The Surprisingly Violent History Of Arsenal’s Hooligan Firms The Gooners & The Herd
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- The Herd & The Gooners are Arsenal FC's hooligan firms that reeked havoc in the 70s and 80s. One of the most fearsome football hooligan firms in England, they are rated at number 20 in the book by renowned hooligan author Paul Gratis. www.amazon.co....
Went to Highbury with Liverpool in 84....it was as dodgy as anywhere in London....!! Plenty of lads on either side....!!
@@ijs6427 Arsenals mob re emerged from 84 onwards as a top mob under guys like Denton, Miller and a few others.
When FV was at its peak Arsenal were one of London’s and Englands finest and that’s a fact
People who say Arsenal never had a top firm are absolutely clueless.
Good firm but never number one an that’s a fact
Casual era gooners stand with anyone
@@redflag8970 Don't think we've ever claimed to be number one. But name me one other London firm or any firm for that matter, that done the ICF TWICE in their own manor at their height in the 80's? Also went toe to toe with Wall eventually claiming a result against them in their prime in 88 as well.
Arsenal had a top mob from 84 to the late 00's.
@@zigzung5569 ye wasn’t meant as a dig bud looking at it I prob wrote that wrongly. My apologies
Copenhagen is the one AFC flew the flag🇬🇧 & sorted out Leeds UTD after their fans got done by the Turks.
Arsenal after 84 came into their own and even gave the icf a pasting in Bethnal Green one night - but it didn’t last long - Arsenal like Spurs had their moments but West Ham were always number 1. Millwall
Always the bravest.
You're right about Arsenal top firm from 84 onwards. Don't know about Bethnal Green in 84, but know we done the ICF in Plaistow on the Barking Rd in 85, and on the Mile End Rd in 87. Also done one of their boozers/clubs can't remember where exactly but know it was somewhere in Essex, in 87 as well.
Game against Wall in 88 was mad as well, they done us before the game we done them after.
Also no other firm has had two massive turnouts in Europe like we've had in Paris in 94 and Copenhagen in 2000.
Well stated - Gooners under rated !
@@jimmybedding1736 Yeah totally underrated, those who know, know as they say. Top boys from West Ham, Boro, Everton, Stoke, Pompey, Cardiff, Everton, Man U and more have all acknowledged Arsenal having a top mob from the mid 80's onwards.
When Denton and his mob were about and the older Herd lads they were quite a force and certain people are embarrassed to admit it for obvious reasons.
Arsenal are the only set of fans who could easily hold their own against the likes of Galatasaray and all the other giant firms in Europe. All the others would have no chance as seen by incidents including the so called super firms like Leeds and West Ham who when in Europe are easily dealt with by modest foreign firms. When Arsenal are abroad their scarfers have no problem dealing with what is thrown at them, often not even needing to call on the top boys..
Your hilarious mate ⚒
@@TheWESTSIDE1967The guy has a point mate. To this day PSG will tell you Arsenal are the best English firm to ever show up in Paris, also we went toe to toe with Galatasaray in Copenhagen the same year two Leeds fans were stabbed and killed in Istanbul against them. Took some bottle for more than 300 of our mob to show up for that game and more than 100 of our scarfers were battling in the Town square as well.
@@zigzung5569 I'm not even bothering
@@TheWESTSIDE1967 Tell me where i'm wrong then mate. I think you're not bothering because Arsenal done the ICF twice in their own manor in 85 and 87. Tell me i'm wrong again with that fact and i'll see if you know what you're talking about or as i suspect talking bollocks.
@@zigzung5569 Arsenal have never done WEST HAM especially on our turf, easy to say where's your proof ?
Arsenal had a top firm when it mattered.Only team who came in the Holte after 2.30 .They got destroyed but fair play to them .They don’t come out with bullshit unlike many others UTV .
Fairplay for your comment mate, know we've had a few rows with Villas mob over the years.
Not sure if you know a few Arsenal boys who moved to Brum ended up being respected members of Birminghams Zulus? Not sure if that's the reason why Arsenal never really had any rows with Brum but it always used to kick off against Villa.
Best firm to come out the smoke in the 80’s and everybody on the scene as the real deal during this time know this .. FACT
Villa fan
Na Man U were always the real deal
@@Johndoe-gf7eunot from London though are they ?
