Incredible solid state dehumidifier. No moving parts.

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2018
  • This is a very intriguing device that uses a low current at low voltage to transfer moisture from inside an enclosure to the outside. Effectively a solid state dehumidifier with no moving parts.
    The version I put in the box is a PD2 and is rated to remove up to 84mg of water a day, so really intended for small enclosures.
    The large square unit can handle up to 2.9g of water a day.
    Note that these units are intended for use with sealed electrical enclosures and not for house dehumidification.
    When I mentioned a ceramic capacitor in the power supply I actually meant the ceramic HRC style fuse which is a good design choice.
    The test results in the small test enclosure were:-
    9.30pm 67% peaking at about 200mA then settling at 86mA.
    10.00pm 58% 25mA
    10.30pm 49% 24mA
    11.00pm 44% 23mA
    12.20am 41% 21mA
    1am 37% 21mA
    3am 33% 20mA
    Running the unit for about 12 hours the following day bottomed out at 22% at 17mA.
    The modules I showed here were generously contributed by Westside International when I enquired about getting a sample to make a video about:-
    westside-int.com/rosahl/
    And are made by Rosahl:-
    www.micro-dehumidifier.com/
    If you enjoy these videos you can help support the channel with a dollar for coffee, cookies and random gadgets for disassembly at:-
    www.bigclive.com/coffee.htm
    This also keeps the channel independent of TH-cam's advertising algorithms allowing it to be a bit more dangerous and naughty.
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  • @theCodyReeder
    @theCodyReeder 5 ปีที่แล้ว +860

    I need to stop watching your videos for a while; I keep buying things.

    • @hjdorn
      @hjdorn 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      You say this like it was a bad thing :)

    • @JustSomeVideos0
      @JustSomeVideos0 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Dehumidifer for the tunnel?

    • @akai454
      @akai454 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Heey It's Cody , Heey Cody , interesting how We're all subbed to the same cool science people . . Have You ever heard of "MR.TESLONIAN" You recently did a video distilling hydrocarbons and this guy MrTeslonian made a video about distilling hydrocarbons and biocrude and he uses some cataysts to turn hydrocarbons into gasoline , I was wondering if You would make his device with the catalysts and show Us how to make the Catalysts ? His video is named "wood stove runs a generator, produces gasoline, runs a fridge and heats hot water at the same time" . The first 18 minutes is on his stove design Then the rest is about the distillery and catalysts . Could You make a video to show Us how to make the catalysts to make gasoline from wood gas ? Thanks Cody , Stay Safe Man :)

    • @DougPaulley
      @DougPaulley 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I WANNA SEE YOU IN THE BATH

    • @chrisbleurgh7425
      @chrisbleurgh7425 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Just like when I start watching Cody's videos and start looking up electric furnaces or pestering my boss for employee discounts for various chemicals.

  • @BaronVonBiffo
    @BaronVonBiffo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    "I don't want to damage it"
    Words I never thought I'd hear on a Big Clive video.

  • @piperfox74
    @piperfox74 5 ปีที่แล้ว +251

    Thanks to Rosahl for being good sports and providing these for a video. And, as always thanks to Clive for sharing his knowledge!

    • @kareno8634
      @kareno8634 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      TOUCHE'!

    • @sanches2
      @sanches2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      They were provided by Westide international ( a dealer of Rosahl) at least the description says so. But anyway it is really cool that they gave him this interesting device to show and play with:)

  • @Pants4096
    @Pants4096 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I missed this 5 years ago, so thank you for mentioning it today! This seems like MAGIC! I wonder how they hold up in dirty/dusty environments over time.

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I'll guess they need a fairly clean and oil free environment.

  • @DaveCurran
    @DaveCurran 5 ปีที่แล้ว +338

    You should take one of those, glue it to the top of a water bottle, power it by a solar panel then crowd fund it as a self filling water bottle........

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +244

      It would work as well. Basically a corpse lying in the sunshine next to a bottle that had accumulated quarter of an inch of water since its owner died of dehydration a week earlier.

    • @andykbright
      @andykbright 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Google Fontus....

    • @Milamberinx
      @Milamberinx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Haha, I like the videos that explain why those systems don't work. "Dry places are dry", "places without water, don't have a lot of water". Very amusing.

