As a huge Giants fan, I hope he does sign here, but Farhan is gonna have to offer him everything if he wants him to come here. Every team wants Shohei, so the Giants will need to make sure they convince him to come to SF over every other team. The thing that shohei has made clear is he wants to win, the Giants this season despite having flashes, finished 79-83. If the Giants want to get him, not only r they gonna have to lay money on the floor for him, but they’re gonna have to convince him that they will be a winning team and imo getting other FAs first will help a ton
He’s not coming to the giants, he wants to win did you miss all of last season? The Giants didn’t do a lot of winning nor had ambitions of winning. I too am a fan but gotta be realistic
I am a huge Giants fan also… Farhan‘s gonna have to do one hell of a sales pitch… You can use Texas as an example… Seager and Simeon sign with the Rangers after they were 100 loss team. Yes, it is possible!
I have been a Giants fan since the 90's when I was a child. With that said, Barry Bonds has been the ONLY "superstar" acquisition the Giants have made in my lifetime. I don't see it happening, but I'd love to see him in a Giants uniform. I hope you are right.
I always say the same thing about Bonds being the last big time free agent positional player in his prime we signed to a long-term deal. And usually only get backtalk for telling them the truth. It's embarrassing as it is mind-boggling that any professional team thinks they can go several decades straight w/o such players.
I know...it's going to shock a lot of people and ruffle some feathers, but I gotta do what I gotta do and just talk about it and report the news. I'm prepared for the attacks🙏
@@shotimefans808not even close, the giants have a decent FO that actually cares of winning. The Angels waived all their players and prospects. The Giants don’t do that
Back in 2018, Giants were 2nd in the sweepstakes. I think he is tired of Anaheim/LA area and wants to go somewhere new. As a Giants fan, we can’t miss out on any FA this offseason. The money is there and we need a star talent player.
@@Tu_Padre31the dodgers are looking for pitching rn. Unless they want to run it back with pitchers in there sophomore year seasons. lol Ohtani is gonna pitch until ‘25
@kevinbodan4928 signing ohtani doesn't impair their ability to sign pitching. Whether fans agree or not, it's clear as day that the Dodgers front office is pursuing Ohtani. They know as well as anybody, what the dodgers need.
thats like saying the Dodgers make the most sense with their relationship with Japanese players... Nomo, Maeda, etc... also, before Ohtani came to the US, he expressed that he wanted to play for the Dodgers. So i guess we will just see who offers him the most money and/or where he wants to play
SoCal has the largest Japanese population outside of Japan, even more than Hawaii. Just saying he's made friends there and probably has learned his way around. I'm sure he's not going back to Anaheim, but the cash rich Dodgers are right there.
I said before the season started he's going to San Francisco next year. I don't know about it now after he had the season he just had but I feel like he'll still get paid huge even if he doesn't pitch in 2024. The Giants showed they've been willing to spend some money after making Correa and Judge offers but Shohei will be really expensive so we'll see what happens.
The Dodgers want him and the Dodgers have the best chance to get to the playoffs. If winning is Ohtani priority (as Shohei has often said) it seems pretty obvious where he'll go.
I could see it. Honestly love your videos man, always a well thought out and considerate approach to your breakdowns. I still think the Dodgers, Astros, and Rangers are all strong contenders
The mets plan was a 2-3 year retooling according to Cohen, I doubt Ohtani would want to waste any more time with teams that aren't competitive now. They're about to get rid of Alonso and Senga is their only good starter
Been predicting this for a while now. Not to mention that Oracle Park is a pitcher’s ballpark and is designed for a left handed batter to hit HRs (Barry Bonds.) Imagine Shohei’s HR count as a Giant in that scenario 🤯
It can also be really brutal for left handed hitters. Just ask Brandon Belt or Brandon Crawford or Max Muncy who hates hitting at Oracle. Not sure if you're a Giants fan. If you are than you already know all of this: the center-right field fence is 415ft where a lot of lefties hit their would be home runs that turn into outs. The rest of right field is surrounded by brick archways that stand 20-24 ft high. Yes, the right field porch is fairly short, but you need to elevate the ball enough to get it over those archways. Also the damp wind, and SF is an extremely windy city especially from March through August, has a tendency to knock down hard hit baseballs that should be HRs right into right fielders' gloves. Barry was special and adjusted to the park and pulled the ball hard over the right field archways and into the cove. Not many lefties can do that. Ohtani seems to be equally special and likely will make the same adjustments Barry did. Looking at his spray chart, he doesn't do that like Barry did. Probably because he plays in a relatively hitter friendly park. Not sure where he wants to play. I'd love to see him don the SF orange and black.
@@ssuperman123 Yeah exactly, muncy said he doesn't like the park but he puts plenty of baseballs in the water lmao. why'd he have to extend with the dodgers :\
Ken Kendrick’s only getting older and the money doesn’t go with him to whatever comes after. 15 years, $735 million, of which about 30-55% is deferred money. Also Kendrick should put money into stadium renovations, he can certainly afford it
He wants to win. The question is does he want to be the transformation for a mid tier team or just a piece of an already winning team? If it’s the latter, he is better off in Seattle or San Diego. Not San Francisco.
The Giants are in a heavily competitive league in the NL West especially with AZ looking to be legitimately good. Going to the Giants wouldn't give him a better chance at winning a WS compared to staying on the Angels. As a Padres fan, it's sad to say this but Ohtani will likely be a Dodger as they do have the best track record out of all NL West teams.
