Tuscan Vernacular | Can French and Spanish speakers understand it?
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- The Tuscan Vernacular is a set of Italo-Dalmatian varieties of Romance languages mainly spoken in Tuscany, Italy. Standard Italian is based on Tuscan, specifically on its Florentine dialect, and it became the language of culture throughout Italy due to the prestige of the works by Dante Alighieri and many other writers. In this language challange we want to see how much of it is understood by French and Spanish speakers based on the mutual intelligibility phenomenon within the Romance language family.
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Thx for the video. Can t wait to watch the new one soon! Please do other language families like the finnish (1 estonian, 1 finnish) one, the celtic ( breton, welsh, irish) or english (,english dialects) or asian! You canal can grow again! Thats an awesome project!!
Eu entendo! 😀
Tuscan is completely intelligible with Italian, a better video idea would be to have someone from Sicily speak with someone from Veneto speak their regional mother tongues (or dialects) and try to understand each other
@@sasino então não existem barreiras de entendimento entre os dialetos/línguas românicas na Itália?
@@fabiolimadasilva3398 Yes there are barriers, but not between Tuscan and Italian, because Italian comes from Tuscan lol
That's why, choosing a Venetian speaker and trying to make them talk with a Sicilian speaker would be harder, and would make a funnier video
I like poems in Vernacular Tuscan too, here's my favourite:
“Se ni’ mondo esistesse un po’ di bene
e ognun si honsiderasse suo fratello
ci sarebbe meno pensieri e meno pene
e il mondo ne sarebbe assai più bello”
Bruh
Suddenly Pacciani
@@Lieturon92 posso parlare da i' banco?
@@toscasam1353 Certo, tanto RITHORNEREMOH (prima o dopo)
P a c c i a n i
Ciao Samanta. Congratulazioni! E' la prima volta che sento un toscano parlare cosi a lungo senza dire neppure una parolaccia o una bestemmia 😅
Grazie! È stato difficile🤡
uguale e sono toscana ☝🏻
Io ho sentito i lombardi e i liguri bestemmiare come intercalare a differenza dei toscani.
Ahahaha
@@toscasam1353Ciao, Samanta! Sono stato curioso da vederti. Grazie!
As a Slavic language native speaker who grew up watching Italian TV, I can say I understood Tuscan perfectly and that I noticed my understanding of other Romance languages increase thanks to Ecolinguist channel ;)
You were great. As always... superb content, phenomenal guests. Hvala.
its the same thing 🤣.
@@karldo4809 hahaha, yes
No problem at all. Understood her perfectly. It sounds like modern Italian with the hard C replaced by an H in a lot of words. In spite of this, she is perfectly intelligible to me. Native Spanish speaker here.
Me impressionou como demoraram para entender a palavra jogo.
@@purai28 es muy importante deducir los sonidos correspondientes en las lenguas romances. Por ejemplo, el español no pudo deducir que ella pronuncia la C Como el pronuncia la J Y que ella pronuncia la J Como el pronuncia la Y. Para el francés, la cosa es mucho más complicada porque, en su lengua, muchas sílabas del latín original desaparecieron. Para un hablante de portugués, gioco suena bastante parecido a jogo por qué el sonido inicial es correspondiente. En español, esta palabra es juego Y se pronuncia como un carioca diría “ruego”. Bastante diferente.
And something like an english "th" instead of intervocalic non accented "t". Analogue situation for "p" which becomes a non sibilant bilabial fricative /ɸ/ (IPA) to my ears.
I’m a native spanish speaker too and it was really hard to me to get the words without reading the transcription… very difficult!
Yo también le entendí todo pero estudie italiano estándar varios años.
She was such a funny and chirpy speaker. I loved it. The 38 minutes went by so fast.
Italian Girl
@@wyqtor Tuscan Italian Girl. You won't think it makes a difference but it does.
@@wyqtor 😆
What? That's 38 minutes? I didn't even notice😯
A general rule is that all tuscans are comedians. Some great, some awful, but all comedians.
The Romance languages, especially the Italian dialects, sound like music to me. It's beautiful! 😍
Italian doesn't have dialects. In Italy we speak many languages , each with its own dialects, and these are languages separated from Italian.
@@ITALICVS sorry, if I used the term inaccurately.
@@MarynaRGurzuf Don't worry, it can be interesting to know
@@ITALICVS toscano e romano sono effettivamente gli unici dialetti veri e propri dell'italiano.
@@Jormunn anche il Corso
The so-called "gorgia toscana" (i.e. this pronunciation system) in reality involves more consonants than just that C->H.
Basically some consonants are "softened" when they are between two vowels if the first vowel is not the one with the main stress.
