One you missed was the Ram-Line combo mag sold in the 1980s. It was a 30-round, translucent plastic mag designed to fit both the Mini-14 and the AR-15. However it was so flimsy and the plastic so brittle that it really didn't work well in either platform, thus the reason why many of us called the company "Jam-Line" instead. The one I had quickly ended up in the junk box after only a couple of uses.
Please note Okay’s mags are all called Surefeed, the updated ones with the blue followers are actually called E2. Not trying to be a troll or rude, just wanted to clarify. Keep up the awesome work Chris!
My girlfriend’s grandson bought a new AR recently. It came with an Amend 2 mag. He purchased a second one at the same time. The rifle had severe feed issues. I loaned him one of my Okay Industries mags and the problems went away. I’ve got several Colt and OI mags.
I watched part 1&2 months ago and I remember thinking “I really hope he does a part 3 and includes drum mags” and sure enough I’m rewatching these snd now there’s a part 3!
Back in the mid-late '80's the only USGI mags you could find were from Cooper Industries, CAGE Code 30389. I tried ordering USGI mags from 4 or 5 sources, and all sources shipped me Coopers. Every one would misfeed in the last 5-6 rounds, always with the bolt riding over the tail of the cartridge. You could not buy any others at that time, and I found out the military dumped all the Coopers due to this problem, and Cooper lost their mil contract. The mags made their way into the surplus market. Experimenting, I put wood spacers between the floorplates and springs to take up the space of 6 rounds. Every round, all 24, would feed perfectly. This told me the real problem with these mags was weak springs. I was able to replace the springs with good springs from other damaged non-Cooper mags and they would then work fine. This was before the "green follower".
Really, this channel and knowledge provided should be pay per view. Chris, you’ve forgot more firearms knowledge than most of us will ever know. Thank you very much! We appreciate you sir!
Not sure who actually makes them but If you check out Jeff Gurwitch’s article for Defense Review, many years ago, he had some IMI mags which look identical. Of course, CAA is in Israel too so maybe they do make them in addition to their own. I’ve also seen a few other branded versions of these… Rock River, B&T, Sig
I've seen most of these mags for sale but always stayed away. I stick to Magpul. But after this series I will definitely start picking up some others. Thank you for your service to the 2a community sir
When I was on active duty (1986-1992) we had cases of Parsons Precision Products, made in Parsons KS. They always worked and I cannot recall any issues with them.
Beretta used to sell Italian military steel 30-round mags (NSN marked) on their website. I bought a couple that I haven't used yet, but they seem like quality mags.
Delighted to see some positive coverage for amend2 because I got a bunch of them when things were looking dire for restrictions coming down the line here, unfortunately a ton of people just immediately hate on them because they are a new company and not a household name like magpul
Truly fantastic video.... May I offer a hope/suggestion for a Part 3. "Feeding the Black Rifle with 300BLK". I do a lot with 300BLK, how well a magazine works with 300BLK largely comes down to the size and placement of the rib that on a 5.56 rides the side of the case neck or bullet. Also how much the magazine tappers at the front and feed angles can be an issue. Many mags will do fine with small bullets very few will handle monsters like the 205gr Gorilla copper hollow point. The Pmag for example though won't handle any 300BLK well, unless of course one buys their 300BLK specific magazine. What happens most often is that rib pushes the bullet in causing the rounds to stack pigeon toed. This makes the stack taller at the front nosing down the follower and causing it to jamb. On some, the D60 as a bad example the magazine is itself physically shaped to only handle 5.56, the opening just isn't large enough. On still others a high front edge of the magazine and shallow feed angle combine to jamb the bullet into the front edge of the magazine. Unfortunately information on that rib and the inner shape of the various magazines is limited on the net and largely comes down to trial and error followed by opinion on the forums. You however have this huge reference collection of magazines. Probably you alone can provide the definitive reference to what magazines are shaped internally large enough to properly stack large 300BLK loadings.
I just did a post about that a little bit on reddit and on the reloader's network. Short answers: Tork Mag, Lancer, lightly tweaked USGI, USGI, 300 BO pmag, normal pmag. In that order.
I'm a massive fan of steel magazines because of how they sit in web gear and how easy they are to retrieve from pouches compared to polymer with all their protrusions that get caught up on things, what would you recommend? It would be nice to have a video dedicated to the history of steel AR magazines such as the H&K and "FN" (D&H) ones.