    • @JimFortune
      @JimFortune 5 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Dave Curran
      Wouldn't you end up with a bottle full of hydrogen?
      I know! Run the hydrogen into a fuel cell to power the system! Perpetual motion with no moving parts! lol

    • @ChurchOfTheHolyMho
      @ChurchOfTheHolyMho 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Jim - I think that is similar to what the "Helios" UAV was considering, as mentioned by someone in another comment.
      On the other hand, you may have the workings for a self-filling dirigible. :P

  • @NinoJoel
    @NinoJoel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    They where so proud of your Video they still link it till this day on their front page

  • @ghlscitel6714
    @ghlscitel6714 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    As far as I remember, the electroosmosis effect relies on the spontaneous dissociation of H2O into OH- and H+ , a genuine property of very pure water. The Hydroniumion (H+ plus a bulk of H2O molecules around it) then is pulled to one side of the half transparent membrane by applying a voltage gradient over the membrane, which has the consequence that there will arise a pressure gradient over the membrane which favours an increase of water molecules density at the side of the Cathode. The OH- is almost immobile (why so, I cannot tell yet - maybe because of the 16 times higher mass than H+). This effect only works with very pure water. Salt like NaCl will build a shunt and poison the membrane which stops the hydroniumtransport. Thats probably why you should not touch the membrane. Fingerdirt is quite salty. And of course, highly mobile oil nebula will also poison the membrane and interrupt the pumping properties, because where there is oil there cannot be water.
    As a helf permeable membrane filter paper or equivalent might work as long as it electrically neutral. I know that sintered glas fritters work well to show this effect.
    The textured surface on the outside of the element looks for me like metallised cloth which often is used for anti-EMI wall paper. www.amazon.de/YSHIELD%C2%AE-Abschirmvlies-HNV80-Breite-Laufmeter/dp/B00FO7ZJLY
    Great find man!

  • @zh84
    @zh84 5 ปีที่แล้ว +167

    9:00 "They didn't say that I COULDN'T take it apart..." When I was a wee boy I used to get into trouble with my mother over this logic. Responding "You never told me not to!" didn't really impress her.

    • @jjdynomite5757
      @jjdynomite5757 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      My parents used to keep the toolbox out of my reach... then I learned that knives and other objects could act as screwdrivers...

    • @PinBallReviewerRepairs
      @PinBallReviewerRepairs 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Haha I got into trouble taking things apart as well and not know how to put them back. xD
      As an adult I do the same and eventually find where something went.. xD
      I like taking pictures just for the reasons of where did that wire go or that component go on the board? xD

    • @jjdynomite5757
      @jjdynomite5757 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The only thing I was afraid to put under the knife was a TV set... The fear of lethal high voltages was very real to me ;) Eventually I braved the territory and luckily survived it! It's all pretty safe until you remove that capped wire on the side of the CRT! Unfortunately I learned the hard way that the CRT itself acts as a very powerful capacitor!

    • @dtec30
      @dtec30 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      i was 3 and with a tyre spanner in hand trying to take lug nuts off of the car and mum had a fit at dad needless to say i wasn't taught much from then on

    • @leeh45ks
      @leeh45ks 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      My mother said the day i learned to put things back together was a happy one for her.

  • @LunarHermit
    @LunarHermit 5 ปีที่แล้ว +108

    Fascinating! I had no idea such a thing existed. These things seem like they'd be quite useful in the outdoor equipment boxes at work considering they usually contain somewhat pricey ethernet routers and power supplies.

    • @TheUniversalid
      @TheUniversalid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The peltier module is often used in outdoor boxes and in machines with high temperature

  • @DrGreenGiant
    @DrGreenGiant 5 ปีที่แล้ว +343

    That's a PEM fuel cell in reverse acting as an electrolyzer. It's not going to last long if it is starved of water, which in this case it will be. Needs to be completely wet and would still not last long.
    My whole PhD was on fuel cells. The fibers are the gas diffusion layer, possibly carbon doped with platinum.

    • @DrGreenGiant
      @DrGreenGiant 5 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      Should add, means the dry side will be giving off hydrogen and the wet side oxygen. Won't likely give off ozone.

    • @DrGreenGiant
      @DrGreenGiant 5 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      Should've watched the whole video before commenting... The low voltage is to reduce degradation of the membrane and pinholes forming which effectively short it out. But yeah look up PEMFCs as an electrolyser, sometimes called "reversible"

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      I did come across the PEM fuel cell membranes while researching this device. I wondered if they could be used for the same purpose.

    • @DrGreenGiant
      @DrGreenGiant 5 ปีที่แล้ว +123

      @@bigclivedotcom if you're bored look up the "Helios" UAV. It used a fuel cell to power the motors at night then during the day used solar panels on the wing to power the motors and run the fuel cell in reverse to regenerate the hydrogen ready for the next night. Intimately resulting in an indefinite flight time... Until a motor failed and it crashed lol.

    • @15743_Hertz
      @15743_Hertz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      If I understand this correctly, the hydrogen is drawn out from the sealed enclosure leaving behind the oxygen. Wouldn't that be a corrosive atmosphere for the electrics inside it?

