Fastest car in F1 history? - Mercedes 2020 vs Red Bull 2023 | 3D analysis
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 เม.ย. 2023
- Looking to compare the performance of the two fastest cars in Formula One history, our latest video features a 3D CGI-generated lap time comparison between Max Verstappen's 2023 RB19 and Lewis Hamilton's 2020 W11. Both laps are recorded at the Bahrain Grand Prix, allowing us to find out who has the faster car once we analyze both laps.
Our 3D analysis shows us in detail how these cars perform in different conditions, including acceleration, braking, and cornering. With this information, we aim to answer the question: which car is the fastest in F1 history, the Mercedes W11 from 2020 or the Red Bull RB19 from 2023?
Don't miss out on this exciting video as we explore the nuances of these two incredible machines, breaking down their performance in a way that has never been seen before. Join us as we examine the data to reveal who comes out on top in this ultimate car comparison.
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Lewis ain’t kidding that the RB19 is the fastest car he’s ever seen.
From the outside
For everyone here without Principle and Without the Ability to have Objective Bias!!
Lewis Hamilton says he has never seen a Formula 1 car as fast in comparison to its rivals as this year’s Red Bull!
The Statement From Lewis Hamilton was: “I don’t know it’s not for me to say, but I’ve never seen a car so fast,” Hamilton said. “When we were fast we weren’t that fast. That’s the fastest car I’ve seen compared to the rest - I don’t know why or how but he came past me with serious speed. I didn’t even bother to block because there was a massive speed difference."
@@darwinLee81283 the w11 was seconds faster than any other car on the grid at the time though
@@darwinLee81283 the older Mercs of 2014-2016 were like 2 seconds a lap quicker. So, he's still wrong
@@darwinLee81283 Yeah sorry fam, that math doesn't check out. He's had way bigger gaps in his career than this season's field.
@@reeceroberts574 And so is the Current Redbull. Starts Last Place and Would have won Jeddah if His Teammate didn't have the same Car. The RB Finished 20 Seconds Ahead of the 3rd Place Aston Martin.
Jeddah is the Legitimate Sign of the Cars Speed Because Verstappen Had to Push to get to 2nd Place and Perez Had to Push to keep Verstappen Behind him.
Bro the fact that merc were able to give the w11 so much down force and grip without losing out of straight line speed is insane
Just James Allison things 😅
It was the DAS.
@@officialthetubeofyou wtf das has to do with downforce and straight line speed lmao
@@spyroskardatos3161 ever heard of camber angle? If not, just be quiet then.
@@officialthetubeofyou 🤣
Can only imagine how frustrated Hamilton must be nowadays knowing what he had. Such a brutal difference
All part of the game that is F1. Can’t stay on top forever
Especially if he thought all that difference was all because of him and not all the engineering.
@@darudy21 wins 26 Poles 49 Podiums
2nd Place In WDC Rookie Season with a Returning F1 WDC Teammate . 2008 WDC Winner (Ferrari Won Constructors and had Faster car). All Before Ever Stepping Foot in a Mercedes.
10 out of 17 Season in F1 Hamilton has Placed as Champion or 2nd in the WDC.....
@@darwinLee81283 still, 2007 it was the fast car and he lost. 2016 also the faster car and lost. 2021 same history. Schumacher in the other hand was champion twice in a row with a slower car the the Willians.
Other than that, your fanboyism couldn’t see to understand that F1 is not a real drivers championship, it is first a car/ engineering competition and only then it is a drivers championship. And to mu knowledge there is no shame in being wdc with the faster car, Senna only won when he had it, same goes for the majority of drivers, except fot Fittipaldi, Schumacher as mentioned before.
@@darwinLee81283 there are no opinions. 1994 Benneton had illegal parts and was banned from race. After the changes was very much slower and so did 1995, a season where the Willians was faster but a number of blunders from Damon made him lose. Other than that 2007 McLaren was faster than the Ferrari and thats a fact, just like spygate. 2008? It is o. The news as a rigged WDC as of today, also super times proves that 2021 Mercedes were faster in the majority of the races. So he never won with a slower car and lost three times with it. And no matter how much we argue, the fact is that he had a Mercedes engine in the back of his car all his career, even in his McLaren days. And boy did Mercedes produce great engines and cars, but mostly engines. W11 is probably the greatest car ever and its pairing with Lewis made it legendary just like the mp4/4 Senna and Nigel FW14b. But is simply lack of good cognition to say that the driver is the most important factor, or some dumb shit like this years Red Bull is the fastest car he ever saw, even with the implying context of faster as a comparison that is still bullshit.
That turn 4 difference in racing line 😂
You are right nooby w11 gained 2 sec on going off track. FYI it was legal back then
@@saisameerrao1257 I merely found it funny. Your response speaks much of your character, or at least your current state of mind, and not to mention, a tendency to assume.