La casa -> La hasa (or La 'asa in northwest Tuscany)
Speciale -> Speshale
Grigio -> Grijo (french J)
Patata -> Pathatha (yes, the English th in thick)
Sometimes and in some areas t -> English h or disappears whatsoever
Capire -> Caphire (ph means a non-plosive P, like blowing air, probably from Etruscan ph)
It's very similar to dialects of Sardinian that also experience these forms of lenition.
The gorgia in P has nothing to do with the Etruscan language. This was already exctinct in a very ancient phase of the Latin language. Medieval Italian (namely: Tuscanian) didn't leave any trace of a different pronunciation of the P from our modern standard Italian one.
That's beautiful. It's the same as Spanish lenition but with the unvoiced plosives instead of the voiced ones.
Ovviamente la ragazza come dice ha influssi pisani, quindi sostituisce molte volte la lettera L con la R (ovviamente il pisano-livornese e il grossetano non hanno la gorgia toscana)
@@augustus6178 Non è che non ce l’hanno, ne hanno una versione con regole leggermente diverse
In french the equivalent of "gobbo/fante" should be "valet", I think :) Anyway, the three words (Tuscan, Italian and french) have completely different meanings, even if in card games they are the same character! This is very interesting!
Oui, c' est bien le valet et non le joker.
Tout à fait c'est valet
In Serbia, the name of that card is "žandarm" which is basically a French word, so I was expecting "gendarme" to be the French answer... 🙃
In russian the same, valet
@@7_KrOlja_7 valet in russian comes from french
In this video, I'd say both of them were a bit "slow" to guess not very difficult words ... The cards that the girl calls "Neapolitan cards" are actually "Spanish cards", brought by the Spaniards to the kingdom of Naples and Sicily, belonging to the Spanish crown for many centuries. The "Jack" in Spanish is the "Sota", I guess.
Some people I know here in Brazil say “sota” for queen and they don’t have any acknowledge of this word in Spanish. In Brazilian Portuguese we frequently call jack as “valete”, which may came from the French word “valet”.
The "jack" is "sota" in the Spanish deck, but "jota" in the French one!
@@purai28 sota no Brasil? que legal, nunca escutei. "sôta" ou "sóta"?
@@lingux_yt fiz confusão. kkkkkkk Na verdade, chamam a dama de sota. Soa como “sóta”.
@@purai28 que legal
Oh yes! Romance languages are back! I hope we have the Latin vs the other romance languages again very soon ☺️
I basically understand everything (I speak Portuguese, Spanish, French and my understanding of Italian is pretty advanced)
Great video, here in Argentina the "grifo" is most commonly called "canilla", very similar to the tuscan word
You're right! I thought about that too!
Probably because of Lunfardo in Rioplatenese Spanish, which has many slang words that originated from Italian and various Italian languages.
@@CaptainNoch yes, that's what I was thinking
@@CaptainNoch Yes, that's right!
I don't know why do we have to talk in english but here in Colombia "grifo"is commonly called "canilla" too
Argentina y Colombia 💪👍
Thanks Norbert and participants! I am advanced in French, intermediate in Spanish, beginner in Italian so this one was easy
i am also from Tuscany, i'm proud to see this.
I speak both French and Spanish (learned both), and I understood about 80% of what she was saying. I also got to guess all 5 of the words!
That was interesting, I found the Tuscan pronunciation quite a bit harder than the standard Italian, but I still managed to get all of them mainly because the subtitles helped me a lot in some parts. In Brazilian Portuguese those would be:
1. torneira
2. valete
3. formiga
4. chorão (initially I thought of "ranzinza" or "resmungão" in PT, but when she said something about that one child that always make drama for nothing, chorão would be the right infantile word imo)
5. travesseiro / almofada (travesseiro only for the bed ones, almofada for the smaller ones in sofas and armchairs)
De qual parte do Brasil tu és? Aqui no RS a gente diz "chorão" também e algumas vezes "pessimista" se encaixa no contexto como descrição genérica. O "chorão" é também aquele que a gente chama de "pidão" ou alguém que fica pedindo (chorando) por algum desconto/brinde/vantagem, não apenas no plano financeiro mas no sentimental também.
Saudações!
I thought of "reclamão" for 4)
4 - I actually thought more as "mal-humorado" or "mal-disposto".
5 - In Portugal we use "almofada" in both cases. "Travesseiro" is a cake (and a very good one indeed).
I like the Tuscan dialect. It's generally easy for me to understand as a learner but it has some wildness to it, such as that famous gorgia toscana!
20:00 Love seeing the interactions with false friends.
"¿Es un ave?"
"No, non è un ape."
20 seconds later:
"Un oiseau..."
"No, non è un uccello."
A couple of notes:
1) "gobbo" in French should be valet and not joker.
