Give Me an Answer - If Atheism Is True We Will Never Know Anything Other Than We Are Fertilizer!
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- Program 1621 ................... - Atheism/Theism - The Early Church - Sinfulness - Absolutes
The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
#Evidence #Christianity #Jesus #apologetics
I cannot get enough of these conversations.
You're an Atheist because they love to argue these conversations until you stop them. Just because a person doesn't believe in the Christian faith doesn't make it not true.
YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
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All atheists need to read the book "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel (also a movie). He was an atheist on a mission to disprove Jesus Christ once & for all. But the more he looked at all the evidence he changed his mind & found the truth. God bless that brother & all people honestly seeking peace for their souls. ☺🙏
The book is full of fallacies. Paulogia debunked that book superbly!
I have read it - not only can I refute it but other Christians can even refute Strobel's book. There is a Christian historian named Laura Robinson who debunks Strobel quite nicely.
Lee Strobel also had to correct a huge error he made with the first edition of the Case for Christ. He believed in the Varderman Coin claims that archaeologist McRay told him about, but it ended up being completely false.
Not only that but Lee only interviews evangelical Christians in the book - and never any non-Christian scholars. This is completely dishonest and it gives Lee permission to cheat, which does not sit well with me. An honest journalist interviews both sides - not just the side he believes in. Lee Strobel is a joke - and a bad one at that.
YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
@@Praise___YaH No one can even show that Moses even existed. As far as your claims are concerned I would have to consult a phd Christian scholar, a phd Jewsih scholar, and an atheist bible scholar. If they all agreed that your claims were correct, you might have something - but I doubt that.
I have read (actually listened) this very book and found each argument presented to be fallacious or not based on sound premises. The only population that find Strobel's arguments convincing are those who were already convinced.
Ever notice that when we get the answer to a question that’s limiting us, we don’t say, “Oh wow! That’s amazing! Maybe I need to reconsider my position.” Instead, we say, “Well, what about…?” and ignore the fact that an excellent answer was just given to our first question.
Yeah, thats because our ego and identity is attached to the argument. We can't even begin to imagine we are wrong because what that would entail is too painful a thought. Instead, we jump to another 'what about this' instead of taking the argument, understanding and deconstructing it. I sometimes don't change my mind, not initially because my emotions are attached so I understand when others don't change their minds either. We are human, not completely rational.
Exactly. Amount of objection does not equal validity of objection
That's very true. People have way to big egos
Anyone opening this comment and it's been at least 1 month since the last comment on this thread. Could you just type a little @arie anne so I'm reminded of the truth these people spoke. Thank you
@@arieanne3507 sure thing!
This asian guy makes no sense. Even if all things come from God, even evil, doesn't absolve the individual of choice.
The kid right from the very beginning is right the book of Isaiah says God creates all things. Is Satan a Creator or humans a Creator? did we synthesized and create anything? Did Satan synthesized and create anything from nothing? No, God has seen the end from the beginning and he created the end from the beginning knowing that evil would come about therefore he did create evil because God has created all things there is no way around that. But where people get it twisted is they think that is wrong but God has the right to create from his will as he wishes for his own Divine will.
Also the Apostle Paul writes about the saved being predestined and the Saints being predestined because God has chose them from the beginning so in that sense no there is no free will the Bible not once says that men have free will it may feel free to us but God has seen the end from the beginning and he is the only Creator therefore he has created the end from the beginning. Including all of your choices
@@kalobrogers235 nope. The correct translation is calamity, not evil.
@@chapter404th calamity, destruction, chaos, evil. They are all correct and mean the same thing in essense. Is destruction good, is calamity good? Is destruction neutral is calamity neutral? No, they are all in essence evil.
@@chapter404th did Satan create evil, and therefore is a partaker in creation and therefore part of God the one true God? No, he is not a creator everything physical and nonphysical was created by God good and evil light and darkness, all things. Because there is no other creator.
Church bells ring at the perfect time amen.
I was just about to say the same thing 😄
Yes. This happens on another of these video's too at the exact right moment.
Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven amen 🙏🏾✝️
"I AM the way, the truth, and the life, nobody comes to the Father except through me".
- Jesus
Only if heaven exists
Which is unlikely
@@GraftedOliveBranch
Dave said something similar
@@jasonnoble7814
I've known Dave for years. He would never say something like that.... It's just not something that Dave would ever say.
@@GraftedOliveBranch
Do you know Dave and also that the Christian God exists ?
I'm always heartened to see the group of kids just sitting on university steps listening to this debate. This is what real education looks like.
Amen
I applaud the questioning. It’s evident that, in most cases, these kids have read something. But, I think many of their questions demonstrate that they’ve not really read enough, especially the Bible, and other sources to validate or invalidate their beliefs.
They’re not getting their arguments or ideas from the source material. They’re parroting arguments from projects like Zeitgeist.
8:22 that clock always has the most powerful and impactful timing possible, LOL
I just love this guy named Cliffe, he has such a great way of talking to people, God bless him and his family ❤️
12:42 This is where the guy's worldview falls apart. His argument is that according to him it's intolerant for us to call out other cultures' evil when they slaughter people in order to become man. Imagine if HE was the one being chase by these savages. Lol, he would change his tune rather quickly.
That student understands culture but he doesn't understand secular morality or the basis for such morality within a culture or society.
Even then he is less ridiculous than Cliff, the jumping jester :)
@@onlimi616
And that basis is? Rational and consistent or merely pragmatic?
@@jessebryant9233 Well, of all of the secular morality explanations that I've heard, I like Matt Dillahunty's the best. And that is, if people can agree that the happiness and well being is the goal of the society, then you can objectively measure whether actions "morally" agree with that or not. So for example, take that story in the Bible where men went to war but didn't have enough virgin women spoils of war to go around for all the men, so they hid in bushes and stole women from a village. You can argue that was morally wrong because though it makes the men happy, that goes against the happiness and well being of the kidnapped women. So, do you get the idea?
@@onlimi616 Here is why Matt's explanation doesn't work. Because the people saying that happiness and general well being of society should be the goal get that moral standing from God not themselves. If there was no God we would have no concept of what good is. We are made in God's image that's why we have morality.
The kid is a smart cat, but Cliffe has a firm but loving rebuttal for everything.
Love this young man's questions. He needs to give these questions to David Lynn and Frank Turek. That would be an interesting watch!
Would be cool but idk if they would’ve answered this any better
The gentleman in the glasses was fascinating to watch. He stumbled all over his words and made insane logic leaps. Not to mention he would bring up a point, stand on it, then when cliff would answer, he would immediately jump ship to a new point.