@@saisameerrao1257about 2 tenth not 2 seconds plus the w11 was already gaining time the whole lap so I wouldn't really make a difference
@@ebob4177 same thing can be said about your judgmental ass comment
@@saisameerrao1257 it was legal, until Max use that racing line 😂
I wish Mercedes did what Porsche did with the 919, and removed all limitations of the W11 just for fun.
Just how insanely fast would the W11 be if the fuel flow, Rev, and electric discharge limitations were removed, alongside with a lower ride height and unrestricted usage of DRS.
My personal guess, based on nothing but feeling, is that it would be at the very least 3 seconds of difference in most tracks, and in longer tracks, like Spa, 4-5 seconds.
You forgot DAS.
they most likely arent allowed to is my guess. Which is why you only see show off runs in older spec at for example goodwood. modern F1 cars havent done a time attack for a looooong time
@@tobbsnobb1366 yeah, AFAIK, you can only run cars older than 3 years in promotional events, but since the regs have changed, I'm not sure if this rule applies.
Dude I would lose my shit if I got to hear the W11 rev out to 15k RPM
Nah. What we need is someone fast enough, crazy enough, and some consistent enough to take it to Germany for a certain historic racetrack. Then we can see what the car is really capable of
No doubt W11 is the Greatest car Of All time in Formula 1.
800 million dollar budget xd
@@arden1858 rb had the same budget XD
@@SwaggySimon20 no actually they did not
@@SwaggySimon20 you don’t know f1
Rb built this with a 140mln budget and mercedes had way over 700 annually
The W11 was a downforce monster- Hamilton going flat out at Pouhon still gives me goosebumps. Has to be the greatest F1 car in history!!!
Also though Casanova, Savelli and Arrabbiata 1&2. Chills.
Because of his car?
@@classicmusicforce25he's not even talking about Hamilton...
the fuck is wrong with y'all fanboys
the W09 also went flat out there
@@leonehardt2378 so did Haas iirc but the speed that it went through is very important
Mr. Hamilton said “When we were fast, we weren’t that fast” 😂😂😂
In a straight line*
He was referring to the long straights. You can see the delta slow down towards the end of the straights. But still mercs we’re a tad faster
Man Hamilton had arguably the fastest cars in formula 1 history during his run.
@@oxonomy2372 i guess 2019 ferrari were the fastest in a straight line
@@karthikgururajan1131 Faster in one particular part of the Circuit doesn't mean "The Fastest Car" .
Hamilton and his team are best in framing Propaganda with the help of English Commentators that their competitors always had the fastest Car , despite the fact they posses the Better Package.
I wonder how long if ever, it will take to catch back up to 2020s pace.
In cost cap era is hard more money=faster car
Same... Or 2004's pace (on most of the more traditional tracks)!
these cars are probably too big, probably like 2028 because the 2026 regs should make the cars smaller + active aero and the teams would have had a couple years to fully understand their concepts
holy sh*t that's also when verstappen's last year in his current contract 💀
@@neosonixyz doesnt verstappen's contract expire at the end of the 2028 season
@@OscarZheng50 yeah, by 'ends' I meant last year but I shall correct
Keep up the good work bro. This is amazing ❤
0:26 that’s some dangerous driving
W11 was a pure work of Art crafted for perfect racing action whether in corners or in the straight line.. that car was truely a Beast 🔥
Different gen and spec. Obviously today’s cars are slower than 2020’s, but still an interesting comparison!
This was a response to HAM and Mercedes saying RB has the fastest car they’ve ever seen and basically claimed they cheated when Mercedes had a way faster car before
@@gabehorn69420For everyone here without Principle and Without the Ability to have Objective Bias!!
Lewis Hamilton says he has never seen a Formula 1 car as fast in comparison to its rivals as this year’s Red Bull!
The Statement From Lewis Hamilton was: “I don’t know it’s not for me to say, but I’ve never seen a car so fast,” Hamilton said. “When we were fast we weren’t that fast. That’s the fastest car I’ve seen compared to the rest - I don’t know why or how but he came past me with serious speed. I didn’t even bother to block because there was a massive speed difference."
Even the 'relative speed' comment is wrong. The race did a comparison and most of the Mercedes dominating years the car was faster relative to the rest of the field than this rb19 is... ham is just a cry baby with a short memory.
@@Futureprooffill There is Video Online showing Verstappen Gaining 2 Second Gap and literally Walking Away From Hamilton after the pass. This is what Hamilton referenced in his quote
@@darwinLee81283 I don't refute this. But Hamilton did the same - if not worse - when Mercedes was dominating. His point of view is skewed.
W11 was nuts
That Red Bull is a missile in a straight line, not losing any time there against the W11
same engines, less downforce
@@OK-fi4yq 'same' engines? What are you smoking. Those engines aren't anythign alike.