Thank you for all the work! I'm glad to see you test magazines with a full-auto rifle; a much harder test than semi. I've seen Toolman mags for sale, but hesitated. After your report, I may pick one up for my 'collection' and as a range mag. The ASC mags I own have orange followers. I had not heard of them until I bought a couple in a pawnshop, so I was a bit leery of them. They did feed a friend's M16A1 in happy mode, though. I've also come across a ROK mag by Kyung Chang with a CAGE code of 3N829. It looks good and ran fine through my semi-auto AR Regarding Tapco, I have had complete range success with AK 7.62x39 mags and the ones I have fit my WASR 10 perfectly.
Thank you for another informative video Chris. Your experience with the ATI-Schmeisser 60 round mags reflects mine which I was happy to see. On another subject, Magpul and Lancer have started offering mags specific to .300 BLK. Historically I never had any issues with using the 556 mags with .300 BLK, except with rounds over 150 grains where a few feeding issues did happen. I tried the same rounds with both the .300 BLK specific mags from Magpul and Lancer with zero FTF's. Any experience you may have on this subject would be appreciated.
The 5.56 mags worked great with lighter supersonic loads but the heavier subsonic round occasionally had feeding issues due to how front heavy they are
Okay industries are definitely the best usgi alum mag made imo as well. I tend to stray away from C-products aluminum mags as I've had waaay too many qc problems with them; particularly with the front wall where the two halves overlap. They tend to not be welded flush and hang up on the nose of bullets so they won't rise up the mag smoothly, especially with heavier/longer bullets. Though I've had good luck with their steel mags and those are gtg imo.
My heart sank somewhat when you said that you had problems with 7.62x39 is ACS mags. Hopefully, I'll find in your inventory of videos one that provides more detail. God's blessings. Maranatha!
I had one of the smoke HK mags split open and spew rounds everywhere when it fell onto a carpeted floor. It was right after I fully loaded it for the first time, I love HK but those mags seem prone to breaking.
same for me, a fully load magazine fell and explod. it was on a rubber mat. the magazine base plate is hold by 2 tiny bits and with the good angle it break easily.
I was checking out your Amazon Store book section. Great reading list of books and reference material. I would just add one book to it "The World's Assault Rifles" by Gary Paul Johnston and Thomas B. Nelson. It follows the assault rifle from the STG-44 in 1944 up to 2010, and everything design in between. The hardcover has been out of print for awhile, but the kindle version is every affordable at $14.99 and lighter. The hardcover book weighs in at close to 10 pounds!
I’ve had terrible luck with Amend2. I warrantied them out and returned them. Different date codes and sources. Multiple rifles got double feeds. Switched to PMAGS and don’t plan to look elsewhere unless Magpul themselves tells me it’s a better mag and shows me why. All my issues went away with PMAG.
I've noticed this as well. I've heard a lot of bad things about them, but I've not had any issues with them, other than having to be a bit more aggressive with my reloads. I've had the same success with them as I have with my Pmags and my Hexmags. I actually just used them a couple of days ago, with no feeding issues or even sticking on the drop out.
I personally only buy 3 kinds of mags. Okay G.I. mags, Pmags and Lancer mags. They all work great and I don't see a need for any other. My personal favorite is the Lancer translucent smoke.
Okay industries are what I use. Only had trouble with one 20 round that would fall to feed at times. 30 round never any problems. Hera makes a beaver tail pistol grip that is comfortable in my hand. It also has a storage compartment. It is more square on the corners. But, to each his own.
99% sure D&H has the contract for the Canadian Army's magazines. Anyway, I agree with Chris about C Products and E-Lander. Three E-Lander's have found their way into my magazine pile and I love them - very durable and never a problem. I have a lot of C Products as well and have never had an issue.
I have a few of those centers industries corps mags had no idea who made them till now matching the cage code you shared and my okay industries cage codes matched yours too. All my other mags are all Magpul and hex mags, and all asc mags for my grendels. I did just get a couple of the amend 2 10rd Grendel mags and without out modification they aren’t very reliable. They do fine with longer bullets but with shorter 90gn bullets the bullets nose dive and hit the front of the mag. Just trimmed some material with my pocket knife and they seem ok now at least for the range and possibly hunting. I also just got in 3 of the utg 30rd 223 mags with the windows. So far so good on those just figured I’d give them a try but when it comes down to it, my go to will always be Magpul either gen 1 2 or 3
@@ryanpeck3377 in my limited experience you’re absolutely right. I just noticed he didn’t mention them, and Brownells pumped out a couple hundred thousand to the US Military for about 5 years there. Not to mention the ringing endorsement from Battlefield Las Vegas who reports excellent service from their Brownells magazines.