@@wesleycorrigan7736 valid point. They also have the Rangers who also made the WS this year, but then there are the A's. I kinda see it this way: the Astros are like the Dodgers, dominant in their division with an outstanding track record and maintaining a balanced team, the Mariners are kinda like the Dbacks with young talented players who are looking like legitimate teams, the Rangers are sort of like the Giants only Giants are behind on many aspects but they have the potential, the Angels are kind of like the Padres with their superstars and lots of potential but never seem to carry out, and the A's are kinda like the Rock... nvm the Rockies are a far better team. I do admit the AL is a much tougher league all around but in terms of division, I just don't see how Ohtani leaving the Angels to go to the Giants would give him more success in winning a championship. I see Ohtani being a Dodger as a more successful outcome for him (it would be like him going to the Astros) and this is coming from a terrified Padres/ Ohtani fan.
The Giants hiring Bob Melvin is almost identical to them hiring Bruce Bochy back in 2007. Former catcher who was the manager of the Padres, now managing the Giants with one year left on his contract with the Padres
It’s a huge risk paying him market value as a TOR pitcher in addition to as a slugger. One injury and you’re down your best pitcher and hitter. Elbow issues and you’re paying $20-25 million for a guy whose solely a position player and or reliever.
I really hope you're right. Zaidi went to Japan in pursuit of Yamamoto as well and I imagine landing him would be encouraging for Ohtani. One or two other big moves could really sweeten the deal to demonstrate that commitment to winning now.
In Japan, Ace pitchers would avoid pitching on the same team. They take pride in being the sole true Ace of a franchise and I believe signing Yamamoto would be a turn off for ohtani joining the giants.
Despite having a couple losing seasons, the Giants are a winning franchise with meaningful history. This makes the Giants a good fit for Ohtani. Plus the Giants know this off season is important. Get ready to see the Giants on the rise
@@juansantamaria7476 A couple losing seasons? They only have one winning season since 2014. Ohtani will not sign with the Giants. He wants to be on a winning team.
Giants fans we also have to keep in mind that while he is a two way player he is also a pitcher and the giants have been really touchy about giving pitchers big contracts, i would love to see the giants get a big star like otahni but it is gonna take a lot and this rebuilding process needs to speed up…a lot for all of this to work out.
With the monster payroll already allocated to Freeman and Betts? Nope. SF doesn’t have that payroll problem. Tons of room to offer whatever they want to get him. No huge contracts on their books. Will they? Who knows. They have too many holes to fill. That and I don’t trust Farhan to reel in a big fish. He and the ownership group up to this point have been far too cheap. The Giants will probably sign someone like Matt Chapman, and a few other “complimentary pieces” and call it a good productive offseason. Which would be a kick in the balls to any Giants fan. The Dodgers right now desperately need pitching. Not two yrs from now. They have plenty of offense. Great pitching and defense wins championships. They have the defense, just not enough quality healthy arms to pitch.
A huge Wild Card team that I think should look into signing him are the Mariners. The owner is Japanese and Ichiro can help sell the team to him. They have a great young team, just need to get over the hump.
I wonder if him being from Japan, playing for the SF Giants would be in a way an honor to him as the Tokyo Giants are the biggest team in Japanese baseball. Taken from a article about the Tokyo Giants, "Not only were they the first professional team, they are the winningest and arguably most popular team in Japan..."
But as someone watches NPB, everyone on other teams doesn't like Tokyo Giants just like how every MLB fan outside of Yankees fans doesn't like Yankees. It's basically the same saying Ohtani is going to choose Yankees because they are popular
Dodgers seem to think the exact same thing. Ultimately it’s up to Shohei, and the Dodgers have that edge of winning for almost a whole decade. We’ll see won’t we.
I told you! I’m from Los Angeles, I’ve been to San Francisco recently and it’s by far the worst looking city in California. Why would he want to play there over LA?
I’ve seen the Giants be thrown around a lot, but I just don’t see it happening. After going massive in 2021, they’ve been on a steep decline, and now they have to retool their lineup to get back in contention. I do see the front office - which seems to have deluded itself into thinking the Giants are World Series bound - going after him, but I also think he will decline because they are clearly not on the right path.
As a Giants fan, this really makes sense and I REALLY WANT THIS TO HAPPEN with every fiber of my being. But then again I just don’t see it happening. Why? Because Zaidi has proven time and again that he’s unable to negotiate contracts with the the bigger free agents. All Zaidi (and the front office) does is dumpster dive in free agency for a discount deal on the nearest injury prone veteran. And plus with his comment on not adding starting pitching depth it just doesn’t seem promising. I’ll believe it when I see it.
As a giants fan I would love to see them pursue Ohtani. However, this is why that isn’t going to happen. As a power hitter chasing home run records, going to San Fransisco would be one of the worst places to play. The cold foggy weather and tall right field wall makes it extremely hard to hit home runs. We’ve seen this and haven’t had a single player hit over 40 home runs since Barry Bonds. It also makes sense that Aaron Judge didn’t want to go to Giants because his home run numbers would have gone down significantly. I believe Ohtani will most likely go to the dodgers where he can play in a more hitter friendly ballpark and have a chance to break records
Is there any particular reason why the Cubs aren't being considered? He did consider them a lot initially and probably would have signed if they had a DH at the time.
I think people are really underestimating the money aspect of it. “But he said he wants to win.” Yeah him and every other player. I’m not saying he’s going to go straight to the team that gives him the most money but I am saying that none of the teams who are generally outside of top ten in payroll have a chance (sorry mariners fans but it’s time to stop the cope, y’all are too poor). Realistically the Dodgers have everything he’s looking for - huge fan base, west coast, a team full of star power, win now potential, and of course very deep pockets. I see the Giants just being a bargain bin Dodgers in regards to all of the things a free agent would be looking for. The only reason I would ever see Ohtani going to the Giants instead is if they overpaid heavy, because as long as the Dodgers want him, they will easily be able to afford a realistic offer for him.
The west coast bias is more likely due to closer to home. Easy flights. Great video, except you should have made it about the red sox. Get him to Boston!
If I’m San Fran, I offer a 3 year deal worth $120M USD, where year 1 is at $30M USD, year 2 is a player option at $40M USD, and year 3 is a player option at $50M USD. If the Giants or Shohei want to restructure or extend, that can happen, and if the Giants need to move him, the contract isn’t going to make him an unmovable asset like Judge or Tatis.