Blessings 🙌the heart of sin is pride.
100%
I think that smart young man Cliffe was talking to in the second half of the video is going to come to faith in the Lord. He's on his way. Go Cliffe!
Without God , hope, faith, love sure is a return to dust before Adam
I don’t understand how someone can devote so much time in reading so many other bibles from other religions and not believe in God. If you don’t believe in the Lord then don’t purposely disrespect him
They can't disrespect God tell they know and if you know then you tasted of the world to come, see acts 5
I don't believe in Big Foot. Am I purposely disrespecting him?
@@colinmatts no lol like I said you have to know, ppl have faith bigfoot is real, faith is believing without seeing
@@colinmatts Yes you are disrespecting bigfoot. And when you die, he's going to stomp you! So you'd better start believing in him and being nice to him now! And if it turns out he's not actually real, well you haven't lost anything. But if he is real, you won't get stomped after you die. So you better believe in him and say nice things about him, waddaya got to lose?
@@onlimi616 Where do I join the church of Big Foot. You've really scared me now.
Zoroastrianism was nearly dead for almost 12 centuries, from about 600 AD to 1800 AD. Today there are still less than 1 Million adherents (far fewer than Judaism). As a consequence, it is believed about 3/4 of the verses in the Avesta were lost to antiquity, and the oldest manuscripts date to 1010 AD, not thousands or hundreds of years BC. Modern Zoroastrianism bears little resemblance to its roots. In fact, the book of Isaiah (first reference to the Promised One's birth to a virgin, suffering & death, and resurrection) was written before 500-600 BC, when Zoroaster was born! Zoroastrianism's first references in other documents of antiquity were from the period of Babylonian captivity of the Hebrews, so it is clear Zoroaster copied from Judaism, and not vice versa.
There is simply no comparison to Christianity, which has grown continuously from a few hundreds beginning in the 1st century AD until the present day total of about two Billion adherents. Millions more come to Christ each year. It is estimated more than one-third of the world will be Christian by 2100, and if it were not for the rapture of the church prior to Christ's return, I don't doubt some 10 Billion believers (half of the world's population) would exist by 2150. Christian scriptures add a New Testament to Hebrew scriptures (called the Old Testament), and together, these 66 books provide a complete history of the Earth from its Creation to about 120 AD, some 4500 years later. While the Bible isn't strictly a history book, every book of the Bible can be traced to an actual time, place, and in many cases, an author. The Zoroastrianism Avesta doesn't even attempt to provide history, but only fantastical (imaginary) account of the creation of a man and a bull by Ahura Mazda as the source of all living things.
"Numbers of people" does not equate to "therefore factual claims". Just sayin'.
@@DRayL_ that was the first 2 sentences. Did you read the rest?
@@Malhaloc What's your point? I addressed what I wanted to address. That "numbers of people believing don't make the claims therefore true".
As for "the Bible as a history book",....that can be debated [and _is_ debated] at the university level religious studies programs.
@@DRayL_ your false intellectualism is showing
@@cjtrouble It's fascinating how you can know a person based upon one comment from 2 years ago. Well done.
Great to see a student who dares to actually think..
I agree 👍
You mean "think" as you do?
@@clearascrystal4960 debating and not insulting more like it, cliffe doesn't just talk to people who think like him.
If you don't know the answer is it's all about faith which is trusting God.
Hebrews 11:6
"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
I think you’re right and I have none. And I never had any, not even as a child. Religion is completely irrational. It all may be true but it’s so illogical that it requires faith that I cannot supply.
@@chriswinchell1570 I feel the same way, chris. It isn't possible for me to "just have faith". It will never be something I could be honest about if it is "just faith".
@@chriswinchell1570if i may(no disrespect to Cliffe) but id like to encourage you to search " atheist says, "give evidence your God exists without using your.." Its under the channel of The Beat by Allen Parr.
He has a guest on and its really quite rich content. Hope it helps.
@@tannyaj4051 Hi Tannya. I dont think there’s a god but I wouldn’t want one anyway. A god would explain everything and that would be eminently depressing.
@Chris i would like you to rethink it. Went would you even bother watching the debate unless you were interested in the truth to be revealed. Just do yourself the favor and watch it okay? I can assure you, there's an entire different reality waiting for you. The Way to The Life is through THE Truth. Humble your heart. It doesn't have to be this hard. You don't gave to go through life defending what you do not know.
Christ's existence literally split time in half. It's the year 2021. Ok 2021 years since what? The life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I think someone that makes that big of an impact that 2000 years later we base out time on Him.
@_@ Because.......the current calendar was set up BY Christians ~ 500 years after the claimed events. Christianity became a powerful entity at that time,....so....how is this supposed to be impressive?
So true man.. He has made the biggest impact on the Earth.
I don't think Christianity was necessarily a powerful entity within the first 500 years after Christ. You were beaten and killed holding any such beliefs. Rome along with many others like the Jews didn't want Him being followed. But he made such a profound impact on 1000s of people all over the known world at that time that it couldn't be kept quiet. That says Son of God to me. That says He is exactly who who said he is and the world today is proof enough for me to see it an believe the Word of the Living God.
@@kylestringer9191 Of course it was. It was the official religion of Rome in 323 CE.
The number of people who believe a claim doesn't equate to that claim being "therefore true".
But I believe that 500 or more people who are willing to be beaten tortured and killed all because they wouldn't say that no they had not seen the risen Christ gives pretty good credibility to the claims. I don't know anybody who would willingly die a brutal death for what they know to be a lie.
"Zoroaster's (Zarathustra's) mother Dughdova was a virgin when she conceived Zoroaster by a shaft of light."
so? th-cam.com/video/3x6aOBqc9d0/w-d-xo.html
A shaft of light 😂
Who would cause a Virgin to give birth?
>all powerful designer of the cosmos simulation
> 🔦
Keep them videos coming cliffe,God bless
i just cant understand how all those students think they have a point and repeat it and NEVER listen. They are all capable of listening and understanding and the proof of that is their own question, but then they DONT LISTEN to the answer and just keep going in circle..... Is that how education works over there? repeat it until is true?
Could say the same back the other way
Daily reminder Jesus loves you amen 🙏🏾✝️
Amen brother.
No he doesn't. Your religion is as wrong and silly as all the others.
@@valroniclehre193
LOL... Says the person who is obviously an Atheist and therefore believes that nothing can produce something. 🙄
@@GraftedOliveBranch I don't believe that though. Yet I get the feeling you will still stick me with it.