I had a few given to me new in the wrapper when I was in Afghanistan. They were the at the time new tan follower mags. They had issues with the follower getting stuck once you loaded about 10 rounds. I've heard of others having similar issues when they first came out. Not sure if they ever fixed it or not
I have mostly G.I. mags such as LaBelle ,and Cooper Industries.And I used to pass over Adventure Line thinking they were cheap aftermarket mags.Ive since wised up as the prices are going higher . Great program Chris.🏆
Only time i use thermold mags is if im shooting from a bench needing extra room from 10 or 20rd mag. Hope no one is actually depending on them for real. You can get a gen2 pmag for $9 just get that. Love c-products mags.
As normal and as to be expected, great technical and analytical data to consider and draw some conclusions from in both parts! Small Arms Solutions has quickly become my new favorite 2A related TH-cam channel for this reason. I greatly appreciate and enjoy all of your excellent videos!!!
I'm impressed. I thought I had a diverse collection, but he covered almost all the mags I have. I do have a different Korean polymer called "Swampfox" that I got on clearance, and Korean steel "SHK". TorkMag 50 is interesting and has worked for me. The Bulgarian IK poly 40s handle 300 BLK better than Magpul. Watch out with ELanders to not overload them. Different generations have different last round sides. I once accidentally bought a steel ProMag and returned it immediately when I saw it was ProMag.
Do not store the quad-stack Shizawhatever mag full. It ran perfectly until I stored it full for a few weeks. Too much on the springs I guess. Hell to load. Can't store it full. I'll take a regular double-stack GI or Pmag any day.
Took it outta storage and tried to finger out a round to see if it would have issues. DONE. Every round nose-dived and I had to finagle 60 damn cartridges out manually because I wasn't about to disassemble it and unleash the spring apocalypse held within.
Try shooting the Surefeed E2’s in a rifle that doesn’t have M4 feed ramps. Lots of internet chatter about issues in those rifles due to the presentation angle. I have some but haven’t had a chance to test.
Use tan okay surefeed e2 in my rra a2 standard, which i believe has standard rifle feed ramps and ran without a hitch, locking on last round, no problem inserting full ona closed bolt etc
Steel are most durable and not prone to problems with environmental changes. Proper finish magazines that are steel do well with sand. Not proper will corrode. Polymer has no memory if dropped, they dont bend. They often break when compromised. Many polymer mags mar work better with faster cyclic actions.
@@SmallArmsSolutions Some trivia referring to your comment about mag finish and sand: I think the parkerized finish of the Beretta M9 mags caused problems when interacting with the sand of the Middle East. I think they switched to non-parked mags. I don't know how much of a difference the non-parked mags made in the Middle East. I'm pretty sure the parked M9 mags were made by Checkmate.
He also says Okay Surefeed if you don't want polymer for some reason (often save a little weight with aluminum, but you have to worry about bent feed lips). For hi-capacity, recommends the Magpul D60 though in his own experience the Surefire also works well (it's just more expensive, less compatible, and doesn't have last shot hold open, the feed lips may bend affecting reliability if you drop it while loaded, and I don't recall if it's heavier). He recommends a particular modern steel magazine as the best steel magazine (although you're generally better off with a Pmag or Lancer), the name of which I can't remember exactly (sorry, I don't want to say the wrong one), though he says the cheaper steel E-Landers are also good (but only their 5.56 mags). He also says to keep an eye on the new competitor to the Pmag just introduced by the engineer who finalized the Lancer magazine. It has a blaze orange follower and I forget the name again. But he's currently testing it and will do a video on it. I'm sure we'll hear more about it. I doubt many people are excited to be a magazine early adopter when it's just an alternative to a proven design with at most minor advantages. But still, it would be a major accomplishment for a competitor to Magpul to even slightly improve upon the Pmag. The most exciting magazines for further testing and development are the Torkmags. If their winding spring proves reliable and they perfect it, the potential is higher capacity in a magazine no bigger than a standard 30rd STANAG magazine (by replacing the conventional follower and spring with something that takes up less space in the mag, leaving more space for ammo). Potentially, they could make every other magazine design obsolete. If so, they could end up licensing their spring and follower to everyone, including Magpul. Honorable mention to the Magpul D60 for being the first drum magazine for for combat use since it's as reliable as a box magazine and it's height is so low that it doesn't hinder going prone. Makes a good "first mag", especially in a lightweight gun. Perhaps that design with also be significantly improved with further development, but it's good already.
