My theory is that Khaenri 'ah might have worshiped the Dragon sovereigns and the natives of Teyvat, which is why they don't worship the archons or the Heavenly principle because from their point of view their false gods that killed their dragon gods or sovereigns. The seven other nations most of the humans anyway are from another world called Eart. The humans and the archons were created through cloning and genetic manipulation because their ancestors the surviving soldiers from 50,000 years ago sent someone , to repopulate but most of the population was wiped out and had to send out an Ark to repopulate. But had to deal with the seven dragon kings to survive on this planet so the primordial one and it's shades (probably the first archons) kill them, during the dragon war and conquered the entire planet and the ancient Khaenri 'ahans knew that the archons and Celestia are Invaders that killed their gods and replace them hence why they don't worship them at all. Have been holding this Grudge for literally thousands of years. Cuz one they know way too much about the other worlds, they know how to summon people from other worlds, they have advanced technology and they know about other worlds while the other humans from the other nations know nothing. But that's mostly a theory.
Wouldn’t Khaenri’ah have this name cause, at some point, probably back with the first civilization, they had Istaroth as their deity before betraying her and thus becoming the wind/time betrayers? Most likely this happened when the Crimson Moon assumed power, and the Six Pigmies when the Twilight were at the throne.
In hindsight, considering how little information you had to work with back then, it's incredibly impressive how close you came to uncovering Dain's connection to the Prince of Light. Sure, Dain wasn’t the Prince himself, but he turned out to be the only Pygmy who remained by the Prince’s side till the end, and his power very likely stems from the Prince. As far as I know, you were the only one back then who even suggested a link between Dainsleif and the Prince of Light, and you were remarkably close.
Well yea, kinda funny how could you make the connection in the past, that dain has light powers and then he must be one of the pygmy that has a fragment of the light Prince powers.....wait a minute....who is the night mother in all of these???
@@nicolas._.2294 The Night Mother is heavily implied to be Celestia or the Unknown God. She "destroyed the Moonlight Forest and cursed its people", which is implied to represent Khaenri'ah ("people with fair skin, blonde hair, and bright blue eyes", every khaenri'ahn we've seen so far has had bright blue primogem-shaped eyes, and fair skin and blonde hair are characteristic of northern people, whom khaenri'ahns are based off).
@HappyGick ye, but it feels so weird for celestia to tell dain about the traveler......but since celestia is the one who trapped us...then maybe all of this was planned.....idk anymore, ty anyway
@@HappyGick honestly fair complexion, light hair, bright blue eyes sounds awfully like paimon. she has been called as silver and moon a lot in the past.
@@HappyGickas far as we know Clothar is pure khaenri’ahn and does not have light colored hair. His hair is pretty dark. Also Arle’s eyes not even close to be blue or dark blue. The only mentioned Khaenri’ahns who fit the description are Pierro, Dain and Halfdan.
So prince of light cursed the pigmies to be unable to ever again see the light of day... "...Terrifying rumors are spreading. Those who went aboveground and returned say that they have personally witnessed those who fled to the surface being afflicted with a strange disease and turning into monsters..." Hmmmmm surely its not same thing
In Perinheri Angelica says that the dynasties sin is the betrayal of a god. Guess how we know who the betrayed God was Also about the blood thing, the Crimson Moon dynasty took the name of the color of blood, the color of life Those are paraphrased from my crap memory. Thought they were interesting to share
And yet, Perinheri apparently happened around the time of the Archon War, and people of Khaenri'ah were already turning into hilichurls. Does it mean a few thousands of years have passed since the Light Prince was killed, and so it is time for a warrior (us) to come? Or is the prophesy of the Night Mother referring to destruction of Khaenri'ah?
I think it’s relevant that the Khaenriah chapter name glitches. We’ve seen glitches in a few trailers (most notably Albedo’s) and select instances in the game since the start, but it really came to the forefront with Arlechino and now a few scenes in the bedtime stories chapter. If I had to guess, the glitch means rewrites occurring. Another example is the glitch effect in Rhukkhadevata’s golden image we see in one of Sumeru’s archon quests, again hinting at a connection to reality and Irminsul. This is just to say that I think that’s how we’ll get to experience Khaenriah: through a glitch, a rewrite of sorts. The fact that it takes place after Shnezhnaya, which should bring the story of the gnosis to a close, might mean that one leads to the other in some way.
It's kinda funny that the pale princess book 'only' took 4 years to finally have a concrete link to the game after being called important by the game. Bro mihoyoverse really 1st disguised the visionary as 1 big bad Sinner, then name dropped surtologi and the visionary while linking them to gold in the archon quest so it's not that confusing, and then linked all of them together and expanded with 2 more and linked all of it to the pale princess. Theorizing is fun and hard when books can appear important but suddenly be very important with new info.
thats why I don't like genshin lore theories. Hoyo just manipulates the lore and introduces new info left and right that connects with existing lore but the original info had so little detail (done purposefully by hoyo) that any theories formed using the shrouded info turns out to be hilariously far from the truth. Think back on all the theories made using this book, all of it sounds like absolute bs now.
Dude, what you said at the end about the Cecilia and Inteyvat flowers is way too important for it to just be a “cool fact”. That should have 100% been part of the main video.
I think he just left it as a cool fact because it's relying too heavily on a Honkai connection right now. I'm sure once there's more info on princess fischl or Istaroth that this will be more significant.
@@iosis9324 who else? A lot of other theories from other creators get debunked within a year (which ofc is natural and I don’t blame them). I just noticed because of this comment that it happens less so or even to a lesser scale with this creator. For eg, Dain not being the Prince but being damn close to the right answer.
@@The1andonlysharpshooter No one, every theorist has a theory that comes true and that does not come true, but personally I think chill with aster and murderofbirds (although he is not exactly a theorist channel) has better theories than MNFN. On the contrary, I personally see how often the theories on this channel turn out to be wrong and rarely get to the point, and to be honest, most of the theories here are very much a foil hat, stretched and meaningless, for example, here with the "Traitor Wind", although he himself admitted how crazy this theory sounds, literally trying to make out the word in English in a Chinese game and substitute the English word for the sound in Egyptian, or other his theories with an attempt to connect the most random games and shows and to say that Hoyoverse were inspired by these games, despite the fact that there is no evidence of this and it may just be a coincidence (If Hoyoverse are inspired by something, they usually write and say in interviews what they were inspired by)
@@iosis9324 Id have to disagree. Hoyo over time has come out to state certain medias have influenced the lore direction of their games. (Ie the girl and the egg movie). Though they never said this from the beginning, this was later confirmed. Usually the connections to foreign medias are either an example in these videos for a previously established idea or are straight up confirmed to be inspired from the creators themselves. As for Chill with Aster and MNFN, the goal of their videos are completely different. Where MNFN actively uses the lore and their active connections to irl lore to figure out possible story plot lines in the near or far future, Chill with Aster uses only direct lore from the main game to make predictions. For eg, she wouldn’t make a video guessing what Dain’s connection could be to the six Pygmy’s before the recent story quest, which confirmed to us a clear link. That’s more of Ashikai and MNFN’s thing. Aster’s are more like; “Which symbol belongs to the 11 Fatui harbingers?” Or “Is there a missing 10th Fatui Harbinger?” Basically theory videos that are inherently impossible to say yes or no to unless the game gives us an answer. MNFN and Ashikai try to find an answer through lore *and* irl inspirations for said lore (They’ve confirmed and also been shown to read up on countries history. From ingame fictional stories, to nation names. Even character names show the loyalty to portraying one nation to its irl counterpart.) Genshin, a Chinese company, does bother with these kinds of translations. I think it would be unfair to assume they don’t. proof or not. But the fact is they do. Yes they’ll go from Chinese to German to English if they have to. Mondstat is a very very good example as it literally means Moon City in German. Which is perfect for the lore of genshin and the nation as a whole. I’ll admit a lot of theories can be tinfoil ish but I guess that’s the point of them. They’ve always been a sort of entertaining game with some effort to them. But genshin has shown time and time again that they can be very tinfoil-y themselves just with how they reach to the ends of the earth when it comes to in game lore. Iriminsul and all that. (And how the name definitely isn’t a happy accident.) I think at the end of the day, there are tastes when it comes to theorising. Those who don’t like using what hasn’t been stated in a media, and those who prefer to think beyond the scope of a medium. To each their own.