@@GraftedOliveBranch 🤦🏻 This kind of arrogance even with such level of ignorance is what is so telling about thiests and their thinking process.
When people say "you have no other proof but one book, the Bible" they do not understand that Bible is not one book, it is a collection of many books and letter by many authors talking about the same events.
Its like if some historian would collect all the historical info about Napoleon in one book, then some atheist would read it and afterwards say, "come on, just one book about him and you expect me to believe Napoleon existed? Not buying that".
exactly! lol These kids need to be taught correctly. I used to be one of them that thought the same.
Sort of. But the Caubus and Byblis, written by Ovid in the Metamorphoses is going to date at the time of Christ. Did you discard this book to empower your own language? Here we refer to Latin literature and not Mesopotamian (your Messiah/semetic teacher). Do you give credit to the language or the people? Sounds like you want a great story and people to believe behind it. Further, history was defined by a Greek man with a revelation. So to assume we will all use it with a comb of truth is far-fetched. I will weigh the purified gold and declare it's value; I will not take your word as decrypting your history to decipher a moment of truth is asinine.
but don't some of them contradict the others??
The bible condones slavery.
But can you provide ANY _evidentiary facts_ that can substantiate the Christian claim that a god exists? Yes or no.
These are amazing man. keep making these
Numbers 6:24-26,
Deute. 28, Joshua 1:7-8,
Psalms 1,
Psalms 24,
Haggai 2:8,
Psalms 139,
Daniel 3:25-26,
Jonah (4:2),
Matthew 4:23-24,
Matth. 6:9-15 & Matth. 12:31-32
Matth. 17:1-5 & Matth. 28:18,
Matthew 18:21-35,
Matthew 25:31-46,
John 1:1-3 & 1:14,
John 4:23-24,
John 8:32-58,
John 10:10 & 10:30,
John 11 (vs. 25-26),
John 14:6-7,
11 Timothy 3:16-17,
Revelation 18, Revelation 19,
Revel. 20:10-15, Revel. 21:8,
From my experience in life I've come to the conclusion that people who label themselves Atheists are clearly not teally athiests they are in fact angry or scared believers in a supernatural creator and thus they have to purposely go out of their way to argue against God, ridicule and demean religions (although notably Christianity because its easier to bash without fear of retribution (on earth).
A real non believer wouldn't give themselves a label and wouldn't spend a second reading, debating or arguing with a Christian about whether God exists or not.
Its like calling yourself a "non-Knitter" and letting everyone know you're not a knitter, because you don't do knitting and then spending half your life reading up about how pointless knitting is in order to attack knitters.
Most people who really don't care about Knitting don't get involved with anything to do with knitting
And don't get me started on Vegans.
They are the atheists of meat eating.
Stop referring to The Holy Bible as just a book! It literally means "The Holy Book". Not 'Holy Book' 'The Holy Book'. 99% of books have one author and are on one subject/topic. The Bible is a collection of books, songs and poetry covering over 60 authors and over 2500 years of time. Not like an Encyclopedia, but like a collection of historical records from multiple sources over a very long time.
Why is the first kid not understanding that mankind's standards of good and evil is not God's standard? I don't see the issue with understanding and accepting that.
Ours is better.
@@DRayL_ No. Human standards of good and evil are not better. They never have been... Lol.
@@dazaiel8081 Sure they are. You're just seeing it from a very biased position. There are things that the Biblical "god" has been claimed to have done that I could never, nor would ever, actually do.
@@DRayL_ I'm not seeing it biasedly. Human standards simply do not solve the problem of sin that condemns us already. No amount of "good" works, is enough to pay the wage of sin.
Also, God is the foundation of morality, take him out the picture and you're left with moral standards that lack objectivity. Which is why they're not better standards.
And, yeah, obviously you wouldn't have done what God has done... You're not a morally perfect being. No wonder, Daevon.
@@dazaiel8081 The "god" of the Bible isn't good either. People just insist that it is because a group of people, long ago, claimed it to be the case. I don't think any actual 'god" exists. Those who created it were the imperfect ones who [then] set up an imperfect "god", then claimed it to be "perfect". It's not at all the case.
The Biblical "god" is not even remotely a "foundation for morality'. Again, these were beliefs of ancient people only, and because they were barbaric, so was their "god concept", because it was all they knew.
I never claimed anything as unattainable as "perfect morality". I am just stating that the Biblical "god" is far from even our level of morality. Again, people just insist that its actions are "perfect".
I like his way of teaching that no matter how much people is disagreeing with him he still Tell's them that their right when they are
I have a question. In Isaiah 45 7 it does say
I form the light , and create the darkness: I make peace and create evil : I the lord do all these things.
I’m lost here. He said god doesn’t create evil. Scripture is saying otherwise.
I liked how the bells went off as soon a he said those things of Jesus
actually, there are many accounts of Jesus from non-religious leaders one of such is Roman Senator Tacitus in his book Annals book 15 chapter 44, "Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus..."
YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
Have you actually read _Annals?_
Proof for miracles? Or just stories.
When the young Asian man kept saying “but they’re all in the Bible” I was hoping cliff said something like “so you take away the validity of something because a group came before you and asked the same questions as you and then put that evidence together already”
YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
20:00 Motivation: A better life with more options for myself and my descendants, in order that they can be free to live as THEY choose without violating the rights of others. Never assume things will not get horribly worse, and for a very long time. The keys are freedom and rights applied as equally as possible.
Very arbitrary and self-centred, but at least you've thought about it.
@@junkiedropouts3186 Ya. U think of strangers 1st! Buhahaha! Infant
I am intrigued at looking at the faces of the people who are listening to this great apologist.
As an ex-atheist whom God answered, I ask if some just don't want to know the Truth...yet. I hope and pray they will, but, I think it will take some tribulation.
It cannot be called "the Truth" if there isn't actual, credible, verifiable, repeatable [independently] evidence for the claim. I get that you think a "god" answered you.
@@DRayL_ That is your opinion, however if you are demanding that something not physical or spiritual be proven by "science" then you won't get any (at this time anyway). However there is plenty of evidence that life cannot come from nothing, or non-living matter. At age of 10 or 11 I thought of the eye (which we were probably studying) while walking home from school and looking at my hand and everything else around, and was amazed at how something physical can process anything not touched. That was my first remembrance of a Creator God. It was evolution taught as fact in honors history class that took away my belief, thinking it was "science" as taught. Science can only give physical information. It's the "scientist" that interprets it, and there are scientists on both sides of the issue. I say aquatic fossils on dry desert land is an indication of a flood. Since they are worldwide, a worldwide flood. That's my opinion. Evolutionists deny this. That's their opinion. I get that nothing I say will show or mean anything to you unless you have your own encounter.
