Cross-Gen PS4 Games Might Be Around Longer Than Usual
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ค. 2024
- 2023 is coming up quick! And with so many game events over like TGS and Summer Game Fest, we now have a clearer view of what games are coming out next year. And there's still a good amount of AAA games headed to PS4 next to PS5. What gives? When will cross-gen be over and why is it seemingly different this time around compared to other generations? All valid questions, and we try to tackle them here. Don't expect me to tackle anything else though, quite frankly I'm getting tired.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
0:38 - Cross Generation Is Different This Time
2:49 - Sony Doesn't Normally Support Cross Gen
5:14 - PS5 Versions Already Sell Very Well
8:31 - Why PS4 Versions Are Still Getting Made
10:47 - When Will Cross Gen End Then?
#PS5 #PS4 #PlayStation - เกม
Too many PS4 owners (including myself) have lost interest in getting a PS5, the lack of availability and high prices have put many people off, I will likely now wait for a slim/smaller model and cheaper prices with console and games - after being so exited for PS5, I've almost forgot it even exists as you never see it!!
Edit: I live in the UK which is totally different to the US (where they may be more available!)
Edit: I now see ps5's everywhere I go , but I'm happy to wait for new model - I've actually bought a PS2 instead, and the full content, fully complete games with no patches to download are a breath of fresh air compared to modern gaming!!
Edit/edit - I must admit that I have lost interest in modern gaming and may not even bother with this generation at all!
All you have to do is register to get one with PlayStation and your paying 500 flat.I just got mine last week also they said they were uping prices not lowering them.The slim model will definitely be nice tho cause this boys chunky as a mf and takes up a lot of space.
That's what I thought, the current PS5 is too fat.
agreed I'm happy with my PS4
When they stop making last gen games & focus 100% on next gen.. I guarentee you’ll notice then. lmao.
Sony has to force developers to stop making PS4 games by imposing restrictions on the PS5 SDK, but really if the games are going to be forward compatible anyway, then what's the rush with retiring the PS4? The graphical differences are minor, the performance is better, but the PS5 ought to be used for more demanding games. From the period between the PS3 to the PS4 was the biggest jump advancement wise, discs are larger for more content, but developers are resorting to bad habits: why does every game have to be 100GB? Why don't they optimize their games more? We have better compression these days which means older hardware can benefit from reduced texture/video/audio sizes. All the games seem to be getting shorter, yeah a bunch of them are developed to be seen on 4k TVs, but I feel like space is being wasted on things we only look at for a few seconds out of the total playtime. Skyrim fit on one dvd over ten years ago, it had hundreds of hours worth content, and installed on a drive it was around 18GB, so I have to ask-why are we wasting 100GB or more for games that we can play fully in one afternoon? The wheel keeps getting reinvented for no good reason, and I'm sure there will be apologists here saying its good for a rock to have an 8k or 16k texture, wasting 100MB or more in storage, in one game, this or next generation.
The whole “we believe in generations” thing didn’t age well.
Will that and "Why would anybody play this?"(in reference to his opinion of old games) be his legacy?
It's more like" yeah we kind of believe in generations but we still want money."
@@mota2028 Pretty much
Yeah they don't
There isnt really any new game that goes beyond ps4s capabilities. If you just tone it down you can have any new game available for ps4. What new game has such good graphics and physics that ps4 cant handle?
I think how long games are in production these days has a big part in this too. There's a lot of games that started production in the PS4 era and still haven't come out.
Give an example
@@unicorntomboy9736 dead island 2 LOL jk
@@unicorntomboy9736 gta 6
@@unicorntomboy9736 stf
@@kiwisen I don't know what that is
So far Demon's Souls Remake and Horizon Forbidden West have been showing off what the PS5 is capable of, we need way more games with graphical fidelity like that. On most games the leap between PS4 and PS5 isn't big enough currently, usually it's mostly a performance advantage
horizon is still a ps4 game thats definitely held back by ps4 hardware
Maybe because they were games developed for PS4 and the port has been made for ps5
@@blur8163 yeah true but they still did a grear job on the PS5 version with all the recent patches.
To me Demon‘s Souls Remake is the best looking game on the system though. Wish there were more games like this that are just damn impressive to look at
I may get flack, but I felt Cyberpunk 2077 probably shouldn't have targetted last gen for added dev difficulty - so much time and resources yet the end result still isn't great on last gen.
Returnal, and Ratchet and clank graphics are true next gen
I am excited to see what devs start doing utilizing the hardware capabilities. It has felt like I was just playing upscaled ports of PS4 games mostly.
Exactly!!! I can’t wait until PS4 dies out
@@JoeyBK_86 That's quite shellfish tbh
@@-difr03 why make a new console if devs are not gonna optimize the game for the new console?
@@-difr03 dude it's been years. We all can't wait until we can get this massive weight off the back of the entire gaming community. The hardware in the "next gen" consoles is already below most recommended specs, by pc standards. Imagine what gaming can be when we actually get to stop developing for hardware from 2012.
The rtx 4090 is being revealed in around 90 mins. This will be around 5x stronger than any console out there.