It could be, and it could also be the 3rd Descender. We know for a fact that the gnoses are the "remnants of the 3rd Descender". And if the Night Mother is the 2nd Descender as we suspect, then it all fits together. The Sinners killed the Descender and stole his "divinity" to ascend. Dainsleif took his body to the tree, where he found the Night Mother. After he left, the Night Mother took the Prince's body and, together with the Primordial One, crafted the gnoses*. This makes the Archons and the Sinners basically opposites - The Seven hold the power of the body, while the Six hold the power of the soul. Ironically, it would seem the Sinners have the power of "Dark" and Archons of "Light", when Pneuma (soul) and Ousia (body) would suggest the opposite - so the gnoses being the power of dark/body could explain why they are "objects of misfortune" and probably why the Archons were willing (allegedly) to part with them. Then again, that doesn't necessarily mean the 3rd Descender a person - I just think it fits. As Reneé said, Reason might take any form, be that of a sword or of a traveler from afar. If "Reason" means the power of a Descender, which I think it is given it's importance and the association with the color gold, then technically a Descender could indeed be an object. In Star Rail an Aeon can also be anything, not just a living being - IX is a black hole, a thing of nothingness, and Nous is just a perfect AI; a stellaron seemingly possesses the same powers of a Descender, and it is an object. So I think it totally could be an object as well. * First I though this didn't fit on the timeline of events, because the Cataclysm makes it seem like the death of the Prince of Light happened 500 years ago, but I don't think that's the case. Before dying, the Prince cast the curse of wilderness. We have concrete evidence that this curse existed ling before the Calamity, at least back in the Crimson Moon Dinasty, as Perinheri's friend (forgot his name) transformed into a hillichurl or one of its variants when they left for Sumeru with Angelica. So this means that the sin must have happened a long time ago (and also that the Cataclysm happened for another reason). With that, we can certainly fit this event before the Archon War, when the 1st and 2nd Descenders crafted the gnoses.
@@SirZelean I thought the cataclysm was set off by Gold/Rhindotter. I think albedo mentions it at some point in an event or something I think (but I may be remembering it completely wrong)
@@SirZelean timeline of events indeed doesnt fit. gnosies were given after archon war which is speculated to be happened +3000 years ago. i think what Night Mother said at last "In thousands of years time, my greatest foe will descend." parallels to traveler. if not then in game we have to wait thousand years for someone to descend.
The night mother says that the warrior will weild a sword that heralds the dawn and a shield which reflects the sunlight. I think that the sword represents Dain and the shield is Paimon. Just a thought.
I was doubtful when I first read this but after thinking about it for a sec, this makes a lot of sense. Sword that Heralds the Dawn --> Twilight Sword Shield that Reflects the Sunlight --> The Moon Reflects the Sunlight (Paimon is heavily associated with the Moon).
It reminded me of the mysterious sword that Kaeya's mythical grandpa lost in the "Arcadian Ruins". Interestingly, at the end of that quest Kaeya gifts the traveler a Harbinger of Dawn sword.
Venti saying to us that " we meet again" is living rent free in my head. If loom of fate can play on the memories , what if our memory in khanreiah is wiped? and we met istaroth there? hence Venti knowing us . idk xD it is maybe all wrong.
If the Pale Princess and the Six Pygmies was an allegory, that suggests that it might be telling a story of events that were (or will be) erased from Irminsul (or the Loom of Fate), which could also be why the Khaenri'ah chapter has no number.
It's not just an overlap, it's the same events. Pale Princess book is basically about seelie kingdom fall, not about Khaenria that was established later.
Note that Pale Princess and Six Pygmies was probably written by Andersdottir. Now I'm imagining her showing off the new volume, with the 6 pygmies, to her witch friends in Hexenzircel. And Rhinesdottir recognizing herself in one of them. Their friendship must have been really tested that day.
I've been thinking of the possibility that the deformed pygmy was Rhinedottir, and so Albedo is how she has hidden the prince's body. And it made me think that the Light Prince may be not a person at all, but knowledge. Knowledge that Pale Princess of the Crimson Moon dynasty wanted to use to escape Teyvat, and knowledge that Eclipse Dynasty repurposed for lesser, practical, purposes. Possibly knowledge of alchemy in its undiluted form. It would certainly be easy to hide knowledge in Irminsul's "tree hollow".
I think the main plot of Khaenri'ah would be killing the 5 Sinners and maybe we can track them down by going through the siblings memories. After we get the 5 authorities we will probably realise that its incomplete and one part is still missing and that missing part is Dainsleif which is going to lead into the final battle between Dain and Traveller
Btw, this also gives sense to the line "save her", as many thinks Dain refers to Lumine, but from all what we have seen she definitely is not the one who need to be saved and Dain does not act like he is trying to do that, more to stop her, not to save her, also it's quite strange to tell a brother that prove that are worthy to save your sister..., but if this theory is right, then he was talking about saving Astaroth, who loved those flowers. So he says to Traveller, that prove that you are the one who will save Astaroth and revive Prince....
..."Red" is the foundational principle, the philosopher's stone, while "yellow" represents gold and mortal temptation. Yellow is simply bait. Red is the final goal. However, Khaenri'ah would likely seek the truth for gold's sake before turning the truth into a bread production pipeline.....
I watched an interesting theory, where if you want the stone, then red last Is the right answer, but if you want the will to rival a world, gold as last, is the right answer Obviously this is very short and I suppose it's also an very self-explanatory resume
One thing about the colors I do not see mentioned is the theory of the Apocalypse's Four Horsemen (Red, Yellow, White, and Black signifying war, famine, pestilence/plague, and death) and their equally potentially relevant connections and themes to destruction and rebirth
Well this is spicy stuff. Thank you for the food (for thought) and such a well articulated & expanded take on the Sinners = Pygmies theory now that it's really picked up steam after the last AQ. The connections being drawn here are really convincing. Anyway. Just a thought, but the second you brought up the title for Khaenri'ah being about a larger betrayal of Istaroth/the Thousand Winds, it instantly made me think of your Remuria vid and the potential Cassiodor = Istaroth parallel suggested there. Taking that into account, might it be that the true "betrayal" against Istaroth by Khaenri'ah is somehow related to this hypothetical "mission" Istaroth was given to oppose the HP? That the Sinners' actions against the Pale Princess and Light Prince were an act of selfishness that ended up sabotaging the duo's greater role in Istaroth's last ditch duty of fixing PO's Heavenly PR Nightmare of a situation and that's what their sin is all about? That the Sinners chose the short-term gratification of betraying the Prince in order to become transcendent beings themselves as the great sages for this nation of humanity over the bigger picture of the entire ruling system needing to be overthrown and transcended? Or sth like that, idk, I'm just spitballing here since I really loved the ideas brought up in the Remuria vid even if some of it hasn't aged the best lmao (rip Nibelung = Sinner. but the Contra Mundi thing feels like it's STILL onto sth) Tho should be said that part of me finding this kinda reading appealing would be that it'd kinda recontextualize the Sinners as less like. Oh they're just absolute evil (which I find just... clashes w the Gnostic themes yakno) and terrible because Abyss something something. And instead having their deal be just a bit more nuanced. Maybe they distrusted the idea of a divine being like a Shade (or their daughter, pending the Paimon theory) being responsible for challenging Celestia but only ended up helping its rule by neutralizing the Prince and letting HP scoop up the Pale Princess as the last remnant of PO's attempts to stop their rule. I mean, iirc Dainsleif literally calls Khaenri'ah the pride of humanity but what if that pride went too far with the Sinners' hubris there? But ya, no clue how coherent this is lmao it just struck my mind how the themes of these two vids could possibly add up together. Great vid!
This video is amazing!!!!!!!!! You inpersonating the pygmies was amazing!!!! The fact that dain has the light prince powers makes so much sense becs the abyss sibling might not have been able to beat him, if dain was serious!!!!! Also, this makes so much sense i am still blown away but one thing i just thought about(i might be on cracked) Is how the sustainer told us that the arrogation of mankind end here, now arrogation *not* to be confused with arrogance! It means *the act of taking or claiming something for oneself without justification; usurpation* and it might be directly referred to taking the Prince powers, maybe, or even taking the princes away from the princess Also another me thoughts, so who exactly is this evil night mother? How did she know about the warrior(traveller) why did she tell dain? Now, i need to rewatch everything, I wish to make more connections between the moon, pale princess, that weird moon wood city or whatever it was
Oh it's kind of cool if we go to take the philosopher's stones from the Sinners bc it sorta parallels the Tsaritsa collecting the Gnoses from the Archons
I used to think that Khaenri'ah was an anagram. I tried googling what names could be formed with these letters, and it gave me Hare Krishna, a mantra dedicated to Krishna, one of the eight avatars of Vishnu... It may have nothing to do with anything, but I find this coincidence interesting ^-^
If I'm not wrong the Solar Chariot fell in love with the Moon Princess and the downfall of the Seelie's happened from there. It makes sense that the Moon Princess would be the Princess of the Moonlight Forest and the Solar Chariot being the Prince of Light
Exactly. Khaenriah was established after the Unified Civilization fell. And Unified Civilization existed at the same time seelie kingdom existed. And there was a book in game telling about somebody travelling to dark lands and hearing songs in ruins of presumably seelie palaces.