2) there are more suitable words in French for "ficoso": pleurnichard or geignard. Samantha even alluded to the character from Harry Potter, Moaning Myrtle, who is called "Mimi Geignarde" in the French version.
This character is called Mirtilla Malcontenta in italian. Pretty close to the guess of the french speaker.
@@angelolaurenzaMJJ In my opinion "ficoso" or "piagnucolone" are better described in French as "geignard" or "pleurnicheur". "Malcontent" (or "mécontent)" although related, differ in some respects. A person can be "malcontent" and not show it, nor tell anybody. A "geignard" or "pleurnicheur" makes it his business to make the entire world aware of how miserable he feels or how unlucky he is. Somebody who is "malcontent" might take joint action with other people who are also "malcontent", with the aim of changing the conditions at work or resolve some problem in society, or whatever is the source of their "malcontentement". The "geignard" or "pleurnicheur" is more passive and tends to not take action (individual or collective). The "malcontent" is a non-conformist, while the "geignard" or "pleurnicheur" is a conformist, or fatalist even.
I’m from Tuscany! I felt too honored to watch this video! Keep it up 👍👍
Another awesome video from Norbert & crew! Samantha has such an infectious energy, she was fantastic.
Jen la prezentitaj vortoj en Esperanto:
1. *krano* (el la pola "kran" & la rusa "кран")
2. *fanto* (el la itala "fante") aŭ *bubo* (el la germana "Bube")
3. formiko (el la itala "formica")
4. verŝajne *grumblulo* aŭ *plendulo* , mi ne tute certas sed mi uzus unu el tiuj du
5. *kapkuseno* (el la vortoj "kapo" & "kuseno")
It's crazy how the pronunciation of the C is single-handedly lowering the comprehensibility by this much.
Tuscan is definitely one of the most particular regional languages in Italy, it also varies in the region itself, as the girl was saying at the start of the video, in some areas of Tuscany they actually pronounce the hard C properly or instead of pronouncing it by inhaling it they exhale it. Really weird stuff but it's probably the most intelligible dialect aside from the Roman dialect, that the average italian speaker can understand.
Yes, the _gorgia toscana._
En occitan lengadocian (sud de França): 1: canèla 2: vailet 3: formiga 4: bramaire 5: coissin
La hoha hola hon la hanuccia horta horta :)
Incredible! I understood 100% of what she said!!! Ah wait... I am "Toscano" as well... :)
De allora de 🤣❤️
@@toscasam1353 de, comunque de, brava de! ;)
@@fabriziospadi9478 Sono toscano anche io, ma l'unica parola che avevo indovinato è "guanciale", perché è l'unica che si dice anche a Lucca, da dove vengo io.
so as a toscano, you expected not to understand your own dialect?
@@emuka-art 😆! Just checking how much the others would understand of the vernacular tuscan
Thanks as always for this. The Tuscan Gorge - heard about it; great to hear it from a native speaker. For me, as a native Romanian speaker from Moldova, with exposure to various Romance languages, it was easy to understand her and note some parallels with Romanian varieties.
The words in Romanian are:
1. Robinet - borrowed from French. Interestingly, checked in the dictionaries and apparently canela or canea is used for barrel taps. Never heard of canela or canea being used in my area though.
2. Valet - originally French, simply because modern playing cards in this part of Europe were copying the French or German designs. Fante is another word for the figure, but never heard it used where I come from.
3. Furnica - descendant of Latin formica.
4. Plangacios - derived from plangere/a plange. Other words can be used too, but since she mentioned babies that's the word used for babies or children who whine.
5. Perna. That's of Slavic or even Southern Slavic origin. I heard stories of the confusion it creates between Spanish and Romanian speakers ;-).
Okay, gracias Santiago ! Lol. I'm French, I can speak Spanish but never learned Italian, but since it's a latin language I understood a bit of what Samantha said. Somehow I had no problem finding the two first words, couldn't find the third one and found the last two thanks to Santiago's comments haha!
"Gobbo" in French is "valet", which sounds a little bit like "vale" in Spanish. When Santiago said "vale, vale" at 12:12 I was like "YES, that's the word!!" x)
Again a fun video! Thank you Ecolinguist!
In portuguese we use the word "valete" derived from french "valet", so the order is 'valete' 'dama' 'rei'.
Me encantó! Pude adivinar 4 palabras! La de la carta no sabía el nombre en español. Excelente video Gracias!!! Me encantan el italiano y el francés! Son lenguas bellísimas!
¿Y cuál es el nombre en español?
@@MickyBane Jota o Sota
@@AndreaAvila78 gracias!
@@MickyBane "Sota" si es la de la baraja española; "jota" si es la de la baraja francesa.
