Battlespace 'The Dominion War' The Battle of Benzar
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- As The Dominion Continue their Kalandra Offensive; more and more Federation Homeworlds face the prospect of Dominion invasion; including the recently joined planet of Benzar, Homeworld of the Benzite species.
If Benzar is to be saved, then the Federation cannot fight alone. Her salvation now rests in the hands of Starfleets Romulan Allies.
But can Tomalok and the Romulans be trusted?
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I love his character
I love the renewed "relationship" between Picard and Tomalak. I really wish Tomalak had become more of a permanent villan of TNG like Gul Dukat was for DS9.
definitely
Yes I agree a wasted opportunity a great character 👍
I would have preferred that tomalok made an appearance in Picard. Would have been a terrific addition.
@@steveh1289sadly the actor passed years ago
Or a friendly rival like Shran
11:40 "Listen, I could have rick-rolled you, but I chose to use the classical music to spare you."
Whew! That antimatter refinery was something serious. Picard and Tomalok sparing verbally. Loved it.
Halfway way through and the introduction of Picard in charge of the Enterprise E is enough for a thumbs 👍 up.
The VA doing Picard does an amazing impression.
Yes Mr Steele has a remarkable talent for impressions
contains the spirit of the character more than today's picard
Thank you! I'll try to refine it more as needed in the future.
@@HarperStl maybe you should dub sir Patrick 😉
_"If we open a quarrel between past and present, we shall find that we have lost the future." - Winston Churchill_
The thing about any war is that the members involved may have complex pasts with each other. This is deeply true for the Dominion War. Though the actions here both by the blood of war and the words of diplomacy lead on to the potential of brighter tomorrows. Cool to see the Picard - Tomalak interactions as well as ground battle formations. Curious to see more of Sayaran.
Yeah If I had to say what the theme was this episode. I'd say trust. And yes we certainly haven't seen the last of that slippery vorta.
Your quote comes from a war criminal from 2 separate world wars
I've always wondered about the exploits of the Enterprise E during the war. Thanks for this.
The Star Trek illustrated novel THE GORN CRISIS adds a little bit to the E story in the DW
You'll likely to see more of the ENTERPRISE in the Liberation of Betazed....
I remember in a book the enterprise was sent on a mission behind enemy lines. To destroy an enemy target. The dominion were attempting to create an artificial wormhole. A supply or reinforcement line . Betazed in another. And she was present at earth during the breen assault on earth .
@@shanenolan8252 Who else would Luwaxanna Troi have come liberate her and Betazed other than Jean-Luc Picard?
@@jameskennedy8030 lol . Trying to think of an appropriate speech. ( for Picard) to the vorta . ( helen of toy , the face that launched a thousand ships ) perhaps ?
If the Dominion hadn't previously overplayed their hand with the presence of the Federation's plot armor erasing an entire Dominion fleet out of existence, their attempt to destroy a Federation home world has just marked the beginning of the end of the Cardassian's membership with the Dominion.
Yeah not to mention Damars intimate relationship with kanar.
@@venomgeekmedia9886
Which Casey in real life hated and was happy when he didn't have to drink it anymore
😂👍
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Wouldn't be first time, Damar and Kanar has changed the fate of the alpha quadrant.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Wouldn't be first time, Damar and Kanar has changed the fate of the alpha quadrant.
@@alanmike6883 What was actually in the glass when he'd have to drink it?
I don’t know where you come up with this shit Venom but DAMMMMNNNN ITS GOOD. I mean like DAMMMMMN ITS GOOD. And wow bro... wow... I knew they’d blow up that facility!
The back and forth between Picard and Tomalak at the beginning - A+
Keep up the great work!
not gonna lie, im not surprised the Dominion blew up that antimatter refinery. Astounding production Venom! loved this one
I'm about to say is from The Babylon 5 movie a call to Arms, " Romans had a name for it they called it poisoning the well when they were driven from an area they literally poisoned water wells so that no one else could live there either the ultimate expression of spite." I think that best expresses you wrote for this episode Venom geek I enjoyed it even though the end s my heart looking forward to your next one
Glad you enjoyed an excellent quote.