No. The selfish ones are those pushing for continued ps4 development
Ps5 can bearly handle 4k lol
Unpopular opinion, but Im glad that there is still ps4 games being made. Last two years have been extremely hard for me financially, that I would not be able to get a ps5 if it slapped me in the face. I also understand the ps4 is holding the ps5 back in certain games, and if I had one I am sure I would feel the same way as a lot of other people.
If the games are PS5 only you'll still be able to play them in the future once you get a PS5, they don't go anywhere. So it's still best to make the games PS5 only
@@billygunn6185 Who cares that people on the PS4 can play PS5 games?
@@SYMShutYoMouth people who don’t want there new games being hindered to mostly work on old hardware and limiting what they can do on next gen.
@@Doctor_Feel_Good There will come a point where the old hardware won't be able to handle it.
For example Bungie's Destiny launched on PS3/X360 and PS4/X1, the final expansion for that game left the older generation hardware behind, the main hold back in that case was the disparity of RAM available:
The PS3/360 had 256+256MB(CPU and GPU)/512MB(Unified) respectively while the PS4 and X1 had 8GB Unified.
This however, is a bigger difference than the PS4/X1 to PS5/XSX, which essentially have double the RAM of the previous base consoles did.
Right now the PS4/X1 are akin to the bare minimum PC requirement while the PS5/XSX are the preferred/recommended specs.
PS4 needs to end man....Sony needs to pull the plug
The biggest change this gen was that architecture remained relatively similar. This brought consoles more in line with PC’s, where games are made to be scalable. The reason we didn’t get cross gen titles for PS2 and PS3, or PS3 and PS4, is that the architecture differed so drastically they needed completely separate versions of games for each system, and why we also didn’t really see any backwards compatibility either. If we had back compat, I’m sure we would have seen plenty of croas gen in previous transition years as well. The closest we got was Sony bringing Last of Us over to the PS4, which was not as easy as it would be today when, say, bringing the Last of Us Part 2 over to PS5 with enhanced features like we saw this gen. Had it not been for this particular aspect I don’t think we would have seen much cross gen.
We've been had cross gen, people are just entitled babies now.
Sonic the Hedgehog, Genesis and Game Gear/Master System.
Donald Duck: Going Quackers-PS2, PS1, Dreamcast, GameCube and N64.
Crash of the Titans-Xbox 360, PS2, Nintendo Wii.
Sonic Unleashed-PS3 and Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii and PS2.
While some of the games here were separate versions, they were versions that also took effort to do. People today complain that the new games are being "held back." How do we know the next gen versions of those games weren't "held back" since they needed unique versions for previous consoles, surely taking resources away from the newer games? And we had plenty of PS3/PS4 cross gen games as well including Wolfenstein The New Order and Metal Gear Solid 5.
Not entirely true, they could emulate like XBOX does. It recognizes the disc and then emulates the data. There's no need for a new disc drive. They just want us to pay for a crappy tier service to get some older games.
@@dailydose084 you can buy the older games separately, save for PS3 titles
@@ThomastheDankEngine8900 the point is not to repurchase though. I own the physical copies. Why would I want a digital cloud version that I'm basically just buying the license to? I can pop in my original version of KOTOR on my Series X and start playing.
This is false on every level. The PS1 had support until 2005.
The PS2 was getting ports from 360 games because it remained popular until 2013. You had 2010 games still coming out on PS2. However, most of them were drastically different to work on the PS1 and PS2 when they were a generation behind.
If anything, the PS4 is kind of a return to Sony's console support in the past.
I really believe this generation is gonna have a 10 year lifespan. First, the obvious scarce of the consoles in the first years of the gen, and second, I think the companies did a better job of including technologies not only for today, but also for the years to come.
For example, when the PS4 came out, I always thought it was a bit behind current technology. Although it was Full HD 1080p, many games ran only at 30 fps, when in those days it was already common for PCs to have very high refresh rates, and this is just to give an example.
8th gen barely felt like an improvement in my opinion. PS3 and Xbox 360 already had 1080p but barely any games utilized it, didn't feel as groundbreaking as going from 4:9 480p PS2 graphics to PS3/360.
@@e14ee Yes bro I think that same way! I had a discussion a while ago with someone that was arguing that it was a bigger gap from ps3 to ps4, than for ps2 to ps3. But you describe it really good. For example, I played all the PS2 Call of duty, and the first time i got the see Modern warfare, I was speechless. That really felt like a revolution in gaming. Not only from the vast difference in graphics, but also for the online system that was created for them.
Yes, PS5 and Xbox Series X are much more comparable to gaming PCs and more future-proof than PS4 or Xbox One were. Hence the need for PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. Just the fact that they needed to release mid-generation upgrades proves that. They needed to upgrade mainly for 4K output, because 4K TVs started becoming common in the mid 2010s.
This generation, we already have 4K and 120 Hz output. Why would we need an upgrade anytime soon? There is no incentive for 8K right now. And TVs aren't going over 120 Hz anytime soon. If anything, we just need more games with native 4K _and_ 120 Hz at the same time. Currently we tend to get upscaled 4K with high framerate, or native 4K with lower framerate. It's nice that we can choose, but it would be better if we didn't have to choose.
@@adrienveidt419 because you sit a mile away from your TV, lmao, consoles have an equivalent of 2060, you are stuck with 2018 tech until 2030 and you are happy ? lmao, I bet you buy microtransactions too
@@kirillholt2329 If this generation is going to last 10 years, they are going to release a Pro model in the middle of the cycle, so no need to worry about being stuck with tech from the previous decade until 2030.