  • @bvalentino
    @bvalentino 5 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    Great find! This look ideal for storing 3d printing filament, PLA in particular, since is prone to absorbing humidity. Interesting stuff

    • @God-CDXX
      @God-CDXX 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      you beat me to it I was thinking the same thing

    • @spikeydapikey1483
      @spikeydapikey1483 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had the same thoughts !!

    • @janpetersen8441
      @janpetersen8441 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Me too, but they are a bit expensive for that. If you also open and close the container frequently, the drying time may be too long for it to be effective.

    • @EliasRodriguezMartin
      @EliasRodriguezMartin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same tough here. What a pity it doesn't look to be easily available for the general public.

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      For reference, I store my LEDs in a sealed container with a silica gel desiccant pack in it and a humidity meter visible from the outside.

  • @andrewroxby4330
    @andrewroxby4330 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Rosahl for supplying this to BigClive!! What a fascinating piece of equipment Clive!

  • @evanlabrant5448
    @evanlabrant5448 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    These would be fantastic for desiccator boxes in research labs. We constantly have to recharge ours with fresh Drierite, especially those in the refrigerator. Or more realistically, they don’t get recharged and the chemicals are just kept at whatever temp/humidity is in the fridge.

  • @ElementalMaker
    @ElementalMaker 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Man, now I REALLY want one! I bet the large version could really move some moisture.

  • @KallePihlajasaari
    @KallePihlajasaari ปีที่แล้ว

    Dear Big Clive,
    Here is an idea. Take a box. Place the big water destroyer inside, both sides of it. Place a small cap full of water in the bottom, 20-50ml. Close the box. Don't forget to include a high voltage igniter and make a spark in the box after the water has all be electrolysed. This is a great way to turn a old 210 litre drum into a thing of awe.

  • @simonstergaard
    @simonstergaard 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    According to the electrode reactions on the paper you showed, it does indeed make oxygen in the box.
    So it is making electrolysis on the water, and splitting it. Nice piece !

  • @JimFortune
    @JimFortune 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    8:50 "I can resist anything, save temptation." Oscar Wilde

  • @Lenny-kt2th
    @Lenny-kt2th 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    In the beginning, the humidity drop would probably have (almost) fully been caused by the rising temperature. Later, the lowering humidity would actually have been even lower because of the now lower temp. Temp has a big influence on relative humidity, so it would be interesting to see the same test under static temperature conditions.

  • @chriholt
    @chriholt 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating video - I had never heard of such a device or dehumidifying technique. Awesome of Westside to provide you with the samples!

  • @TheDarkTiamat2011
    @TheDarkTiamat2011 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i love how you explain in such detail =) also your voice is really calming to my ears. i love watching your videos clive!

  • @makeracistsafraidagain
    @makeracistsafraidagain 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Your extreme close ups are excellent on my 6S+.
    This new technology is SO interesting.

  • @mavos1211
    @mavos1211 5 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Just got into bed and get a notification from bigClive I love going to bed with Clive! 😂

    • @SproutyPottedPlant
      @SproutyPottedPlant 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You could have saved battery, turned off notifications and just opened the TH-cam app and gone to the Subscriptions tab!!

    • @PaulFeakins
      @PaulFeakins 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Admit it, you wanted the bath video.

    • @mavos1211
      @mavos1211 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Paul Feakins only to see if his goatie is as long as his scrotie 😂😂

    • @paulfeakins4026
      @paulfeakins4026 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      mavos1211 hahahaha indeed!

    • @jellybean2032
      @jellybean2032 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lol, yes he does have a very relaxing voice

  • @shaunewing8973
    @shaunewing8973 ปีที่แล้ว

    you are an amazing engineer. I've got a long way to go lol. I'm getting so much better at repairing switching supplies now due to all the vids of yours that involve "boot strap circuits" and so on. when i do repairs, your in the background with a drink helping me out, I'm so appreciative of your channel. very inspiring ... keep up the great work , and cheers

  • @kevinbyrne4538
    @kevinbyrne4538 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for posting this video. Before I watched this video, I'd never even heard of electro-osmotic flow.

  • @krnlg
    @krnlg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    When I saw the title I thought "yeah right, it's probably some kind of semi-quack product". Then started watching and thought "oh ok this looks interesting, but the temperature is rising - wouldn't that also reduce the humidity?".
    Now at the end - when the temperature had dropped and the humidity dropped still further - I gotta say, these things really are incredible!

    • @jort93z
      @jort93z 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      it would, but i don't think it wouldn't be that much of a difference.

  • @SvenSchumacher
    @SvenSchumacher 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You just have to remember that the relative humidity drops even when the temperature rises.
    At the beginning it was 19.7°C and at the end 20.3°C. But still the absolute amount of water in the case has decreased. So the part works, but not quite as the % number suggests.
    The later values confirm this. Because although the temperature sank, the air humidity sank further. But the temperature must also be recorded, so that the statement is really accurate.