As a giants fan I've been trying to speak this into existence. 🤞 Padres got no money to sign Ohtani said he wants to stay on Westcoast because time zones with japan.
The time zone doesn’t matter. Most of the games here are in the morning anyways west coast or east coast, there’s going to be some games that’s late but most of it are on the morning. He could sign with any team and the time zone is going to be fine.
@@therealjaystone2344The AL west is just too competitive now, I would avoid it at all cost, if I’m Shohei. The Astros and the Rangers then the Mariners. Its probably the toughest division this year when it comes to star power.
As a Giants fan, I don't think he should come here. I want him to win a bunch of World Series rings. The Giants are not a serious team anymore, or Bochy and Sabian would still be there. Go to the Rangers! Winning team, great management, set to win for years.
I think it’s possible he goes to SF. I’m curious if saying he wants to stay on the West Coast applies here though. Anaheim and San Francisco are two pretty different places.
The Ohtani contract will absolutely DESTROY any team he goes to! Anyone who signs him won’t EVER win a championship! If you’re going to pay ONE person a half of a billion dollars, that person should contribute every game. If he gets hurt hitting, he can’t pitch. If he gets hurt pitching, he can’t hit. Already he has to miss 2024 and not pitch so you lose HALF the value on this trade. Not to mention, if he slows the rehab process or gets hurt while batting next year then you’ll lose all value attached to him. MAX I’d give him a two year contract. Once he rehabs and proves he can pitch every five days and DH every day then I’ll toss in the money he deserves. Until then, this contract will easily destroy any team in baseball! Too many people think what he’s doing in the league is a rare occurrence, but most don’t realize this. In the US, for years we’ve advocated for our athletes to pick one attribute they’re good at and stick to it. If you grew up in high school or college and could pitch AND hit, once you got to the minor leagues they MADE you choose one or the other. Why?! Because again you’re a liability if you get hurt hitting then you can’t pitch. If you get hurt pitching then you can’t hit. In Japan, they’re very accepting and accommodating of two way players. This is evident when you see just how many two way players have developed in overseas baseball as opposed to the US. Isn’t it funny that now the US is accepting of two way players as several of them were drafted this year?! I like Shohei, but what he’s doing isn’t that special. He’s the perfect storm of being the best at baseball in a market where we literally don’t allow two way players to exist! If he wants a ring, he’ll take a pay cut, plain and simple. Because of Ohtani, the US will let the flood gates open and allow for more two way players to be a part of baseball, and they will arrive sooner than you think. Anyone who signs Ohtani to a long term contract will feel the effects of that IMMEDIATELY, while other teams reap the benefits years later!
Money isn’t the problem with shohei he will get paid, its whatever plan franchise’s have to offer to win now and the future which is what the dodgers have there in win mode now and the future with a great farm system something the giants don’t have and aren’t in win now mode.
GIANTS FANS…DON’T FORGET WHO JUST WENT TO THE WS AND WH0 JUST WON THE WS…!? The Texas Rangers and The Arizona Diamondbacks would be the teams to be beat next year, not the Giants!!
Ohtani will sign with the Rangers. They were a Final 3 finisher last time and that's when they were terrible. The Rangers are set up to be a juggernaut for years and the players love playing there and for Bochy. Plus they have plenty of money available. A lineup of Carter, Seager, Ohtani, Adolis, Jung, Semien, Lowe, Heim and Langford would just be unfair. To flash forward to 2025, a SP of deGrom, Ohtani, Montgomery, Eovaldi, plus whatever big get they acquire when they deal Leody Tavares and Ezekiel Duran (a SS capable of hitting 25 HRs and hitting 3rd for most teams) to add to a top 10 farm system will be scary. If he wants to win, this would be a dynasty.
2:42 It would be an interesting time to be all-in on pitchers in 2023, then cut both Scherzer and Verlander mid-season to go all-in on Ohtani’s batting prowess for 2024.
I agree. An additional point I think that you could have mentioned that I think hurts his chances with the Dodgers is the fact they're currently are in shambles with their pitching I feel. Them tacking on another 40M+ to their payroll for another hitter when they're deep in their lineup and could better spend that money on pitching for next season doesn't make as much sense to me. I think Giants get Ohtani & Dodgers pivot to Yamamoto & Snell to bolster their rotation significantly.
I thought I heard last year that he told the Giants not to bid for him as they had just gone through Judge and Correa and he didn't want the fans disappointed again. I've felt he'd go to the Dodgers but as a 60 year Giants fan, I'd love to see him come here. It'll be interesting to see
Even if the giants and the doggers get him they would not win the ws, both teams need pitching, giants need batting too, so no i dont think he will win in sf, but i think he will sign there tho, doggers dont want to spend.
Ohtani will sign with the Dodgers, but Giants will get Yamamoto because Yamamoto won't want to be on same team with Ohtani (too much pressure to be compared)
It’s a good thing iTalk isn’t right most of the time. I like his takes but I feel comfortable saying he won’t sign with the Giants. We’ll just have to wait and see though 🤷🏽♂️
@@nicthegiant We have Webb and Harrision and Luciano will likely be Super Stars as well. Bailey will likely be an All-Star and Gold glover and I'm excited about Bryce Eldridge and Walker Martin... and others. But yes we also need Shohei
@@foramoreperfectamerica8490 don't get me wrong I love wenn and Bailey and all but they are not the marketable super stars. Webb is always a dark house guy and only giants fans are swooning over the guys like Bailey and stuff. We need the next franchise guy like Posey, bum, the Brandon's etc
@@nicthegiant Harrison and Luciano fit that bill. I disagree with your Webb take. He's a local kid just like Crawford and Harrison is also a bay area kid, but I do agree we need Shohei too.