I think the main thing is that the ps4 and ps5's architecture is so similar, that many games will work fine on the ps4, combined with the already massive playerbase makes it a no-brainier for publishers to sell the game on the older hardware
We have to remember the emotion engine to Cell processor was a jump
Then cell to ps4 was also very different architecture, that’s why back then having cross-gen games weren’t common
But now since both PS4 and PS5 are x86, it is much easier to even make a native ps5 game, then easily convert and do some edits and make a ps4 version
THAT’s why we have cross-gen games really
Along with shortage in ps5 hardware as well
Not really. It's not like they're writing the games in assembly.
I think we're at a period where devs are able to target current-gen hardware and be able to make reasonable adjustments (graphically, in the backend, or both) to get them working on last-gen consoles. Eventually this won't be the case and they'll only release their games on current-gen consoles.
I think it's not just a case of "are able to" but also "must" because there's a lot of PS4 (and xbox) consoles out in the wild and just not that many PS5s and Series X/S.
Scalpers sitting on storage are holding back this generation :(
The architecture changed drastically between PS2 and PS3 as well as between the PS3 and PS4, which is why we also didn’t get back compat. The architecture this gen is relatively similar, meaning games can scale like they do with PC releases, making it much easier to just scale down God of War Ragnarok for last gen or scale it up for current gen, whatever the case may be there. This is really the key factor in why we’re seeing so much cross gen. It just wasn’t possible last gen without making a separate PS4 version for a PS3 game instead of just scaling it.
@@scottpilgrim2 not exactly
scalpers can't hoard millions of consoles
scalpers problem only exist if the supply is very very low compared to the demand
the moment supply gets backs to normal, the scalper starts to sell it at retail or even below prices
look at the PC GPU situation
@@scottpilgrim2 I hate scalpers as much as anybody but honestly, they aren't really a problem for developers. It's not like they're sitting on millions of units and nobody is buying them, most PS5 units eventually land in gamer's hands, the difference being that some idiots caved and paid more for it.
If anything scalping might be good for sony's profitability because people who can afford scalper's prices might have more dispensible income overall and buy more games. And anybody who paid 700+ bucks for a PS5 has clearly shown that they are willing to spend a lot of money for gaming.
It sounds terrible but if distribution was more "fair" and in turn more kids had gotten a PS5 for christmas, then those aren't often the customers with the most purchasing power. So the average per-unit sales of Software (digital and physical) might actually be better if, because of scalpers, the average PS5-owner is more wealthy.
Sony really isn't making all that much (if any) money on the actual PS5 hardware, so scalpers steering their consoles into wealthier gamer's hands might be quite good for Sony.
I wonder if I'm dead wrong about this, or if, for sony at least, this is a blessing in disguise, which of course they could never talk about.
If they keep making PS4 games I’ll keep buying them. I’ll wait until a PS5 slim comes out or once an exclusive comes out I really want
Let’s be honest… the ps5 games are nothing to be excited about. I have the same feelings
@@Tokyomodeldetective Good for you.
Evan Edinger They're going to stop making old gen PS4 games sooner rather than later lol. You'll see in 2023...
They only continue making PS4 games because people keep buying PS4 games.
The sales differences can also reflect which buyers are more aggressive in their early buying of games, and people who purchase new consoles are likely much more invested into buying games earlier and more games in general.
We have no right to expect PS4 to go away until PS5 has been readily - _readily_ - available for some time. And I say that as a lucky and happy PS5 owner.
they aint rare anymore i see them in stores for normal price now
@@funnymansyutube you probably only seen it one or two times in store lol
@@jahanbaxter i see it in my stores almost everytime i walk in
@@funnymansyutube I see only pictures of them in stores. They don't even try to put a sign telling customers the projected availability. You can get one (at least they advertise it) by signing a contract for fiber or vdsl (three year lock in) for the home.
@@funnymansyutube Most people don’t live in places with a population of five.
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EDIT: My bad. I see the PS4 being here for quite a while even with the PS5 coming out with more games imo. I don't see the ps4 dying out or something like that. It depends how things play out over the next year per-say.
naa man games in development are geared for next-gen consoles
even if ps5 availability is scarce in 2-3 years they can't be able to port dem on old gen
PS5 is extremely accessible RIGHT NOW! If you don't have a PS5 & want one & can afford one. The only excuse is laziness. PS5 was available for over a week on the PS Store & when stock ran out. It's available at Amazon right now.😐☹️
@@kcapk1970 Post the link. I keep getting invite from Amazon but nothing for the PS5 yet.
@@kcapk1970 PS5 is not accessible guy, you can't walk into a local retailer and pick one up. I still have never seen one on the shelf with my own eyes.
I really do understand why people are surprised like the number of people who own a ps5 is not even half of the amount of ps4 owners so it would make no sense to leave most of your consumers behind.
The ps3 was still releasing games well into 2015 but ps4 was definitely taking dominance.
I think if covid had not happened at all we very more than likely wouldn't be having this conversation, considering ps5s in particular are going through manufacturing issues even still. Sony could gamble on ps5 for the long term but for short term sales the ps4 might be a better bet to hold on until production ramps up and the overall player base catches up and lets go of ps4 all together.
