Alonso’s overtake on Schumacher is just pure bravery, and Kimi’s pass was dramatic and iconic thanks to the build up it had and just showed how insane kimi’s pace was
In an interview about the overtake on Schumacher Fernando Alonso said that he knew Michael would not challenge him in to 130r because he has a wife and Kids. That man has ice in his veins, incredible!
And 7 titles. And a slow ass car. Prime Schumacher, 1998-2000, in a car as good as that Renault, with wife and kids, goes into that 130R and...Fernando Alonso from Spain has to lift off the throttle if he doesn't want to end his own career.
Was rewatching this race literally yesterday. Imo, Kimi’s greatest ever performance. And the off-board camera angle for the Alonso pass on Schumi just emphasised the sheer insanity of the overtake. Miss the lightweight cars + screaming V10s a lot. Edit: Suzuka is the best!
The size, weight and grip of the new era of cars makes them pretty boring. You’ve got classic turns that are no longer challenges due to the grip like Ea Rouge and 130R as mentioned (+ a dozen or more others), the weight which makes them less agile + exciting, the width which further reduces wheel-to-wheel possibilities and finally the overall speed produced by the greater downforce and grip (higher speeds ALWAYS worse racing).
Kimi was just insane at the time. Too bad the McLaren couldn't quite hold up well enough, a proper Kimi vs Nando title fight would have been amazing that year. But we of course ended up getting 2007, one of the most thrilling title fights of all time.
This has to be my all-time favorite F1 Race. I remember getting up early, waking up my dad and watching our favorite driver going from P17 to win this incredible race. I've watched it several times and Kimi's overtake on Fischella always puts a smile on my face :)
The best wheel to wheel racing and passes ever in one was the 2014 Silverstone GP and also featured Alonso making most of the amazing passes, including two passes on Vettel at Copse at 190 mph separated by inches at most. And he had about 4 other insane passes that day.
I remember as a teenager watching this race and absolutely losing my mind when kimi made that pass!! It was 2-3 am here in America and I yelled when he made the pass and scared everyone in my house! Still my favorite race of all time!
Although they didn't start there, Jensen Button (Canada) and Checo Perez (Sakhir) fell back to last place when they made their comeback to win their race
I remember watching it live as an absolutely massive Kimi fan. I remember it like yesterday and I didn't have dry eyes after that last lap. Probably the greatest race ever, even with my Kimi fan tinted glasses on.
Kimi Räikkönen doesn't hold the record for the lowest starting position to a race win. John Watson has the record, having started 22nd in the 1983 United States Grand Prix West (Grand Prix of Long Beach). Another fun fact: Niki Lauda, who finished second in the same race, started from 23rd.
I remember watching that live. It was an awesome race. Real edge of the seat stuff. I remember being exhausted at the end lol! Some outstanding driving that day. I think the first one just has the edge because of the reason that makes the best overtakes IMHO - it wasn't expected. Again, in my opinion, that moment when you're yelling "No *#@!ing way!" after seeing an audacious overtake where no one ever does it, that's what makes them special. Similarly, unexpected overtakes for other reasons. Away from that classic you were talking about, I should only need to say, Schumi, Mika, Zonta, Spa. _That_ was an all-time great, not because it was more dangerous necessarily, but because even Murray had never seen it! Nobody did that. So that is what makes the best overtakes to me.
Man how much MUCH better F1 cars were back then. And thats not just nostalgia talking. They look absolutely stunning, small, light, nimble, the liveries... and the noise.... THE FUCKING NOISE. I'm gonna cry in a corner again.
Suzuka 2005 is my favorite Kimi race, but talking about overtakes, Nelson over Senna at Hungary 86 is probably the best of all time, it’s rough, over the top, dramatic and Brazilian!
