you semi nailed it... but it's the 100% engine accuracy that's got magnus convinced he's cheating. I believe Magnus went and studied the game he just lost and said this dude just played like a computer... oh and he keeps doing it to people.... in my mind he has to be cheating...there's no doubt in my mind
Imagine being so conceited and such a poor loser that when you lose ONE game (after 50!+ wins) you assume the other player must have cheated and and you stomp your feet and quit. So immature and so many better ways to handle it.
I think he meant to say that he’s been caught cheating twice. He said that he only cheated once when he was 12 and once when he was 16. I find it very doubtful that the only times that he cheated, was the only two times that he was caught cheating.
In my opinion it doesn't really matter if he cheated before or not. What's more important is if he cheated during that big game and if he didn't (and there's not enough evidence at all to prove that he was a cheater) then that means he has the full ability to pretty much beat anyone since he nearly beat one of the best chess players in history. Honestly I'm more against Carlson because he just straight-up disappeared and won't explain what's going on. Either he's afraid of getting him in trouble without enough evidence or his ego was hurt and he is in hiding, afraid to face the world. The whole situation is just a bunch of garbage if you ask me. There's so much bigger problems in this world to worry about more than if someone cheated during a game of chess or not.
I'm not gonna take a side. I'm just gonna say that I'm a little surprised that the 15 minute delay wasn't implemented sooner. That's a pretty standard anti-cheating method used in live events where outside knowledge could be gotten from either watching the broadcast or from someone else who is watching the broadcast. Had that already been implemented, that would pretty much destroy most theories of cheating.
@@CWHolleman he cheated by processing the data stream of the chess match and then relaying the best moves to a vibrating Bluetooth device. It took a youtuber a day to make such a device and it couldn't be detected by a metal detector. This is super simpel to do.
@@useazebra Exactly. We may never know the truth of this matter, but we do know that he cheated prior to this. The onus is on him to clear his name because many people, including me, think that Magnus has a point. This is no different to people who dope in sport being outed, such as Lance Armstrong or Jon Jones, among countless others. Their names will be stained forever. Niemann is in a similar position because of his history. In short: never cheat, folks.
I once wanted to do a skit where an NBA team is shown huddling before the last-second play with the game on the line, diagramming the offense, while the defense is watching the television.
You missed three important facts. Knowing that Hans has a history of cheating, Carlson played a variation of an opening HE HAD NEVER PLAYED BEFORE in his professional chess career. Aaaand somehow Hans had prepared for this the same morning. Hmm. In the post game analysis Hikaru pointed out the holes in Niemann's analysis. Nieman claimed to be an 'intuitive player' when asked about his sketchy analysis. Niemann played the same moves as the computer was recommending. Coincidence? Hmm. The delay from broadcasting should fix this type of cheating. A deep ear-piece can have someone remote calling out the moves in Niemann's ear. Unscrupulous mentalists use this method.
"HE HAD NEVER PLAYED BEFORE" people like you are a disgrace just spreading like tiny little parrots what Hikaru said, which is a lie, and he even admitted he was wrong. How about instead of commenting lies you take a minute or two to inform yourself about the things you are so eager to talk about?
This is substantial evidence to me. “I happened to prepare for this exact scenario this morning” is CLASSIC preparation for a cheating accusation. Before any suspicions had arose, he’s already establishing a defense on why his moves were so accurate.
And with that information, perhaps the cheating accusation is that Hans discovered the opening Carlson was preparing. In other words, he had a mole in Carlson's camp. Would that be cheating? It certainly didn't happen during the game. Maybe that's the argument.
Preparing for a possible outcome that he has never used once in his life? And by some miracle he practiced in the day before and thrills the press about it before all the cheating accusations started?
Niemann has a 45 move game that the engine rated at 100%. That means every move was the best move he could’ve made. Bobby Fisher never scored above 72 in any game he played.
Well he only cheated twice, when he was looking to “rapidly enhance his rating”.. you know, because 2 matches is all it takes.. and it was only because he was looking to “play stronger players”..he only had to cheat because the players were too weak..👌scumbag
@@pingerfrints6716 GMs usually see few moves ahead, so they can make up their strategy - and that is also analyzing .. so u are wrong - they have to be good at analyzing to be GMs
@@kalinb5185 nope you are wrong.I can be a gm by winning always on fide chess and can increase my elo rating but have difficulty on analyzing post games.
Perfect answer. The only explanation he owes the world is just this: "Check my moves, and you'll see how I beat Magnus!". That's it. How can someone who did NOT do something (i.e., cheat) prove he didn't do it? This is impossible (and is taught in basic classes of logic: you can't prove a negative). The burden of proof is, and must be, on the accuser: bring up evidence to substantiate your accusation. Magnus has Zero evidence, doesn't explain his accusation - and yet, he wants to be taken seriously?! On what basis? He's a sore loser.
Good move from the chess business entrepreneurs. This chess business needed drama, conspiracy theories, and creating rivalry to attract media coverage and public interest. Well orchestrated show and I'm confident you will succeed, you're all strategists after all. the next game between Carlson and Hans will be watched by 2billion viewers worldwide.
Perhaps, they could take their cues from WrestleMania, dress in bizarre costumes, hurl the chess boards and pieces and slam their opponents to the ground.
That was my thought. Once the heat was on, his game drastically changed. His excuse for studying a line Magnus used once by chance seems extremely suspect to me. While the truth may never be known, the evidence strongly suggests he was less than honorable.
Being caught cheating twice and cheating twice are not usually the same thing and it shows an attitude of being willing to cheat rather than lose. If you are willing to cheat when there is so little to gain how much more tempting is it with so much to gain?
@@erebusvonmori8050 admitted is not the same as proven. If he didn't cheat in the game in question then you're just being salty that he beat your hero. There's been zero evidence, just speculation. You people need to stop with the witch hunt unless you can prove something. I'm sure there are plenty of moral issues you are squirrely on, but on this subject about a board game you have to take this hard stance. You're just looking for a villain to hate. He's better than you at chess. He always will be.
Carlsen has a clear path forward to alleviate the scandal: Simply say "I strongly suspected Niemann of cheating, given his past, and while I may have been wrong, I retain my suspicions which of course can never be proved. Time will tell if Niemann is the virtuoso he purported in that game to be, and I just want to move forward."
7:55 is the biggest bombshell imo. it's the biggest chess site basically insinuating that Hans is lying and he's cheated more than he said. Which would be very good reason to suspect him, if he's a seasoned cheater. imagine cheating multiple times at a game and then being shocked when people call you a cheater
I missread what you wrote, but yeah I believe they basically said what he admitted to didnt match up with what they know of him doing on their site before. I do wonder if he got another account? or just asked them to unban in the first place. The covering up of his cheating is the part I find weirdest, like someone knows he got caught
Yeah, well - I think they meant considering that online chess games may count towards earning your title norms these days - so cheating to boost your online rating and play higher rated opponents faster is still pretty serious since he only became a GM last year.
There is a BIG BIG difference between cheating online (very easy) and cheating over the board at the Sinquefieldcup (very hard, if not impossible to do). The players get scanned with a metal detector and a radio detector, so there is just no way anyone is cheating at this tournament.
“I have never cheated over the board”, and “It’s true, that I have cheated twice in my life online, once when I was twelve years old, and again when I was sixteen”. Another way he might have said this is: “I never got caught cheating over the board”, and “It’s true, that I got caught cheating twice in my life online, once when I was twelve years old, and again when I was sixteen”.
People who don't understand modern chess may not understand that there are chess programs Such as Stockfish that are essentially unbeatable, these programs (always) make God-like moves. essentually Magnus believes Hans is using one of these programs to calculate his moves. This is actually not a new thing, this would be the third (known) time in history a player had used a program to cheat at the GM level, other incidents involve players going to the bathroom.
Yeah it could even be more subtle that that, eg someone else with access to a machine just whispers a couple words in hand ear at a an opportune moment or gets a message to him in another way. No evidence that is happening of course and incredibly hard to do but that’s how it could feasibly happen
@@epicchess2021 yep. filtered light through his contact lenses. They polarise/convert invisible light signal (UV/IR) to a visible flashing (for him only).
The drama was explained but it's still not fully resolved. Assuming there is no explicit proof of foul play It would be nice if Magnus explained his thought process that lead him to resign.
@@Pingu3333 I know noting about chess never watch a chess match I've played chess maybe 3x But I'm a giant MMA fan I've been at 500 plus shows I've watch 100s of different organizations and watch 1000s of events . And cheating in MMA happens on every show either it's fence grab a glove grab hook. Or playing the scale . But when someone loses via someone cheating they barely care. For this legend in chess to withdraw because he lost without proof of cheating kinda tasteless . If this guy one of the biggest chess legends makes guys like me who barely know chess makes us think chess players are cry babies
Mathematically, 30 legal moves puts the variations at 10 to the power of 120, many more atoms than in the entire universe. 20 move variations, minus all the unplayable/obviously weak moves will still be easily in the hundreds of thousands of variations. "Coincidently", in the morning of that day Hans prepared the exact same line of 20 moves in, to which Magnus played. I suggest dont play chess and just buy a lottery ticket instead.
@@Pingu3333 uh Magnus has lost many times before lol I think he felt like the opponent was using obvious engine moves against a line Magnus never used in tournament. and nobody knows wtf is going on with the position but Hans acted like his moves were completely obvious.
@@NOT-A-Monolith Cheating in chess guarantees a win, computers are super powerful. Things like fence grabbing can also be instinctive when getting battered. Some cheats in mma are minor enough to be dismissed, but there's only one way to cheat in chess, which would be akin to using a taser gun in the ring or octagon.