ETS mags are some nice mags, i have 3 of them and never had a fail yet, on a side note they have the steepest feed angle i have seen allowing mag to feed all ammo types just perfectly.👍👍👍
I've had the same issue with the Schmeisser in all of my rifles except one that it locks back on everytime. I've witness two that a friend has that have feeding issues almost every time he used them. I only witnessed him using them in one rifle. He also had inconsistent bolt lock after the last round
Mine actually chipped away the polymer on the very front where the cartridge is fed into chamber. Nothing but problems. Don't use it at all. Should have sent it back.
If anyone is looking for a good grendel magazine those asc 6.8 spc mags run 100% in all my Grendels and they are the only ones that have been 100% the asc Grendel mags work too but the 6.8 spc mags work the best and I have at least 1200rds through them
It hurts Chris to say Tapco as much as Forward Assist or M14
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0:35 - OKay Industries
3:57 - AMEND2
4:56 - Sig Sauer
6:31 -CZ
7:26 - ProMag
8:47 - Danial Defense
9:32 - Hera Arms
11:13 - EZ-Mag
12:43 - Tapco
13:37 - TROY
14:23 - Toolman Tactical
15:15 - Plinker Arms
16:08 - FN SCAR (D&H Tactical)
17:00 - D&H Tactical (CZ Army issue magazine)
18:21 - C-Products (Dura-Mag)
20:39 - E-Lander
22:08 - ETS
23:50 - TorkMag
27:00 - H&K
31:07 - ASC
31:59 - SUREFIRE
34:46 - American Tactical (Schmeisser GmbH)
37:12 - X-Products
38:48 - KCT (Korea)
(Bonus)
39:53 - CAGE Codes
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TY so much lol saved me time
Chris Bartocci - THE BLACK RIFLE EMPEROR OF KNOWLEDGE ! God bless you and yours Chris 🙏🏻🇺🇸
Just say no to Pro Mag.
I have one promag 20 rounder that I haven't used yet but the rest of my stuff is Bushmaster and Magpul
@@levifontaine8186 Pretty sure Bushmaster mags are D&H Tactical.
Friends don't let friends Promag.
Please remember our mags are garbage
The DD mags are also optimized for the M855 A1 ammo, providing the rounds with a higher angle to the chamber.
Old school here, we still have "Adventure Line" magazines.
And Labelle and O K
One you missed was the Ram-Line combo mag sold in the 1980s. It was a 30-round, translucent plastic mag designed to fit both the Mini-14 and the AR-15. However it was so flimsy and the plastic so brittle that it really didn't work well in either platform, thus the reason why many of us called the company "Jam-Line" instead. The one I had quickly ended up in the junk box after only a couple of uses.
Part 3
This is probably my 6th or 7th time watching through this series over the last 4 years. You do a superb job.
Please note Okay’s mags are all called Surefeed, the updated ones with the blue followers are actually called E2. Not trying to be a troll or rude, just wanted to clarify. Keep up the awesome work Chris!
You are correct, All the mags from Okay are marked Surefeed on the packaging, i own a handful of the regular ones
My favorite magazines ever.
My girlfriend’s grandson bought a new AR recently. It came with an Amend 2 mag. He purchased a second one at the same time.
The rifle had severe feed issues. I loaned him one of my Okay Industries mags and the problems went away.
I’ve got several Colt and OI mags.
The mag addict in me loved this.
Your not alone bro😎😎😎👍🏾
Yeah, me too.
I've accidently turned into a magazine snob.
Only the best for my black rifle.
I watched part 1&2 months ago and I remember thinking “I really hope he does a part 3 and includes drum mags” and sure enough I’m rewatching these snd now there’s a part 3!
Back in the mid-late '80's the only USGI mags you could find were from Cooper Industries, CAGE Code 30389. I tried ordering USGI mags from 4 or 5 sources, and all sources shipped me Coopers. Every one would misfeed in the last 5-6 rounds, always with the bolt riding over the tail of the cartridge. You could not buy any others at that time, and I found out the military dumped all the Coopers due to this problem, and Cooper lost their mil contract. The mags made their way into the surplus market. Experimenting, I put wood spacers between the floorplates and springs to take up the space of 6 rounds. Every round, all 24, would feed perfectly. This told me the real problem with these mags was weak springs. I was able to replace the springs with good springs from other damaged non-Cooper mags and they would then work fine. This was before the "green follower".
Really, this channel and knowledge provided should be pay per view. Chris, you’ve forgot more firearms knowledge than most of us will ever know.