Same I'm very much interested in this, I noticed passing lore just from Elden Ring so honestly more would be amazing. I find it fascinating how it all links and their inspiration. On top of understanding Genshins lore and where it might possibly go its kinda fun learning what the devs like. I'd also love some HI3 lore cross overs such as the Cecilia flower and Cecilia the person.
@@Infelious The video about the Angel's Egg and Dark Souls changed my life. The fact that afterwards the same thing happened in Star Rail turned me into a new person 😭😂
I can't help but feel like the pale princess is Lumine. The prince of light is Aether, who, in truth, is actually being reawakened from veing shattered once before. Hence why Lumine is so cold to Dain and calls him a traitor just like how the night mother warned Dain the pale princess would react to the truth. The Abyss sibling is trying to protect their reformed sibling. However the reformed sibling doesn't know this and the Abyss sibling is in danger of meeting the same fate once their own powers are unsealed.
OHHHH MY GOD LETS GO. WE ARE WINNING. EDIT: the hollow knight music fits PERFECTLY omfg thank you Edit 2: oh brother you cannot just leave us with not knowing whether or not we care about dark souls I WILL ALWAYS WATCH THAT DARK SOULS RULES ❗️❗️❗️
Omg please do those berserk and dark souls lords similarities with the sinners, i can totally see some similarities on themes like Hroptatyr/ Izalith, Vedrfolnir / Seath, Rhinedottir with Nito or Aldrich or even Rerir / Lothric
i am excited to learn more about the sinners especially when Genshin does not like Black & White morality or reliable narrators. I am curious on what level of grey they are operating under and what really happened with the prince of light. It's also why I do not fully believe Dains's recounts of events especially when it paints him in the best light. Also, if we do subscribe to the 6 sinners being our true villains, what does that say about the Hexenzirkel circle? Alice? N? I really hope they start giving the traveler some agency and starts questioning everything. At this point, I do not see how any well written protagonist realizes they're a pawn in a chess game started a Decamillennium ago & being completely at peace with it.
Damn I'm early this time. New video from the Lore GOAT so i have to drop exam prep ya know what i mean. Have many of my own thoughts regarding Six Pygmies being retooled for the sinners + Dain, so excited to see what you have to say.
Impressive video as always :) So if I understand correctly, Khaenri'ah is located in the Night Realm aka the Abyss and the people there had no sun but a moon. One day, the Prince of Light descended from the Light Realm (elemental realm) and promised the Pale Princess to show her the way to paradise aka the land behind the moon aka the Light Realm. But before they got there, the Prince was murdered by the five Sinners. What I don't understand: There is king Irmin in all of this, because right now we can only guess the identity of the Pricess and the Sinners. And if the Prince truly is from the Light Realm, he must be a descender, an elemental being (a dragon) or a creation of the Primordial One. I'm still sooo confused 😅😂
Because the book is not about Khaenriah, it's about the seelie kingdom that existed before the fall of the primordial unified civilization (we see its ruins marked by triquetra symbol quite a lot). Khaenriah, "a nation without gods" was established at the same time the unified civilization part at Dragonspine was dying.
14:51 I love how these titles of the pygmies reflect as opposite of the true titles of the sinners Vedrfolnir the Visionary is the Blind pygmy Hroptatyr the Wise is the Foolish pygmy Surtalogi the Foul is the Timid pygmy I'm not so sure for Rhinedottir Gold and Rerir Raecher of Solnari though But I could be sure that Dainsleif is the Deformed pygmy because, well, he's deformed, occam's razor. Also perhaps the only Pygmy whose title is not used in opposite, maybe to reinstate the fact that Dain might be the only person of the six who are truthful to himself, hence his title is not reversed Though there might be another interpretation and I might be wrong, but it's neat food for thought
We definitely need more dark souls and berserk lore tie ins. The dark souls lore specifically goes super hard and I would love to hear more about where it relates to Genshin
Kinda out of topic but after reading the Pale Princess books back, it really makes me think that the moon is a hole that connects the void realm with the light realm ._.
Idk about that. The Human Realm is supposed to be the thing that divides the Light Realm from the Abyss. So unless you mean to say the Human Realm is the Moon then its probably not true
my theory is that Nibelung was somehow responsible for the foundation of Khaenri'ah. his name also comes from Norse mythology like other characters from the region. maybe pure-blooded kaenri'ahns are descendants of dragons and that's why their eyes look similar to those of vishaps. it would also explain why they didn't follow any gods
Nah, Pure blooded Khaenri'ahs have those eyes because they are the final descendants of the Unified Civilization which was ruled by the Shining Shades. The Dragons have more reason to hate Khaenri'ahs because they were the original creation of the Primordial Onr.
@@nothmm8582 - Dragons aren't the original creation of the Primordial One. They're the original inhabitants of Teyvat who the Primordial One conquered.
This theory makes me wonder tho. If Istaroth is the night mother and she is painted as a villian in that story how come in teyvat's history (such as the records of before sun and moon) she is depicted as good. The only one to follow the people of enka when they went under?
I really had this feeling in the past that this Prince of Light is Nibelung, the Dragon king.. and the power that this sinner divided is the Body of Nibelung. But if The pale princess is Istaroth... OMg., sorry my head hurts.
Do you remember where did the golden butterfly existed in Teyvat? The butterflies that shows in Caribert's realm. I remember there are some near the entrance of Sakura Shrine, but I can't remember the other places.
There's a theory that the Loom of Fate will revive Kheanrian. Rather a Copy of the Nation before it was destroyed. Maybe that's why there is no chaoter number. Because for all purposes it is a Nation that Doesnt Exist.
I think the power they took from the prince was the power of the Gnosis, and that the prince is THE 4th decender. The princess & prince remind me so much of the seelie & outlander that fell in love and were separated and had their memories stolen. This would link the Night Mother to the Moon Sisters. Btw in genshin, power = memories (Ashikai credit), so stealing the princes memories could have been the same event as stealing his power, the night mother saw it and let it happen. During the feast the princess was dealt with, and this event ALSO marks the fall of the seelie race and the event that caused the moon sisters to kill each other.
Are you trying to suggest that the 6 Great Khaenri'ahs usurped the powers of the Traveller? Its highly unlikely. The power they usurped was probably that of a Descender who we dont even know about
Could the pale princess be one of the three moon sister? Because they used to love an outlander and she might be the moon we see in the 12th floor of the spiral abyss
Actually Sumeru is based on India, Middle East and North eastern Africa, while The rainforest part is based on India, the desert part is on Middle East and Egypt and it's neighboring countries.
I think the Pale Princess is either Paimon, or Lumine. But considering that the pygmies are the traitors of Khaenriah, and the twins were regarded highly in Khaenriah and integral to their plans...enough to get the prince and princess title...It would be strange if the twins werent in the tale as well in some shape or form. We are missing a large chunk of events...and I wonder....What if the tale is actually talking about what happened after Sustainer/Asmoday captured them? What if the pygmy five managed to beat down the shades, take back the travelers, and proceeded to take the powers of our sibling and Dain then tried to save the twins. That could explain why we lost our powers while the abyss sibling retained hers, why we were knocked out so long, why we arent seeing Asmoday appear again. But it also leaves a big mystery of why the abyss sibling would side with the pygmies after they dismembered the sibling. The pygmy story can also fit in on Phanes... As he/she has the 5 shades and they seem to have "dismembered" a descender and combined the remains with the authority of the dragons to create the 7 gnosis. History sure like to repeat itself...
So would the philosopher's stones be the Gnosis? Or something else? I feel like the Gnosis being the remnants of the 3rd descender also may play into this...some how??