Ps2 had fifa 2014 and ps3 had madden 17
@@awesomehigames and nba2k18
@@awesomehigames those 2 are sports games though also I don't even think it's actually madden 17 probably madden 16 but with the 17 UI like they did before
@@awesomehigames sports games and big first party games are different
When they started using a more pc oriented architecture this was bound to happen. What I find interesting is that pc gamers expect games to keep working on older hardware for a while, 3080 owners for example don’t think their games are being “hold back” because better performance and resolution is all they’re expecting. Not the same with ps5 owners, where a lot expect some kind of exclusivity on their platforms.
Really loved this Cross-Gen comparison could keep going with the video for twice the length keep it up with the good content !
Pretty informative piece. Thank you for the work you put into it.
As a proud owner of a ps4 pro, I can confidently say that a) the ps5 has yet to release any exclusive games that would warrant me buying the whole console, and that b) I've had no issues running every single game I've cared to get on my machine. I know people love pursuing that photorealistic 4k 60 fps benchmark as though they could get a gaming pc at this price point, but honestly, ever since the days of the ps3 getting 1080p at 30 fps games have felt good enough for me. The only advantage that makes me think of eventually upgrading is shorter loading times.
The PS3 was near 720p upscaled. But it looks so good on 4k TV that I'm still amazed.
The pandemic and a massive console shortage are the biggest factors in this.
Different situation now thank god
I love your gaming setup in the background. Rocks.
My problem is the jump from ps4 to 5 feels like a small leap, compared to ps1 to 2 or 2 to 3. 3 to 4 wasn't as big but still somewhat noticeable with later ps4 games. (Like compare yakuza 0 on ps4 to kiwmai 2)
True, I remember the jump from PS1 to PS2 as a child and I was in complete awe. Same thing with 2-3. But for last gen-current it has been a slow progression. I wanna see what the technology is really capable of.
I think that’s simply because the games being released are upscale PS4 games right now. If you play Hitman 3 for example it feels just a bit shinier but pretty much the same as Hitman 2 on PS4. But Ratchet feels like a big step up from the previous version. At the moment we’re just getting PS4 games with better resolution and FPS so it’s not going to feel like a huge jump. But it will.
Snes to N64 was huge. Such a leap will never happen again.
@@currychips well yeah. The snes had some 3d graphics with dkc and starfox but n64 was a major step up
Idk man the loading screens just feel different on ps5
If developers can make a game for PS5 and then lower the framerate to 30fps with graphical reductions (much like a PC port) so it works for PS4 then I'm fine with it. The gap between PS4 and PS5 is comparatively tiny when put next to the jumps from PS1 to PS2 and PS2 to PS3. The real boon for PS5 is things like the SSD and the Dualsense features.
ps4 - 50 to 60 mbps
ps5 - 4-5gbps
the hell are you talking about
ps4 is 2012 below avg gaming pc
@@Ghost-pb4ts but in terms of graphic capabilities PS5 is only 5 or 6 times more powerful than base PS4. But 1080p to 4k is a much higher jump than 720p to 1080p. Ps5 cant do 4k on next gen games and also ssd is not gonna do some magic like Sony promised it's only gonna speed up load times
@@tgdude6379 ps5 will do dynamic 4k 60 with FSR but no ray tracing and lower graphics in tru next gen games
and eventually (3 4 years) fall back to 30fps
SSD is gonna do magic(I'm most excited for that and it's very hard to explain in youtube comment why)
i give you a liitle bit tease...Real-world PHOTOREALISTIC textures scans
but if they use that now then say goodbye to cross-gen gaming
RDNA is also not being used now
added by faster ram and no spatial audio either
@@Ghost-pb4ts just wait for UE5 games to launch! It will kill both gens!
@@andremalerba5281 I can hear pc master race rumbling
We would finally witness the utmost limits of these next gen games graphics, physics, AI behaviour, crowd density.....I can't wait
In 4-5 years when a average xx60 card will three to four time more powerful than current gen at less price
Beauty of pc gaming😎
Current gen will be back to 30fps
Ps- I was soooooop efking angry when thay made re4 remake ps4 compatible
Made my blood boils.. You feel me
Eefck that 2012 below average cheap Black box piece of sihte
Leave it... Let it deiii
Tbh we're at a point where almost anything you want to do in a game can be done on both gens. PS5 does it a little better but PS4 still does it unlike the past where 99% of major PS3 games simply couldn't be done on PS2 and the same for PS2 to PS1
My ps4 can’t run warzone in 4K at 120fps like my ps5 can that’s a big difference to me
@@deander7653 it’s not too major of a difference as we’ve seen in the past though
@@AzraJ once you used to it it’s a big difference
@@deander7653 4k really isn't that big of a jump on games. I once bought a ps4 pro and played it Spider-Man for 5 minutes returned it because the difference wasn't that big
@@zackwoodd4606 well you should buy the correct 4K tv first or maybe eye doctor cause it’s night and day on my 42” lg c2 compared to my 4K regular lg tv
Such an educational episode. Thank you Mystic.
It’s good that people get a chance to play new games on either PS5 or PS4.