I hope so but I kinda don't expect it. After missing out on Judge and Correa I feel like Giants will try their best to get Ohtani if not him then another top free agent
Farhan the liar, Johnson the cheap owner! I stopped being a Giants fan because of them! The Johnson's want to destroy our democracy and Farhan is a liar.
jpn TV pays 25M to the west coast team where Sho belongs. But.. it will be only 10M if he moved to the east! why? because.. The game in east coast usually start at 3 AM that no one watch tv in jpn. Therefore, ohtani is the cheap date for the team located in the west coast but, expensive for the east😅
I think the Giants possibly signing Shohei could be bigger than baseball, the whole city of San Francisco could possibly built off the attention possibly fixing the hell you see in the streets of the city. I know there are politics involved as well, but singing a Shohei and having with around town definitely good publicity for the city.
The Giants' three best chances at getting him are: - the young players are on the rise and looking promising, system-wide - getting to play for Bob Melvin on a team he truly loves, and... - getting to pitch to Patrick Bailey. Patty Bats is an insane framer and partner for any pitcher. The Dodgers have proven they don't show up in the playoffs, and that miiiiiiight just be enough to deter Shohei.
I'm calling it now. Shohei Ohtani is going to the Giants. What do you think? Are you with me on #ShoBay?
Oh man... I'm having deja vu.
I want him out of Cali. The Cubs would be cool he would be loved by them!
I pray you’re right dude😂😂😂 Go Giants baby!
Nope Giants are the same as the Angels miss playoff every years. Gonna be a Dodgers like it or not.
No he will not
As a huge Giants fan, I hope he does sign here, but Farhan is gonna have to offer him everything if he wants him to come here. Every team wants Shohei, so the Giants will need to make sure they convince him to come to SF over every other team. The thing that shohei has made clear is he wants to win, the Giants this season despite having flashes, finished 79-83. If the Giants want to get him, not only r they gonna have to lay money on the floor for him, but they’re gonna have to convince him that they will be a winning team and imo getting other FAs first will help a ton
He won’t signing with the Angels of NL West the Giants 🤡🤣🤣🤣🤣
He’s not coming to the giants, he wants to win did you miss all of last season? The Giants didn’t do a lot of winning nor had ambitions of winning. I too am a fan but gotta be realistic
@@shotimefans808 facts I’m a giants fan but in no delusional enough to think he comes to sf 😂
I am a huge Giants fan also… Farhan‘s gonna have to do one hell of a sales pitch… You can use Texas as an example… Seager
and Simeon sign with the Rangers after they were 100 loss team. Yes, it is possible!
@@b-rad6173 Giants only make 1 playoff in the 9 years 🤡🤣🤣🤣🤣
It makes alot of sense for Othani to sign with the Giants. Judge and Correa not signing with them last year might has been a blessing.
I always said that and I’m glad they didn’t. Judge is great, but still way too much for one guy. At least Ohtani is a two way player
Lol you’re just repeating what iTalk said in the video
For the Yankees. 😁
Definitely might has been
He’s not going to San Francisco lmaooo
Angels
Him and Arson Judge would be a dangerous combination
It’s a stupid joke
@@SFGiantsfan9797 I understand your pain since you’re a giants fan
Don’t do this to me😔
Him and Trout couldn't carry a team
Nah yankees fans deserve not having him
I have been a Giants fan since the 90's when I was a child. With that said, Barry Bonds has been the ONLY "superstar" acquisition the Giants have made in my lifetime. I don't see it happening, but I'd love to see him in a Giants uniform. I hope you are right.
Bonds was an *
@@therealjaystone2344 Not relevant in this context.
I always say the same thing about Bonds being the last big time free agent positional player in his prime we signed to a long-term deal. And usually only get backtalk for telling them the truth.
It's embarrassing as it is mind-boggling that any professional team thinks they can go several decades straight w/o such players.
As a Giants fan who watched this channel casually, I’m subbing to this channel just because of this video. Ohtani to the Giants!
I can't believe you said Shohei's not signing with the A's... I'm so offended I can't believe this!!
I know...it's going to shock a lot of people and ruffle some feathers, but I gotta do what I gotta do and just talk about it and report the news. I'm prepared for the attacks🙏
@@iTalkStudios Giants are the Angels of NL west why would sign to a team that keeping missing the playoff.
@@shotimefans808not even close, the giants have a decent FO that actually cares of winning. The Angels waived all their players and prospects. The Giants don’t do that
Seattle!!!! You heard it here first
@@TheChosennn Yeah Giants making 1 playoff in 9 years, AKA the Angels of NL West 🤡🤣🤣🤣🤣
“Shoplift Ohtani appears headed to the Giants” - Jon Heyman
😂😂😂😂😂😂
showhey ohtani
We honestly desperately need someone like shohei, someone who fans can recognize
We got Webb
Back in 2018, Giants were 2nd in the sweepstakes. I think he is tired of Anaheim/LA area and wants to go somewhere new. As a Giants fan, we can’t miss out on any FA this offseason. The money is there and we need a star talent player.
He also wants to play on a winning team, stay on the west coast, he's familiar with LA. And the big market/rivalry heavy dodgers cross off everything.
Sorry to inform you but Anaheim is not LA that's like saying san jose is san Francisco
@@Tu_Padre31the dodgers are looking for pitching rn. Unless they want to run it back with pitchers in there sophomore year seasons. lol Ohtani is gonna pitch until ‘25
@@lucianocasas9623I said Anaheim/LA cause they go by the Los Angeles Angels lol. My b I’ll make sure I’m that clear next time
@kevinbodan4928 signing ohtani doesn't impair their ability to sign pitching. Whether fans agree or not, it's clear as day that the Dodgers front office is pursuing Ohtani. They know as well as anybody, what the dodgers need.