...I now want to see you in a fan video/film as Tomalak.
Can't say I'd look the part. But I'd be game.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Well, look at the three or four guys that've done Kirk in the more notable fan productions? They didn't exactly look like Shatner clones. It's not that hard. 99% of it is attitude, and you have that. The rest is pointy ears and eyebrows. You've got the attitude.
Also, as always, fantastic work.
The dominion moved too quickly and too aggressively, everything was rolled back on them shortly after gaining it. The Kalandra offensive is very much like the battle of the bulge, the last great dominion counterattack which expended their remaining strength. They will be briefly rejuvenated later on, but even that is not enough at this point. In my opinion, the Dominion had entered a terminal decline in the quadrant, like the Byzantine empire after then end of the Komnenos dynasty, they would never again achieve the great power they once held. Like the Byzantines as well, the dominion has gone way past the point of negotiating for its continued existence in the quadrant and its enemies will settle for nothing less than the end of the hated enemy.
Interesting comparison. It's worth acknowledging that the dominion really needed a diplomatic breakthrough to survive in that lull after operation return. Once the federation resolved to continue they knew that they were living on borrowed time.
Wow, a learned man. Was the Kalandra Offensive the Dominion's Myriokephalon Campaign?
Well done Jim
For me its more like Fall Blau
I most say the Dominion did very good when the only ones helping them was Cards 50 years behind everybody else in tech. The Dominion forces at hand in the quadrant had to fight space hippies, cosmic Vikings and Beta quadrant Romans with one arm tied behind their back and cut off from home. When it comes to the Byzantine Empire when any country is on top no matter how nice and how much they help the rest of the world all other counties want to bring them down. The US is liven proof of that. In short when you are on top everybody else will label you a villain. Like the Byzantines the US is getting replaced with something far worse.
The Offenbach bit was a little weird but everything else was ABSOLUTELY AWESOME!
The Klingon and Federation cooperating attacks were incredible and did I see some lost era Stormbirds escorting the black legion's warbirds? :0
THE DOMINION DID HAVE FIGHTERS!!! :O
This episode has a little bit of everything!
Also hot damn the fleets are getting BIG. Like REALLY BIG. Multiple massed attacks, 200+ ships per engagement for a lot of these. Long story short, epic.
I'll save my more analytical thoughts for after soaking up this awesome episode a few more times.
Yeah the raven class stormbird.
When we say fighter it's 55m long. Pretty big.
The Offenbach bit reminded me a lot of that scene from star trek beyond with the drones where heavy metal music was used to disrupt their communications and cause their destruction. Wonder if that was the inspiration for that bit came from.
@@wedgeantillies66 maybe a little...
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Though so
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Oh right you said gunships-
And anywhere where I can find info on the Raven class? Two searches have gotten me nothing so far.
Excellent production! Detailed, compelling, and highly entertaining! No one expects the prefix command codes!
Excellent writing, particularly the dialogue at the end.
I loved Tomalak's skulduggery
Outstanding! I especially enjoyed the conversations between Picard and Tamalok.
Sweet. Really good to learn more about what happened at Benzar. What's next in the Dominion War? Liberation of Betazed? First Battle of Chin'toka? Ricktor Prime? Sybaron?
Probably a special on ground battles. then Betazed.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 (begins listening to Liberation of Gracemeria in anticipation)
If I recall betazed isn't liberated till after the breen enter the war.
@@garyporter2862 according to fires of armageddon yeah. So maybe the breen attack on earth.
maybe a video about Starfleet ground forces, it stands to reason there would be such a thing, the troops at AR558 for example, an evolution of the old Starfleet marine corps from TMP era
The thought of the Dominion fleet blasting can-can music across Starfleet's comms as they close to battle is hilarious! The Ride of the Valkyries seems very appropriate for the Jem'Hadar!
Perhaps for jem'hadar but it was the vortas choice.
I have been looking forward to this cheers. I am going to save it this tonight. ( to fully appreciate)
A better Picard, if only in voice, than Star Trek Picard.