I downloaded the demo version of Valkyrie Elysium on my PS4 Pro yesterday, and I could already see it having some lags here and there. Also with Final Fantasy XVI and VII Rebirth being PS5 exclusives, I can see 2023 becoming the year it's gonna start to make sense to get a PS5 not tobe left out of newer releases. But you're correct, a lot of low graphically intense games can afford to release only on PS4 as people can essentially play them through backward compatibility, an example being the new Trails games.
Played Life Is Strange True Colours not a big title but it ran so laggy on the PS4 version and had no video input options on the PS5 it had the option of fidelity or performance mode and had Ray tracing and in performance mode it ran so smooth. I found that so strange how bad it ran on the PS4 almost felt like a PS5 port
The ps5 is so fast returnal ps5 game no loading
Question; when was the demo lagging for you? I played on a *base* PS4 and the only time I was noticing lag was when destroying boxes in specific areas
@@Vexal50 Mostly while running around maps in specific areas as well, with the PS4 in boost mode
@Women should cook And clean unprompted Cool. Didn't ask. Leave irrelevant responses to yourself :^
My short answer to the question: The unavailability and price of the PS5 holds back the growth of its market, specially in Japan with its steep cost. Because the PS4 still has an acceptable graphical appeal (I mean… compare it to the Switch that still sells) there is no hurry to fully embrace the hardware. But, I must say that your analysis is spot on. Very well reviewed and expertly put!👌
we still have the ps4 pro which literally has 4k, ofc its acceptable graphical appeal
PS4 games don’t even sell good anymore. Most of those consoles are in pawn shops are collecting dust
Just like phones Sony will release system software updates to destroy your system slowly so you have no choice but to buy a ps5.
love this guy's content. so informative and unbiased and just extremely fun to watch
Interesting video and analysis. Rather than percentages, the actual number of units is actually a more telling story. In particular the COD’s and FIFA’s as they have a massive install base. Where as games like SIFU would appeal to a smaller section of gamers who are more likely to hunt down a PS5 or SeriesX.
When the larger 3rd party games start dropping last gen or start removing features (eg COD on the PS3/4 era) that will be when move to next gen fully takes over
I think HFW was developed simultaneously for PS5 and PS4. "From the start, we targeted having higher-fidelity characters, high-fidelity environments, higher-fidelity vegetation, everything, just for the PS5...you'll just see different models for the PS4 version". It's an early 2022 quote from Guerilla's technical director. So far it's unclear whether Ragnarok has been developed primarily for PS5.
The character models in hfw on ps5 are soo damn good
Based on what we’ve seen of ragnarok I’d say it looks just like the previous title
Max Payne Remake on PS4 common baby!! *fingers crossed*
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Love the Gen 2 starters in the bottom left-hand corner lol
I'm sticking with PS4 still when PS5 more available, if I have to invest in digital download to play I'll do it but I'm physical disc person
What people fail to realize is normally generations used to be based on a decade , they’ve shorten them already. Prolong this generation and when we do upgrade we will see a massive jump! Bring back 8-10 year generations !!
Honestly as a PS4 user, this is good news for me lol. I have no plans on getting a ps5 (too pricy and unavailable). Plus I already have a PC so I only use the PS4 for exclusives. I'm hoping more exclusives come
I miss the good old days ps2 games I feel like I enjoy those games more then these current games I feel like those were the golden years of gaming
That's because you were not adult. Everything is better when we were not adults
You're not alone, I still play my BC PS3 more than any other console (besides the NSW) for many of the PS2 games that I enjoyed and still finding out more gems that I never got to play before. Those games were more fun, game-play wise and better replay value.
Yeah I came from ps2 and now ps5. I have more games for more ps5 though(including PS4 games) than my ps2. Probably cuz I'm an adult now😅. I did had some really good memories though with my ps2 specially on Rayman raving rabbits and the Simpsons road rage game. I hope someone make a the Simpsons collection one day for these current gen consoles 🤞
The fact that unreal engine 5 is being used in some games already is blowing my mind like the new Tekken 8 I'm pretty sure that has unreal engine 5 and I'm excited to see what possibilities that engine holds still holding out hope for a matrix game I mean I know we just got a tech demo for unreal engine 5 but it would be really cool just to see a matrix game even a remastered matrix game on unreal engine 5
I feel like also compared to other console generation jumps, the quality in hardware on the PS4 and PS5 isn’t THAT huge compared to say PS1 and PS2 to where majority of games can still run good on the PS4, albeit minor graphical diminishes and slower loading times. So having a good chunk of games released on PS5 also on the PS4 for a few years is a nice feature imo
As a ps4 player I can understand the frustration but it makes me happy I can still join in on new titles. Yes it's not as nice or the graphics are not best but that's fine for me. there isnt a huge leap from ps4 to ps5 which is why I still haven't upgraded. Also I am a college student and dont play as much these day. So the ps4 is perfect for me right now.
Great video Ryan , you are a massive inspiration to us smaller content creators 👍👍
I think people who are early adopters of new gen are also people who prefer physical copies of games
I think this would be different if you include digital sales
I thought it was all due to lack of processors & major shipping delays around covid. Even now lots people don’t yet have a ps5. Makes sense to continue ps4 games until the dust settles
The console is also bigger than the Playstation 4 Pro even, as a TH-camr very clearly showed the differences between the consoles dimensions in a video that of I knew it would be importance later to save; I would have done it. Also the Playstation 4 Pro can not even probably fit in most living rooms setups equipped with a very large television screen.