    • @AgentPothead
      @AgentPothead ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree that temperature is a big part of relative humidity measurements, but did we watch the same video? In mine the end measurement for temperature was 17.7C.

  • @coltronex
    @coltronex 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    IMHO one of the most interesting productions you have made so far!

  • @oliverer3
    @oliverer3 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the fact that they added this video to their website

  • @PatrickLeeUS
    @PatrickLeeUS 5 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    Nice video Clive, we use 4 of these in our weightronix scale enclosures that we have to keep pressurized with 10 psi of compressed plant air for intrinsic safety (I work in an acetylene plant) to wick passive moisture that the pneumatic dryers miss.

    • @johnfrancisdoe1563
      @johnfrancisdoe1563 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Patrick Lee For that application, does the generation of oxygen and hydrogen interfere with the intrinsic or other safety requirements?

    • @swcshorty
      @swcshorty 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@johnfrancisdoe1563 good Q would like the A

    • @PatrickLeeUS
      @PatrickLeeUS 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Normally it would, however our compressed plant air is 70% nitrogen, 30% filtered air so as not to get excessive temperature swings under heavy compressor loads. So the amount of O2 is very low and quite rapidly displaced by the nitrogen. (Exhaust return line is on the bottom of the case, purging low lying oxygen first.)

    • @JasperJanssen
      @JasperJanssen 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Patrick Lee and the hydrogen On the outside? Well, I guess acetylene plants are full of that anyway, right?

    • @BarryNuttall
      @BarryNuttall 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      JPatrick Lee

  • @ExperimentalFun
    @ExperimentalFun 5 ปีที่แล้ว +181

    Can you try flipping it around to see how much will it increase the humidity inside?

    • @userPrehistoricman
      @userPrehistoricman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I'm not sure it would. You can see the diagram that clive pulled out shows that it moves hydrogen out. I suppose some of that may reform to H2O but I'd expect it to become mostly H2.

    • @generaldisarray
      @generaldisarray 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      You could probably use it to create a highly explosive high hydrogen environment... Like some comic bond villain, just waiting for ages for the hydrogen/oxygen level to be perfect for an explosion

    • @cmotdibbler4454
      @cmotdibbler4454 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      hydrogen for squeeky pop fun!

    • @ToeCutter454
      @ToeCutter454 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      can do the same thing with just a 9 volt battery and 2 wires... dip them into a glass of water and... science... can collect the hydrogen in a test tube to play with or go bigger and basically build yourself an HHO generator, of which there are several youtube video's on. FAR faster than something like this is going to produce! this is intended for removing hydrogen from the air versus producing it by breaking it down from water which is a far slower process than just using water and electricity.

    • @jort93z
      @jort93z 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The diagram he showed has the reactions happening below it. It says 4H+ ions react with 4 electrons and one O2 molecule. So you'd have the same amount of water on the other side, but less oxygen. At least if the formulas shown are correct.

  • @JamesAllmond
    @JamesAllmond 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    They said have fun! If they have ever seen a single one of your videos, they know it was gonna come apart! Looks like a very useful product.

  • @leukostad1592
    @leukostad1592 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing this incredible electrical device!
    Could come in handy for keeping my cabinets with audio tapes dry. Reel to reel tapes benefit greatly from dry storage.

  • @plugandplayok7824
    @plugandplayok7824 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Brilliant...Both the solid state dehumidifier and Clives explanation. As in another post below, it also reminded me of the Peltier effect as I was watching. OOOhh... I'm getting some ideas!

    • @Oscar-if6lq
      @Oscar-if6lq 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lots of crappy made-in-china dehumidifiers use the peltier panels, most 'mini dehumidifiers' you will find on Amazon will use the Peltier effect. This is because compressors are expensive whereas peltier panels are cheap.
      The trouble is that peltier panels only remove a considerable amount of moisture from the air when ambient temperatures are high. Most of these listings advertise the daily water removal rate at 30C and 80% humidity, conditions we don't really get in the UK. I've previously owned one, but returned it when it removed just 40ml of water after 24 hours of use in a humid room.
      The only good dehumidifiers for reducing the humidity of a room in your home is one that uses a compressor.

  • @suzesiviter6083
    @suzesiviter6083 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Interesting, never heard of these, thanks Clive.
    Imagine hundreds of these inverted on a barrel converting air to hydrogen), this could be a game changer as the tech gets more mature.

  • @matsuz100
    @matsuz100 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bib Clive you are a fountain of knowledge, thank you.

  • @gmeast
    @gmeast 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    your videos have become a mainstay for me!

  • @Drakey_Fenix
    @Drakey_Fenix 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    These are almost like peltier plates but for humidity/liquid.