11:50... that is the most absolutely fucked up bit of PSYOPS imaginable.
Well played.
Heh. I think they just meant to occupy the frequencies, but people forget computers in Trek world could probably counteract that if they were using radio and someone noticed.
I thought it was some irony there though, cause some years ago I had a roleplaying character that had been at the liberation of Benzar. (It went down rather differently in whatever sources and embellishments I was using, and if I recall, there Benzar was occupied rather longer, and it was a bit more like retaking the Philippines after most of the Japanese Navy was out, also the Benzites had more to do with it, cause they seem like peeps that plan everything before they drop the hammer, which is a fairly good way to be if occupied. ) ...and that character's attack plane squadron had a history of razzing the Breen in particular with 'Ballroom Blitz' by Sweet as a sort of calling card.
So, Venom's story seemed to interestingly hit on familiar beats to what I'd largely imagined.
Great video, what a cool final scene! Tomalak and Picard meeting as colleagues, sadly we never saw it on television, but great that Venom Geek was able to give it to us!
Great voice acting
One criticism, which I think is justified, leveled at STAR TREK ONLINE is that they bring in established and beloved Trek characters at every turn, unrealistically so, straining immersion in the story. I was thinking of that when you had the summit between Picard, Tomolok, the Klingon general, and Admiral Fulton. Fulton and the Klingon are your characters right? As is the lucky Vorta? I applaud your appeal to realism via balance
Their use of the beloved characters is needed to prop up all the STD content that they have to puch on us.
@@nunya3163 STO is pushing STD? I don't play STO so this is an honest question
Another masterpiece my friend. Great Job as usual
Really looking forward to this video, can't wait to finish work tomorrow night and enjoy
Exelent job to all involved. (Great use of the Can Can, BTW. LOL)
A great deal of any experience whether it be ice cream eaten a person met or a story heard all depend upon a willingness to enjoy. Otherwise all of the above will be found wanting in some fashion or another. Rarely do we approach life situations with an agnostic frame of mind.
If so, it is with Herculean effort to achieve and nearly impossible to maintain, such is the human condition.
That said, I thirst for Gene Roddenberry Trek so much, so I question whether I’m listening to Brother Venom with Rose equalized earphones. That said, bravo brother Venom, well written by any measure and a wash with content to slacking this Trekkie thirst! Author! Author! Encore!
Well said. Your too kind.
Flooding the group chat with the can-can, masterful.
Great work as always Salute!
This is your best work yet.
The more I think about it, the more it beggars my imagination how even Picard could convince the Klingons to take orders from a Romulan Navarch!
I mean, I don't doubt Picard can do it. Diplomacy is his thing, after all. I'm just trying to imagine myself as the writer for this theoretical episode of TV and I don't even know what kind of arguments Picard could use to get through to them. 😬
It's worth bearing in mind that the klingons had fought the federation more recently than the romulans. The romulans had actually kept their hands pretty clean the past few years.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 True, but the Klingons have learned to respect the Federation over the years. The Romulans, on the other hand, have ALWAYS been the "honorless, untrustworthy cowards" to the Klingons for the last several generations.
Picard and Tomelok, quite a pair of commanders.
This is great!!! I'm really enjoying this.
Great video really appreciate all your hard work keep it up
I miss good star trek so much
Don't you really mean, REAL Trek?
This was well worth the wait.
Glad you think so.
I didn't realize you two could create trailers for videos! That was cool.
Tomalok was the greatest villain and the antithesis of Picard. What few realize is this was the actor that became Jkar on Babylon 5.
Awesome video of the Liberation of Benzar, NOW on to Betazed.....
That was a really amazing video I enjoyed it very much that's a very good Picard voice
Another excellent video good sir
Great show verry well done
Another great one!
Bravo Bravo Bravo best ep yet
The Dominion first blow as force to scorch Earth this allows the Alliance the use without retaliation later that got one of there Shipyards bonus as saving when count and knock out half there ship building
As always fantastic 👏
To say the least, that was great!
nice work
This video was EXCELLENT
I didn't realize there was an "east" in space. ☺️. Just teasing. Great video.