Thank you very much! We appreciate you sir!
5:45 Not a CAA magazine. It's made by IMI Defense in Isreal.
Interesting... Can I ask how you know? I thought he was correct with the CAA reference.
Not sure who actually makes them but If you check out Jeff Gurwitch’s article for Defense Review, many years ago, he had some IMI mags which look identical. Of course, CAA is in Israel too so maybe they do make them in addition to their own. I’ve also seen a few other branded versions of these… Rock River, B&T, Sig
I've seen most of these mags for sale but always stayed away. I stick to Magpul. But after this series I will definitely start picking up some others. Thank you for your service to the 2a community sir
When I was on active duty (1986-1992) we had cases of Parsons Precision Products, made in Parsons KS. They always worked and I cannot recall any issues with them.
They were apparently bought out by Center Industries
I bought a few ASC stainless AR mags a few months ago and haven't had any issues at all.
On that Daniel Defense 32 round magazine: even if you load it with 30 rounds, I find the 2 round play makes it easier to insert on a closed bolt.
Beretta used to sell Italian military steel 30-round mags (NSN marked) on their website. I bought a couple that I haven't used yet, but they seem like quality mags.
Delighted to see some positive coverage for amend2 because I got a bunch of them when things were looking dire for restrictions coming down the line here, unfortunately a ton of people just immediately hate on them because they are a new company and not a household name like magpul
Truly fantastic video.... May I offer a hope/suggestion for a Part 3. "Feeding the Black Rifle with 300BLK".
I do a lot with 300BLK, how well a magazine works with 300BLK largely comes down to the size and placement of the rib that on a 5.56 rides the side of the case neck or bullet. Also how much the magazine tappers at the front and feed angles can be an issue. Many mags will do fine with small bullets very few will handle monsters like the 205gr Gorilla copper hollow point. The Pmag for example though won't handle any 300BLK well, unless of course one buys their 300BLK specific magazine.
What happens most often is that rib pushes the bullet in causing the rounds to stack pigeon toed. This makes the stack taller at the front nosing down the follower and causing it to jamb. On some, the D60 as a bad example the magazine is itself physically shaped to only handle 5.56, the opening just isn't large enough. On still others a high front edge of the magazine and shallow feed angle combine to jamb the bullet into the front edge of the magazine.
Unfortunately information on that rib and the inner shape of the various magazines is limited on the net and largely comes down to trial and error followed by opinion on the forums. You however have this huge reference collection of magazines. Probably you alone can provide the definitive reference to what magazines are shaped internally large enough to properly stack large 300BLK loadings.
I just did a post about that a little bit on reddit and on the reloader's network. Short answers: Tork Mag, Lancer, lightly tweaked USGI, USGI, 300 BO pmag, normal pmag. In that order.
I love the okay industries mags. They have them at big daddy unlimited for 10 bucks. I like the grey finish.
You should publish a list of duty ready, and known military grade magazines.
Troy battle mags and Daniel defense mags are flawless
You are a smart man and I respect you. That is all
I'm a massive fan of steel magazines because of how they sit in web gear and how easy they are to retrieve from pouches compared to polymer with all their protrusions that get caught up on things, what would you recommend? It would be nice to have a video dedicated to the history of steel AR magazines such as the H&K and "FN" (D&H) ones.
Great, as always! We need a spreadsheet with these magazines graded (e.g., Military grade, LE/HD, Plinking, Trash).
When chris shot the m16 with m203 in fully automatic did not move at all. Incredible
Thank you for all the work! I'm glad to see you test magazines with a full-auto rifle; a much harder test than semi.
I've seen Toolman mags for sale, but hesitated. After your report, I may pick one up for my 'collection' and as a range mag.
The ASC mags I own have orange followers. I had not heard of them until I bought a couple in a pawnshop, so I was a bit leery of them. They did feed a friend's M16A1 in happy mode, though.
I've also come across a ROK mag by Kyung Chang with a CAGE code of 3N829. It looks good and ran fine through my semi-auto AR
Regarding Tapco, I have had complete range success with AK 7.62x39 mags and the ones I have fit my WASR 10 perfectly.
Thank you for another informative video Chris. Your experience with the ATI-Schmeisser 60 round mags reflects mine which I was happy to see. On another subject, Magpul and Lancer have started offering mags specific to .300 BLK. Historically I never had any issues with using the 556 mags with .300 BLK, except with rounds over 150 grains where a few feeding issues did happen. I tried the same rounds with both the .300 BLK specific mags from Magpul and Lancer with zero FTF's. Any experience you may have on this subject would be appreciated.