  • @daveayerstdavies
    @daveayerstdavies 5 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I wonder if (after the device has been operating for a while) the oxygen rich environment on the interior of the cabinet is going to promote oxidation of metal parts.

    • @Jeff121456
      @Jeff121456 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Oxidation is exactly what they are trying to prevent. I believe O2 is a double bond making it more difficult to oxidise anything.

    • @mahlapropyzm9180
      @mahlapropyzm9180 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Technically it is single bonded with two unpaired electrons (triplet) but a double bonded version can be created under special conditions which has alarmingly different chemical behaviour (singlet).
      I doubt if the oxygen concentration would rise significantly given the relatively small quantities of water vapour and the fact that it already comprises 20% of the atmosphere. The worst hazard would be that a smouldering object might burst into flame a little sooner.

    • @TheHouseBlog
      @TheHouseBlog 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      The manufacturer's site says the device might increase oxygen by 1% and the hydrogen exiting the unit recombines with available oxygen to form water vapor.

    • @drutfurgeson
      @drutfurgeson 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@TheHouseBlog im glad its not a high O2 concentration. I wouldnt want an Apollo 1 style disaster.

    • @maria50337
      @maria50337 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Jeffery. What we call 'fire' is a fuel reacting with O2. It is highly reactive, from rust to bonfires to fats going rancid.

  • @markfaunce7744
    @markfaunce7744 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    out standing I have a dehumidifier in my camper and it said no moving parts now I understand how it works thank you

  • @dogphlap6749
    @dogphlap6749 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All new to me. Thank you Clive.

  • @fn0rd99
    @fn0rd99 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    More friggin alien tech being injected nonchalantly into the innovation stream, just like those radar modules.

  • @movax20h
    @movax20h 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is a great device. Would be really useful for keeping 3d printing filaments dry in a box for example in storage. Sure you need power, but it is easier and probably botter to keep for long time than silica gel thingy.

    • @zachburke8906
      @zachburke8906 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      movax20h good idea, if the box is small and sealed well the smaller models I would think should work fine.

  • @robertsmiczsmiczamplificat593
    @robertsmiczsmiczamplificat593 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome BC. They sound like a pretty good company, especially at customer service/support. It’s a very cool technology. I need to look at it closer. Thank you as usual my friend. I love your videos. I look forward to every one of them. 👍

  • @chrisharper2658
    @chrisharper2658 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    At first I was skeptical because the temperature was rising and that in it self will cause the RH to drop but after the extended run time where the temperature dropped back to or below the starting temperature, that removes that obvious variable. So, very cool. Thanks for demonstrating it.

  • @pyromen321
    @pyromen321 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I wonder how long until some art student tries to make a self-filling water bottle out of that awesome device.
    Also, it's a pity you lost the footage of your bath. Next video?

  • @mikeselectricstuff
    @mikeselectricstuff 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    I wonder if the mesh stuff is simply to provide a large surface area to help moisture evaporate

    • @ElectricityTaster
      @ElectricityTaster 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      looked like felt to me.

    • @johncspine2787
      @johncspine2787 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Molecules aren’t passing through whole..they are being split..

  • @OneBiOzZ
    @OneBiOzZ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    here i was expecting you to make a video about a cheap peltier dehumidifier and i was pleasantly impressed

  • @XenonG
    @XenonG 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great. Needed something like this for a humid room in the house.

  • @AmericanLocomotive1
    @AmericanLocomotive1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I suspect these are actually specialized fuel cells operating in reverse. I wonder if exposing one side to a very high humidity (say 95-99%) will cause an electric potential to form across the connection leads?

    • @johnfrancisdoe1563
      @johnfrancisdoe1563 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      American Locomotive Water is the lower energy level molecule. More likely success is putting lots of hydrogen on one side, then getting electricity from the terminal and water on the other side.

  • @gingerelvis
    @gingerelvis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    These look like they would be great for storing photographic equipment in damp / humid environments. I have lost a few vintage lenses to the dreaded fungus!

    • @alanmumford8806
      @alanmumford8806 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Silica gel packs are probably cheaper, 'rechargeable' and need no power supply.

  • @KericthePally
    @KericthePally 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im actually finishing the writeup for my weather station project for Uni and this would be a great thing to reference as obviously the contents don't need to be in contact with water. Thanks for the video, definitely going to mention this technology

  • @vicpimm784
    @vicpimm784 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We had some products that needed to be kept very dry and unopened for many years. But they still got corroded. Despite extensive and expensive research some bright spark came up with the idea of sealing them up in the furnace area with very dry air. Worked a treat.

  • @supergeodotca
    @supergeodotca 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Good for making a 3d printing filament spool dehumidifier

    • @koz
      @koz 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly what I was thinking. :)

    • @ytfpv2627
      @ytfpv2627 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I was thinking about that too! Would be great to store the spools, but I do not think it would dry spools that are already wet.