Wouldn't admit to villa son but your right 70s 80s proper handful CFC
@@jamieoliver3262 Woudln't admit to being chelsea either..Villa Hardcore smashed you lot at Kings Cross in 2004...I ain't your son so jog on you prick
Mt uncle lived in Sudbury & i remember going with him to see Ipswich v Arsenal in the 80's, was load of trouble that day, Arsenal fans got in among home supporters adjacent to away terrace
plenty of London club supporters in Sudbury , theres two large Overspill estates plus private housing built to accomodate ex Londoners here.
And a bomb scare at the end of the match.
@@carlstrohm6152Had a mates brother who was a Clock End boy at Arsenal in the late 70's/ early 80's, remember him saying it used to always kick off when Arsenal played Ipswich or Norwich away.
Had a big off with them in sheperds Bush market one year at Qpr
Some right battles in and around ayresome park when we played arsenal in the cup in 76.
Boro got the best of it, didn't they?
@@jimmybalantyne5545 certainly in the ground from what I saw. Some arsenal claim a result outside, but I'd be surprised given the numbers Boro had out that day.
My mate an arsenal fan he went to that game an he said it was the worst a scariest walk back to the station he ever had he said arsenal done well keeping together a were game.
77 cup game, we were everywhere before the game but after due to the OB letting only small groups out at a time, it was carnage all the way back to the station. Only Jenkins firm stood their ground and saved my life as I was getting kicked around like a rag doll. Revenge was sweet in 1984 though.
@@eddiemc10 you are correct sir, 26 February, 1977. Glad you enjoyed it!
What about little highbury crew ,six acres from 70's.
Theres no such thing as a friendly with Rangers 😊
The north bank was scarfers.
Yep people don't understand our main boys were Clock End boys.
Shitters afc top boys never there unless yids or icf came
Everybody wanted to take the North bank Arsenal as it's the most famous end in London, though few managed it. Chelsea shed the next most famous. Most people outside London couldn't even tell you what the ends at spurs, West Ham and Millwall are called.
Most firms never came to Upton park to find out,
@@kayabent9766 arsenal always did
I think there were a lot more fights that have been missed out. Give them credit.
My first football match live was Juve Arsenal. April 1980 Turin. I was a child but I still remember riot into the stadium Comunale. Gooners was down on me and Juve ultras came from the Filadelfia when Arsenal score at last minute.Good fight until the old bill arrive.For me good firm in the early 80.I was there 2 years before whenn celtic supporters was stabbed, I see Rangers, Liverpool, Manchester utd e city but arsenal supporters was the best in Turin
Definitely respected and regarded in the 80s as a top firm ... Been to Highbury plenty of times with Utd a moody place sometimes.. First time was 1975 the old clock end was an open terrace utd probably had a good 8000 there at least...seemed to be no segregation arsenal fans were in there aswell it kicked off downstairs at the snack bar Fkn chaos.. i was 16 year's old shitting bricks but i was hooked 😂 Utd always turned up though to every London club and before anyone says were all from there give your head a shake..
The Arsenal boys stood in the Clockend to be closer to the away fans. The Northbank was full of kids that sang.
why stay in clock end and watch northbank get hit over and over, you should be in there v london firms
@@henryclarke5363 and sometimes they did. Would then get escorted to the Clockend away section. Then the carnage began.
Clockend l like all away ends in the early days were unsegregated and that was were you would get home mob who meant business.
@@markharrison3096 funny I remember going in the northbank with Utd in 82 about 2.30 there was a row an we done well got taken out an walked to clock. Arsenal mob chanted Utd an followed us an return the compliment in the clockend. Can’t imagine that know but it was going on all over the country haha
@@redflag8970 haha, yes remember it well. 👍👏👏
Luton had big battle with cockney reds after a match mid 80s
Numerous battles with the herd too
Ye think that was the 1.1 game 85 to 86 we were going for 11 straight wins. However there was always some action there
U bit soft son cockney reds are man utd 😂😂😂
Arsenal were big early day's and underrated there after CFC NORTHSTAND!%%%%👊
In the 1980's Arsenal were head and shoulders above any other firm. No one could live with them. Never saw another firm get a result against them..
Mate i'm a Gooner but you have been talking a lot of shite in the comments. True we had one of the best mobs around after 84 but don't start with the we never got done nonsense.