Fernando's racecraft is out of this world. What a shame the new generations have lost his talent on track during these past years. Hopefully this year we'll see his talent in the first grid positions again fighting with Max, Lewis, Charles... where Fernando really belongs
To be honest, I enjoy watching two drivers battling an scrapping for positions, much more than just overtaking. It’s a showcase of racing skill and respect. Even better if the surroundings of the track make it look speedy. That’s why I loved Ocon and Alonso in Jeddah last year so much. That’s why I don’t fully understand people’s desire for more overtakes from circuits that underperform in that regard (eg. Monaco, Paul Ricard, Catalunya, etc.)
I love the Alonso on Schumacher overtake, probably a bit of nostalgia bcuz I remember it so well when i saw it first, and also because in the broadcast, Alonso makes Schumi look so slow, its just amazing. Also i just absolutely love Alonso.
I have a feeling alonso's overtake on Hamilton this year (2023) at Bahrain has potential to be overtake of the year ngl!! Alonso just has it in him at all times!!
Another shout for the greatest overtake is Lewis on rosberg in Japan 2014. Equal cars and terrible conditions he did pretty much the same move as kimi here. Surprised how little this gets brought up.
Obviously Alonsos move on Schumacher was unbelievable but my favorite (maybe of all time) is his breathtaking move on Webber. Dont know too many moves that are done on the grass!
Just a random question, do you use the current colour pallette of your channel because of West Ham's colours? Ik they're not exactly the same but reminds me of the brown
9:34 I’m gonna say the bravery of an overtake mainly because anyone can do a fairly simple overtake up the inside but an round the outside overtake needs allot of bravery but so would an inside overtake I think all so late breaking is a factor aswell because for example Strolls overtake in Jeddah round the outside was impressive and needed a lot of bravery cause of the circuit the corner and the situation and mainly required a lot of bravery and less to do with the breaks however Ricciardo overtake on Bottas when he was in the Red Bull and Bottas was in the Merc in either 2017 or 2018 also required bravery because of how tight but also Ricciardo’s late breaking was what made that a good overtake for me so overall for the overtake to be a good one I think it depends on a couple of things. The situation the track and the person making the overtake
@@TommoMcCluskey yea true I guess it depends on the situation a lot weather an overtake is good or not and depends on the audience aswell what set they think
I see the name of the video and have to say there are still many more races that are mich better then suzuka 2005 it was a great one also kimi is my favourite driver but still many many better races
People sometimes forget about Kimi's Mclaren years, and just think of him as this guy with an odd sense of humor, and getting the vibes that he doesn't really care. He was, back in the day, one of the hottest prospects. Remember, he was brought to Ferrari to replace Schumacher. And is still the last Ferrari drivers champion. And the reputation that he doesn't really care, well, the 2005 US Grand Prix, he was absolutely furious and he really wanted to race. There was more to him than meets the eye. Still, none of those, as great as they are, beat the Hakkinen overtake on Schumacher. That image is burned into my brain.
Word, Kimi absolutely loves racing and wouldn't have spent 20 years in F1 if he didn't. He just hates the corporate PR side of it and is honest enough to say it out loud, which some people mistake for him not having been motivated.
@@DarthJF I absolutely respect him for making fun and basically mocking the whole PR side of things. Like eliminating himself from a quiz on purpose, I think he knows there is some PR that he has to do, but what they wanted was too much, so he didn't care.
@@alexlacl8730 Yep, those are some great wins too, but considering from where they had to win, Raikkonen from P17 and Button pitting like 5 times with penalty, just such strong comebacks.
This is Kimi Raikkonen at his absolute best! He was the fastest driver in the world in 2005 and this race definitely proved it! What an overtake to lead the one lap that matters! The last lap!
From a technical perspective an ideal overtake is very unremarkable, you simply drive past them on a straight with no loss of time or excessive wear on the car but for me I likes 'em fast and I likes 'em sketchy, put the car somewhere it's not supposed to be and somehow get through without contact
Its not my favourite but it makes made me finally respect Lewis's racecraft, 2021 Lewis vs Max Sao Paulo, overtake for the lead , Lewis set Max up in turn 1 with a fake to the inside and i think its turn 4 he pulls off the move. He put him in a compromised line, and honestly setting a grown man like that, is some disrespectful sh*t. If Alonso did that i would have wrote a poem, so hats off
How can you possible say these are some of the greatest overtakes of all time? I feel like that is such a subjective question in general. Especially how different each generation of car is. How is Lewis double overtake better or worse then either one of these? It's just an impossibled question and answer.