@@Firemarioflower both V6 hybrids with marginal gains over the last few years of development as all teams converged towards merc
@Firemarioflower they're exactly the same mate, one's just names Honda and the other Mercedes
@@GameOver-nm2us They’re not the same. All engines have lost power due to the fact they have to run a larger % of e fuel since 2022. Party mode and engine modes have been banned entirely since 2021 too which also makes for less power in quali.
Amazing. Can you do two runs that can show the difference between 1st and 2nd for the two years?
Cool to see, but I'd love to see a relative speed comparison between the RB19 vs the rest of the field & W11 vs the rest of the field. Since the previous era of cars was faster over a single lap and in general I believe, but these cars are better in terms of following & racing.
These cars are better at following themselves, not the 2020 ones, because they are producing far less dirty/turbulent air. If you put a 2023 behind a 2020 it will be a little easier to follow because of ground effect but not by much. In short, the 2022/2023 cars are just easier to follow.
@@sambitovich they are also slower on a lot of tracks at least, highest i've seen was 5 seconds slower but didn't check them all
Well in the 70th Anniversary GP, the tyres were adjusted to be one level softer relative to the British GP due to the tyre problems that occured later that race, and due to that, the W11s struggled with their tyres and Max won...for the RB19, however, no matter what tyres it'll use, it'll still win...
Yup, while Lewis did a 1:27.2 in the W11....Max did a 1:27.6 in the RB16. In other words the RB16 would also comfortably outpace the RB19, but also it wasn't far behind the W11.
Lewis said "when we were fast we weren't that fast" 😂🤣😂
I'm losing brain cells, you just took that comment completely out of context. That was a comment of how fast the RB19 is on the straights with DRS. And Hamilton was absolutely right with that comment
@@Yes-vh7lm Are you aware that from 2014 to 2016 the Mercedes ran their engine at about 80% because they were afraid the FIA would change the regulations to make them slower?
With their tuned down engine they won 51 out of 59 races over those three seasons which is 86.44% and 31 of those were 1-2s which is 52.45% of all races. Let me emphasize that this is achieved with their engine at about 80% and they were still easily the fastest on the straights.
@@suckieduckie Yes, I do know that they turned down their engines. Wolff has admitted that. Would be crazy to see how fast they would be with their engines at 100% in 2016!
@@Yes-vh7lm Then you should understand my logic here. If they were running the engine at 80% and were still the fastest on the straights by quite a margin, imagine a 2014-2016 Mercedes with DRS and partymode enabled overtake a Red Bull with that terrible Renault engine. Surely Lewis knows that.
@@Yes-vh7lm ive saw all ur comments schooling all these Low iq individuals lmao. Keep going
All the speed gain came in the corners, james allison masterpiece
We need more comparison with the W11
To really tell which one was faster, as they are from totally different eras, you would have to do that for all the tracks shared between 2020 and 2023 calendars. That would be really interesting data
Well done for being one of the few people in this thread that contains possess a brain
Hard to do all of 2023 races as of now.
No, what would be more useful is to have the comparison between the fastest car both years (2020 Merc W11, and 2023 RB19) against the second fastest of both years, so we know the difference relative to the competition.
That would be really nice but we both know the W11 would win in all tracks... I don't this is debatable.. would love to also see that too though
Great video!
Very cool rendition, thank you.
@Formula Addict I wonder what software you use to present this? Blender with twin motion? Also where do you get data to know the exact racing line and speed for the drivers, it requires some work to make all these videos to happen so its interesting to see the comparison this way.
In my opinion, it would be better if you included 2nd places(or runner-up who is not a teammate). That way, we could account for other factors as well.
In 2020, Red Bull (well, I mean Max) was within 0.7% of Mercs. This year Ferrari, Mercedes and Aston Martin are all closer than that to Red Bull.
C'est pas la w11 qui est plus rapide c'est juste que c'est Hamilton qui est plus talentueux que Verstappenn
@@djellalix4200 even if that is what we are saying fine. Hamilton has more wins and more championships. But 2 seconds is way too much for simple driver skill difference, the w11 is significantly faster than that of this years redbull.
@@djellalix4200 uh, no. The w11 was just faster. Argue either way Hamilton and verstappen are incredibly talented but in this case the w11 is just the faster car
Max was about 0.4 behind in the RB16 in the same quali session. The 2020 cars overall were faster than the current 2023 cars which isn't surprising.
Nice video thnx
Very nice video again and yes i subscribed 👍😉
It's funny how Lewis said he's not seen a car a dominant as the new RB, but yet he forgets how fast his cars have been in the past
He is getting old 😂
@@SINGH-ing loool
Fast and dominant are different status btw
@@xProReVoLuTiiON Not in F1... Fast = Dominant
@@ruben_m8907unless you are ferrari... then every single F1 thing is a problem.
Speed, Aero, Strategy, Tires, Drivers, Political, even...
Awesome video!
What software do you use for thoses CGI?