Honestly looking at the moves I feel like it's legit, the moves are natural, magnus just didnt account for his pawn being on the diagonal connected to his queen after a bishop capture queen exchange. Magus has been known to get extremely agitated when he makes even minor mistakes in games he wins anyways, so it doesn't surprise me to see him act like a petulant child on a loss. Making cheating allegations without proof. Magnus knows how to win, but he is certainly inexperienced in losing. Finding fault in all but himself.
@@richdotcom1959 everyone cheats in some way or another. Read the Bible story of Jesus and the lady that was about to be stoned. None of us is uniquely qualified to judge someone based on their past and say they cannot ever change their future.
The better comparison is US politics in a nutshell. One side yelling some absurd statement while the other saying show me the evidence. Who was right or wrong changes frequently and nobody knows which way is up. It's all a mess, and I love it lmao
@@peroleable you can cheat by using computer engine. One "assistent" makes moves on the computer and sends them to the player, which actually participates in the game.
I'm sure many of you know of the cheating scandal in the poker world with Mike Postle -- although that one has been confirmed as cheating. The difference is that very strict measures are taken in chess so it's a lot harder to get away with it, while in poker you could be getting the info you need via your smartphone.
@@blaze1148 The game was not a blitz game, players had ample time to make moves (12 mins was Han's longest time to make 1 move IIRC). The game was live-streamed without delay, meaning an accomplice could input the board into StockFish, which takes secs to come up with the best move. So the goal would be to get a single letter and a single digit across to Hans (eg: "E4"). That would be enough for a GM to know what to play. That can be done countless number of ways. A person standing in a certain place, using certain signals (tapping foot or doing some pre-determined gesture or taking some amount of steps). A person could flash a laser in a corner/window where only Hans would know to look. If an accomplice is in plain view - there's countless ways to accomplish this. A person out-of-view could use audio cues that Hans would look for. A remote device planted before hand within sight (not hard). They did not strip search of send him through a full-body x-ray machine - meaning he still could have hidden a device that would bypass security (eg: metal item in belt / glasses, something that security screens as metal but lets through thinking it's harmless). The wand can be defeated by turning off the device - no RF signals. Tons of ways, just got to get creative. Keep in mind strip searches and full body x-ray systems exist for a reason. If a wand could detect everything, security would have no use strip searching and would have a 100% success rate of finding contraband. It's actually more likely security lets more things through than they actually catch - something to keep in mind. You only need to trick security for 20 secs. It's kinda like playing find Waldo with a 10 sec limit plus the security personnel have limited tools, don't know if the contraband (waldo) is even there or what the contraband (waldo) even looks like. Finally, if the accomplice is able to enter the arena, they can bring in the device (even in pieces) for Hans totally undetected without as much scrutiny as the players. A little sleight of hand can go a far ways. You also see players leave the seat for bathroom breaks and water - numerous of ways to leave a note of what to play.
@@anonypersona3189 All speculation - non proved - move on. Everybody could cheat all the time - Alireza's acomplice must be using Alpha Zero then....do you get my point.
Very well-presented overview of the scandal. Kudos for staying objective by stating the facts and not passing judgement either way. Thanks for all the great analysis "on" or "off" the board.
Agreed. I watched another video before this, in hope of learning what happened, and it didn't tell me anything, just some guy rambling. This is clearly explained.
its only a scandal if he cheated, which is highly unlikely because he was metal detected before the match which they hovered over both his shoes and rear.
EHHHHHHH there were a few moments of bias. Why emphasize the length of Hans' interview? Just say he gave an interview defending himself and present quotes. Saying it was so long can give the impression that he was desperately trying to defend himself.
12 yrs old and already cheating? The worse part is he did it again at 16. Don't be shocked if someone accuses you of cheating. Good reputation is hard to establish once tarnished LOL
I disagree. I think admitting it speaks more. And he was merely 12, and 16. I would have tried it as well/ especially if I was a child and saw a way to try it. Great that he admitted it and also learned from it. In some form or fashion we have all cheated.
@@julesybethmedlini we know that story was a complete lie and that he had continued cheating right up until his ban and on over 100 instances INCLUDING in cash prize tournaments and serious games against top players.
The principle of innocent until proven guilty is enshrined in our culture and must be respected. Either catch Hans red handed, produce evidence beyond reasonable doubt or that guy is innocent. The onus is on the organizer to deploy anti-cheating technologies instead of accusing someone simply because his plays are too closely correlated to machine's.
The hard evidence is difficult to find, but the circumstantial evidence is quite large, he's cheated online a lot, his coach has admitted to cheating, his rating took an absolutely massive leap out of the blue, he seems incapable of accurately explaining why he made moves in very complicated positions during interviews, and many of the world's best players hint that they think he is, obviously no one will say it outright, because they are afraid of Hans's multimillionaire parents's lawyers. For me I think this kid is cheating, I think he is doing so aggressively and often. I guess you must think OJ Simpson is innocent as well?
@@joebaer1358 By definition OJ was and is innocent, yes. Either provide proper evidence or he’ll be considered innocent. I agree with the points you mentioned, but just because someone cheated or “has done it a lot” doesn’t mean a thing. You need to prove he cheated there and then
Agreed. They should increase their measure for detecting cheating devices, but they should not ban someone or accuse someone without evidence. Let the future of his rating determine if he did cheat of not.
This is only true in court. In life you don't need to prove someone is a cheater to believe someone is a cheater, specially considering how difficult it is to actually provide solid proof of it. Statistical analysis gives us a very good picture of what is more likely and in Hans' case the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the inference that he cheated.
'Banned' actually due to something Hans said about Danny Rensch, the guy incharge of that online chess website. It's political. They only want to cover their backs.
The most ironic and yet the most important aspect of all this that no one speaks about is that how he was cheating in OTB games. This was a publicity for Hans and that is the bottom line. He has got more popular than he was and he will be even more in the lime light in the future.
Impossible to know unless you can catch him. The vibrator story was a funny joke but incredibly plausible to use as a cheating device. Take a few minutes to think on it and you can find half a dozen ways to cheat. Accomplices would make cheating easy. Solo cheating with decent anti-cheat protocols would be difficult but with one or especially two others, there are not cheat detection measures in place.
So that’s why nobody is seriously talking about how, only if. How is unfortunately too easy. Risky at that level to ruin your career, but not difficult.
The game was a bit sus, but not enough evidence based on the game alone HOWEVER hans' history of cheating and a complete disregard for fair play together with this questionable character gives a lot of credence to him cheating.
Paul Bloemen - 7 hours ago So, Hans did nothing wrong during the tournament, other than beating Magnus in a stunning way: good to Hans, and to me Magnus looks like a very poor loser, which he has shown earlier in his life. Magnus has to admit what happened, like him being a poor loser, or? And then, life goes on.
@@rmm9676 he lost to a cheater , anyone would be mad about that lol , poor loser for what ? he has nothing left to prove to anyone , the one who has to prove anything is the cheater , just a matter of time for his fall down
Once they increase the security specifically on the games involving Hans Niemann what were the results and how was this play did he continue to play near perfect or was he starting to make mistakes because if after security is increased his performance drops substantially then we kind of know what happened
@@Romans8-9 All players dropped to that extent? Don’t think so. Btw I don’t necessarily think he cheated OTB but for being such a dick cheating so many times online he has brought everything on to himself as apparently he has dedicated his life to chess. Total cock.
The only evidence I've seen is this "We think he used an engine." But no proof of it. Okay, so lets put Hans and Magnus in a room with no electronics after a strip search if need be and let them duke it out. If Hans isn't a cheater his play will show it.
They need to stop live-streaming these high profile tournaments, and restrict access to view the live-game to only arbiters. They could potentially stream the game with 30 minute delay.
I'm surprised they haven't been doing that the whole time. It wouldnt ruin the broadcast, and it's a foolproof way to eliminate cheating via stream sniping. If you also ban IRL audiences, the only ways to cheat is with a two-way communication device, or an on-person engine, which is really difficult to pull off under the existing fair play measures.
@@christopher19894 That sounds like a wonderful way to transform an already boring sport in an absolute bore. How are you going to sell thickets like that?
@@christopher19894 Then no one goes to support the tournaments and chess dies. Are you reading what you type? This is why Hans potentially cheating is a huge deal here. There is no stopping it through the means you say, the delay could work for some. You will never keep chess alive if you ban IRL spectators. Lmfaoooo, no sport continues without making money.
the fact that hans never explained his games / moves but just says "chess speaks for itself" is evidence enough that he's really likely cheating. and if he's not cheating he should play against magnus again but with 100% evidence he's not cheating - let's see his accuracy then
Very simplistic video with no analysis of how cheating could have happened on this game or Niemman’s trajectory. For a much more compelling and in depth analysis I recommend Yosha Iglesias video that shows Niemann’s stats look quite suspicious.
What a baby. Maybe Carlsen just played bad, maybe Hans just had a better game. Didn't Stockfish determine that Carlsen made some inaccuracies? Geez, come on Carlsen, you lost, take it like a man. What a child....
Don't these guys have to stay in hotel rooms for these tournaments? If I had to guess: Hans bugged Magnus's room and knew his planned moves ahead of time. The other option is, someone was using a computer to find the best moves, and was transmitting the solution to Magnus.
The prevailing sentiment isn't Niemann cheated over the board. It's that he somehow obtained Magnus opening preparation. Indeed Niemann stated he had the exact same position earlier that day on his computer.
no no no stop propagating this absolute worm IQ theory -- the prevailing sentiment is that he cheated over the board -- none of that braindead prep leak idiocy
Concrete proof is likely that will never show up, but tons of evidence points to him being a serial cheater. Not only in that game, but several online tournaments
If Magnus played an opening he never played before the odds of having the same opening moves on a computer is close to mathematically impossible. It’s like thoroughly shuffling a deck of cards. The order of those cards has never before, in the history of humankind, been duplicated. When Hans disclosed that he had the exact opening variation, Magnus knew this couldn’t possibly happen. The rest is history. Recent history, but nonetheless, history.