Oh I forgot about something that has been bothering me for some time now: the number of chess pieces on the board played in the la signora funeral video (the intro to the Fatui harbingers... of dawn): If chess has 8 pieces (counting the pawn), but we have 11 harbingers so much more pieces than are necessary on the classic chess board: could it be that we only have 5 different /special "powerful" pieces ( 5 harbingers or/and sinners) and the rest are pawns? Plus la signora is shown to be a pawn vanquished by a knight. Sooo... Could it be that the Fatui got their comédia dellarte monika from the 5 sinners/ sages? (They couldn't be the same as Pierrot/the fool, because he supposedly wasn't considered wise enough to be part of king irmin's sages. Thus after the calamity he went to the tsarita to propose "his services"... This raises so many questions with regards to the curse you theorized the pale princess put upon kaenrians : like how shneznaya a northern land with boreal auroras, has limited sunlight. (maybe that's how pierrot as a kaenrian can live above ground.) The blind/visionary = columbina? The " timid" may be the Fatui counterpart of Il capitano (just because this silly hollow knight is too shy to show his face😂). This comparison of the sinners' nicknames to the Fatui ones lies on the fact that the Fatui also are collecting fragments of the 3rd descender, possibly to resurect him or gain more power? But what does it mean then when dainslead says in the bed time story interlude chapter that the 5 sinners, his brothers, could have saved kaenriah?... If I follow your train of thought about the sinners being tempted by more power and consuming fragments of the prince of light /3rd descender, got access to the forbidden knowledge of khemia transmutation, either acquiring immortality, or... Heh what else does the philosopher stone gives you? Wisdom? I also see how in the Persian and Egyptian ancestor of chess, we can find figures of the 5 sages under animal form. It's always 5 or 4+1 in all those ancient civilizations: mondstadt and the 4 winds, deshret and his desert sages, Remuria and it's harmosts. Coincidence that all these civilisations that have fought fate ended up with the same. Number of sages : what a loop of réincarnations 🤔
Bro, BRO! Not only has your audio quality improved (can still be improved), but goddamn KUDOS to you for the extremely accurately pronunciations when reading Arabic. It's very impressive.
That separation of the word Khaenri'ah it's in--game too! The paper that the Narzissenkreuz Ordo wrote about samsara cycles, separates Khaenri'ah in 2 words, Khraun-Arya, which might be as if we separate Khaen Ri'ah. So I don't think this is copium.
Going by the story of the six pygmies who are probably scientists, and one of them is royalty I have my suspicions that the sinners summon the twins probably represents the the prince from another world of light pretty much the surface or Another World. But their curiosity got the best of them they wanted to see more of the universe and accidentally created a portal to the rest of the universe pretty much releasing forbidden knowledge and an ancient curse and summoned an army of monsters from another world.
I'm starting to think, and just go with me a bit, that Paimon is the reincarnation of Lumine. i think everything in teyvat has been caught in a loop of the same souls and memories being reconstituted and reborn. And Aether could break that cycle and either restore the souls or let them carry on living as they are. And lumine is the remaining fragments, with irmunsol having responded to aethers wish for his sister and using that outline of a memory of his favourite travelling companion created Paimon. And Paimon and lumine have this shared existence where neither is truly there whilst the other one is as well. This would be after Lumines journey through Teyvat and her eventual demise whatever that might have been
At the post-Simulanka quest, I couldn’t help but remember your mentioning of Level 61 in Fly Me to the Moon when Sethos’ final question for Cyno and Dori was how many names were circled on page 61. Dori answered 6(?) but Cyno guessed right with 5. Had no idea what 5 could represent but then I remembered this video.
So...what if the Travellors sibling is the Pale Princess and the Night Mothers jab at the Disfigured Pygmy about what shed think about what happened to the Prince has already come to fruition and thats why the sibling hates him now? Because the sibling knows what he was a part of?
I just wanted to add that the title of Surtalogi (the Foul) was translated as 'the Abominable Knight' in Portuguese. And Rerir is 'Moon Avenger'. Everything else is the same.
A really strange theory popped into my head If the creation of Albedo is a form of forbidden knowledge and Gold plays such a big part into why the destruction of that land happened, could it be linked to his creation? And the reason he will go mad is because he too came to the conclusion as to how he was really created? I would go mad too knowing that. ‘ But I thought in the books that using alchemy to make people is forbidden” Quote from Episode 2 of Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood The ultimate taboo to Alchemy is human transmutation.
This parallels Nahida with the Sages. They took advantage Nahida losing her power. I imagine something similar happened to the outlander losing his power then becoming vulnerable to the sinners. Maybe the Sinners created a Vinster King parallel to Artificial God Scaramouche.
Mhmmm so I heard 7 more years of Genshin 👀 the tstritsa hunts the gnosis & then phase two is - finding out what happened to celestia/ exploring it - the night mothers reveal - the traveler now hunting down the philosophers stones ( new elemental powers) & then facing the night mother facing his sibling & Finally fighting dain after learning the full truth of this world 🌍 🤯🤯🤯
Teyvat has and had more then 7 or “8” nations.. literally know tons of civilizations existed once… fyi UNITED STATES OF CELESTIA.. it’s literally ONE NATION with 7 STATES.. STATE government is 7 “nations” and Celestia is the FEDERAL GOV… OR if not the USA its the EU.. but either way their all “STATES”of a “NATION” and all other areas out of celestias jurisdiction are ignored or forgotten by ppl sadly
The Natlan chapter will have something to do with resurrection, right? So my theory revolves around how Fatui collect the gnoses. We know that the gnoses are the remains of the third descender, what if the third descender is the prince. What if the Fatui are collecting the gnoses to revive the prince.
Bro got tired from teaching Chemistry, History, and Geology, now he is teaching a freaking new language 🤣
Bro thinks hes davinci 🗣🗣🗣
Your reading of the pygmies was so good!
fun fact: the cube boss names is also based on Persian-arabic alphabet, like pyro cube is (عین)
i always noticed one of them is called aleph, which reminds me of the first letter of the arabic alphabet
got here from a youtube suggestion, stayed for the cool theories
My theory is that Khaenri 'ah might have worshiped the Dragon sovereigns and the natives of Teyvat, which is why they don't worship the archons or the Heavenly principle because from their point of view their false gods that killed their dragon gods or sovereigns. The seven other nations most of the humans anyway are from another world called Eart. The humans and the archons were created through cloning and genetic manipulation because their ancestors the surviving soldiers from 50,000 years ago sent someone , to repopulate but most of the population was wiped out and had to send out an Ark to repopulate.
But had to deal with the seven dragon kings to survive on this planet so the primordial one and it's shades (probably the first archons) kill them, during the dragon war and conquered the entire planet and the ancient Khaenri 'ahans knew that the archons and Celestia are Invaders that killed their gods and replace them hence why they don't worship them at all. Have been holding this Grudge for literally thousands of years.
Cuz one they know way too much about the other worlds, they know how to summon people from other worlds, they have advanced technology and they know about other worlds while the other humans from the other nations know nothing. But that's mostly a theory.
I really like this interpretation and continued legacy of "what is Truth" and according to whose perspective. Guess time will tell as all is revealed!
Wouldn’t Khaenri’ah have this name cause, at some point, probably back with the first civilization, they had Istaroth as their deity before betraying her and thus becoming the wind/time betrayers? Most likely this happened when the Crimson Moon assumed power, and the Six Pigmies when the Twilight were at the throne.
Do you think the Holy Lyre is a reference to Almaseeh Aldajjaal?
In hindsight, considering how little information you had to work with back then, it's incredibly impressive how close you came to uncovering Dain's connection to the Prince of Light. Sure, Dain wasn’t the Prince himself, but he turned out to be the only Pygmy who remained by the Prince’s side till the end, and his power very likely stems from the Prince.
As far as I know, you were the only one back then who even suggested a link between Dainsleif and the Prince of Light, and you were remarkably close.
Well yea, kinda funny how could you make the connection in the past, that dain has light powers and then he must be one of the pygmy that has a fragment of the light Prince powers.....wait a minute....who is the night mother in all of these???
@@nicolas._.2294 The Night Mother is heavily implied to be Celestia or the Unknown God. She "destroyed the Moonlight Forest and cursed its people", which is implied to represent Khaenri'ah ("people with fair skin, blonde hair, and bright blue eyes", every khaenri'ahn we've seen so far has had bright blue primogem-shaped eyes, and fair skin and blonde hair are characteristic of northern people, whom khaenri'ahns are based off).
@HappyGick ye, but it feels so weird for celestia to tell dain about the traveler......but since celestia is the one who trapped us...then maybe all of this was planned.....idk anymore, ty anyway
@@HappyGick honestly fair complexion, light hair, bright blue eyes sounds awfully like paimon. she has been called as silver and moon a lot in the past.