In Portsmouth, England, a 'moaner' or 'whiner' would be called a 'squinnie'.
As a Sicilian speaker, the sicilian language did have privileged ties with Tuscany and its vernacular, since the tuscanian literature saw the sicilian poetries as an example to follow, since the latter is the first language of Italy used in a court and in literature ( sicilian and tuscanian - so also italian - share most of their features and use same poetic patterns). So we both have many archaic words that look the same:
Tosc. Incignato / Sic. Ncignatu ( italian incignato, not used)
Tosc. Iuso / Sic. Iusu ( iuso is also italian, but archaic)
Tosc. Suso/ Sic. Susu ( also suso in italian, archaic too)
Interesting, iuso and suso are used in my apulian dialect too
@@dersven4122 cool. Are they pronounced as in Italian? However, to me is not a big surprise: apulian dialects are still part of the italo dalmatian group!
@@esti-od1mz considerando che anche la lingua siciliana è sempre stata molto prolifica, probabilmente la scelta di una parlata centrale già usata dai genovesi e dai romani in sostituzione del latino per commerci e contratti e poi comprensibile dai veneziani con facilità....
Vabbè ci siamo capiti perché altrimenti il maggior numero di locutori spettava alla lingua napoletana.
In Spanish you also have "suso" and "ayuso" which are used in some special contexts.
In Sassarese (dialetto imparentato al Toscano/Corso) per Iuso usiamo la parola Jossu o Giossu
It's always a pleasure to watch these videos, thank you :)
Very interesting Tuscan. Thank you Norbert. I always enjoy these.
Loved it! ♥️ I have guessed all the words and that makes me happy! 😊
While I was just listening I was not very successful, but reading while listening was of great help, so thank you for providing that on screen for us. The first time I watch, I turn on the CC only when the words are being revealed and then I watch the video again with CC on the whole time, just to see what I've missed.🙃
Thank you for making these. It is so much fun to guess! 😊
Fòrça interessant, coma totjorn. En occitan, dins la varianta lengadociana :
- Canèla
- Vailet
- Formiga
- Repotegaire ; Plorinejaire
- Coissin
Português:
- Torneira
- Valete
- Formiga
- Queixoso, choroso, chorão
- Travesseiro
Eu amo este canal! Sempre aprendo palavras novas em todos os idiomas!
There are different cards in Spain with different characters, It is called: "Baraja española". That's why even understanding her explanation, I did not know what she was refering to.
In fact, the neapolitan deck Samantha mentioned is basically the same as the spanish deck Adán mentions here. Same suits, same pictures, the spanish deck has numbers in the corners (1 to 12) and each card is has a rectangular border while the neapolitan has none of these, just the picture
The word should be “jota”
In German:
1. Wasserhahn
2. Under (That‘s Swiss, I don‘t know how they call this card in Germany. Could be the same, but I don‘t know)
3. Ameise
4. Jammeri (That‘s Swiss German again… Couldn‘t find a Standard German word that has that Meaning…)
5. Kissen (Chüssi in my Swiss German dialect)
For me, as a native (Swiss) German speaker, who also learned some Italian and French, it was pretty easy to understand her. It was pretty similar to the standard Italian I learned. Though I didn‘t get the 3rd one (I new it is an insect, but not which one).
I tried this without reading the subtitles as an American who understands most Spanish. This one was really hard for me. The C becoming the H sound really threw me off, but I got 1, 3, and 4 by myself and 5 with the help of the Spanish speaker. I understood the French speaker much more than her lol.
😳👍👍
yes this toscan is hard because they pronounce H not C, casa in toscan is c.hasa :D
Awesome video as always
I got the general meaning of ficoso, I am not sure of its specifics meaning, but they are some options in french:
Pleurnichard (complain and cry at the same time)
Geignard (complain in weak and inarticulate way)
Lamenteur (used in a formal context),
Plaignard (most generic term)
Chialeur/chialeux (usage widely spead in laurentian and acadian french)
What about râleur? the Frenchest of them all!
In Spanish it would be like:
Quejumbroso: someone that complains about everything
Llorón/Llorona (yes, like the Mexican tale): someone that cries or whines but in a more childish way
Amargado/amargada: someone that whines about everything but in a malicious or tired way
And “berrinchudo/a” which is like a combination of the former words listed
Another fantastic video!
Grande video, mi ha fatto sentire a casa!
Has similarity with Romanian including retention of h, and qu> ci
Spanish speaker here. I could easily understand the 5 words. Tuscan is practically Italian to my ears. Although, it was a bit dissapointing that the Spanish guy could not get most of the conversation. He was probably nervous. Any of the previous spanish speakers who have appeared on your channel could have easily guessed the words, I believe. Best Regards from Monterrey, Mexico.