9:26 It isn't the record. John Watson 1983 US GP West in Long Beach he came from P22 to win. Lauda finished P2 from P23.
And Barrichello in Germany 2000 won from 19th
@@supermarconso *18th
Thanks, can’t believe I didn’t know that.
sergio perez also did sth like that
@@lilover2 Sakhir 2020 he started P5, but was P18 and last after Lap1 and won after that.
Alonso’s overtake on Schumacher is just pure bravery, and Kimi’s pass was dramatic and iconic thanks to the build up it had and just showed how insane kimi’s pace was
This is my favorite race of all time!
Worldies everywhere!
It's the build-up that did it for me. Similar to Häkkinen's legendary overtake of Schumi at Spa.
In an interview about the overtake on Schumacher Fernando Alonso said that he knew Michael would not challenge him in to 130r because he has a wife and Kids.
That man has ice in his veins, incredible!
Chills
And 7 titles. And a slow ass car.
Prime Schumacher, 1998-2000, in a car as good as that Renault, with wife and kids, goes into that 130R and...Fernando Alonso from Spain has to lift off the throttle if he doesn't want to end his own career.
@@C3rb3ruS_88 You sound butt hurt. Relax
@@C3rb3ruS_88true
Was rewatching this race literally yesterday. Imo, Kimi’s greatest ever performance. And the off-board camera angle for the Alonso pass on Schumi just emphasised the sheer insanity of the overtake. Miss the lightweight cars + screaming V10s a lot.
Edit: Suzuka is the best!
Those little chassis' were something special eh. Hope you're well man!
@@TommoMcCluskey Doing good bro. Hope you are too. Great vid as per!
The size, weight and grip of the new era of cars makes them pretty boring. You’ve got classic turns that are no longer challenges due to the grip like Ea Rouge and 130R as mentioned (+ a dozen or more others), the weight which makes them less agile + exciting, the width which further reduces wheel-to-wheel possibilities and finally the overall speed produced by the greater downforce and grip (higher speeds ALWAYS worse racing).
Kimi was just insane at the time. Too bad the McLaren couldn't quite hold up well enough, a proper Kimi vs Nando title fight would have been amazing that year. But we of course ended up getting 2007, one of the most thrilling title fights of all time.
Yeah we were kinda denied a worldie battle weren't we.
This has to be my all-time favorite F1 Race. I remember getting up early, waking up my dad and watching our favorite driver going from P17 to win this incredible race. I've watched it several times and Kimi's overtake on Fischella always puts a smile on my face :)
It truly had a bit of everything. What a worldie it was.
The best wheel to wheel racing and passes ever in one was the 2014 Silverstone GP and also featured Alonso making most of the amazing passes, including two passes on Vettel at Copse at 190 mph separated by inches at most. And he had about 4 other insane passes that day.
I remember as a teenager watching this race and absolutely losing my mind when kimi made that pass!! It was 2-3 am here in America and I yelled when he made the pass and scared everyone in my house! Still my favorite race of all time!
Although they didn't start there, Jensen Button (Canada) and Checo Perez (Sakhir) fell back to last place when they made their comeback to win their race
True true
The verstappen overtake on rosberg in 2016 sao Paulo is insane as well
overatted
Mad instincts to find that grip
@F1gilles the wet racing line that almost nobody in that race had the balls to take. Except a teenager
Still pics instead of videos. Awesome! 👍
It's crazy to me that we still have a driver from that brilliant generation racing now
And looks a world away from stopping n'all
I remember watching it live as an absolutely massive Kimi fan. I remember it like yesterday and I didn't have dry eyes after that last lap. Probably the greatest race ever, even with my Kimi fan tinted glasses on.