@@HappyGickas far as we know Clothar is pure khaenri’ahn and does not have light colored hair. His hair is pretty dark. Also Arle’s eyes not even close to be blue or dark blue. The only mentioned Khaenri’ahns who fit the description are Pierro, Dain and Halfdan.
So prince of light cursed the pigmies to be unable to ever again see the light of day...
"...Terrifying rumors are spreading. Those who went aboveground and returned say that they have personally witnessed those who fled to the surface being afflicted with a strange disease and turning into monsters..."
Hmmmmm surely its not same thing
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In Perinheri Angelica says that the dynasties sin is the betrayal of a god. Guess how we know who the betrayed God was
Also about the blood thing, the Crimson Moon dynasty took the name of the color of blood, the color of life
Those are paraphrased from my crap memory. Thought they were interesting to share
@@Shogun_A.I.omg, you are right
And yet, Perinheri apparently happened around the time of the Archon War, and people of Khaenri'ah were already turning into hilichurls. Does it mean a few thousands of years have passed since the Light Prince was killed, and so it is time for a warrior (us) to come? Or is the prophesy of the Night Mother referring to destruction of Khaenri'ah?
I think it’s relevant that the Khaenriah chapter name glitches. We’ve seen glitches in a few trailers (most notably Albedo’s) and select instances in the game since the start, but it really came to the forefront with Arlechino and now a few scenes in the bedtime stories chapter. If I had to guess, the glitch means rewrites occurring. Another example is the glitch effect in Rhukkhadevata’s golden image we see in one of Sumeru’s archon quests, again hinting at a connection to reality and Irminsul. This is just to say that I think that’s how we’ll get to experience Khaenriah: through a glitch, a rewrite of sorts. The fact that it takes place after Shnezhnaya, which should bring the story of the gnosis to a close, might mean that one leads to the other in some way.
It's kinda funny that the pale princess book 'only' took 4 years to finally have a concrete link to the game after being called important by the game.
Bro mihoyoverse really 1st disguised the visionary as 1 big bad Sinner, then name dropped surtologi and the visionary while linking them to gold in the archon quest so it's not that confusing, and then linked all of them together and expanded with 2 more and linked all of it to the pale princess. Theorizing is fun and hard when books can appear important but suddenly be very important with new info.
thats why I don't like genshin lore theories. Hoyo just manipulates the lore and introduces new info left and right that connects with existing lore but the original info had so little detail (done purposefully by hoyo) that any theories formed using the shrouded info turns out to be hilariously far from the truth. Think back on all the theories made using this book, all of it sounds like absolute bs now.
Dude, what you said at the end about the Cecilia and Inteyvat flowers is way too important for it to just be a “cool fact”. That should have 100% been part of the main video.
I think he just left it as a cool fact because it's relying too heavily on a Honkai connection right now.
I'm sure once there's more info on princess fischl or Istaroth that this will be more significant.
The Prophet has arrived
Lisan Al Gahib
thank you for continuing to dechiper the high tier lore for me because my small brain can't comprehend it without someone to explain it all to me
Cause of death: copium overdose 😭
your videos aged better than theories of other lore enthusiasts. can't wait for the video on IL Capitano!
Very true
No. Maybe better than Ashikai and someone else, but that's it.
@@iosis9324 who else? A lot of other theories from other creators get debunked within a year (which ofc is natural and I don’t blame them). I just noticed because of this comment that it happens less so or even to a lesser scale with this creator. For eg, Dain not being the Prince but being damn close to the right answer.
@@The1andonlysharpshooter No one, every theorist has a theory that comes true and that does not come true, but personally I think chill with aster and murderofbirds (although he is not exactly a theorist channel) has better theories than MNFN.
On the contrary, I personally see how often the theories on this channel turn out to be wrong and rarely get to the point, and to be honest, most of the theories here are very much a foil hat, stretched and meaningless, for example, here with the "Traitor Wind", although he himself admitted how crazy this theory sounds, literally trying to make out the word in English in a Chinese game and substitute the English word for the sound in Egyptian, or other his theories with an attempt to connect the most random games and shows and to say that Hoyoverse were inspired by these games, despite the fact that there is no evidence of this and it may just be a coincidence (If Hoyoverse are inspired by something, they usually write and say in interviews what they were inspired by)
@@iosis9324 Id have to disagree. Hoyo over time has come out to state certain medias have influenced the lore direction of their games. (Ie the girl and the egg movie). Though they never said this from the beginning, this was later confirmed. Usually the connections to foreign medias are either an example in these videos for a previously established idea or are straight up confirmed to be inspired from the creators themselves.
As for Chill with Aster and MNFN, the goal of their videos are completely different. Where MNFN actively uses the lore and their active connections to irl lore to figure out possible story plot lines in the near or far future, Chill with Aster uses only direct lore from the main game to make predictions. For eg, she wouldn’t make a video guessing what Dain’s connection could be to the six Pygmy’s before the recent story quest, which confirmed to us a clear link. That’s more of Ashikai and MNFN’s thing.
Aster’s are more like; “Which symbol belongs to the 11 Fatui harbingers?” Or “Is there a missing 10th Fatui Harbinger?” Basically theory videos that are inherently impossible to say yes or no to unless the game gives us an answer. MNFN and Ashikai try to find an answer through lore *and* irl inspirations for said lore (They’ve confirmed and also been shown to read up on countries history. From ingame fictional stories, to nation names. Even character names show the loyalty to portraying one nation to its irl counterpart.)
Genshin, a Chinese company, does bother with these kinds of translations. I think it would be unfair to assume they don’t. proof or not. But the fact is they do. Yes they’ll go from Chinese to German to English if they have to. Mondstat is a very very good example as it literally means Moon City in German. Which is perfect for the lore of genshin and the nation as a whole.
I’ll admit a lot of theories can be tinfoil ish but I guess that’s the point of them. They’ve always been a sort of entertaining game with some effort to them. But genshin has shown time and time again that they can be very tinfoil-y themselves just with how they reach to the ends of the earth when it comes to in game lore. Iriminsul and all that. (And how the name definitely isn’t a happy accident.)
I think at the end of the day, there are tastes when it comes to theorising. Those who don’t like using what hasn’t been stated in a media, and those who prefer to think beyond the scope of a medium. To each their own.
When you started talking about the Magnum Opus, it made me wonder, could the "Prince of Light" actually be an 'Object' rather than a real person?
I actually think it is an object. The reason I don't mention this however is because we don't have much evidence for it yet.
It could be, and it could also be the 3rd Descender. We know for a fact that the gnoses are the "remnants of the 3rd Descender". And if the Night Mother is the 2nd Descender as we suspect, then it all fits together. The Sinners killed the Descender and stole his "divinity" to ascend. Dainsleif took his body to the tree, where he found the Night Mother. After he left, the Night Mother took the Prince's body and, together with the Primordial One, crafted the gnoses*. This makes the Archons and the Sinners basically opposites - The Seven hold the power of the body, while the Six hold the power of the soul. Ironically, it would seem the Sinners have the power of "Dark" and Archons of "Light", when Pneuma (soul) and Ousia (body) would suggest the opposite - so the gnoses being the power of dark/body could explain why they are "objects of misfortune" and probably why the Archons were willing (allegedly) to part with them.
Then again, that doesn't necessarily mean the 3rd Descender a person - I just think it fits. As Reneé said, Reason might take any form, be that of a sword or of a traveler from afar. If "Reason" means the power of a Descender, which I think it is given it's importance and the association with the color gold, then technically a Descender could indeed be an object. In Star Rail an Aeon can also be anything, not just a living being - IX is a black hole, a thing of nothingness, and Nous is just a perfect AI; a stellaron seemingly possesses the same powers of a Descender, and it is an object. So I think it totally could be an object as well.
* First I though this didn't fit on the timeline of events, because the Cataclysm makes it seem like the death of the Prince of Light happened 500 years ago, but I don't think that's the case. Before dying, the Prince cast the curse of wilderness. We have concrete evidence that this curse existed ling before the Calamity, at least back in the Crimson Moon Dinasty, as Perinheri's friend (forgot his name) transformed into a hillichurl or one of its variants when they left for Sumeru with Angelica. So this means that the sin must have happened a long time ago (and also that the Cataclysm happened for another reason). With that, we can certainly fit this event before the Archon War, when the 1st and 2nd Descenders crafted the gnoses.