The 5.56 mags worked great with lighter supersonic loads but the heavier subsonic round occasionally had feeding issues due to how front heavy they are
G.i. mags hit in 4 spots with a file are a good option for 300 bo, especially if you like blunt heavy bullets.
The military arms channel think's the new colt civilian M-4's are subcontracted out, please tell me its not true
I would be lying if I told you that!
Okay Industries made in New Britain, CT. Awesome company and incredible magazines. Never had any issues with them...
My absolute favorite magazines.
DD mags (32rnd) I think were designed around 30 rounds but for easier insertion under a closed bolt
30 round pmags fully loaded seat easily on a closed bolt as well
@@elgringosupremo In some guns. PMAGs seating on 30 rounds with bolt closed is not consistent across multiple rifles in my experience.
18:23 freaking love those mags
I only use those and Gen2 PMAGS and nothing else
The surefire 100 rounders have port firing weapon written all over them. Load it up with tracers and start spraying
My aluminum mags all have Colt floor plates, but not the cage code. I only have a few of them, and they work fine.
Unbelievable how may magazines this guy has used! Great info.
Okay industries are definitely the best usgi alum mag made imo as well. I tend to stray away from C-products aluminum mags as I've had waaay too many qc problems with them; particularly with the front wall where the two halves overlap. They tend to not be welded flush and hang up on the nose of bullets so they won't rise up the mag smoothly, especially with heavier/longer bullets. Though I've had good luck with their steel mags and those are gtg imo.
My heart sank somewhat when you said that you had problems with 7.62x39 is ACS mags. Hopefully, I'll find in your inventory of videos one that provides more detail.
God's blessings. Maranatha!
Thanks for all the effort, and expense.
This two part video is a gold mine of information.
Thanks
I bought a sigsauer mag in a package and it was a okay industries inside, doesn’t even say sig anywhere
I had one of the smoke HK mags split open and spew rounds everywhere when it fell onto a carpeted floor. It was right after I fully loaded it for the first time, I love HK but those mags seem prone to breaking.
same for me, a fully load magazine fell and explod. it was on a rubber mat. the magazine base plate is hold by 2 tiny bits and with the good angle it break easily.
I was checking out your Amazon Store book section. Great reading list of books and reference material. I would just add one book to it "The World's Assault Rifles" by Gary Paul Johnston and Thomas B. Nelson. It follows the assault rifle from the STG-44 in 1944 up to 2010, and everything design in between. The hardcover has been out of print for awhile, but the kindle version is every affordable at $14.99 and lighter. The hardcover book weighs in at close to 10 pounds!
I’ve had terrible luck with Amend2. I warrantied them out and returned them. Different date codes and sources. Multiple rifles got double feeds. Switched to PMAGS and don’t plan to look elsewhere unless Magpul themselves tells me it’s a better mag and shows me why. All my issues went away with PMAG.
The AR-15/ M4 5.56 Ammend 2 mags feed lips spread over time if leave em loaded. Makes the fit snug but has still been feeding reliably.
I've noticed this as well. I've heard a lot of bad things about them, but I've not had any issues with them, other than having to be a bit more aggressive with my reloads. I've had the same success with them as I have with my Pmags and my Hexmags. I actually just used them a couple of days ago, with no feeding issues or even sticking on the drop out.
Got your book, Chris. The depth of knowledge and info in it is astounding!
I personally only buy 3 kinds of mags. Okay G.I. mags, Pmags and Lancer mags. They all work great and I don't see a need for any other. My personal favorite is the Lancer translucent smoke.
As the late great Mike Vanderboeg emphasized, don't forget the bandoleer.
I see what Daniel Defense did there. 32DD 😏
I might buy some just because of this comment
Okay industries are what I use. Only had trouble with one 20 round that would fall to feed at times. 30 round never any problems.
Hera makes a beaver tail pistol grip that is comfortable in my hand. It also has a storage compartment. It is more square on the corners. But, to each his own.
99% sure D&H has the contract for the Canadian Army's magazines. Anyway, I agree with Chris about C Products and E-Lander. Three E-Lander's have found their way into my magazine pile and I love them - very durable and never a problem. I have a lot of C Products as well and have never had an issue.