Better, less organised mob in mid late 70s. All in Clockend.
Was thinking the same - Those that were invovled know what we were about, and there is no doubt that we were one of the best in the country in the early - mid 80's, but to suggest no one got the better of us it total and utter nonsense. A couple of people have mentioned Luton, I can definitely remember things not going well there on more than one occasion and there were several more days when I wished I had just gone shopping with the other half instead!!!@@zigzung5569
@@zigzung5569 Nice one man. Great mob but everyone comes unstuck.
Head and shoulders, at no time have you ever been recognised as the best, in London, maybe in the late 60's and early 70's you were probably 3rd behind West Ham and Millwall, but then went rapidly downhill. Chelsea and Spurs took you place and you went further down the ranking in the mid 70s until the early 80's when it was becoming harder to take ends due to all ticket games and more police presence in grounds. Arsenal don't and never did pose any resistance to West Ham until 1982 but we still got in and stayed the whole match in the North Bank. Arsenal were never a problem to us, you may not like it, but its what we think of you..
Most fans that came in the north bank all get there early
True. Remember Chelsea Boxing Day 1977 got in as soon as the gates open to an unopposed terrace. Got surrounded by OB and then claimed a result.
@PaulyRob
I was in the West lower seats, heard a massive roar about half an hour before kick off, hundreds of CFC came in, they were there the whole game
The only time I’ve seen Chelsea in the NB. So overall 3-1 to Arsenal.
I remember back in 1977 Arsenal v Westham in the North bank we had running battles with westham right up to halftime, one of the leaders off the north bank called Jenkins organization us , & westham never took the north bank that day , great days😂😂👍
are you talking about the game when west ham won 3v2 because west ham took the north bank and Arsenal never done anything to stop them. west ham also took it in tha FAcup quarter final in 1975 WHEN Alan Tayer got two goals.
I do remember arsenal3 westham2 78 we held our own. But were surrounded by West ham alone.
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in the 3v2 win for west ham ALAN Tayer got the winner west ham took the north bank easy.
Absolute bollox, WH took the North bank.But around Half time 100 Arsenal steamed into the 1000 WH and WH didn't want to know.
I am Yid who was there.
Arsenal top firm in London beginning 80s cass pendent film based on them and icf jela documentary admits it
More like from 84 i'd say. Never met Wall till 88 though in that infamous FA Cup game. Credit to them they ran us all over before the game until we got our act together and battered them at Whitechapel and London Bridge after the game.
@@zigzung5569 I'm Birmingham Zulus in 80s 90s we was untouchables big multicultural firm like yours Irish Jamaican English Scotch Welsh Romanys travllers Jewish Italian Cypriots and many more sum your lads come to Birmingham was high up in Zulus had family was arsenal in London sm Birmingham moved London follow arsenal
@@williamwootton9458 Reputation of the Zulus as a top mob is more than well known. Yeah i did hear that a few Arsenal boys who moved to Brum became well known faces in the Zulus, think maybe that's why Arsenals firm and the Zulus as far as i know never clashed? Maybe as well why Arsenals mob showed up at Villa and West Brom a few times.
Cass wasn't around in 70's ,we no police waiting for us,real battles.
@@zigzung5569 highbury fields after the game arsenal done v well!
Come on you lions
Just to correct the fact that in 1982 West Ham did not get escorted out of the North Bank and into the Clock end, we remained in the North Bank throughout the game. Helps to be factual as Arsenal and West Ham fans know this but supporters of other clubs may not.
I was there as a guest ,Leicester fan, but we'd been ro Norway the previous year and got on well with the West Ham so travelled down for this one. I can confirm West Ham never moved out of the North Bank quite a sight 😂
@@61modx
You were forced back into the top corner, mass fights after the game where you cowardly murdered one of ours JD RIP. Last time you ever got near us. We took it to West Ham all over east London after that.
I'm not a fan of either but was at the match with an Arsenal mate. West Ham were in the North Bank all the time with skirmishes continuing throughout the first half, mainly instigated by Arsenal, who I thought were surprisingly game. Hammers eventually pushed back to the left, and I think would have been in trouble if not for the police.
@@eddiemc10 nobody especially arsenal took the piss at upton park mate fact ⚒
The Arsenal firm were the only ones to take it to West Ham and Millwall away, no one else attempted it..