@@sincromisticismoo very interesting. But a premonition is different than having the actual sequence of moves on a computer. And we could agree to disagree. I love when that could be done with such respect. Congrats on your success and I’m sorry sickness adversely affected your ability to compete at high levels. Wishing you the best!
The known fact that Niemann •ever• cheated in a chess competition should render him permanently ineligible for professional play. Pretty irrelevant though, as machine intelligence plays the game so much better.
you know, Niemann is a young guy of the next generation. a generation full of ultra tech savvy dudes that just know about all kinds of new tech that allows this or that. I wonder if he had some device in his hair that blocked detection from the scanners until it was activated. who knows man, but his moves were insane against Firouzja and Carlsen. I think Magnus noticed something in his playstyle that just didn't feel human and made no sense, just like Firouzja felt when he played vs Hans and Magnus just thought there's noooo way he's winning this tournament with this guy that's using engine moves instead of theory.
As a chess enthusiast and admirer, I'm already disgusted with this. If the issue is not addressed with vigilance, what will happen, is that all the sponsors will run away from chess shows and tournaments, and will refuse to be involved in scandals that will finally smudge their names. The issue is not just about cheating: it is about cheating in chess on very high levels, where there is MORE MONEY involved, and cheating designed in order to get there, where there is MORE MONEY. If it persists and proven suspects were not kicked out for good, then the sponsorships of tournaments become nothing else but money laundering schemes in rigged public shows. What this teaches the next generation of players? What are "real achievements"? Cheated games are worthless. This means certain death to the chess sport, and a total downfall of the game.
Old news at this point, but the engine being off for Hans could be explained by the previous day’s contentious interview where the engine analysis was a big topic. “Don’t rob me of my humanity!” was the quote, I think… pawns under the chess bridge at this point 🤷🏻♂️
Funny how StLCC hasn’t had to face too many questions about their role in pointing the finger at Hans. What if randy ‘ol Rex Sinquefield groped Magnus and that’s why he withdrew? Then StLCC raised security to deliberately redirect attention to Hans? I guess we’ll never know 🤣🤣
NO ONE plays 100%, no one. Do you have any idea what the odds are? And to do it multiple times? It’s not possible. Everyone knows he cheated lol. I literally don’t know anyone who believes he didn’t. They’re only quiet because Hans threatened a 100 million lawsuit. That’s it.
It's impossible to say whether someone was or wasn't cheating. But we've all been there - merrily getting win after win against players of a similar rating, then finding ourselves completely demolished by someone 100-200 points lower, for no obvious reason. There's a distinct feel to it when you're getting beaten by a computer.
@@James-cz5hf No, you don't get it. When you acuse someone of doing something it's you who are obliged to provide evidence of those acusations. It's called "presumption of innocence". Otherwise I could acuse you of anything, and since you cannot disprove it you would be found guilty. Do you understand it now?
check out the chessbase article with an in depth analysis of literally every single online and OTB game he played in the past 2 years, none of his games were he made his rating were particularly great or had particularly high accuracy from his side either, if anything his opponents underperformed. At this point the theory that he got his title by paying off his opponents to lose would have more ground to stand on then the theory of him cheating..
2 seemingly opposing statements can be true at the same time. For instance, a person is innocent until proven guilty and there is a lot of cheating in sports(and in general for that matter) that goes undetected. That is to say that whether Hans Neimann is innocent or not is a completely different from whether Hans Niemann cheated or not. He can be both. He could have cheated in such a way that there is no proof of it, at least none that anyone could find. Technically he's still innocent because there's no proof of his cheating, yet he could have cheated just the same. Think of it another way, a person can commit murder(or any other crime for that matter) leaving 0 evidence behind for the police to find. Said person would be innocent of any wrong doing, yet his victim will still be dead all the same.
People who don't understand modern chess may not understand that there are chess programs Such as Stockfish that are essentially unbeatable, these programs (always) make God-like moves. essentually Magnus believes Hans is using one of these programs to calculate his moves. This is actually not a new thing, this would be the third (known) time in history a player had used a program to cheat at the GM level, other incidents involve players going to the bathroom.
@@andrewhall7930 we all know that at least some who have played online chess know wtf is stockfish. But how did he get the information from said program is the thing we all here trying to figure out
What if other sports were this way. “Oh you beat someone who never loses, you must be cheating.” No one has explained one simple thing, HOW DID HE DO IT if he actually cheated? Someone needs to replicate this and see if it’s even possible.
problem is if you cheat once and get caught you will for ever be a cheater even if you did play fairly no body will believe you when the unbelievable happens
GM Fisher beat GM Spaskey by just being better. Yes, GM Fisher did study Spaskey's games, but so did GM Spaskey's team study GM Fisher's. They had the benefit of all the candidate's matches. GM Spaskey's team even prepared a special game to refute one of GM Fisher's best variations and GM Fisher figured it out OTB and played the variation to let them get to their novelty. Then he looked at the board and proceeded to win against their prepared variation. GM Robert Fisher was one of a kind. It is a tragedy he was not appreciated and that he lost his mind.
“You may learn much more from a game you lose than from a game you win. You will have to lose hundreds of games before becoming a good player.” - José Raúl Capablanca
He checked that line the same morning, "by a miracle". Why wasn't he able to blitz out the first 15-20 moves then? Shouldn't be a problem when it's that fresh of a memory.. It just seems suspicious. And I don't believe he only cheated twice. I think he only got caught twice..
@@epicchess2021 Yeah. He might just have been really lucky, but the fact that he's a serial cheater, just makes it harder to believe he's suddenly so good that he would dominate the world's best chess player with black.. But thanks for the video. It was excellent!! Really good structured, and you were as unbiased as can be! Just excellent!
@@epicchess2021 Btw, you could've said that Magnus played a line he has never played before, or at least that's not recorded, but I don't know if you knew that. But other than that, spot on! Just think that makes it even more fishy..
Niemann cheated and then lied about how much he cheated, and is still lying about it. It's right there in the court findings. He cheated over 100 times, and in rated and prize money games. Frankly, it doesn't matter whether he cheated against Magnus specifically (though it's perfectly reasonable to suspect that he did) and it doesn't matter whether he cheated OTB or online or both. He's a slimy, dishonest person who clearly WOULD cheat again unremorsefully if he could get away with it, and his persistent lies alone are enough that he shouldn't be allowed to compete in rated games. He's also nothing special as a player. Banning him from FIDE would only improve the world of chess for everyone (other than streamers farming him for content).
What I don't understand is that for some reason the chess would doesn't understand is like we say in boxing or wrestling... styles make fights.. meaning you can be the best but someone out there has just the style or moves to take you out
As someone who has never followed Chess, it seems like the only evidence of cheating is that it was unexpected for Magnus to lose? Was his play so bizarre or strange?
Yeah this is where it is quite a strange case, because normally the accuser would come out and accuse and give reasons. In this case it was just insinuated and so people were left to fill in the blanks and that's where it all spiralled! Thanks for watching, Sean
There is no smoking gun, but there's a number of circumstantial things that raises suspicions. For one, how is it that Hans (by his own admission..) just happened to have studied the really rare line that Magnus never played before competitively? (The fact that he admitted this up front could be an attempt to appear transparent and defuse possible future suspicion around this, since it would obviously be far more problematic if he kept quiet about this and it later came to light that he happened to study the line that Magnus played, a line which Magnus never used before in competitive chess...) How is it that evaluating Hans' moves in this game, many moves (like 25 consecutively) all exactly match the top StockFish engine moves, while normally Hans' games (like most human players) has nowhere near this level of consistency with the preferred engine moves? How is it that the explanations/analyses for his own moves were so flippant/weak after the match? Usually if you're at that level you can explain in quite minute detail what you were thinking. But generally/vague explanations are to be expected if the moves were really engine moves and you didn't really know why the engine made the moves it did. Finally, Hans' has previously cheated. And he's been banned from Chess.com for cheating too. Chess.com, one would think, would not enforce a ban like that unless they had pretty solid smoking gun cast iron proof, one would think. All of which remains circumstantial but does make you go "hmmm."
It's not actually unexpected for a player to loose against an opponent with much lower ranking. It happens now and then and one of the reasons why tournaments go over several rounds is to prevent such outlier matches to affect the end result. There are several indications that Niemann cheated although none of the are very strong: + Niemann has himself admitted to have cheated before, last time only three years ago. + He is a student of Maxim Dlugy who is known to have been a cheater and has confessed to be so + Everybody, even chess players, make mistakes so they won't be able to find the best solution for each and every move throughout a game. If I remember right, Kasparov managed 69.5% efficiency at his best. Carlsen has on some very rare occasions managed slightly higher than 70%. Niemann has on at least one occasion managed 100% efficiency, something no other chess player has ever done. It may have been a fluke of course. + Carlsen played a very unusual game yet Niemann said he had happened to analyze it the morning before the game. That's incredibly lucky. + Niemann was unable to analyze a game he had just played because he is an "intuitive player". That doesn't ring quite true, especially when we compare it to the two points I listed above. It's all circumstantial evidence of course and as I said, probably not very strong either. But there is certainly more to it than Carlsen being p****d off for loosing a game.
Even as a no-rank, below average, low-end, club player, l remember the game I just played along with the reasons for my moves. And I'd be very happy to trade ideas with my opponent. Even my blunders will have some human reasoning to them. At the GM/WC level it's unthinkable to be this clueless. It's the interview by Hans that convinced me. BTW, I can't really let my chess "speak-for-itself" ; it's dumb 🙂
Breaking news! Reports suggest that Niemann's credit card statements are showing a purchase of $5.99 at a local adult shop in St. Louis. The plot thickens. Stay tuned.