Have been asking this guy for ages... No reply whatsoever
@@F1_Fast_Lane kkkkkk thanks what a great cgi, hope someday they reveal their secret
@@F1_Fast_Lane any idea how they get the precise data of the car on the track?
My best guess is that they're F1 insiders, with access to car model data, track data from across the years (you see W11 cutting across the track, it probably means the track was wider there in 2020), and all the car running data. No one else can replicate this channel even if they tried. Obviously these guys can't really speak about their data sources.
@@nagarajansubramani the track is the same, that line was allowed at turn 4
magnific video 😍😍
Really nice.
You can actually see how strong this year's red bull is on the straight. It was ahead of the 2020 Merc before braking.Goes to show that Honda really has something extra in their PUs.
The Mercedes just had more downforce and more hp and the driver here still missed multiple corners. Essentially his laptime at the time should have been scrapped.
It's only partially the Honda engine. The RB is just a very effecient car. It creates a lot of downforce, but very little drag.
@@suckieduckie because the honda engine is smaller in size , something they promised mclaren previously but only have been able to achieve by 2018 with rb
@@ToroyamaBojohonda-ci4ef No, if that were the case the AT would also be very fast in a straight line with the same engine. Turns out it isn't so the topspeed is mainly caused by aero, not by engine power.
no the merc just has way more drag from the insane aero, it's not the powertrain
The downforce on that W11 was something different
Where do you get the data to make such accurate comparisons?
More than 2 seconds 😵💫, W11 definitely greatest f1 in history
The corner speed in the W11 was unreal
Insane corner speeds❤W11 was a master piece
0:23
It's not because of ignoring track limits...
They was permitted to run a certain amount wide there in 2020. They have Driver briefings that discuss track limits before each race that go over track limits and certain aspects of the circuit as to what is allowed and what is not between the FIA race director and stewards, the drivers and team representatives (usually team principal). But it was not allowed in 2021. That's where verstappen fell foul in 2021.
and Hamilton is still playing as the victim...
DTs fan 😂😂
@@mramaz1ngarry728 th-cam.com/video/W8RZqjgu1Zk/w-d-xo.html
It was allowed, but not for overtaking, apparently. So thats where Verstappen took the penalty. I don’t know why it was still allowed for other purposes though.
Damn, the 2020 Mercedes was so fast in the corner.
Lewis Hamilton: “I’ve never seen a faster car than Redbulls in all of my racing career” 😒
rb 16 was faster than rb 19
You just took that comment completely out of context. That was a comment of how fast the RB19 is on the straights with DRS. And Hamilton was absolutely right with that comment
Faster does not mean being more dominant, the W11 was the fastest car in F1 history but compared to its competitors, it is only 7 tenths of a second faster at max in its best races while the Red Bull, despite not having lap times similar to W11 because of the new regulations making the cars slower as a consequence, is very and I mean very dominant as it's over a second faster than anyone for most of this year's F1 season. To note, the W11 was from the year F1 peaked in its speed, 2020, take every car from that year and they'll rival the RB19 in lap times. And again, having a fast car does not mean it is automatically dominant, if that is the case then McLaren should have won the 2010 and 2012 season just because they had the fastest car, for a car to be as dominant as the McLaren MP4/4 driven by Senna and Prost or the RB19, the other competitors must be extremely behind of the development to even attain that level of dominance the latter two cars that I've mentioned enjoyed in their respective F1 championship season. The only year Mercedes was extremely dominant was the last year Nico and Lewis had their championship battle, the year 2016, they could have easily won all of the races had they not taken each other out in several occasions.
I was curious about the difference from the rest of the field. So in 2020 the difference from Ham to Ver (who qualified 3rd) was about .5 second. In 2023 Ver to Lec (who qualified 3rd) was .8 Seconds. The Race result had Ver going quickest and finishing 1.2 seconds behind Ham and in 2023 Ver won by 12 seconds. Doesn't tell the whole story of pace, but interesting to see that the gap between the field seems to be greater with the current RB.
Verstappen drives better that's why
@@amalxavier5102hahahaha funny
weird comparison since it's two different gens. Can't really compare speed, what should be compared is relative speed to the second best car
It's a reference to Lewis comment about RB19, then compares to the best car Lewis ever drove
Interested to see 2004-2006 spec cars vs any post 2014 (any track but not at Monaco).
Didn't expect them to be that close, given this is the first year since 2020, when the cars got faster over the winter. Makes me wonder whether in 2025 we might see a or multiple cars faster then the W11. That of course depends on how high the performance ceiling of these cars is.
I don't think the newer cars will be able to reach that level of speed, the older cars had so much more downforce "which caused dirty air" and the newer ones have to fight around the no dirty air specifications
Didn’t expect it to be that close? It was 2.5 seconds. No car will ever beat the w11
It's pretty widely acknowledged though that we might never see a car as fast as the W11, what with the regulation changes. And if you think that's close you need some glasses lol.
The 2020 W11 and RB19 are both incredibly dominant relative to the competition for the years they are and competed in.