Kimi Räikkönen doesn't hold the record for the lowest starting position to a race win. John Watson has the record, having started 22nd in the 1983 United States Grand Prix West (Grand Prix of Long Beach). Another fun fact: Niki Lauda, who finished second in the same race, started from 23rd.
Race of attrition that sounds like
@@TommoMcCluskey Yeah. I assume it was chucking it down but idk?
Watson was known for finishing in the top 5 numerous times despite starting at the back
@@housesports000 There's a joke in there about starting at the back and finishing on top.
This was Kimis best drive by far, one of the best single performances in the history of f1
Man on a mission.
Really enjoyed this Tommo! As a newer F1 fan, I'd love to see more videos looking back at past races.
Cheers Dan, glad you enjoyed it! 🙌
I remember watching that live. It was an awesome race. Real edge of the seat stuff. I remember being exhausted at the end lol! Some outstanding driving that day.
I think the first one just has the edge because of the reason that makes the best overtakes IMHO - it wasn't expected. Again, in my opinion, that moment when you're yelling "No *#@!ing way!" after seeing an audacious overtake where no one ever does it, that's what makes them special. Similarly, unexpected overtakes for other reasons.
Away from that classic you were talking about, I should only need to say, Schumi, Mika, Zonta, Spa. _That_ was an all-time great, not because it was more dangerous necessarily, but because even Murray had never seen it! Nobody did that. So that is what makes the best overtakes to me.
Man how much MUCH better F1 cars were back then. And thats not just nostalgia talking. They look absolutely stunning, small, light, nimble, the liveries... and the noise.... THE FUCKING NOISE. I'm gonna cry in a corner again.
Suzuka 2005 is my favorite Kimi race, but talking about overtakes, Nelson over Senna at Hungary 86 is probably the best of all time, it’s rough, over the top, dramatic and Brazilian!
There I am!!!!! Yessir. Great video Tommo. What a race Suzuka 2005 was. Kimi's overtake is just amazing, my fav overtake of all time
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Fernando's racecraft is out of this world. What a shame the new generations have lost his talent on track during these past years. Hopefully this year we'll see his talent in the first grid positions again fighting with Max, Lewis, Charles... where Fernando really belongs
Can't believe I missed out on F1 races like Suzuka 2005! Thanks to Tommo for bringing the excitement of this historic race to life 🙌🏁
The best overtake is obviously any one involving both cars going down a straight and one using DRS. So exciting.
a drs overtake is better than no overtake mate
Phwoar
The best TH-cam videos there are mate, love the editing and all the content
Much appreciated Morgan 🙌
ur editing is always amazing, buuuut that 2000 -> 2005 bumb aaaaaah
To be honest, I enjoy watching two drivers battling an scrapping for positions, much more than just overtaking. It’s a showcase of racing skill and respect. Even better if the surroundings of the track make it look speedy. That’s why I loved Ocon and Alonso in Jeddah last year so much. That’s why I don’t fully understand people’s desire for more overtakes from circuits that underperform in that regard (eg. Monaco, Paul Ricard, Catalunya, etc.)
Didn’t john watson win at long beach from 22nd in 1983? Sorry for being pedantic
Mark Webber on Alonso at Eau Rouge
Watched it live. I got into f1 big time in 2005
wish you would've shown the clips though😶🌫but what great video like always!
Don't wanna get FOM blocked, sorry 😬
4:08 Just like in Bahrain this season where he could've waited to overtake Hamilton on the straight but did at turn 10 where nobody overtakes
True
Good video, cute dog 👍😊 good overtakes, well spotted, pity moving images are not free!
I would take the pass on Webber as my favourite .
I still hold Hungary 86 when piquet slid past senna as my favourite of all time .
Prime Kimi was an animal. Would’ve been champion in 2003 and 2005 with better machinery. Says a lot when you wipe the floor with Montoya of all people
Wommo with another banger
WWWWW
Haven't even watched but I know this will be a great video x
I hope your prediction came true.