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i agree with legend kasparov, magnus must make public statement. if you see all the circumstance, it look like hans is cheater. but if you watch the actual game, you know magnus made huge blunder left his queen unprotected and went downhill from there. i do not think hans deserve all of negativity. shame on grown men Hikaru for berating a promising and talented young man just for youtube view and attentions.
Bruh; Hans is 19; He was cought cheating last time when he was 16; He has been cheating for atleast since he was 12; He really wants everyone to belive that he only cheated twice in his life; Once when he was 12 and then 4 years later? REALLY? Just think about that satement; He was so bad at cheating that he got cought both times when he tryied to cheat; And oh he was so embarassed; Well clearly not since he did it twice; AT this point we could call Hans the father of all lies and he had it coming for a long time;
@@sourceconnection5957 no proof tho. Innocent until found guilty. And your reply doesnt even relate to the comment. The comment is "Magnus, speak your damn mind instead of speaking in runes and starting fire on other, and speak with logic and evidences"
@@sourceconnection5957 It's a bit much to call someone the father of all lies. It's a huge claim to make. Cheating twice doesnt make him "the father of all lies" Its best to stay neutral here. Maybe he cheated, maybe he didn't. We dont know and maybe we'll never do. Improve the game, the security, the proffesionalism of players. Why are yall raging, pitchfork in hand trying to accuse a man of something w/out concrete evidences? Mob mentality is terrible. And I thought chess players are calm and logical.
At some point in magnus and hikaru's chess career they probably have some moments where they do genius weird moves and their opponents were sus of them cuz they were losing to them.
The difference is: 1 - that they can explain their moves and thinking in great detail right after the game and it makes sense every time. 2 - their performances are consistent for their level in all environments. Online, tournaments, out in the park, whereever. 3 - they have not been caught for, nor self-confessed to, nor been banned from anywhere for cheating.
@@wefinishthisnow3883 People don't want to acknowledge facts in this situation. They just want Magnus knocked off the throne over jealousy. Sad really.
@@reitairue2073 he doesnt have the throne anymore. moreover, its extremely unprofessional of him to still be silent on this issue which has gotten out of hand.
Regardless of whether he cheatest this time, a former cheater should never have been allowed to compete in the first place. I know he was only 16 at the time, but just like how juveniles can be tried as an adult if the offense should be obviously wrong even to a juvenile, he should have known that it was wrong even as a 16 y.o and thus be thrown out as a consequence. Especially if he was already caught twice.
I think Carlsen was salty that Niemann saw through Carlsen's hairdo strategy and countered Carlsen's bad hairdo with an even worse hairdo; leaving Carlsen with no answer.
@@epicchess2021 Idk, once they increased security he sucked it up. Guess time will tell indeed. He conveniently blames the stress and pressure, lmfao, sure kid.
Imagine being so good at chess that whenever you lose it's an International cheating scandal
That shows how of a crybaby magnus is and how braindead fans he has
you semi nailed it... but it's the 100% engine accuracy that's got magnus convinced he's cheating. I believe Magnus went and studied the game he just lost and said this dude just played like a computer... oh and he keeps doing it to people....
in my mind he has to be cheating...there's no doubt in my mind
@@andrewholt6386 Might be but for now we don't know
Imagine being so conceited and such a poor loser that when you lose ONE game (after 50!+ wins) you assume the other player must have cheated and and you stomp your feet and quit.
So immature and so many better ways to handle it.
@@ToddAlanSloane I think the same but when I tell people this I get a hateful response and they tell me I am meatriding Hans
I think he meant to say that he’s been caught cheating twice. He said that he only cheated once when he was 12 and once when he was 16. I find it very doubtful that the only times that he cheated, was the only two times that he was caught cheating.
Yeah he cheated more online it seems and the chess.com report gave evidence around that
@VJ Are you nuts? Are you even aware of what you are talking of i guess you arent be gone kiddo
@@epicchess2021 So it is a fact that we are dealing with a serial liar here.
In my opinion it doesn't really matter if he cheated before or not. What's more important is if he cheated during that big game and if he didn't (and there's not enough evidence at all to prove that he was a cheater) then that means he has the full ability to pretty much beat anyone since he nearly beat one of the best chess players in history. Honestly I'm more against Carlson because he just straight-up disappeared and won't explain what's going on. Either he's afraid of getting him in trouble without enough evidence or his ego was hurt and he is in hiding, afraid to face the world. The whole situation is just a bunch of garbage if you ask me. There's so much bigger problems in this world to worry about more than if someone cheated during a game of chess or not.
@@guitarsandcars2586Niemann got you to write this didn’t he? 😂
Getting perfect accuracy against Magnus as black pieces made Nieman's whole day but actually beating him at the age of 19 made his hole weak.
wasted on the masses. well done.
Okay this is very clever
There is no perfect accuracy in that game.
Well played sir 🫡
*slow claps*
I'm not gonna take a side. I'm just gonna say that I'm a little surprised that the 15 minute delay wasn't implemented sooner. That's a pretty standard anti-cheating method used in live events where outside knowledge could be gotten from either watching the broadcast or from someone else who is watching the broadcast. Had that already been implemented, that would pretty much destroy most theories of cheating.
Pardon my ignorance of chess tournaments, but how do you delay the viewing of someone physically at the match?
@@CWHolleman by simply not allowing anyone near the table. Very far or no audience. And the live screen outside the room should be 15 mins delayed
@@CWHolleman he cheated by processing the data stream of the chess match and then relaying the best moves to a vibrating Bluetooth device. It took a youtuber a day to make such a device and it couldn't be detected by a metal detector. This is super simpel to do.
@@useazebra Exactly. We may never know the truth of this matter, but we do know that he cheated prior to this. The onus is on him to clear his name because many people, including me, think that Magnus has a point. This is no different to people who dope in sport being outed, such as Lance Armstrong or Jon Jones, among countless others. Their names will be stained forever. Niemann is in a similar position because of his history.
In short: never cheat, folks.
I once wanted to do a skit where an NBA team is shown huddling before the last-second play with the game on the line, diagramming the offense, while the defense is watching the television.
I never knew anal beads are a part of chess, never played before but a great time to start.
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🤣🤣🤣🤣👌
Of course Elon knows about the remote control beads...
first tip for chess newcumer, dont practice it too much, u might tear it apart
he looks uncomfortable...probably cubes or trapezoidal in shape...better signal power, I've been told
1:27
"Chess speaks for itself...now excuse me while I head to the bathroom to shit this thing out"
Lol
Haha
"I knew we shouldn't have put it on 100%"
That proper cracked me up!!! :-)
His gait speaks for itself.
You missed three important facts. Knowing that Hans has a history of cheating, Carlson played a variation of an opening HE HAD NEVER PLAYED BEFORE in his professional chess career. Aaaand somehow Hans had prepared for this the same morning. Hmm.
In the post game analysis Hikaru pointed out the holes in Niemann's analysis. Nieman claimed to be an 'intuitive player' when asked about his sketchy analysis.
Niemann played the same moves as the computer was recommending. Coincidence? Hmm.
The delay from broadcasting should fix this type of cheating. A deep ear-piece can have someone remote calling out the moves in Niemann's ear. Unscrupulous mentalists use this method.
"HE HAD NEVER PLAYED BEFORE" people like you are a disgrace just spreading like tiny little parrots what Hikaru said, which is a lie, and he even admitted he was wrong. How about instead of commenting lies you take a minute or two to inform yourself about the things you are so eager to talk about?
This is substantial evidence to me. “I happened to prepare for this exact scenario this morning” is CLASSIC preparation for a cheating accusation.
Before any suspicions had arose, he’s already establishing a defense on why his moves were so accurate.
And with that information, perhaps the cheating accusation is that Hans discovered the opening Carlson was preparing. In other words, he had a mole in Carlson's camp. Would that be cheating? It certainly didn't happen during the game. Maybe that's the argument.
why is preparing for a possible outcome considered cheating? ...seems like u guys are just soft.
Preparing for a possible outcome that he has never used once in his life? And by some miracle he practiced in the day before and thrills the press about it before all the cheating accusations started?
Niemann has a 45 move game that the engine rated at 100%. That means every move was the best move he could’ve made. Bobby Fisher never scored above 72 in any game he played.
I'm sorry to inform you that that data is a load of crap! It's been shown why and how it was manipulated
Which, still, is no proof
He didn't cheat Magnus is a dick
He was so good they thought he was cheating. Best compliment in the world
@@gerivega ... Unless he was cheating.
within four years this guy went from a cheater to a literal irrefutable chess genius i guess?
Well he only cheated twice, when he was looking to “rapidly enhance his rating”.. you know, because 2 matches is all it takes.. and it was only because he was looking to “play stronger players”..he only had to cheat because the players were too weak..👌scumbag
@@LiveFreeOrDie2A This except he cheated in over 100 online games and even some tournaments for prize money.
@@theeggman3517except there is no proof
@@theeggman3517when he was 16.
@@LiveFreeOrDie2A so as one of the strongest players you've to cheat against weaklings....make sense lul
The fact that he couldn't even properly analyze the positions he played post game is extremely suspicious.
No it's not suspicious not all gm are that good to analyze post game.
@@pingerfrints6716 GMs usually see few moves ahead, so they can make up their strategy - and that is also analyzing .. so u are wrong - they have to be good at analyzing to be GMs
@@kalinb5185 nope you are wrong.I can be a gm by winning always on fide chess and can increase my elo rating but have difficulty on analyzing post games.
@@pingerfrints6716exactly... thats why you're not a GM dummy
I heard he said "Look 👀 No Hans" ✋✋😏
He beats the top chess player in the world and all he has to say is chess speaks for itself and walks away like he just left a crime scene
Normal 19 year old trying to look cool
@@aymslt8743 if someone has an identity he is acused of copying others, brilliant.