Goood, well done
Picard " certainty Times change, but the past remains unchanged "
Q " oh Mon Capitaine, don't be so sure "
I loved this.
Though it is amusing to watch this having read the books that take place not long after Nemesis as Tomalak becomes the right hand man of the new leader of Romulus once Shinzon is taken care of. It speaks of how in the same way that Picard is as skilled at War as Sisko so Tomalak is as slimy and pragmatic as Dukat. We like to think they are different because both Picard and Tomalak are so affable and charming but even in season one of TNG we see Picard as quite the military officer using the Enterprise to show the flag against the Romulans while Tomalak slimed at Galorndon Core. So here they break bread and call each other allies when in a few short years Riker will have to face down an angry Tomalak.
Genuinely great to see this battle and hear the writing and acting.
im addicted to these
Not trying to tell you what to do but I would just like to make some recommendations for future battles that you might consider:
1-Federation/Klingon War (23rd Century)
2-Federation/Klingon War (24th Century)
3-The Khitomer Massacre
4-The Klingon Civil War
so i have somewhat covered the potential Federation Klingon war in the late 23rd century the video is here: th-cam.com/video/UkUOfSNwkdY/w-d-xo.html
Cheers
Interesting take, though a lot of it, especially the ground actions, seemed to omit the fact Benzar clearly has a rather different atmosphere. (And most of the people apparently live in 'Geostructures,' whatever those are. )
(Also people forget a thing about antimatter, namely that it's not like a nuclear chain reaction or a bigger bomb if you have a lot in the same place. Especially in space, without deliberate containment, antimatter might make a very catastrophic boom as far as your starship is concerned, but every single little matter antimatter particle explosion pushes all the reactants *further apart.* So you probably don't get planet-cracking as depicted even in atmosphere, more likely you get a firestorm and probably most of the pressure sending more reactants *up,* than down or sideways. Cause there's fewer reactants and thus less resistance the higher you go. Everything going to the sides pushes energy in all directions, including in and up, blow away the matter to react with, which way does the energy, thus most of the antimatter go. )
The map of benzar is based on a beta Canon map. And yes other species would presumably need life support equipment.
I don't believe Picard had celebrated this bloody victory. I don't think even Tomalak had. They're soldiers, not bloodthirsty warriors, even though they both know the cost of war.
But it is to assume, that they could have shared a traditional glass of wine for diplomatic purposes and to strengthen the Alliance.
That vorta is one complete madman. But the Federation ain't going to take that sitting down with Benzar being taken by the Dominion. So the Federation with the help of the Klingons and Romulans will take it back.
My eyes got a bit wet at the end, must have been some space debris... I always wondered how the interaction/coordination between the Allies went in practice. This felt like one of the very best DS9 multiepisodes because of the combination of war tactics/strategies and the personal component of Picard/Tomalak/Sayaran/Cardassian sentiments and realizations. With such great storytelling and true understanding of the Romulan soul, you should write a book (or a dozen).
Your too kind. I'm glad you enjoyed.
As soon as I heard Anti matter facility I knew.
A classic Hitchcock time-bomb.
Personally, I'd say the Founder gave the order. After all, they are Only Solids
@@venomgeekmedia9886 no, if we are going down we're taking you with us!
@@weldonwin quite possibly...
Kind of silly that Radio was their only plan for back up communications. If the ships are all in orbit and line of sight they could have just used laser communication which is possible with today’s technology. Their plans to disrupt communication would have been a cool tactic for long range comms but making it a tactic for short range when the battle is in one place with no light delay was a bit silly.
That Vorta was really showing his lack of respect for the Klingons and their technology, by not establishing the anti-cloaking perimeter.
what a madman that vorta is
Absolute madlad
I've been going back and rewatching these. I meant to ask when this came out but never did. The group Paris has, is it the same he used back at Torros? I know it makes little difference and a lot has happened between then to now. I just like the idea that because of how well the fleet worked together, and Martok being a bro it'd stay together for the rest of the war. Plus anything that they're willing to risk a Sovereign for you're gonna want some Klingons watching your back. And there's bound to be a song or two sung about the battles.