In my opinion, the Mariners would make the most sense cuz of the relationship wit Mariners, Ichiro, Japan etc
Not to mention Seattle did made the playoffs before but they need help with the bats
thats like saying the Dodgers make the most sense with their relationship with Japanese players... Nomo, Maeda, etc... also, before Ohtani came to the US, he expressed that he wanted to play for the Dodgers. So i guess we will just see who offers him the most money and/or where he wants to play
SoCal has the largest Japanese population outside of Japan, even more than Hawaii. Just saying he's made friends there and probably has learned his way around. I'm sure he's not going back to Anaheim, but the cash rich Dodgers are right there.
I definitely see this video not aging well
Giants or Mariners will be dope especially since those are my 2 favorite teams
I said before the season started he's going to San Francisco next year. I don't know about it now after he had the season he just had but I feel like he'll still get paid huge even if he doesn't pitch in 2024. The Giants showed they've been willing to spend some money after making Correa and Judge offers but Shohei will be really expensive so we'll see what happens.
Yes but the division belongs to the dodgers 😂😂😂😂😂
nah u just dont want him to go to the dodgers so u tryna cope😂😂
@@damoneboyd9945yes, the division belongs to them, but not the division series😂😂😂
Y’all are CHOKERS
@@Diabolicaleditz rangers don’t deserve seager
I don’t wanna get my hopes up. Hopefully we get him. We definitely need him.
The Dodgers want him and the Dodgers have the best chance to get to the playoffs. If winning is Ohtani priority (as Shohei has often said) it seems pretty obvious where he'll go.
Dodgers problem is simply staying in the playoffs. This past off-season might dissuade Ohtani a bit.
I think the Dodgers should focus more on their pitching side imo. If their patient with Shohei and can wait maybe.
@@inalavalamp none of the teams being mentioned even made the playoffs. The Dodgers haven't missed out in over a decade.
@@rainbowhouse3427 While I tend to agree with you, that's another point all together. The Dodgers seem intent on signing Othani.
Dodgers suck. all your “stars” are batting like .086 in the playoffs🤣🤣🤣. If Shohei knows what’s good for him he’ll stay away
As an Angels fan, I will support whatever decision he makes. He has our hearts. Always will.
People don’t realize that with Kapler being fired, AND Ohtani, the giants will be MORE than a playoff team.
😂
I could see it. Honestly love your videos man, always a well thought out and considerate approach to your breakdowns. I still think the Dodgers, Astros, and Rangers are all strong contenders
He’s going to the Mets, they have the money. Mets will drop $600, that being said, I will be a fan of whichever team he goes too.
I don't know about that. There is no guarantee he will ever pitch again. Is his bat alone worth 600M?
@@ForestOfSleep He will definitely pitch again but I'm worried by the amount of innings he can throw. Maybe they should just make him a closer
The mets plan was a 2-3 year retooling according to Cohen, I doubt Ohtani would want to waste any more time with teams that aren't competitive now. They're about to get rid of Alonso and Senga is their only good starter
The #1 Reason: McCovey Cove
Not to mention Oracle park is pitcher-friendly, but was also built with left-handed power hitters *cough* Bonds *cough* in mind. It’s a perfect fit.
Shohei Ohtani don’t wants no part of this losing teams, He already bring their and done that with the Angels.
As a giant's fan I'd love to see it!!!
i really hope he comes to SF a city known for it's two-way pitchers
Been predicting this for a while now. Not to mention that Oracle Park is a pitcher’s ballpark and is designed for a left handed batter to hit HRs (Barry Bonds.) Imagine Shohei’s HR count as a Giant in that scenario 🤯
SOOOOO many splash hits...❤❤
It can also be really brutal for left handed hitters. Just ask Brandon Belt or Brandon Crawford or Max Muncy who hates hitting at Oracle. Not sure if you're a Giants fan. If you are than you already know all of this: the center-right field fence is 415ft where a lot of lefties hit their would be home runs that turn into outs. The rest of right field is surrounded by brick archways that stand 20-24 ft high. Yes, the right field porch is fairly short, but you need to elevate the ball enough to get it over those archways. Also the damp wind, and SF is an extremely windy city especially from March through August, has a tendency to knock down hard hit baseballs that should be HRs right into right fielders' gloves. Barry was special and adjusted to the park and pulled the ball hard over the right field archways and into the cove. Not many lefties can do that. Ohtani seems to be equally special and likely will make the same adjustments Barry did. Looking at his spray chart, he doesn't do that like Barry did. Probably because he plays in a relatively hitter friendly park. Not sure where he wants to play. I'd love to see him don the SF orange and black.
@@jodi183 but max muncy is insane at oracle, he kills the giants
Oracle Park is not a home run hitter's ball park for lefties, trust me. The air is heavy and the winds are strong. Bonds made it look easy.
@@ssuperman123 Yeah exactly, muncy said he doesn't like the park but he puts plenty of baseballs in the water lmao.
why'd he have to extend with the dodgers :\
yep I agree
Come to Arizona Shohei we're an up and coming team 😢
So proud of your team! And what a gem your manager is!
@@hopespringseternal2624 appreciate that 🥲🙏🏼
Ken Kendrick’s only getting older and the money doesn’t go with him to whatever comes after. 15 years, $735 million, of which about 30-55% is deferred money. Also Kendrick should put money into stadium renovations, he can certainly afford it
He wants to win. The question is does he want to be the transformation for a mid tier team or just a piece of an already winning team? If it’s the latter, he is better off in Seattle or San Diego. Not San Francisco.
Somebody said the rangers might get ohtani . if that happens thats gonna be wild
I think the Legal would be legitimately shocked if Ohtani stays with the angels
I havent watched the video yet but I think you have a typo, you meant to type chicago white sox right?
Damn it no I meant to put Shanghai Golden Eagles
The Giants are in a heavily competitive league in the NL West especially with AZ looking to be legitimately good. Going to the Giants wouldn't give him a better chance at winning a WS compared to staying on the Angels. As a Padres fan, it's sad to say this but Ohtani will likely be a Dodger as they do have the best track record out of all NL West teams.