@@SirZeleanoh my, you might be on to something
@@SirZelean I thought the cataclysm was set off by Gold/Rhindotter. I think albedo mentions it at some point in an event or something I think (but I may be remembering it completely wrong)
@@SirZelean timeline of events indeed doesnt fit. gnosies were given after archon war which is speculated to be happened +3000 years ago. i think what Night Mother said at last "In thousands of years time, my greatest foe will descend." parallels to traveler. if not then in game we have to wait thousand years for someone to descend.
Dainleif .. a fallen sword ...
Meanwhile bladie : a fallen 🧐
of five, five must pay a price - dainsleif, swordsman of the luofu. something honkai something impact
@@hanchengjun275 the next person to reply has to pay one of the prices
If he yeet the prince into a tree then it also makes sense that he would be the tree keeper. Right?
That's where the Bough Keeper comes from.
The night mother says that the warrior will weild a sword that heralds the dawn and a shield which reflects the sunlight. I think that the sword represents Dain and the shield is Paimon. Just a thought.
I was doubtful when I first read this but after thinking about it for a sec, this makes a lot of sense.
Sword that Heralds the Dawn --> Twilight Sword
Shield that Reflects the Sunlight --> The Moon Reflects the Sunlight (Paimon is heavily associated with the Moon).
It reminded me of the mysterious sword that Kaeya's mythical grandpa lost in the "Arcadian Ruins". Interestingly, at the end of that quest Kaeya gifts the traveler a Harbinger of Dawn sword.
@@DragonMJE"Paimon is not a shield! Paimon is an emergency food! "
There is a point (in Traveler's voicelines I think?) where Traveler asks what kind of God Paimon would be and she says a god of protection
Venti saying to us that " we meet again" is living rent free in my head. If loom of fate can play on the memories , what if our memory in khanreiah is wiped? and we met istaroth there? hence Venti knowing us . idk xD it is maybe all wrong.
If the Pale Princess and the Six Pygmies was an allegory, that suggests that it might be telling a story of events that were (or will be) erased from Irminsul (or the Loom of Fate), which could also be why the Khaenri'ah chapter has no number.
Can we tie the tale of the seelie who fell in love into the tale about the pygmies? There seems to be some overlap.
It's not just an overlap, it's the same events. Pale Princess book is basically about seelie kingdom fall, not about Khaenria that was established later.
Finally someone that realizes this connection!!!
Note that Pale Princess and Six Pygmies was probably written by Andersdottir. Now I'm imagining her showing off the new volume, with the 6 pygmies, to her witch friends in Hexenzircel. And Rhinesdottir recognizing herself in one of them. Their friendship must have been really tested that day.
I've been thinking of the possibility that the deformed pygmy was Rhinedottir, and so Albedo is how she has hidden the prince's body.
And it made me think that the Light Prince may be not a person at all, but knowledge. Knowledge that Pale Princess of the Crimson Moon dynasty wanted to use to escape Teyvat, and knowledge that Eclipse Dynasty repurposed for lesser, practical, purposes. Possibly knowledge of alchemy in its undiluted form. It would certainly be easy to hide knowledge in Irminsul's "tree hollow".
@@kotarouinugami1745 Whoa! Really cool thoughts!
I 100% believe Kahenriah will be "Chapter 0", and we'll either go back in time or relive Khaenriah through our Sibling's memories.
It's like Honkai Impact's Elysian Realm
I think the main plot of Khaenri'ah would be killing the 5 Sinners and maybe we can track them down by going through the siblings memories. After we get the 5 authorities we will probably realise that its incomplete and one part is still missing and that missing part is Dainsleif which is going to lead into the final battle between Dain and Traveller
its gonna be time travelling for sure because khaenriah is destroyed currently
There was an "insight" quite a time ago, a very vague one, saying that Celestia basically erased Khaenria from existence and time.
@@r.d.6290 a nationwide *damnatio memoriae???*
Btw, this also gives sense to the line "save her", as many thinks Dain refers to Lumine, but from all what we have seen she definitely is not the one who need to be saved and Dain does not act like he is trying to do that, more to stop her, not to save her, also it's quite strange to tell a brother that prove that are worthy to save your sister..., but if this theory is right, then he was talking about saving Astaroth, who loved those flowers. So he says to Traveller, that prove that you are the one who will save Astaroth and revive Prince....
It could simply be that she doesn't need to be saved right now but very soon the others will betray her.
..."Red" is the foundational principle, the philosopher's stone, while "yellow" represents gold and mortal temptation. Yellow is simply bait. Red is the final goal. However, Khaenri'ah would likely seek the truth for gold's sake before turning the truth into a bread production pipeline.....
I watched an interesting theory, where if you want the stone, then red last Is the right answer, but if you want the will to rival a world, gold as last, is the right answer
Obviously this is very short and I suppose it's also an very self-explanatory resume
One thing about the colors I do not see mentioned is the theory of the Apocalypse's Four Horsemen (Red, Yellow, White, and Black signifying war, famine, pestilence/plague, and death) and their equally potentially relevant connections and themes to destruction and rebirth
I do feel like there's no way they left the entire book in the files unless we were meant to read it. That might just be rationalization tho
Well this is spicy stuff. Thank you for the food (for thought) and such a well articulated & expanded take on the Sinners = Pygmies theory now that it's really picked up steam after the last AQ. The connections being drawn here are really convincing.
Anyway. Just a thought, but the second you brought up the title for Khaenri'ah being about a larger betrayal of Istaroth/the Thousand Winds, it instantly made me think of your Remuria vid and the potential Cassiodor = Istaroth parallel suggested there. Taking that into account, might it be that the true "betrayal" against Istaroth by Khaenri'ah is somehow related to this hypothetical "mission" Istaroth was given to oppose the HP? That the Sinners' actions against the Pale Princess and Light Prince were an act of selfishness that ended up sabotaging the duo's greater role in Istaroth's last ditch duty of fixing PO's Heavenly PR Nightmare of a situation and that's what their sin is all about? That the Sinners chose the short-term gratification of betraying the Prince in order to become transcendent beings themselves as the great sages for this nation of humanity over the bigger picture of the entire ruling system needing to be overthrown and transcended? Or sth like that, idk, I'm just spitballing here since I really loved the ideas brought up in the Remuria vid even if some of it hasn't aged the best lmao (rip Nibelung = Sinner. but the Contra Mundi thing feels like it's STILL onto sth)
Tho should be said that part of me finding this kinda reading appealing would be that it'd kinda recontextualize the Sinners as less like. Oh they're just absolute evil (which I find just... clashes w the Gnostic themes yakno) and terrible because Abyss something something. And instead having their deal be just a bit more nuanced. Maybe they distrusted the idea of a divine being like a Shade (or their daughter, pending the Paimon theory) being responsible for challenging Celestia but only ended up helping its rule by neutralizing the Prince and letting HP scoop up the Pale Princess as the last remnant of PO's attempts to stop their rule. I mean, iirc Dainsleif literally calls Khaenri'ah the pride of humanity but what if that pride went too far with the Sinners' hubris there?
But ya, no clue how coherent this is lmao it just struck my mind how the themes of these two vids could possibly add up together. Great vid!
This video is amazing!!!!!!!!!
You inpersonating the pygmies was amazing!!!!
The fact that dain has the light prince powers makes so much sense becs the abyss sibling might not have been able to beat him, if dain was serious!!!!!
Also, this makes so much sense i am still blown away but one thing i just thought about(i might be on cracked)
Is how the sustainer told us that the arrogation of mankind end here, now arrogation *not* to be confused with arrogance! It means *the act of taking or claiming something for oneself without justification; usurpation* and it might be directly referred to taking the Prince powers, maybe, or even taking the princes away from the princess
Also another me thoughts, so who exactly is this evil night mother? How did she know about the warrior(traveller) why did she tell dain? Now, i need to rewatch everything, I wish to make more connections between the moon, pale princess, that weird moon wood city or whatever it was
Oh it's kind of cool if we go to take the philosopher's stones from the Sinners bc it sorta parallels the Tsaritsa collecting the Gnoses from the Archons
I used to think that Khaenri'ah was an anagram. I tried googling what names could be formed with these letters, and it gave me Hare Krishna, a mantra dedicated to Krishna, one of the eight avatars of Vishnu... It may have nothing to do with anything, but I find this coincidence interesting ^-^
pale princess may = seelie princess who fell in love with an outlander aka prince of light aka third descender.