And of course they would jam communication with Earth music that just so happened to be in their database prior to the engagement. Such a jamming technique can be filtered-out by playing an inverted version of the music (aka: "anti noise"). Of course, with Starfleet being run by idiots, it's no surprise they don't have this technology. What's an even bigger surprise is that the radio signals travelled at the same speed as subspace signals, rather than the much slower, speed of light. Should I be surprised that the Dominion had the radio technology available to them?
This was another brilliantly awesome, compellingly magnificent and marvellously comprehensive new addition to the dominion war battle series. The dominion seem to be losing their ability to see the big picture and plan ahead and are sorely lacking in an overall strategic co-ordinator or diplomatic advisor going forward. As while bold new offensives may seem good on paper, Dominion should be hoarding their resources in south and using them to either pinch off the pocket or hold Betazed, rather than over extending themselves and giving allies chance to take advantage of to strike back. Allowing Allied forces to build up momentum to eventually reverse alot of the dominions gains in the galactic south.
Dominion if they had any sense should be trying to get back to the negotiating table and use its territorial gains to achievbe a peace in which all captured cardassian territory is return and maybe gain some territorial concessions in the dmz for returning Betazed and other captured planets in the south.
True but after the 1st set of negotiations the federation had learned to distrust the dominions diplomatic overtures.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Indeed and take it you mean negotiations showed in statistical probabilities. Which they definately enter into in bad faith to gain time to rebuild and rearm. So totally agree with you, although peace negotiations would have been a smart move at this time. Federation alliance would never as you say agree to them.
Truly
Benzar & Romatis-3 became a Mariupol-lite incl. AZOW-Stahl
A Vorta with a beard? Are you kidding? This is a violation of cannon.
If the Prophets had not aided Sisko, the Dominion War would have been very different.
Wonderful work sir. If only the dominion had employed a chorus of can can dancers. ( Paris style) anyone wondering think a Scotsman and his kilt
I can only imagine it. Lol
Jem Hadar always go out like champs!
Captains log USS Normandy Adm Caughey in command. It’s funny that despite all my experiences that the more senior of admirals refuse to listen to me. I warned that Idiot Paris that the dominion would find some way to take Benzar from us. They just don’t listen, we tried during that fight to do what we usually do but we just couldn’t inflict enough pain. It didn’t help that Endeavor was pulled back again leaving just the 6 Normandy class ships to fight solo. That and considering that the Normandy class has been replaced officially by the new invincible class DD I can understand why Paris thought we were pointless. We harassed the Dominion as much as we could but withdrew when ordered to. As we don’t carry major infantry units we don’t participate in planetary assaults very often but we act more like scouts and skirmishers. Though in an assault a Normandy can bring a lot of close air support. It was good to take the offensive again but downright scary when those monsters set off that antimatter plant. I have to praise Thomas Riker for flying us into position to unload that torpedo. I’m officially recommending him for the federation distinguished flying chevron and the medal of valor with a promotion to commander. Most of my bridge crew is officially recommended for the medal of valor as well. I’m in line to receive my 3rd Starfleet Medal of Honor for this one. ( at this point I’m running out of space for the fruit salad). The offensive has slowed but we’re still scouting ahead for the fleets. I’m not much for Romulan formalities but they’re nice enough to respect my military skills, medals and rank. Best to leave diplomacy to those good at it. Now the Klingons? I definitely respect them more, they’re always asking about my injuries and respecting what I went through to return to duty. I definitely prefer bloodwine to Romulan ale, like the Klingons there is nothing hiding. Just wait till they get a taste of my home brew white lightning. Once again there’s hope we’re going to win this thing, Adm Caughey out
Can anyone point out the Prometheus class, can’t find it, it was hinted at during the arms race video
If I could I would like to make a small request for future dominion war episodes is that you add in other species cause I find it hard to believe that only the federation, Klingon and later Romulan's fought the Dominion, there had to be at lest one smaller race that made small contributions to ether side.