Angels gotta beat out the rangers Astros and mariners that’s harder then the NL west
@@wesleycorrigan7736 valid point. They also have the Rangers who also made the WS this year, but then there are the A's. I kinda see it this way: the Astros are like the Dodgers, dominant in their division with an outstanding track record and maintaining a balanced team, the Mariners are kinda like the Dbacks with young talented players who are looking like legitimate teams, the Rangers are sort of like the Giants only Giants are behind on many aspects but they have the potential, the Angels are kind of like the Padres with their superstars and lots of potential but never seem to carry out, and the A's are kinda like the Rock... nvm the Rockies are a far better team. I do admit the AL is a much tougher league all around but in terms of division, I just don't see how Ohtani leaving the Angels to go to the Giants would give him more success in winning a championship. I see Ohtani being a Dodger as a more successful outcome for him (it would be like him going to the Astros) and this is coming from a terrified Padres/ Ohtani fan.
San Francisco is a hell hole, I don’t think he wants to live in that city
I Told you
The Giants hiring Bob Melvin is almost identical to them hiring Bruce Bochy back in 2007. Former catcher who was the manager of the Padres, now managing the Giants with one year left on his contract with the Padres
There is a gigantic difference: Bochy has won 4 World Series. Melvin has not even taken a team to the World Series!
Bochy had 0 before sf get your facts straight@@hopespringseternal2624
@@hopespringseternal2624God, Melvin is so fking overrated
@@nickr3441managers r overrated in general
They better do something. The attendance at the new park had mostly been in the top 5 until 2018, and after that it's been between 10-15.
It’s a huge risk paying him market value as a TOR pitcher in addition to as a slugger. One injury and you’re down your best pitcher and hitter. Elbow issues and you’re paying $20-25 million for a guy whose solely a position player and or reliever.
I really hope you're right. Zaidi went to Japan in pursuit of Yamamoto as well and I imagine landing him would be encouraging for Ohtani. One or two other big moves could really sweeten the deal to demonstrate that commitment to winning now.
In Japan, Ace pitchers would avoid pitching on the same team. They take pride in being the sole true Ace of a franchise and I believe signing Yamamoto would be a turn off for ohtani joining the giants.
I have been saying Giants would be Ohtani’s free agency landing spot since last year. It just makes sense.
No it does not. He wants to be on a winning team and the Giants are a losing team.
It makes zero sense lol, giants are not close to contending
Lol ok buddy we have 3 rings in the last decade more then your favorite team @@hopespringseternal2624 🤡
Despite having a couple losing seasons, the Giants are a winning franchise with meaningful history. This makes the Giants a good fit for Ohtani. Plus the Giants know this off season is important. Get ready to see the Giants on the rise
@@juansantamaria7476 A couple losing seasons? They only have one winning season since 2014. Ohtani will not sign with the Giants. He wants to be on a winning team.
As a dodgers fan just hope this doesn’t happen
I think he’s either going to LA or SF so regardless that rivalry is not going away any time soon.
I’m a giants fan and I hope it does happen
Giants fans we also have to keep in mind that while he is a two way player he is also a pitcher and the giants have been really touchy about giving pitchers big contracts, i would love to see the giants get a big star like otahni but it is gonna take a lot and this rebuilding process needs to speed up…a lot for all of this to work out.
I'm calling it now. Shohei Ohtani is going to the Los Angeles...........Dodgers.
With the monster payroll already allocated to Freeman and Betts? Nope. SF doesn’t have that payroll problem. Tons of room to offer whatever they want to get him. No huge contracts on their books. Will they? Who knows. They have too many holes to fill. That and I don’t trust Farhan to reel in a big fish. He and the ownership group up to this point have been far too cheap. The Giants will probably sign someone like Matt Chapman, and a few other “complimentary pieces” and call it a good productive offseason. Which would be a kick in the balls to any Giants fan. The Dodgers right now desperately need pitching. Not two yrs from now. They have plenty of offense. Great pitching and defense wins championships. They have the defense, just not enough quality healthy arms to pitch.
We thought the same with Judge, we know how that turned out
A huge Wild Card team that I think should look into signing him are the Mariners. The owner is Japanese and Ichiro can help sell the team to him. They have a great young team, just need to get over the hump.
I would love to see the Mariners win it all!
This is the prophecy
I wonder if him being from Japan, playing for the SF Giants would be in a way an honor to him as the Tokyo Giants are the biggest team in Japanese baseball.
Taken from a article about the Tokyo Giants, "Not only were they the first professional team, they are the winningest and arguably most popular team in Japan..."
But as someone watches NPB, everyone on other teams doesn't like Tokyo Giants just like how every MLB fan outside of Yankees fans doesn't like Yankees. It's basically the same saying Ohtani is going to choose Yankees because they are popular
@@mirantilin like I said, I wonder, I'm not a Japaneseologist
The two teams have nothing to do with each other so no.
@@tedjohnson7485 so you're saying America and Japan are different.... Gotcha! Thanks for that info
Dodgers seem to think the exact same thing. Ultimately it’s up to Shohei, and the Dodgers have that edge of winning for almost a whole decade. We’ll see won’t we.
Losing in every post season? Yeah… we’ll see
Hi! Italk I have been here since 45k subs
Good point about bob melvin. It does show that they’re probably going to be big spenders this year.
But their owner, Greg Johnson, said he wants to break even! That is NOT big spending!
Get to the point faster. Starts at 5:30
I told you! I’m from Los Angeles, I’ve been to San Francisco recently and it’s by far the worst looking city in California. Why would he want to play there over LA?
On the east coast here, can someone explain why Bob Melvin gets no blame for what happened to the padres this past season?