The RB19 is ultimately slower than the W11 because the regulations don't allow the same amount of downforce to be created by these newer cars.
Still, for having to overcome the deficit of these new regulations, comparing the RB19 to the W11 still shows what an impressive feat it has been for RB to
design a car that is pretty darn close to the "fastest car of all time" the W11
"F2020 W11 and RB19 are both incredibly dominant relative to the competition " no, R|B16 was a rcoket ship & was extremely fast.
Pretty close? That gap is a century i F1 terms!!!
Imagine in 2021 if the rules was kept the same as 2020 the W12 would’ve been untouchable
wouldn't call 2.444 seconds difference "close" lil bro
It's not pretty close also there's no point comparing cars across regulations
Hi, can u share some insights on how u achieved these amazing comparison video
This type of video would look really cool on a track like Spa, Silverstone or Suzuka.
Only problem is that in 2023 Bahrain is the first round, and in 2020 Bahrain was the 3rd to last race of the season, which means that in this instance the W11 had way more upgrades compared to the RB19
The upgrades in a year wont give you 2.4 seconds difference, ask Mercedes W14 who keeps upgrading and keeps being crap
And lewis was the one saying red bull is having dominant season
This is super useful. We've gone backwards
Insane. Could you compare the Rb19 vs the Rb 16? the same year of the W11 ,,, Rb you know ?
I would be intrested, what major changed in this years in RB analysis.
This is not what he meant but he was still wrong. He meant fastest relative to the field but the 2014 Mercedes or 2004 Ferrari were probably equally as dominant if not more.
"thats the fastest car I have ever seen" -Lewis Hamilton talking about RB23
definitely some driver skill involved there 😏
I miss the old-gen cars sm and this is why... imagine the fight we would've had between rb and merc In 2022
The W11 was the most perfect car that ever existed in F1
RB19 is better, there is no competition
@@byyfrost Impossible
Great video.
At some point, F1 has to accept cars going faster than ever before. One of the reasons I tuned out ~2007 after 9 years of being a F1 fan was the cars kept getting slower on most circuits. 2 years ago I rediscovered F1/came back but most race lap records are still from 2003-2005, with a good bit of ~2013 Red Bull sprinkled in.
The high cornering speed tracks now have a decent # of ~2020 lap records which was great, but if they make the cars slower than they are now with these 2022 regs it's just not as compelling. I want to see peak racing machinery, tech, and skill TODAY! Not artificially limiting them with 50% heavier cars and speed-restrictive regs!
A few seconds off is fine, and of course refueling gave more opportunities for race lap records, but with the safest cars ever I really hope that over the next few years some circuits have new records set.
Keep in mind that this is not just to test the engineers' limits, but it's also a racing series. The newer cars might be slower, but they produce better racing. Would you rather have a boring dominant season with insane fast cars or an exciting insane season with also insane fast cars but slightly slower?
@@GameOver-nm2us I agree with you; it is absolutely IS first and foremost a racing series. The engineering is in support of the racing and F1's melding of racing with technology, engineering, and strategy is what attracts me. That's why I said a few seconds off is fine and inconsequential.
My point is that the cars relative to the past ought to start getting faster on average and not just at the tracks where a modern car's vastly superior downforce and huge slicks give them a massive advantage. I'm not naive that we're getting back to the narrow-track
@Clint Laird I agree, FIA made rules that would balance the teams in a few years but completely ruined everything when they raised the height back up, had they not done that I bet the racing would've been even closer now, tbh I reckon something like the V8 era from 2009-2013 would bring the cars together, as there were only 2 dominant seasons from 5 in that era, in the hybrid era, from '14-'16 was completely dominated by Mercedes, already 3 seasons, then '17 and '18 Ferrari and Redbull were in the mix, but still mercedes dominated those, '19 and '20 not even a competition Mercedes were miles ahead, '21 only non dominant season by one team, '22 literally broke records, and '23 so far dominant by redbull as all races are won by them, so that's 8 seasons so far dominant by one team from 9, insanely ridiculously stupidly boring era
@@GameOver-nm2us absolutely. The goal of providing a reset of the playing field, restricting aero surfaces for dirty air/outwash, and vastly simplifying suspensions and whatnot was to enable sustained, close racing. That should have been the end of it - save for dealing with cheeky workarounds like Aston's armchair rear wing last year.
Instead, they overestimated their own understanding and ability to manipulate the rules - probably thinking they were going to avoid Mercedes turbo-hybrid era repeat. Instead they've entrenched (hopefully not for too long) the advantage of Red Bull and limited avenues other teams can take to mitigate their lead. Really the entire V8 era, save for maybe 06 which had lots of carryover, gave us good competition. Why can't we have something like that but with cars that can follow better per the original rules from last year. I think it's fundamentally leaning towards ever-more technical regulations instead of giving the teams room to innovate within the framework of the inherently more race-able ground effect cars.