What species did you have in mind?
Well it's up to you
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I'm thinking of the kriosian's. Some what like what happened to the reman's.
nice
Let's lock n' load
"Saddle up, And Lock and Load..."
Fox 2, fox 2!
The absolute minimum you could have done to make it good, was to hire Patrick Stewart and revive Katsulas for these few sentences at the beginning. I mean you are a famous rich youtuber and we want entertainment! ;)
Good work
I would have really loved to have seen Picard and Tamolak meet as Allies on screen
What I liked about the USS Voyager was that she could punch above her wait when she was lost in the Delta quadrant
One minor correction and man am I an need for knowing this but Picard was briefly on a Romulan D'deridex warbird [The Haakona] on the episode Contagion S2E11 when he steps through the Iconian portal and end up on their ship.
And in timescape but in no official capacity.
@Venom Geek Media 98 I forgot about that one... Hey, just want to say, I love these videos, awesome job, well done.
In your opinion, were any Dominion battleships destroyed during the war? We never see it on screen, and all those battleships shown guarding cardassia prime were saved when the founder surrendered...
so there are probably about 7 battleships active at this point. so far none have been lost. but only 3 need to make it to cardassia.
I think some of the large dominion battleships seen at cardassia were battle monitor type ships that were not fully built but used as stationary weapons platforms.
I’m curious: why did you place Benzar (and Bolarus/Bolia) in the “south” of the federation whereas most maps I’ve seen place them in the “north”/“northeast”
Why did you change the Marker of the First fleet from a red Marker to a Yellow one?
So, hang on, you're telling me that Federation comms got blocked by the Can Can?
Oh there’s a new tier.... I forgot. Damn it Venom, I will not be demoted! Now shut up and take my money!! 🤣
P.S. Again, when I see the D’Deridex with its 75 floors of windows or whatever, I gotta wonder,
Wounder what? Is it secretly a flying hotel even better than a galaxy class...
Where do you get these stories from? Star Trek novels?
A giant planetary anti matter factory......that has to be the most bone headed idea mankind has ever come up with.
I mean it's gotta go somewhere.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 In orbit, well out the way of civilian centers. Anti matter is super dangerous given it's used as a primary fuel source in this universe so they must be manufacturing it in massive quantities. To give it some context, 1Kg of that stuff is about the equivalent of the Tzar bomb.
I like the idea of a Vorta that the other Vorta likely find off.
Why didn't Captain Picard get promoted to admiral after the Dominion war? Anybody have any idea?
Kirk's advice. “Don't let them promote you, don't let them transfer you, don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there, you can make a difference.”
The dominion should have rolled everything back as soon as the founders disappeared the Dominion fleet and effectively locked the dominion out of the alpha quadrant...
They could have just occupied Cardassia, and played the long Coldwar game.
They tried. There were negotiations after operation return but they fell through. Had they not they would probably have been able to rebuild.
One can't help but admit the Infernal Gallop over a starship battle is pretty funny.
But I have to ask, how long does a Vorta live for? does it die from old age and is then cloned? If so then does that count as a death for them or is it considered out of bounds?
Dying be that from old age or being killed counts. In terms of lifespan that's an interesting question maybe shorter than a human. Say 70-80
@@venomgeekmedia9886 interesting
Isolithic charge... Isn't that a subspace weapon? Banned under the -Geneva protocol- Khitomer accords?
Technically. But who's gonna know...
@@venomgeekmedia9886 The dominion going to commit tactical war crime: (Insert slander meme walking here.)
The Dominion never signed the Khitomer Accords and besides, once a war, a REAL total war kicks off, all weapons treaties go straight out the window
Awesome but I'm not sure you would process antimatter on a world's surface, Quark said so.
Im just wondering why they dont just transport the enemy into space once the transport blocker are down.
They would probably have personal inhibitors. Or jamming devices so you can't be seen from orbit.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 oh I never thought of that.