Ps5 is garbage, not appealing enough for most people
It better not go away, that's for sure. I loved PS4 more than my PS5, and they had more and better fun games to play on. Wish they'd relaunch the console again
How is that? The PS5 plays all the Ps4 games and loads faster.
Whos playing a ps4 game on a ps4 when you own a ps5?
@@Crashed131963I turned my Ps4 on the first time in nearly 3 years last week and It's crazy how primitive it feels compared to Ps5.
For them to drop the PS4 now would be a terrible financial decision since the PS5 was released 2 years ago and is still damn near impossible to get a hold of at retail.
I don't have a PS5 but you a good taste in music 😎🎶
Really decent video with fine details and nice flashbacks 💜
We are in a totally different situation to previous transitions. Firstly the whole availability means, as you say, a lot of people still have not moved over to PS5 yet so the PS4 still needs support.
Plus, with there being the PS4 Pro, there is a much smaller difference between PS4 Pro and PS5 than there was between previous generations when it comes to graphics etc. Yes the PS5 has ray tracing etc but if you look at the graphics between a game running on a Pro and on a PS5, the difference is minimal compared to PS1 to PS2, PS2 to PS3 and PS3 to PS4, where there was a much bigger improvement. Also factor in the upgrade option this gen, and anyone still with a PS4 at least knows they will be able to buy games and upgrade later, which was not really a thing before with a few exceptions.
Basically though it all boils down to availability of the PS5. Once there is more units out there in retail stores, the Sony developers will dial back on PS4 versions as they will want to incentivise people to upgrade. Right now it would be a mistake to release the new GOW only on PS5 as a lot of people would miss out and hurt game sales.
Oh and GT6 was a really weird decision on Sony's part. That is the only GT game I have never played as it was actually released after the PS4 came out, so I was no longer buying PS3 games.
Made absolutely zero sense for them to not develop it for the PS4 as a launch title, and we had to wait another four years for an actual GT game for the PS4
I've been of the opinion, which was covered here near the end, that it's the architecture that has kept PS4 releases going. There's really no downside in releasing a lower fidelity version of a game to get it in front of more people who aren't willing to spend on the latest generation right now. It's not like the old days where every new console was a completely different beast, it's all more standardized which I think overall is a good thing for developers.
Love videos like this!
Excellent analysis! I hadn't thought about the interoperability of the SDKs at all. One thing I also assumed is simply public image. It doesn't do your brand any good to immediately start only making games for a console notorious for being unavailable. Despite the fact that sales for PS5 versions are apparently quite strong, your average gamer is still going to be angry if there isn't a PS4 version available.
I'm glad cross Gen is still a thing. Microsoft is doing it way better than Sony by not making us buy another version of the game. Smart Delivery is awesome and Sony needs to learn what exactly "consumer friendly" actually means.
ill wait to the ceo changes and see if its the same.
@@bankgotbeats3359 well, we can only speak of what is happening right now in real time. We can't speak about what may happen if there's another CEO. For the present time, Microsoft has been and is currently. The better brand for consumers.
There is one reason and one reason only why there is more cross gen games now than prevoius gens and that reason is money, particularly after game sales. I'm referring to things like Games As A service, DLC, Microtrasactions, Loot Boxes, Season Passes and Battle Passes. These things are so incredibly common compaired to previous generations and sadly in a lot of cases are basically free money that most Publishers / Developers simply don't want to lose that.
This. Also sunk cost fallacy is working against them. Why would someone that spen 100's on microtransactions, dlc, or game as a service want to lose all of that.
A lot of games don't even need the power of the PS5 yet.
I hope this makes the current gen longer than other gen cycles which I believe we're 6-7 years, because if we get a PS6 in 2026-2027 and current gen only games start coming out in 2023... 3 years worth of current gen games isn't worth getting a PS5/XBOX... Unless of course your PS4 breaks or something.
The ps6 will most likely come out in 2027 if not 2028 because of the pandemic
How would a PS6 even be different from a PS5 at this point? The age of gaming consoles is done. The future is streaming.
@@jeremiahbrewer6115 streaming is the worst thing ever have you seen the staida console 💀 but i mean its true consoles this gen reached a potential that they will never ever have again tbh but streaming is not really the future if you dont have good wifi 5g is a thing for so long now and i still dont see it everywhere i have a friend with a s21 he cant even use 5g and 4g is still weak af so this only leads to streaming games not being the future. When ill have wifi even in the middle of nowhere thats when ill truly belive i can play games trough streaming 😁.
@@jeremiahbrewer6115 ur joking right streaming is aids hell no
@@jeremiahbrewer6115 you're right about that. There's nothing really much they can do far as graphics wise. But people will still say omg it looks so much better, like nigga it's the same thing literally lol. So yeah not much to do with the graphics. But they might focus on something else
I got my Ps5 through sony for retail price. If you haven't gotten one by now you don't really want one.
Well that may be said for mid-model (2nd) ps5 the 3rd model productions (started going in Australia) have combed out the weight and heat dissipation concerns from the last revisions.