Not true Chelsea spurs a man united an a host of other clubs went . Gooners imo in the casual era were a good firm
Spurs 71,75,76,79 were in the NB@UP....run Millwall from Ilderton to New X in the famous 77 boxing day match, that's over a mile...talk about things you know
i went to all west hams games and to be honest ive never seen a Arsenal fan in the ground in the 70s
What absolute bollocks. Never took it to Chelsea either.
@@britishqueen94 Complete and utter bollocks.
i was 20 years old in 82 and was in the clock end. west ham fans came in from both sides and threw a orange smoke bomb into the middle. arsenal fans ran onto the pitch to escape. west ham fans were then forced by the police into the top left corner of the north bank. i can confirm west ham stayed in that north bank the whole game and at no time where they ever forced out by anybody.
Not exactly true mate , lots of us stayed and had a good go at the ICF , I've talked with a couple of old school hammers fans who were there and , begrudgingly, admitted they were surprised by the level of our fight back. And the only reason they stayed on the top corner of the North Bank was because the old bill dare'nt move them .
well im only saying what i saw mate. im not saying that some arsenal didnt try and defend themselfs but from the clock end it looked like a military operation by west ham
Was there as 17 Yr old had many West Ham mates and we was fighting West Ham from both sides , held our own that day
After 1982 Icf never attempted Arsenals North bank again, think that says it all mate @garyedwards9759
i remember that west ham did not run they was one of the best firms
That first pic is of united..that's banana Bob in th blue!🙄👹
Oh bloody hell, you again🙁😒
@@hooligoonerherdeie9682..lol!😅👍...I know it's stupid,but I loved those days so much,as you know it was a drug..just can't let go..I know it's in you too..take care fella!👹
@@mickfoskett6629 same to you buddy🤣🤣🤣🍻🥃
@@hooligoonerherdeie9682👏👍
For what I would call the little London clubs, your spurs's, Chelsea's, West Ham's and Millwall's, their cup finals were always when they played Arsenal, they always got their biggest crowds for their home games against the gunners and always took their biggest away followings when they went to Highbury (Often bigger than their home attendances in the case of Chelsea and Millwall). You could always spot their firms a mile off as their dress sense would normally consist of donkey jackets or the homeless look, where as the Arsenal firms always were very dapper and always looked the business in their designer wear...
That's a biased comment if ever I read one!
Ha! Ha!
To be honest in the 70s at west ham no other london teams never came there .the only fans at came were man utd. and notts forest when they one the League.
I saw all the London teams come to Upton Park. Perhaps Arsenal were a tad better.@@marting9318
@@marting9318 Arsenal used to have thousands of fans in all four stands at Upton Park in the 1970's look at the old videos and you will see loads of red and white scarfs..
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Does anybody know why they called gooners I know let's see if anybody knows
Was a spin off of yids calling us goonies, D, decided we would be known as gooners.
@@FRANK-ri1rs it came about in 78 in a pub in north London arsnal firm was call the herd there was a few everton and when they said gunners it sounded like gooners ever since that night the word gooners stuck I know because I was there fact
Yids started it.
@@neilhumphrey4197Try again mate Arsenals mob in 78 were not known as the Herd, the 70's Arsenal had lots of little mobs from all over the place.
Some from estates in Islington like the Packington mob, Chapel Market boys, but you also had the Irish mob from Kilburn, good little black mob from Hackney and a good few others but we were not known as the Herd till the early 80's.
Chelsea were always in the North Bank usually ended up half and half with a line of police in the middle
Stop inventing shit mate there's never been a single game at Highbury where the North Bank was split in half with police in the middle, didn't happen mate. Only mob to stay in the North Bank was the ICF in 82, Chelsea had a go in 84 and you were run out after initially being on top.
Bullshit
@@markharrison3096 you were obviously never there as it’s a fact
@@colindoherty1891 are you talking pre mid 70s? Because I was there every game after and it didn't happen. Fact.
Came in a few times but the last time you were pushed over to the left but we were both having a go through the police lines. We still had the topside though.
When Arsenal played another London club at Highbury it was always the other London clubs cup final. Spurs, West Ham and Chelsea would always come together to give them a chance..
That’s nonsense surely you are on a wind up.
Never known my club to join up with another club to take on arsenal 😂
What a load of old pony about the North Bank.