Because it’s a team full of players who have insanely high egos
I’ve seen the Giants be thrown around a lot, but I just don’t see it happening. After going massive in 2021, they’ve been on a steep decline, and now they have to retool their lineup to get back in contention. I do see the front office - which seems to have deluded itself into thinking the Giants are World Series bound - going after him, but I also think he will decline because they are clearly not on the right path.
As a Giants fan, this really makes sense and I REALLY WANT THIS TO HAPPEN with every fiber of my being. But then again I just don’t see it happening. Why? Because Zaidi has proven time and again that he’s unable to negotiate contracts with the the bigger free agents. All Zaidi (and the front office) does is dumpster dive in free agency for a discount deal on the nearest injury prone veteran. And plus with his comment on not adding starting pitching depth it just doesn’t seem promising. I’ll believe it when I see it.
He got Correa ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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@@abnushagnasty805 And got nobody again this free agent 🤡🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a Giants fan, I approve this message. I really wish it would happen in this off-season. Fingers crossed.
As a giants fan I would love to see them pursue Ohtani. However, this is why that isn’t going to happen. As a power hitter chasing home run records, going to San Fransisco would be one of the worst places to play. The cold foggy weather and tall right field wall makes it extremely hard to hit home runs. We’ve seen this and haven’t had a single player hit over 40 home runs since Barry Bonds. It also makes sense that Aaron Judge didn’t want to go to Giants because his home run numbers would have gone down significantly. I believe Ohtani will most likely go to the dodgers where he can play in a more hitter friendly ballpark and have a chance to break records
Ohtani will sign with Dodgers, already decided. This is an insider knowledge.
god i hope your right, we need to turn this team around, i will be ready to cry if it likely wont happen tho 😢
Shohei Ohtani to the Royals confirmed
Damn it
*FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-*
I love my Giants, but Shohei wants to win.
Is there any particular reason why the Cubs aren't being considered? He did consider them a lot initially and probably would have signed if they had a DH at the time.
I think people are really underestimating the money aspect of it. “But he said he wants to win.” Yeah him and every other player. I’m not saying he’s going to go straight to the team that gives him the most money but I am saying that none of the teams who are generally outside of top ten in payroll have a chance (sorry mariners fans but it’s time to stop the cope, y’all are too poor). Realistically the Dodgers have everything he’s looking for - huge fan base, west coast, a team full of star power, win now potential, and of course very deep pockets. I see the Giants just being a bargain bin Dodgers in regards to all of the things a free agent would be looking for. The only reason I would ever see Ohtani going to the Giants instead is if they overpaid heavy, because as long as the Dodgers want him, they will easily be able to afford a realistic offer for him.
I’m still praying for the cubs
The west coast bias is more likely due to closer to home. Easy flights. Great video, except you should have made it about the red sox. Get him to Boston!
This video broke my heart as a dodger fan, but your making good points . U might be right 😢
If I’m San Fran, I offer a 3 year deal worth $120M USD, where year 1 is at $30M USD, year 2 is a player option at $40M USD, and year 3 is a player option at $50M USD. If the Giants or Shohei want to restructure or extend, that can happen, and if the Giants need to move him, the contract isn’t going to make him an unmovable asset like Judge or Tatis.
Let’s GoGiants!!!! Wooohooo
Ohtani is going to....... Seattle Mariners, to follow in Ichiro's steps.
whether or not he pitches again will be a big determining factor on where he ends up and who ls willing to pony up.
As a giants fan I've been trying to speak this into existence. 🤞
Padres got no money to sign
Ohtani said he wants to stay on Westcoast because time zones with japan.
Could be AL too and Seattle can compete
The time zone doesn’t matter. Most of the games here are in the morning anyways west coast or east coast, there’s going to be some games that’s late but most of it are on the morning. He could sign with any team and the time zone is going to be fine.
@@therealjaystone2344The AL west is just too competitive now, I would avoid it at all cost, if I’m Shohei. The Astros and the Rangers then the Mariners. Its probably the toughest division this year when it comes to star power.
As a Giants fan, I don't think he should come here. I want him to win a bunch of World Series rings. The Giants are not a serious team anymore, or Bochy and Sabian would still be there. Go to the Rangers! Winning team, great management, set to win for years.
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there a lot going on in the front office rn. i dont think they will get him sucefully but as a giants fan i wanna see it
I think it’s possible he goes to SF. I’m curious if saying he wants to stay on the West Coast applies here though. Anaheim and San Francisco are two pretty different places.
The Ohtani contract will absolutely DESTROY any team he goes to! Anyone who signs him won’t EVER win a championship! If you’re going to pay ONE person a half of a billion dollars, that person should contribute every game. If he gets hurt hitting, he can’t pitch. If he gets hurt pitching, he can’t hit. Already he has to miss 2024 and not pitch so you lose HALF the value on this trade. Not to mention, if he slows the rehab process or gets hurt while batting next year then you’ll lose all value attached to him. MAX I’d give him a two year contract. Once he rehabs and proves he can pitch every five days and DH every day then I’ll toss in the money he deserves. Until then, this contract will easily destroy any team in baseball!
Too many people think what he’s doing in the league is a rare occurrence, but most don’t realize this. In the US, for years we’ve advocated for our athletes to pick one attribute they’re good at and stick to it. If you grew up in high school or college and could pitch AND hit, once you got to the minor leagues they MADE you choose one or the other. Why?! Because again you’re a liability if you get hurt hitting then you can’t pitch. If you get hurt pitching then you can’t hit.
In Japan, they’re very accepting and accommodating of two way players. This is evident when you see just how many two way players have developed in overseas baseball as opposed to the US.
Isn’t it funny that now the US is accepting of two way players as several of them were drafted this year?!
I like Shohei, but what he’s doing isn’t that special. He’s the perfect storm of being the best at baseball in a market where we literally don’t allow two way players to exist! If he wants a ring, he’ll take a pay cut, plain and simple.