@@TommoMcCluskey it did x
Suzuka ❤️
🔥🔥🔥
9:28 Wasn't Checo P19 at Sakhir 2020 after the chaos of the start , and the went on to win ?
I think the record for winning from the furthest back is John Watson at Long Beach for McLaren? He was like 21st
That's right. He had started 22nd
Tommo where did you get that T-shirt from? Proper fresh man
First! Thanks for all the content Tommo.
And thanks for watching Peter 🙌
You also forgot to mention that 130r had actually been changed to become less sharp
I love the Alonso on Schumacher overtake, probably a bit of nostalgia bcuz I remember it so well when i saw it first, and also because in the broadcast, Alonso makes Schumi look so slow, its just amazing. Also i just absolutely love Alonso.
That Renault was insane, back then. The front wing was a work of genius!
I have a feeling alonso's overtake on Hamilton this year (2023) at Bahrain has potential to be overtake of the year ngl!! Alonso just has it in him at all times!!
Stroll on Sainz in Saudi too 🔥
Another shout for the greatest overtake is Lewis on rosberg in Japan 2014. Equal cars and terrible conditions he did pretty much the same move as kimi here. Surprised how little this gets brought up.
One of the greats I can remember is 2014 Monza Ricciardo switchback overtake.
That's an aesthetic one for sure 👌
Kimi after the first SC: "Just leave me alone I know what to do".
Obviously Alonsos move on Schumacher was unbelievable but my favorite (maybe of all time) is his breathtaking move on Webber. Dont know too many moves that are done on the grass!
Why can’t you show video??
Just a random question, do you use the current colour pallette of your channel because of West Ham's colours? Ik they're not exactly the same but reminds me of the brown
Noope, just a nice shade of pink that I didn't really think too much about to be honest.
@@TommoMcCluskey nice to know :)
where is the talking points podcast?
As a Fisi fan from back in the day, this one still hurts 😂
I feel for you Alan 😬
Now those McLarens were gorgeous. 😍
Little mistake at 1:15
You wrote Christian Klein but he's called Klien
Also sry, as a fellow Austrian to Klien I had to point that out 😂
9:34 I’m gonna say the bravery of an overtake mainly because anyone can do a fairly simple overtake up the inside but an round the outside overtake needs allot of bravery but so would an inside overtake I think all so late breaking is a factor aswell because for example Strolls overtake in Jeddah round the outside was impressive and needed a lot of bravery cause of the circuit the corner and the situation and mainly required a lot of bravery and less to do with the breaks however Ricciardo overtake on Bottas when he was in the Red Bull and Bottas was in the Merc in either 2017 or 2018 also required bravery because of how tight but also Ricciardo’s late breaking was what made that a good overtake for me so overall for the overtake to be a good one I think it depends on a couple of things. The situation the track and the person making the overtake
Yeah I get that, it's the psychological component that makes those really stand out.
@@TommoMcCluskey yea true I guess it depends on the situation a lot weather an overtake is good or not and depends on the audience aswell what set they think
Quite frankly, I think Spa 2021 was really the best of all time.
Hakkiens overtake of Schumacher at Spa in 2001 on the kemmel straight
I see the name of the video and have to say there are still many more races that are mich better then suzuka 2005 it was a great one also kimi is my favourite driver but still many many better races
60's-70's 🏁
People sometimes forget about Kimi's Mclaren years, and just think of him as this guy with an odd sense of humor, and getting the vibes that he doesn't really care.
He was, back in the day, one of the hottest prospects. Remember, he was brought to Ferrari to replace Schumacher. And is still the last Ferrari drivers champion.
And the reputation that he doesn't really care, well, the 2005 US Grand Prix, he was absolutely furious and he really wanted to race. There was more to him than meets the eye.
Still, none of those, as great as they are, beat the Hakkinen overtake on Schumacher. That image is burned into my brain.