I guess he has little to no no exposure to Italian. If that's the case, he would be a good subject in an intelligibility test.
@@RogerRamos1993 true
Creo que le faltaba un poco de léxico. ¿Cómo puedes decir que no encuentra equivalentes a whiner cuando en la misma descripción utiliza el verbo "quejarse" pues de ahí "quejica"? Aunque es cierto que puede que los nervios jugasen su papel.
@@educontrerascarmona8664 No se puede decir quejoso, también? En portugués se puede decir queixoso, pero suena reformal. En este caso diríamos chorão (llorón), reclamão (reclamón?) o ranzinza/rabugento.
Como persona que habla español nativo debo decir que el toscano me suena al italiano de toda la vida, sólo que no llego a entenderlo tanto como al italiano.
Curioso.
La _gorgia toscana_ puede ayudar a que no sea tan claro como el italiano estándar.
Es porque el italiano estándar está basado en gran parte en el toscano. Tienen algunas palabras propias que difieren del italiano estándar sin embargo. Lo más destacado de la pronunciación toscana es que pronuncian la "c" en las sílabas "ca", "co", "cu" como una "h" aspirada (igual que en inglés). Una vez tuve el siguiente diálogo con un peluquero en Fiesole, a las afueras de Florencia: el peluquero que me pregunta "¿home vi lo horto?" ; y yo que le respondo "¡corto!; y él "¿horto horto?; y yo "¡sì!". Otro ejemplo que observé fue en un bar en Florencia donde un señor pidió al camarero que le trajera "una hohahola e un hafè happucino". Otra cosa curiosa es que he observado a algunos toscanos, no todos, pronunciar la doble zeta, "zz", como en españa se pronuncia la zeta (con ceceo), aunque la chica en el video no lo hace.
I love the way she speaks Italian, it sounds very elegant.
I'm very happy to listen a friend of mine in a video of this channel! Of course, after years of friendship and living in Tuscany I understand every single word out of her and her fellow cospeakers, but I remember several misunderstandings between me and her about the language during our first dates! From an Italian who's used to listen both sicilian and milanese dialects
Aleee❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ ti voglio un monte di bene!!!
Great video! I could understand a decent part of what Samantha was saying (as a spanish native speaker).
As an extra note: A Jack in spanish is called "sota".
Si es la sota pero no va después de la reina o yo lo he entendido mal o me parecía que decía eso. Nosotros jugamos a la baraja española en general.
@@angyliv8040 en ese caso lo mas seguro es que esten hablando de la baraja francesa, donde la sota va "despues" de la reina (K -> Q -> J)
That's cool. Nice video!! I'm from Brazil, speak native Portuguese and I could understand a lot, those 3 languages. The subtitles make things much easier. Of course, there are some words of the vocabulary that I don't understand.
This was fun! I got #1,3, and 5. I kept thinking #2 was the pope...Thank you for another great vid!
i love this channel 😌👌
Great video Norbert! Will there ever be more slavic / Czech / Polish conversations? Really excited to see more of those!
A big announcement is coming soon. :)
@@Ecolinguist Awesome. Can't wait :)
At the beginning the young lady is speaking standard Italian very clearly, which as others on this thread have already pointed out is derived from Tuscan.
What could possibly provide or allow the use of water in a kitchen ? Sink ? Tap ?
ANSWER, FIRST WORD: tap / taps, in American English; faucet.
I got it after about a minute, even though I don't speak fluent Italian or Spanish (but can understand both up to a point as long as they are spoken slowly) and speak no French at all, and despite having no university or further education whatsoever. Just as well I've been practising and using the very underrated art of common sense for the last fifty years.
La carta en español, es la sota o tambien se lo conoce como paje
Interesante el dialecto Toscano tiene buen flow, me pasaría la tarde escuchando 👂 me encanta.
En México lo conocemos como grifo o llave del agua 🚰, lo de la carta fue confuso porque dijo que está arriba del todo, en México la conocemos como el Jack o también la Jota, algunos dicen el Joto pero es un poco despectivo eso
Ce n'est pas le joker en français mais le valet.
Je ne sais pas d'où il sort Joker ?
Il est resté un peu trop au États-Unis 😂
@@stephanedumas8329 J'avoue là que c'était une évidence.
Je ne parle ni l'italien ni l'espagnol mais elle a littéralement dit "cartas" ensuite compté de 1 à 10 puis "rei" "donna".
Sérieusement, je suis sur le cul qu'il ait pas trouvé avec tout ça, je n'ai même pas regardé le texte personnellement.
@@stephanedumas8329 Un parisien sans doute. 😂😂 Citoyen du monde mdr.
@@stephanedumas8329 je t'assure qu'aux USA ils disent Jack.