    • @JamesMossR33
      @JamesMossR33 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought the same, and I wonder if a small solar panel and some voltage controlling circuitry could run it. Julian Ilet would probably be all over that.

    • @thomasholst998
      @thomasholst998 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      was thinking the same thing.

    • @ManIkWeet
      @ManIkWeet 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      was thinking the same thing, a wee bit expensive though at 66GPB

  • @JoelvdLoo
    @JoelvdLoo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Why has the 3D printing community not pickup on these yet hmmmm :)

  • @thesunexpress
    @thesunexpress 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very very good move on the part of Rosahl & your shameless plug, to provide you with these examples. Been looking for something of this sort for ages. Internet shopping spree here we come!!

  • @Term-0
    @Term-0 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It is kind of interesting how much it behaves like an led. It is also pretty interesting how it pulls the hydrogen atoms off the water, which is then transported to the other side where it combines with an O2 molecule to form another H2O. It reminds me of the electron transport chain (present in several cellular metabolic processes).

  • @stuartmcconnachie
    @stuartmcconnachie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Whatever you do, don’t tell FONTUS....

    • @clemenswalter1984
      @clemenswalter1984 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I just thought about when I finished the video, just to scroll down and see this comment

    • @amojak
      @amojak 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      they have gone bust already :)

    • @stuartmcconnachie
      @stuartmcconnachie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      amojak I know, but a good scam never dies. Unfortunately.

    • @wolvenar
      @wolvenar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Does exactly the opposite of what they need. This breaks down the molecular bond and separates the oxy and hydrogen atoms. Wouldn't be very much good for condensing water.

    • @ElectricityTaster
      @ElectricityTaster 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You would need two of these, one to concentrate oxygen and another to concentrate hydrogen. You then mix the two and get maybe 1ml of pure water per day, which is fucking stupid.

  • @wimwiddershins
    @wimwiddershins 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Is external humidity a factor in how low it can drive internal humidity?

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The difference between internal and external may have an effect on efficiency.

    • @JimFortune
      @JimFortune 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If it was trying to pump water through reverse osmosis you would think so, but it's pumping hydrogen. Wouldn't hydrogen concentration be the limiting factor?

    • @mahlapropyzm9180
      @mahlapropyzm9180 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      AIUI, the hydrogen is reoxidised at the outer electrode back to water. I expect there is a rate limiting level of hydrogen ions that can reside in the middle.

  • @233kosta
    @233kosta 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well that's just given me some ideas... Thanks for the upload!

  • @LuisLarreaJr
    @LuisLarreaJr ปีที่แล้ว

    I learned about this from my dad. He says a neighbor invested in this because he was get so much moisture he had to replace his floors every few years. After adding this kind of device, his moisture problem evaporated (or had it's H2 ripped out). :P

  • @JeffreyGroves
    @JeffreyGroves 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    How much of the humidity drop is attributed to the rise in temperature inside of the box? Rising temps will decrease humidity as well.

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I wondered about that, but the dissipation of the device is equivalent to an indicator LED so it definitely wouldn't account for a drop to 33% humidity. The humidity meter does have a temperature display on it too.

    • @evilutionltd
      @evilutionltd 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The temperate may rise at first due to the higher power use but at the end of the test, the mAh is lower and the temp is lower too.

    • @JeffreyGroves
      @JeffreyGroves 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      As you showed the results at the end, I did notice the dramatic drop in humidity with really no temperature change. So the device works REALLY well!

    • @roderickwhitehead
      @roderickwhitehead 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was wondering the same thing. Shoulda scanned comments first.

    • @alfoncejean8826
      @alfoncejean8826 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JeffreyGroves the efficiency is probably shit thought, even compared to traditional deumidifier (but that should not be a problem)

  • @haroldsmith45302
    @haroldsmith45302 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Very interesting product and video.
    So, if applying 3VDC to the terminals causes ions to move through the matrix to the humid side, resulting in a humidity gradient across the membrane, perhaps the inverse is also true.
    Hypothesis: removing the external voltage supply and imposing a humidity gradient in the correct direction across the membrane will cause the same type of ions to move through the matrix to the dry side (in an attempt to reduce the osmotic pressure across the membrane) and until the humidity gradient reaches zero, the ion flow will generate a voltage at the terminals that can be measured with a meter of suitable sensitivity.
    Is that a hypothesis that you could attempt to test for us?

    • @gelu88
      @gelu88 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This thing is basically a hydrogen fuel cell running backwards, so yeah.

    • @maglight117
      @maglight117 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Oh that gives me a great idea for a humidor. If it doesn't work on the inverse, I could just have two ports, with one pointing out and one pointing in, and have an mcu switch power to both depending on the humidity.