Prime Kimi... man he was special
Word, Kimi absolutely loves racing and wouldn't have spent 20 years in F1 if he didn't. He just hates the corporate PR side of it and is honest enough to say it out loud, which some people mistake for him not having been motivated.
@@DarthJF I absolutely respect him for making fun and basically mocking the whole PR side of things. Like eliminating himself from a quiz on purpose, I think he knows there is some PR that he has to do, but what they wanted was too much, so he didn't care.
Technically it was still a BAR as Honda officially entered full works team in 2006
Probably the greatest win of the 21st century
This one, or may be Button's win in 2011 Canada.
It's up there for sure.
Hamilton Silverstone 2008 and Alonso Malaysia 2012 has a shot
@@alexlacl8730 Yep, those are some great wins too, but considering from where they had to win, Raikkonen from P17 and Button pitting like 5 times with penalty, just such strong comebacks.
Never seen that dog look happy
F1 2003 Brazil best race i've ever watched
I remember seeing a pole for this on yt
Man, as a Ferrari fan, I still wish Kimi won his title with McLaren.
Your top 3 is right : #3 is daring #2 impressive #1 epic.
The best race of all time
Wait Jenson Button? The NASCAR driver? Cool!
That is the era where I hate Fernando the most, because he is not the fastest Kimi was, but reliability did not do the justice
Didn't Kimi put a really good one on Schumacher aswell?
5:36 is Tommo secretly a Security Service agent?? 🤔 Mr Klien has been given a new identity to by Tommo. 😀
You've lost me. 😅
@@TommoMcCluskey Minute 5:36 who is this guy, place 9? I know Austrian Christian Klien, nowadays F1 expert Austria, but Christian Klein I don’t know 😃
7:21 You also forgot that Senna definately understeered in 1990
For me it doesnt get better than alonso on schumacher
ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY
Imagine what Kimi could have been if his motivation was as high as his talent was...
This is Kimi Raikkonen at his absolute best! He was the fastest driver in the world in 2005 and this race definitely proved it! What an overtake to lead the one lap that matters! The last lap!
If it ain't the best race it certainly had the best performance by any driver ever. Kimi in 2005 is arguably the fastest driver of all time
hi tommo!
Doesn't Kimi also holds the record of highest number of overtakes in 1 lap?
GIMI :DDD
2011 Canada will always be the best
Kimis 2005 is the most insane speed trust me you dont know what special until realized that drs wasn't a thing
even that fast
Kimi.
2005 was Prime Kimi! But the car was not reliable enough that year.
Don't show me this. I'll cream.
From a technical perspective an ideal overtake is very unremarkable, you simply drive past them on a straight with no loss of time or excessive wear on the car but for me I likes 'em fast and I likes 'em sketchy, put the car somewhere it's not supposed to be and somehow get through without contact
Its not my favourite but it makes made me finally respect Lewis's racecraft, 2021 Lewis vs Max Sao Paulo, overtake for the lead , Lewis set Max up in turn 1 with a fake to the inside and i think its turn 4 he pulls off the move. He put him in a compromised line, and honestly setting a grown man like that, is some disrespectful sh*t. If Alonso did that i would have wrote a poem, so hats off
doesnt john watson have then lowest start to then win?
IIRC Alonso passed Schumacher at like 206 mph
Perez went from P20 to P1, but that was at the end of Lap 1, so ai guess it doesn’t count.
Last v10 race
What makes a great overtake? Ignoring team orders. #multi21
Isn’t this the race that people call Kimi’s best race ever?
10 mins of the greatest overtakes without showing a single overtake. FFS
How can you possible say these are some of the greatest overtakes of all time? I feel like that is such a subjective question in general. Especially how different each generation of car is. How is Lewis double overtake better or worse then either one of these? It's just an impossibled question and answer.
Not really the record mate. Barrichello won Hockenheim 2000 from 18th on the grid
John Watson won at Long Beach in 1983 from 22nd on the grid
Uhh tommo. Kimi doesnt have the record. Watson does
No videos??? Seriously....what's the point??