Because of Ohtani, the US will let the flood gates open and allow for more two way players to be a part of baseball, and they will arrive sooner than you think. Anyone who signs Ohtani to a long term contract will feel the effects of that IMMEDIATELY, while other teams reap the benefits years later!
I sure hope so!
Money isn’t the problem with shohei he will get paid, its whatever plan franchise’s have to offer to win now and the future which is what the dodgers have there in win mode now and the future with a great farm system something the giants don’t have and aren’t in win now mode.
I've been saying this all year! I could totally see him in San Fran and they're desperate for a cornerpiece
GIANTS FANS…DON’T FORGET WHO JUST WENT TO THE WS AND WH0 JUST WON THE WS…!? The Texas Rangers and The Arizona Diamondbacks would be the teams to be beat next year, not the Giants!!
I think the Dodgers situation is better than the Giants so I think he goes there even if SF offers more I can see them getting Yamamoto.
Ohtani will sign with the Rangers. They were a Final 3 finisher last time and that's when they were terrible. The Rangers are set up to be a juggernaut for years and the players love playing there and for Bochy. Plus they have plenty of money available. A lineup of Carter, Seager, Ohtani, Adolis, Jung, Semien, Lowe, Heim and Langford would just be unfair. To flash forward to 2025, a SP of deGrom, Ohtani, Montgomery, Eovaldi, plus whatever big get they acquire when they deal Leody Tavares and Ezekiel Duran (a SS capable of hitting 25 HRs and hitting 3rd for most teams) to add to a top 10 farm system will be scary.
If he wants to win, this would be a dynasty.
2:42 It would be an interesting time to be all-in on pitchers in 2023, then cut both Scherzer and Verlander mid-season to go all-in on Ohtani’s batting prowess for 2024.
I can only hope
a sleeper team that I think might be aggressive with trying to sign him is the Mariners.
I agree. An additional point I think that you could have mentioned that I think hurts his chances with the Dodgers is the fact they're currently are in shambles with their pitching I feel. Them tacking on another 40M+ to their payroll for another hitter when they're deep in their lineup and could better spend that money on pitching for next season doesn't make as much sense to me.
I think Giants get Ohtani & Dodgers pivot to Yamamoto & Snell to bolster their rotation significantly.
I thought I heard last year that he told the Giants not to bid for him as they had just gone through Judge and Correa and he didn't want the fans disappointed again. I've felt he'd go to the Dodgers but as a 60 year Giants fan, I'd love to see him come here. It'll be interesting to see
where did you read this?
that didn’t happen
Even if the giants and the doggers get him they would not win the ws, both teams need pitching, giants need batting too, so no i dont think he will win in sf, but i think he will sign there tho, doggers dont want to spend.
I don't remember exactly but it may have been here on You Tube. It was right after the Correa deal fell apart@@Alan-rw3ez
Heard this as a rumor awhile ago. we can only hope.
Ohtani will sign with the Dodgers, but Giants will get Yamamoto because Yamamoto won't want to be on same team with Ohtani (too much pressure to be compared)
It’s a good thing iTalk isn’t right most of the time. I like his takes but I feel comfortable saying he won’t sign with the Giants. We’ll just have to wait and see though 🤷🏽♂️
Giants fan here don't tempt us with a good time... as long as we don't do something dumb like give up Harrison and Luciano for Trout I'm happy.
Don't give me hope as a giants fan. Of course I want a big name dude since we have none but c'mon
@@nicthegiant We have Webb and Harrision and Luciano will likely be Super Stars as well. Bailey will likely be an All-Star and Gold glover and I'm excited about Bryce Eldridge and Walker Martin... and others. But yes we also need Shohei
@@foramoreperfectamerica8490 don't get me wrong I love wenn and Bailey and all but they are not the marketable super stars. Webb is always a dark house guy and only giants fans are swooning over the guys like Bailey and stuff. We need the next franchise guy like Posey, bum, the Brandon's etc
@@nicthegiant Harrison and Luciano fit that bill. I disagree with your Webb take. He's a local kid just like Crawford and Harrison is also a bay area kid, but I do agree we need Shohei too.
Would LOVE Ohtani to come to SF. Now that the DH is league-wide, he doesn't need to be AL anymore
I hope so but I kinda don't expect it. After missing out on Judge and Correa I feel like Giants will try their best to get Ohtani if not him then another top free agent
You trust Farhan and the Johnson’s? Give me a break
Farhan the liar, Johnson the cheap owner! I stopped being a Giants fan because of them! The Johnson's want to destroy our democracy and Farhan is a liar.
He could have made it to the world series with the Rangers. Crazy he was stubborn about being on the west coast/close to Japan.
jpn TV pays 25M to the west coast team where Sho belongs.
But.. it will be only 10M if he moved
to the east!
why? because..
The game in east coast usually start
at 3 AM that no one watch tv in jpn.
Therefore, ohtani is the cheap date for the team located in the west coast but, expensive for the east😅
Most likely to not happen..... but what if he re-signs with the angles?
I think the Giants possibly signing Shohei could be bigger than baseball, the whole city of San Francisco could possibly built off the attention possibly fixing the hell you see in the streets of the city. I know there are politics involved as well, but singing a Shohei and having with around town definitely good publicity for the city.
The city is at its decline and businesses are leaving as the city needs a shining of light
I think you’re going to be right on this one
Do you?
We do need a Super Star
The Giants' three best chances at getting him are:
- the young players are on the rise and looking promising, system-wide
- getting to play for Bob Melvin on a team he truly loves, and...
- getting to pitch to Patrick Bailey. Patty Bats is an insane framer and partner for any pitcher.
The Dodgers have proven they don't show up in the playoffs, and that miiiiiiight just be enough to deter Shohei.
Fuck it, Ohtani to the Marlins
To the Rockies!
As a giants fan, you are fueling my delusions. I thank you