@@clearascrystal4960 I'm not "demanding" anything. But I'm not seeing anything to go on either. Just people making claims and expecting others to believe their claims.
"However there is plenty of evidence that life cannot come from nothing, or non-living matter."
If you break a lifeform's body/structure down to its base elements, you would not consider them "life".
"I say aquatic fossils on dry desert land is an indication of a flood. Since they are worldwide, a worldwide flood. That's my opinion. Evolutionists deny this. That's their opinion."
This isn't a topic of "evolution", but of geology. Tectonic plate movement constantly pushes land up. It's how mountains are formed. That land once was under the ocean....and why it can have small fossils of shells.
"...unless you have your own encounter."
I am _totally_ up for an encounter. Have been for decades.
@@DRayL_ :) Happy to hear that. Something I did after God answered me (saved my life actually) was read the gospels for myself. What I concluded was I wished I could have lived 2000 years ago to see for myself. I would have wanted to know this "Man" Who claimed He Was "The Truth". Within a year of seeking the One who answered me on "what is Truth", I met Jesus. Yes, God will show you Truth.
@@DRayL_ Re: This isn't a topic of "evolution", but of geology. Tectonic plate movement constantly pushes land up. It's how mountains are formed. That land once was under the ocean....and why it can have small fossils of shells.....it's geological how something happened. It's theory when it happened. That's when evolutionists take over.
Less then 10% of people could read or write and those people weren’t average peasants. Of course they didn’t waste their time writing it down for a while. Not to mention Israel and Judah had passed things down by mouth for thousands of years since Moses so they were trained to not lose information in that way.
LC ! So are you arguing in favor of the bible or against it?? Word of mouth is the least reliable of all!
@@j.whisper2379 use your head. Not when thousands of people know it. You forget something you get corrected in the culture. Literally everyone knew it and would quickly get corrected. At Pentecost 3 thousand Jews learned the story and exploded it across the nations as God intended. These people were extreme. They had nothing but their faith and very little pleasures. Plus the Apostles wrote them. Not like we go off of word of mouth. No it wasn’t wrote down by random people hundreds of years later if that’s what your implying. And all text are translated from the same scriptures, they didn’t copy one after another slowly losing things. You should dive deep into these things. Heaven and Hell is on the line. You aren’t just going to die. I hope you put the pride down, and realize just what your getting ready to cost yourself. Your life is short and those sins aren’t worth it. Your pleasure is extremely short but hell fire is not transient.
@@LC-jq7vn ! Hellfire! LOL! Commit child abuse and threaten your young children with that nonsense! Exploded it across the nations?? Funny the Chinese, Japanese, Thai, the Aborigines in Australia the oldest nation, and so many other older nations knew nothing of your flavor of BS, they had their own! Everyone is an atheist at birth, then you are thoroughly indoctrinated into your particular line of nonsense! If you were born in India you would worship Kali, if in Saudi Arabia, you would believe Muhammed flew to heaven on a winged horse, instead you believe in your line of fiction! Good luck with that! LOL!
@@LC-jq7vn ! Use my head? Hmm! Thousands of people knew it! And they all had the same story and had it straight! I can see that! LOL!
@@LC-jq7vn ! You bible thumpers are hilarious!! LOL!
Sheesh never been so early
Regarding alleged virgin births before Christ's, wasn't the same claim made in antiquity by Semiramis, the wife of Nimrod, the evil occultist? After Nimrod died, she hatched a great lie and claimed that Nimrod had reincarnated into her womb.
So, the contemporary civilization knew of the oracle, namely, that a deliverer was to come - vis-à-vis, the prophecy of Messiah.
Satan never has a legitimate original idea, and his next big mockery is to bring in a utopian kingdom. Of course, his pretense is a deception and a travesty. His idealistic scheme is outlined in Revelation (chapter 13). This is the very book under attack today.
Through 'peace' he (Mr 666) shall destroy many.
- Daniel 8:25
This book of Revelation is like steak and potatoes to the newborn in Christ. And, sadly, to the average Christian as well.
Osiris, Hercules, Hermes, Prometheus, Perseus, Romulus, and others compare to the Christian myth. According to Patrick Campbell of "The Mythical Jesus", all served as pre-Christian sun gods, yet all allegedly had gods for fathers, virgins for mothers; had their births announced by stars; had tyrants who tried to kill them in their infancy; met violent deaths; rose from the dead; and nearly all got worshiped by "wise men" and had allegedly fasted for forty days.
Even Justin Martyr recognized the analogies between Christianity and Paganism. To the Pagans, he wrote: "When we say that the Word, who is first born of God, was produced without sexual union, and that he, Jesus Christ, our teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven; we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter (Zeus)." [First Apology, ch. xxi]
Lucifer the copy cat ..His best is yet to come ..
@UCwBzTfX-eaAn4x2zdcBoaJw every religion has had an impact on the world in some way. Yours only survived by the destruction of similar competing religions by Constantine.
@@AnotherViewer I agree that at times Christianity should've died out as they were being martyred. And yet, why would it persist.
Under examination, there's only 2 types of religious concepts out here, when it's all boiled down. There's those that say, "Do". That's all of those which find redemption in themselves doing something.
Then there's Christianity which says "Done". Actually, Christ said it on the cross when He cried out: "It is finished."
Put your hope in the finished work of Christ on Calvary. Yes, we're willing to appear foolish for the sake of those that believe!
@@mrdandrea The martyrdom of Christians is over stated. And even those are just followers who were accused of breaking the law at the time (not giving sacrifices to the state religion). They were even accused of cannibalism at times (the whole eating of the flesh of Christ and drinking of his blood ritual)
But it was not until a it became the official religion with the backing of a tyrannous murderer that it flourished.
I feel the gentleman is dodging specific questions..
Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
This young man keeps the word and he’s in love with God’s true
They say they need more than the Bible which is a compilation of books to believe in Jesus, but they don’t complain that someone can get sent to jail for their entire life off 1 witness testimony.
Give an example of someone going to jail based on one person's testimony alone.
Does not happen
Or read Darwin and believe in evolution.
@@jasonnoble7814 when I lived in Arkansas back in the early 2000’s there where plenty of guys who got sent to prison for murder based off one person saying they saw them do it. Not only in Arkansas but plenty other states. I know somebody personally his name is rolando hart he went to prison for murder when he was 15 based off witness testimony. You should watch what you say before you say what doesn’t happen. There’s plenty of things that have never been written that would blow your mind about the reality you think you know so well. Thank God we have the Bible to record the greatest thing that ever happened in history. God Bless You.