@@aymslt8743 He succeeded
Perfect answer. The only explanation he owes the world is just this: "Check my moves, and you'll see how I beat Magnus!". That's it.
How can someone who did NOT do something (i.e., cheat) prove he didn't do it? This is impossible (and is taught in basic classes of logic: you can't prove a negative).
The burden of proof is, and must be, on the accuser: bring up evidence to substantiate your accusation. Magnus has Zero evidence, doesn't explain his accusation - and yet, he wants to be taken seriously?! On what basis? He's a sore loser.
@@D___F Yes, sure - IF you can believe such a ridiculous conspiracy theory.
"The chess speaks for itself"
"Sir this is a Wendy's drive-through, order something or leave."
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lmgdao
Got to get rid of that wireless tap up the arse quickly
Good move from the chess business entrepreneurs. This chess business needed drama, conspiracy theories, and creating rivalry to attract media coverage and public interest. Well orchestrated show and I'm confident you will succeed, you're all strategists after all. the next game between Carlson and Hans will be watched by 2billion viewers worldwide.
2 billion? 😂 Not a chance
Good point- I haven’t watched since Bobby Fischer
@@AudibleVisibIe 11 billion.
I didn't even think about it ... We're in 2022 .... This anus thing is kinda making it clear. I agree with you
Perhaps, they could take their cues from WrestleMania, dress in bizarre costumes, hurl the chess boards and pieces and slam their opponents to the ground.
Nieman played like a computer against magnus then proceeded to play like he normally does against anyone else only getting a draw at best
Bot true
That was my thought. Once the heat was on, his game drastically changed. His excuse for studying a line Magnus used once by chance seems extremely suspect to me. While the truth may never be known, the evidence strongly suggests he was less than honorable.
The funny thing is that part is a lie magnus has never used it. He lied in the interview or messed up because magnus has never used it
@@sithlord789 that pretty much says it all.
@@sithlord789 Magnus did use it in 2019(disregard this comment, I cant find the source).
Being caught cheating twice and cheating twice are not usually the same thing and it shows an attitude of being willing to cheat rather than lose. If you are willing to cheat when there is so little to gain how much more tempting is it with so much to gain?
He may have cheated in the past, but did he cheat in the game in question?
Is anyone doubting he's a high level player?
@@DrSpoculus Honestly whether he cheated that game is irrelevant, he should not be allowed to play high level chess.
@@erebusvonmori8050 why should he not be allowed?
@@DrSpoculus He's a proven cheat?
@@erebusvonmori8050 admitted is not the same as proven.
If he didn't cheat in the game in question then you're just being salty that he beat your hero.
There's been zero evidence, just speculation. You people need to stop with the witch hunt unless you can prove something.
I'm sure there are plenty of moral issues you are squirrely on, but on this subject about a board game you have to take this hard stance. You're just looking for a villain to hate.
He's better than you at chess. He always will be.
Carlsen has a clear path forward to alleviate the scandal: Simply say "I strongly suspected Niemann of cheating, given his past, and while I may have been wrong, I retain my suspicions which of course can never be proved. Time will tell if Niemann is the virtuoso he purported in that game to be, and I just want to move forward."
You should be a publicist this would be the perfect statement
@@calumparfitt7962 Thanks so much!!
I think that Magnus is already doing that.. not with words but by his actions.
Carlsen is the one who came out horrible from all this. Trying to throw his weight around like a whiney nerd.
@@ItIsYouAreNotYour Except he didn't do that. Resigning from the tournament doesn't = "throwing his weight around". That's the opposite lol.
7:55 is the biggest bombshell imo. it's the biggest chess site basically insinuating that Hans is lying and he's cheated more than he said. Which would be very good reason to suspect him, if he's a seasoned cheater. imagine cheating multiple times at a game and then being shocked when people call you a cheater
I missread what you wrote, but yeah I believe they basically said what he admitted to didnt match up with what they know of him doing on their site before. I do wonder if he got another account? or just asked them to unban in the first place. The covering up of his cheating is the part I find weirdest, like someone knows he got caught
Yeah, well - I think they meant considering that online chess games may count towards earning your title norms these days - so cheating to boost your online rating and play higher rated opponents faster is still pretty serious since he only became a GM last year.
There is a BIG BIG difference between cheating online (very easy) and cheating over the board at the Sinquefieldcup (very hard, if not impossible to do). The players get scanned with a metal detector and a radio detector, so there is just no way anyone is cheating at this tournament.
@@thijmen6451 It's a pretty bold statement to say there is "no" way someone could cheat.
@@BenB5 There is no realistici way to cheat. So unless you are willing to go down the path of suggesting he's using anal beads, there is no way.
“I have never cheated over the board”, and “It’s true, that I have cheated twice in my life online, once when I was twelve years old, and again when I was sixteen”.
Another way he might have said this is:
“I never got caught cheating over the board”, and “It’s true, that I got caught cheating twice in my life online, once when I was twelve years old, and again when I was sixteen”.
People who don't understand modern chess may not understand that there are chess programs Such as Stockfish that are essentially unbeatable, these programs (always) make God-like moves. essentually Magnus believes Hans is using one of these programs to calculate his moves. This is actually not a new thing, this would be the third (known) time in history a player had used a program to cheat at the GM level, other incidents involve players going to the bathroom.
Yeah it could even be more subtle that that, eg someone else with access to a machine just whispers a couple words in hand ear at a an opportune moment or gets a message to him in another way. No evidence that is happening of course and incredibly hard to do but that’s how it could feasibly happen
The best chess programs are trash 🗑️ because they can't beat players like Magus Carlson.
Ehm it's not really the third time this is used, I have myself cheated with stockfish hundreds of times xD
@@epicchess2021 yep. filtered light through his contact lenses. They polarise/convert invisible light signal (UV/IR) to a visible flashing (for him only).
@@goroakechi8577 you’re joking right
The drama was explained but it's still not fully resolved. Assuming there is no explicit proof of foul play It would be nice if Magnus explained his thought process that lead him to resign.
@@Pingu3333 I know noting about chess never watch a chess match I've played chess maybe 3x
But I'm a giant MMA fan I've been at 500 plus shows I've watch 100s of different organizations and watch 1000s of events .
And cheating in MMA happens on every show either it's fence grab a glove grab hook. Or playing the scale .
But when someone loses via someone cheating they barely care.
For this legend in chess to withdraw because he lost without proof of cheating kinda tasteless . If this guy one of the biggest chess legends makes guys like me who barely know chess makes us think chess players are cry babies
@@NOT-A-Monolith he loss to someone rated lower than hans and he didnt resign
Mathematically, 30 legal moves puts the variations at 10 to the power of 120, many more atoms than in the entire universe. 20 move variations, minus all the unplayable/obviously weak moves will still be easily in the hundreds of thousands of variations. "Coincidently", in the morning of that day Hans prepared the exact same line of 20 moves in, to which Magnus played. I suggest dont play chess and just buy a lottery ticket instead.
@@Pingu3333 uh Magnus has lost many times before lol I think he felt like the opponent was using obvious engine moves against a line Magnus never used in tournament. and nobody knows wtf is going on with the position but Hans acted like his moves were completely obvious.
@@NOT-A-Monolith Cheating in chess guarantees a win, computers are super powerful. Things like fence grabbing can also be instinctive when getting battered. Some cheats in mma are minor enough to be dismissed, but there's only one way to cheat in chess, which would be akin to using a taser gun in the ring or octagon.
Hikaru always finds a way to insert himself into drama that he's not a part of, lmfao.
It's what living in Magnus' shadow does to a chess grandmaster.
@@BOY1thousand magnus contaminates poor hikaru
Honestly looking at the moves I feel like it's legit, the moves are natural, magnus just didnt account for his pawn being on the diagonal connected to his queen after a bishop capture queen exchange.
Magus has been known to get extremely agitated when he makes even minor mistakes in games he wins anyways, so it doesn't surprise me to see him act like a petulant child on a loss. Making cheating allegations without proof.
Magnus knows how to win, but he is certainly inexperienced in losing. Finding fault in all but himself.
hes so me fr
thats also how you make money these days creating content. Kind of sad you cant figure that out by now.
6:07 It is more accurate to say you have been caught twice once you were 12 years old and once you were 16 years old.
Yeah. He was caught 2x.
I find it near impossible that all the times he cheated was found.
@@jaybestnz If you believe that story, you are easily swindled.
Those were time WHEN HE WAS “CAUGHT”
cheating is a habit, especially when it has been repeated
@@richdotcom1959 everyone cheats in some way or another. Read the Bible story of Jesus and the lady that was about to be stoned. None of us is uniquely qualified to judge someone based on their past and say they cannot ever change their future.
I love how this is creating tension ny splitting the chess community. This is like a reallife film-drama kind of thing. Very entertaining 😁
It's more like a fantasy movie. A curly haired devil fools the world, yet again, and only wins by cheating the heroes.
Foxcatcher was creepy AF
How can you cheat in Chess?
The better comparison is US politics in a nutshell. One side yelling some absurd statement while the other saying show me the evidence. Who was right or wrong changes frequently and nobody knows which way is up. It's all a mess, and I love it lmao
@@peroleable you can cheat by using computer engine. One "assistent" makes moves on the computer and sends them to the player, which actually participates in the game.
I'm sure many of you know of the cheating scandal in the poker world with Mike Postle -- although that one has been confirmed as cheating. The difference is that very strict measures are taken in chess so it's a lot harder to get away with it, while in poker you could be getting the info you need via your smartphone.
The fact that Postle and Stones have gotten away with it is sickening.
The point is that at the time of the tournament, the security of the tournament was low, so if there was cheating, the evidence is lost
OTB cheating is extremely difficult to do.
Difficult but not possible, especially for GM's that only need a move or two at critical moments in the game. Cheating OTB is easier than you think.