It was probably too ambitious to put such draconian limits on the suspension design for cost-control purposes... That's forgivable though and in theory could be relaxed slowly over time.
At this point though I think any further rule changes will benefit the incumbent short/medium term, just like they usually do. The number of allowable "right" design answers to win races in 2023 has been reduced so much that the chances of anybody leaping ahead of Red Bull seems unlikely. And in the meantime, they have literally accomplished what they set out to avoid by sentencing lower tier teams to stumble along.
I get their initial (albeit flawed) reasoning for 2022, but I'm worried FiA and F1 will keep unintentionally holding necessary innovation by other teams back to "fix" the dominance, when the best thing they could do is just let the competitors compete.
agreed. now we have slower, worse handling cars, that also look much, much, worse. and to add insult to injury, we still have the same kind of complete domination. If anything, races have become even more predictable and boring.
there really isn't that big of a difference in the amount of wheel to wheel racing, and that racing is still almost completely reliant on DRS.
hi, which 3d program did you use for this analysis?
And realize IT IS NOT ONLY ABOUT THE CAR !!!
- This reveals clearly the difference between the two drivers involved and mentioned !
(An indisputable fact that probably not was FIA's intention when publishing this video.)
I am new to F1 and I don' get how Mercedes's 2020's car is much faster than the current 2023 car. Shouldn't there be some sort of improvement over the past 3 years for Mercedes? Or were there changes in regulations regarding the cars and Mercedes can not adapt to those new regulations for this season?
Different formula eg ruleset.
Rules changed after 2022. And the new ones are slower then before. 2014 rules was similar to this.
They changed the Formula in 2022. 2017-2021 had similar regs but '21 adjustments reduced speed a bit, 2014-2016 was another era before they got wider and generally faster, but 2009-2013 was fastest until a few years ago, same pattern ~2005-2008, but all around fastest on average (if I'm correct) was 2002-2005.
Certain tracks favor certain regs though so none of that is a 100% true, but ~2020 could compete with and usually beat ~2013. 2004 vs. 2020 depends entirely on the track some places 2020 much faster others 2004-ish was a bit faster.
Hope that helps
Major regulation change 2022
different regulations, these 2022 cars have a completely different design philosophy with the reintroduction of ground effect, they are also heavier
Mercedes in 2020 also had the DAS
Sir Lewis was saying that the speed difference compared to the other cars on track this year was insane, which it is. A better video would have been comparing the Merc with the next fastest car from that year vs the RB from this year vs the next fastest car also from this year.
Yeah doing that would easily show to everyone how much more dominant the Merc was over the rest. The RedBull isn't. Probably better to compare Bottas and Perez in each timeframe, because I think they are quite similar on pace... with Bottas taking a lot of poles from Hamilton while Perez if at all can only do that on street tracks... Also the RedBull doesn't gain so much pace from Quali to pace for example, unlike the Mercs... or opposite direction Ferrari, who are always faster in Quali than in the race.
I’m curious to see the RB 2020 car vs the 2023 one
Dammmmnnnn that was the biggest gap i've seen so far!!! 😳
Silverstone and Hungary, 2020 vs 2023 should be interesting.
I still think the difference will be greater than 2.5 seconds.
no it could be less. as this was a brand new car in the first race vs a highly developed car at the end of the season as bahrain was later in the season in 2020
Crazy to think that the RB16 beat the W11 in one of those races. Well, Max did. The W11 was waaay superior.
@@blazingyodler yea and the British go is roughly around the same time so maybe the car will have a couple of upgrades by then and it would be roughly just as developed as the w11 around that time in 2020 and we’ll see a closer comparison
@@matfoster5938 It's crazy to think that red bull only arrived at the end and mercedes didn't do any updates on w11 and still, w11 was better
can somebody show lewis this vid, take a look at the gap, and point out where he went off like 200 times?
How are these 3d videos made?
What software?
Tell PC specs.
These new cars are only 1 years old. On the other hand when we shifted to hybrid era. The Mercedes 2020 car had become and absolute beast. Run the same test again when these new cars have evolved like the hybrid ones did.
so we're gonna ignore lewis absolutely decimating the track limits at 0:24
The MAFIA Bahrain Special
that was legal back then and only adds a fraction to that 2.44 second gap
@@brunobegic3841 gave him another win
Thanks for making the pinnacle or racing and technology so much slower with the new regs.. Way to push the boundaries for spectacle over sport. W11 with Lewis was legendary
The budget was legendary for sure
One was willing to put in a little extra risk for that extra split second out of a curve and on the pedal
Can you do a comparison of the RB19 to the second best car or 3rd best car from 2020
Makes RB car look like a Caterham F1 car in comparrisson
And Hamilton said: I never seen any car fast like RB19 :)
I'm losing brain cells, you just took that comment completely out of context. That was a comment of how fast the RB19 is on the straights with DRS. And Hamilton was absolutely right with that comment
@@Yes-vh7lmsr my bad English. I translated this from Vietnamese I heard
Would be interesting to see the W11 vs RB16
This shows the difference between a time when there were no caps on money spent to develop a car vs a time now where there are caps on money for development in a car. Merc hasn't been able to figure out how to make a fast car that can stay in front of the field within these new budget guidelines.