@@jasonnoble7814 do you just come to David’s channel to argue with people? All the comments I see you making are about trying to argue.God bless you
@@obakhanjones2869
Name one person that eyewitness testimony put in jail ?
“I have plenty” isn't one sir
You have not given me anything like that here
The court system does not work like that. otherwise people could go around putting others in jail for crimes they did not commit
A prosecutor requires move evidence then what the courts call “he said she said evidence”
You're claiming 1 witness testimony put someone in jail
Give one example of this
I'll wait 🤷♂️
“I want different accounts”
“The Bible has different accounts”
“No I don’t want the Bible I want different accounts”
“…the…the Bible is literally a book of accounts”
“No I don’t want some dudes fairy tale, I want real people who saw this and accounted for it”
“SO YOU WANT THE LITERAL BIB-“
Edit: this was a joke…
Clem! That is the problem! The authors of the bible totally disagree about much of what they write. Which version of Genesis do you believe?
Religious books don't count as evidence for the religion.
@@valroniclehre193 it’s evidence because it’s a written document of historical events. Jesus did walk this earth and we have recorded information about him
@@frossa3211 What kind of history book doesn't date its major events? Its a fable.
@@valroniclehre193 different calendars with ad and bc.
9:25 “You don’t have any proof outside the Bible” There’s Tacitus in his work “Annals” and he wrote about Jesus.
Atheism is not a belief it can’t be true it’s a rejection of a claim we are not convinced that a god exist so that makes us atheists point blank period….
I believe it would be easier for Cliffe to speak about the Canaanites being of nephilim decent. They were not fully human. Genesis 6:4. They were non redemptive. Another good source is Dr. Michael Heiser on this issue.
They were not fully human - that’s how the Nazis justified the Holocaust.
Germans have a human bloodline Canaanites were of 1/2 human half not. Thus, non redemptive.
@@davey2236 Are you an idiot? I am referring to the victims of the Holocaust, not the perpetrators.
@@gweilospur5877 Genesis 6:4 should clear this up for you. If not, I suggest you read also Reversing Hermon by Dr. Michael Heiser a very well known theologian.
@@davey2236 The Bible cannot clear up it’s own nonsense.
So...we won't know anything when we're dead so we don't know anything now? Does not compute!
Not agreeing or disagreeing....I think what he means is, if atheism is true, then we are literally nothing more than molecules and cells randomly moving around, all by chance happening. Dawkins and Hawking even believe that, as Dawkins concluded that we just "dance to our DNA". If non living material happened to create life by chance, and "matter created mind"....then we aren't really "thinking", it is just one chemical reaction after another. Anyway like I said....not arguing, just speculating on what he means imho.
I think the reason why he said, "we don't know anything now" is because maybe athiesm can't justify why knowledge is important, why anything we know to be true is actually whats true, (as in how do we trust out own interpretation, how do we trust our own brains that made those interpretations and so on and on) I think there must be something thats from the very basic level that we are able to trust first which can in turn allow us to trust everything else that we should want to trust to then say, "okay this is true....that is true"
I think cliffe is saying that in athiesm there isn't really that base level thing that allows us to then trust everything else that we should be trusting. Because the reason for us trusting stuff isn't really justified outside of our own subjective interpretation that we then try to convince others of the same. Thats what athiesm is, I think thats what he may be trying to say. Because as a Christian myself, I dont really know what the point of any information would be in the athiest worldview. Why this? And why that? Like ask why all the way to the very base reason for being, and from there we could say, "okay all this for that one reason" it doesn't need to be God, but what is the objective reason for whatever knowledge we possess? If there is no objective reason thats beyond humans, then there really is no actual point other than to just fill yourself with knowledge. MAYBE
But for Christians, since God says we can trust him, and leads us to one piece of information, from that piece of information we can derive whatever other knowledge that we want, and why would we want to derive all that knowledge? What's the point of all this knowledge? To glorify God in his creation.
No. Look, if atheism is true, then we're never going to know that it's true. But if Christianity is true, everyone will know.
@@Malhaloc yup everyone will know that it is true, but only some will accept it as the truth and live accordingly
It's hard because you must be born again.
John 3:3
It’s crazy when they lose their track and defends other’s culture that tolerates murder motivated by evil, this kid is not processing these answers by Cliffe. God have mercy, praying for everyone.
That man had the audacity to say God was being intolerant to human culture. As if God wasn’t the one who made humans and the rules 😂 he lost all my respect there.
Prideful little rascal he is.
I believe evil is equivalent to darkness or coldness. It's not necessarily a thing, just the absence of the opposite.
Evil is the absence of good.
I think there is more to it than that. Jesus said these words:
Matthew 6:22-23
22¶The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
23But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. *If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!*
I don't think it's referring to a literal light when it calls darkness "a light", but I believe it's referring to an aura, something that emits from the very being of a person when they are in darkness that has actual properties to it.
It might be a corruption of an existing spiritual essence that at one point was pure and then was altered into a darkness, but there seems to me an actual presence evil that exists as a substance, it may still be true that it is the absence of good anyway, though it is an essence.
I'm just saying that there could be more to it, or perhaps you're correct, but I thought I would make mention of this scripture.
Evil is the suitcase term we use for things that are an affront to our perception of morality. It's not the absence of good. They aren't substances you can pump around.
@@valroniclehre193 in a natural sense they're not substances, but they can be supernaturally speaking.
@@Bi0Dr01d prove it
I believe that spouting religious nonsense is evil.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7
God created evil to punish it. So that we, his children, can know him. Without evil, we would not know that God has wrath. He made us to love us, and so that we could know him. Wrath is a part of God that God chose for us to know about him.
Also, we see his love for us more clearly when we see how it is for those who must suffer his wrath.
He created this contrast for us, his chosen.
@@astin771 Christian theology is really weird.
@@DRayL_ What is weird about it?
@@astin771 I don't need to explain what is obvious.
@@DRayL_ Right. No explanation. Just anti
Atheism can’t be “ true” or “ false”. Atheism is the position that no gods have been demonstrated to exist so there is no reason to believe in any of them.
Is that objectively true or subjectively? Lol
@@iffymarashi7700 Objectively, as it is true by definition.
So it’s objectively true that “atheism can’t be true or false.” So then what is it?
