bought my first Harley. Then over time another and another. Now that I’m retired, I once again can’t afford what New Harleys have come to cost. Will the motor company be able find a customer base going forward? , time will tell.
With all Harleys latest troubles with the company, the price increases will hurt them even further. I wouldn't even consider buying a street or road glide for 1700 more with virtually no changes. Last year's price made me consider it but now, forget it. I'll keep my 2020 for another 10 years and buy used after that.
Always chrome. Never gave up on chrome. Black has a place but chrome rules.
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HD are starting to take the piss now. The price difference from last year is in part down to inflation but also greed. Limited options all round for the same old same old. Some of the paint options are also ridiculous, having to pay for black now…come on Harley, it does not cost you nearly 3k for a paint job so why try and rape your customers again. If I was HD I would delay and update every 2 years. Great video Ryan. Thanks for the information.
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I traded my 05 RKC for a 24 ultra limited I went from chrome to the black trim I was tired of polishing chrome
Thx for commenting and watching! I guess I don't polish much and just ride. My bike does look dirty a lot. LOl~~~ I need to do better in 2025!!
@RyanUrlacher your bike ALWAYS looks good
Hiding an HD's jewel of an engine under a couple coats of rattle can flat black paint should be at least a Class 3 felony.
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I prefer Chrome as well.
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Chrome for the Road King ? Of course, but this is the too cool Road King Special, for me this was never the actual Road King, because lacking other Road King features as well (detail : my first new H-D was the first 1994 Road King in "blue", currently own the 2013 Anniversary, also from new).
Indeed the other color options should be available for the chrome trim as well.
Road Glide increases more because it is the most popular now. Typical Harley strategy since the times when the Heritage Classic was the most popular, but relatively expensive for what you got.
Now there is no "Touring Package" for 2025 (in 2024 : Long Haul Package) available (yet?) in the builder on the website, maybe per Jan 23rd, otherwise new complete Limited models in new outfit, maybe even as a new CVO.
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Still got my 2016 ELECTRA GLIDE ULTRA CLASSIC LOW, until they come out with something worth changing for i am keeping it, chrome will always be my choice
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They are killing off the Road King. My 2019 classic was $18k. Now a RK is $1k less than a more modern fairing bike.
I think they will launch the new touring bike with redesigned lowers and tour packs and probably CVO ultras at the same time . Road kings and trikes will get redesigned next year .pan America 850 ? Maybe . Chrome 👍👍
Interesting predictions!
I really hope they come out with a pan America ST
yeah!!!!!
As a owner of a "custom paint" bike 21 Road Glide Limited in SnakeVenum, I like the mystic shift and wouldn't mind the paint up charge however add in the price increase and I'm out!
I think the latest technology and styling is great however a $2K increase for no changes at all I'm stumped as th what the motor company is up to???
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Harley needs to look at what’s happening with the car market. If they keep raising their prices with no improvements they are going to lose market share. Most Harley folks are middle class working Americans. They will lose sales because it. Folks can only afford what they can afford. I would love new bike but I can’t afford one now.
The 23’s that are left, should sell like hotcakes? It’s the same bike(s).
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I think you meant the 24's that are left, but yes, I bought one Saturday. And I wasn't even really in the market for a new bike, my '20 SG Special was doing it's job. Huge discount on the '24 SG I bought, not to mention avoiding the increase on the 25's. At 63 I decided it was now or never, so I chose now. You never know what tomorrow will bring.
I just never understand how motorcycles became 30,000 to 50,000?
I know. Across the line. BMW, Indian........times have changed for sure.
Chrome all the way bring it back on the RK
Looks like all they want is more money for nothing more in return. The biggest "dick move" they made was charging more for black last year. Inflation is a thing, but all they've been doing is cutting corners to cut cost and raising prices. Add that to the "motorcycle phenomenon" of dealers never taking less than MSRP on new and wanting MSRP on used, is a unique situation due to the fact that a motorcycle is considered a luxury item which also raises the cost of financing. Guess that's just the way it is for a "want" vs a necessity.
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I’m a Chrome guy Harley German CEO
Raise prices basically for paint no thanks
Chrome is king!
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I would absolutely look at buying a new Road King if they offered it in chrome. I do NOT like the blacked out look, it’s WAY overplayed. Also, for the price they could include a windshield. Just saying
Great comments. thx
Yes, we know.
Know what?
@ all the stuff you were anxiously reporting as the first to do so. The “carry over” models were expected. Seems you TH-cam reporters want to be the first to report something new. Thats why I commented, “ yes, we know”. Got it? I do like your channel by the way. And just because you’re a motor officer does not mean you’re the only people that know how to ride motorcycles properly.
Wow Johnny seems pissed off about something . Johnny relax and enjoy life because now days there isn’t to much to be happy about
Harley has adopted the philosophy they will build less motorcycles and make more money off the ones they do sell. It's an approach Ford, GM, and Dodge also took. It's not working out well for the car mfgrs, and it won't work out well for HD either.
Road kings are going to sit in dealerships
Chrome is King .
CHROME!!!! LOL~~
Harley does things that don’t make sense. The chrome is what I love. I been waiting for the chrome Road King Spl or even a chrome std with the new 117. I grew up in the 80s. On back of Dads kickstart Norton. Racing MX and riding trails on mid 80s KX’s. I want something without a computer screen and Dangit I hate these blacked out engines.
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Yeah old school! Go chrome or go home. Ps Road-glide rocks
Hahahah. LOVE IT!! Thx for watching
are people still riding those things.
Yeah I like chrome.
Have bought new bikes in the last 3 years no more they are cheap in parts as in bags suspension windshields seats and expensive in parts and upgrades
blacked out all the wayl lol
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Chrome. Traditionalist!!!!
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Chrome or go home.
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Cool bash the rad glide guy, why would you do that, I don’t find your humor, funny, hope you look forward to reading this like you state,
I have a few Road Glide friends. They are special.......LOL~~ Thx for commenting and watching!
All I’m seeing is WANNABE Indian with the look of the new Street Glides !!!
It's all they same crap harley over priced and what changes the ugly looking color. They need to bring back the colors of 2015 to 2017. Those were killer colors. Candy colors. From PPG