Can't believe that these guys don't play cards and don't know 'Jack'
In Quebec we call the Jack un valet. Joker is not the same card.
Same in France, it's called a valet, totally different from joker.
Same in France, they misunderstood what she meant.
Les angloys se sont même immiscés dans les cartes apparemment.
Exactement. Il ne doit pas avoir beaucoup joué aux cartes en France
Toscana:
Joker = la matta
Jack = il gobbo
Hey my native dialect! This is fantastic!
En Argentina decimos "canilla", muy parecida a "cannella". "Ficoso" acá sería "quejoso" para nosotros.
Theres so much I need to learn
I'm surprised that I could understand 4 out of 5 with my very poor knowledge in standard Italian. Words in Brazilian Portuguese below:
1. Torneira (faucet/tap) - I'm unsure if "faucet" is a word still in use for a kitchen's water tap
2. Valete (Jack) - that was easy, since I play poker and other card games
3. Formiga (ant) - I honestly thought it was a cockroach (barata) so that's the one I missed. I suppose it's because I understood that insect could fly but doesn't do very often. Well, ants can't fly at all...
4. Chorão (moaner) - to me it reminds of Hardy Har-har, a hyena who clearly suffers from dystimia
5. Travesseiro/almofada (pillow/cushion) - the 1st one is only for resting a head on, the second is the one we find over couches, armchairs, etc. We also have a thin version we use onto wooden chairs and rocker chairs that we call it "futon" (it's more like a pad to sit on.)
Something that grabbed my attention were the "C" sounds, sometimes sounded like "K" and sometimes like Spanish "G/J" or a French "R," notably in words like "gioco" having both pronunciations. That confused me a lot. 🤣
Thanks for sharing, Norbert!
Hi, ants fly during breeding season, only few male and female fly to reach new places for a colony.
"Something that grabbed my attention were the "C" sounds, sometimes sounded like "K" and sometimes like Spanish "G/J" or a French "R," notably in words like "gioco" having both pronunciations. That confused me a lot."
It's the famous _gorgia toscana._
Great like always! What about a video with a Romanesco dialect speaker?
The second challenge, I went from a clown, then a puppet and then I understood she was talking about cards, the hierarchy of characters in cards. The card she was talking about which is symbolised with a J we simply call it "jota" over here which is how we call letter J in Spanish.
As for the fourth challenge a more accurate word in Spanish would be "quejumbroso".
In Uruguay and Argentina you can call the faucet "canilla", very interesting
Sto video mi ha fatto venire voglia di ritornare a Firenze che adoro! (e la Toscana ovviamente tutta) 😍❤
YOOO I BEEN WAITING FOR ANOTHER FRENCH VS SPANISH ITS LIT
Norbert, will you come back some day with the "guess the languages" challenge with the 3 cups?
I'm here waiting for Ligurian ;) nice vernacular Tuscan nevertheless, always nice to hear the proper accent
This brings me back to when I was studying at the university in Pisa. The first months I didn't understand all these strange tuscan words they use. But now I understand everything.
It is basically italian with a couple of different words. It sounds very nice though, all italians find that tuscan is so "simpatico"
regio me fa morì
ah ah vero
A video with Mirandese (Portuguese dialect) would be kewl 😁 Some Sicilian also!
@Eu gosto de Choux Cream Na Wikipédia 15.000 pessoas falam mirandês, me parece q vai ser um pouco difícil encontrar alguém.
Brava! Se accetti un suggerimento, la prossima volta abbi un minimo di pietà e cerca di parlare meno speditamente (potresti anche fare qualche gesto molto generico, come indicare due dita quando dici dù). Comunque ottimo, questi esperimenti sono magnifici, e ne approfitto per complimentarmi con Ecolinguist (Norbert, great job! Keep up the good work!).
Ero molto emozionata ❤️🙈 grazie per aver guardato e commentato! Accetto volentieri il suggerimento
Sono d'accordo sul parlare ma non sui gesti, devono provare a capire solo dalle parole
Many aspirated sounds in this dialect. Interesting!
There's a French adjective that fits pretty well the description of "ficoso" and it's "râleur". "Geignard" is also used. And I know which quite vulgar word Bastien had on his mind... but I'm not gonna say it 😁
J’avais pensé à aigri
Pleurnicheur marche aussi
@@antoinesubitlescoups338 Oui, j'y ai pensé aussi, comme "grincheux".
Where i come from in Tuscany (in between Empoli, Pisa and Pistoia) "Cutera" it's used only for the ant with the red head that bites, i never heard of "Ghizza" before. Overall we speak a bit differently, with less "r"'s and maybe more cuts at the end of verbs.
