Highest appreciation to Mr. Matsumura´s contribution to Karate. What I like most is his strategical approach thrrugh footwork and technical precision. May he rest in peace. A great masn of Karate he was. Paul,69
Thank You... that was a fair assessment of Shorin Ryu Matsumura Seito. Yes, the real Matsumura Seito can still be found, however much of "the old way" has been diluted by the vast majority claiming that "they" are the heir to the system and that "they" know the "mysterious secrets". A lot of other styles give their Kata a Matsumura name... but few barely resemble the real Matsumura Seito kata. While it is true that Soken (Bushi) Matsumura and his direct students taught many of the founders of styles around today... he taught his grandson Nabe, arguably, the pure Matsumura Shuri-te (later changed to Seito). Hohan Soken Matsumura, who was Nabe's nephew (Bushi's great-grandson) and only student, then became the Grand Master of what today is Shorin Ryu Matsumura Seito. Hohan Soken spent from 1924 to 1952 in south America and avoided WWII and also avoided the changes made to Karate with American influence after the war. Unfortunately Hohan Soken had no family heirs. During your video (minute 5:23 photo taken 1960-64 ) shows Soken's first American student, James Coffman and Fuse Kise. Both still are alive. Kise's roots are in the Shorin-Ji style and James was his prize student. Both were fortunate enough to learn and be taught by "The Teacher of Teachers" Hohan Soken Matsumura while still practicing. Kise remained with Hohan Soken through the early 1970s. Hohan Soken died in 1982 (I think) Kise now calls his flavor of the style Kenshin-Kan . If you want the old style Matsumura, James Coffman changed nothing that I know of but flavored with Shorin-Ji Ryu... still rock-hard at about 80 years old (guessing age, but sure about rock-hard) (Check out smoka-usa) Again, thanks for the fair history lesson... You have to remember, ALL karate experts seem to embellish (some more than others)
In 1971-1972 I was stationed on Okinawa at Kadena AB. I had the privilege is studying the Matsumura style from the masters. I did not get to take the style to or long because I had started later in my time there. Received my Green belt be and was be on getting to Brown, but had to leave. 20 years later I found myself sparing with my friend who was into world class kickboxing. He had told me I had good defense. I told him the style of mine. I explained he should have seen me 20 years earlier. The belts there were Green 5, Green 4, Brown 3,2,1, and Black. For Black belt testing you had to defend against 5 opponents we without getting hit, to the best of your ability. Nearly all could. I have avoided many fights by telling what I had taken on Okinawa.
@@MatsumuraSeito well technique cameras were invented in the 1840s and motion pictures around the 1890s but you missing what I was getting at it’s bullshit regardless.
I think that the old styles should be both preserved as they are, and still adapted to modern needs. Both ways should be taught simultaneously. As a master, I know, once said: "Know the past to understand the present".
The first and only time I ear someone saying Matsumura teching karate to japanese samurais who ruled and controlled Okinawa and didnt trust any Okinawans .This sound weird and suspect.
If you mean warriors of the Ryukyu kingdom, or penchin in their native language, then I can agree. But for him to have taught Japanese samurai of the Satsumi clan I would need to see historical documentation. I have been wrong before, but I have learned that oral history is usually passed down with errors or misinterpretation due to Language skills.
@@johnbain1908 All of the early masters were Samurai class, and Karate was not taught to lower classes... until social reforms kicked in. There was more clans than just the Satsuma in the Ryukyu Islands.
Yes , a True , warrior, fast , efficient, selective , intelligent , grasping many principles, of the responsibility, of a very deadly art. Not , to be used unless. Required , to protect , oneself ,or your family , friends , neighbours, , training , in multiple , opponent scenario's, not just one on one , the importance of kata , , the importance for timing , distancing, striking , even touching certain points , in a certain way , using energies , , spiritual concepts, not known to many , must be acquired , cannot just be , taught , some. Things , must remain elusive , it carries great responsibility. Not everything, is about breaking boards , or competition , where real life , cannot be used , competition , must be structured, with rules , real life, is very different , especially if faced with armed attackers , and nowhere to run , no door to leave by . Other than , through , at least , thirty men , and not actually having to fight anyone one of them , to leave , peacefully , not harming them , not getting harmed yourself , either , That is a skillset . I loved , the line , from enter the dragon , the art , of fighting without fighting, , just one gesture , one movement , however slight , can avoid confrontation, or divert , assimilate , redirect, blows aimed at you , something's must remain , mysterious, , it carries such responsibility, compassion, awareness, , sometimes , the most deadliest person in a room could be the old man , crippled with , degeneration , in some way , but very knowledgeable, , even his smile may hide , his demeanor, his attributes , never take anyone for granted, never underestimate , others , Being young, skilful agile , explosive in movement may give some great confidence , great at. Competition under rules, of engagement, but real life situations are very different. How many can face , a maniac , with a deadly weapon , coming at you , two very dangerous combinations just there , plus another from yourself , so three very dangerous combinations , in that situation , karate , is not all about competition , it is not all about agility , ability , to stretch , move , with most perfect , form techniques, it is very much more. Some things remain , mysterious , liked your video . Karate, is a way of life, disciplined, especially carrying great responsibility. To yourself and others. It is not all about modern karate , traditional does have it's values.