@@anonypersona3189 please explain the methods - I am intrigued.....
@@blaze1148 The game was not a blitz game, players had ample time to make moves (12 mins was Han's longest time to make 1 move IIRC).
The game was live-streamed without delay, meaning an accomplice could input the board into StockFish, which takes secs to come up with the best move. So the goal would be to get a single letter and a single digit across to Hans (eg: "E4"). That would be enough for a GM to know what to play.
That can be done countless number of ways. A person standing in a certain place, using certain signals (tapping foot or doing some pre-determined gesture or taking some amount of steps). A person could flash a laser in a corner/window where only Hans would know to look. If an accomplice is in plain view - there's countless ways to accomplish this.
A person out-of-view could use audio cues that Hans would look for. A remote device planted before hand within sight (not hard). They did not strip search of send him through a full-body x-ray machine - meaning he still could have hidden a device that would bypass security (eg: metal item in belt / glasses, something that security screens as metal but lets through thinking it's harmless). The wand can be defeated by turning off the device - no RF signals. Tons of ways, just got to get creative.
Keep in mind strip searches and full body x-ray systems exist for a reason. If a wand could detect everything, security would have no use strip searching and would have a 100% success rate of finding contraband. It's actually more likely security lets more things through than they actually catch - something to keep in mind. You only need to trick security for 20 secs. It's kinda like playing find Waldo with a 10 sec limit plus the security personnel have limited tools, don't know if the contraband (waldo) is even there or what the contraband (waldo) even looks like.
Finally, if the accomplice is able to enter the arena, they can bring in the device (even in pieces) for Hans totally undetected without as much scrutiny as the players. A little sleight of hand can go a far ways. You also see players leave the seat for bathroom breaks and water - numerous of ways to leave a note of what to play.
@@anonypersona3189 All speculation - non proved - move on.
Everybody could cheat all the time - Alireza's acomplice must be using Alpha Zero then....do you get my point.
Very well-presented overview of the scandal. Kudos for staying objective by stating the facts and not passing judgement either way. Thanks for all the great analysis "on" or "off" the board.
Thanks Siamak!
What about Punins findings tho? Does make him way more sus
Agreed. I watched another video before this, in hope of learning what happened, and it didn't tell me anything, just some guy rambling. This is clearly explained.
its only a scandal if he cheated, which is highly unlikely because he was metal detected before the match which they hovered over both his shoes and rear.
EHHHHHHH there were a few moments of bias. Why emphasize the length of Hans' interview? Just say he gave an interview defending himself and present quotes. Saying it was so long can give the impression that he was desperately trying to defend himself.
12 yrs old and already cheating? The worse part is he did it again at 16. Don't be shocked if someone accuses you of cheating. Good reputation is hard to establish once tarnished LOL
Yea hard to beleive a known cheater saying "i didnt cheat".Impossible to prove now anyway,these things have to be caught in the act
Proven that he cheated over 100 times now. He's a cheater
I disagree. I think admitting it speaks more. And he was merely 12, and 16. I would have tried it as well/ especially if I was a child and saw a way to try it. Great that he admitted it and also learned from it. In some form or fashion we have all cheated.
@@julesybethmedlini we know that story was a complete lie and that he had continued cheating right up until his ban and on over 100 instances INCLUDING in cash prize tournaments and serious games against top players.
@@xaiano794 definitely didn’t have that information! Wow!
The principle of innocent until proven guilty is enshrined in our culture and must be respected. Either catch Hans red handed, produce evidence beyond reasonable doubt or that guy is innocent. The onus is on the organizer to deploy anti-cheating technologies instead of accusing someone simply because his plays are too closely correlated to machine's.
The hard evidence is difficult to find, but the circumstantial evidence is quite large, he's cheated online a lot, his coach has admitted to cheating, his rating took an absolutely massive leap out of the blue, he seems incapable of accurately explaining why he made moves in very complicated positions during interviews, and many of the world's best players hint that they think he is, obviously no one will say it outright, because they are afraid of Hans's multimillionaire parents's lawyers. For me I think this kid is cheating, I think he is doing so aggressively and often. I guess you must think OJ Simpson is innocent as well?
@@joebaer1358 By definition OJ was and is innocent, yes. Either provide proper evidence or he’ll be considered innocent. I agree with the points you mentioned, but just because someone cheated or “has done it a lot” doesn’t mean a thing. You need to prove he cheated there and then
Agreed. They should increase their measure for detecting cheating devices, but they should not ban someone or accuse someone without evidence. Let the future of his rating determine if he did cheat of not.
This is only true in court. In life you don't need to prove someone is a cheater to believe someone is a cheater, specially considering how difficult it is to actually provide solid proof of it. Statistical analysis gives us a very good picture of what is more likely and in Hans' case the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the inference that he cheated.
court is life, genius
Various subtleties? Are you kidding me? He got embarrassed in that interview. Also he got banned again because he lied about cheating online
'Banned' actually due to something Hans said about Danny Rensch, the guy incharge of that online chess website. It's political. They only want to cover their backs.
Damn ! Jack Harlow can't cheat like this.
this channel is so underrated. keep it up. I always watch your vids :)
Thanks Benjamin glad you enjoyed! Cheers for watching
This channel is as much a fraud as Hans.
The most ironic and yet the most important aspect of all this that no one speaks about is that how he was cheating in OTB games. This was a publicity for Hans and that is the bottom line. He has got more popular than he was and he will be even more in the lime light in the future.
Impossible to know unless you can catch him. The vibrator story was a funny joke but incredibly plausible to use as a cheating device.
Take a few minutes to think on it and you can find half a dozen ways to cheat. Accomplices would make cheating easy. Solo cheating with decent anti-cheat protocols would be difficult but with one or especially two others, there are not cheat detection measures in place.
So that’s why nobody is seriously talking about how, only if. How is unfortunately too easy. Risky at that level to ruin your career, but not difficult.
@@TheHomicidalTendency What is the gist of the vibrator story
From my understanding the anal beeds would vibrate like moris code lol to correspond his next move.
Finally someone said it.
Saying that he wasn't sweating there for he was cheating is laughable
The game was a bit sus, but not enough evidence based on the game alone HOWEVER hans' history of cheating and a complete disregard for fair play together with this questionable character gives a lot of credence to him cheating.
Thanks as always for watching and sharing your thoughts
@@epicchess2021 Thanks for your great content boss.
Paul Bloemen - 7 hours ago
So, Hans did nothing wrong during the tournament, other than beating Magnus in a stunning way: good to Hans, and to me Magnus looks like a very poor loser, which he has shown earlier in his life. Magnus has to admit what happened, like him being a poor loser, or? And then, life goes on.
@@rmm9676 he lost to a cheater , anyone would be mad about that lol , poor loser for what ? he has nothing left to prove to anyone , the one who has to prove anything is the cheater , just a matter of time for his fall down
Quote that to your financial advisor. They always say past performance does not guarantee future performance.
Once they increase the security specifically on the games involving Hans Niemann what were the results and how was this play did he continue to play near perfect or was he starting to make mistakes because if after security is increased his performance drops substantially then we kind of know what happened
They dont check shoes lol.
@@THEBOYDALEK All player performances dropped not just Hans.
@@Romans8-9 All players dropped to that extent? Don’t think so. Btw I don’t necessarily think he cheated OTB but for being such a dick cheating so many times online he has brought everything on to himself as apparently he has dedicated his life to chess. Total cock.
Yes,he played nothing after that. Where was the briliant game??He beat Magnus, no? He didn't knew chess anymore?
The only evidence I've seen is this "We think he used an engine." But no proof of it. Okay, so lets put Hans and Magnus in a room with no electronics after a strip search if need be and let them duke it out. If Hans isn't a cheater his play will show it.
They need to stop live-streaming these high profile tournaments, and restrict access to view the live-game to only arbiters. They could potentially stream the game with 30 minute delay.
I'm surprised they haven't been doing that the whole time. It wouldnt ruin the broadcast, and it's a foolproof way to eliminate cheating via stream sniping. If you also ban IRL audiences, the only ways to cheat is with a two-way communication device, or an on-person engine, which is really difficult to pull off under the existing fair play measures.
@@christopher19894 exactly 👍🏻
@@christopher19894 That sounds like a wonderful way to transform an already boring sport in an absolute bore. How are you going to sell thickets like that?
@@christopher19894 Then no one goes to support the tournaments and chess dies. Are you reading what you type? This is why Hans potentially cheating is a huge deal here. There is no stopping it through the means you say, the delay could work for some. You will never keep chess alive if you ban IRL spectators. Lmfaoooo, no sport continues without making money.
the fact that hans never explained his games / moves but just says "chess speaks for itself" is evidence enough that he's really likely cheating. and if he's not cheating he should play against magnus again but with 100% evidence he's not cheating - let's see his accuracy then
Dude, we can’t see how he ‘’cheated’’ and maybe he’s gonna redo a perfect accuracy.
@@imalegendofsomething6838Ima micro -čip u zubu ispod bele plombe 😂
Very simplistic video with no analysis of how cheating could have happened on this game or Niemman’s trajectory. For a much more compelling and in depth analysis I recommend Yosha Iglesias video that shows Niemann’s stats look quite suspicious.
What a baby. Maybe Carlsen just played bad, maybe Hans just had a better game. Didn't Stockfish determine that Carlsen made some inaccuracies? Geez, come on Carlsen, you lost, take it like a man. What a child....
Don't these guys have to stay in hotel rooms for these tournaments? If I had to guess: Hans bugged Magnus's room and knew his planned moves ahead of time. The other option is, someone was using a computer to find the best moves, and was transmitting the solution to Magnus.
Anything is possible!
Seriously?
Or he did not cheat
Seems a little far fetched
Nono, he would just magically prepare for just that scenario out of the blue, and then bring up that he did out of the blue.