Fantastic breakdown Mystic. Really interesting to see the history of exclusives and the comparison between platforms. I did wish there were more ps5 exclusives, but its safe to say this time is different.
ps5 is like a high end pc and ps4 is like a entry level gaming pc.
Games will still come out on both systems.
I do not think PS4 is done yet. Sony is going to need this install base next year and beyond. This generation is going to be different than any other.
They have to extend making games for ps4. You know why. When it had the tech shortage. Sony decided to remake ps4 and sell it back instead of making more ps5. Due to scalpers buying it out overpricing the console to consumers. So majority of the people for Christmas end up buying a ps4 instead. So no matter how old. It should still last. Especally the ps4 pro.
Good video, but I feel like it really underplayed the impact of COVID. Both Sony and Microsoft were gearing up to have massive new console launches right as an unforeseen GLOBAL PANDEMIC affected nearly every industry on the planet. It was unsafe to go to the store and wait in a massive line for a new piece of hardware, both companies had to shut down production of the new consoles, devs moved to remote work in a hurry and were left unprepared. If anything Sony needed cross-gen games to happen just so they could recoup their losses. The More standardized architecture of PS4 and PS5 must have been a godsend in those days
I agree, if a company can’t provide enough it’s for several reasons, the main being to keep the price high because people will pay more if it’s difficult to obtain, the other is manufacturer and supply issues.
I'm so happy I found a ps5 in June during a gamestop restock. It was expensive because all the store had was bundles but it was still cheaper than buying a scalped 1 online.
Very glad about crossgen, I still use my base ps4 from launch and it works wonders. Not getting a ps5 anytime soon as most games still launch on ps4 and ps5s are available in my country but ridiculously expensive (equivalent to 800-900 usd)
Which country ?
I still play on my PS4.
InFAMOUS Second Son, THPS 1+2 and Dreams are the games I play the most on my system.
My guess is 2024 for PlayStation 1st party.
Spider-Man 2 will likely be cross-gen. Sony won’t want leave the PS4 install base behind for that game as it could amount to millions in lost sales.
I hope so
Spider-Man 2 will be ps5 only keep dreaming
I think it has to do with the fact that most people don't wanna buy a PS5 yet or simply just can't buy it, and still have a fully functioning PS4 at their home that can still squeeze out some performance. I think developers will fully switch to next gen once there are enough people who actually have the consoles.
Just like phones Sony will release system software updates to destroy your system slowly so you have no choice but to buy a ps5.
I would predict that 2024 and beyond, there will still be newer titles released on last-gen consoles (PS4, Xbox One) and once triple A companies are pretty much done with games developed on those aging consoles, then it's up to indie companies to release their games as many as they want until Sony / MS / Nintendo decided to close the games' submission for old machines.
The big thing you never talked about in this video is Japanese software sales. Over there PS4 frequently beats PS5 software sales often by crazy 70:30 sales ratio splits. A lot of the games getting ps4 versions announced for 2023/2024 are coming from Japanese companies like Capcom and RGG Studios.
The other big factor you neglected to discuss is the Switch factor. Keep games cross gen makes it easier to port games to Switch, which has a very strong market for game sales especially in Asia.
Whenever Ryan doesn't end a video with "You take it easy", my unrest will build yet another week until the next video tells me to take it easy again.
While it’s understandable why companies are still making cross gen games, I can’t help but after seeing the Tekken 8 reveal trailer on how much different in terms of potential SF6 would be in its graphics had the game been a next generation exclusive game
Street fighter's style of graphics scales way better than Tekken does imo.
It's a different artstyle. Graphics would look the same if it was exclusive to next gen.
@@crunchyblend8809 no
I think it's that the gap between graphical power from the old generation to the next is getting smaller. I can't imagine how would they make a ps1 version of jack and dexter , or a ps2 version of uncharted .
I'll admit every crossgen release we've seen announced annoyed me, but your comments about the similarity of architecture really gave me perspective. I can appreciate that it's a more developer-friendly approach in the early stages of a new gen so that's a win for everyone.
Great analysis, I really enjoyed the video.
Love ur vids❤️❤️❤️
PS2 was still being developed through 2010 or 2012 if I remember correctly... And given the power still to be tapped into on the PS4 pro, I think it will still be a couple years before "last" gen dies.
A little disappointed in the RE4 cross-gen, but knowing CAPCOM's overall strategy in their games it does fit for them. RE4 especially is such a well known game and they would benefit greatly from the cross-gen release really. Wish it was fully next-gen though too.
Yeah it was sad
They won't be able to utilize faster ssd
Rdna2 faster ram
@@Ghost-pb4ts it's a old game being remade. It probably won't need those tech as the game mechanics are basic in a re game
@@sarveshsivakumar6993 dude for devs sky is the limit
And that limit is now ps4
I can give you a rant on how this is a very bad news
But just wait 2-3 years. You will see next gen games and will figure out what we were missing in cross gen games
Ps- ps4 is a 2012 below average pc hardware
@@Ghost-pb4ts Agreed. And the base Xbox One was slightly worse aswell. The last gen definitely needs to be left behind now. We've had almost 2 years of crossgen releases. It's now time to move on
@@mza4739 and I get that people don't have ps5 to play next gen because stock issues
But series x is available everywhere
The success of the PS4 is a boon and a curse. The shear number of PS4 units sold can’t be ignored by game studios. It’s not surprising because that’s where the money is. Even Sony is releasing GOW Ragnorok on PS4.