    • @dariankearns2333
      @dariankearns2333 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Drive it with an H-bridge and have just one device do double duty.

  • @georgestewart5879
    @georgestewart5879 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video , you always seem to find such interesting stuff. Even the stuff from the cheaper end you make interesting.

  • @kenw.1112
    @kenw.1112 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Big Clive for great videos!!!

  • @williamthomasmi10
    @williamthomasmi10 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Your audio is coming out balanced funny ever since the last video. I think you must have a stereo microphone on the camera. I wonder if you could set it to mono? No need for stereo with just a voice over really

    • @rbhattastube
      @rbhattastube 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for noting that.. I was wondering about the same.. I love to hear clear Clive voice and the new microphone based recordings are very unbalanced between L & R and it keeps changing as Clive Mitchell moves around and he does that a lot even though he usually sits down for presenting his videos.

    • @felixokeefe
      @felixokeefe 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is that it? I was beginning to think my headphones had a fault.

    • @DooMMasteR
      @DooMMasteR 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      he tried a remote mic in the past, if he still has the RØDE or what it was, he could place it about 1m infront of the camera, where it would give us the sound of being in the romm with him…observing his actions

    • @felixokeefe
      @felixokeefe 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just watching some other video's. It seems I have a problem here. Probably windows 10 and my Soundblaster Z disagreeing again :(

    • @backfromcuba
      @backfromcuba 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sound is not good at all and I'm on a mono tablet!

  • @BrokebackBob
    @BrokebackBob 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Did you break it Clive?

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No. I reassembled it and it worked fine.

    • @BrokebackBob
      @BrokebackBob 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@bigclivedotcom Whew! That's good. Seems delicate but pretty amazing.

    • @robinturner2300
      @robinturner2300 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      He tried very hard... So he could have his bottom smacked...

  • @BRUXXUS
    @BRUXXUS 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    FASCINATING! This is super cool!

  • @jtb2586
    @jtb2586 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    18:05 That's why we are here, hoping to find a glimpse of Clive taking a bath.

  • @akai454
    @akai454 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm buying these for water collection experimentation . 3V , I can use a lithium cell and probably solar light , WHO'S THE FIRST TO MAKE A SELF FILLING SOLAR WATER BOTTLE ?!?!?!?!?!???!!??!

    • @akai454
      @akai454 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe a water collector for Your car ?

    • @akai454
      @akai454 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bicycle ?

    • @leocurious9919
      @leocurious9919 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cant work as it needs oxygen on the "wet" side. So once that is used up in the bottle... no more water.

    • @among-us-99999
      @among-us-99999 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But it chemically destroys the water?

    • @akai454
      @akai454 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting , Thank You very much .

  • @rick_.
    @rick_. 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Well I for one am disappointed! Generating hydrogen and there's no KA-BOOM! Where is the KA-BOOM?!?

    • @timothybarney7257
      @timothybarney7257 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I was expecting an Earth-shattering KA-BOOM! --Marvin (the Martian)

    • @TheAmpair
      @TheAmpair 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm sure that research is underway, with or without the pie dish.

    • @HiddenWindshield
      @HiddenWindshield 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      No boom *today.* Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow.

    • @Leroys_Stuff
      @Leroys_Stuff 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Earth shattering KA-BOOM

  • @andrewedis9907
    @andrewedis9907 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've never heard of this before, thanks for the video.

  • @stormagheddondarklordofall7171
    @stormagheddondarklordofall7171 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok, Those are really cool and I could see a ton of applications for such a product.

  • @proluxelectronics7419
    @proluxelectronics7419 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fontus "self-filling water bottle" could have worked...Too late now.

  • @korishan
    @korishan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    LOL 67% Humidity is "relatively high". 😆😂😆 I think Clive needs to come to Florida, USA and do this test. We normally have humidity in excess of 80% 😉

    • @TheRevWillNotBeTelevised
      @TheRevWillNotBeTelevised 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Not indoors. Most houses in Florida have air conditioning which dehumidifies the air. Also average humidity in the UK is similar if not higher than Florida.

    • @nicolaslosito5735
      @nicolaslosito5735 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Korishan what part of FL if you don’t mind me asking?

    • @turbopower130
      @turbopower130 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Basically most of the east coast, here in virginia it's always 85%RH or higher

    • @anonone2175
      @anonone2175 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      turbopower130
      No doubt humid and hot, much of UK is very often wet and cold, known in Scotland as 'dreich'!

    • @Jimmy4949
      @Jimmy4949 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm on the Virginia coast and right now the temp is 79deg and the humidity is 89%. We do have a hurricane knocking at the door, but last week nightime temps were dropping to ~70 and humidity was running 92~93% at night and 80% during the day with a temp in the middle 80's.