If no one can play with 100% accuracy, then it is indeed telling that hans managed to achieve it.
The prevailing sentiment isn't Niemann cheated over the board. It's that he somehow obtained Magnus opening preparation. Indeed Niemann stated he had the exact same position earlier that day on his computer.
I'm sorry, but that alone should not be enough to beat the champ, if so chess is a bad game.
@@mads205 Magnus lost to a GM. That does happen on occasion. Magnus is the best but he isn't perfect.
no no no stop propagating this absolute worm IQ theory -- the prevailing sentiment is that he cheated over the board -- none of that braindead prep leak idiocy
Concrete proof is likely that will never show up, but tons of evidence points to him being a serial cheater. Not only in that game, but several online tournaments
If Magnus played an opening he never played before the odds of having the same opening moves on a computer is close to mathematically impossible. It’s like thoroughly shuffling a deck of cards. The order of those cards has never before, in the history of humankind, been duplicated. When Hans disclosed that he had the exact opening variation, Magnus knew this couldn’t possibly happen. The rest is history. Recent history, but nonetheless, history.
Having the same idea is mathematically impossible
@@sincromisticismoo Okay but are you a top 100 GM?
@@sincromisticismoo very interesting. But a premonition is different than having the actual sequence of moves on a computer. And we could agree to disagree. I love when that could be done with such respect. Congrats on your success and I’m sorry sickness adversely affected your ability to compete at high levels. Wishing you the best!
What if magnus lost because you know, he hadnt played that shit before
The known fact that Niemann •ever• cheated in a chess competition should render him permanently ineligible for professional play. Pretty irrelevant though, as machine intelligence plays the game so much better.
I agree there should be punishment though I personally wouldn't make it forever
How is it irrelevant simply because machines play better? This is a competition between _human_ players. Machines aren’t meant to be involved.
you know, Niemann is a young guy of the next generation. a generation full of ultra tech savvy dudes that just know about all kinds of new tech that allows this or that. I wonder if he had some device in his hair that blocked detection from the scanners until it was activated. who knows man, but his moves were insane against Firouzja and Carlsen. I think Magnus noticed something in his playstyle that just didn't feel human and made no sense, just like Firouzja felt when he played vs Hans and Magnus just thought there's noooo way he's winning this tournament with this guy that's using engine moves instead of theory.
As a chess enthusiast and admirer, I'm already disgusted with this. If the issue is not addressed with vigilance, what will happen, is that all the sponsors will run away from chess shows and tournaments, and will refuse to be involved in scandals that will finally smudge their names. The issue is not just about cheating: it is about cheating in chess on very high levels, where there is MORE MONEY involved, and cheating designed in order to get there, where there is MORE MONEY. If it persists and proven suspects were not kicked out for good, then the sponsorships of tournaments become nothing else but money laundering schemes in rigged public shows. What this teaches the next generation of players? What are "real achievements"? Cheated games are worthless. This means certain death to the chess sport, and a total downfall of the game.
An objective and very well done summary of the current turmoil. Thank you.
Thanks Shockprowl glad you enjoyed. And no worries, cheers for watching!
Tip o’ the hat, sir! Very nice summary of events!
Thanks a lot! Nice to hear from a regular viewer that you enjoyed it, took bloody ages to make haha
Old news at this point, but the engine being off for Hans could be explained by the previous day’s contentious interview where the engine analysis was a big topic. “Don’t rob me of my humanity!” was the quote, I think… pawns under the chess bridge at this point 🤷🏻♂️
Funny how StLCC hasn’t had to face too many questions about their role in pointing the finger at Hans. What if randy ‘ol Rex Sinquefield groped Magnus and that’s why he withdrew? Then StLCC raised security to deliberately redirect attention to Hans? I guess we’ll never know 🤣🤣
They must check very carefully, Carlson might think he's playing a human opponent, but he's actually playing Stockfish.
Someone should get a casino cheating expert to watch the match.
Anybody can be a casino cheat expert. All they do is ban people who win too much.
If they had Chess Tables, they would ban Carlsen...lol
NO ONE plays 100%, no one. Do you have any idea what the odds are? And to do it multiple times? It’s not possible. Everyone knows he cheated lol. I literally don’t know anyone who believes he didn’t. They’re only quiet because Hans threatened a 100 million lawsuit. That’s it.
Yeah he cheated online in past but not in this game!
It's impossible to say whether someone was or wasn't cheating. But we've all been there - merrily getting win after win against players of a similar rating, then finding ourselves completely demolished by someone 100-200 points lower, for no obvious reason. There's a distinct feel to it when you're getting beaten by a computer.
In this day of anti-hero worship, merely saying, "you can't absolutely prove he did it" equals absolute exoneration. He cheated.
You cannot remotely prove he cheated.
@@VitalMusic217 You cannot absolutely prove he didn't.
@@James-cz5hf No, you are mistaken. It's you who need to prove it if you are the one acusing.
@@VitalMusic217 Oh! Thank you! Didn't know either of us had that authority. Okay, so prison for him and death for you. I have spoken.
@@James-cz5hf No, you don't get it. When you acuse someone of doing something it's you who are obliged to provide evidence of those acusations. It's called "presumption of innocence". Otherwise I could acuse you of anything, and since you cannot disprove it you would be found guilty. Do you understand it now?
He breaks his silence when the cheat is proved :)
much respect to Magnus for not engaging in drama.
Not “potentially suspicious”. It was suspicious.
Suspicion does not prove guilt.
@@MarkLawry True.
@@MarkLawry The whole "guilty until proven innocent" phase the west is going through is just sad honestly
@@YenConjuring tell me more Dr. Jeterson Lobsterman Pordan
Next tournament is Magnus’ chance to prove Hans wrong.
Why would you even let someone who has clearly cheated more than once before, play again in a tournament?
Make a video about Hans Niemann's play after this game? People keep saying he was bad, maybe show us some examples?? thanks!
They are actually playing in the same tournament again starting today so that will be fascinating
No one can play chess under those conditions. His collapse was to be expected.
not only did he peak as a chess player rapidly but he did right when it mattered the most so Idk what to think
He has definitely not peaked
check out the chessbase article with an in depth analysis of literally every single online and OTB game he played in the past 2 years, none of his games were he made his rating were particularly great or had particularly high accuracy from his side either, if anything his opponents underperformed. At this point the theory that he got his title by paying off his opponents to lose would have more ground to stand on then the theory of him cheating..
2 seemingly opposing statements can be true at the same time. For instance, a person is innocent until proven guilty and there is a lot of cheating in sports(and in general for that matter) that goes undetected. That is to say that whether Hans Neimann is innocent or not is a completely different from whether Hans Niemann cheated or not. He can be both. He could have cheated in such a way that there is no proof of it, at least none that anyone could find. Technically he's still innocent because there's no proof of his cheating, yet he could have cheated just the same. Think of it another way, a person can commit murder(or any other crime for that matter) leaving 0 evidence behind for the police to find. Said person would be innocent of any wrong doing, yet his victim will still be dead all the same.
Past cheating allegations and terrible character will lead people to think that you're a cheater. Is this really that hard to explain?
. . . and the main question still remains. . .how did Hans cheat? And, why did Magnus quit that tournament?
People who don't understand modern chess may not understand that there are chess programs Such as Stockfish that are essentially unbeatable, these programs (always) make God-like moves. essentually Magnus believes Hans is using one of these programs to calculate his moves. This is actually not a new thing, this would be the third (known) time in history a player had used a program to cheat at the GM level, other incidents involve players going to the bathroom.
@@andrewhall7930 we all know that at least some who have played online chess know wtf is stockfish. But how did he get the information from said program is the thing we all here trying to figure out
@@anonymousstout4759 Morse code.
@@Barbarous_Wretch morse code in the ass?
@@andrewhall7930 we know stockfish exist dummy. we meant how did he cheat infront of carlsen ?
What if other sports were this way. “Oh you beat someone who never loses, you must be cheating.” No one has explained one simple thing, HOW DID HE DO IT if he actually cheated? Someone needs to replicate this and see if it’s even possible.
Never thought there would be a drama in the chess community. Its finally getting interesting lol
by the butt plugs..
Great video - you were so professional in your analysis. You will go far.
Thanks David appreciate it!
A Cheater will always be a Cheater.
problem is if you cheat once and get caught you will for ever be a cheater even if you did play fairly no body will believe you when the unbelievable happens
Maybe hanns studied Carlson's tactics so much that he prepared himself for whatever would happen just like Fisher beat sbasky
GM Fisher beat GM Spaskey by just being better. Yes, GM Fisher did study Spaskey's games, but so did GM Spaskey's team study GM Fisher's. They had the benefit of all the candidate's matches. GM Spaskey's team even prepared a special game to refute one of GM Fisher's best variations and GM Fisher figured it out OTB and played the variation to let them get to their novelty. Then he looked at the board and proceeded to win against their prepared variation.
GM Robert Fisher was one of a kind. It is a tragedy he was not appreciated and that he lost his mind.
“You may learn much more from a game you lose than from a game you win. You will have to lose hundreds of games before becoming a good player.” - José Raúl Capablanca
What a great quote thanks for sharing! And very true
Only Stockfish 15 could have beat Magnus that well.
may be he was using stock fish 16
@@hp7639 lol what
Hans is about to be the butt of every joke.
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first of all, why would a large event invite someone who cheated before?
That was just an online thing that got sorted
I won’t be surprised if Hans nimann has a digital eye contact getting feedback from an engine or something
He checked that line the same morning, "by a miracle". Why wasn't he able to blitz out the first 15-20 moves then? Shouldn't be a problem when it's that fresh of a memory.. It just seems suspicious. And I don't believe he only cheated twice. I think he only got caught twice..