Io sono Aretino praticamente niente di tutto ciò “ ci rappresenta”😂😂😅
Interestingly enough, in Romanian we have a word 'gâză' (pronounced with English 'z', the 'â' vowel similar to u in 'pleasure', and 'ă' like the indefinite article a), which is an older, less-used variant for 'insectă'. I checked the etymological dictionary and the origins of the word are very murky. But given the similarities with Tuscan, it might have come from vulgar Latin after all.
Qui a Lucca un avevo mai sentito dire ne "Cutera" per le formiche rosse ne la parola "Ghizza".
Poi qui a Lucca un si dice "Ficoso" ma "Fioso" quindi togliamo la 'c'.
Che poi anche da noi si parla con meno 'r', lei la scandisce/accenta molto.
Cudera ,non cutera e roba senese, ghizzo e' Fiorentino ma a sudde dell arno montespertoli e giu' di li, te sei di' padule di fucecchio, o robe simili, le formiche un l avete avete artro che granocchie e bisce in qui' i padule.
i would love to see a narrow ipa transcription of the tuscan speech.
I like how the c is pronounced in Tuscan
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¹ robinet
² valet
³ fourmi
⁴ râleur/râleuse ; pleurnicheur/pleurnicheuse
⁵ oreiller
This is basically "Italian: Can French and Spanish speakers understand it?" 😂 (okay it's slightly different here and there but not that much)
Easy as falling out of bed for me. It made it even easier the fact that I know Spanish, Portuguese, French and Italian. No problem at all. To me, it just sounded like a quirkier version of Italian with a few new words and an interesting accent where a lot of c’s turned into Hs.
Tuscan is basically Italian, much like Castilian is Spanish. The only difference I hear is that the Tuscan girl aspirates her hard C sound (ca = ha, che = he, chi = hi, co = ho, cu = hu). In Spanish, this also happens with the S. The dialects that had more Southern Spanish influence from Andalucia and the Canary Islands all aspirate their S. So basically all the Caribbean Hispanic countries (Cuba, DR, PR, plus most of Venezuela, Caribbean coast of Colombia, Gulf coast of Mexico, and most of Central America, minus Costa Rica and Guatemala), Pacific Coast of South America (Colombia, Ecuador, Peru), plus entire Southern Cone (Chile, Agentina, Uruguay, Paraguay). Venezuela and Nicaragua, especially aspirate everything.
@@philomelodia The modern Italian came from Tuscany, that's why. The dialects of "middle" of Italy are very similar to italian language, Tuscan and Roman are basically Italian with different accent and some words changed. If you heard nordern or southern dialects they are very different from standard italian...Sorry for the bad english 😄
Wow! Me encantaría participar en esto! Cómo podría hacerse? O sea, es posible? Mola mucho!
L'accento toscano è molto particolare ma anche molto del suo vocabolario. Per il resto è quasi uguale all'italiano standard praticamente,
l'italiano è variante letteraria medievale del dialetto toscano orientale. ovviamente sono la stessa cosa su livelli spaziotemporali distinti. il corso pure è parte dello stesso sistema anche se si basa sulle parlate del toscano occidentale e settentrionale.
Great g to hear Tuscan!
En Filipino, decimos "grifo" también pero con "P", entonces, "gripo." Y para referirse a una persona que es "whiner," decimos "reklamador" (desde la palabra española quiza) o usamos simplemente la palabra en ingles "bitter" 😆
Em Português do Brasil: Torneira, Valete, Formiga, Reclamão/Rabugento/Amargurado, Travesseiro
A bit difficult to understand, but not the hardest Italian dialect
En castellano - en Argentina - le decimos "canilla" al grifo.
Y creo que a esa carta le decimos "la jota" o sea la jota, de bastos, la jota de espada, la jota de copas, etc.
En Perú se dice "caño"
5:28 more than once I realized that the letter "C" sounds "H". Like in this word "Cannella".
Che forte il tuo toscano: usi "sorti' " (uscire), come in francese usano "sortir", e usi "un monte" (molto, tanto), come in spagnolo dicono "un montòn"! ^_^
è anche italiano standard quindi non rileva. esempio: volendo potrei scriver un monte di fesserie a non lo fo
@@gigieinaudi24 grazie per la risposta. ^_^ In realtà, in Italiano Standard, ho sempre sentito l'espressione "una montagna di... (fesserie)..." :-)
@@miticogabry68 non è che bisogna parlar stereotipato per forza eh
Credo che per il fatto di "Sorti" venga proprio dal francese, qui da me a Lucca si usa tanto sia "Sorti" per "Sorti di torno" ed anche proprio la parola intera "Sortir" per dire: "Devi sortire/sorti da lì"
Anche perché per esempio, Lucca è stata dominata per un periodo di tempo dai francesi, difatti abbiamo una porta nelle mura che sia chiama "Porta Elisa" come la sorella di Napoleone Elisa Bonaparte (la Porta la fece costruire Elisa), perché Lucca fu' governata dalla sorella di Napoleone. Infatti Elisa fece pure costruire anche una piazza qui a Lucca in onore di suo fratello, che tutt'ora si chiama "Piazza Napoleone".