@@iffymarashi7700 EXACTLY
If it isn’t a truth claim then it can’t possibly be true and you are wasting a huge portion of your mind’s potential to abdicate your duties, obligations, and responsibility as a human being.
It’s good that he’s asking questions. I’m not sure that he is seriously listening to absorb the answers before he goes to the next topic. Western education is filled with skepticism. That is not interested in answers or thinking through topics. I hope this young man finds peace.
a universal church decided on the canon of the NT? ok, what were the names of those people? there was no printing press there was very little literacy, so how did a 'universal church ' decide? there was no opinion poll no votes from people all over the known world at the time. for someone who preaches about historicity, cliff denying the council of nicea putting the books together, is very disturbing.....
Thank you for your willingness to put yourself in front of these children...I am in awe of your abilities and thank God that you use them to his ultimate good.
I want to meet Cliffe
He and his family are nice people
If you go to heaven I'm sure you will if your going there in the first place.
@@Guthix198 LOLOLOLOLOL, if you are being sarcastic.
Do people actually think cliffe is a good debater?
How is he not?
🤣 you are better?
He better than you and me tho
@@unkindnoob6680 lol the f he is
I'm an atheist and I believe he's often wrong or using fallacies but he is a very good debater and speaker. He knows how to make ppl who are untrained in debating or rhetoric look stupid or corner them. However that doesn't mean he's right. He'd win against me in debating but against dillahunty he did not win
Have faith in LOVE.
Ridiculously stupid title.
He’s killing him with refutation to he’s worldview love this ministry it feeds me 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Here's a game you can play with friends. Let the bible fall open and do what ever it says on the page. The last one to go to prison wins.
XD
Now do the same with any history book. Yes, you are an idiot. You must believe that history books are just how to live life and have nothing to do will teaching lessons about what not to do. Please point out any teachings that prescribe evil actions to be done by Christians, or STFU! Moron often? Only7% of wars were religious wars yet the left say that religion is the source for the vast majority of warfare and evil actions by non Muslims. If you want to critique a religion, try focusing correctly on the teachings/writings and not the actions of imperfect people claiming to be of a religion and assuming the source is not from their imperfection cuz ignorant.
Now try that with just the New Testament and fail! Hint: New Covenant.
@@googletaqiyya184 He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. (Matthew 15:4-7)
There you go you religious f wit
@@googletaqiyya184 A priest’s daughter who loses her honour by committing fornication and thereby dishonours her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Many atheists say "the only honest position is 'I don't know'".
That is precisely the problem with atheism...
Atheism = *Never* knowing.
Atheism is the *guaranteed path* to live 70, 80, 90, 100, or more years, *STILL* wondering whether or not God exists...
It's a path with no hope. It's a path that's pointless. An atheist can sure make an argument about why he's not convinced of something, but one thing is for certain, you cannot go to an atheist to find the answers to the ultimate truth, and this is why an atheist is kidding himself.
If you're an atheist, do yourself a favor and get out of it. Stop trying to find reasons to justify your atheism, and start trying to actually find answers. These are two different things, *and they have two different kinds of results...*
I am not convinced that any god exists. So what exactly would you suggest I do?
@@theoskeptomai2535
To determine whether your question is a real question or not, >>> *What are you going to do if I do not give you an answer?...*
@@Bi0Dr01d So you're not going to answer my question?
@@theoskeptomai2535 Hey Theo!
A question was asked if atheists don't believe in the existence of God, then does God believe in Atheists? Well the answer was no... He doesn't believe in Atheists. Funny Huh?
Wanting to know and being able to admit that one doesn’t know is a sign of intelligence. Claiming to know, the exact opposite.
Either the last guys shirts on backwards or his heads on backwards. Something is off. Maybe the camera angle… 📐
OK Cliffe you have a special invisible friend, grow up.
Cringe. Oh boy you'll see one day. Sorry for you
Is the young man behind Cliff at 18:12 his son? He looks like Cliff.
Sometimes it's not so hard to put 2 and 2 together, is it?
Why did an "ALL KNOWING/ALL LOVING" God create human creatures that are capable of horrific child abuse and then give them this bullshit "free will"???
Only a sadistic evil "god" would do that.
You would rather be a mindless robot with no control over yourself? Thats called a slave.
God loves us so much He gives us the ability to choose. Those who choose to do those things don’t have the holy spirit with them. They have chosen to defile God.
@@AMKmusic96 YES ABSOLUTELY if I never had to read or hear about another horrific child abuse story and knowing my daughter and grandson would ALWAYS be safe, YES, I would give up this "free will" nonsense RIGHT THIS VERY SECOND
Wouldn't you?
@@AMKmusic96 Your all powerful god won't step in and stop the child abuse because he has to honor the freewill of the abuser. What about the free will of the child being abused? Sounds like an evil god to me.
@@AMKmusic96 here is some more "free will" for you, isn't this lovely?
nypost.com/2021/08/06/dog-buried-neck-deep-in-hole-rescued-in-california/
@@j_p_jr.487 the free will of the child is being abused hense defying God. There is punishment for those who harm children.
Luke 17:2
It were better for him, that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should scandalize one of these little ones.
God speaks against it but He will allow you to make choices even if that means making a bad one. A life isn’t a life if you are a slave not able to make your own choices.
Taking away your will is the same as the criminal, God is all loving so He doesn’t take your will against your own wishes.
The arrogance that people have to think that God needs to show them personally that he exists. Show them personally his miracles. God gave his son as a testament to his love for us. That is all that's needed.
Believing in gods, ghosts or other occult things won't change the fact that our bodies decay and return to the Earth.
Dont harden your heart
God shows all believers he is alive
Hello. I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending any acknowledgement as to the existence of gods until sufficient credible evidence can be presented. My position is that *_I have no good reason to acknowledge the existence of gods._*
And here is the evidence as to why I currently hold to such a position.
1. I personally have never observed a god.
2. I have never encountered a person whom has claimed to have observed a god.
3. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity.
4. I have never been presented a valid logical argument which also employed sound premises that lead deductively to a conclusion that a god(s) exists.
5. Of the 46 logical syllogisms I have encountered arguing for the existence of a god(s), I have found all to contain multiple fallacious or unsubstantiated premises.
6. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon.
7. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered _vice versa._
8. I have never experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event.
9. Every phenomenon that I have ever observed has *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity.
10. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have encountered have either been refuted to my satisfaction, or do not present as falsifiable.
ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the existence of a god.
I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding any acknowledgement until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstatiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._*
I welcome any cordial response. Peace.