This the the Matsumura leg that Master Yuichi Kuda began after Hohan Soken's passing... Correct? ... Didn't Kobukan begin as Matsumura Kenpo or is that what his son changed it to with a new set of Kata? Oh, say "hi" to Fred E. from me.
All ancient martial arts needs preserving or anything that can be learned from these will be lost. It's a necessity not a option modern techniques could be made from these or some may no longer apply but this does not matter, it may be used or useful in the future.
It's the 2024 buddy with modern biology and science today pretty much all effective combat techniques involving punching and kicking or grappling is known now......only so many ways a human body and punch or kick or whatever and be effective Is studied and known.....old martial arts didn't have modern science and biomechanics hence they are not as effective.....facts
@teovu5557 fact, I have used ancient wrist locks that are a lot better than modern day one's faster and more effective, these was nearly lost to history. There's also many banned moves that have been banned for good reason that also should not be lost to history.
Highest appreciation to Mr. Matsumura´s contribution to Karate. What I like most is his strategical approach thrrugh footwork and technical precision. May he rest in peace. A great masn of Karate he was. Paul,69
Thank you for sharing.
Thank You... that was a fair assessment of Shorin Ryu Matsumura Seito. Yes, the real Matsumura Seito can still be found, however much of "the old way" has been diluted by the vast majority claiming that "they" are the heir to the system and that "they" know the "mysterious secrets". A lot of other styles give their Kata a Matsumura name... but few barely resemble the real Matsumura Seito kata. While it is true that Soken (Bushi) Matsumura and his direct students taught many of the founders of styles around today... he taught his grandson Nabe, arguably, the pure Matsumura Shuri-te (later changed to Seito).
Hohan Soken Matsumura, who was Nabe's nephew (Bushi's great-grandson) and only student, then became the Grand Master of what today is Shorin Ryu Matsumura Seito. Hohan Soken spent from 1924 to 1952 in south America and avoided WWII and also avoided the changes made to Karate with American influence after the war. Unfortunately Hohan Soken had no family heirs. During your video (minute 5:23 photo taken 1960-64 ) shows Soken's first American student, James Coffman and Fuse Kise. Both still are alive. Kise's roots are in the Shorin-Ji style and James was his prize student. Both were fortunate enough to learn and be taught by "The Teacher of Teachers" Hohan Soken Matsumura while still practicing. Kise remained with Hohan Soken through the early 1970s. Hohan Soken died in 1982 (I think) Kise now calls his flavor of the style Kenshin-Kan . If you want the old style Matsumura, James Coffman changed nothing that I know of but flavored with Shorin-Ji Ryu... still rock-hard at about 80 years old (guessing age, but sure about rock-hard) (Check out smoka-usa)
Again, thanks for the fair history lesson... You have to remember, ALL karate experts seem to embellish (some more than others)
In 1971-1972 I was stationed on Okinawa at Kadena AB. I had the
privilege is studying the Matsumura style from the masters. I did not get to take the style to or long because I had started later in my time there. Received my Green belt be and was be on getting to Brown, but had to leave.
20 years later I found myself sparing with my friend who was into world class kickboxing. He had told me I had
good defense. I told him the style of mine. I explained he should have seen
me 20 years earlier. The belts there were Green 5, Green 4, Brown 3,2,1, and Black. For Black belt testing you had to defend against 5 opponents
we without getting hit, to the best of your ability. Nearly all could. I have avoided many fights by telling what I had taken on Okinawa.
There were cameras to record videos of these grand masters but there are no videos to see them fighting, what is that mean?
It means this is bullshit.
no video back then in the mid 1800s, that's what is means
@@Mrcashewww wow, can you elaborate , that was in the 1800s????