If I'm not wrong the Solar Chariot fell in love with the Moon Princess and the downfall of the Seelie's happened from there. It makes sense that the Moon Princess would be the Princess of the Moonlight Forest and the Solar Chariot being the Prince of Light
Exactly. Khaenriah was established after the Unified Civilization fell. And Unified Civilization existed at the same time seelie kingdom existed. And there was a book in game telling about somebody travelling to dark lands and hearing songs in ruins of presumably seelie palaces.
I would be very interested in the comparisons of Dark Souls and Berserk 😭
Same I'm very much interested in this, I noticed passing lore just from Elden Ring so honestly more would be amazing. I find it fascinating how it all links and their inspiration. On top of understanding Genshins lore and where it might possibly go its kinda fun learning what the devs like. I'd also love some HI3 lore cross overs such as the Cecilia flower and Cecilia the person.
@@Infelious The video about the Angel's Egg and Dark Souls changed my life. The fact that afterwards the same thing happened in Star Rail turned me into a new person 😭😂
Amazing to think that Book we got from Lisa that the Abyss Wanted is so Important.
RAHHHH THE BEST TH-camR DROPS ANOTHER BANGER 🔥🔥🔥
I can't help but feel like the pale princess is Lumine. The prince of light is Aether, who, in truth, is actually being reawakened from veing shattered once before. Hence why Lumine is so cold to Dain and calls him a traitor just like how the night mother warned Dain the pale princess would react to the truth. The Abyss sibling is trying to protect their reformed sibling. However the reformed sibling doesn't know this and the Abyss sibling is in danger of meeting the same fate once their own powers are unsealed.
But if Lumine is your main and Aether abyss prince, it doesn’t make sense 😬
OHHHH MY GOD LETS GO. WE ARE WINNING.
EDIT: the hollow knight music fits PERFECTLY omfg thank you
Edit 2: oh brother you cannot just leave us with not knowing whether or not we care about dark souls I WILL ALWAYS WATCH THAT DARK SOULS RULES ❗️❗️❗️
Omg please do those berserk and dark souls lords similarities with the sinners, i can totally see some similarities on themes like Hroptatyr/ Izalith, Vedrfolnir / Seath, Rhinedottir with Nito or Aldrich or even Rerir / Lothric
11:44 "In the new world, they bade farewell to the shrouded sun"
i am excited to learn more about the sinners especially when Genshin does not like Black & White morality or reliable narrators. I am curious on what level of grey they are operating under and what really happened with the prince of light. It's also why I do not fully believe Dains's recounts of events especially when it paints him in the best light. Also, if we do subscribe to the 6 sinners being our true villains, what does that say about the Hexenzirkel circle? Alice? N? I really hope they start giving the traveler some agency and starts questioning everything. At this point, I do not see how any well written protagonist realizes they're a pawn in a chess game started a Decamillennium ago & being completely at peace with it.
Holy bajeesus i dont teven know if my guy cooked or burned everything fuck
Damn I'm early this time. New video from the Lore GOAT so i have to drop exam prep ya know what i mean.
Have many of my own thoughts regarding Six Pygmies being retooled for the sinners + Dain, so excited to see what you have to say.
Impressive video as always :)
So if I understand correctly, Khaenri'ah is located in the Night Realm aka the Abyss and the people there had no sun but a moon. One day, the Prince of Light descended from the Light Realm (elemental realm) and promised the Pale Princess to show her the way to paradise aka the land behind the moon aka the Light Realm. But before they got there, the Prince was murdered by the five Sinners.
What I don't understand: There is king Irmin in all of this, because right now we can only guess the identity of the Pricess and the Sinners.
And if the Prince truly is from the Light Realm, he must be a descender, an elemental being (a dragon) or a creation of the Primordial One.
I'm still sooo confused 😅😂
Because the book is not about Khaenriah, it's about the seelie kingdom that existed before the fall of the primordial unified civilization (we see its ruins marked by triquetra symbol quite a lot).
Khaenriah, "a nation without gods" was established at the same time the unified civilization part at Dragonspine was dying.
He has taught me more than 12 years of school
14:51 I love how these titles of the pygmies reflect as opposite of the true titles of the sinners
Vedrfolnir the Visionary is the Blind pygmy
Hroptatyr the Wise is the Foolish pygmy
Surtalogi the Foul is the Timid pygmy
I'm not so sure for Rhinedottir Gold and Rerir Raecher of Solnari though
But I could be sure that Dainsleif is the Deformed pygmy because, well, he's deformed, occam's razor. Also perhaps the only Pygmy whose title is not used in opposite, maybe to reinstate the fact that Dain might be the only person of the six who are truthful to himself, hence his title is not reversed
Though there might be another interpretation and I might be wrong, but it's neat food for thought
We definitely need more dark souls and berserk lore tie ins. The dark souls lore specifically goes super hard and I would love to hear more about where it relates to Genshin
Kinda out of topic but after reading the Pale Princess books back, it really makes me think that the moon is a hole that connects the void realm with the light realm ._.
Idk about that. The Human Realm is supposed to be the thing that divides the Light Realm from the Abyss. So unless you mean to say the Human Realm is the Moon then its probably not true
@@nothmm8582 Well, because the Moonlight Forest would be the human realm?
I would have loved to know more about the inspirations of Dark Souls and Berserk :D
Great video, as always!
small correction, finland is not a part of scandinavia but nordic countries! - a finn :)
Bruh, what sucks is that I made this exact same mistake a while ago. Next time I need to remember to say Nordic, because that's what I meant.
my theory is that Nibelung was somehow responsible for the foundation of Khaenri'ah. his name also comes from Norse mythology like other characters from the region. maybe pure-blooded kaenri'ahns are descendants of dragons and that's why their eyes look similar to those of vishaps. it would also explain why they didn't follow any gods
Nah, Pure blooded Khaenri'ahs have those eyes because they are the final descendants of the Unified Civilization which was ruled by the Shining Shades.
The Dragons have more reason to hate Khaenri'ahs because they were the original creation of the Primordial Onr.
@@nothmm8582 - Dragons aren't the original creation of the Primordial One. They're the original inhabitants of Teyvat who the Primordial One conquered.
@@DrakeWurrum i was referring to Khaenri'ahs not Dragons tho :/
My guy needs to be paid more than he gets
Khraun-Arya! You forgot the cycles of eras we found in the Tower of Gestalt!
So, Khaenryans are Aryans?
dude im not gonna lie i got to the part where you read the pale princess and it made me subscribe, you did a good job with the voices, bravo!!
This theory makes me wonder tho. If Istaroth is the night mother and she is painted as a villian in that story how come in teyvat's history (such as the records of before sun and moon) she is depicted as good. The only one to follow the people of enka when they went under?
I really had this feeling in the past that this Prince of Light is Nibelung, the Dragon king.. and the power that this sinner divided is the Body of Nibelung.
But if The pale princess is Istaroth... OMg., sorry my head hurts.
Do you remember where did the golden butterfly existed in Teyvat? The butterflies that shows in Caribert's realm. I remember there are some near the entrance of Sakura Shrine, but I can't remember the other places.
Hu Tao's afterlife realm from her story quest & the Narzissenkreuz questline
There's a theory that the Loom of Fate will revive Kheanrian. Rather a Copy of the Nation before it was destroyed.
Maybe that's why there is no chaoter number. Because for all purposes it is a Nation that Doesnt Exist.
I think the power they took from the prince was the power of the Gnosis, and that the prince is THE 4th decender. The princess & prince remind me so much of the seelie & outlander that fell in love and were separated and had their memories stolen. This would link the Night Mother to the Moon Sisters. Btw in genshin, power = memories (Ashikai credit), so stealing the princes memories could have been the same event as stealing his power, the night mother saw it and let it happen. During the feast the princess was dealt with, and this event ALSO marks the fall of the seelie race and the event that caused the moon sisters to kill each other.
Are you trying to suggest that the 6 Great Khaenri'ahs usurped the powers of the Traveller? Its highly unlikely.
The power they usurped was probably that of a Descender who we dont even know about
It was confirmed that the traveler was the 4th
Could the pale princess be one of the three moon sister? Because they used to love an outlander and she might be the moon we see in the 12th floor of the spiral abyss
Actually Sumeru is based on India, Middle East and North eastern Africa, while The rainforest part is based on India, the desert part is on Middle East and Egypt and it's neighboring countries.
I think the Pale Princess is either Paimon, or Lumine. But considering that the pygmies are the traitors of Khaenriah, and the twins were regarded highly in Khaenriah and integral to their plans...enough to get the prince and princess title...It would be strange if the twins werent in the tale as well in some shape or form.