Millwall took the old town big time
Rubbish,We run Millwall after fa cup final 79' at charing cross station.
Lol did it contribute to the league position er no. Knuckle draggers
Mug😒🤡
@@zansportsnewstv473 yeah the handle of your mug broke off knuckle dragger 🤔
@@kevwoods6827 oi you, shut it.
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I can recall in my pagan days as an ex-hooligan that Arsenal's main boy 'Denton' and his boys of the Herd & Gooners, where ambushed and got run all over the place from Luton Town BOLTS CREW & MIGs Crew in the 80'S, near the railway station. And one of Arsenal's top 'Gooner's' was unfortunately badly cut across his face. The reason why Millwall and other hooligans from other clubs rioted that evening in the F.A Cup was because Luton Town had the best feared small tight-knit firm in the country for several years, true fact!
God bless everyone, as it takes a real man to walk away from a fight, as violence only breeds violence!!!!
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Luton do have a good firm....but let's stop all this bollox, and quote....there was never any other London teams joined up to go to Luton..fact ...we took 9,000 there,smashed your wooden gates down and pushed in...there was walkers by the corner flag opposite end and to the left of away end and Luton was giving as good as they got....but this was the 80s...why would Millwall who probably had one of the best firms in London if not the country...so I'm not knocking migs as they are game....but it just didn't happen. Sorry!
Remember going Luton,it was 2-2 think it was a cup match .. arsenal had the whole end and tried to knock the wooden gates down.. arsenal were big in numbers back in the day .
Hahahahahaha nice story mate, shouldn't it have began "Once upon a time?"
Arsenal got horrifically done down in Luton
I remember hearing 3 arsenal got stabbed that day in an.ambush
Don’t make me laugh there could not run a bath
Ah shut up😒
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Do shut up😒
Complete bollocks we used to smash totteringham
1970 and 1980s arsenal got done by wesham spurs Chelsea I was there from a millwall fan arsenal always run great football team but hard fans never
Complete and utter drivel. I can name two instances of them doing Millwall and... I'm Millwall.
I can’t remember Arsenal being violent. They have a huge public school support: By far the biggest
You here just making shit up then?
@@jimmybalantyne5545Lmao some clueless mugs write complete nonsense online for attention, ignore the troll.
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You must have seen that on the harry enfield show.
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Don't make me laugh - Tottenham always took over shitbury no problem, it only stopped when all seater stadiums came in ! and you never got any arse fans entering Tottenham's shelfside 👊 never heard of the herd ???? 🤣
Obviously stayed in your bedroom and play with your Pokémon cards. Why don’t you venture out and ask some of your proper lads.
u sound 20
Chelsea in the North Bank gave it a proper go on the opening game of the '84 season, our first season back in the old First Division for a while. Wonder why that's been overlooked?
As an Arsenal fan, Can honestly say I've never seen as much away support as you lot brought to Highbury that year
What Arsenal in the Shed 1974,didn't. get. a mention.
@@tonyhenryvii9202
73 the year of the yellow paint.
Cause it aint true
@@markhilbert6573ok 😂
Complete bullshit westham or spurs were removed from the north bank both stayed in the whole game. No point making up garbage. Spurs were also in then 83
Not being funny but the reason West Ham and Spurs used to target the North Bank is because they knew our main mob weren't in there. Interesting no mob ever tried coming into the Clock End though apart from in the allocated away section.
@@zigzung5569 we used to have all the clock end back in those days
@@rickwakefield1438 Mate don't embarrass yourself and say Spurs ever took the Clock End. If you do then it just proves you're talking out of your ass.
@@zigzung5569 mate your embarrassing yourself u obviously didn't go back In the days didn't have to take it .was allocated the whole clock end late 70s until ticket allocations changed .only person embarrassing themselves is yourself as your boys were in the north bank when spurs and westham were up there. I also remember later days arsenal were also in the clock end ran In the side the players came out but that was it .u obviously wasnt there or have a one sided memory
@@zigzung5569well thats strange cos the game in 82 i was in the clock end with thousands of other west ham fans and when the police eventually ejected about 50 or so west ham from the north bank they walked them round the pitch and put them in the clock end.
..Tha narrative in this is confusing at times, as the Glasgow Rangers Firm was also called the ICF.