It seems, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you believe all truth must be scientifically proven. If you can't scientifically prove it, in other words, it's not true. Am I in the ballpark?
Ok , so you have made a choice not to believe in GOD , ok. Why do you think it's someone's commission to make you believe?
@@Malhaloc Not even near the ballpark.
@@larzman651 What make you think I have made the "choice" to not believe in gods. Are you asserting you can choose what you believe?
@@theoskeptomai2535 you said you are an atheist that is supending any acknowledgment of GOD until credible evidence can be presented , that my friend is a choice not a feeling
Cliffe atheism is not a truth claim. It's simply saying we don't believe. We do not say it's false or it's true. Many atheists have vastly different beliefs.
I would like to know, if tomorrow you found out that there was no God. How much would your life change?
For me, I see evidence of a god. I see evidence for Jesus Christ being that God. I have a moral compass. I also have sympathy and empathy. At the same time, if I found out tomorrow that there was no God. I feel like I would live a lot different than I do now. I would be alot more selfish. I would believe that morally is subjective.
God does exist. Under the roof of your skull and there he should reside and be protected by all means because once he leaves these very limited surroundings he is bound to dissolve in thin air :)
@@walterdaems57 I'm with you on that. On a personal level. If somehow, someway you found out that God did not exist. How/How much would your life change?
Completely hypothetical.
@John Johns ...for people like you it's a good thing that you believe in god. If it takes you believing in god in order to be not selfish and act moral then by all means and for everyone's safety PLEASE keep believing in god.
For me, I see NO evidence of a god. I see NO evidence for Jesus Christ being that god. I have a moral compass. I also have sympathy and empathy. At the same time, if I found out tomorrow that there was A God. I feel like I would NOT live a lot different than I do now. I would NOT be a lot more selfish, AS I AM NOT SELFISH NOW. I would STILL believe that morally is subjective.
Used your own words, added my words in UPPERCASE.
@@johnjohns2278 I find your question to be a bit confusing. God speaks, when one receives Holy Spirit, they begin to communicate with God and he speaks back. One cannot then find out God doesn't exist as much as one can never later find out that their mother never existed. Your hypothetical question is impossible, because one has a personal relationship with the creator himself.
It is 100% moral to reject cultures that are not yours! Go be with those of your culture, and do not try and impose your rejected values on those of another one! It is 100% moral to fight against other cultures in your nation that is run by Democracy! Enough of another culture and your elections will be won by foreign cultures, and it is 100% moral to reject having to adhere to foreign cultural leaders values that differ from the one established for hundreds of years! How about a billion Chinese move to Nigeria? Guess what the official language of Nigeria will become, etc etc...
If the multitude of books is a symbol of truth, then truly, man is your god...! I admire this young man. He is on a journey trying to seek answers, with all hopes and prays, I Hope someone took notice... When he finds the truth, his Soul will be at peace, and his questions will be answer... God Bless
Thank you! If I had a dollar for every time a Catholic person told me that the Catholic Church put the Bible together, I’d be rich. The universal church and Catholic Church of today are not the same. God gave us the Bible.
Amen.
No, God doesn't exist, not existing makes it difficult to give things.
@@ivanbigcock426 yes he does. The universe didn’t create itself. That’s just silly.
@@sandina2cents779 You're using words that are loaded. Using "create" in your post here, is a Straw Man. No one is claiming that the universe was "created". To suggest that they are ....is just silly.
@@DRayL_ the universe did not come into existence by its self. Happy? Even top atheist such as Stephen Hawking are admitting that time space and matter had a beginning. Therefore it must’ve come into existence,. Things don’t coming to existence by themselves for no reason. Therefore it must have been created.
cliffe sucks at this..... he avoids the questions and gives 1/2 answers or no answers at all. watching him in any debate is a highway to atheism
Nice b8 m8
For example? What do you have for us? Highway to atheism? How so?
So theists have a real problem with their ego. Not only do they wish to live eternally but they also want some heavenly papa to be interested in their every move. Atheists are thankful for the short window of consciousness they can experience as the result of a marvelous cosmic accident.
AND they think that they are made in the "image and likeness" of God instead of the truth which is we are made in the image and likeness of Cheetah the Chimp
Is it ego for you not to go play in traffic on the interstate or to play Russian Roulette on the weekends? Do you not do it just because you want to live a little bit longer out of selfishness or do you affirm that your life has value?
To whom are you thankful?
@@Malhaloc I think there is a tiny difference between a little bit longer and eternity. I’m responsible for the little bit and I don’t care for some imaginary BFF in the sky to enforce the delusion of eternity.
@@walterdaems57 I agree with you on all those points, except the imaginary part. So then answer me this, what is the maximum number of years you are allowed to extend your life without it being based on ego? If you were about to die and someone offered you an additional X number of years, completely free of charge, what number would X have to be for it to be pure ego to accept, rather than just not wanting to die?
If you're not interested in eternity, no one's forcing it on you. It's 100% a choice. But don't act like it's somehow a noble and humble thing to turn down the offer. If you want to die, you're welcome to it. I'm sorry you've made that decision, but I guess that just means survival instinct isn't all it's cracked up to be.
You can ask me all the hypothetical questions in the world about prolonging life but they are all besides the point since the discussion is about that what happens after life has ended. Fertilizer or eternal being of light and glory in paradise (if you’re lucky anyway, otherwise it’s a story of eternal torture; the pancake has two sides).
You wish to believe in some deity to make eternal life happen for you. That’s what you wish to believe in. I acknowledge the force and might of that deity under the roof of your skull where he should reside and be protected by all means because once he leaves these very limited surroundings he is bound to dissolve in thin air :)
Im happy with what I got out of life and what I was able to put into life. If fertility is the next step and it obviously is without all the fairytales and self inflicted delusions, I’m completely at peace wit that idea without being Buddhistic about it.
And if my neighbor wishes to believe in golden spoons, heavens and glory of god, that’s fine also as long as he doesn’t start to meddle in my life because his fantasy gets the better of him, whispering all kind of delusional thoughts that supposedly are endorsed by the celestial bully he chooses to worship.
Asian kid has a lot to learn....
There's more than just popularity and acceptance. It had to be in keeping with the Jewish scriptures, and the traditions of the Church, given by the apostles, and with the writings of the previous bishops of the Church.
Cliffe's whole arguments falls apart if you point out that atheism doesn't make any claims to truth
@colinmatts
Atheists say all the time that they have "never seen" or that there no reasonable evedence for God. Believe it or not, this is a claim.
@@jahovashalom17 We are not "claiming" that we have never seen evidence. We are pointing it out as fact.