I remember the w11 having incredible downforce coupled with great high speed
There was too much downforce even the Pirelli couldn't handle and exploded.
@cd-romThe Yes, and the car wasn't necessarily optimised for conditions with low mechanical grip (Turkish GP)
Now let’s see the 2020 RB vs the 2023 RB
Verstappens time in Bahrain 2020 was 1:27.678 for Q3, 4 tenths slower than Hamilton that session.
prob not gonna do it, only HAM haters here
Interesting line in turn 4
il never forget watching ham go thru pouhon flat like a madman in that machine
What are we doing here? The rb19 is nowhere close to being one of the fastest cars in f1 history.
you kinda cant compare these cars... 2023 has a lot of ground effect which makes the car slower and in general fia has been working on slowing the cars down
"fia has been working on slowing the cars down"
The one F1 fan who knows what's been happening in F1.
I don't think they're slowing down the car. Becuse of the concept change, it becomes a new learning field for everyone to master it (except maybe Newey and Ferrari, they've been familiar with current concept)
No like itss clear that fia wants slower cales
which 3d software do you use?
Bro the cornering speeeeeddd of w11, wild. Favourite F1 car so far!
watching the W11 take Pouhon flat at Spa is one of the craziest things I've ever seen a car do. Look it up on youtube if you haven't seen it. Lewis turns into the corner at like 303-305kmh, his slowest speed in the midcorner is 293Kmh, and exits out the corner at 301 kmh. absolutely insane.
You know I wonder if all these years Lewis thought he was the one making the difference in car speed lol. I know he is extremely talented but he also has had the best car for most of his career.
Maybe not for most of it, but definitely for a good few seasons. In 2007-2013, Ferrari or Red Bull has had the fastest cars, yet Hamilton won the championship in 2008 and nearly got it in 2007 and 2012 as well. In 2014-2016, he definitely had the fastest car. In 2017 and 2018, Merc and Ferrari were pretty much matched on pace with RB being faster in a few races as well. Merc was fastest in 2019 and 2020 again. And now Red Bull has been fastest in 2021, 2022 and 2023.
A myth that gets thrown around way to often is that Hamilton has only driven dominant cars and has never had any competition. This couldn't be more untrue. This is the guy who has had the most world champions as teammates out of any driver currently on the grid (Alonso, Button and Rosberg), and he's beaten all of them. And keep in mind that he schooled the reigning 2 time WDC as a rookie, beating the record for most points as a rookie. That's a record that's still standing, even with the new points system where drivers basically gets 3x the points as they did in 2007. McLaren was absolutely terrible in 2009, 2010 and 2011, yet he won races in all three seasons. He also won in 2013 with the mid field Merc, so that people still act as if he has to prove something is mind-blowing to me.
It’s a shame that a great deal of people who claim to be verse in F1 refuses to see this
@@edennard1 Same goes for Max and Red Bull in 2022 and 2023. Even Perez has gotten close or even outpaced Max in certain races, despite many considering him to be a mid tier driver by F1 standards. Kinda like Bottas.
That said, Merc definitely wouldn't have looked as good in 2014-2021 without Lewis, and Red Bull definitely wouldn't have looked as good without Max atm. I think people would think Bottas and Perez were good representatives of the car performance if Max and Lewis wasn't there, even though there would be lots of room for improvement in the same car.
Just goes to show how you can become used to having the best car for years.
How does it show that? Explain pls
@@davidjuchelka7442 hamilton crying like a baby after 2021
@@aryawyk.7874 But what does it have to do with this video? :D
@@davidjuchelka7442 this video is proof hamilton's talking bullshit about him not seeing a car that fast even when he was dominating
@@radityo1990 You just took that comment completely out of context. You're practically putting words into his mouth with that. The comment you're referring to is the comment of how fast the RB19 is on the straights with DRS. And Hamilton was absolutely right with that comment
"I have never seen car so fast"
I love this channel and it's an excellent place to gauge one-lap pace. However, the RB19's true strength lies in its race pace. The car is incredibly reliable, and really good at maintaining good pace even on worn-out tyres.
I wonder how much of that is driver factor. Max (and Checo) is very good at tyre management, but has never had fantastic 1lap pace
The W11 had amazing race pace as well. Not sure what point you're trying to make.
Crazy that the Redbull this year somehow has greater top speed than the Mercedes in 2020! They really did something to that Honda engine in the last year of development.
It’s not the engine, top speed is mostly down to aero/drag. 20hp extra to an F1 car at 320 kph would hardly make any difference. The Merc is dragy now like the RB used to be.