  • @mahlapropyzm9180
    @mahlapropyzm9180 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fab video and invention. Glad at last to see electrons being put back where nature intended them to be - whizzing safely around a nucleus.

  • @gowdsake7103
    @gowdsake7103 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Am very very impressed never heard of anything like this

  • @peterpiso7384
    @peterpiso7384 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video like to see new inventions and new technologies And you pulling it apart thanks for the info

  • @kareno8634
    @kareno8634 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    All in all - I hope you had fun! ~ that was cool!

  • @Mikej1592
    @Mikej1592 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    fascinating, love learning about new(to me) technology.

  • @b4by_dr1v3r4
    @b4by_dr1v3r4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is awesome, if I made videos, they'd basically be this with worse audio so I really enjoy the way they're done - I'm glad I found this channel and this video helped me, thanks

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  ปีที่แล้ว

      Never get put off making videos by your own voice. Everyone else just hears a normal voice.

  • @runforitman
    @runforitman 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m going to have to have a look at these guys
    This is very cool

  • @vasilitsigreece2785
    @vasilitsigreece2785 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Clive, never seen this component before. Intriguing! Note that %RH readings are significantly temperature dependent, and the in-box temperature dropped about 4 degrees as the night progressed in this video. This will have had the result that the actual %RH readings were even lower by several percent. As temperature decreases, %RH reading increases, all else remaining equal. Thanks for the video!

  • @NicksStuff
    @NicksStuff 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anti-fogging headlights, what a sweet idea!

  • @partypillz3268
    @partypillz3268 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this channel love learning about electronics an what different components do

  • @robsrides5851
    @robsrides5851 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for sharing! maybe someone will watch and find new applications for this technology.

  • @MatSmithLondon
    @MatSmithLondon 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating video. So many interesting applications I can think of!

  • @planetfox890
    @planetfox890 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It would be neat to see one of these built into a line pressurization system like the ones we use to keep water out of waveguide and coax. Right now we use what's basically a small air compressor with a filter canister filled with silica gel dessicant. It's kind of clunky and you have to keep an eye on the dessicant cartridge and change it every so often, something like this would be much cooler and less of a maintenance hassle.

  • @48snapper
    @48snapper 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes indeed a fascinating bit of kit.
    Thanks also for doing the close up focusing Clive. Since I recently recommended this technique, I'm modestly taking the credit! If only you could also be persuaded to ditch what looks like auto-exposure from 17:07

  • @nzpork1
    @nzpork1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting devices. I learned something to day!

  • @CZbanhof
    @CZbanhof 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's a little fun device! Like an electronic version of those silica gel bags, except it's permanent, as long as you have power ☺️

  • @mrm3150
    @mrm3150 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    fascinating devices , great video

  • @MAMDAVEM
    @MAMDAVEM 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting Clive, I’ve built a cabinet based arduino polytunnel control unit that sits in the polytunnel where the humidity is controlled at 70-80%. I’d always worried about the humidity in the cabinet so fitted a membrane “breather”. This technology sounds like it could be a good solution for me.

  • @blower1
    @blower1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating!

  • @teemumyyrylainen9247
    @teemumyyrylainen9247 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great finally see corporations that are proud of their product ( and one great product that is ) to start supporting you. This video cave me few good ideas all ready ... just need to check where to get these and how pricey they are for given volume needing dehumidified ...

  • @TheOmegaFleet
    @TheOmegaFleet 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really miss that in companies. They just send you stuff because you show your interested in the tech and wanna show it off to friends. Makes me want to go back to HAM radio.

  • @foogod4237
    @foogod4237 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is really cool.. I had never heard of these devices before but they seem like they could be incredibly useful.
    I would bet that the fibrous material over the outside face is just a wicking material, to help draw moisture away from the device on the output (so it doesn't just build up on the outside surface, possibly reducing its efficiency).

  • @Administrator_O-5
    @Administrator_O-5 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What no video of the bath! Well actually that's probably a good thing! 🤣 Yet another awesome video Clive! Thank you as always!

  • @Deneteus
    @Deneteus 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    That outside part is called non-woven geotextile. It allows water to pass through it. It's there to prevent people from disturbing the membrane.

  • @NathanielStauber
    @NathanielStauber 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would LOVE to get my hands on a dozen of those. We are having moisture issues on some shipboard winches, which once were equipped with heaters for moisture control. The heaters are gone, and the drum switches to automatically control tension (fascinating devices in their own right) seem to have no humidity controls at all.

  • @CTCTraining1
    @CTCTraining1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating. Only thing extra I would like to have seen was another identical box sitting alongside without power acting as a control, perhaps protected from your lighting rig.