Un altro fatto carino, che ai tempi della mia zia (che ha 84 anni) dicevano la parola "Ceregia" per indicare il frutto "Ciliegia". Infatti 'Ceregia' deriva dalla parola francese "Cerise".
Ora però questa parola è in disuso.
@@Samah_Morph_exe in Corsica si parla infatti il toscano antico occidentale tipicamente lucchese pisano garfagnino etc e non quello orientale che poi è diventato l’italiano cioè il fiorentino senese.
Tu se’ da lega’ strinta come dite voialtri:)))
Ciao
In Spanish the card in question (the jack, or knave) is called "sota". And in French it is called "le valet" and not "le joker".
Io sono un parlante del Espagnolo et capisco tutto in Italiano, anche il toscano, mi sembra molto facile....me piace molto questo clip..et tutti i clips di Ecolingust
2The first word, in spanish "artentinian" , it said "canilla" very similar "canella"
By the way, the second word in French is "valet", not "joker"! It's quite obvious that Santiago and Bastien are not very familiar with card games.
I understood quite easily what she said about this one. In Brazilian Portuguese it’s “valete”, it seems like it came from the same root as the French word.
In Romanian too it's 'valet', probably because we borrowed the modern games of cards from the French.
@@purai28 It doesn't come from the "same root", it was directly borrowed from French.
@@wyqtor You're correct 🙂
@@kodekadkodekad4380 well, even being borrowed, it comes from the same root, no?
Romance language wise, French is really more distant from Portuguese, Spanish and Italian. You see the Spanish guy could understand way better the Italian girl than the French. I got most of the words as well even though I can't speak Italian (but I speak Portuguese, Spanish and French).
French branch Gallo romance French simular Lombard Catalan piedmont occitan etc
From Romanian, with an overall B2 level understanding of standard Italian, I could understand her pretty well, about the same as the Corsican speaker. The cards word was very easy to guess for me. Romanian is probably even further away than French because of the partially Slavic vocabulary, but on the other hand the phonetics are a lot closer to Spanish and Italian. But if you pick only Latin-derived words, I'm sure Italians and Spaniards can understand Romanian pretty well.
The pronouciation of French was influenced by the Germanic languages. The difference of French can also be explained with geography, being cut off from the Italian and Iberian peninsula, French retained some latin archaïsm. :)
Toscano e Corso quanto si assomigliano? Sarebbe interessante un video di dialogo per verificare il livello di comprensione reciproca..
I love this! I got 2-5. Number 1 I had no idea what it was. I speak Spanish
It's definitely easier to follow than Romanesco, that's for sure. While I might say "grifo" as well, we also have the words "caño" or "canilla", the latter of which is definitely a cognate with "cannella", and is a word used (according to wiktionary) in Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay and Northern Central Spain. As for the Jack, it's officially called "Jota" (the name of the letter J in Spanish), though the equivalent card in a Spanish deck is "Sota" (Jack, worth 10), a card followed by "Jinete"/"Caballo" (Rider/Horse, worth 11) and "Rey" (King, worth 12). For the 4th word I might use "rezongón", and for the 5th, we don't use "cojín", but rather "almohadón", which unlike "almohada", can only be used for couches, sofas or seats.
The first sentence for me (a Tuscan) is quite strange because for me Romanesco is extremely easy to understand, way more than any other Italian dialect, even if someone speaks it extremely fast. It may looks like it's normal since I'm Italian but I actually don't understand southern nor northern dialects that well if they speak extremely fast, while Romanesco is just like hearing my language, totally understandable, because it's not that different actually.
Hello, I'm French, and the second word to guess was not "jocker" but "valet" (pronounced [vale]). The word "jocker" is also used in French with the same meaning as in English: to describe another card (or it can be a role attributed to a card, depending on the game played).
Also, there are French words for the fourth one: "râleur" or "grognon".
Saluti! In Paraguay (parliamo lo spagnolo) diciamo "Canilla" per riferirci al grifo.
Dear ecolinguist, i have a question since always, the people of your videos can understand each other? I mean, for example, the Toscana girl can understand the french guy just by listen to him, or she already knows a little of french? I dont know if i made my point, thanks.
The way I puck participants is based on their familiarity with the featured language so all the guessers don't know the featured language and haven't have much exposure to it. The host might know some of the languages that the participants speak. I believe Samantha knew some French here.
Grande ...from Pisa