I have a few of those centers industries corps mags had no idea who made them till now matching the cage code you shared and my okay industries cage codes matched yours too. All my other mags are all Magpul and hex mags, and all asc mags for my grendels. I did just get a couple of the amend 2 10rd Grendel mags and without out modification they aren’t very reliable. They do fine with longer bullets but with shorter 90gn bullets the bullets nose dive and hit the front of the mag. Just trimmed some material with my pocket knife and they seem ok now at least for the range and possibly hunting. I also just got in 3 of the utg 30rd 223 mags with the windows. So far so good on those just figured I’d give them a try but when it comes down to it, my go to will always be Magpul either gen 1 2 or 3
Don’t forget brownells excellent aluminum mag!
They are good, right up there with Okay or C-products
@@ryanpeck3377 in my limited experience you’re absolutely right. I just noticed he didn’t mention them, and Brownells pumped out a couple hundred thousand to the US Military for about 5 years there. Not to mention the ringing endorsement from Battlefield Las Vegas who reports excellent service from their Brownells magazines.
I had a few given to me new in the wrapper when I was in Afghanistan. They were the at the time new tan follower mags. They had issues with the follower getting stuck once you loaded about 10 rounds. I've heard of others having similar issues when they first came out. Not sure if they ever fixed it or not
I have mostly G.I. mags such as LaBelle ,and Cooper Industries.And I used to pass over Adventure Line thinking they were cheap aftermarket mags.Ive since wised up as the prices are going higher .
Great program Chris.🏆
promag roller mag 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
thank you so much. really enjoyed.
Only time i use thermold mags is if im shooting from a bench needing extra room from 10 or 20rd mag. Hope no one is actually depending on them for real. You can get a gen2 pmag for $9 just get that. Love c-products mags.
C Products 762x39 mags are very nice.
Ramline used the coiled spring on their hi-cap pistol magazines about 25-30 years ago.
CPD - in my AR chambered in 7.62x39, they are excellent. Never had any feed issues, unlike the ASC mags.
As normal and as to be expected, great technical and analytical data to consider and draw some conclusions from in both parts! Small Arms Solutions has quickly become my new favorite 2A related TH-cam channel for this reason. I greatly appreciate and enjoy all of your excellent videos!!!
@SmallArmsSolutions is there perhaps a "Feeding the Black Pistol" Glock magazine video in the works...?
LOVE! the Troy Battle Mags! Can’t even count how many I’ve found for $11 or less. Awesome content!
I'm impressed. I thought I had a diverse collection, but he covered almost all the mags I have. I do have a different Korean polymer called "Swampfox" that I got on clearance, and Korean steel "SHK". TorkMag 50 is interesting and has worked for me. The Bulgarian IK poly 40s handle 300 BLK better than Magpul. Watch out with ELanders to not overload them. Different generations have different last round sides. I once accidentally bought a steel ProMag and returned it immediately when I saw it was ProMag.
Crapco magazine, great for the up coming buy back program.
Elander mags work great they are my favorite mag.
Do not store the quad-stack Shizawhatever mag full. It ran perfectly until I stored it full for a few weeks. Too much on the springs I guess. Hell to load. Can't store it full. I'll take a regular double-stack GI or Pmag any day.
Took it outta storage and tried to finger out a round to see if it would have issues. DONE. Every round nose-dived and I had to finagle 60 damn cartridges out manually because I wasn't about to disassemble it and unleash the spring apocalypse held within.
Always appreciate your love and knowledge of the stoner platform. Great Video!
Thank You, great info...
I bought a schmeizer and it would not feed in 7 different rifles. Glad yours work. I see they have a gen 2 now.
I have experienced jams with the ATI magazine in an A2 rifle that does not have M4 feedramps in the receiver.
Try shooting the Surefeed E2’s in a rifle that doesn’t have M4 feed ramps. Lots of internet chatter about issues in those rifles due to the presentation angle. I have some but haven’t had a chance to test.
Use tan okay surefeed e2 in my rra a2 standard, which i believe has standard rifle feed ramps and ran without a hitch, locking on last round, no problem inserting full ona closed bolt etc
A large gun rental range in or near Las Vegas named Battlefield something or other showed aluminum mags lasted the longest.
They are wrong
@@SmallArmsSolutions Where do GI mags made of steel rather than aluminum (ex: Duramag and Korean) compare to polymer and aluminum mags for longevity?
Steel are most durable and not prone to problems with environmental changes. Proper finish magazines that are steel do well with sand. Not proper will corrode. Polymer has no memory if dropped, they dont bend. They often break when compromised. Many polymer mags mar work better with faster cyclic actions.
@@SmallArmsSolutions Thanks.