@@MatsumuraSeito well technique cameras were invented in the 1840s and motion pictures around the 1890s but you missing what I was getting at it’s bullshit regardless.
@@Mrcashewww again, elaborate, what is BS about it? Cameras etc., Okinawa was a very rural place in the 1800's, I doubt few if anyone had cameras.
No mention of sakagawa sensei?
♏🥷 both, as 🕒 unfolds, so would the knowledge, going backwards and forwards,in the eternal present, sensei.
I think that the old styles should be both preserved as they are, and still adapted to modern needs. Both ways should be taught simultaneously. As a master, I know, once said: "Know the past to understand the present".
The first and only time I ear someone saying Matsumura teching karate to japanese samurais who ruled and controlled Okinawa and didnt trust any Okinawans .This sound weird and suspect.
Karate was the exclusive practice of the Okinawan samurai class.
A lot of people don't like that truth.
If you mean warriors of the Ryukyu kingdom, or penchin in their native language, then I can agree. But for him to have taught Japanese samurai of the Satsumi clan I would need to see historical documentation. I have been wrong before, but I have learned that oral history is usually passed down with errors or misinterpretation due to Language skills.
@@johnbain1908 All of the early masters were Samurai class, and Karate was not taught to lower classes... until social reforms kicked in.
There was more clans than just the Satsuma in the Ryukyu Islands.
@ if you want to call it semantics that is fine. The original Ryukyu kingdom language was not Japanese so they would not have used the term samurai.
@@johnbain1908Japanese was the official language since the 1800s. Both samurai and penchin were used interchangeablely.
Yes , a True , warrior, fast , efficient, selective , intelligent , grasping many principles, of the responsibility, of a very deadly art. Not , to be used unless. Required , to protect , oneself ,or your family , friends , neighbours, , training , in multiple , opponent scenario's, not just one on one , the importance of kata , , the importance for timing , distancing, striking , even touching certain points , in a certain way , using energies , , spiritual concepts, not known to many , must be acquired , cannot just be , taught , some. Things , must remain elusive , it carries great responsibility. Not everything, is about breaking boards , or competition , where real life , cannot be used , competition , must be structured, with rules , real life, is very different , especially if faced with armed attackers , and nowhere to run , no door to leave by . Other than , through , at least , thirty men , and not actually having to fight anyone one of them , to leave , peacefully , not harming them , not getting harmed yourself , either , That is a skillset . I loved , the line , from enter the dragon , the art , of fighting without fighting, , just one gesture , one movement , however slight , can avoid confrontation, or divert , assimilate , redirect, blows aimed at you , something's must remain , mysterious, , it carries such responsibility, compassion, awareness, , sometimes , the most deadliest person in a room could be the old man , crippled with , degeneration , in some way , but very knowledgeable, , even his smile may hide , his demeanor, his attributes , never take anyone for granted, never underestimate , others , Being young, skilful agile , explosive in movement may give some great confidence , great at. Competition under rules, of engagement, but real life situations are very different. How many can face , a maniac , with a deadly weapon , coming at you , two very dangerous combinations just there , plus another from yourself , so three very dangerous combinations , in that situation , karate , is not all about competition , it is not all about agility , ability , to stretch , move , with most perfect , form techniques, it is very much more. Some things remain , mysterious , liked your video . Karate, is a way of life, disciplined, especially carrying great responsibility. To yourself and others. It is not all about modern karate , traditional does have it's values.
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This the the Matsumura leg that Master Yuichi Kuda began after Hohan Soken's passing... Correct? ... Didn't Kobukan begin as Matsumura Kenpo or is that what his son changed it to with a new set of Kata? Oh, say "hi" to Fred E. from me.
Keep the style as is for now.😎👍🏼🤷♂️😊
All ancient martial arts needs preserving or anything that can be learned from these will be lost. It's a necessity not a option modern techniques could be made from these or some may no longer apply but this does not matter, it may be used or useful in the future.
It's the 2024 buddy with modern biology and science today pretty much all effective combat techniques involving punching and kicking or grappling is known now......only so many ways a human body and punch or kick or whatever and be effective
Is studied and known.....old martial arts didn't have modern science and biomechanics hence they are not as effective.....facts
@teovu5557 fact, I have used ancient wrist locks that are a lot better than modern day one's faster and more effective, these was nearly lost to history. There's also many banned moves that have been banned for good reason that also should not be lost to history.
@@teovu5557 sooooo.... a fist is much "harder" now ?
All lies