RB have done something quite clever when DRS is used.
A cars acceleration from 100 to 280 kph shows up the engines power. As seen at the Australian Gp the Merc had no issues keeping pace with the RB at those speeds!
At the start of the race max was actually slower than Hamilton/Russell on the straights over the first few laps when there was no DRS.
The Rb19 is highly efficiënt when it comes to drag vs downforce and on top of that... Their Drs system effectively stalls downforce and drag. So the gap between Drs and no Drs is bigger than with other cars. It's a choice/trade off. It's also one Redbull CAN make as their car is more efficient in making downforce from the underbody. On top of that Max uses the Electrical systems as a push to pass system sometimes making the top speed gap even bigger. If you look at all situations (fp and q and race) the top speed advantage isn't all that massive. The Merc is just relatively slow in a straight line due to the drag they need to put on the car to come close to Aston and Redbull in terms of downforce.
Every car from the 2020 class, with the exception of the Haas, would've beaten the RB-19 in both a one-lap shootout, and over the course of a full race. That just goes to show that the 2020 cars represented the absolute zenith of F1 performance that we've seen thus far. Take Max, Checo and their RB-19s and pit them against the 2020 grid and they would hardly score more than a couple points, if any at all.
That's what happened when you don't know to study.. They were lighter cars than these one's.. Much narrower & lighter than today cars.. Actual problem is that in 2020 other weren't that much behind Merc but in 2022, 2023 everybody is very much behind Red Bull.. They just didn't get it right on how to work the cars perfectly with these regulations & structure of car...🤷♂️
Dude,you not understand this comparison,this video show how 2020 cars was fast in compare to 2023…
This clip shows just how dominant Mercedes was: th-cam.com/users/shortsdCSBfz4QuwU
old track limits of Bahrain + superior steering helped a lot
Lewis Carmilton.
Max Carstappen 0 titles in a worst car and 80% from his all wins are in a fastest car.
Bro yah mad corny
@@andreidsc3695 I have to agree with you. Carstappen VS Carmilton. Hope they meet Next year in RB
The main reason why I sometimes debate if Hamilton in the greatest driver is he had a car like that. And still couldn’t break any win records get close to any win streak records. And the main reason he won so many championships was he was consistently a 9/10 driving with a 10/10 car he’s insanely good but every 2-3 races he didn’t win. Let me know if I’m way off or not
He is overrrated period, it's the car
The best cars goes to the best drivers. Ayrton Senna, Max Verstappen, Lewis Hamilton... Sometimes a Kimi appears, but it's so rare.
He's good, but he's not the greatest. No way.
You might be forgetting that the competition was also quicker back then, and the W11 wasn't the quickest car every weekend. It got destroyed at the 70th Anniversary GP by the Red Bull
@@kaichisendou Exactly. Races like Monaco, Austria, Mexico, the Merc always loses to Redbull and sometimes Ferrari.
Furthermore, it's actually easier for Max to break the records cus it's easier to follow in traffic now. And with the straight line speed of the RB, he can easily overtake any car, even when starting from 14th. The W11 starting from 14th would get stuck in traffic as the dirty air in that era was too strong compared to now.
Give Lewis Max's current car, and Bottas/Perez, and he's winning same races as Max.
I did the Leo DiCaprio whistle when I saw the track limit violation on "Turn 4"
do a video with every single f1 car from every team from 2014 to 2023
Don't show this to Hamilton
Hahaha
No no no it's okay, you see when he's got the fast car it's fair and all down to skill. ;)
Just to clarify since I know what kind of replies I'll get otherwise, Lewis is clearly an incredibly skilled driver but pretending that he didn't had an incredibly quick car and a super supportive teammate to back him up in most of his championships and instead thinking that it's all down to him and that he could win in any car (clearly not as last year has shown) is absurd.
@@free4fire if all cames down to Skill and god given ability to manipulate the car ; Verstappen far better than Hamilton
@@murodjonnormurodov6662 😂😂😂😂what a crystappen rider
@@free4fire look at whingestappen.
Never had any competition in the same team as him. Always been spoon fed since his debut and has multiple chances from the team.
Never seen anyone with more privileges than him. Once he gets a competitive teammate he’ll start throwing tantrums and saying that the team is British biased or whatever cars he’ll use to make himself look victim
He was exposed last season when he cried about Perez in Brazil
And the cars always favouring him as well. Even Perez had to retire in one of the races for the whining golden boy
who could have guessed the 800 million dollar car was faster than this one
My favorite part is the fact that they aren’t comparing to the rest of the field . Fucking 2020 cars were a few seconds a lap faster just in general
When the best car and driver combine
Guys let’s remember that even though this was a fast machine, that was the only time when DAS was allowed and while I’m not taking away the greatness of w11 we are comparing apples to oranges… W11 was in a league of its own nothing comes close
This was because Lewis said he had never seen a faster car.