@@SmallArmsSolutions Some trivia referring to your comment about mag finish and sand: I think the parkerized finish of the Beretta M9 mags caused problems when interacting with the sand of the Middle East. I think they switched to non-parked mags. I don't know how much of a difference the non-parked mags made in the Middle East. I'm pretty sure the parked M9 mags were made by Checkmate.
I love the duramag speed colored mags. My go to mags are Lancers, Okay, Duramag and D&H
OKAY, Magpul..or Lancer if you feel like spending the extra few bucks
Yep.
My local Vance Outdoors has Troy Battlemag 30's for $8.99 :). They have also been very reliable in my experience.
@@gort4016 I wouldnt trust my life to them they have very weak base plates but for a range mag thats not a bad deal
He also says Okay Surefeed if you don't want polymer for some reason (often save a little weight with aluminum, but you have to worry about bent feed lips). For hi-capacity, recommends the Magpul D60 though in his own experience the Surefire also works well (it's just more expensive, less compatible, and doesn't have last shot hold open, the feed lips may bend affecting reliability if you drop it while loaded, and I don't recall if it's heavier). He recommends a particular modern steel magazine as the best steel magazine (although you're generally better off with a Pmag or Lancer), the name of which I can't remember exactly (sorry, I don't want to say the wrong one), though he says the cheaper steel E-Landers are also good (but only their 5.56 mags).
He also says to keep an eye on the new competitor to the Pmag just introduced by the engineer who finalized the Lancer magazine. It has a blaze orange follower and I forget the name again. But he's currently testing it and will do a video on it. I'm sure we'll hear more about it. I doubt many people are excited to be a magazine early adopter when it's just an alternative to a proven design with at most minor advantages. But still, it would be a major accomplishment for a competitor to Magpul to even slightly improve upon the Pmag.
The most exciting magazines for further testing and development are the Torkmags. If their winding spring proves reliable and they perfect it, the potential is higher capacity in a magazine no bigger than a standard 30rd STANAG magazine (by replacing the conventional follower and spring with something that takes up less space in the mag, leaving more space for ammo). Potentially, they could make every other magazine design obsolete. If so, they could end up licensing their spring and follower to everyone, including Magpul. Honorable mention to the Magpul D60 for being the first drum magazine for for combat use since it's as reliable as a box magazine and it's height is so low that it doesn't hinder going prone. Makes a good "first mag", especially in a lightweight gun. Perhaps that design with also be significantly improved with further development, but it's good already.
Spot on
ETS mags are some nice mags, i have 3 of them and never had a fail yet, on a side note they have the steepest feed angle i have seen allowing mag to feed all ammo types just perfectly.👍👍👍
I've had the same issue with the Schmeisser in all of my rifles except one that it locks back on everytime. I've witness two that a friend has that have feeding issues almost every time he used them. I only witnessed him using them in one rifle. He also had inconsistent bolt lock after the last round
Mine actually chipped away the polymer on the very front where the cartridge is fed into chamber. Nothing but problems. Don't use it at all. Should have sent it back.
This is good information. Thank you.
Swampfox too
Thank you Chris! I love the new series of magazine videos!
If anyone is looking for a good grendel magazine those asc 6.8 spc mags run 100% in all my Grendels and they are the only ones that have been 100% the asc Grendel mags work too but the 6.8 spc mags work the best and I have at least 1200rds through them
Outstanding my friend.
Got some Amend2 magazines. The finish is kind of crap but they work.
Colt could really use a knowledgeable like you
They had me
@@SmallArmsSolutions I know bro haha , their loss I guess
Thank U so much for this video...and your wealth of knowledge/experience/wisdom...stay awesome!
I loved parts 1&2. Can’t wait for part 3.
Fantastic content. Thank you.
I love this channel so much!
Great videos! Was surprised you didn't have the Beta 100 round or Korean copy in there.
I got a great Brownells SS mag and bought one later that was not up to par. I believe the second one was a counterfiet.
HK mag available for $45 now on arms unlimited, downright cheap, lol
Love to see a part 3 where you review your personal top 5 or 10
Your experience with Hera and Daniel defense are the same as mine- albeit lower round counts
I have a couple 10rd mags from herra. They only hold 9 or else the mag won’t seat. Magpul P mags and hex mags are my only choice. Great video.
I got lucky and got 20 HK steel mags for 450 dollars new from a guy a year and half ago .
I very much appreciate you sharing these opinions and your work with these magazines. Thanks Chris.
Fantastic info as always!!!!!
I bought Okay E2's over Duramags on freedom week. I had never heard of the Duramag name. Now I know.
Awesome series! Definitely a few I'd never heard of.