@@jahovashalom17It isn't a "claim" that we haven't seen good evidence. It's a fact
@colinmatts
You say
" It isn't a "claim" that we haven't seen good evidence. It's a fact"
This statement is a claim. It it a claim that you are making that it is a "fact" that that there is no evidence for God. Begging the question will not serve as an argument here. Prove your case, or just like I said this is just a claim you are trying trying to associate with facts that you as someone with no "truth claims" cannot logically justify.
@@colinmatts
If you know there is no evidence for God (aside from, like, creation itself, information science, your own moral conscience), then it should be safe to assume that you would know what this evidence would look like if you did see it. So, 1. what are prepared to accept as evidence, and 2. what evidence can you present regarding your own naturalistic faith? _Why should anyone believe what you do?_
I like how he gets angry and raises his voice when he can’t provide proof of Jesus. Lol
Or, he's a little frustrated with the hardness of the person he's speaking who is only half listening to what he's saying, like the boy asking for documents outside of the Bible which is a faulty way of thinking because it presumes that the Bible is only one source when it is actually a collection of different sources and different authors and different documents compiled together. For the young gentleman to dismiss those documents simply because they're collected into what we call the Bible is arbitrary and would give Cliffe a justified reason in being somewhat perturbed, especially after the young gentleman repeats that same statement just after Cliffe explains this to him.
Its frustrating when you have to debate someone so dull on something so important and they are not getting it
.Lol
You know you still can’t prove that baby ghost exists. You can’t prove anything. It’s a nice story tho. but it’s not real. I respect your religion and other religions. I wonder how many gods are there😭
Cliffe won’t debate Sam Harris because college kids are easier to beat 😭
Braaah!!!! Cliffe just told him the Canaanites sacrificed they own kids and that just breezed by his brain neurons....Not a one caught it...
lol Zoroaster virgin birth? Never heard of that and I'm from Iran.
what does that say about you. lol
@@dperkins01 tell me about it.
So I was also thinking about the idea of different religions that is said Christian stolen from we have to go back to genesis even then they were looking for a savior as God promised. So from the beginning people were stealing for God. The Egyptian knew about the promise of God. The whole earth is waiting for redemption.
HERE is The Savior
YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
what he is saying is that we dont have any historical evidence Mathew who sir?
In august of 2021, school campuses were having unmasked mass gatherings?
someone must with their heart and humbly seek GOD, or shall i say ask GOD are you real, and if someone seeks GOD with a humble heart GOD will reveal HIMSELF to you. if you DO NOT come with a humble heart GOD will not REVEAL HIMSELF to you, just like what happened to pharaoh your heart will remain hardened.
Atheism is not a stance on any religion it is simply a rejection of theistic claims. When this guy made a claim he needs to prove what he is saying with evidence. This whole video is full of bad actors.
You cynics are a dime a dozen! Fact is, when you reject one view, by default, you are left with some other view. In your case, naturalism. And of course, theists reject your naturalistic claims. You, like all atheists, are a bad actor/not a critical thinker.
@@jessebryant9233 Well, we can't help it if you can't meet your the burden of proof so what do you do make up shitty videos amongst yourselves.
Did anyone else notice when talking about extra biblical evidence that he(the student) mentions hearing from third person perspectives. Which I’ll admit don’t ignore third party perspectives but it seems as though only Christianity gets that skepticism tossed at it. It would be like arguing whether we had slavery in this country and you say I won’t believe it unless I have third party perspectives from people who are not slaves , slavers or people who had a stance on it , where are you expecting details from?
In terms of textual criticism, the New Testament stands unique in ancient prose. There are 50 copies of Caesar's Gallic Wars written 350 years later. The New Testament has nearly 30,000 copies written as early as within the lifetime of the original witnesses. You also have sources outside the Bible, which have no sympathy with Christianity. The Jewish historian Josephus from the first century, and the Roman historian Tactitus also from the first century. These critics should read more !
The term is Catholic which means universal church.. there is 20+ rites to the Catholic Church the largest being the Roman Catholic rite. This man isn’t being intellectually honest because his belief is clearly Protestant.. which came to be in the 1600’s in direct protest to the Roman Catholic rite. So it’s intellectually dishonest because all Catholic rites ultimately would submit to the pope and cardinals and bishops as the authority.. the early protests were not in a theological disagreement but they just wanted to be specific to their location and not labeled “universal “ they wanted to be the church of Russia or Greece.. which leads to different cultural traditions but not ideology… Protestant was the first like protest to the authority of the bishops popes etc. he is being dishonest to claim Protestant ideology existed in the early church because it’s not objectively possible to have a church of independent solo scriptura know it alls in a pre enlightenment- illiterate world with no access to the scriptures Protestant ideology did not exist and did not play any role in the formation of the Bible . Sorry Protestants your protest began long after there was a Bible many bibles printed and in circulation… so … the laity of most of the churches in the early church not only was illiterate but they often had no clue what was going on at the church they attended … it definitely was not a rock concert with some hip guy wearing jeans and skate shoes taking about all you gotta do is believe.. cmon now let’s be grounded in reality here.. your post-modern ideology based religion didn’t travel back in time to argue modern ideas against tradition… with the popes and bishops… so ridiculous even Eastern Orthodox which Protestants try to pretend isn’t “Catholic” they are a Catholic rite and call the pope a “equal” but a spiritual leader to them and their official name is the “orthodox Catholic Church “ so Protestants try and pretend orthodox isn’t Catholic but it is tho..
What gets me on these atheists are, if this is all there is to life, what’s the point or purpose to continue on living? King Solomon said in the Old Testament that the whole purpose of man is to serve God. If we truly love Lord God, we will serve by obeying His commandments.
For most of us who may be considered atheist, it doesn't work out to a true or false proposition. God just isn't. The notion of religion just doesn't work into any part of are life fundamentally. We may have other social interest that supports are needs, activities, security or virtues.
There is a good number of people though who seem to want to look at atheism as a religion itself but as a group these aren't a very stable or able minded bunch of people. It's with this element of society that Christians have the hardest time with. There is no preaching, ministering or guidelines written in stone. Knowing right from wrong is just learned like learning to walk or swim maybe. It's a second nature that affects us through senses, reflexes and natural responses. All do respect for all the good folks who do great work for others through the greatness of their God(s) with faith,hope and love.
Blatant lie - Isaiah 45:7 - in no way it's judgement. It's "God" boasting himself and got exposed telling who really he is!. Shame on you Christians to twist the facts to suit your needs inorder to protect the honor of your gods