We are missing a large chunk of events...and I wonder....What if the tale is actually talking about what happened after Sustainer/Asmoday captured them? What if the pygmy five managed to beat down the shades, take back the travelers, and proceeded to take the powers of our sibling and Dain then tried to save the twins. That could explain why we lost our powers while the abyss sibling retained hers, why we were knocked out so long, why we arent seeing Asmoday appear again. But it also leaves a big mystery of why the abyss sibling would side with the pygmies after they dismembered the sibling.
The pygmy story can also fit in on Phanes... As he/she has the 5 shades and they seem to have "dismembered" a descender and combined the remains with the authority of the dragons to create the 7 gnosis.
History sure like to repeat itself...
Idk about you guys, but I’m a minute into the vid and bro gives strong Stolas vibes.
Love it.
So would the philosopher's stones be the Gnosis? Or something else? I feel like the Gnosis being the remnants of the 3rd descender also may play into this...some how??
There is a very good argument for Visions and Gnoses being the equivalents of a Philosopher's Stone in Genshin.
The way I literally JUMPED when this showed up in my feed
Oh I forgot about something that has been bothering me for some time now: the number of chess pieces on the board played in the la signora funeral video (the intro to the Fatui harbingers... of dawn):
If chess has 8 pieces (counting the pawn), but we have 11 harbingers so much more pieces than are necessary on the classic chess board: could it be that we only have 5 different /special "powerful" pieces ( 5 harbingers or/and sinners) and the rest are pawns? Plus la signora is shown to be a pawn vanquished by a knight.
Sooo... Could it be that the Fatui got their comédia dellarte monika from the 5 sinners/ sages?
(They couldn't be the same as Pierrot/the fool, because he supposedly wasn't considered wise enough to be part of king irmin's sages. Thus after the calamity he went to the tsarita to propose "his services"...
This raises so many questions with regards to the curse you theorized the pale princess put upon kaenrians : like how shneznaya a northern land with boreal auroras, has limited sunlight. (maybe that's how pierrot as a kaenrian can live above ground.)
The blind/visionary = columbina? The " timid" may be the Fatui counterpart of Il capitano (just because this silly hollow knight is too shy to show his face😂).
This comparison of the sinners' nicknames to the Fatui ones lies on the fact that the Fatui also are collecting fragments of the 3rd descender, possibly to resurect him or gain more power?
But what does it mean then when dainslead says in the bed time story interlude chapter that the 5 sinners, his brothers, could have saved kaenriah?... If I follow your train of thought about the sinners being tempted by more power and consuming fragments of the prince of light /3rd descender, got access to the forbidden knowledge of khemia transmutation, either acquiring immortality, or... Heh what else does the philosopher stone gives you? Wisdom?
I also see how in the Persian and Egyptian ancestor of chess, we can find figures of the 5 sages under animal form. It's always 5 or 4+1 in all those ancient civilizations: mondstadt and the 4 winds, deshret and his desert sages, Remuria and it's harmosts. Coincidence that all these civilisations that have fought fate ended up with the same. Number of sages : what a loop of réincarnations 🤔
Crazy thing, might the twins be creations of gold?
i was just thinking about the five sinners in the context of the six pygmies recently, so this vid couldn't be more timely :) can't wait to finish it!
W vid
Bro, BRO! Not only has your audio quality improved (can still be improved), but goddamn KUDOS to you for the extremely accurately pronunciations when reading Arabic. It's very impressive.
That separation of the word Khaenri'ah it's in--game too!
The paper that the Narzissenkreuz Ordo wrote about samsara cycles, separates Khaenri'ah in 2 words, Khraun-Arya, which might be as if we separate Khaen Ri'ah.
So I don't think this is copium.
You know it's getting serious when you have to take unavailable game files out🥶
Going by the story of the six pygmies who are probably scientists, and one of them is royalty I have my suspicions that the sinners summon the twins probably represents the the prince from another world of light pretty much the surface or Another World. But their curiosity got the best of them they wanted to see more of the universe and accidentally created a portal to the rest of the universe pretty much releasing forbidden knowledge and an ancient curse and summoned an army of monsters from another world.
This genuinely might be one of the best genshin theory videos ever made
I'm starting to think, and just go with me a bit, that Paimon is the reincarnation of Lumine. i think everything in teyvat has been caught in a loop of the same souls and memories being reconstituted and reborn. And Aether could break that cycle and either restore the souls or let them carry on living as they are. And lumine is the remaining fragments, with irmunsol having responded to aethers wish for his sister and using that outline of a memory of his favourite travelling companion created Paimon. And Paimon and lumine have this shared existence where neither is truly there whilst the other one is as well. This would be after Lumines journey through Teyvat and her eventual demise whatever that might have been
it could even explain why lumine is from Teyvat, because shes sort of been reborn in teyvat as paimon.
Bro I think u Cooked. See you in Khanriah
The blade refrance 😂
Wtf I'm fascinated by how deep your research is in these videos.
edit. Peak VA segment @15:22
@my name for now... Congrats you cracked genshin's real story
At the post-Simulanka quest, I couldn’t help but remember your mentioning of Level 61 in Fly Me to the Moon when Sethos’ final question for Cyno and Dori was how many names were circled on page 61. Dori answered 6(?) but Cyno guessed right with 5. Had no idea what 5 could represent but then I remembered this video.
You are by far the best lore theorycrafter I have come across!! I'm convinced of this theory now lol
So...what if the Travellors sibling is the Pale Princess and the Night Mothers jab at the Disfigured Pygmy about what shed think about what happened to the Prince has already come to fruition and thats why the sibling hates him now? Because the sibling knows what he was a part of?
Bro a berserk and dark souls comparison to the pygmies would go insane 🔥🔥
bro is masterchef atp
Arlecchino is pale princess. My theory is that she is Istaroth and the crimson moon dynasty’s king’s daughter.
I just wanted to add that the title of Surtalogi (the Foul) was translated as 'the Abominable Knight' in Portuguese. And Rerir is 'Moon Avenger'.
Everything else is the same.
A really strange theory popped into my head
If the creation of Albedo is a form of forbidden knowledge and Gold plays such a big part into why the destruction of that land happened, could it be linked to his creation? And the reason he will go mad is because he too came to the conclusion as to how he was really created? I would go mad too knowing that.
‘ But I thought in the books that using alchemy to make people is forbidden” Quote from Episode 2 of Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood
The ultimate taboo to Alchemy is human transmutation.
The sin of the hydro archon was creating humans too....ik this isn't related but still gives me thoughts now
@@nicolas._.2294 OOOOHHH!! you are cooking and I love it! It has got me thinking!
I believe that the prince is the 3rd descender. The 6 sinners killed the descender and tore his body into pieces thus creating the gnoses.
This parallels Nahida with the Sages. They took advantage Nahida losing her power. I imagine something similar happened to the outlander losing his power then becoming vulnerable to the sinners. Maybe the Sinners created a Vinster King parallel to Artificial God Scaramouche.
Man I love your channel so much, the only lore channel that keeps me engaged! Amazing work!
Mhmmm so I heard 7 more years of Genshin 👀 the tstritsa hunts the gnosis & then phase two is
- finding out what happened to celestia/ exploring it
- the night mothers reveal
- the traveler now hunting down the philosophers stones ( new elemental powers) & then facing the night mother facing his sibling &
Finally fighting dain after learning the full truth of this world 🌍 🤯🤯🤯
I remember already learning the translation from khaenri'ha from another video in 2021. I saw it on tik tok.
Teyvat has and had more then 7 or “8” nations.. literally know tons of civilizations existed once… fyi UNITED STATES OF CELESTIA.. it’s literally ONE NATION with 7 STATES.. STATE government is 7 “nations” and Celestia is the FEDERAL GOV… OR if not the USA its the EU.. but either way their all “STATES”of a “NATION” and all other areas out of celestias jurisdiction are ignored or forgotten by ppl sadly
If Kiana is the Pale Princess and Cecilia is Istaroth, then the theory that Kevin is The Primordial One might actually be true
The Natlan chapter will have something to do with resurrection, right? So my theory revolves around how Fatui collect the gnoses. We know that the gnoses are the remains of the third descender, what if the third descender is the prince. What if the Fatui are collecting the gnoses to revive the prince.
The thin foil hat had me on the ground
Pale Princess = Tsaritsa ?
Probably not but who knows…she def lost a lot of love
Please make separate video of similarities with dark souls and berserk, would love to see it
the moment I heard the sinner are transended beings I thought of berserk.
ok but i'd want a video comparing the six pygmies to dark souls & berserk. PLEASE