He addressed that in interview as it happens, just wanted to check details and make sure not mixing things up. Can fully relate tbh!
@@epicchess2021 Yeah. He might just have been really lucky, but the fact that he's a serial cheater, just makes it harder to believe he's suddenly so good that he would dominate the world's best chess player with black.. But thanks for the video. It was excellent!! Really good structured, and you were as unbiased as can be! Just excellent!
@@epicchess2021 Btw, you could've said that Magnus played a line he has never played before, or at least that's not recorded, but I don't know if you knew that. But other than that, spot on! Just think that makes it even more fishy..
Niemann cheated and then lied about how much he cheated, and is still lying about it. It's right there in the court findings. He cheated over 100 times, and in rated and prize money games.
Frankly, it doesn't matter whether he cheated against Magnus specifically (though it's perfectly reasonable to suspect that he did) and it doesn't matter whether he cheated OTB or online or both. He's a slimy, dishonest person who clearly WOULD cheat again unremorsefully if he could get away with it, and his persistent lies alone are enough that he shouldn't be allowed to compete in rated games. He's also nothing special as a player. Banning him from FIDE would only improve the world of chess for everyone (other than streamers farming him for content).
Hans carries himself like he’s never been punched for his obnoxious attitude.
This is brilliant, good work james
Play at 1.25 speed thank me later
Jokes on you I watch every video 1.75x or 2x just saving my time 😂😂😂
Thanks man
What I don't understand is that for some reason the chess would doesn't understand is like we say in boxing or wrestling... styles make fights.. meaning you can be the best but someone out there has just the style or moves to take you out
As someone who has never followed Chess, it seems like the only evidence of cheating is that it was unexpected for Magnus to lose? Was his play so bizarre or strange?
Yeah this is where it is quite a strange case, because normally the accuser would come out and accuse and give reasons. In this case it was just insinuated and so people were left to fill in the blanks and that's where it all spiralled! Thanks for watching, Sean
There is no smoking gun, but there's a number of circumstantial things that raises suspicions. For one, how is it that Hans (by his own admission..) just happened to have studied the really rare line that Magnus never played before competitively?
(The fact that he admitted this up front could be an attempt to appear transparent and defuse possible future suspicion around this, since it would obviously be far more problematic if he kept quiet about this and it later came to light that he happened to study the line that Magnus played, a line which Magnus never used before in competitive chess...)
How is it that evaluating Hans' moves in this game, many moves (like 25 consecutively) all exactly match the top StockFish engine moves, while normally Hans' games (like most human players) has nowhere near this level of consistency with the preferred engine moves?
How is it that the explanations/analyses for his own moves were so flippant/weak after the match? Usually if you're at that level you can explain in quite minute detail what you were thinking. But generally/vague explanations are to be expected if the moves were really engine moves and you didn't really know why the engine made the moves it did.
Finally, Hans' has previously cheated. And he's been banned from Chess.com for cheating too. Chess.com, one would think, would not enforce a ban like that unless they had pretty solid smoking gun cast iron proof, one would think.
All of which remains circumstantial but does make you go "hmmm."
It's not actually unexpected for a player to loose against an opponent with much lower ranking. It happens now and then and one of the reasons why tournaments go over several rounds is to prevent such outlier matches to affect the end result.
There are several indications that Niemann cheated although none of the are very strong:
+ Niemann has himself admitted to have cheated before, last time only three years ago.
+ He is a student of Maxim Dlugy who is known to have been a cheater and has confessed to be so
+ Everybody, even chess players, make mistakes so they won't be able to find the best solution for each and every move throughout a game. If I remember right, Kasparov managed 69.5% efficiency at his best. Carlsen has on some very rare occasions managed slightly higher than 70%. Niemann has on at least one occasion managed 100% efficiency, something no other chess player has ever done. It may have been a fluke of course.
+ Carlsen played a very unusual game yet Niemann said he had happened to analyze it the morning before the game. That's incredibly lucky.
+ Niemann was unable to analyze a game he had just played because he is an "intuitive player". That doesn't ring quite true, especially when we compare it to the two points I listed above.
It's all circumstantial evidence of course and as I said, probably not very strong either. But there is certainly more to it than Carlsen being p****d off for loosing a game.
Even as a no-rank, below average, low-end, club player, l remember the game I just played along with the reasons for my moves. And I'd be very happy to trade ideas with my opponent. Even my blunders will have some human reasoning to them. At the GM/WC level it's unthinkable to be this clueless. It's the interview by Hans that convinced me.
BTW, I can't really let my chess "speak-for-itself" ; it's dumb 🙂
@@tessjuel you forgot how bad he played afterwards, compared to that God-like streak.
Breaking news!
Reports suggest that Niemann's credit card statements are showing a purchase of $5.99 at a local adult shop in St. Louis. The plot thickens. Stay tuned.
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When the sales tax was added, the sum was actually $6.54.
Massive Congratulations James !
Your first chess video to reach 1 million views !
20,000 subscribers to 1,000,000
2 to 100
1 to 50
This video has 50 times as many viewers as your current number of subscribers
This is the very definition of a trending video. A trending topic.
Well played James !
Nice one !
Thanks man appreciate it, yeah was kinda just riding the wave with this one, crazy few months in chess!
i agree with legend kasparov, magnus must make public statement. if you see all the circumstance, it look like hans is cheater. but if you watch the actual game, you know magnus made huge blunder left his queen unprotected and went downhill from there. i do not think hans deserve all of negativity. shame on grown men Hikaru for berating a promising and talented young man just for youtube view and attentions.
Bruh; Hans is 19; He was cought cheating last time when he was 16;
He has been cheating for atleast since he was 12;
He really wants everyone to belive that he only cheated twice in his life;
Once when he was 12 and then 4 years later? REALLY?
Just think about that satement;
He was so bad at cheating that he got cought both times when he tryied to cheat;
And oh he was so embarassed; Well clearly not since he did it twice;
AT this point we could call Hans the father of all lies and he had it coming for a long time;
@@sourceconnection5957 no proof tho. Innocent until found guilty.
And your reply doesnt even relate to the comment. The comment is "Magnus, speak your damn mind instead of speaking in runes and starting fire on other, and speak with logic and evidences"
@@sourceconnection5957 It's a bit much to call someone the father of all lies. It's a huge claim to make. Cheating twice doesnt make him "the father of all lies"
Its best to stay neutral here. Maybe he cheated, maybe he didn't. We dont know and maybe we'll never do. Improve the game, the security, the proffesionalism of players. Why are yall raging, pitchfork in hand trying to accuse a man of something w/out concrete evidences? Mob mentality is terrible. And I thought chess players are calm and logical.
Nobody mentioned that Magnus Carlsen been interested in poker recently so he been slacking on chess.
Yes, it was on the cards he'd suffer for that.
@@davidcopson5800 Oof, no need to up the ante like that 😆
@@ItsAsparageese you've got to hand it to him
@@danm5602 I shouldn't go all in on pun threads too much, I'm supposed to be going straight
@@ItsAsparageese Cry me a river.
Why would anyone give the benefit of the doubt to a confirmed habitual cheater.
Imo with Carlsen its trap, after trap. But you cant have 0 losses during a season, only AI can.
Now THAT is suspicious.
@@MarkLawry yes i agree. Players know when someone isnt playing by the book.
At some point in magnus and hikaru's chess career they probably have some moments where they do genius weird moves and their opponents were sus of them cuz they were losing to them.
The difference is:
1 - that they can explain their moves and thinking in great detail right after the game and it makes sense every time.
2 - their performances are consistent for their level in all environments. Online, tournaments, out in the park, whereever.
3 - they have not been caught for, nor self-confessed to, nor been banned from anywhere for cheating.
Especially of they where cought TWICE for cheating ( like Hans ha been).
@@wefinishthisnow3883 People don't want to acknowledge facts in this situation. They just want Magnus knocked off the throne over jealousy. Sad really.
@@reitairue2073 he doesnt have the throne anymore. moreover, its extremely unprofessional of him to still be silent on this issue which has gotten out of hand.
@@h4rder10 That much I will agree with. He could be handling this a lot better.
Regardless of whether he cheatest this time, a former cheater should never have been allowed to compete in the first place. I know he was only 16 at the time, but just like how juveniles can be tried as an adult if the offense should be obviously wrong even to a juvenile, he should have known that it was wrong even as a 16 y.o and thus be thrown out as a consequence. Especially if he was already caught twice.
Yeah igu but respectfully disagree!
if he is 19 , donald trump is 20
I think Carlsen was salty that Niemann saw through Carlsen's hairdo strategy and countered Carlsen's bad hairdo with an even worse hairdo; leaving Carlsen with no answer.
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Hahahahaha
Bobby Fischer definitely will hate Hans, and probably like Magnus. Maybe Ding too
Given the "anal beads" theory, I have a theory that someone was using Stockfish and could speak to Hans using telepathy which move to play.
Try through morse code...
I have a theory that is just as valid - he was spiritually channeling the ghost of Paul Morphy. My theory as good as yours.
Lol
If you watch the post game interview it’s quite obvious that Niemann didn’t cheat. Carlsen is simply too arrogant to admit defeat.
Niemann cheated in many other events and lied about it
after thorough investigation cheating was not proven. the only possibility is if hans has a time machine or he really is a great player.
Maybe someone just couldn’t accept losing
Magnus threw his toys out of his pram - case closed.
It’s easy to defame someone that has made a mistake in the past at a young age. Take them to court for liable and make them provide the evidence.
Well, time will tell. If Hanns is so good then surely we should expect him to start shining by beating top players on regular basis....or will we?
Yeah and I think he will tbf he’s improving very fast and working very hard
@@epicchess2021 Idk, once they increased security he sucked it up. Guess time will tell indeed. He conveniently blames the stress and pressure, lmfao, sure kid.
My word. You actually do believe him.