Also neat for people who own lower end PCs.
Thats a very good point when you said some people are holding off buying the PS4 version of titles theyd like to eventually play on a PS5.
That use to o happen with ps1 and ps2 and ps3 cuz there was a big cap in graphics and performance with those consoles but with ps4 and ps5 the graphics and performance is very close especially the ps4 pro which performance and looks nearly identical to ps5 so i think that is the reason why ps4 and 5 share so many games together
Support for PS4 won't stop until PS5 gets down to about $300-350 (USA) and be readily available. Especially if we see these prices during Black Friday sales. I have never seen so much unavailability and continued steep price of a next gen system for this long of a time.
So basically when PS6 drops? 🤣🤣, and the PS5 is both 399 and 499, u not gon be finding the disc version for 300-350 till the PS6 drops, so if u looking for a PS5 near that price range then u might as well get the digital edition, that's if you're American
I've had PS5 day 1 & I still think they could have released it this year whilst stock piling for past 2 years. Shame both Sony & Microsoft didn't agree on a truce for releasing their consoles despite knowing how bad the chip shortage was. A lot more people wouldn't have to wait as long if the console released today. God of war & Spiderman 2 for a launch console would have been immense.
It’s been rumored that GOW Ragnarok will be the last first party cross Gen game and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s true
The reason its questioned is because you can't actually buy a PS5(at-least here in Australia) without paying more to scalpers than actually building a more powerful pc.
In France too unfortunately
Personally I'm glad to see those unfortunate enough to not have a PS5 yet still getting fantastic games. While I do believe it's holding back current gen, I think keeping your PS4 customer install base happy is far better in the long run
At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Spider Man 2 is a PS4 game. Sony wants every nickel and dime they can get
That would be cool if Sony announced it.
The ps4 will be 10 years old next year😔
I got both PS5 & PS4 and glad ps4 will still be in production
Same
I had no problem with PS4 versions this far on the PS5 cycle
Speak for yourself, I want to get my moneys worth for my ps5 but can’t because everything’s held back graphics wise…
@@khroxas A PC player complaining about being held back by console gamers?😁you can't be serious hahahaa. 100 FPS+, mods, 4K and much more not enough? oh boy 😁
I managed to get a PS5 each for me and my wife at launch here in the UK, I suspected the pre-orders would go live early and I was right. They are in stock most days a week on PS Direct and Game UK now though. Waiting for the slim now before getting another.
Something I find crazy is how convinced people are we’re getting a Pro when we still have very few exclusive PS5/XSX games and not to mention the price increase in most regions meaning it would have to cost at least 600, if not probably more.
I think we’ll see one eventually maybe but not until at least 2025 I think, if I’m wrong, I’m wrong but yeah.
And it’s the same thing with Switch2. That thing isn’t coming until 2027 at least.
I feel like we'll see a Slim before a Pro.
@@DP12321 PS5 is already slim enough
@@yusufffff Nah that sumo wrestler system needs to go on a diet 😅
@@DP12321 they can already shrink the ps5 looking at the new version that is released . I would only suspect it hasn’t happened yet due to investment in plates and shape of it . I’m sure it will come eventually knowing how much less motherboard is in there .
Facts good video as ways
The sales ratios at around 7:00 are surprisingly helpful. Nice research bro!!! I just assumed ps4 copies were still outselling ps5 copies but I was dead wrong!
After how hard it’s become to get a PS5, I’ll stick to my PlayStation 3
I like PS4 but I hope there are some PS5 exclusive games simply because so much more can be done with it. If you can make gow Ragnarok and The last of us 2 run on a base PS4 from 2014 you can do much more on ps5
And then there's dualsense
I'd prefer it to stay around. I can't find a PS5 and I'd like to keep playing games.
It's Starting I'm having difficult finding a Brandnew PS4 Controller to be able to pair it to my Gaming Retro Game Tablet.
Availability huge is a problem in some countries..like here where I live some stores haven't had a stock of a PS5 console since launch but scalpers have always had it but selling it for 663 dollars..
My question is why do people think cross gen is a bad thing? I usually wait until next gen consoles get cheaper before I buy them, and I still like to play new games on my PS4 until then
Yeah I am with you on this one, I think when people drop a 500$ on a newer product they expect special treatment
For smaller games I'll usually buy PS4 version but when it comes to AAA I don't even consider getting them on previous gen 👍🏻
curious, why ps4 for smaller games
@@thecarrots5 As usualy they don't really benefit from current gen power so I would rather have version that will run on both consoles i.e. TMNT Collection or some "indie" titles.
@@panq1886 they do, better resolutions, more fps faster loadtimes lOOl
@@panq1886 fair
@@Ehrle6969 Loading times yes but not every game gets fps boost. What I really meant was small or indie games, kind of "NeoRetro" style i.e. all previous Housemarque titles before Returnal.
That FIFA ‘22 PS5-boxart is hysterical 😂
It's so stupid, the ps5 in my country is almost 1000 euros 889 to be exact while the PS4 retails new or used at around 250-300 a insane jump and a lot of PS4's are being sold avidly